HOW TO PICK: THE RIGHT JUNKYARD 6.0L LS CAM. 4 CAMS-WHAT WORKS BEST?
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- Опубліковано 10 бер 2020
- WHAT IS TH EBEST CAM FOR MY JUNKYARD 6.0L? FULL RESULTS. HOW TO PICK THE RIGHT CAM. JUNKYARD LS CAM SELECTION. WHAT WORKS BEST? I TEST FOUR DIFFERENT LS CAMS-YOU DECIDE WHICH POWER CURVE YOU WANT. FACTORY CAM VS LS3 VS SLOPPY STAGE 2 VS BIG COMP CAM. HOW MUCH BETTER IS THE POPUALR SLOPPY STAGE 2 THAN THE FACTORY CAMS? DOES THE BIG(GER) COMP CAM TRADE TOP-END HORSEPOWER FOR LOW-SPEED TORQUE? IF YOU ARE TRYING TO DECIDE ON A 6.0L CAM, CHECK OUT THESE RESULTS. IT'S ALL HERE!
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You're the freakin man! Nobody does dyno videos for the 6.0!
+1
Many 6.0's in Aus sedans.
Really? I think the 6.0 is one of the most popular swaps; it’s why they cost so much more than a 5.3 in the junkyard. Power wise you can really make similar numbers between a 5.3 and a 6.0, yet people still wanna jump all over the 6L more than anything else. I always go for the 5.3 and if I’m spending heavy on a build I skip the 6L all together and grab up a 6.2-poor mans LS3 for a similar price as the 6.0. In my area you pay 700-800 for a 6.0 longblock, but you can get a 6.2 Rec port longblock around here for 1000ish maybe 1200 if it’s a low mile pull out.
That is of course IF the local yard has any vehicles with either a 6.0 or a 6.2 in it, because usually they do not. They do indeed come in, but when they do the wrecking yard workers call their buddies and whatnot and they get first dibs on all the good motors, low mile 80E transmissions, etc all for the cheap. And it’s easier for them to pull the stuff even because they work there-they have all the time and tools to do it right versus guys like me that have to go there with their tool bag and a 90 year old rusty engine crane the scrap yard lets you use to yank your motor out while laying in the rocks/sand and you better be done by 4:55 because they’re locking that gate in 5 minutes regardless!
@@kennethpowers8995 as far as I know, resellers get their hands on all of them that they can before they make it to the general public
@@kennethpowers8995 5.3.... Huh?
I like this guy. I'm a genuine asshole most of the time, I'm kinda grouchy or short fused when it comes to allot of people and their bullshit but I like watching him do these dyno tests and things and not dragging through the videos. Allot of good knowledge and no nonsense. The other thing I like is you don't leave things out, it literally pertains to someone that can only afford junk yard parts or swapping what's laying or an Amazon or eBay turbo kit for a few hundred or someone who can throw on two 98 millimeter turbos and a with nitrous and a bullet proof engine to take it all. Great job and a very likeable person.
All the info you give out is really informative and good! You and Matt are giving out free info that actually is useful
I remember when I was cam shopping a year ago I was looking for this kind of video so I could get a reference. This video is honestly great. Just want to say thank you for taking the time do the test 4 different times.
Keep up the great work Richard. This helps us gearheads out TREMENDOUSLY!
your videos has taught me so much more about LS engines
Excellent video Richard. Thanks for the in depth view of doing these cam comparisons. I know that it probably took a little time to do. Some of us out here really appreciate it!
This video is exactly what i looked for. Couldnt have found a better and straight to the point video
Love the tests Richard and the timing they come online. Gives me something good to watch/listen on my way into work. Can you do more tests involving nitrous and more aggressive set ups. Thank you!
There’s a reason why the ss2/Elgin cam has become so popular. It just works.
And works. Phenomenally.
This video really shows that as a result lol
8SecSleeper did you even watch the video?
8SecSleeper lol, not according to the dyno chart 😂
8SecSleeper they should change your name to 8SecMemory, since you clearly can’t remember what the video showed us.
Dude! I am so happy you did this comparison. I always wanted to know how the sloppy stage 2 held up against other big name cam shafts. If the trick flow specialty track max cam held up to their trifecta claim of more torque, more horsepower and no loss of power down low. And if the track max cam and the sloppy stage 2, were one and the same. I got all my question answered in one video! Kudos to you.
Yes! Some love for the stock 6.0s. Thank you!
Love your videos Richard. This one especially answered some questions I had in mind. Thank you for putting in the work.
That sloppy cam is the terminator of daily driven truck cams. Thanks sloppy 🤘
I went and bought the trick flow cam after your video, truly the best bang for the buck. Good stuff man
Awesome information! I like the comparison to the four different cams. the last bit about the intake duration being comparable to any cams with similar specs!! Great Data!!! Thank You!!
My takeaway is the sloppy stage 2 is the kind of cam profile you want for a low to mild $ build.
Seems like the ideal cam for 75% of people who aren't trying to rev the piss out of their motor. Even makes fat low end torque. Win!
Does a stage 2 cam lump
@@johnchristian6025 Yeah! Stage I isn't very noticeable, but II is pretty strong lope. Stage III or higher is so lopey you'll see the rpm needle bouncing lol
The Stage 2 would be so much fun with a 3000-3500 stall and a trans brake, and still remain super drivable.
@@johnchristian6025 Does it matter? It would run great and serve well as a street/strip cam you could actually enjoy 24/7.
Nice! I watched for the cams and learned about Intake manifolds.
I got to say I really love your videos. They are very clear A/B testing. What I would like to see is a cam test where the lift was the same but the duration was different.
I wish I had your seemingly endless knowledge of LS motors. I learn so much about what I wanna do to mine everytime I watch your video's. Funny thing, i had just decided that I wanted to do a cam swap in my 6.0, didn't know how aggressive of a cam I wanted, and just like that, you post a video about the effect of different cams on a 6.0!! You rock man, I hope you keep makin these video's for a long time
Yeah dude. Sure. So you're telling me that I'm a certified LS master now because i watched some videos. I like that. Really positive outlook. Except, not really, because watching some videos isn't as good as real world experience, so no, not until I've done these things, will i have truly gained the level of this man's knowledge. Good outlook though, i respect that.
The squirrels are getting upset with your vids Richard!... your giving away all their secrets!
Still blowing my mind with these test, literally testing my setup 🤟😝🔥 475 at the Crank baby! I always thought the truck intake was more torque vs car more HP. Love all these analytics, now I just need a good cam upgrade to hold me over until I build my turbo kit
Hi Richard. Great test. Looks like the more camshaft the more power at the top end. Great job 👍✅
Thanks Richard, great video😊 would like to see some more NA ideas to make more power for those of us that wanna go all motor builds 😁 thanks again keep up the awesome videos 👍
Lol this man is killing youtube. 😁😁😁 Love it.
Thank Christ!!! UA-cam needs to die!!
Commenting to help the UA-cam algorithm. Great video as always Richard!
appreciated
I've been looking at the Texas speed 228r myself for my 99Z28. Love the videos Richard.
Keep the videos coming, look forward to watching them before work
Big help on me choosing a cam, thanks Richard
That sloppy stage 2 would be sooooo much fun for a simple N/A street/occasional strip deal. Nice.
My cam for my build is a lil bigger than the comp. and I plan on revving it out to 8500. Great vid. Always love the knowledge. Thanks for sharing.
Dude you continuously put out great content thanks for your good work sir!!
I was just thinking “ Man I have cathedral ports” as you clarified. thank you
Great cam comparison, really enjoyed it. That sloppy stage 2 was my favorite cam, perfect for both street and strip.
Is there a part number for the sloppy stage 2?
Yep
Where can I get the sloppy stage 2
@@alanherrera8460 Brian Tooly Racing website.
Which typically stall speed you think you 32k-34k?
Thanks for explaining what an LY6 is for me. I’m stuck in the 90’s👍
Thanks for this video! Once again RH delivers high quality info.
Zeroing in on the "no downside" 230-230 duration cam It would be intresting to see where a series of LCA would take us. Especially 108 and 104. Above the 112 LCA has been tested many times.
This is my favourite cam for the LS. Have I've tried it on 111 lsa before and it was awesome. Made 300rwkw om a very rich tune.
How did you go with 112?
Awesome info again! You don’t mention intake CL or cam advance, but most are installed at +4. So if the SS2 cam intake CL is 108 (LSA 112 less 4), that makes Intake Closing at 42 ABDC, at 0.050 tappet lift. Comparing to the Comp cam, installed at 109 it has IC at 44.5. Both cams have some overlap which fills in the mid range on the torque curve much better than the massive negative overlap, or wide LSA, of the LS3 cam. This is the info you need to pick a cam for street or strip. This channel continues to amaze!
I think videos like this for reference are great! I think they will help a lot of people.
I spent a lot of time trying to find other people's test when i was trying to decide on a cam for my 489bbc. There is lots of "600hp builds" out there but, It was hard to find the mild street buils, especially with the peanut port heads. There's lots of conflicting info about them too. It would be nice to know for sure if a nice street motor can be built with peanut port heads.
But, I just found the other day, a 454 test with a gen 6 block and peanut port heads you did, so that was helpful. The only question left is what does an intake and cam upgrade do for a peanut port head engine.
The few dyno test i did see with the old 454s show about a 100hp difference between the factory claimed (net)hp and what you and others have shown with a engine on the dyno. Is the exhaust manifold, factory cast intake manifold, and accessories worth that much?
A test showing how big a cam the peanut port heads can handle would be nice too😉.
Thanks a lot, Keep the videos coming.
between you, sloppy, metigulous, hoonigan, cleetus, i really don't need tv. period! i love all your info and it all seems like the stars are aligning! ha! love it keep doin what we all want to do and at least be a part of! giving hope to the gearhead masses!!!
This channel is great. I can sit here and get the facts of performance and not just listen to these goof balls at car meets. Currently building a 6.0 to replace the 5.3 in my s10 mated to a t56. With your advice I am going to find some week points in the drive line but that is hot rodding. Keep making videos and I will keep watching.
"If they're about this, they're gunna do about that." lol quote of the day.
People still won’t listen, they need to see their exact favorite grind from their favorite manufacturer.
After all, just read the marketing points, they’ve got the secret voodoo sauce woo wooo to out perform all competitors AND a UA-camr usually them!
@@Turbochargedtwelve watch half a dozen of Richards cam videos and it is pretty hard to deny they are much of a muchness. Yes there are small gains here and there, but I have yet to see any magic bullet camshafts. Some are more equal than others, but there is definitely no special sauce.
@@DodgyBrothersEngineering Xbox be v Z cm
Pretty sure you just sold me on a Sloppy stage 2 for my 6.0 tow rig. It’s the only cam that didn’t lose power down low and still has some nice mid to high rpm gains. Thanks for doing these tests!
Im thinking the same thing for my 2500hd but it still looks like it needs converter thoe
@@jeffpriest4017 I actually did some more research after this, and found that the Brian Tooley Racing torque cam is actually the best bet for no converter and low end torque, but that small part of me wants some audible idle chop, so I settled on the Summit Racing 8719 stage 1 high-lift cam. I’ve heard a few 6.0’s on UA-cam here and it can be tuned for an audible idle chop, yet still picks up good low to mid range torque. No converter required per Summit.
Well i maybe disappointed but im stuffing the ss2 in lq4 with 706 heads and long tubes with flex injectors in my o3 2005hd 2wd
@@jeffpriest4017 You’re doing a converter then? I’m sure you’ll still be happy with the cam. All depends on your application too. My truck is mainly used for towing and hauling which is why I’m going with the lower end torque cam. If it was a street truck then I’d go SS2
@@TonyTheTruckGuy - Well, how do you like it? Did you dyno it?
We learn a lot from all your tests thanks
Great video! Love camshaft vids. Learning something new every time.
I've been considering the BTR stage 2 truck cam for my My 2001 6.0 LQ4 swapped Cherokee, but I like that Sloppy Stage 2 also. The fact it doesn't lose any torque down low means what little bit of low speed 4WD crawling I do in Utah prob won't be affected. Having more power on the street, and especially traveling over the Rockies is a plus.
Stage 3 low lift truck cam. Lq9 in an 81 malibu, thing made hilarious torque. Car was a tire destroyer
Running the stage 3 low lift truck cam in a LQ4, makes so much torque the trans keeps blowing and the frame will twist. (2000 Silverado ext cab 6.0 swapped)
Great test! Would be good to test different cams with the effect of 1.8 rockers.
Thanks for the tip on the rec port truck intake over ls3. Truck intake is basically free.
Great help for me, thanks Richard!
I want to see a big cam dyno tested with Rhoads lifters. Have had them in a couple of small blocks and they really help broaden the power curve by restoring low rpm cylinder pressure.
As always great video can we do this with a 6.0 turbo set up
Thanks for doing this vid. The comparison seriously helps.
Have been waiting for you to make this video.
I think I have seen someone else mention this but you should do a video cam timing
This is VERY HELPFUL and informative.
Thank you for the detailed info. I request more 302 & 351 testing for the Ford guys
good stuff SIr Richard , Thanks For All The info
Hi Richard, great info as always. For guys like me who haven't installed a cam, do you think you could do a video on how to do it? Have to mess with springs or anything? Guessing need to remove pushrods? Thanks.
Google an U-tube at yr disposal there's already ALOT of cam swap vids about an that many that there's one for just about every make model etc. As u get into them vids, it'll show u it's easier then initially thought. Good luck.
Thanks Richard! I am definitely on the edge of buying a BTR stage 2 or SS2 cam thanks to your videos!
Joel Stevens best bet is to get whatever one is the cheapest. Usually the summit stage 2 turbo cam is the cheapest of the 3. Unless there is an eBay sale going on for the ss2
@@mcfero1 thanks for the reply I was just looking yesterday on Summits website and it seemed that the summit stage 2 cam has much less duration than the TFS SS2 cam so I don't think that they're apples-to-apples I'll look again
@@mcfero1 thanks for the advice. The summit trk stage 2 kit comes with gaskets and crank bolt as well. Good deal
I did the Sloppy Stage 2 with .035 off the factory lq4 heads, tops of the exhaust ports and minor blend of the bowls on both sides, When I did the SS2 I ordered a regrind small base circle, which saved me from buying new pushrods. I did go for the pac springs but I had no plans to rev it out beyond 6k. The results? It made 455 ft lbs through a 4l80e and a d44 jeep lj. VERY pleased and glad I saw this video in advance.
Awesome video! Thanks for taking the time to make it.
"What cam do I use?"
The *bigg* one.
😂😂
The tried and true Sloppy Stage 2 also works very well with nitrous in a 6.0.
Anything works well with nitrous
Richard thank you very much.. you got a fan for life
Great video, would love to see a comparison between the 430/480/520 LS3 cams
Can you do a SS2 cam V a Brian T. Torque cam on a 5.3. then supercharger
Great Test & Breakdown Of These Cams! SS2 Is My Choice For Street/Strip, Drift, Road Race Build, And I Would Choose The Bigger Comp Cam For A Drag Car. Before The "Sloppy Tax" Kicked In, The Elgin 1840P/SS2 Could Be Purchased For $200 With Free Shipping.
Occasionally jegs will list it on sale for $215. That's how I got mine.
Global Media Inc. where can I purchase this cam?
Tommy Presson what part number did you use? I tried the Elgin 1840-P number and Jegs don’t recognize it.
@@gtmotorsports937 it's jegs part number 200582 I think. Just Google "jegs sloppy stage 2" and it comes up. Confirm cam specs against E1840P
@@gtmotorsports937 Ebay, Summit & Jeg's, And Get The Pac1218 Valve Springs To Match.
Love the video Mr. Holdner! Thanks for the info!
Great comparison Richard, thanks!
Great info here. Looks like GM did a pretty not so bad job at developing the truck cams. For a daily that rarely sees 4K plus, the stock cam is good enough. For the weekend warrior, the SS2 is about as good as it gets.
Kind of feeling the curve of the SS2. I'm not running over 5.5k and with my gears low end power is what I need.
I've been running it in my turbo 6.0 for three years. Impossible to justify anything else given the cost
Ice cream and burnouts cam
Chip Currey sbe 6.0 ? Did you gap any rings or just send it haha ?
I just discovered your channel and love it - also shared your videos.
I have a 1999 LQ4 going to boost it and run it on E85 also keeping the stock cam, I already picked up replacement aluminum 317 heads,
1-What should i open up the piston ring gap to?
2-Which valve springs/retainers should i use?
3-What size fuel injectors?
4-What are must do's to junk yard engines before dropping them in?
thanks for your help
been waiting for this one ! Thanks !
Thank you
What about stock vs ss2 below 3k rpm.. daily driver truck that occasionally pulls a small/light trailer
So, my take-away, Matt Happel knows his shizzle. Other than my engine is an LS2 (rather than iron) it matches this test config, these results tell me I got the right cam. Just add BOOST.
Thanks Rich, gotta go for the stg 2 cam, makes sense now. Prob good for bracket racing and more reliable, easy on all the other parts.
Great test Richard. Love your videos
Great video Richard! quick question - did you run stock valve springs or have they been upgraded?
upgraded
Too what springs? Double ect...
Hi Richard! thank you for the testing, I was wondering what valve springs you would recommend for the SS2 cam. In a truck application with towing in mind ? PAC 1218?
I second this question!
Best explanation ever, subscribed!! And thanks
You're the man, keep the vids coming!
If you're going to do another cam test, let's do an all summit truck cam test! Cheap and that's what daily drivers are going to be using, something you don't have to change the converter with and won't loose torque.
Richard, you are saving hours of searching. This is SS2 cam test I’m waiting for. It will be nice to test Summit 8706 cam in same stoke combination. Is it more different to SS2 cam? Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
We need summit cam info
Nice video. I was wondering besides messing with the converter could you put in 4.10 gears from 3.40 3.55 gears and the cam would come on sooner? Although optimally converter and deeper gears with heavy vehicles really is the way to go. :)). So informative, thank you Sir. I am subscribed!!
Wow. Extremely good work. Better than NASA. 😷
Hey Richard,
Can you test the TX Speed truck cams in their a High Lift versions?
How about discussing head flow efficiency for selecting a camshaft?
Offset vs equal duration and whatnot.
that has long been a comparison-flow at lift vs cam lift-I haven't seen that work as well as I would like
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Very Informative, If all tuners had yr passion an desire to do the best U can do, Then we'd all have smiles. SS2 have too say is a winner.
I'd love to see one of these with a springs selection in there as well- Ultimate combo style, stock block and heads
How about sound clips of the different cams? Thanks Richard
Can you do the intake test like you did for hotrod magazine article so we can see the results on a video
I'm thinking about it
Richard thank you for the awesome info! I would love to see 2 test. Na cammed 6.0 or 6.2 LS on 91vs E85. And if you do a another intake test a Rick Crawford style modified LS3 intake with ported stock TB vs a fast 92 or 102. Both Na and Boosted. Some concern if the RC modified LS3 intake can stand up to a boosted application without failing. Thanks again really enjoy your videos!
Hey great comparison man, love the looks of that sloppy stage 2.
I'm running a 54_471_11 cam in my 6.0 with ls3 heads and I have ls2 flat top pistons
Richard could you pull up specifically an overlay of the ss2 and btr stage 2 truck cam vs stock On the 6.0s? I've watched all the videos but an actual visual of those two dyno graphs would be great. first time building/swapping an lq4 into my 85 gmc 4x4 and I've pretty much narrowed it down to one of the two grinds.
the stage 2 truck cam makes less than the SS2 from 4000 rpm on up. The Truck cam makes more lower speed down near 2500 rpm.
Thanks for the reply, prob best to stick with the btr then lol,
@@richardholdener1727 How would the SS2 compare to the BTR stage 2 turbo cam (not truck) Thanks Richard, loving the vids
Great video buddy keep them coming
Thanks Richard! Another awesome video
I’m running the Sloppy Stage 3 (Elgin grind from Trickflow)in a LQ4 6.0 , AR5 trans in a 70 Chevelle with too much gear ,4:11’s until I can afford to swap in 3:08’s , anyhow , sounds like I should have a nice 500hp streeter ! Love the videos !
I use the stage 2 in my 4.8 with a GT45 clone works awsom been 9s in a 3200 pound truck
it works if you rev it on a 4.8L
What truck you have thats 3200??
How much boost
@@awebke man read my fucking mind ...my 94 stang with me in it is gutter minus ac tubular k member weighs 3300 with me in it.
Richard I am currently going clean sheet crazy on my best mates vx ss Commodore . His LS1 was factory equipped with utterly useless oil control grooves in the 3rd ring groove as well as the rubbish design work within the baffles of the rocker covers .my mate has permitted me to reverse the piston orientation , because of the generous gudgeon pin offset , my favorites Henry is the same M code that you also seem to be rather passionate about , all the henries that I've built have all had their pistons reversed . It would appear that when I had the old rubbish design slugs sealed for the new ones , I did ask Ross from Browne engineering could he check if the Ls has any gudgeon offset , and considering he is in his 70's , he looked like I did when I was 19 , and discovered that piston reversal will yield strong increases in cylinder pressures. The old guy told me excitedly that there is heaps of offset on LS pistons. My cam grinder said we will be using all of the cam profile that I designed in the early 1990's , Ivan Tighe cam catalogue includes my Cleveland solid #764 , intake dur 261°@ 50"' exh dur 256° @50"' or intake 292 ° @ 5"' , exh 298 ° @ 5"', intake op 44° btdc close @ 68° and , exh op 83° bbdc close @35° atdc , lift @ rocker tip is intake lift @ 614"'. , Exh peak valve lift @ rocker tip 622"' . I absolutely worship my cam could you please try my big bam cam in a 351 Cleveland with the Aussie quench chamber small valve heads . Full size 4 Venturi valves do not clear the valves during overlap phase . the closing exhaust valve gets caught by the rapidly opening intake valve , which then drags the exhaust valve open again.
I've got a 79 chevy g20 I'm dying to ls swap and your videos make me want to do it even more