Why I don't draw men
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As someone who draws, I don't care which gender you draw. As an artist, whatever you draw is art. You decide what you draw. It's YOUR art.
Well SAIDD
That’s a lie, you do care because that’s why you are here
@@theonetrueman666do you care?
You’re right, but what we wanted from this video is to analyze that, not to criticize it. I think we all should accept it’s his art, and he can draw whatever he wants.
Yess for me personally I just love to draw male, females, heck even some diverse characters mix together to make it of my OWN ART
Also I love how he chose to paint Hobie for this, cause Hobie and the spider verse animated movie series in general did a great job at depicting a more liberating view point for atractivo men. Hobie is just so beautiful.
I feel like it's also apropros because Hobie spent the movie saying what he was against while still participating in it. Lol.
Yes because the most thirsted character of the year; hyper masculine Miguel O’Hara, wasn’t a thing
Totally. This character choice (conscious or unconsciously) was probably recognition of his inner conflicts. Maybe Hobie is the kind of man he wish he was, but doesn't realize it. Only
@@incoglidowe all wish we were hobie
Interesting. As a female artist who mostly draws men, I find your perspective on this to be very valid and interesting. And yes, I have been inspired by KPop to draw men the way I do. Till date, I hear some of my friends ask “Is that a woman” when I draw a man with long hair and long eyelashes. It’s this stereotype around men and women in general that is a big hurdle to be crossed. Honestly, I’m grateful that as an artist I have the freedom to express the way I draw both genders from my perspective. No wonder I agree with Hobie a lot - I ain’t good with consistencies 😂
Thank you for expressing yourself in such an authentic way, Josh. You’re doing an amazing job. Keep going ❤
I also have been drawing men and I blame sports anime for making me draw beefy dudes lmao. Usually you draw whatever influences you or what you’re currently obsessed with.
I have a question, how is your audience supposed to know if the people you draw are men when you draw them androgynous ? Kinda like how they are draw Loki right now in marvel comics, the guy has a womans face, and simply equating people reaction to it as "your just old fashioned" is kinda frustrating.
@@Company_N well as far as I know Loki is a shape shifter, so they can be a bunch of different stuff including male, female and a horse. though I am not really too knowledgeable about Marvel lore, but in Norse lore the horse even gave birth...which... I wouldn't call that a new development. Norse lore has been around for a few centuries I guess. you must be very old if you call yourself old-fashioned in comparison to Norse mythology. ^^
First: is it really always important for the audience to know the gender of the character as long as the image communicates what it's supposed to communicate and serves the purpose it was supposed to serve.
Second: the people who are in the target group (i.e. for example shoujo anime and BL fans or K-pop fans) know what to look for. they are more used to the art style.
just like people see a stick figure with a "skirt" and immediately assume the stick figure is a woman, even though it doesn't look like a real-life person and doesn't show any anatomical correctness. just because we learned the "art style" of stick figures and how different attributes can mean a different demographic.
While some parts might be depicted more androgynous other stuff (like the adam's apple, broader, bigger hands and feet, broader shoulders and less narrow rib cage, narrow waist, small butt) might be even exaggerated depending on the style. once you know the style and what to pay attention to, I suppose it's not that hard to differentiate unless the artist actually wants to depict a non-binary person.
@@Company_N And what is wrong with being androgynous? People, mostly men, where praised and treated a lot better for being androgynous. Second, last I checked, men have eye lashes and I have known men to have long eye lashes. Having long eye lashes is not something only women have , to which most women don't even have long eye lashes to begin. Same with long hair. Men throughout different cultures and history had long hair. It was a status of being wealthy. And even told lots of men have long hair. Lots of mental bands and rock bands the men have long hair. If those 2 things make you confused and you can't tell what *sex a person is, that is on you. And again, who cares if you don't know if the character or person is supposed to be male or female. Why does that matter so much to know when you see a drawing?
Also, using Loki as an "example". Okay. Tell me you know nothing about norse mythology without telling me you know nothing about norse mythology. Of all the characters, you choose a known shapeshift trickster who enjoys doing random weird crap to through people off and get a reaction from them. You do know, that Loki turned into a female horse so he could have s*x with a male horse that caught his fancy and got pregant. Real mythology across the world, is crazy and wild. It gets watered down for people like you who are so sensitive to anything outside the "gender norms".
The male expression thing seriously needs to change. Let the dudes wear nice things, for god's sake! I went to see Barbie, and half the males in the room were exited to wear pink stuff. Looked great on most of them, too.
As an blackman who was Goth in my youth, an artist, loves Rock and Metal, the color pink and so on, I so appreciate this video.~
Cheers m8!
What is a goth
@@vorrdegard2176gothic
@@vorrdegard2176It's a sub culture based around dark spooky things that came from gothic rock which inspired my gothic literature
I'm baby bat hi 😘
acceptable. i draw mostly men. I avoid drawing women since I'm having a hard time on drawing their female features unlike with men that i have expertise with. It's just preference.
Lately I’ve been confused and frustrated by some online people calling certain men “queer baiters” for wearing things not stereotypical to their gender, yet i don’t really see that for women? Maybe some of those men are doing more to “bait” than just clothing, but in terms of JUST clothing alone, i think it’s so ridiculous that “both” sides play into gender stereotypes in such weird ways. Men wearing tight short shorts used to be such a popular thing in the 80s by everyone, and now it’s either seen as queer by one side or HORRIBLE and emasculating by the other lol? As a straight female growing up in the late 90s, we were just called tomboys for wearing boys clothes. Generally I agree that women can really get away with wearing anything from experience. No doubt for some people it’s deeper than just clothes and I don’t want to dismiss real gender dysphoria, but for me and many people it’s just…clothes and hobbies we enjoy and don’t want to be seen in ways that have to have some deep or personal reason behind it.
I think, societal expectation and general view on masculinity and femininity definitely play a part in this. Yes, women has fought for many years to achieve a more equal place in the patriarchial society, but to actually gain the same respect and positions, they still are expected to take on some traditionally masculine traits or else they're likely to perceived as "weaker". The general population still, in some ways, believe that masculinity is something superior or more important than femininity. So imagine what the public would think when men or AMAB people want to express their femininity. They're often told that either they're: #1.Ãctually queer or queerbaiting , #2.Have a kink/fetish, #3. Mentally unstable.
There is too much politicizing in art. We have groups that we need to this or do that. That is too stifling and is a kind control/censorship in art. That is a bad thing in the long run.
There are expectations that society has set, with very good reason and must not be dismissed easily, but that doesn't mean it should dictate the creative individual.
Sad thing we see in the Film industry is going. That's why Hollywood is now in a creative bankruptcy.
@@lillientruong6350Seriously now.
ive seen some women called queer baiters once because they draw or act too friendly towards women which for some ppl implies a (sexual)relationship even if its actually jsut a close friendship
I think it’s important to look at art history for a second: more specifically, how artists have criticized societal standards since forever. We’ve made comments on society, government, politics, etc. We’ve seen beauty captured in men by the Greek and Roman sculptures (and later when Da Vinci made a “too attractive” Lucifer statue and then his brother made an even more attractive one😂) and we’ve also seen more masculine women (think of propaganda from WW1 and WW2). Art is all about human expression so whichever gender/sex you use to express what you think or feel doesn’t really matter, most people won’t get the point anyway.
I personally like to use men when it comes to the softer more “feminine” emotions and situations and women for tougher “masculine” emotions. I like giving women a “masculine” rage and drawing men hugging each other and loving each other since it’s not “proper” in our society (which is really jank to me cuz like??? Everyone is gonna cry sometimes? Everyone is gonna get mad and want to destroy the world??). I also like conveying the stuff that should be behind closed doors for each gender 🤷♀️
That makes sense. Sincerely, a Lesbian.
Love that you probably just saw the title and commented this
😂
@@ninisky2706I literally watched the whole thing. You’re just making an assumption 👋🏻
@@ViciousAmbitious911 I think they're making a lighthearted joke
You are so fr for this. Sincerely, too a lesbian.
As a straight man who draws both men and women, I usually like to add heavy fantasy traits like crazy outfits or even some body horror elements to make the gender irrelevant in my pieces. That gives me so much freedom - to just be able to make any gender look cool and extremely pleasing to look at by adding more detail where it is 'missing'.
as a sensitive man that does art and is devoted to it. this video spoke to me on so many levels and i needed it. thank you bro
My pleasure! (please read that in a bri'ish accent)
harima is a very good example of who you really want to be/what society expects you to be
“Dude you out here drawing all these bitches but you ain’t fuckin any of em?”
As a black male artist who grew up in a predominantly black area. I can confirm. This is exactly how it is lol.
I draw women because it’s just more appealing to me. I’ve learned not to neglect my responsibilities and also learn the human anatomy, but I choose to draw women. Besides, me personally, I don’t work in the industry. Art is a hobby for me. I should be able to draw whatever I want 🤷🏽♂️also,
I think this gave me inspiration for a video of my own 🤔
That first sentence cracked me up😂
Word of advice; If their not paying your bills, making love to you, related by blood or by your own choice, who cares what they think of you or what you do.
As someone that's aroace and primarily draws men, I get it.
5:40 yoo actually I feel like that's the reason I gravitate towards men in my drawings and writing. It's like there are more possibilities cuz nobody ever does them.
This. I draw both men and women, but I consider myself a "men enthusiast" because "my men" doesn't follow our real-life standards, and it feels pretty comforting seeing a man dressing whatever he likes, moving whatever he likes, etc.
Hobie was the perfect guy to chose for this drawing.
Ikr? Drawing came first, then the video idea for the record.
Thank you so much for calling out the black community's extensive homophobia, like its BAD depending where you live and it sucks when you feel like you have to be careful the MOST around your own race.
I lol'ed at "you drawing these bltches but u not screwin' them". 😂 What a thing to say.
Eh, I'm going to push back on that a bit. Considering how much the queer community has appropriated from black women _who have been very accepting and welcoming of them into black spaces,_ perhaps you mean MEN in the black community.
Also, on that note, I have to wonder if the historical (and sometimes current) trauma perpetrated onto black male bodies in particular since being dragged unwillingly onto this continent has resulted in a heightened, almost phobic reaction nonheteronormative expressions.
You may disagree, but I found some of the concepts in literature like _The Delectable Negro_ and first-hand accounts from formerly enslaved people detailing the psychological warfare whites in the south would wage upon black males to achieve emasculation (colloquially, "Buck Breaking") via feminizing their appearance (forcing boys and men to wear skirts, or one-piece garments that resembled a nightgown similar to Geppetto in Disney's _Pinocchio,_ for most of the year, as example) worthy explanations for the visceral reactions still normalized today in our community when it comes to regarding the queer community.
I think the term "homophobia" is mostly misused in common vernacular, but in the case of the black community in The West, is an apt descriptor for segments of our group who've carried on generations of psychological trauma, as well as those brainwashed by the Western Church of Christianity's indoctrination.
When you started with "I wont be nice, I wont be politically correct" I got scared, that some big redpill bomb will explode here, but the overall message turned out to be impossibly based! Also your art is amazing, especially color palettes you choose for your renders!
i like men
That's cool
HELP
@@cr33pystalker we like d1ks
@@samjeremy7028we eat thOse
Literally me fr fr
I've wondered about this for a very long time, in my work and other artists' work . And everything you're saying is so valid. Thank you for not holding anything back
as someone who draws mainly men because he feel like he cant express himself in real life, all that you've just said hits incredibly close to home. You explained it so well! Keep doing what you're doing dude, you're an inspiration, truly
This was a very different video compared to what I've seen before, but nonetheless I felt this conversation was very authentic! You're certainly right about people working hard to invalidate themselves. Something that helped me massively was letting go of perfectionism and instead embracing my flaws. As I grew up, I started to realize that keeping facets of myself hidden wasn't smart or anything, it was cruel. Cruel to myself.
Once I started to branch out and open up about myself in a more healthy manner, the more I started to learn about myself and enjoy life. Whenever I used to look at my art, I'd always say "I hate this" but now I say "I can do better", since I've always seen art as an extension of myself, I internalized that as me saying "I hate myself", but now, I say "I'm not there....yet".
much love brother, I resonate with your point!
This video hits way too close to home for me. I'm both a straight black American writer and and digital artist, so when it comes to masculinity and the arts in the black community, I've had two black adverse identities my entire life. I played football growing up, and I'll be the first to tell you that being black and gifted in something other than sports or rap can be a handicap. Being a big black dude who played ball all my life, I was seen as crazy for wanting to go to art college rather than playing football at university. I had more support than conflict though, so for me being black and creatively gifted was something that made me feel completely alienated. It's incredibly rare to see well established black writers or artists really out in the world to identify with. In fact the only one who comes to mind is Jean-Michel Basquiat (and him dying young and tragically didn't help). Seeing you out there being a UA-camr is actually a great source of inspiration for me personally.
I think one of the things you touched on that I've discovered is that black men just aren't allowed to be weird, to like something cute, to want beauty, to want to be heartfelt, or to be anything that will read as not 'hard'. I'm super lucky to have come from a rich white suburbs that was very progressive and not judgmental, but the moment I stepped outside into the real world I caught all of what you illustrated. Everything comes through the filter of bro armor. Everything has to be 'bro this, bro that', 'no homo', all this coded bravado without any of that nurturing intimacy. It's through this that as a writer I find it far easier to express my own feelings through female characters, and often times it will read as far more believable as well.
It certainly doesn't help we also live in a climate where calling out these things is somehow synonymous with tearing down women, or not listening to women, or not supporting women. It's no wonder to me why the manosphere and sites like OnlyFans, and all these other communities and companies are popping up, because you have whole scores of young men worldwide who are becoming lost and disenfranchised by this nonsense, and when it gets to that point, they become like Alfred said in Dark Knight; 'they just want to watch the world burn.' I think like anything the tides will begin to change, real positive masculinity can begin to emerge, and fathers and sons can begin to pick up the pieces of the wrong things that were taught to them and relearned through a more healthy lens. Talking about it is the first step, and you Mr. Ergo Josh, just helped with that. So thanks for making this video!
Np man Im super happy to know this reached you. And yeah I’ve come to understand that those things are simply distractions. People know right from wrong for the most part. I ignore people who try to twist my words or associate me with another group. They know what they are doing and so do I. It’s all just distraction.
Its so rare to see such a raw expression of emotions and thoughts in a youtube video of all places. I really enjoyed it.
This is such a healthy conversation to have!! Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts. Also, I love your voice and artworks, your anatomy knowledge is admirable!
My man, everything you said here resonates with me so much! All my life, I've had people tell me I'm feminine, womanish, a sissy, or gay for the dumbest shit. I've literally had a woman tell me she thought I was gay because I wear eyeliner, the way I talk (no idea what she even meant), and because I didn't wanna have sex with her specifically. Even when I was performing masculinity my very hardest, it wasn't good enough for others.
Nowadays, I just don't have the energy to care anymore. I fully embrace my femininity, and I feel my masculinity is empowered through it! It's also how I realized I'm nonbinary. Going goth went a long way to helping me be who I really am, and that is why I appreciate Hobie so much. He is one of the few Black characters who has made me feel seen. He's an absolute rebel, he doesn't care what anyone else thinks, he's gonna be himself and do what he feels is right no matter what.
I love this gradually growing wave of men who are challenging patriarchal definitions of masculinity and no longer being afraid of being seen as weak. My hope is that other men will join this wave.
Dude watching you draw just showed me the gap in my art abilities and a true professional. There's like 7 times I thought u were done with the piece and you just kept going!💀 Adding more and more creative and intricate detail. AND IM ONLY 11 MINUTES IN!!
Its also very fitting you chose to draw Hobbie while discussing the topic you discussed. I dont know if it were intentional or just because Hobbie is popular at the moment and u wanted to capitalize on that fact, but Hobbie as a character, represents sticking it to the man. He kinda-- more so than miles, represents being yourself, not giving into societies ways of limiting you or controlling you, and sticking up for what right despite all the politics behind it. A true Rebel
Bruh I was STRUGGLIN for alot of this but I appreciate it haha. It just flows that way. This is the time, theres a reason Hobie exists now, and I exist now. This is the direction we are moving in. Across the Spiderverse was extremely inspiring for me.
Thanks for this talk! As a mother of two girls and a baby boy, a lot of what you mentioned here has been on my mind lately. Always wonderful to listen to you while working on art.
As a female artist, I have always enjoyed more to draw women too.
On the other hand It's really good to see more and more men to realize that a toxic model of masculity ultimately hurt themselves. No matter how much feminism pushes for a change, things can only be better when men themselves work on a healtier self image and a healthier relationship to women.
I don't get your second point can elaborate miss plz ?
Not really. No one can univerally agree on what a healthy self image is. Otherwise it would be a simple decision. One man's trash is anothers treasure as they say
A healthier relationship to men and women! Men don't realize or willfully ignore how much the patriarchy hurts men and causes them to tear down fellow men, meanwhile modern feminism hasn't focused enough on that aspect either imo
just because guys find meaning in working out doesn't mean that all muscular guys are toxic.
i'd even go so far as to argue since that feminism is stretching way further then it should,
the "redpill" guys are gaining more attraction because so many men have been negatively impacted by the actions of women,
without doing anything bad, just hanging out with a women in a room, by themselves, a guy can be falsely accused of some really bad things,
and his future is potentially over, yet nobody thinks that's bad?
if you want to gain a bit more insight, "the red pill" documentary by Cassie Jay, it's an older one, but worth the watch
You are the problem.
I shouldnt say anything but after you just sat and watched a 30 minute video that goes directly over the consequences of woman saying *What you are saying now*..
I expect you to have a more thought out and self aware comment. Wake up to yourself.
It's great to draw men, and even better, OLD men! Why ? Because it's much easier, as a beginner, to learn how to draw a portrait with wrinkles, imperfections etc. than a beautiful woman's face straight out of the Pre-Raphaelite era. Planes of the face are also clearly more defined on men.
If I could go back 10 years, I'd draw a lot more old men like Rembrandt... And now I understand why.
excellent point
more interesting planes and shapes is exactly why a lot of woman's clothing (like lush, twirly historical dresses) looks more appealing to draw for me
I feel so much of this. I appreciate you being so candid! This is important.
I really love hearing you talk about your experiences and your perspective, it's not quite the direction I thought it was eye opening and I appreciate it. I'm a quite shy individual and have been really timid about expressing myself, both in person and in my artwork; overly conscious of what I produce for fear of others disapproval. I shouldn't but it's so easy to psych yourself out, or give into the pressure of others. So in a round about way, I can really relate to this talk.
for me it came down to 2 things
1. I'm a woman so I'm more familiar with my own body
2. men's bodies are more "difficult" to draw. pecs, abs, muscles on the arms, legs, back. They tend to require much more referencing for me to get right.
I’ve been looking for this take. Thank you.
this painting is stunning geeze
Hope to see you make more stuff you enjoy in the future! I always love watching you draw. The podcast on top of the painting was really nice too. I would 110% watch it if you did another one like this!
Thank you so much!
As someone who was born with a couple of features that are considered feminine, I completely relate to you Josh! I’m more gravitated to clothing styles that would be considered feminine, and I am as Heterosexual as they come 😂… thanks for speaking up about this.. Making sure your expression is yours is very solid advise!! Welldone Josh!!!
Ayeee happy to hear it! You know you feel like you're the only person like you in the world sometimes...and that IS true to an extent, but reading comments like yours are what its all about.
@@ergojosh 🥹🥹 Thanks man.. More men need to get in touch with their feminine side sha
big respect for expressing yourself and being honest; I think a lot of people feel the same way and will continue to explore these ideas with time. Cheers Josh, you're continually a legend
On my art journey I've learnt a lot, not just about art but things regarding life in general. And the thing about drawing freely and not caring what others think is really important. Even besides art learning to truly be yourself is really hard for a lot of people. And art has helped me do that. I'm still not where I want to be but I'm definitely in a better place than I was a year ago. And if we start restricting/policing art, the very thing that gives a lot of people a sense of freedom then what even is the point. Now there could be exceptions to this but generally speaking art is about freedom of expression to a lot of people. One thing that would be really good to do is to take a break from social media at least once a week. Forget about all the drama for a while. But I imagine for professionals like that wouldn't be an option as you really a lot on engagement from social media I imagine. Anyway just keep drawing and as long as we enjoy what we do we'll be fine.
Josh, this was an immaculate explanation. Appreciate you even more bro. Love the raw authentic narration. Also, I agree with most of the comments here, whatever you draw and whomever you draw, I'll always enjoy. Keep creating Fam! 🔥
would be amazing if you do more of these i was studying anatomy and it was really calming to listen
I love how well thought out your talk was! Just subbed
This video commentary had me shocked as I was rollin' in laughter and provocative thought. Thanks Josh!
This is fantastic, man. Thanks for sharing. It resonates deeply.
nah bru your impressions are crazy good.
Loved how raw and real this was. You the one bro!!!
"Describe it as raw and real, I'm dealin' with all the ills, I'm tearin' up like I'm on Dr. Phil" - Denzel Curry "WALKIN"
My dude Denzel knows whats up!! Just finished my part on TenHuns biggest art collab. Really wish it went to you bro!!@@ergojosh
This was a great and accurate assessment. Yes, please continue to share your musings. You have me up before the sun with my brain working overtime. ❤ it! Thank you 😊
I've started trying to learn how to draw in the past year or so and I 100% get where you're coming from in the beginning when it comes to drawing men. I want to draw men, but I struggle to make masculinity aesthetically pleasing. Finding other artists for inspiration is also a bit challenging. Most artist who draw men in a sexualized/aesthetic way often draw men with abs or men in suits. Other artists who draw men regularly draw them in... not so aesthetically pleasing ways and it sucks. But I still try because I refuse to give up on depicting masculine men as aesthetically pleasing (and not just with abs and in suits).
Not sure how masculine you want your subjects, but len-yan (Magdalena Pagowska)'s art can be very inspiring :) Imo they paint both more masculine and more feminine men, as well as androgynous ones, and the way they do it really brings out the beauty of men.
@@xelith6157 Their art is beautiful! Thank you!
Well, if you draw a normal-looking dude that has a nice hairdo and wears nice-looking clothes in a wholesome/relatable setup, then its attractive without being jacked and/or in a suit.
Like that, men can be aesthetic, though you really need to build a character around an illustration to really make a more scrawny guy look "sexy", mostly thanks to female gaze. Various girls don't care so much about sexy (since not even half the men in the world work hard enough to look sexy) but more about "wholesome". They also have a vision of what men are "for silly kisses" or "for marriage".
Sometimes just doing a little research or even just watching some romance tailored to women can make you maybe see some inspiration.
thanks man, I'm feeling so good after this podcast
Often people and artists want you to be authentic and be true to yourself… that is until your views conflict with theirs. Create what you want. Thanks for the video
Great, high quality video, as always! A very mature analysis of today's society. It's hard to break out of the role you are "supposed to be in", growing up in a toxic environment or society that judges you permanently. As long as it is not harmful to anybody, people should just be allowed to live their life the way they want to, without having to justify themselves for each and every "off-role" thing they do.
Just for the record - I don't know if it has been mentioned before in the comments - the video you were referring to talking about the press conference is a satire video from years back, published by The Onion. So it's not a "real" video, just trending right now. I fell for it too, until I saw a comment on that video mentioning it and doing some research myself. Doesn't change the message of your video by any bit, however!
Keep up the good work Josh!
Seriously people… if you have nothing nice to say just don’t say anything. As an artist tired of all these standards set by society and industry I’m actually happy to listen and hear what my fellow artist has to say
That artwork is badass; I love it. Amazing video and amazing artwork as always.
I really love the fact you're talking about this since me as a female sometimes feel sad about both men and women and how they have to act a certain type of way without showing any emotions into art by drawing hobie like this video is beautiful for me of course
This video feels like one of the better videos regarding this topic, it talks about the problems men face without putting women down, or pushing the same stuff onto everyone, this video rocks.
A lot of what he said about the societal expectations of men are very true. The same forces that oppress women, also imposes this crap on men. Being "unemotional" and not being able to freely express yourself outside masculine stereotypes is about as "un-artistic" as you can get. With male visual expression, you reach the end of the rope rather quickly. You even have some men *finally* complaining about this, too.
Dude, this was so good! You're killin it with these vids.
Thanks a ton!
Do you find yourself, as a black male, getting scrutinized for certain subject matters aside from perceived male masculinity/feminity? I drew a portrait with horns and conservatives came out of the woodwork to criticize and claim I was feeding into "devil worship". Like damn, can't a brother just make aesthetically pleasing art?
Yup. But most people figure out things don’t apply to me pretty quickly these days and keep quiet.
Thank you for making me think! You're awesome ❤
Amazing video man, made some really good points 🙏🏽
I think this video is incredibly valuable! thank you for sharing all this with us, very interesting and surprising to hear your side of how life has treated you as everything you are (male/artist/straight/Nigerian/etc) I personally knew people who were discouraged to pursue their art careers (like a Turkish/straight/muslim young man wanting to become a fashion designer for women's wear was brutally discoureged to go for his dream because they believed it will make him gay) it's sad to think how other people's immature/limited world views can put so much pressure on others' dreams. People are cruel 😔 on another note, another amazing art work! absolutely beautiful! 💖
i can’t agree more with you. lovely video ❤️❤️❤️
I'm stoked that you are putting the spotlight on characters like Ekko and Hobie and why they are so amazing and cool. The world can't abandon these toxic ideals fast enough
P.s. love your accent
i draw men because they're hot + i have no idea how to draw women
thanks for coming to my ted talk
10/10 video 👏🏾👏🏾
I know it took alot of courage to talk about these topics
You Ate This ! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 🪷
I'm bi, but very rarely draw men (trying to change that though😭) I think you're right on women being more socially acceptable to draw in more creative and expressive ways. Whenever I think of drawing a man, my mind kind of draws a blank on how I could draw a man in a way that is as interesting as I can draw women, especially when it comes to hair, clothing, and poses. But I guess I just need to be more creative and seek out more inspiration so I can build on that visual library, maybe push a few boundaries etc.
I'd say just don't assign gender to any of it, the hair, the clothing, the poses, etc and work from that.
As a black male American you hit the nail on the head with this...plenty of the experiences you've mention I've also gone through while studying illustration in University and even life. Down to the "no homo" or "pause." I love watching your vids and this was one of my favs. Keep up the good work bro
It is precisely because of this rules , limitations and perceptions of male's sexuality and expressions i enjoy drawing men so much, not only because of my sexuality , althougjt It is the main reason why i enjoy the Male body. I dont like the Taboo around males being percieved as sexy and i personally decided to use this preference as a statement
this is one of the best videos ive ever seen
Men's genitalia changes S they are present, descending and ascending, shrinking, and lengthening.
Woman round bits and genatils are fairly static unless in motion
Artists and people on socials really be wilding these days. You can't draw anything, or not draw something, without being called out for doing so. Draw what you want, it's your art and should be about you only. Sharing your art online shouldn't be a reason for people to judge it or, worse, judge who you are. Touch grass, people, and enjoy art ! It's always gonna be a part of you so yeah, do what you want.
Or just don't give a f about them
@@vorrdegard2176 I guess it's less easy when you get hundreds of comments about the same topic but yeah I do agree, the best you can do is to not give a shit. + those people are only real on social medias, if I dare to say. None of them will find us in the streets so why do we even care ? haha
I love how real you are LMAO Respect 😂😂😂
idc i love both woman and men 🗿
This man right here was born with 2 gifts, first, his hands which he uses to express the beauty that is art, and his voice, man oh man this man has such a damn good voice.
You're Nigerian! 🎉 Me too. You said you were African and I was wondering, could he be Nigerian? Very informative video. I remember going to school in Nigeria, and one of my classmates (Nigerian like myself) said to me: Nigerians raised abroad are usually good at drawing. I thought that was an interesting comment.
That's interesting! Can you explain why? Or how does that work?
@@loveArtnotFoodCould be influence, you get to experience more beyond your culture and sometimes locally if you live in a cultural melting-pot, for example say the USA or Canada. Note, I am saying this as a Nigerian who grew up in the EU.
Really?
I really appreciate this video. I relate so much to the black experiences you mentioned, I really did. I'm genuinely surprised to have this talked about. and I can tell you put a lot of thought into this. You've opened up a lot in this video and that's pretty significant.
I super remember the bullying I endured for liking anime and my art was so devalued that when I left my sketchbook in class on accident once, some girl decided to color them in. And she just didn't understand how that could matter to someone. Hell it's been years and as an adult I'm still sometimes scared to *like* things because I grew up with sisters and peers that just shamed me for being "too white" or weird for liking anime like I did. I'm only now, at 25, sort of learning to let go. In recent years I'm having to open my mind back up to art as well. I had a long hiatus because I kept having people tell me what I should be drawing to be better and all it did was make me feel bogged down. I have to relearn being myself and just doing what I want. (Ironically people were complaining to me that I draw too many women as well, despite being a woman myself and just wanting to, y'know, relax. I can draw men I just didn't)
Yoshitaka Amano really helped me to try and get out of that gender box when trying to draw. Also when I started listening to punk rock and its really had a freeing effect and i love having it influence me
I think putting irl sociopolitical views on what *can* be anything in art is a limiting angle to begin with. art is art, regardless of gender, you can put heels or anything else on ANYONE in art and that is why art is magical. It’s SUPPOSED to be able to go beyond reality.
You drew hobie so well! :D I wish I could draw him as well as you can, he’s my favorite from the movie.
I know so many women who are desperate to see men who express themselves more freely.
I think we just need to leave everyone alone and let them express themselves safely, but I know that's too optimistic
Edit: you also mentioned art being seen as feminine: which is so odd because in all of my art history classes the scene is dominated by men. Did men historically so dislike having women take over another one of their fields that they demeaned art to such a point that it's now associated with women?
That's a genuine question that I'd love to hear someone answer insightfully!!
Well the purpose of art has changed ever since. Before our was intertwined with science, plus it was very taxing. Not everyone was capable of being a ton of marble to their homes and carv, but thats what art was. Now art isnt as sophisticated and is kind of a time waster.
Yeah Idk what happened. It may be just my own experience but I definitely had a privileged upbringing - my highschool art teacher was phenomenal. So I still believe these perspectives are very common. Also, its not too optimistic. Its just that more people need to start talking. One side has hogged the mic for too long. Theres 100 more viewpoints that need to start being shared.
You make an important point about expressing yourself authentically. Appreciated. In my personal experience, the first person (celebrity) I really understood to challenge our societal (and historically toxic) view of masculinity was Prince. He basically said this IS masculine. Heels and all. I don't know anyone that doesn't like or respect Prince. I'm getting more 80s hair metal vibes from Hobie. Motley crew maybe haha. It's is a purple vest though.
Noticed the link to paperlike... Do you have a screen lamination comparison/review? The paperlike ones I have are the first ones I've tried so far. Glad they were available at best buy when i impulsively purchased my second hand ipad and needed the pencil etc asap. Has me thinking the good stuff might not be on the shelf like that though.
Cheers bro keep making hits
This is such an insightful take. I've felt myself slowly drawing less and less men as my work became focused around feeding my audience with aesthetically pleasing prints. But this video made me really want to add men to my work and see the opportunity to showcase them in a softer light.
He droppppsss I’m kinda upset you didn’t record this with a British accent the whole time 😂
I appreciate this video from ur perspective. I don't like it when people start speaking to you like if ur a video game like its not choose ur own adventure, why why why don't you do this...like wtf. I wanted to say why don't you start drawing what your telling me what to do, why don't you learn how to do art then you can draw all the men or animals. I got this same complaint from people I knew it was frustrating. I painted comic book-style monsters since childhood, in my sketchbook I drew whatever and got really good at drawing women, I am a woman. I got commissioned work for not the monsters but drawing women. So I tried to perfect it. I got a lot of sh**t for it. Well ur not alone and just keep doing you. I think it's hard however, you have ur community and were here for each other.
Authenticity 101 ❤
Thank you Josh
You are so real for this video. I know you said in the beginning that you may be politically incorrect or harsh, but I don't think you were at any point, nor did I think you were being offensive for talking about men's lack of self-expression in today's society. You are completely spot on with that, and only the most radical, tunnel-visioned, and out of touch feminists would disagree with you. I haven't finished watching the whole video yet, but you've made so many absolutely excellent points so far. I am just like you in only really wanting to draw women, but I have branched out with some male characters. I do, however, make these male characters very self-expressive, due to my vision of what men should be able to do and how they should be able to look :D
As a Jamaican I had a proper laugh at us being the most self-policing. It's so damn true. Awesome pick with drawing Hobie, I often get called Spider Punk here in NYC lmao.
Have you ever considered sharing line drawing files of some of the art you do? I’d buy a file so that I can print it out and do some additional lining. Especially if you made some available for across the universe characters :)
That's a great idea! I’ve started it in my course. Thats something Ill consider offering on my shop or Patreon.
I want you to know, your accents at the end really made me laugh and smile :) 10/10
This goes hard.
Great discussion
Josh its your art, you draw what you want to. Also consult with your friend "Hands" and get his input on this foray into the issue.
I enjoy drawing females and I can draw males. It just is preference.
You make even your sketch lines look like a finished artwork (I guess I just enjoy sketch and gesture lines more than perfect lines as they have energy to them or something.
Completely agree with you, one of my favourite book series is The vampire chronicles by Anne rice, in straight but a lot of people would think that indicates otherwise. I do think we are moving in the right direction though.
when "last touches" is 95% of your time drawing xD
love the art and your ideas dude. you're right to follow your own path is the only way forward.
This has been an experience lots to think about
Also, really interesting video and thoughts.
It’s been a few hours since I first watched this video, and I really can’t get it out of my head. Your reasoning makes perfect sense, everything feels so relevant and real, and I have to admit I feel a bit guilty.
I’m a female artist. The main thing I draw is people, but it’s basically exclusively women/ people with feminine features and traits. As a kid I felt like I couldn’t draw men because I couldn’t make them look as “pretty” compared to women. I felt limited with what clothing style and hair I could give them. Women could have braids, accessories, colorful hair, dresses, suits, heals, jewelry, makeup etc, but men were not supposed to wear that. Gender norms were ingrained into my mind as soon as I became conscious, without me realizing it. It’s only now that I’m older and more knowledgeable that I can reflect on how harmful a lot of gender norms are.
Drawing has always been a fun hobby of mine that allowed me to be distracted. For many years I just drew because it was fun, but as the years went on I started to really identify with it and it allowed me to express myself. It takes up a lot of time, I’m currently attending art school and hope to improve every day. I draw women and use lots of poses in my art in order to tell stories and portray emotions. Body language and anatomy is my favorite thing to practice and draw because I feel able to create meaningful pieces that reflect my own thoughts and feelings.
My understanding of the world, social norms, queerness, art history, philosophy has changed over time a lot since I first started drawing at the age of 5. Despite having encountered many boys in high school (even middle school) that made me extremely uncomfortable with their inappropriate behaviors and sexual comments, I believe I today judge people mainly on what their their character is like and not what gender they associate with. It doesn’t really matter if you identify as a man or a woman or as anything else, your personality and actions reflect more on who you are as a person in my opinion. It took me a while to come to that conclusion, but I figured there’s always gonna be people that make you uncomfortable in numerous ways, regardless of gender.
Although I believe my view on gender has evolved and become more accepting and wiser, I still practically exclusively draw women?
Why is that? Do I really still follow these old intuitive ideals of gender that were imprinted in my head as a kid?
It feels impossible to believe, but now that I’m reflecting on the matter… I definitely feel more liberated from drawing women.
I used to think women were more relatable to me because most women experience similar struggles in society caused my misogyny, and therefore we just “got each other”, therefore I like to draw women because I feel more connected to it and it feels easier to convey my feelings/messages. While it is true that women often bond with other women for shared experiences, it’s not something exclusive that only can happen between women.
You can relate to someone based on preferences, economic situation, social status, family situation, politics, moral values, life experiences, gender, age, education, culture, mental health, passions and dreams etc. Sure there are stuff that feels easier to understand when you talk to someone of the same gender as you, but we’re not limited to only relate to people of a certain gender identity.
Despite having male and female and gender none conforming friends that I think highly off, my art doesn’t reflect my belief that gender doesn’t define you and that I find different people relatable.
My intention has never been to shut out a big group of people out of my life based on gender stereotypes, but your video has made me embrace your message and perhaps realize that I’m not immune from toxic societal norms. As much as I want to be nice and understanding towards everyone, I need to be more aware of how society portrays gender can change my perception and limit my mindfulness.
Even if your video was mainly asking the question “why do most artist prefer to draw women”, this video left me speechless and curious. Curious about what this said about me as an artist and as a person, curious about what it must feel like to grow up as a boy, curious about what others feel about all of this.
I feel like rushing to my sketchbook so I can draw a guy without limiting myself to stupid gender norms.
Thank you for this video. Honestly, thank you. You gave me something to ponder on and to grow from, I appreciate it
17:10 It's interesting how majority of artists in the past were predominantly men artists, but now it's completely vice versa
Fun round bits.
Lol