You’re right, but what we wanted from this video is to analyze that, not to criticize it. I think we all should accept it’s his art, and he can draw whatever he wants.
Also I love how he chose to paint Hobie for this, cause Hobie and the spider verse animated movie series in general did a great job at depicting a more liberating view point for atractivo men. Hobie is just so beautiful.
Totally. This character choice (conscious or unconsciously) was probably recognition of his inner conflicts. Maybe Hobie is the kind of man he wish he was, but doesn't realize it. Only
Interesting. As a female artist who mostly draws men, I find your perspective on this to be very valid and interesting. And yes, I have been inspired by KPop to draw men the way I do. Till date, I hear some of my friends ask “Is that a woman” when I draw a man with long hair and long eyelashes. It’s this stereotype around men and women in general that is a big hurdle to be crossed. Honestly, I’m grateful that as an artist I have the freedom to express the way I draw both genders from my perspective. No wonder I agree with Hobie a lot - I ain’t good with consistencies 😂 Thank you for expressing yourself in such an authentic way, Josh. You’re doing an amazing job. Keep going ❤
I also have been drawing men and I blame sports anime for making me draw beefy dudes lmao. Usually you draw whatever influences you or what you’re currently obsessed with.
I have a question, how is your audience supposed to know if the people you draw are men when you draw them androgynous ? Kinda like how they are draw Loki right now in marvel comics, the guy has a womans face, and simply equating people reaction to it as "your just old fashioned" is kinda frustrating.
@@Desert_Person well as far as I know Loki is a shape shifter, so they can be a bunch of different stuff including male, female and a horse. though I am not really too knowledgeable about Marvel lore, but in Norse lore the horse even gave birth...which... I wouldn't call that a new development. Norse lore has been around for a few centuries I guess. you must be very old if you call yourself old-fashioned in comparison to Norse mythology. ^^ First: is it really always important for the audience to know the gender of the character as long as the image communicates what it's supposed to communicate and serves the purpose it was supposed to serve. Second: the people who are in the target group (i.e. for example shoujo anime and BL fans or K-pop fans) know what to look for. they are more used to the art style. just like people see a stick figure with a "skirt" and immediately assume the stick figure is a woman, even though it doesn't look like a real-life person and doesn't show any anatomical correctness. just because we learned the "art style" of stick figures and how different attributes can mean a different demographic. While some parts might be depicted more androgynous other stuff (like the adam's apple, broader, bigger hands and feet, broader shoulders and less narrow rib cage, narrow waist, small butt) might be even exaggerated depending on the style. once you know the style and what to pay attention to, I suppose it's not that hard to differentiate unless the artist actually wants to depict a non-binary person.
@@Desert_Person And what is wrong with being androgynous? People, mostly men, where praised and treated a lot better for being androgynous. Second, last I checked, men have eye lashes and I have known men to have long eye lashes. Having long eye lashes is not something only women have , to which most women don't even have long eye lashes to begin. Same with long hair. Men throughout different cultures and history had long hair. It was a status of being wealthy. And even told lots of men have long hair. Lots of mental bands and rock bands the men have long hair. If those 2 things make you confused and you can't tell what *sex a person is, that is on you. And again, who cares if you don't know if the character or person is supposed to be male or female. Why does that matter so much to know when you see a drawing? Also, using Loki as an "example". Okay. Tell me you know nothing about norse mythology without telling me you know nothing about norse mythology. Of all the characters, you choose a known shapeshift trickster who enjoys doing random weird crap to through people off and get a reaction from them. You do know, that Loki turned into a female horse so he could have s*x with a male horse that caught his fancy and got pregant. Real mythology across the world, is crazy and wild. It gets watered down for people like you who are so sensitive to anything outside the "gender norms".
The male expression thing seriously needs to change. Let the dudes wear nice things, for god's sake! I went to see Barbie, and half the males in the room were exited to wear pink stuff. Looked great on most of them, too.
acceptable. i draw mostly men. I avoid drawing women since I'm having a hard time on drawing their female features unlike with men that i have expertise with. It's just preference.
Lately I’ve been confused and frustrated by some online people calling certain men “queer baiters” for wearing things not stereotypical to their gender, yet i don’t really see that for women? Maybe some of those men are doing more to “bait” than just clothing, but in terms of JUST clothing alone, i think it’s so ridiculous that “both” sides play into gender stereotypes in such weird ways. Men wearing tight short shorts used to be such a popular thing in the 80s by everyone, and now it’s either seen as queer by one side or HORRIBLE and emasculating by the other lol? As a straight female growing up in the late 90s, we were just called tomboys for wearing boys clothes. Generally I agree that women can really get away with wearing anything from experience. No doubt for some people it’s deeper than just clothes and I don’t want to dismiss real gender dysphoria, but for me and many people it’s just…clothes and hobbies we enjoy and don’t want to be seen in ways that have to have some deep or personal reason behind it.
I think, societal expectation and general view on masculinity and femininity definitely play a part in this. Yes, women has fought for many years to achieve a more equal place in the patriarchial society, but to actually gain the same respect and positions, they still are expected to take on some traditionally masculine traits or else they're likely to perceived as "weaker". The general population still, in some ways, believe that masculinity is something superior or more important than femininity. So imagine what the public would think when men or AMAB people want to express their femininity. They're often told that either they're: #1.Ãctually queer or queerbaiting , #2.Have a kink/fetish, #3. Mentally unstable.
There is too much politicizing in art. We have groups that we need to this or do that. That is too stifling and is a kind control/censorship in art. That is a bad thing in the long run. There are expectations that society has set, with very good reason and must not be dismissed easily, but that doesn't mean it should dictate the creative individual. Sad thing we see in the Film industry is going. That's why Hollywood is now in a creative bankruptcy.
ive seen some women called queer baiters once because they draw or act too friendly towards women which for some ppl implies a (sexual)relationship even if its actually jsut a close friendship
I think it’s important to look at art history for a second: more specifically, how artists have criticized societal standards since forever. We’ve made comments on society, government, politics, etc. We’ve seen beauty captured in men by the Greek and Roman sculptures (and later when Da Vinci made a “too attractive” Lucifer statue and then his brother made an even more attractive one😂) and we’ve also seen more masculine women (think of propaganda from WW1 and WW2). Art is all about human expression so whichever gender/sex you use to express what you think or feel doesn’t really matter, most people won’t get the point anyway. I personally like to use men when it comes to the softer more “feminine” emotions and situations and women for tougher “masculine” emotions. I like giving women a “masculine” rage and drawing men hugging each other and loving each other since it’s not “proper” in our society (which is really jank to me cuz like??? Everyone is gonna cry sometimes? Everyone is gonna get mad and want to destroy the world??). I also like conveying the stuff that should be behind closed doors for each gender 🤷♀️
This was a very different video compared to what I've seen before, but nonetheless I felt this conversation was very authentic! You're certainly right about people working hard to invalidate themselves. Something that helped me massively was letting go of perfectionism and instead embracing my flaws. As I grew up, I started to realize that keeping facets of myself hidden wasn't smart or anything, it was cruel. Cruel to myself. Once I started to branch out and open up about myself in a more healthy manner, the more I started to learn about myself and enjoy life. Whenever I used to look at my art, I'd always say "I hate this" but now I say "I can do better", since I've always seen art as an extension of myself, I internalized that as me saying "I hate myself", but now, I say "I'm not there....yet".
As a straight man who draws both men and women, I usually like to add heavy fantasy traits like crazy outfits or even some body horror elements to make the gender irrelevant in my pieces. That gives me so much freedom - to just be able to make any gender look cool and extremely pleasing to look at by adding more detail where it is 'missing'.
When you started with "I wont be nice, I wont be politically correct" I got scared, that some big redpill bomb will explode here, but the overall message turned out to be impossibly based! Also your art is amazing, especially color palettes you choose for your renders!
Thank you so much for calling out the black community's extensive homophobia, like its BAD depending where you live and it sucks when you feel like you have to be careful the MOST around your own race.
Eh, I'm going to push back on that a bit. Considering how much the queer community has appropriated from black women _who have been very accepting and welcoming of them into black spaces,_ perhaps you mean MEN in the black community. Also, on that note, I have to wonder if the historical (and sometimes current) trauma perpetrated onto black male bodies in particular since being dragged unwillingly onto this continent has resulted in a heightened, almost phobic reaction nonheteronormative expressions. You may disagree, but I found some of the concepts in literature like _The Delectable Negro_ and first-hand accounts from formerly enslaved people detailing the psychological warfare whites in the south would wage upon black males to achieve emasculation (colloquially, "Buck Breaking") via feminizing their appearance (forcing boys and men to wear skirts, or one-piece garments that resembled a nightgown similar to Geppetto in Disney's _Pinocchio,_ for most of the year, as example) worthy explanations for the visceral reactions still normalized today in our community when it comes to regarding the queer community. I think the term "homophobia" is mostly misused in common vernacular, but in the case of the black community in The West, is an apt descriptor for segments of our group who've carried on generations of psychological trauma, as well as those brainwashed by the Western Church of Christianity's indoctrination.
This video hits way too close to home for me. I'm both a straight black American writer and and digital artist, so when it comes to masculinity and the arts in the black community, I've had two black adverse identities my entire life. I played football growing up, and I'll be the first to tell you that being black and gifted in something other than sports or rap can be a handicap. Being a big black dude who played ball all my life, I was seen as crazy for wanting to go to art college rather than playing football at university. I had more support than conflict though, so for me being black and creatively gifted was something that made me feel completely alienated. It's incredibly rare to see well established black writers or artists really out in the world to identify with. In fact the only one who comes to mind is Jean-Michel Basquiat (and him dying young and tragically didn't help). Seeing you out there being a UA-camr is actually a great source of inspiration for me personally. I think one of the things you touched on that I've discovered is that black men just aren't allowed to be weird, to like something cute, to want beauty, to want to be heartfelt, or to be anything that will read as not 'hard'. I'm super lucky to have come from a rich white suburbs that was very progressive and not judgmental, but the moment I stepped outside into the real world I caught all of what you illustrated. Everything comes through the filter of bro armor. Everything has to be 'bro this, bro that', 'no homo', all this coded bravado without any of that nurturing intimacy. It's through this that as a writer I find it far easier to express my own feelings through female characters, and often times it will read as far more believable as well. It certainly doesn't help we also live in a climate where calling out these things is somehow synonymous with tearing down women, or not listening to women, or not supporting women. It's no wonder to me why the manosphere and sites like OnlyFans, and all these other communities and companies are popping up, because you have whole scores of young men worldwide who are becoming lost and disenfranchised by this nonsense, and when it gets to that point, they become like Alfred said in Dark Knight; 'they just want to watch the world burn.' I think like anything the tides will begin to change, real positive masculinity can begin to emerge, and fathers and sons can begin to pick up the pieces of the wrong things that were taught to them and relearned through a more healthy lens. Talking about it is the first step, and you Mr. Ergo Josh, just helped with that. So thanks for making this video!
Np man Im super happy to know this reached you. And yeah I’ve come to understand that those things are simply distractions. People know right from wrong for the most part. I ignore people who try to twist my words or associate me with another group. They know what they are doing and so do I. It’s all just distraction.
Word of advice; If their not paying your bills, making love to you, related by blood or by your own choice, who cares what they think of you or what you do.
for me it came down to 2 things 1. I'm a woman so I'm more familiar with my own body 2. men's bodies are more "difficult" to draw. pecs, abs, muscles on the arms, legs, back. They tend to require much more referencing for me to get right.
My man, everything you said here resonates with me so much! All my life, I've had people tell me I'm feminine, womanish, a sissy, or gay for the dumbest shit. I've literally had a woman tell me she thought I was gay because I wear eyeliner, the way I talk (no idea what she even meant), and because I didn't wanna have sex with her specifically. Even when I was performing masculinity my very hardest, it wasn't good enough for others. Nowadays, I just don't have the energy to care anymore. I fully embrace my femininity, and I feel my masculinity is empowered through it! It's also how I realized I'm nonbinary. Going goth went a long way to helping me be who I really am, and that is why I appreciate Hobie so much. He is one of the few Black characters who has made me feel seen. He's an absolute rebel, he doesn't care what anyone else thinks, he's gonna be himself and do what he feels is right no matter what. I love this gradually growing wave of men who are challenging patriarchal definitions of masculinity and no longer being afraid of being seen as weak. My hope is that other men will join this wave.
as someone who draws mainly men because he feel like he cant express himself in real life, all that you've just said hits incredibly close to home. You explained it so well! Keep doing what you're doing dude, you're an inspiration, truly
I've wondered about this for a very long time, in my work and other artists' work . And everything you're saying is so valid. Thank you for not holding anything back
As a female artist, I have always enjoyed more to draw women too. On the other hand It's really good to see more and more men to realize that a toxic model of masculity ultimately hurt themselves. No matter how much feminism pushes for a change, things can only be better when men themselves work on a healtier self image and a healthier relationship to women.
Not really. No one can univerally agree on what a healthy self image is. Otherwise it would be a simple decision. One man's trash is anothers treasure as they say
A healthier relationship to men and women! Men don't realize or willfully ignore how much the patriarchy hurts men and causes them to tear down fellow men, meanwhile modern feminism hasn't focused enough on that aspect either imo
just because guys find meaning in working out doesn't mean that all muscular guys are toxic. i'd even go so far as to argue since that feminism is stretching way further then it should, the "redpill" guys are gaining more attraction because so many men have been negatively impacted by the actions of women, without doing anything bad, just hanging out with a women in a room, by themselves, a guy can be falsely accused of some really bad things, and his future is potentially over, yet nobody thinks that's bad? if you want to gain a bit more insight, "the red pill" documentary by Cassie Jay, it's an older one, but worth the watch
You are the problem. I shouldnt say anything but after you just sat and watched a 30 minute video that goes directly over the consequences of woman saying *What you are saying now*.. I expect you to have a more thought out and self aware comment. Wake up to yourself.
“Dude you out here drawing all these bitches but you ain’t fuckin any of em?” As a black male artist who grew up in a predominantly black area. I can confirm. This is exactly how it is lol. I draw women because it’s just more appealing to me. I’ve learned not to neglect my responsibilities and also learn the human anatomy, but I choose to draw women. Besides, me personally, I don’t work in the industry. Art is a hobby for me. I should be able to draw whatever I want 🤷🏽♂️also, I think this gave me inspiration for a video of my own 🤔
Thanks for this talk! As a mother of two girls and a baby boy, a lot of what you mentioned here has been on my mind lately. Always wonderful to listen to you while working on art.
Weirdly enough as a female. I love drawing men. I find them more aesthetically pleasing. It might be because I'm attracted to them too. (I love your take on this)
as a woman, i really do empathize and understand your problem. however, i think that art is the perfect place to rebel and express such frustrations freely. art is freedom. absolutely draw anything you want (within moral reason LOL), but restricting yourself to not drawing men out of fear of backlash against your masculinity is almost doing art a disrespect. at the end of the day, you can draw whatever you enjoy drawing, because your art is your art :]
As someone that's aroace and primarily draws men, I get it. 5:40 yoo actually I feel like that's the reason I gravitate towards men in my drawings and writing. It's like there are more possibilities cuz nobody ever does them.
This. I draw both men and women, but I consider myself a "men enthusiast" because "my men" doesn't follow our real-life standards, and it feels pretty comforting seeing a man dressing whatever he likes, moving whatever he likes, etc.
It's great to draw men, and even better, OLD men! Why ? Because it's much easier, as a beginner, to learn how to draw a portrait with wrinkles, imperfections etc. than a beautiful woman's face straight out of the Pre-Raphaelite era. Planes of the face are also clearly more defined on men. If I could go back 10 years, I'd draw a lot more old men like Rembrandt... And now I understand why.
excellent point more interesting planes and shapes is exactly why a lot of woman's clothing (like lush, twirly historical dresses) looks more appealing to draw for me
As someone who was born with a couple of features that are considered feminine, I completely relate to you Josh! I’m more gravitated to clothing styles that would be considered feminine, and I am as Heterosexual as they come 😂… thanks for speaking up about this.. Making sure your expression is yours is very solid advise!! Welldone Josh!!!
Ayeee happy to hear it! You know you feel like you're the only person like you in the world sometimes...and that IS true to an extent, but reading comments like yours are what its all about.
On my art journey I've learnt a lot, not just about art but things regarding life in general. And the thing about drawing freely and not caring what others think is really important. Even besides art learning to truly be yourself is really hard for a lot of people. And art has helped me do that. I'm still not where I want to be but I'm definitely in a better place than I was a year ago. And if we start restricting/policing art, the very thing that gives a lot of people a sense of freedom then what even is the point. Now there could be exceptions to this but generally speaking art is about freedom of expression to a lot of people. One thing that would be really good to do is to take a break from social media at least once a week. Forget about all the drama for a while. But I imagine for professionals like that wouldn't be an option as you really a lot on engagement from social media I imagine. Anyway just keep drawing and as long as we enjoy what we do we'll be fine.
This is such a healthy conversation to have!! Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts. Also, I love your voice and artworks, your anatomy knowledge is admirable!
Men's genitalia changes S they are present, descending and ascending, shrinking, and lengthening. Woman round bits and genatils are fairly static unless in motion
I'm stoked that you are putting the spotlight on characters like Ekko and Hobie and why they are so amazing and cool. The world can't abandon these toxic ideals fast enough P.s. love your accent
This video feels like one of the better videos regarding this topic, it talks about the problems men face without putting women down, or pushing the same stuff onto everyone, this video rocks.
Often people and artists want you to be authentic and be true to yourself… that is until your views conflict with theirs. Create what you want. Thanks for the video
A lot of what he said about the societal expectations of men are very true. The same forces that oppress women, also imposes this crap on men. Being "unemotional" and not being able to freely express yourself outside masculine stereotypes is about as "un-artistic" as you can get. With male visual expression, you reach the end of the rope rather quickly. You even have some men *finally* complaining about this, too.
Dude watching you draw just showed me the gap in my art abilities and a true professional. There's like 7 times I thought u were done with the piece and you just kept going!💀 Adding more and more creative and intricate detail. AND IM ONLY 11 MINUTES IN!! Its also very fitting you chose to draw Hobbie while discussing the topic you discussed. I dont know if it were intentional or just because Hobbie is popular at the moment and u wanted to capitalize on that fact, but Hobbie as a character, represents sticking it to the man. He kinda-- more so than miles, represents being yourself, not giving into societies ways of limiting you or controlling you, and sticking up for what right despite all the politics behind it. A true Rebel
Bruh I was STRUGGLIN for alot of this but I appreciate it haha. It just flows that way. This is the time, theres a reason Hobie exists now, and I exist now. This is the direction we are moving in. Across the Spiderverse was extremely inspiring for me.
Great, high quality video, as always! A very mature analysis of today's society. It's hard to break out of the role you are "supposed to be in", growing up in a toxic environment or society that judges you permanently. As long as it is not harmful to anybody, people should just be allowed to live their life the way they want to, without having to justify themselves for each and every "off-role" thing they do. Just for the record - I don't know if it has been mentioned before in the comments - the video you were referring to talking about the press conference is a satire video from years back, published by The Onion. So it's not a "real" video, just trending right now. I fell for it too, until I saw a comment on that video mentioning it and doing some research myself. Doesn't change the message of your video by any bit, however! Keep up the good work Josh!
I'm bi, but very rarely draw men (trying to change that though😭) I think you're right on women being more socially acceptable to draw in more creative and expressive ways. Whenever I think of drawing a man, my mind kind of draws a blank on how I could draw a man in a way that is as interesting as I can draw women, especially when it comes to hair, clothing, and poses. But I guess I just need to be more creative and seek out more inspiration so I can build on that visual library, maybe push a few boundaries etc.
Do you find yourself, as a black male, getting scrutinized for certain subject matters aside from perceived male masculinity/feminity? I drew a portrait with horns and conservatives came out of the woodwork to criticize and claim I was feeding into "devil worship". Like damn, can't a brother just make aesthetically pleasing art?
big respect for expressing yourself and being honest; I think a lot of people feel the same way and will continue to explore these ideas with time. Cheers Josh, you're continually a legend
I really love hearing you talk about your experiences and your perspective, it's not quite the direction I thought it was eye opening and I appreciate it. I'm a quite shy individual and have been really timid about expressing myself, both in person and in my artwork; overly conscious of what I produce for fear of others disapproval. I shouldn't but it's so easy to psych yourself out, or give into the pressure of others. So in a round about way, I can really relate to this talk.
As a black male American you hit the nail on the head with this...plenty of the experiences you've mention I've also gone through while studying illustration in University and even life. Down to the "no homo" or "pause." I love watching your vids and this was one of my favs. Keep up the good work bro
You're Nigerian! 🎉 Me too. You said you were African and I was wondering, could he be Nigerian? Very informative video. I remember going to school in Nigeria, and one of my classmates (Nigerian like myself) said to me: Nigerians raised abroad are usually good at drawing. I thought that was an interesting comment.
@@loveArtnotFoodCould be influence, you get to experience more beyond your culture and sometimes locally if you live in a cultural melting-pot, for example say the USA or Canada. Note, I am saying this as a Nigerian who grew up in the EU.
It is precisely because of this rules , limitations and perceptions of male's sexuality and expressions i enjoy drawing men so much, not only because of my sexuality , althougjt It is the main reason why i enjoy the Male body. I dont like the Taboo around males being percieved as sexy and i personally decided to use this preference as a statement
I think putting irl sociopolitical views on what *can* be anything in art is a limiting angle to begin with. art is art, regardless of gender, you can put heels or anything else on ANYONE in art and that is why art is magical. It’s SUPPOSED to be able to go beyond reality.
Yoshitaka Amano really helped me to try and get out of that gender box when trying to draw. Also when I started listening to punk rock and its really had a freeing effect and i love having it influence me
As a Jamaican I had a proper laugh at us being the most self-policing. It's so damn true. Awesome pick with drawing Hobie, I often get called Spider Punk here in NYC lmao.
I think we just need to leave everyone alone and let them express themselves safely, but I know that's too optimistic Edit: you also mentioned art being seen as feminine: which is so odd because in all of my art history classes the scene is dominated by men. Did men historically so dislike having women take over another one of their fields that they demeaned art to such a point that it's now associated with women? That's a genuine question that I'd love to hear someone answer insightfully!!
Well the purpose of art has changed ever since. Before our was intertwined with science, plus it was very taxing. Not everyone was capable of being a ton of marble to their homes and carv, but thats what art was. Now art isnt as sophisticated and is kind of a time waster.
Yeah Idk what happened. It may be just my own experience but I definitely had a privileged upbringing - my highschool art teacher was phenomenal. So I still believe these perspectives are very common. Also, its not too optimistic. Its just that more people need to start talking. One side has hogged the mic for too long. Theres 100 more viewpoints that need to start being shared.
This man right here was born with 2 gifts, first, his hands which he uses to express the beauty that is art, and his voice, man oh man this man has such a damn good voice.
Artists and people on socials really be wilding these days. You can't draw anything, or not draw something, without being called out for doing so. Draw what you want, it's your art and should be about you only. Sharing your art online shouldn't be a reason for people to judge it or, worse, judge who you are. Touch grass, people, and enjoy art ! It's always gonna be a part of you so yeah, do what you want.
@@vorrdegard2176 I guess it's less easy when you get hundreds of comments about the same topic but yeah I do agree, the best you can do is to not give a shit. + those people are only real on social medias, if I dare to say. None of them will find us in the streets so why do we even care ? haha
This is such an insightful take. I've felt myself slowly drawing less and less men as my work became focused around feeding my audience with aesthetically pleasing prints. But this video made me really want to add men to my work and see the opportunity to showcase them in a softer light.
I think this video is incredibly valuable! thank you for sharing all this with us, very interesting and surprising to hear your side of how life has treated you as everything you are (male/artist/straight/Nigerian/etc) I personally knew people who were discouraged to pursue their art careers (like a Turkish/straight/muslim young man wanting to become a fashion designer for women's wear was brutally discoureged to go for his dream because they believed it will make him gay) it's sad to think how other people's immature/limited world views can put so much pressure on others' dreams. People are cruel 😔 on another note, another amazing art work! absolutely beautiful! 💖
Thank you for posting this. I know I’m just some internet stranger, but I am genuinely proud of you for taking the time to reflect on and process and unpack all these things. I’m a transgender woman and that’s made me reflect a lot on the differences in how men and women are expected to act and what all the societal expectations are. It was really surprising to me experiencing how women just regularly compliment each other and are open about their feelings by default. And it’s wild looking back at men’s clothing sections in retrospect. The variety of “choice” is just “hey which of these thirty shades of blue do you want your shirt in?” And even with so few clothing options you can’t even pick between like different cuts or styles of shirts, it’s all the same. Guys have it rough in a lot of ways. Anyway, this is all to say: thank you for candidly sharing your thoughts on this. And good job on working to unpack all this stuff, society fills us with so much deep-seated expectations and junk that takes a really long time to work through and unlearn.
Josh, this was an immaculate explanation. Appreciate you even more bro. Love the raw authentic narration. Also, I agree with most of the comments here, whatever you draw and whomever you draw, I'll always enjoy. Keep creating Fam! 🔥
You are so real for this video. I know you said in the beginning that you may be politically incorrect or harsh, but I don't think you were at any point, nor did I think you were being offensive for talking about men's lack of self-expression in today's society. You are completely spot on with that, and only the most radical, tunnel-visioned, and out of touch feminists would disagree with you. I haven't finished watching the whole video yet, but you've made so many absolutely excellent points so far. I am just like you in only really wanting to draw women, but I have branched out with some male characters. I do, however, make these male characters very self-expressive, due to my vision of what men should be able to do and how they should be able to look :D
I really appreciate this video. I relate so much to the black experiences you mentioned, I really did. I'm genuinely surprised to have this talked about. and I can tell you put a lot of thought into this. You've opened up a lot in this video and that's pretty significant. I super remember the bullying I endured for liking anime and my art was so devalued that when I left my sketchbook in class on accident once, some girl decided to color them in. And she just didn't understand how that could matter to someone. Hell it's been years and as an adult I'm still sometimes scared to *like* things because I grew up with sisters and peers that just shamed me for being "too white" or weird for liking anime like I did. I'm only now, at 25, sort of learning to let go. In recent years I'm having to open my mind back up to art as well. I had a long hiatus because I kept having people tell me what I should be drawing to be better and all it did was make me feel bogged down. I have to relearn being myself and just doing what I want. (Ironically people were complaining to me that I draw too many women as well, despite being a woman myself and just wanting to, y'know, relax. I can draw men I just didn't)
As a Scottish person, we don't wear skirts, they are Kilts, and we only wear them at events like weddings these days. It isn't normal to see someone walking around in a kilt.
As a heterosexual female who adores men, I have been painting women since I found my dads Playboys 30 years ago. Never thought of it as more pleasing to the eye as there are certainly many beautiful men in this world. I’m still not sure if this is the whole answer, but Bravo for putting it out there. Love you work and your content. 🙏🩵
FINALLY someone put it into words. i have been thinking about this exact thing since i was a kid, observing the ways we restrict men in terms of self expression and creative freedom, but not understanding why. never understanding why a woman could be a piece of art or a story, why a woman could be something beautiful and could live life for more things than just to fulfil something, but a man was to be plain, a drone who was meant to do nothing but serve a purpose and live to work. when did we decide men couldn't be beautiful? I've always found it odd how formal attire for a man was a suit and tie, and nothing more interesting than that. to be a bland sidepiece to all the women dressed in all colours, shapes, and forms (and glitter, society's worst crime was deciding glitter wasn't masculine enough, i will never forgive them for that one). acceptance from other humans is something we psychologically need, and for our society to have made men's self expression a reason to be ostracized, is just downright cruel. i am so thankful someone put all those thoughts into something coherent, because i've had this on my mind for so many years and never found anyone discussing it. i guess this is to say, it's no wonder why young men feel worthless, the world has shown them that they are not worthy of being art.
I think it's important to acknowledge the role of toxic masculinity and patriarchy in creating these standards, both for men and women, that women are the ones who have to look pretty because they are sexually objectified and largely only valued for their looks while the men historically in charge view other men as simply expendable bodies to send to war or work to death in mines, as well as putting each other down for displaying traits seen as feminine (wearing bright colors, sharing emotions/crying) because I guess being a women or anything like a woman was the worst thing a man could be lol. Anyways I could go on and on but yeah. And the women who subscribe to those ideals are also not feminists because they are following a patriarchal model of domination
You make an important point about expressing yourself authentically. Appreciated. In my personal experience, the first person (celebrity) I really understood to challenge our societal (and historically toxic) view of masculinity was Prince. He basically said this IS masculine. Heels and all. I don't know anyone that doesn't like or respect Prince. I'm getting more 80s hair metal vibes from Hobie. Motley crew maybe haha. It's is a purple vest though. Noticed the link to paperlike... Do you have a screen lamination comparison/review? The paperlike ones I have are the first ones I've tried so far. Glad they were available at best buy when i impulsively purchased my second hand ipad and needed the pencil etc asap. Has me thinking the good stuff might not be on the shelf like that though. Cheers bro keep making hits
You're so right about men and masculine expression being so limited. Partly why the only reason that I draw feminine men is because 1. I'm more attracted to feminine men than I am to either women or masculine men 2. it's so underrepresented, and I'd rather create something that doesn't already exist
I like to draw mostly men I guess in the way that artists like to draw women because the lack of male expression is so absent in media and it makes me feel like balancing it out
This was a great and accurate assessment. Yes, please continue to share your musings. You have me up before the sun with my brain working overtime. ❤ it! Thank you 😊
This is beautiful. I agree with a lot of your points, especially since I am from the us, I find that a lot of men are repressed in many aspects of expression. This inspires me to want to draw more men, (I’m not one) and to make them seem more in touch with all aspects of themselves. Thank you:)
Hope to see you make more stuff you enjoy in the future! I always love watching you draw. The podcast on top of the painting was really nice too. I would 110% watch it if you did another one like this!
It's kinda weird how men's clothing is now. Heels where actually men's apparel, they used to wear frills and lace, there was flowers on suspenders, and longjohns are displayed as pink. and in the 14th men were skirts and dress. Not anymore as time goes on "Men's clothes" get more and more bland, and easier to get labeled to feminine, even if the read is still man.
It's cultural. Back in ancient Greece the male body was celebrated. Cultures that are gynocentric celebrate the female form. Don't forget that until only recently women couldn't even go out in public much during their periods. They weren't thought of as virtuous and clean. There were symbols like the Madonna, the virgin Mary. But the common folk dumped their excrement into the streets right? Women also have equally silly looking protruding bits and bumps. It's not everyone that has a super model's body or a body builder's physique. We have a lot of sympathy for women who are even remotely girl-like, attractive, vulnerable. The inverse of that is... we don't think women are stronger than men. As a heterosexual male, of course you would be attracted to women. But if you let your attraction to women be an obsession, then maybe you're slave to vice. It's time we give some value to men. Not just as Marvel super heroes. There is absolutely no respect for the average man. We laugh as a man's suffering as a society. Why should our mothers be the only ones we care about? Why shouldn't our fathers matter? What about our sons? So if what you draw is 2D but one-dimensional in the type of subject or theme, that's just what it is. What you express through your artwork is what speaks about your imagination. It's how you communicate like a language. So you really only talk about women all the time. And you depict them in sexual poses. If that's how you make your money and your reputation then I don't see any shame in it. But it is limiting.
The male body has to be built like a god to be celebrated. Nobody celebrated the male body with a beer belly or an average Joe. He has to be Kratos build. Same goes for women in terms of beauty, but no woman can be as beautiful as Aphrodite, the Greek goddess of beauty, because she would get jealous of mortal women who end up more beautiful than her, so that's why they're cursed with aging.
I really appreciate your view on the cultural aspect! Thats definitely something I didn't think about - Greece is a great example. I don't agree however with alot of what you seem to be getting at afterwards though. "Its limiting" Why? What role do I have other than to be me? Why do we seem to have this expectation that everyone try everything out and be perfectly the same copy paste generalist? Its funny you say focusing on women is one dimensional, when women are 3d, and if you are spiritual then you can its endless lol. But No I simply don't like that direction of sameness we have been heading in. Its a trick, criticizing people for not doing EVERYTHING is going to REDUCE the variety of art in this world. Its up to the individual to raise up our own representation - not for others to do it for us. My hope is that more men push back against the boundaries, not for people who don't know our story to tell it for us in a shitty way any way.
Hey, I'm glad you feel I contributed something relevant. I take your point and I think it's valid. Just yesterday I was watching a video about focusing on one thing in order to be successful in business. Being good at everything would be amazing but I understand why focus is necessary. You chose a theme you love and you're sticking with it. @@ergojosh look, I draw. Or I used to and have to get back into it. I would also really appreciate the female form. I would create characters, and many of them were female. As a teenager I liked breasts! I couldn't imagine drawing anything else for a time. But when I wanted to create a comic book, I had to expand. I had limited myself to drawing mostly women. My culture is also gynocentric. Women above men. When the Titanic sank, women were the priority. You don't have any responsibility to me to do anything. So I'm not trying to shame you. But I feel very strongly that we don't give enough credit to men. So we both appreciate the female form and we both agree that men are not celebrated the same way or as much. And when art focuses on the female form so much as it does, we miss 50% of the human experience. Women are 3D? But they're one side of the coin. You said something about spirituality. The spirit in which I give and receive? That's very important to me actually. I'm not female. I understand that femininity isn't exclusively for women. A man can also be effeminate. But I express myself as a male. I happen to be very focused on details. I like quality. While brutality can create an exciting spectacle, it doesn't appeal to me intellectually. If a man has to be brutal and destructive by society's standards then of course he's not interesting. Like the character from Eric July's comic "ISOM". I think what my culture has allowed in terms of appropriate behavior and expectations of males is so limiting that "spiritually" it's just more freeing to draw women. That's what I'm talking about. Changing expectations so that men can also express themselves. In a way, the appeal of this movement against societal standards is the freeing of people from their gender roles. I don't agree with it though, but on the other hand painting all men as predators, as exploitative, brutal, it's not accurate of course. Or having to show men as dynamic to an extreme is exciting but sets an impossible standard.
When I was younger I didn't draw men because it was much easier to draw women, now that I am more experienced I enjoy drawing men way too much since I can finally do that and I don't care what is popular
I don't draw men... because I don't want to master drawing men... and what I want to master is as unique to me, as I am myself... it cannot be forced. Sometimes we are motivated to do work for the sake making a living, sometimes it's a desire to improve the world (to do meaningful work)... but to want to master something... is to imagine yourself at some point in the future being masterful at something - and for me that's producing the types of work that I recognise are technically difficult and emotionally provocative... men are easier to draw, and their expressions and body language never quite transport me like when I see a delicately rendered, intriguing female character. It's just how I am... and always have been.
@@hadrianhexe9603 What I want to master is as personal to me as who I want to date. I'm not trying to change the world or even make a living. There is merely a vision for what I want to be able to do masterfully... and that involves mostly the depiction of young attractive women in mundane settings. What I might want to master years from now might change. But no amount of preening or whining or arm-chair psychology can shame me out of wanting to look down at my creations and be proud of the technical accomplishment as well as be transported in the way that so many other formative artworks did to me. If you want to master a broader number of things then that's what 'you' want. I'm happy with my narrow focus (for now).
@@hadrianhexe9603 And I never said you were shaming me... I was talking in general, simply stating that no one can (just as I can't be shamed out of other key aspects and desires in my life).
As someone who draws, I don't care which gender you draw. As an artist, whatever you draw is art. You decide what you draw. It's YOUR art.
Well SAIDD
That’s a lie, you do care because that’s why you are here
@@theonetrueman666do you care?
You’re right, but what we wanted from this video is to analyze that, not to criticize it. I think we all should accept it’s his art, and he can draw whatever he wants.
Yess for me personally I just love to draw male, females, heck even some diverse characters mix together to make it of my OWN ART
Also I love how he chose to paint Hobie for this, cause Hobie and the spider verse animated movie series in general did a great job at depicting a more liberating view point for atractivo men. Hobie is just so beautiful.
I feel like it's also apropros because Hobie spent the movie saying what he was against while still participating in it. Lol.
Yes because the most thirsted character of the year; hyper masculine Miguel O’Hara, wasn’t a thing
Totally. This character choice (conscious or unconsciously) was probably recognition of his inner conflicts. Maybe Hobie is the kind of man he wish he was, but doesn't realize it. Only
@@incoglidowe all wish we were hobie
Interesting. As a female artist who mostly draws men, I find your perspective on this to be very valid and interesting. And yes, I have been inspired by KPop to draw men the way I do. Till date, I hear some of my friends ask “Is that a woman” when I draw a man with long hair and long eyelashes. It’s this stereotype around men and women in general that is a big hurdle to be crossed. Honestly, I’m grateful that as an artist I have the freedom to express the way I draw both genders from my perspective. No wonder I agree with Hobie a lot - I ain’t good with consistencies 😂
Thank you for expressing yourself in such an authentic way, Josh. You’re doing an amazing job. Keep going ❤
I also have been drawing men and I blame sports anime for making me draw beefy dudes lmao. Usually you draw whatever influences you or what you’re currently obsessed with.
I have a question, how is your audience supposed to know if the people you draw are men when you draw them androgynous ? Kinda like how they are draw Loki right now in marvel comics, the guy has a womans face, and simply equating people reaction to it as "your just old fashioned" is kinda frustrating.
@@Desert_Person well as far as I know Loki is a shape shifter, so they can be a bunch of different stuff including male, female and a horse. though I am not really too knowledgeable about Marvel lore, but in Norse lore the horse even gave birth...which... I wouldn't call that a new development. Norse lore has been around for a few centuries I guess. you must be very old if you call yourself old-fashioned in comparison to Norse mythology. ^^
First: is it really always important for the audience to know the gender of the character as long as the image communicates what it's supposed to communicate and serves the purpose it was supposed to serve.
Second: the people who are in the target group (i.e. for example shoujo anime and BL fans or K-pop fans) know what to look for. they are more used to the art style.
just like people see a stick figure with a "skirt" and immediately assume the stick figure is a woman, even though it doesn't look like a real-life person and doesn't show any anatomical correctness. just because we learned the "art style" of stick figures and how different attributes can mean a different demographic.
While some parts might be depicted more androgynous other stuff (like the adam's apple, broader, bigger hands and feet, broader shoulders and less narrow rib cage, narrow waist, small butt) might be even exaggerated depending on the style. once you know the style and what to pay attention to, I suppose it's not that hard to differentiate unless the artist actually wants to depict a non-binary person.
@@Desert_Person And what is wrong with being androgynous? People, mostly men, where praised and treated a lot better for being androgynous. Second, last I checked, men have eye lashes and I have known men to have long eye lashes. Having long eye lashes is not something only women have , to which most women don't even have long eye lashes to begin. Same with long hair. Men throughout different cultures and history had long hair. It was a status of being wealthy. And even told lots of men have long hair. Lots of mental bands and rock bands the men have long hair. If those 2 things make you confused and you can't tell what *sex a person is, that is on you. And again, who cares if you don't know if the character or person is supposed to be male or female. Why does that matter so much to know when you see a drawing?
Also, using Loki as an "example". Okay. Tell me you know nothing about norse mythology without telling me you know nothing about norse mythology. Of all the characters, you choose a known shapeshift trickster who enjoys doing random weird crap to through people off and get a reaction from them. You do know, that Loki turned into a female horse so he could have s*x with a male horse that caught his fancy and got pregant. Real mythology across the world, is crazy and wild. It gets watered down for people like you who are so sensitive to anything outside the "gender norms".
Just like him you can't get the opposite sex so you draw your fantasy men😂😂not creative extremely sad
As an blackman who was Goth in my youth, an artist, loves Rock and Metal, the color pink and so on, I so appreciate this video.~
Cheers m8!
What is a goth
@@vorrdegard2176gothic
@@vorrdegard2176It's a sub culture based around dark spooky things that came from gothic rock which inspired my gothic literature
I'm baby bat hi 😘
The male expression thing seriously needs to change. Let the dudes wear nice things, for god's sake! I went to see Barbie, and half the males in the room were exited to wear pink stuff. Looked great on most of them, too.
acceptable. i draw mostly men. I avoid drawing women since I'm having a hard time on drawing their female features unlike with men that i have expertise with. It's just preference.
Lately I’ve been confused and frustrated by some online people calling certain men “queer baiters” for wearing things not stereotypical to their gender, yet i don’t really see that for women? Maybe some of those men are doing more to “bait” than just clothing, but in terms of JUST clothing alone, i think it’s so ridiculous that “both” sides play into gender stereotypes in such weird ways. Men wearing tight short shorts used to be such a popular thing in the 80s by everyone, and now it’s either seen as queer by one side or HORRIBLE and emasculating by the other lol? As a straight female growing up in the late 90s, we were just called tomboys for wearing boys clothes. Generally I agree that women can really get away with wearing anything from experience. No doubt for some people it’s deeper than just clothes and I don’t want to dismiss real gender dysphoria, but for me and many people it’s just…clothes and hobbies we enjoy and don’t want to be seen in ways that have to have some deep or personal reason behind it.
I think, societal expectation and general view on masculinity and femininity definitely play a part in this. Yes, women has fought for many years to achieve a more equal place in the patriarchial society, but to actually gain the same respect and positions, they still are expected to take on some traditionally masculine traits or else they're likely to perceived as "weaker". The general population still, in some ways, believe that masculinity is something superior or more important than femininity. So imagine what the public would think when men or AMAB people want to express their femininity. They're often told that either they're: #1.Ãctually queer or queerbaiting , #2.Have a kink/fetish, #3. Mentally unstable.
There is too much politicizing in art. We have groups that we need to this or do that. That is too stifling and is a kind control/censorship in art. That is a bad thing in the long run.
There are expectations that society has set, with very good reason and must not be dismissed easily, but that doesn't mean it should dictate the creative individual.
Sad thing we see in the Film industry is going. That's why Hollywood is now in a creative bankruptcy.
@@Alextruong0912Seriously now.
ive seen some women called queer baiters once because they draw or act too friendly towards women which for some ppl implies a (sexual)relationship even if its actually jsut a close friendship
@@erenyeeagah204 Yeaah..the shipping community kinda just throws friendship out the window for everybody...really sad honestly.
I think it’s important to look at art history for a second: more specifically, how artists have criticized societal standards since forever. We’ve made comments on society, government, politics, etc. We’ve seen beauty captured in men by the Greek and Roman sculptures (and later when Da Vinci made a “too attractive” Lucifer statue and then his brother made an even more attractive one😂) and we’ve also seen more masculine women (think of propaganda from WW1 and WW2). Art is all about human expression so whichever gender/sex you use to express what you think or feel doesn’t really matter, most people won’t get the point anyway.
I personally like to use men when it comes to the softer more “feminine” emotions and situations and women for tougher “masculine” emotions. I like giving women a “masculine” rage and drawing men hugging each other and loving each other since it’s not “proper” in our society (which is really jank to me cuz like??? Everyone is gonna cry sometimes? Everyone is gonna get mad and want to destroy the world??). I also like conveying the stuff that should be behind closed doors for each gender 🤷♀️
That makes sense. Sincerely, a Lesbian.
Love that you probably just saw the title and commented this
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@@ninisky2706I literally watched the whole thing. You’re just making an assumption 👋🏻
@@ViciousAmbitious911 I think they're making a lighthearted joke
You are so fr for this. Sincerely, too a lesbian.
as a sensitive man that does art and is devoted to it. this video spoke to me on so many levels and i needed it. thank you bro
My pleasure! (please read that in a bri'ish accent)
harima is a very good example of who you really want to be/what society expects you to be
This was a very different video compared to what I've seen before, but nonetheless I felt this conversation was very authentic! You're certainly right about people working hard to invalidate themselves. Something that helped me massively was letting go of perfectionism and instead embracing my flaws. As I grew up, I started to realize that keeping facets of myself hidden wasn't smart or anything, it was cruel. Cruel to myself.
Once I started to branch out and open up about myself in a more healthy manner, the more I started to learn about myself and enjoy life. Whenever I used to look at my art, I'd always say "I hate this" but now I say "I can do better", since I've always seen art as an extension of myself, I internalized that as me saying "I hate myself", but now, I say "I'm not there....yet".
much love brother, I resonate with your point!
i like men
That's cool
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@@ghostly_nullity we like d1ks
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Hobie was the perfect guy to chose for this drawing.
Ikr? Drawing came first, then the video idea for the record.
As a straight man who draws both men and women, I usually like to add heavy fantasy traits like crazy outfits or even some body horror elements to make the gender irrelevant in my pieces. That gives me so much freedom - to just be able to make any gender look cool and extremely pleasing to look at by adding more detail where it is 'missing'.
When you started with "I wont be nice, I wont be politically correct" I got scared, that some big redpill bomb will explode here, but the overall message turned out to be impossibly based! Also your art is amazing, especially color palettes you choose for your renders!
Thank you so much for calling out the black community's extensive homophobia, like its BAD depending where you live and it sucks when you feel like you have to be careful the MOST around your own race.
I lol'ed at "you drawing these bltches but u not screwin' them". 😂 What a thing to say.
Eh, I'm going to push back on that a bit. Considering how much the queer community has appropriated from black women _who have been very accepting and welcoming of them into black spaces,_ perhaps you mean MEN in the black community.
Also, on that note, I have to wonder if the historical (and sometimes current) trauma perpetrated onto black male bodies in particular since being dragged unwillingly onto this continent has resulted in a heightened, almost phobic reaction nonheteronormative expressions.
You may disagree, but I found some of the concepts in literature like _The Delectable Negro_ and first-hand accounts from formerly enslaved people detailing the psychological warfare whites in the south would wage upon black males to achieve emasculation (colloquially, "Buck Breaking") via feminizing their appearance (forcing boys and men to wear skirts, or one-piece garments that resembled a nightgown similar to Geppetto in Disney's _Pinocchio,_ for most of the year, as example) worthy explanations for the visceral reactions still normalized today in our community when it comes to regarding the queer community.
I think the term "homophobia" is mostly misused in common vernacular, but in the case of the black community in The West, is an apt descriptor for segments of our group who've carried on generations of psychological trauma, as well as those brainwashed by the Western Church of Christianity's indoctrination.
This video hits way too close to home for me. I'm both a straight black American writer and and digital artist, so when it comes to masculinity and the arts in the black community, I've had two black adverse identities my entire life. I played football growing up, and I'll be the first to tell you that being black and gifted in something other than sports or rap can be a handicap. Being a big black dude who played ball all my life, I was seen as crazy for wanting to go to art college rather than playing football at university. I had more support than conflict though, so for me being black and creatively gifted was something that made me feel completely alienated. It's incredibly rare to see well established black writers or artists really out in the world to identify with. In fact the only one who comes to mind is Jean-Michel Basquiat (and him dying young and tragically didn't help). Seeing you out there being a UA-camr is actually a great source of inspiration for me personally.
I think one of the things you touched on that I've discovered is that black men just aren't allowed to be weird, to like something cute, to want beauty, to want to be heartfelt, or to be anything that will read as not 'hard'. I'm super lucky to have come from a rich white suburbs that was very progressive and not judgmental, but the moment I stepped outside into the real world I caught all of what you illustrated. Everything comes through the filter of bro armor. Everything has to be 'bro this, bro that', 'no homo', all this coded bravado without any of that nurturing intimacy. It's through this that as a writer I find it far easier to express my own feelings through female characters, and often times it will read as far more believable as well.
It certainly doesn't help we also live in a climate where calling out these things is somehow synonymous with tearing down women, or not listening to women, or not supporting women. It's no wonder to me why the manosphere and sites like OnlyFans, and all these other communities and companies are popping up, because you have whole scores of young men worldwide who are becoming lost and disenfranchised by this nonsense, and when it gets to that point, they become like Alfred said in Dark Knight; 'they just want to watch the world burn.' I think like anything the tides will begin to change, real positive masculinity can begin to emerge, and fathers and sons can begin to pick up the pieces of the wrong things that were taught to them and relearned through a more healthy lens. Talking about it is the first step, and you Mr. Ergo Josh, just helped with that. So thanks for making this video!
Np man Im super happy to know this reached you. And yeah I’ve come to understand that those things are simply distractions. People know right from wrong for the most part. I ignore people who try to twist my words or associate me with another group. They know what they are doing and so do I. It’s all just distraction.
Word of advice; If their not paying your bills, making love to you, related by blood or by your own choice, who cares what they think of you or what you do.
for me it came down to 2 things
1. I'm a woman so I'm more familiar with my own body
2. men's bodies are more "difficult" to draw. pecs, abs, muscles on the arms, legs, back. They tend to require much more referencing for me to get right.
I know so many women who are desperate to see men who express themselves more freely.
i draw men because they're hot + i have no idea how to draw women
thanks for coming to my ted talk
FACTS. its literally how i stay motivated
My man, everything you said here resonates with me so much! All my life, I've had people tell me I'm feminine, womanish, a sissy, or gay for the dumbest shit. I've literally had a woman tell me she thought I was gay because I wear eyeliner, the way I talk (no idea what she even meant), and because I didn't wanna have sex with her specifically. Even when I was performing masculinity my very hardest, it wasn't good enough for others.
Nowadays, I just don't have the energy to care anymore. I fully embrace my femininity, and I feel my masculinity is empowered through it! It's also how I realized I'm nonbinary. Going goth went a long way to helping me be who I really am, and that is why I appreciate Hobie so much. He is one of the few Black characters who has made me feel seen. He's an absolute rebel, he doesn't care what anyone else thinks, he's gonna be himself and do what he feels is right no matter what.
I love this gradually growing wave of men who are challenging patriarchal definitions of masculinity and no longer being afraid of being seen as weak. My hope is that other men will join this wave.
as someone who draws mainly men because he feel like he cant express himself in real life, all that you've just said hits incredibly close to home. You explained it so well! Keep doing what you're doing dude, you're an inspiration, truly
I've wondered about this for a very long time, in my work and other artists' work . And everything you're saying is so valid. Thank you for not holding anything back
As a female artist, I have always enjoyed more to draw women too.
On the other hand It's really good to see more and more men to realize that a toxic model of masculity ultimately hurt themselves. No matter how much feminism pushes for a change, things can only be better when men themselves work on a healtier self image and a healthier relationship to women.
I don't get your second point can elaborate miss plz ?
Not really. No one can univerally agree on what a healthy self image is. Otherwise it would be a simple decision. One man's trash is anothers treasure as they say
A healthier relationship to men and women! Men don't realize or willfully ignore how much the patriarchy hurts men and causes them to tear down fellow men, meanwhile modern feminism hasn't focused enough on that aspect either imo
just because guys find meaning in working out doesn't mean that all muscular guys are toxic.
i'd even go so far as to argue since that feminism is stretching way further then it should,
the "redpill" guys are gaining more attraction because so many men have been negatively impacted by the actions of women,
without doing anything bad, just hanging out with a women in a room, by themselves, a guy can be falsely accused of some really bad things,
and his future is potentially over, yet nobody thinks that's bad?
if you want to gain a bit more insight, "the red pill" documentary by Cassie Jay, it's an older one, but worth the watch
You are the problem.
I shouldnt say anything but after you just sat and watched a 30 minute video that goes directly over the consequences of woman saying *What you are saying now*..
I expect you to have a more thought out and self aware comment. Wake up to yourself.
“Dude you out here drawing all these bitches but you ain’t fuckin any of em?”
As a black male artist who grew up in a predominantly black area. I can confirm. This is exactly how it is lol.
I draw women because it’s just more appealing to me. I’ve learned not to neglect my responsibilities and also learn the human anatomy, but I choose to draw women. Besides, me personally, I don’t work in the industry. Art is a hobby for me. I should be able to draw whatever I want 🤷🏽♂️also,
I think this gave me inspiration for a video of my own 🤔
That first sentence cracked me up😂
Thanks for this talk! As a mother of two girls and a baby boy, a lot of what you mentioned here has been on my mind lately. Always wonderful to listen to you while working on art.
Weirdly enough as a female. I love drawing men. I find them more aesthetically pleasing. It might be because I'm attracted to them too. (I love your take on this)
as a woman, i really do empathize and understand your problem. however, i think that art is the perfect place to rebel and express such frustrations freely. art is freedom. absolutely draw anything you want (within moral reason LOL), but restricting yourself to not drawing men out of fear of backlash against your masculinity is almost doing art a disrespect. at the end of the day, you can draw whatever you enjoy drawing, because your art is your art :]
As someone that's aroace and primarily draws men, I get it.
5:40 yoo actually I feel like that's the reason I gravitate towards men in my drawings and writing. It's like there are more possibilities cuz nobody ever does them.
This. I draw both men and women, but I consider myself a "men enthusiast" because "my men" doesn't follow our real-life standards, and it feels pretty comforting seeing a man dressing whatever he likes, moving whatever he likes, etc.
It's great to draw men, and even better, OLD men! Why ? Because it's much easier, as a beginner, to learn how to draw a portrait with wrinkles, imperfections etc. than a beautiful woman's face straight out of the Pre-Raphaelite era. Planes of the face are also clearly more defined on men.
If I could go back 10 years, I'd draw a lot more old men like Rembrandt... And now I understand why.
excellent point
more interesting planes and shapes is exactly why a lot of woman's clothing (like lush, twirly historical dresses) looks more appealing to draw for me
As someone who was born with a couple of features that are considered feminine, I completely relate to you Josh! I’m more gravitated to clothing styles that would be considered feminine, and I am as Heterosexual as they come 😂… thanks for speaking up about this.. Making sure your expression is yours is very solid advise!! Welldone Josh!!!
Ayeee happy to hear it! You know you feel like you're the only person like you in the world sometimes...and that IS true to an extent, but reading comments like yours are what its all about.
@@ergojosh 🥹🥹 Thanks man.. More men need to get in touch with their feminine side sha
On my art journey I've learnt a lot, not just about art but things regarding life in general. And the thing about drawing freely and not caring what others think is really important. Even besides art learning to truly be yourself is really hard for a lot of people. And art has helped me do that. I'm still not where I want to be but I'm definitely in a better place than I was a year ago. And if we start restricting/policing art, the very thing that gives a lot of people a sense of freedom then what even is the point. Now there could be exceptions to this but generally speaking art is about freedom of expression to a lot of people. One thing that would be really good to do is to take a break from social media at least once a week. Forget about all the drama for a while. But I imagine for professionals like that wouldn't be an option as you really a lot on engagement from social media I imagine. Anyway just keep drawing and as long as we enjoy what we do we'll be fine.
This is such a healthy conversation to have!! Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts. Also, I love your voice and artworks, your anatomy knowledge is admirable!
Men's genitalia changes S they are present, descending and ascending, shrinking, and lengthening.
Woman round bits and genatils are fairly static unless in motion
I'm stoked that you are putting the spotlight on characters like Ekko and Hobie and why they are so amazing and cool. The world can't abandon these toxic ideals fast enough
P.s. love your accent
This video feels like one of the better videos regarding this topic, it talks about the problems men face without putting women down, or pushing the same stuff onto everyone, this video rocks.
Often people and artists want you to be authentic and be true to yourself… that is until your views conflict with theirs. Create what you want. Thanks for the video
A lot of what he said about the societal expectations of men are very true. The same forces that oppress women, also imposes this crap on men. Being "unemotional" and not being able to freely express yourself outside masculine stereotypes is about as "un-artistic" as you can get. With male visual expression, you reach the end of the rope rather quickly. You even have some men *finally* complaining about this, too.
Dude watching you draw just showed me the gap in my art abilities and a true professional. There's like 7 times I thought u were done with the piece and you just kept going!💀 Adding more and more creative and intricate detail. AND IM ONLY 11 MINUTES IN!!
Its also very fitting you chose to draw Hobbie while discussing the topic you discussed. I dont know if it were intentional or just because Hobbie is popular at the moment and u wanted to capitalize on that fact, but Hobbie as a character, represents sticking it to the man. He kinda-- more so than miles, represents being yourself, not giving into societies ways of limiting you or controlling you, and sticking up for what right despite all the politics behind it. A true Rebel
Bruh I was STRUGGLIN for alot of this but I appreciate it haha. It just flows that way. This is the time, theres a reason Hobie exists now, and I exist now. This is the direction we are moving in. Across the Spiderverse was extremely inspiring for me.
Great, high quality video, as always! A very mature analysis of today's society. It's hard to break out of the role you are "supposed to be in", growing up in a toxic environment or society that judges you permanently. As long as it is not harmful to anybody, people should just be allowed to live their life the way they want to, without having to justify themselves for each and every "off-role" thing they do.
Just for the record - I don't know if it has been mentioned before in the comments - the video you were referring to talking about the press conference is a satire video from years back, published by The Onion. So it's not a "real" video, just trending right now. I fell for it too, until I saw a comment on that video mentioning it and doing some research myself. Doesn't change the message of your video by any bit, however!
Keep up the good work Josh!
I'm bi, but very rarely draw men (trying to change that though😭) I think you're right on women being more socially acceptable to draw in more creative and expressive ways. Whenever I think of drawing a man, my mind kind of draws a blank on how I could draw a man in a way that is as interesting as I can draw women, especially when it comes to hair, clothing, and poses. But I guess I just need to be more creative and seek out more inspiration so I can build on that visual library, maybe push a few boundaries etc.
I'd say just don't assign gender to any of it, the hair, the clothing, the poses, etc and work from that.
Its so rare to see such a raw expression of emotions and thoughts in a youtube video of all places. I really enjoyed it.
summary of the video : Because he cant.
Do you find yourself, as a black male, getting scrutinized for certain subject matters aside from perceived male masculinity/feminity? I drew a portrait with horns and conservatives came out of the woodwork to criticize and claim I was feeding into "devil worship". Like damn, can't a brother just make aesthetically pleasing art?
Yup. But most people figure out things don’t apply to me pretty quickly these days and keep quiet.
I love how real you are LMAO Respect 😂😂😂
big respect for expressing yourself and being honest; I think a lot of people feel the same way and will continue to explore these ideas with time. Cheers Josh, you're continually a legend
I really love hearing you talk about your experiences and your perspective, it's not quite the direction I thought it was eye opening and I appreciate it. I'm a quite shy individual and have been really timid about expressing myself, both in person and in my artwork; overly conscious of what I produce for fear of others disapproval. I shouldn't but it's so easy to psych yourself out, or give into the pressure of others. So in a round about way, I can really relate to this talk.
As a black male American you hit the nail on the head with this...plenty of the experiences you've mention I've also gone through while studying illustration in University and even life. Down to the "no homo" or "pause." I love watching your vids and this was one of my favs. Keep up the good work bro
You're Nigerian! 🎉 Me too. You said you were African and I was wondering, could he be Nigerian? Very informative video. I remember going to school in Nigeria, and one of my classmates (Nigerian like myself) said to me: Nigerians raised abroad are usually good at drawing. I thought that was an interesting comment.
That's interesting! Can you explain why? Or how does that work?
@@loveArtnotFoodCould be influence, you get to experience more beyond your culture and sometimes locally if you live in a cultural melting-pot, for example say the USA or Canada. Note, I am saying this as a Nigerian who grew up in the EU.
Really?
It is precisely because of this rules , limitations and perceptions of male's sexuality and expressions i enjoy drawing men so much, not only because of my sexuality , althougjt It is the main reason why i enjoy the Male body. I dont like the Taboo around males being percieved as sexy and i personally decided to use this preference as a statement
this painting is stunning geeze
I think putting irl sociopolitical views on what *can* be anything in art is a limiting angle to begin with. art is art, regardless of gender, you can put heels or anything else on ANYONE in art and that is why art is magical. It’s SUPPOSED to be able to go beyond reality.
Yoshitaka Amano really helped me to try and get out of that gender box when trying to draw. Also when I started listening to punk rock and its really had a freeing effect and i love having it influence me
As a Jamaican I had a proper laugh at us being the most self-policing. It's so damn true. Awesome pick with drawing Hobie, I often get called Spider Punk here in NYC lmao.
I think we just need to leave everyone alone and let them express themselves safely, but I know that's too optimistic
Edit: you also mentioned art being seen as feminine: which is so odd because in all of my art history classes the scene is dominated by men. Did men historically so dislike having women take over another one of their fields that they demeaned art to such a point that it's now associated with women?
That's a genuine question that I'd love to hear someone answer insightfully!!
Well the purpose of art has changed ever since. Before our was intertwined with science, plus it was very taxing. Not everyone was capable of being a ton of marble to their homes and carv, but thats what art was. Now art isnt as sophisticated and is kind of a time waster.
Yeah Idk what happened. It may be just my own experience but I definitely had a privileged upbringing - my highschool art teacher was phenomenal. So I still believe these perspectives are very common. Also, its not too optimistic. Its just that more people need to start talking. One side has hogged the mic for too long. Theres 100 more viewpoints that need to start being shared.
This man right here was born with 2 gifts, first, his hands which he uses to express the beauty that is art, and his voice, man oh man this man has such a damn good voice.
Artists and people on socials really be wilding these days. You can't draw anything, or not draw something, without being called out for doing so. Draw what you want, it's your art and should be about you only. Sharing your art online shouldn't be a reason for people to judge it or, worse, judge who you are. Touch grass, people, and enjoy art ! It's always gonna be a part of you so yeah, do what you want.
Or just don't give a f about them
@@vorrdegard2176 I guess it's less easy when you get hundreds of comments about the same topic but yeah I do agree, the best you can do is to not give a shit. + those people are only real on social medias, if I dare to say. None of them will find us in the streets so why do we even care ? haha
The more I get to know you, the more I appreciate you bro. Love these videos.
@@mascarademermelada8746 Ai bro
This is such an insightful take. I've felt myself slowly drawing less and less men as my work became focused around feeding my audience with aesthetically pleasing prints. But this video made me really want to add men to my work and see the opportunity to showcase them in a softer light.
I think this video is incredibly valuable! thank you for sharing all this with us, very interesting and surprising to hear your side of how life has treated you as everything you are (male/artist/straight/Nigerian/etc) I personally knew people who were discouraged to pursue their art careers (like a Turkish/straight/muslim young man wanting to become a fashion designer for women's wear was brutally discoureged to go for his dream because they believed it will make him gay) it's sad to think how other people's immature/limited world views can put so much pressure on others' dreams. People are cruel 😔 on another note, another amazing art work! absolutely beautiful! 💖
Thank you for posting this. I know I’m just some internet stranger, but I am genuinely proud of you for taking the time to reflect on and process and unpack all these things.
I’m a transgender woman and that’s made me reflect a lot on the differences in how men and women are expected to act and what all the societal expectations are. It was really surprising to me experiencing how women just regularly compliment each other and are open about their feelings by default. And it’s wild looking back at men’s clothing sections in retrospect. The variety of “choice” is just “hey which of these thirty shades of blue do you want your shirt in?” And even with so few clothing options you can’t even pick between like different cuts or styles of shirts, it’s all the same. Guys have it rough in a lot of ways.
Anyway, this is all to say: thank you for candidly sharing your thoughts on this. And good job on working to unpack all this stuff, society fills us with so much deep-seated expectations and junk that takes a really long time to work through and unlearn.
Josh, this was an immaculate explanation. Appreciate you even more bro. Love the raw authentic narration. Also, I agree with most of the comments here, whatever you draw and whomever you draw, I'll always enjoy. Keep creating Fam! 🔥
You are so real for this video. I know you said in the beginning that you may be politically incorrect or harsh, but I don't think you were at any point, nor did I think you were being offensive for talking about men's lack of self-expression in today's society. You are completely spot on with that, and only the most radical, tunnel-visioned, and out of touch feminists would disagree with you. I haven't finished watching the whole video yet, but you've made so many absolutely excellent points so far. I am just like you in only really wanting to draw women, but I have branched out with some male characters. I do, however, make these male characters very self-expressive, due to my vision of what men should be able to do and how they should be able to look :D
I really appreciate this video. I relate so much to the black experiences you mentioned, I really did. I'm genuinely surprised to have this talked about. and I can tell you put a lot of thought into this. You've opened up a lot in this video and that's pretty significant.
I super remember the bullying I endured for liking anime and my art was so devalued that when I left my sketchbook in class on accident once, some girl decided to color them in. And she just didn't understand how that could matter to someone. Hell it's been years and as an adult I'm still sometimes scared to *like* things because I grew up with sisters and peers that just shamed me for being "too white" or weird for liking anime like I did. I'm only now, at 25, sort of learning to let go. In recent years I'm having to open my mind back up to art as well. I had a long hiatus because I kept having people tell me what I should be drawing to be better and all it did was make me feel bogged down. I have to relearn being myself and just doing what I want. (Ironically people were complaining to me that I draw too many women as well, despite being a woman myself and just wanting to, y'know, relax. I can draw men I just didn't)
As a Scottish person, we don't wear skirts, they are Kilts, and we only wear them at events like weddings these days. It isn't normal to see someone walking around in a kilt.
This goes hard.
I wish the male anatomy would get more love the same way the female anatomy does. Both of them are unique and beautiful in their own way.
I’ve been looking for this take. Thank you.
As a heterosexual female who adores men, I have been painting women since I found my dads Playboys 30 years ago. Never thought of it as more pleasing to the eye as there are certainly many beautiful men in this world. I’m still not sure if this is the whole answer, but Bravo for putting it out there. Love you work and your content. 🙏🩵
idc i love both woman and men 🗿
FINALLY someone put it into words. i have been thinking about this exact thing since i was a kid, observing the ways we restrict men in terms of self expression and creative freedom, but not understanding why. never understanding why a woman could be a piece of art or a story, why a woman could be something beautiful and could live life for more things than just to fulfil something, but a man was to be plain, a drone who was meant to do nothing but serve a purpose and live to work. when did we decide men couldn't be beautiful? I've always found it odd how formal attire for a man was a suit and tie, and nothing more interesting than that. to be a bland sidepiece to all the women dressed in all colours, shapes, and forms (and glitter, society's worst crime was deciding glitter wasn't masculine enough, i will never forgive them for that one). acceptance from other humans is something we psychologically need, and for our society to have made men's self expression a reason to be ostracized, is just downright cruel. i am so thankful someone put all those thoughts into something coherent, because i've had this on my mind for so many years and never found anyone discussing it. i guess this is to say, it's no wonder why young men feel worthless, the world has shown them that they are not worthy of being art.
Yep. In. a world where men are celebrated for what they can do/provide, its gonna be pretty bad if we ostracize half of the things a masn can create.
I think it's important to acknowledge the role of toxic masculinity and patriarchy in creating these standards, both for men and women, that women are the ones who have to look pretty because they are sexually objectified and largely only valued for their looks while the men historically in charge view other men as simply expendable bodies to send to war or work to death in mines, as well as putting each other down for displaying traits seen as feminine (wearing bright colors, sharing emotions/crying) because I guess being a women or anything like a woman was the worst thing a man could be lol. Anyways I could go on and on but yeah. And the women who subscribe to those ideals are also not feminists because they are following a patriarchal model of domination
I feel so much of this. I appreciate you being so candid! This is important.
nah bru your impressions are crazy good.
This video commentary had me shocked as I was rollin' in laughter and provocative thought. Thanks Josh!
He droppppsss I’m kinda upset you didn’t record this with a British accent the whole time 😂
You make an important point about expressing yourself authentically. Appreciated. In my personal experience, the first person (celebrity) I really understood to challenge our societal (and historically toxic) view of masculinity was Prince. He basically said this IS masculine. Heels and all. I don't know anyone that doesn't like or respect Prince. I'm getting more 80s hair metal vibes from Hobie. Motley crew maybe haha. It's is a purple vest though.
Noticed the link to paperlike... Do you have a screen lamination comparison/review? The paperlike ones I have are the first ones I've tried so far. Glad they were available at best buy when i impulsively purchased my second hand ipad and needed the pencil etc asap. Has me thinking the good stuff might not be on the shelf like that though.
Cheers bro keep making hits
Loved how raw and real this was. You the one bro!!!
"Describe it as raw and real, I'm dealin' with all the ills, I'm tearin' up like I'm on Dr. Phil" - Denzel Curry "WALKIN"
My dude Denzel knows whats up!! Just finished my part on TenHuns biggest art collab. Really wish it went to you bro!!@@ergojosh
thanks man, I'm feeling so good after this podcast
You're so right about men and masculine expression being so limited. Partly why the only reason that I draw feminine men is because 1. I'm more attracted to feminine men than I am to either women or masculine men 2. it's so underrepresented, and I'd rather create something that doesn't already exist
Dude, this was so good! You're killin it with these vids.
Thanks a ton!
I love how well thought out your talk was! Just subbed
I like to draw mostly men I guess in the way that artists like to draw women because the lack of male expression is so absent in media and it makes me feel like balancing it out
This is fantastic, man. Thanks for sharing. It resonates deeply.
Bro, I was listening to this while going to sleep right. The "Why are you gae" made burst out laughing and now I can't fall back to sleep fmll
😅 hahahahaha
17:10 It's interesting how majority of artists in the past were predominantly men artists, but now it's completely vice versa
this is one of the best videos ive ever seen
would be amazing if you do more of these i was studying anatomy and it was really calming to listen
This was a great and accurate assessment. Yes, please continue to share your musings. You have me up before the sun with my brain working overtime. ❤ it! Thank you 😊
This is beautiful. I agree with a lot of your points, especially since I am from the us, I find that a lot of men are repressed in many aspects of expression. This inspires me to want to draw more men, (I’m not one) and to make them seem more in touch with all aspects of themselves. Thank you:)
This is really awakening to the fact that I care too much about appearance, when I take pride in not caring, thanks for pointing this out!
Hope to see you make more stuff you enjoy in the future! I always love watching you draw. The podcast on top of the painting was really nice too. I would 110% watch it if you did another one like this!
Thank you so much!
when "last touches" is 95% of your time drawing xD
love the art and your ideas dude. you're right to follow your own path is the only way forward.
It's kinda weird how men's clothing is now. Heels where actually men's apparel, they used to wear frills and lace, there was flowers on suspenders, and longjohns are displayed as pink. and in the 14th men were skirts and dress. Not anymore as time goes on "Men's clothes" get more and more bland, and easier to get labeled to feminine, even if the read is still man.
It's cultural.
Back in ancient Greece the male body was celebrated.
Cultures that are gynocentric celebrate the female form.
Don't forget that until only recently women couldn't even go out in public much during their periods.
They weren't thought of as virtuous and clean.
There were symbols like the Madonna, the virgin Mary. But the common folk dumped their excrement into the streets right?
Women also have equally silly looking protruding bits and bumps.
It's not everyone that has a super model's body or a body builder's physique.
We have a lot of sympathy for women who are even remotely girl-like, attractive, vulnerable.
The inverse of that is... we don't think women are stronger than men.
As a heterosexual male, of course you would be attracted to women.
But if you let your attraction to women be an obsession, then maybe you're slave to vice.
It's time we give some value to men.
Not just as Marvel super heroes.
There is absolutely no respect for the average man.
We laugh as a man's suffering as a society.
Why should our mothers be the only ones we care about?
Why shouldn't our fathers matter?
What about our sons?
So if what you draw is 2D but one-dimensional in the type of subject or theme, that's just what it is.
What you express through your artwork is what speaks about your imagination.
It's how you communicate like a language.
So you really only talk about women all the time.
And you depict them in sexual poses.
If that's how you make your money and your reputation then I don't see any shame in it.
But it is limiting.
The male body has to be built like a god to be celebrated. Nobody celebrated the male body with a beer belly or an average Joe. He has to be Kratos build. Same goes for women in terms of beauty, but no woman can be as beautiful as Aphrodite, the Greek goddess of beauty, because she would get jealous of mortal women who end up more beautiful than her, so that's why they're cursed with aging.
I really appreciate your view on the cultural aspect! Thats definitely something I didn't think about - Greece is a great example. I don't agree however with alot of what you seem to be getting at afterwards though. "Its limiting" Why? What role do I have other than to be me? Why do we seem to have this expectation that everyone try everything out and be perfectly the same copy paste generalist? Its funny you say focusing on women is one dimensional, when women are 3d, and if you are spiritual then you can its endless lol. But No I simply don't like that direction of sameness we have been heading in. Its a trick, criticizing people for not doing EVERYTHING is going to REDUCE the variety of art in this world. Its up to the individual to raise up our own representation - not for others to do it for us. My hope is that more men push back against the boundaries, not for people who don't know our story to tell it for us in a shitty way any way.
Hey, I'm glad you feel I contributed something relevant.
I take your point and I think it's valid.
Just yesterday I was watching a video about focusing on one thing in order to be successful in business. Being good at everything would be amazing but I understand why focus is necessary. You chose a theme you love and you're sticking with it.
@@ergojosh look, I draw. Or I used to and have to get back into it.
I would also really appreciate the female form. I would create characters, and many of them were female. As a teenager I liked breasts! I couldn't imagine drawing anything else for a time. But when I wanted to create a comic book, I had to expand. I had limited myself to drawing mostly women.
My culture is also gynocentric.
Women above men. When the Titanic sank, women were the priority.
You don't have any responsibility to me to do anything. So I'm not trying to shame you. But I feel very strongly that we don't give enough credit to men. So we both appreciate the female form and we both agree that men are not celebrated the same way or as much. And when art focuses on the female form so much as it does, we miss 50% of the human experience. Women are 3D? But they're one side of the coin.
You said something about spirituality.
The spirit in which I give and receive?
That's very important to me actually.
I'm not female. I understand that femininity isn't exclusively for women. A man can also be effeminate.
But I express myself as a male. I happen to be very focused on details. I like quality. While brutality can create an exciting spectacle, it doesn't appeal to me intellectually. If a man has to be brutal and destructive by society's standards then of course he's not interesting. Like the character from Eric July's comic "ISOM". I think what my culture has allowed in terms of appropriate behavior and expectations of males is so limiting that "spiritually" it's just more freeing to draw women.
That's what I'm talking about.
Changing expectations so that men can also express themselves.
In a way, the appeal of this movement against societal standards is the freeing of people from their gender roles. I don't agree with it though, but on the other hand painting all men as predators, as exploitative, brutal, it's not accurate of course. Or having to show men as dynamic to an extreme is exciting but sets an impossible standard.
@@ergojosh I prefer to draw and create female characters in video games like Street Fighter 6.
@@mikejohn29mj that's a good analysis or summary of Greek mythos.
Thanks for that.
When I was younger I didn't draw men because it was much easier to draw women, now that I am more experienced I enjoy drawing men way too much since I can finally do that and I don't care what is popular
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I don't draw men... because I don't want to master drawing men... and what I want to master is as unique to me, as I am myself... it cannot be forced.
Sometimes we are motivated to do work for the sake making a living, sometimes it's a desire to improve the world (to do meaningful work)... but to want to master something... is to imagine yourself at some point in the future being masterful at something - and for me that's producing the types of work that I recognise are technically difficult and emotionally provocative... men are easier to draw, and their expressions and body language never quite transport me like when I see a delicately rendered, intriguing female character. It's just how I am... and always have been.
And you don't think that maybe, you're thinking about men in a very close minded way?
@@hadrianhexe9603 What I want to master is as personal to me as who I want to date. I'm not trying to change the world or even make a living. There is merely a vision for what I want to be able to do masterfully... and that involves mostly the depiction of young attractive women in mundane settings. What I might want to master years from now might change. But no amount of preening or whining or arm-chair psychology can shame me out of wanting to look down at my creations and be proud of the technical accomplishment as well as be transported in the way that so many other formative artworks did to me. If you want to master a broader number of things then that's what 'you' want. I'm happy with my narrow focus (for now).
@@StuartDesign No one is shaming you, I'm just going off of what you said and asking a question about it.
@@hadrianhexe9603 And I never said you were shaming me... I was talking in general, simply stating that no one can (just as I can't be shamed out of other key aspects and desires in my life).
@@StuartDesign OK cool
This is so much better than any discussion of the "racist triangle".
i can’t agree more with you. lovely video ❤️❤️❤️