Pro tip: You don't have to buy a new iPad every year, I'm still using a 2nd generation ipad pro (2017) and apple pencil (the crappy one with the charge thing on the back) for professional work, I didn't feel left out (as if I'm still playing with a super nintendo), I didn't check for new ipads for 8 years and now feels like a good time to upgrade my old tool, with the money I earned with it. And I hope this new one last for 10 years. So I'm all in with your non-consumerist message 🙌
Oh God, i too use the same ipad pro 12.9 2017 model. It works great even now. I never felt slow. I use apps -> procreate , apple notes, goodnotes, notability, crafts, notion, luma fusion etc etc , i never felt any dead slow. Very rarely it hangs for few seconds, but thats okay for me, it nothing big deal to wait for fraction of seconds. I dont feel the need for upgrade since am the PRO works i do it in my M3 macbook pro . FCP, Logipro feels great working in a Macbook pro than in the ipad. So, not required for upgrade to new ipad models for me.
Agreed! I have the 7th gen iPad (not pro). I WISH I didn’t have to upgrade it but it’s starting to have technical issues. I want to upgrade it before it completely shuts down & I lose all my files but if it wasn’t having these issues I’d keep it forever.
Well Josh - i can’t thank you enough for bringing up a bunch of points most other UA-camrs (myself included) don’t even consider - and all of them hugely important Thank you again, as always
I love the new iPad with Pencil Pro, but I only upgraded because it was time to move on from my 2018 iPad Pro. Apple 100% could have made the pencil backwards compatible. Apple is great at making people part with their money. Rumors also stating the iPad Pro 13 512/256 models with 8 gigs ram actually have 12 gigs of ram; so did Apple honestly turn off 4 gigs to not compete with the 16 gig option? Apple has been doing shady shit for years. I never once heard anyone say they thought the previous models were too thick LMAO - They could have put in a larger battery, or better speakers or both. But reality is, it's probably cheaper to make it thinner than add larger capacity battery or better audio etc so they made it a feature. It's not really a feature. The nano texture glass sounds great but Apple didn't market this for artists... so we will see. I'm going to get a paper like and let others beta test that for me ;-)
If you have thinner device the thermal envelope is smaller. That’s why making devices thicker makes them better at long running tasks. So it works exactly opposite of what you said. Just pointing that out
Lucid pixel just did a review on it and he said after 2 hours it's cold to the touch. It doesn't get hot at all compared to the 2022 iPad but he said that's because of the efficiency of the M4 chip causes less overheating@@jameselrick6698
@@jameselrick6698Tests have shown it. Not only did they improve the cooling with a better heat sink, the M4 is also more efficient. It’s able to achieve the performance the M2 chip using only half the power
You nailed it. With this strategy of releasing features that are tied to buying a new iPad, its keeps people like me on the bench. Still on a 2018 because apple has sent me a message that if I upgrade, I’m going to miss out on the next major feature. They already did this with the hover feature. Now it’s barrel roll. What’s next? At this point, you can go with the lower end model because you will never realize the m4 potential.
I made my upgrade from the 2015 12.9 inch iPad Pro, smart keyboard and 1st gen Apple Pencil to the m2 11 inch iPad Pro with the magic keyboard and the 2nd Apple Pencil. I’m not upgrading for at least another 5 to 7 years!
iPad software hasn’t changed much in a decade beyond a few exceptions, what exactly is the hardware keeping up with? 🤣 And I’m an animator so I actually use nomad sculpt, zbrush, things that require the hardware, and even then it’s pretty superfluous
I think that you should only upgrade if you have a very old iPad and also depending on your needs. If you have iPad Pro 2017 then it might be time and for some 2018 users it also may be the right time to upgrade. But 2020-2022 iPad Pro’s were definitely so good that for MOST people it wouldn’t be worth it unless you really NEED one of the new features. Also if you have money then just go buy it rich boy.
lol I have a 2022 12.9 M2 iPad Pro that I’m selling to get the M4 11” iPad Pro. I like the display and the the raw power of the M4 for what is upcoming at WWDC from Apple
LOL - rich boy. 😂 I ain't rich by any measure, but I also want to know that I'm investing in the best that I can afford for my needs. I've spent too many years being cheap, buying old outdated gear and paying dearly for it afterwards. I'm doing things differently now lol.
As someone who's had to buy 2 m2 iPads in 2023, I was surprised at the m4s ( Mainly because of the fact that they skipped m3). As soon as MKBHD talked about how the new Apple pencil was basically exclusive to the m4 and the amount of power that the m4 has compared to what apps can actually take advantage of said power. That really got me.
Loved your last statements about thoughtful design. I've never found myself personally being too mad about the iPads being the same every year because it just makes sense. The iPads have some of the best designs for a tablet in general. Maybe design is not the right word. Maybe it's "look". 👏🏿. Great video as usual Josh. 👏🏿
Josh I went from the M1 iPad Pro to the M4 iPad Pro with Apple Pencil Pro. And one of the greatest things about the upgrade is the screen doesn’t get nearly as hot. I would say it doesn’t get hot at all.
you are part of the reason I got my ipad pro. It made digital drawing so much more accessible for me. I had to sell a bunch of stuff to get it so I'm not upgrading until this thing blows up in my face lmao.
I’ve got an iPad Air 3 for music production. It’s got a small crack in the screen but it still works. I saved up money and put it away. As soon as my 2019 iPad Air stops working I will buy an regular iPad. It’s better than my current iPad Air 3 and I don’t need to buy another pencil. But till that day, I’m having fun with my iPad Air 3.
this will be my first ipad, i think its excellent tool for my work and will be an excellent tool for next 10 years. no matter what features newer ipads will provide in the future
Ipads are really expensive in the country I live, but I'm having a lot of fun using the old 9th Gen.... which works great with Clip Studio Paint! It doesn't limit the number of layers (like procreate does) or the size of the canvas (I'm able to do 8k on 9th gen Ipad), the only complain I really have is screen size, wish it was bigger.
I have the M2 12.9 with Magic Keyboard and alot of cases..I wanted to upgrade to the m4, but then I have to buy everything new… So I’m literally sitting here asking myself is oled and camera placement really worth an extra basically $1500+ cases…
My same question. Same iPad m2 pro roaring along pretty good. I hope Apple crunches numbers and notices how many people refuse to upgrade. Even if they debut a split touch screen MacOs device, pricing alone plus iPad Pros in use will equal another market misjudgment. Build the road and they will come? Not in the next 12 months.
It’s quite obvious apple knows people don’t upgrade every year and I suspect this is not for M2 iPad Pro users. I’m coming from a 2018 pro 12.9 and I mainly use for casual and some pencil drawing. I also always said I’d wait till OLED.
I personally am holding off until a larger iPad model comes out. I don't see the point in upgrading when the iPad power itself hasn't changed much. I'd also like to note in previous iPad models, it was actually worth increasing storage of the iPad because the larger storage devices had better RAM. I just confirmed this with live Apple chat: The devices with 1TB and 2TB storage have 16gb of RAM and the others have only 8gb of RAM. Thankfully, you can still get a plain glass screen instead of the nano texture. From what I've read on other accounts on Reddit, the nano texture doesn't really make any difference in the drawing texture itself, so it'll probably be best for folks to get the regular glass screen.
I am still using the 11" M1 iPad Pro (without hover) and needless to say "due for an upgrade" I am still not shelling out $1200 for the new iPads, no matter how badly I want barrel roll... and I REALLY want barrel roll. Give it a year and I bet they will upgrade the Gen 2 pencil to the new Pro Pencil with the same magnet location. If anything I would upgrade to an M2 12.9" but I am not even doing that. The prices for even older generation tech are just ridiculous right now. Apple is going to price themselves out of the digital art market except for the high end professionals. Which thanks to AI art people are either abandoning en masse as a career choice or being made redundant by corporate down-sizing. BTW. I LOVE the BeeJayDel Apple Pencil Grip Pro! Been using it for a few years now and it has completely redefined the way I hold my pencil. Much more comfortable.
The one main thing I am unhappy with Apple is they did not state clearly that the 1tb models comes with 16gb ram. I got the base model thinking it’s just storage difference. I am pretty angry about their sneakiness because it might mean there is higher chance I need an upgrade in the future. Though as an amateur in drawing it probably won’t impact me as much. Anyway I know this sound like sales or Apple fanatic , but I swear I am not. I am just a satisfied customer. I can pretty much tell you M4 chip is as smooth as butter. I had iPad Air 3 and it’s starting to get on my nerve drawing just line arts. I wasn’t happy with iPad Air 3 in the first place either, just not satisfying product to do even basic illustration. But, this iPad m4 really blew me. With this iPad I even played games on it and I am so so happy with it. It doesn’t heat up and stay at almost room temp. The Pencil pro is sooo sexy (usage wise) and I am falling in love with it. As a professional artist like yourself I highly recommend you to get it. You won’t be disappointed with this investment.
Hey. I am thinking about new M4 Pro with Pencil pro. I would be very thankful for suggestions about SSD size - should I buy 512 or 256 will be enough for procreate and concept-art? I want to use it for a long time without change for new one. Thanks for suggestions!
I just upgraded last year after my old iPad Pro wasn’t working anymore and am super mad that the new Apple Pencil is not backward compatible to hardware that just came out a bit more than a year ago!! So frustrating, I only wanted the new pencil…
Agree with you. I was happy thinking I could just buy the pencil and use it on my almost new (bought it last autumn) M2 12,9-inch iPad. Definitely, I'm not going to change the iPad just for the pencil and the new Procreate squeeze capabilities.
U was speaking facts and I have the m2 iPad Pro so right now I’m not going to get the new one as of yeah I will wait until the Apple Pencil get a way more advancement technology which is a great big upgrade and I feel that just squeezing the Apple Pencil isn’t enough for me to kick out all that money for that as a artist just my opinion.
18:47 is a video about Artists and money coming soon ? I'm saving up for that sweet overkill of an ipad with the nano screen . .dose anyone recommend specific storage or is better to get cloud ?
My bf bought it for me and I’m loving it. HOWEVER the employee was trying to convince us to get the air instead to save our pockets. He explained that it’s a little less mods for a lot less money. I wanted the pro just for procreate but I’m a little upset that the squeeze on the Apple Pencil pro doesn’t work on procreate yet. It’s not much different from my 2020 iPad Pro, other than the screen looks better, and it feels more like a Mac then before. Idk its def an amazing product but it’s def not worth the $1,700 we dropped for both the iPad and Apple Pencil pro.
I truly agree Josh . Why not have find my on all accessories Mac as the prices are set at a premium. This was not a just a design choice I believe there was another objective .
I WISH THE PRO PENCIL WAS BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE. I don't want to upgrade my m1 air just to get barrel roll I used to have it on my now sold cintiq and I miss the expressive strokes and precise edge control I could do with it.
I personally bought this new iPad as a upgrade for my 2017 MacBook Air. Honestly, I already was renting the first gen iPad Pro and it was great but there was the issue with performance. Now I had the new iPad Pro rented for a week and honestly, I already purchased the big iPad Pro 2024 from my neighbor country and I'll be driving there next week and collecting my order. It'll be my laptop replacement. I found out with my rental, smaller iPad Pro 2024 that I'm ready to fully switch from MacBook Air to the iPad and use it for doing my art for my patreon, edit pictures from my DSLR for my Oldtimer spotting Instagram page and the battery life was amazing. However, it sucks that the Magic Keyboard still sucks. This makes me use my DIY mechanical keyboard, which is kinda sucks because after testing the magic keyboard, I got a review unit of the Logitech Combo Keyboard for the new iPad Pro and it was like 1000% better than the keyboard from Apple. However, I had to return it but when it comes out for my big iPad Pro, I'll be immediately ordering it. It was amazing, it gave me better angles than the Magic Keyboard had and the price will be worth the purchase (I can't say how much it'll cost in Euro but it'll be cheaper than the Magic Keyboard). When it comes to nano texture screen on the iPad Pro, it'll be almost impossible to use a screen protector with it. Also, did I say that I was using the iPad Pro in my car with my Xbox Series X as a external display? I don't know if it was possible before but on my rental iPad Pro 2024 I was able to game on it with very small latency.
Hello Josh, I agree with you on the Apple Pencil Pro should have been designed to work with both the older iPad Pro's and New iPad Pro's and iPad Airs, they should have found a way to engineer a way to work with both models.
Watching this as I'm drawing on my 2015 iPad Pro haha This is the only Apple product I was willing to buy (with the pen obviously), and the way Apple approaches business and their customers, there's no way I'd buy any of their newer products for those ridiculous prices. The tablet I have was used to begin with. You really don't need the newest products to get by perfectly fine
Not one to tell you what you spend your money on. But I personally think it would’ve been better for you to have upgraded from m1 to m4 and skipped m2. The performance gains with m4>m2 are the biggest weve seen with m series iPads. And the tandem oled offers insane consistent brightness and efficiency. This is probably the worst generation you could’ve skipped out on not even mentioning all the Apple Pencil improvements. But I understand you’ve basically got to stick with your m2 now.
Pencil incompatibility on M2 pro iPad, bad move. They could’ve sold a lot of those Pro pencils. The magnets for charging sit further apart on both the 2024 pro and its Pro pencil to accommodate placement of the front facing/Facetime camera. The pairs on last gen iPad Pro and 2nd gen pencil are situated at either end of that indicator etched to show us where to sit our pencil. That strip on iPad m2 pro is 2.25mm long equals the same distance between those two magnets. That indicator strip itself is not magnetic. Question: is there a way to charge the Apple Pencil Pro and the 2nd Gen Pencil on a wireless or MagSafe device? Then could Apple implement a way for the iPadOS To recognize both? Please, 😂😂😂😂😂 10:21 copper logo in m4 pro iPad plus inside its body, Apple engineered heat dissipation. For m2 pro, thanks for sharing your diy external md.
The Pencil Pro is the 3rd Gen, Apple is just playing at semantics and it’s gonna bite them in the ass when they eventually allow the mini and the base iPad to use the Pencil Pro down the line. It’s already weird that it works with the Air M2 and confusing to an average consumer who would assume Pro Pencil goes with Pro iPad.
I bought an engraved one when I saw M2 on the compatibility only to realize it was iPad Air, had to return it. Really sketchy that it’s not backwards, not worth the upgrade if that was their hope.
Hey Josh. Always love your videos! I have to be honest... the only significant change I have always wanted Apple to make when it comes to the iPad Pro, would be to release a 17 inch version! (I do not care how thin they make them... I just want more acreage!) Not sure why Apple hates the number 17? lol. I owned their 17 inch MacBook Pro for years, and have never truly forgiven them for doing anyway with them.
I am fine with my M1 as I mostly use it to draw and I stay a majority of my other art time on my pcs. also I would have to put down near $760.00 just to begin a payment plan.
If you've never owned an ipad at all which do you recommend? Leaning towards Pro M4 but for that price point with just added speakers and OLED isn't worth it to me. Might go with air.
I personally would love to upgrade to the M4 iPad Pro, I have an underpowered 2017 iPad with low storage, typing in one right now. It was fine for notes in high school but now that I’m making more art, I can’t really do lots of layers in my current iPad which is annoying. On the flip side, I rely much more on desktop apps, so I feel like I’d rather wait for Apple’s M4 MacBook Pros to release. Hopefully by then I’d have saved up enough money from working to easily get a MacBook Pro. I love the iPad Pro for drawing but I can do much more on a MacBook Pro, and more variety of apps, so I’m waiting for that. Maybe one day I may get an iPad Pro M4 when I saved up enough. Pretty much what I’m saying is that I don’t really have that big of a budget. I usually hold on to my tech devices for 6+ years anyway or even longer since they’re powerful and work really well.
I’d love to get a 15” iPad Pro. But I think as I go more professional I’m settled on a Samsung 2 in 1 16”. The variety of quality Wacom styluses and much larger drawing area. I’m going PC.
I did the same thing. I bought mine on sale. Literally for the same price of an apple pencil and iPad pro. It's bigger especially in portrait position. It actually does pro stuff.
I bought the M4 because I've actually never had an iPad. But the Nano texture was so expensive. I couldn't justify it so I just went with the base model. I live in Canada so it was like $3,500 or something. I wasn't going to spend that much. You have to be intelligent about these things and live within your budget. But you are a professional artist, aren't you? So you must have some kind of income. But if you don't really need it, I guess don't buy it. But if you do need it, you just got to bite the bullet and spend that money. If you think the new pencil and the new features will benefit you and it will make your work fully easier, you should definitely get it.
Yep. I was all onboard for a new iPad. I passed up the m1 and the m2. So I am due. That price tag tells me not right this minute. Let me wait. Let them work out any kinks. Maybe the next one. The good thing about iPad is they last long enough we can do that. Lol.
Great video I’m considering it. I’m an illustrator still using my 2018 3rd gen with a cracked screen. Have been waiting for the upgrade. So thinking maybe it’s worth it? I see the new pencil isn’t backward compatible, but is the 2nd gen pencil forward compatible?
I've been contemplating getting an iPad for being able to travel with my art & work, but I've been having difficulty deciding which model to choose. I agree that the specs seem a little overkill considering what the applications can actually do. It seems like an M2/M3 chip is already fantastic. Is it really worth getting an M4 for a first time user? 🤔
First time user? Yes, because of the Apple Pencil Pro alone. You'll be just like the people who bought the 2018 iPad and enjoy it for the next 6 years with no issues!
Don’t worry about overkill, worry about function for your own life. I’m still on a 2020 pro and won’t upgrade until at least the next model - they build these for longevity, Ergojosh really said it well. Wait until WWDC in a couple weeks and see what Apple announces. Some are hoping for a new Mini which might suit you for travel. Don’t get pressured by all the hype, even the base iPads are fantastic and only lack certain specs for specific uses.
It's a really good device, generally speaking. If u never had one, it could be a good investment. You don't need the top model of ipad, last generation ipad Air (which is the mid-range) had the best price-quality balance.
@@RedErin I like the sound of that plan, and exactly, this has been my way of thinking lately. Funnily enough I got a new M2 Mini Pro last year after the one that I had for 5 years finally burnt out on me so I know exactly what you mean. I like to pack light though so I felt that the iPad would logistically be easier to travel with than another Mini.
What I hate is the Apple Pencil Pro is compatible with both the new iPad Pro and the new Air model but the Apple Pencil 2 is not. So if you don't get the Apple Pencil Pro the only option you're left with is the new usb-C version which is a downgrade from the Apple Pencil 2.
the M4's are night and day when it comes to heating up while using procreate lol. The M4 feels like it's been off even after hours of use as where both my M2's would heat up almost instantly while using procreate. Definitely worth the upgrade !
Wonderful points for consumers to consider that can be applied to so many products when we decide to purchase or not. Thoughtful, insightful and conscientious. Thank you.
The console market business model makes no sense for the iPad Pro. The need for modern display, I/O, and color tech for creative professionals and other prosumers benefits from far more frequent updates than what consoles manufacturers do.
exactly i feel like always buying new one is a wast of money , i dont think i woud make better drawing with a better ipad , but more about how i used it and my own fundamental and way of drawing
Uhh yeah a new Vid on ur Setup would go hard! Love to see what u customized in Detail! Btw im also sticking to my (3 Months old) M2 Ipad Pro. Got it for a good Price and it will last long enough, M4 sounds interesting but also its way to much money for nearly the same i can do and "need" now.
After watching it suxks that they did that to you with the pencil but the phones have a cámara problem between pro and standard i wish they did more things like what you did to your iPad for gamers we would pay for what you did
I got mine cause my beloved very first gen iPad Pro died last year…I’ve been waiting for the new update m4. I’m gonna be honest, I hate that I have to worry about the bending problem…I already paid a lot for an iPad, and I will need to pay more to protect it. it’s so annoying…I bought your product to solve my problem not bring more…but who cares…apple doesn't…I have to buy it anyway considering I don’t have any other options if I’m an artist. 😔Just so sad and annoyed they should do their job right, and design a product that can live longer and has fewer problems to worry about. I also have iMac Pro…it got screen problems too…gosh…it is too much to handle.
If I wouldn't have bought the last ipad pro I woud get the air 13" one now, as it's aaalmost the same :) bc I kinda hate the idea of an oled screen on the ipad anyway (I feel like the burn in woyld show up for artists anyways and it'a huge deal for us 😅 and I love the screen quality on the last one :))
I just want to be able to use an apple pencil on an iPhone 😭 and for procreate to have apple cloud integration so i can work on my pieces between ipad and iphone without airdropping all the damn time
They are a trillion dollar public company, all they care is having more sales than the previous year, constant growing. The thing is like you said, technology has become so good that you don't need to upgrade often. That's where planned obsolescence comes, Microsoft did it with windows 11 asking for ridiculous specs only the newest motherboards have to make people upgrade laptops, and Apple does it with every product. The "Pro" moniker has nothing professional about it, an OLED screen is not a pro feature in 2024, squeeze and brush rotation, again, nothing pro about it, every regular non professional person that just wants to draw need those features. Pro just means we remove features and create a new category to make you pay more, just like the automobile industry has done for decades.
I’ll be keeping my m1 for quite a few years more, and when I do upgrade I’ll likely give the m1 to an artistic family member. These things last FOREVER
I would love to buy the new oled ipad, but it's very hard to justify the several hundred dollar upgrade from my M1 Air. Once my battery life goes to shit then I'll probably upgrade, by then there might even be a next generation oled ipad.
Pro tip: You don't have to buy a new iPad every year, I'm still using a 2nd generation ipad pro (2017) and apple pencil (the crappy one with the charge thing on the back) for professional work, I didn't feel left out (as if I'm still playing with a super nintendo), I didn't check for new ipads for 8 years and now feels like a good time to upgrade my old tool, with the money I earned with it. And I hope this new one last for 10 years. So I'm all in with your non-consumerist message 🙌
Im using the 10 gen😂😂😭
Oh God, i too use the same ipad pro 12.9 2017 model. It works great even now. I never felt slow.
I use apps -> procreate , apple notes, goodnotes, notability, crafts, notion, luma fusion etc etc , i never felt any dead slow. Very rarely it hangs for few seconds, but thats okay for me, it nothing big deal to wait for fraction of seconds.
I dont feel the need for upgrade since am the PRO works i do it in my M3 macbook pro . FCP, Logipro feels great working in a Macbook pro than in the ipad. So, not required for upgrade to new ipad models for me.
Exactly what I’m using and it’s amazing!!
Yep, using the same one from 2017. Works for me!
Agreed! I have the 7th gen iPad (not pro). I WISH I didn’t have to upgrade it but it’s starting to have technical issues. I want to upgrade it before it completely shuts down & I lose all my files but if it wasn’t having these issues I’d keep it forever.
Well Josh - i can’t thank you enough for bringing up a bunch of points most other UA-camrs (myself included) don’t even consider - and all of them hugely important
Thank you again, as always
I appreciate artists appreciating each other. Love the community
I love the new iPad with Pencil Pro, but I only upgraded because it was time to move on from my 2018 iPad Pro. Apple 100% could have made the pencil backwards compatible. Apple is great at making people part with their money. Rumors also stating the iPad Pro 13 512/256 models with 8 gigs ram actually have 12 gigs of ram; so did Apple honestly turn off 4 gigs to not compete with the 16 gig option? Apple has been doing shady shit for years. I never once heard anyone say they thought the previous models were too thick LMAO - They could have put in a larger battery, or better speakers or both. But reality is, it's probably cheaper to make it thinner than add larger capacity battery or better audio etc so they made it a feature. It's not really a feature. The nano texture glass sounds great but Apple didn't market this for artists... so we will see. I'm going to get a paper like and let others beta test that for me ;-)
I have no tablet at all, I wish they kept it thicker. More support that way. Don’t want a bending screen from the start.
@@podzstealzboardzsame here. I'll upgrade only when the software is no longer supported.
Lol I’m still rocking an iPad 6th gen base model with an Apple Pencil 1st gen…
I think I might need to upgrade soon lol 😂
@@ZinoAmareyeah even the older pros bend way to ez...
Magnets just wouldn’t happen with the camera placement.
Like maybe if they moved stuff around but I doubt it.
I'm still yet to get use to no hair Josh.
I heavily enjoy your videos very entertaining!
It’s totally working aesthetic-wise with the VO style
Glad you like them!
He is Morpheus.
If you have thinner device the thermal envelope is smaller. That’s why making devices thicker makes them better at long running tasks. So it works exactly opposite of what you said. Just pointing that out
Almost glad I have the m2 11 inch iPad Pro that is thicker.
M2 gets hotter
@@lewisoates5689on what grounds? Do you have any evidence 😂
Lucid pixel just did a review on it and he said after 2 hours it's cold to the touch. It doesn't get hot at all compared to the 2022 iPad but he said that's because of the efficiency of the M4 chip causes less overheating@@jameselrick6698
@@jameselrick6698Tests have shown it. Not only did they improve the cooling with a better heat sink, the M4 is also more efficient. It’s able to achieve the performance the M2 chip using only half the power
You nailed it. With this strategy of releasing features that are tied to buying a new iPad, its keeps people like me on the bench. Still on a 2018 because apple has sent me a message that if I upgrade, I’m going to miss out on the next major feature. They already did this with the hover feature. Now it’s barrel roll. What’s next? At this point, you can go with the lower end model because you will never realize the m4 potential.
I made my upgrade from the 2015 12.9 inch iPad Pro, smart keyboard and 1st gen Apple Pencil to the m2 11 inch iPad Pro with the magic keyboard and the 2nd Apple Pencil. I’m not upgrading for at least another 5 to 7 years!
iPad software hasn’t changed much in a decade beyond a few exceptions, what exactly is the hardware keeping up with? 🤣 And I’m an animator so I actually use nomad sculpt, zbrush, things that require the hardware, and even then it’s pretty superfluous
FREE CONGO!! 🇨🇩
I think that you should only upgrade if you have a very old iPad and also depending on your needs. If you have iPad Pro 2017 then it might be time and for some 2018 users it also may be the right time to upgrade. But 2020-2022 iPad Pro’s were definitely so good that for MOST people it wouldn’t be worth it unless you really NEED one of the new features.
Also if you have money then just go buy it rich boy.
lol I have a 2022 12.9 M2 iPad Pro that I’m selling to get the M4 11” iPad Pro. I like the display and the the raw power of the M4 for what is upcoming at WWDC from Apple
@@mhmphotography400 we don’t know what’s coming
Agreed, this is for pre-M1 owners like me and my 2017 that won’t get the next os update.
@@goudendynamiethd2117what about iPad 10 gen?
LOL - rich boy. 😂
I ain't rich by any measure, but I also want to know that I'm investing in the best that I can afford for my needs. I've spent too many years being cheap, buying old outdated gear and paying dearly for it afterwards. I'm doing things differently now lol.
As someone who's had to buy 2 m2 iPads in 2023, I was surprised at the m4s ( Mainly because of the fact that they skipped m3).
As soon as MKBHD talked about how the new Apple pencil was basically exclusive to the m4 and the amount of power that the m4 has compared to what apps can actually take advantage of said power. That really got me.
that's exactly my story down to the last detail.... are you me ?
@@Unknown-2. Yes
I can relate to the part being broke
That’s what I thought. He should just say he’s broke. It’s all good. We all are 🤷🏼♂️😂
I can afford it right now, but I'm watching a ton of reviews before I push that button 😂
Loved your last statements about thoughtful design.
I've never found myself personally being too mad about the iPads being the same every year because it just makes sense. The iPads have some of the best designs for a tablet in general. Maybe design is not the right word. Maybe it's "look". 👏🏿.
Great video as usual Josh. 👏🏿
Josh I went from the M1 iPad Pro to the M4 iPad Pro with Apple Pencil Pro. And one of the greatest things about the upgrade is the screen doesn’t get nearly as hot. I would say it doesn’t get hot at all.
Why did you Upgrade?
I did the same as well I’m pretty freakin happy with my choice 😃
@@dark_nightwing_xl2797because he feel like it that’s what
@@dark_nightwing_xl2797i upgrade my 11 inch iPad Pro m1 to m4 and I’m freaking happy with my m4 OLED 😃
you are part of the reason I got my ipad pro. It made digital drawing so much more accessible for me. I had to sell a bunch of stuff to get it so I'm not upgrading until this thing blows up in my face lmao.
Facts and you can transfer your stuff to iPhone ect
ERGO! I bought your procreate brushes around 4 years ago and your Pen Pencil is still my main sketching tool. Thanks for that!
I’ve got an iPad Air 3 for music production. It’s got a small crack in the screen but it still works. I saved up money and put it away. As soon as my 2019 iPad Air stops working I will buy an regular iPad. It’s better than my current iPad Air 3 and I don’t need to buy another pencil.
But till that day, I’m having fun with my iPad Air 3.
I’m still using my Apple Air 3 too. Don’t need the pencil.
this will be my first ipad, i think its excellent tool for my work and will be an excellent tool for next 10 years. no matter what features newer ipads will provide in the future
Ipads are really expensive in the country I live, but I'm having a lot of fun using the old 9th Gen.... which works great with Clip Studio Paint! It doesn't limit the number of layers (like procreate does) or the size of the canvas (I'm able to do 8k on 9th gen Ipad), the only complain I really have is screen size, wish it was bigger.
I have the M2 12.9 with Magic Keyboard and alot of cases..I wanted to upgrade to the m4, but then I have to buy everything new… So I’m literally sitting here asking myself is oled and camera placement really worth an extra basically $1500+ cases…
My same question. Same iPad m2 pro roaring along pretty good. I hope Apple crunches numbers and notices how many people refuse to upgrade. Even if they debut a split touch screen MacOs device, pricing alone plus iPad Pros in use will equal another market misjudgment. Build the road and they will come? Not in the next 12 months.
It’s quite obvious apple knows people don’t upgrade every year and I suspect this is not for M2 iPad Pro users. I’m coming from a 2018 pro 12.9 and I mainly use for casual and some pencil drawing. I also always said I’d wait till OLED.
I’ve got the 5th gen 12.9inch Pro. It works perfectly fine, it’s a great device, and I won’t upgrade until I absolutely have to.
Your videos are always very informative, and you got that smooth as butter voice too.
I personally am holding off until a larger iPad model comes out. I don't see the point in upgrading when the iPad power itself hasn't changed much.
I'd also like to note in previous iPad models, it was actually worth increasing storage of the iPad because the larger storage devices had better RAM. I just confirmed this with live Apple chat: The devices with 1TB and 2TB storage have 16gb of RAM and the others have only 8gb of RAM.
Thankfully, you can still get a plain glass screen instead of the nano texture. From what I've read on other accounts on Reddit, the nano texture doesn't really make any difference in the drawing texture itself, so it'll probably be best for folks to get the regular glass screen.
I am still using the 11" M1 iPad Pro (without hover) and needless to say "due for an upgrade" I am still not shelling out $1200 for the new iPads, no matter how badly I want barrel roll... and I REALLY want barrel roll. Give it a year and I bet they will upgrade the Gen 2 pencil to the new Pro Pencil with the same magnet location. If anything I would upgrade to an M2 12.9" but I am not even doing that. The prices for even older generation tech are just ridiculous right now. Apple is going to price themselves out of the digital art market except for the high end professionals. Which thanks to AI art people are either abandoning en masse as a career choice or being made redundant by corporate down-sizing. BTW. I LOVE the BeeJayDel Apple Pencil Grip Pro! Been using it for a few years now and it has completely redefined the way I hold my pencil. Much more comfortable.
The one main thing I am unhappy with Apple is they did not state clearly that the 1tb models comes with 16gb ram. I got the base model thinking it’s just storage difference. I am pretty angry about their sneakiness because it might mean there is higher chance I need an upgrade in the future. Though as an amateur in drawing it probably won’t impact me as much.
Anyway I know this sound like sales or Apple fanatic , but I swear I am not. I am just a satisfied customer. I can pretty much tell you M4 chip is as smooth as butter. I had iPad Air 3 and it’s starting to get on my nerve drawing just line arts. I wasn’t happy with iPad Air 3 in the first place either, just not satisfying product to do even basic illustration. But, this iPad m4 really blew me. With this iPad I even played games on it and I am so so happy with it. It doesn’t heat up and stay at almost room temp. The Pencil pro is sooo sexy (usage wise) and I am falling in love with it.
As a professional artist like yourself I highly recommend you to get it. You won’t be disappointed with this investment.
Because the 2022 iPad Pro is excellent, and it does not suffer from a *grainy* *screen* .
I’m happy with my 2nd gen iPad Pro 11 inch 🙂
Hey. I am thinking about new M4 Pro with Pencil pro. I would be very thankful for suggestions about SSD size - should I buy 512 or 256 will be enough for procreate and concept-art?
I want to use it for a long time without change for new one. Thanks for suggestions!
I just upgraded last year after my old iPad Pro wasn’t working anymore and am super mad that the new Apple Pencil is not backward compatible to hardware that just came out a bit more than a year ago!! So frustrating, I only wanted the new pencil…
Agree with you. I was happy thinking I could just buy the pencil and use it on my almost new (bought it last autumn) M2 12,9-inch iPad. Definitely, I'm not going to change the iPad just for the pencil and the new Procreate squeeze capabilities.
U was speaking facts and I have the m2 iPad Pro so right now I’m not going to get the new one as of yeah I will wait until the Apple Pencil get a way more advancement technology which is a great big upgrade and I feel that just squeezing the Apple Pencil isn’t enough for me to kick out all that money for that as a artist just my opinion.
18:47 is a video about Artists and money coming soon ? I'm saving up for that sweet overkill of an ipad with the nano screen . .dose anyone recommend specific storage or is better to get cloud ?
My bf bought it for me and I’m loving it. HOWEVER the employee was trying to convince us to get the air instead to save our pockets. He explained that it’s a little less mods for a lot less money. I wanted the pro just for procreate but I’m a little upset that the squeeze on the Apple Pencil pro doesn’t work on procreate yet. It’s not much different from my 2020 iPad Pro, other than the screen looks better, and it feels more like a Mac then before. Idk its def an amazing product but it’s def not worth the $1,700 we dropped for both the iPad and Apple Pencil pro.
I truly agree Josh . Why not have find my on all accessories Mac as the prices are set at a premium. This was not a just a design choice I believe there was another objective .
Great video, as usual.
It must feel good to Inspire so many people.
I WISH THE PRO PENCIL WAS BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE.
I don't want to upgrade my m1 air just to get barrel roll
I used to have it on my now sold cintiq and I miss the expressive strokes and precise edge control I could do with it.
Just barrel roll? No it has squeeze function which is a game changer
For a second I thought it was Nana Addo on the thumbnail. Lol
How dare you...I'm Nigerian xD
@@ergojosh 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I personally bought this new iPad as a upgrade for my 2017 MacBook Air. Honestly, I already was renting the first gen iPad Pro and it was great but there was the issue with performance. Now I had the new iPad Pro rented for a week and honestly, I already purchased the big iPad Pro 2024 from my neighbor country and I'll be driving there next week and collecting my order. It'll be my laptop replacement. I found out with my rental, smaller iPad Pro 2024 that I'm ready to fully switch from MacBook Air to the iPad and use it for doing my art for my patreon, edit pictures from my DSLR for my Oldtimer spotting Instagram page and the battery life was amazing.
However, it sucks that the Magic Keyboard still sucks. This makes me use my DIY mechanical keyboard, which is kinda sucks because after testing the magic keyboard, I got a review unit of the Logitech Combo Keyboard for the new iPad Pro and it was like 1000% better than the keyboard from Apple.
However, I had to return it but when it comes out for my big iPad Pro, I'll be immediately ordering it. It was amazing, it gave me better angles than the Magic Keyboard had and the price will be worth the purchase (I can't say how much it'll cost in Euro but it'll be cheaper than the Magic Keyboard).
When it comes to nano texture screen on the iPad Pro, it'll be almost impossible to use a screen protector with it.
Also, did I say that I was using the iPad Pro in my car with my Xbox Series X as a external display? I don't know if it was possible before but on my rental iPad Pro 2024 I was able to game on it with very small latency.
Hello Josh, I agree with you on the Apple Pencil Pro should have been designed to work with both the older iPad Pro's and New iPad Pro's and iPad Airs, they should have found a way to engineer a way to work with both models.
You over clocking the new iPad would be fun i would love to see a water cooled version to boost it more
Watching this as I'm drawing on my 2015 iPad Pro haha This is the only Apple product I was willing to buy (with the pen obviously), and the way Apple approaches business and their customers, there's no way I'd buy any of their newer products for those ridiculous prices. The tablet I have was used to begin with. You really don't need the newest products to get by perfectly fine
Not one to tell you what you spend your money on. But I personally think it would’ve been better for you to have upgraded from m1 to m4 and skipped m2. The performance gains with m4>m2 are the biggest weve seen with m series iPads. And the tandem oled offers insane consistent brightness and efficiency. This is probably the worst generation you could’ve skipped out on not even mentioning all the Apple Pencil improvements. But I understand you’ve basically got to stick with your m2 now.
You are so right in hindsight. More than you know lol.
but at the same time, ive never used my ipad more than in the past year so I made the most of it.
@@ergojosh yep was not expecting a giant glued on copper brick on the back of your iPad 😭
Pencil incompatibility on M2 pro iPad, bad move. They could’ve sold a lot of those Pro pencils.
The magnets for charging sit further apart on both the 2024 pro and its Pro pencil to accommodate placement of the front facing/Facetime camera. The pairs on last gen iPad Pro and 2nd gen pencil are situated at either end of that indicator etched to show us where to sit our pencil. That strip on iPad m2 pro is 2.25mm long equals the same distance between those two magnets. That indicator strip itself is not magnetic.
Question: is there a way to charge the Apple Pencil Pro and the 2nd Gen Pencil on a wireless or MagSafe device? Then could Apple implement a way for the iPadOS To recognize both? Please, 😂😂😂😂😂
10:21 copper logo in m4 pro iPad plus inside its body, Apple engineered heat dissipation. For m2 pro, thanks for sharing your diy external md.
M4 chip with IpadOS it's such a overkill... I want to upgrade mi iPad Air to a 13" iPad, but I think I'm going for the previous pro
The Pencil Pro is the 3rd Gen, Apple is just playing at semantics and it’s gonna bite them in the ass when they eventually allow the mini and the base iPad to use the Pencil Pro down the line. It’s already weird that it works with the Air M2 and confusing to an average consumer who would assume Pro Pencil goes with Pro iPad.
I bought an engraved one when I saw M2 on the compatibility only to realize it was iPad Air, had to return it. Really sketchy that it’s not backwards, not worth the upgrade if that was their hope.
Hey Josh. Always love your videos! I have to be honest... the only significant change I have always wanted Apple to make when it comes to the iPad Pro, would be to release a 17 inch version! (I do not care how thin they make them... I just want more acreage!) Not sure why Apple hates the number 17? lol. I owned their 17 inch MacBook Pro for years, and have never truly forgiven them for doing anyway with them.
I am fine with my M1 as I mostly use it to draw and I stay a majority of my other art time on my pcs. also I would have to put down near $760.00 just to begin a payment plan.
If you've never owned an ipad at all which do you recommend? Leaning towards Pro M4 but for that price point with just added speakers and OLED isn't worth it to me. Might go with air.
M4 or the M2 air hands down. the iPad is an extremely versatile device, you wont regret buying your first.
The biggest difference is M4 has a better cooling system, so it won’t get hot. M2 is still a good choice.
I personally would love to upgrade to the M4 iPad Pro, I have an underpowered 2017 iPad with low storage, typing in one right now. It was fine for notes in high school but now that I’m making more art, I can’t really do lots of layers in my current iPad which is annoying. On the flip side, I rely much more on desktop apps, so I feel like I’d rather wait for Apple’s M4 MacBook Pros to release. Hopefully by then I’d have saved up enough money from working to easily get a MacBook Pro. I love the iPad Pro for drawing but I can do much more on a MacBook Pro, and more variety of apps, so I’m waiting for that. Maybe one day I may get an iPad Pro M4 when I saved up enough. Pretty much what I’m saying is that I don’t really have that big of a budget. I usually hold on to my tech devices for 6+ years anyway or even longer since they’re powerful and work really well.
I’d love to get a 15” iPad Pro. But I think as I go more professional I’m settled on a Samsung 2 in 1 16”.
The variety of quality Wacom styluses and much larger drawing area.
I’m going PC.
I did the same thing. I bought mine on sale. Literally for the same price of an apple pencil and iPad pro. It's bigger especially in portrait position. It actually does pro stuff.
I bought the M4 because I've actually never had an iPad. But the Nano texture was so expensive. I couldn't justify it so I just went with the base model. I live in Canada so it was like $3,500 or something. I wasn't going to spend that much. You have to be intelligent about these things and live within your budget. But you are a professional artist, aren't you? So you must have some kind of income. But if you don't really need it, I guess don't buy it. But if you do need it, you just got to bite the bullet and spend that money. If you think the new pencil and the new features will benefit you and it will make your work fully easier, you should definitely get it.
Yep. I was all onboard for a new iPad. I passed up the m1 and the m2. So I am due. That price tag tells me not right this minute. Let me wait. Let them work out any kinks. Maybe the next one. The good thing about iPad is they last long enough we can do that. Lol.
I still use my 2018 ipad its fine. But i am curious about pro but a bit over priced.
omg omg you got loish book! you always made my day special! thanks
This is fascinating, every video you make is amazing ☺☺
He didn’t mention about the Mura effect that make you see pixels on screen
What ipad would you recommend if I'm planning to draw digital for first time?
iPad 10 its 300 now and its fast
Great video
I’m considering it. I’m an illustrator still using my 2018 3rd gen with a cracked screen. Have been waiting for the upgrade. So thinking maybe it’s worth it?
I see the new pencil isn’t backward compatible, but is the 2nd gen pencil forward compatible?
I didn't buy either.. I opted for XP pen magic drawing pad.. it's amazing for an Android based dedicated drawing tablet
I've been contemplating getting an iPad for being able to travel with my art & work, but I've been having difficulty deciding which model to choose. I agree that the specs seem a little overkill considering what the applications can actually do. It seems like an M2/M3 chip is already fantastic. Is it really worth getting an M4 for a first time user? 🤔
First time user? Yes, because of the Apple Pencil Pro alone. You'll be just like the people who bought the 2018 iPad and enjoy it for the next 6 years with no issues!
@@ergojosh Hmm I'll keep that in mind! Thanks for replying so quickly!
Don’t worry about overkill, worry about function for your own life. I’m still on a 2020 pro and won’t upgrade until at least the next model - they build these for longevity, Ergojosh really said it well. Wait until WWDC in a couple weeks and see what Apple announces. Some are hoping for a new Mini which might suit you for travel. Don’t get pressured by all the hype, even the base iPads are fantastic and only lack certain specs for specific uses.
It's a really good device, generally speaking. If u never had one, it could be a good investment. You don't need the top model of ipad, last generation ipad Air (which is the mid-range) had the best price-quality balance.
@@RedErin I like the sound of that plan, and exactly, this has been my way of thinking lately.
Funnily enough I got a new M2 Mini Pro last year after the one that I had for 5 years finally burnt out on me so I know exactly what you mean. I like to pack light though so I felt that the iPad would logistically be easier to travel with than another Mini.
I needed to hear this. I bought the apple pencil pro for my 6th gen ipad pro and when i found out that it wasn't compatible, i was really upset :/
The Tandem Oled 120hz screen alone makes it worth it for me. I came from an iPad 2 lol which came out in 2011.
What I hate is the Apple Pencil Pro is compatible with both the new iPad Pro and the new Air model but the Apple Pencil 2 is not. So if you don't get the Apple Pencil Pro the only option you're left with is the new usb-C version which is a downgrade from the Apple Pencil 2.
I think Apple should have moved the Apple Pencil magnet/charging location to the side of the iPad. The opposite side of the iPad from the usb-c.
I hardly touched my iPad since my PC's motherboard got replaced.
I have a Cintiq 16 pro and that's enough for me.
the M4's are night and day when it comes to heating up while using procreate lol. The M4 feels like it's been off even after hours of use as where both my M2's would heat up almost instantly while using procreate. Definitely worth the upgrade !
Wonderful points for consumers to consider that can be applied to so many products when we decide to purchase or not. Thoughtful, insightful and conscientious. Thank you.
As a fellow artist, I concur. Thank you and Apple should hire you as a consultant
I upgraded my M1 11 Pro for the M4 pro. Was able to drop the price down to 500 bucks flat 😂 by trade in and student discount
The console market business model makes no sense for the iPad Pro.
The need for modern display, I/O, and color tech for creative professionals and other prosumers benefits from far more frequent updates than what consoles manufacturers do.
5 seconds in and I’m like YUP THIS FOR ME😂😂😂
am using M1 2021, I think the new one is too thin
exactly i feel like always buying new one is a wast of money , i dont think i woud make better drawing with a better ipad , but more about how i used it and my own fundamental and way of drawing
Uhh yeah a new Vid on ur Setup would go hard! Love to see what u customized in Detail!
Btw im also sticking to my (3 Months old) M2 Ipad Pro. Got it for a good Price and it will last long enough, M4 sounds interesting but also its way to much money for nearly the same i can do and "need" now.
After watching it suxks that they did that to you with the pencil but the phones have a cámara problem between pro and standard i wish they did more things like what you did to your iPad for gamers we would pay for what you did
why won't they up the RAM :(
Is the saving up surprise purchase the Cintiq 27?
The Apple logo on the new iPad pros I copper to help with the heat
The changes people usually refer to are the ones on the software side. iPadOS is really tanking the hardware these beautiful tables have
Say what you want, but I LOVE my new iPad and keyboard
I got mine cause my beloved very first gen iPad Pro died last year…I’ve been waiting for the new update m4. I’m gonna be honest, I hate that I have to worry about the bending problem…I already paid a lot for an iPad, and I will need to pay more to protect it. it’s so annoying…I bought your product to solve my problem not bring more…but who cares…apple doesn't…I have to buy it anyway considering I don’t have any other options if I’m an artist. 😔Just so sad and annoyed they should do their job right, and design a product that can live longer and has fewer problems to worry about. I also have iMac Pro…it got screen problems too…gosh…it is too much to handle.
They need to release a backward compatibale apple pencil pro
lol I have 0 need for a new iPad, my 2020 pro does exactly what I need and more, never even went over the threshold of needing a new one
This is e r g o j o s h back to his best. Great video EJ
was worried you'd be bashing Apple but pleasantly surprised. Great video as always
I try to stay balanced.
i completely agree with you.
So your hands shake bc the muscle proportions are off some way. Plz fix omg.
Still have the 2015 iPad Pro
If I wouldn't have bought the last ipad pro I woud get the air 13" one now, as it's aaalmost the same :) bc I kinda hate the idea of an oled screen on the ipad anyway (I feel like the burn in woyld show up for artists anyways and it'a huge deal for us 😅 and I love the screen quality on the last one :))
i have money and i cant afford the m4 iPad Pro XD. beside I don't think there's an app out yet that fully makes use of the m4 chip
I just want to be able to use an apple pencil on an iPhone 😭 and for procreate to have apple cloud integration so i can work on my pieces between ipad and iphone without airdropping all the damn time
They are a trillion dollar public company, all they care is having more sales than the previous year, constant growing.
The thing is like you said, technology has become so good that you don't need to upgrade often. That's where planned obsolescence comes, Microsoft did it with windows 11 asking for ridiculous specs only the newest motherboards have to make people upgrade laptops, and Apple does it with every product.
The "Pro" moniker has nothing professional about it, an OLED screen is not a pro feature in 2024, squeeze and brush rotation, again, nothing pro about it, every regular non professional person that just wants to draw need those features. Pro just means we remove features and create a new category to make you pay more, just like the automobile industry has done for decades.
😂#1 reason is.... 😂hilarious grabbing the popcorn🍿
Buy it for me :(
2TB Space black pro version with pencil and keyboard please...Dreams are free.
For me it was worth it because mine was getting up there in age. Pro third generation. For anyone with m chip series it’s probably not worth it.
Thanks!
I’ll be keeping my m1 for quite a few years more, and when I do upgrade I’ll likely give the m1 to an artistic family member. These things last FOREVER
The Apple Pencil pro costs the same as the Apple Pencil gen 2 so does it matter if they called it pro vs gen 3?
omg i saw the artist’s skin tone in the commercial and i was questioning that. lol thanks for clarifying ❤😂
I would love to buy the new oled ipad, but it's very hard to justify the several hundred dollar upgrade from my M1 Air. Once my battery life goes to shit then I'll probably upgrade, by then there might even be a next generation oled ipad.