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One of the few times I've seen a very professional, NEUTRAL car reviewer. I giggled when, at the very end, you politely but sternly said (essentially): a car built for a normal, human family... costing a quarter of a million dollars? Is it really worthy it, all the technologies & bells & whistles notwithstanding?
Then you can say that BYD actually copied Mercedes from 6 years ago: ua-cam.com/video/XylS3HLKQ0I/v-deo.html And even 10 years ago, the S-Class Coupé had this tech: ua-cam.com/video/g-2ARvGeAXc/v-deo.html
OMG! I can’t imagine replacing any part of that suspension. I owned a 2007 Mercedes SL 550 and the ABC hydraulic suspension pump let go-there was fluid all over my engine- and my driver side rear strut needed replacing. Thank goodness the ABC pump was still under warranty. However, struts are not warranty items. It cost me nearly $3,800. That was just one strut. As soon as that extended warranty expired, I sold that car.
Excellent review ... perfectly balanced combination of first describing a car's features and then sharing its driving experience! Also, you and Leah are definitely the new "power couple" for creating super fun car content on UA-cam 🤓. Thanks again and cheers from Colorado!
I really like that you use a meter to measure the interior of the vehicle with the seats down, and I'm very interested in that. Sometimes he can sleep in the car when the seats fall down or sometimes you have to put a lot of things... Kudos to you for that, you're the only one who does that from a journalist, bravo.
Great review as always Thomas! I also prefer the gasoline models as eHybrids are heavier and less "purist" as you mentioned. I think the sweet spot is the GTS (I heard they'd announce in coming summer) but my concern is lack of the Active Ride system. I assume that performance wise a GTS and 4eHybrid would be comparable (even though v8 will be much more of an engine), while the 4eHybrid will offer the Active Ride. Turbo eHybrid will solve all the problems (v8 with Active Ride) but I think that it's too overpriced for a Panamera. What would you recommend between GTS and 4eHybrid? (4S eHybrid won't be available in my country). You said you'd rather get the base Panamera for the more purist driving, does that mean you feel like the Active Ride is not worth it (hence the pure v8 GTS will be the best choice?). Thank you always!
1:30 I remember being wowed by the Bose Air Ride demo, must have been 20 years ago now, when I was still a teen. They said it was too heavy and expensive for the real world. It’s finally on a production car! Amazing! I wonder if this version will hop small obstacles? Lol.
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This is THE BEST car review intro I’ve ever seen hands down. PRICELESS is the word. ❤😂🎉 Please include Lia Meter more frequently on your videos, she’s amazing.
Thomas one suggestion which I would love that I havent seen anyone do it... When reviewing Plug-Ins no one ever mentions or tests them with 0 battery or mention if the system allows a bit of battery at all times so you can maintain full power in long trips for example. I think you were the only one mentioning it once on a porsche but cant remember which video was and I think you should give that information on every Plug-In. It would be fantastic as you can not find it anywhere even from the manufacturer.
Hi, I have the 2023 Panamera 4s e-hybrid for 9 months now. Battery is still the former one (so less powerful), but I think it will be the same in both cases. You always have the boost function available, even when it shows "0 Km" (so empty) in electric. In sport & sport +, it charges the battery while going, up to a 80% (if you drive enough time, of course). In a 500 Km trip, I started with empty battery: it was from Germany to Brussels, and in the German motorways, I was in Sport mode, changing to hybrid when arriving to Belgium. Looking at the stats, I did 70 Km in electric motor (fully charged: I get around 50 Km). Regards, Miquel
@@miquel991 Hi Miquel, Thank you so much for clarifying I have always been curious for Plug Ins as no one ever gives this type of info on the review. Enjoy your car! Cheers, Kris
@@seansiew5629 The maybach GLS doesn't have individual adjustable suspension, their calibrated whearas the panamera can do it on every wheel. Also the GLS isn't the first one to have that feature
The suspension raising/lowering is a huge plus for those of us who struggle squatting down for ingress/egress…this may in fact take sales from Cayenne…
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I think they are a little bit different, Mercedes E-active body control don't need 400V system to run and it also uses cameras to scan the scan road's condition
As much as I love this car I kinda fell in love with the E53 AMG you reviewed 2 days ago. The i6, the mild hybrid, and the glowy interior and screens were just so much better than this. Still, the Panamara is a Porsche and that suspension was hilarious.
E53 is beyon a mild hybrid, it's a plug-in, and for much less than the panamera E-hybrid. I agree with you, I would save many thousands and go with the E53, if i wanted a plugin hybrid executive sedan.
@@myemailiscool Yeah I agree, you make a good point. I just have a tendency to refer to most hybrid systems as "mild" because I feel they should be so much more robust.
Screens in a car instead of knobs/buttons are an ergonomic disaster... No matter how "cool" it looks. But it doesnt even look cool when they are just clued on. Complete eye sore. And all that constant glow everywhere is distracting.
I love how with Porsche it feels like the engineers still rule whereas with some other German companies (cough Mercedes cough), the engineers have no say and it's just cost cutting. Love this company and their engineering approach to making cars. This is why I fell in love with German machines. The engineering stood out. Now with some of the brands it no longer does. So well done Porsche. Don't stop being masters in engineering.
Technology copied from the Chinese sports car BYD U9 that was released one year ago. That one can even jump and drive with only 3 wheels. ua-cam.com/video/EydOYoK0Wkk/v-deo.htmlsi=hYWlkZYIbQdStrpn
Good and informative video but, you mention, regarding the " trick " suspension that you could buy a car for the same money. Coming on to the cost of the turbo with " all the bells and whistles ", for that price you could buy an excellent house or apartment! New car prices are out of control now.
That adjustable suspension is something else , never seen anything like it , wow ! Is that suspension taken from Audi in like the A8 , S8 ? Nice color and that Turbo edition is insane ! Great detailed review as always Thomas . Ciao ciao !
@@gregorygant4242 No it wasnt. You're just thinking of the standard airmatic. Not the hydraulic ABC you could get in the w220/215 and SL. They also have some similar system now in the GLE. That can jump up and down to aid in getting unstuck.
@@martinsvensson6884 Sure but just jumping up and down to get unstuck is not like this system this system is way more advanced than that .It does much more than that system !
@@gregorygant4242 I havent seen any particular thing. I'm sure its faster than the old ABC. But I havent seen Porsches system being able to jump the car up and down like the GLE.....
of the million things you've talked about this car, you didn't say how many degrees doaes the rear wheel steer have.i am nitpicking and joking :D 10/10 for the review
Hi; If it is the same than the former version: 2.8° at low speed (so turning against front wheels), and 0.8° at high speed (same direction both). Regards, Miquel
Tbh, I kinda like it when a car squats and the front end lifts a bit when I floor it. Sure it's not as elegant, but it's fucking fun! Also quarter of a million for a non 911 Turbo/GT product is just insane.
Great to see the detailed comparison between the “base” model and the €250k version. By the sounds of it I could get 5 Smart Brabus #3s for this price. There must come a point where you drive this sort of brand simply to show that you can rather than for any measurable practical advantage. The V6 and V8 are marvels of engineering, but already start to sound much as the horse and buggy did in around 1910. I wonder whether depreciation will be an issue.
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00:00 Launch Control preview
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02:18 Panamera Turbo vs Base design
04:28 Hydraulic entry and exit help
05:20 Length and wheels
06:13 Power figures and adaptive wing
06:47 Exhaust sound note
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15:52 Launch Control Panamera V6 RWD
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“And if I hit the switch, I can make the assss drop!” 😎
One of the few times I've seen a very professional, NEUTRAL car reviewer. I giggled when, at the very end, you politely but sternly said (essentially): a car built for a normal, human family... costing a quarter of a million dollars? Is it really worthy it, all the technologies & bells & whistles notwithstanding?
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The Leah meter was off the scale there!!
Yeah! Utterly adorable too!!
So cute!
Yes sir!
😅 Great ways to test the cars performance.
keep that in future drive presentations please 🙂
The adjustable suspension is incredible, not just for drive but also fun to watch.
More fun that Mercedes
Copied from BYD U9 sport car
they sure made it adjustable from remote just for free marketing. Basically stole Mercedes idea )
@@vadym8713 it’s rather the BYD idea one year ago:
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Then you can say that BYD actually copied Mercedes from 6 years ago: ua-cam.com/video/XylS3HLKQ0I/v-deo.html
And even 10 years ago, the S-Class Coupé had this tech:
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Wow, at the very start I was not able to believe what I see. And then Thomas with the phone was shaking the car every direction ,amazing.
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Fantastic automotive journalism! Well done guys you make a great team!
Not gonna lie I looked at the thumbnail and thought it’s the new GR 86 only to find out it’s actually the new Panamera after reading the title😂
Bro fr thing looks like the gr86
my thoughts exactly!
Same herr
looks like a jacked up GR86
Just buy G86 with less money and use extra money for gas, insurance, modification, etc 😅😂
OMG! I can’t imagine replacing any part of that suspension. I owned a 2007 Mercedes SL 550 and the ABC hydraulic suspension pump let go-there was fluid all over my engine- and my driver side rear strut needed replacing. Thank goodness the ABC pump was still under warranty. However, struts are not warranty items. It cost me nearly $3,800. That was just one strut. As soon as that extended warranty expired, I sold that car.
The best auto journalist to review this technological and lovely tour de force!
I love your driving reviews because they are so comprehensive. Thanks for your input and impressions!
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Congrats Thomas and Leah! You guys are awesome. As usual, fantastic review.
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That suspension is amazing! I thought it was a joke at first but that’s so crazy
Lol. Love the "Leah meter"! 🤣🤣🤣. Great video 👏👏
Well, I guess I’ll buy one in 5 years after a huge chunk of the price has been taken off 😂.
It’s always lovely to see you both driving 😊
Your attention to detail is superb!
Excellent review ... perfectly balanced combination of first describing a car's features and then sharing its driving experience! Also, you and Leah are definitely the new "power couple" for creating super fun car content on UA-cam 🤓. Thanks again and cheers from Colorado!
Love this car, going to sit and watch this now, was going to go to bed 😂
Go to bed
The new Porsche Taycan and Panamera are the best sedans in the world
I'm not a Porsche fanboy but I have to admit it too. Definitely!
Got to love Lea's enthusiasm! 😂
I'm so glad my first view of this car was from to your review
I really like that you use a meter to measure the interior of the vehicle with the seats down, and I'm very interested in that. Sometimes he can sleep in the car when the seats fall down or sometimes you have to put a lot of things... Kudos to you for that, you're the only one who does that from a journalist, bravo.
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Animal free interior!! Retro fabric! AWESOME. Does it exist with ventilated seats?
👍 that not afaik but the fabric stays cooler anyways
Great review as always Thomas! I also prefer the gasoline models as eHybrids are heavier and less "purist" as you mentioned. I think the sweet spot is the GTS (I heard they'd announce in coming summer) but my concern is lack of the Active Ride system. I assume that performance wise a GTS and 4eHybrid would be comparable (even though v8 will be much more of an engine), while the 4eHybrid will offer the Active Ride. Turbo eHybrid will solve all the problems (v8 with Active Ride) but I think that it's too overpriced for a Panamera. What would you recommend between GTS and 4eHybrid? (4S eHybrid won't be available in my country). You said you'd rather get the base Panamera for the more purist driving, does that mean you feel like the Active Ride is not worth it (hence the pure v8 GTS will be the best choice?). Thank you always!
Tolles Review, danke. Welche Farbe hatte der Turbo?
1:30 I remember being wowed by the Bose Air Ride demo, must have been 20 years ago now, when I was still a teen. They said it was too heavy and expensive for the real world. It’s finally on a production car! Amazing! I wonder if this version will hop small obstacles? Lol.
Good team! Also always reliable Journalism I enjoy every review ! Please keep Going!
Damn Porsche and Autogefühl.. ya'll have made me literally desire a sedan!
Dear Diary- Today I discovered the word 'puristic'. Also, that I need a Panorama. With 19 inch wheels. It's been a good day.
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Is the Leah Meter an optional extra on all Panameras ?
Great car and great review. Good job Thomas!
Thanks m8!
I never liked the exterior of the Panamera Sport turismo, this one looks siiick! Ultra luxury slick design
That active suspension would be great for clearing over debris and homeless people in our rapidly approaching dystopian future!
fucking insane, porsche did really really good with the facelift.
This is a new model, not a facelift.
ugly ngl
@@JohnyMcNealthink he’s joking because they look very similar
@@JohnyMcNealPorsche calls it that, but it really is largely the same vehicle, though updated in many ways.
Open cupholders in central console just horror
180.000€ for the Turbo actually isn't that much compared to the S 63 E starting at 208.000€
otherwise great review as always!
This is THE BEST car review intro I’ve ever seen hands down. PRICELESS is the word. ❤😂🎉
Please include Lia Meter more frequently on your videos, she’s amazing.
👍👍👍😂
Thomas one suggestion which I would love that I havent seen anyone do it...
When reviewing Plug-Ins no one ever mentions or tests them with 0 battery or mention if the system allows a bit of battery at all times so you can maintain full power in long trips for example.
I think you were the only one mentioning it once on a porsche but cant remember which video was and I think you should give that information on every Plug-In. It would be fantastic as you can not find it anywhere even from the manufacturer.
Hi,
I have the 2023 Panamera 4s e-hybrid for 9 months now. Battery is still the former one (so less powerful), but I think it will be the same in both cases.
You always have the boost function available, even when it shows "0 Km" (so empty) in electric.
In sport & sport +, it charges the battery while going, up to a 80% (if you drive enough time, of course). In a 500 Km trip, I started with empty battery: it was from Germany to Brussels, and in the German motorways, I was in Sport mode, changing to hybrid when arriving to Belgium. Looking at the stats, I did 70 Km in electric motor (fully charged: I get around 50 Km).
Regards,
Miquel
@@miquel991 Hi Miquel,
Thank you so much for clarifying I have always been curious for Plug Ins as no one ever gives this type of info on the review.
Enjoy your car!
Cheers,
Kris
Modern lowrider
This car will be very popular in East LA.
😂@@danielsmith7023
the Maybach GLS is the first one with the bouncy suspension
@@seansiew5629 The maybach GLS doesn't have individual adjustable suspension, their calibrated whearas the panamera can do it on every wheel. Also the GLS isn't the first one to have that feature
Citroen did hydropneumatic suspension 30-40 years ago
Thank you for this excellent review of my dream car (turbo E/H).
Love those vegan seats! You two make the best team, really enjoying your reviews!! 😎😆🙌🙌
The suspension raising/lowering is a huge plus for those of us who struggle squatting down for ingress/egress…this may in fact take sales from Cayenne…
Whaaaat? No more Sport Turismo??? Come ooon, it was way way cooler than the classic version. Shame on you Porsche!
No one on UA-cam does automobile reviews as good as these guys
What a great car also i find the Leah meater a nice addition especially seeing it has added to the review quality :D
👍😁
Fantastic review as always. Porsche should patent Leah's scream as the Sport mode default sound. :)
"IT´s ALIVE" obviously - great review combined with a great car. Thank you
great detail and of course, the Leah meter.
will this lowrider function wear out suspension rubber parts quickly?
The best gentlemen sport sedan... Absolutely gorgeous.
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How does this suspension compare to Mercedes E-active body control? Is it the same hydraulic suspension technology but 400v because of the PHEV?
I think they are a little bit different, Mercedes E-active body control don't need 400V system to run and it also uses cameras to scan the scan road's condition
“And if I hit the switch, I can make the assss drop!” 😎
1:30 looks like CGI! :))
Really nice to still see manufacturers bringing beautiful V8s to the market.
Launch Control.
She really likes the acceleration of the 4WD Turbo hybrid power!.👍🏼👌🏼😉😁😂
Can the suspension also stay in the higher position while driving? That would be cool when driving on rougher terrain or on steep driveways
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This guy has some real ASMR quality
As much as I love this car I kinda fell in love with the E53 AMG you reviewed 2 days ago. The i6, the mild hybrid, and the glowy interior and screens were just so much better than this. Still, the Panamara is a Porsche and that suspension was hilarious.
E53 is beyon a mild hybrid, it's a plug-in, and for much less than the panamera E-hybrid. I agree with you, I would save many thousands and go with the E53, if i wanted a plugin hybrid executive sedan.
This car's much better, as far as I'm concerned.
@@myemailiscool Yeah I agree, you make a good point. I just have a tendency to refer to most hybrid systems as "mild" because I feel they should be so much more robust.
Screens in a car instead of knobs/buttons are an ergonomic disaster... No matter how "cool" it looks. But it doesnt even look cool when they are just clued on. Complete eye sore. And all that constant glow everywhere is distracting.
Nice and detailed review as always :)
Wow absolutely beautiful. The car isn't bad either 😉
Thrilling comparison
My god they have absolutely nailed the design, literally the only Porsche you would ever need.
I love how with Porsche it feels like the engineers still rule whereas with some other German companies (cough Mercedes cough), the engineers have no say and it's just cost cutting. Love this company and their engineering approach to making cars. This is why I fell in love with German machines. The engineering stood out. Now with some of the brands it no longer does. So well done Porsche. Don't stop being masters in engineering.
Technology copied from the Chinese sports car BYD U9 that was released one year ago. That one can even jump and drive with only 3 wheels.
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When will the panamera S and GTS come out? Just want a V8, not interested in a hybrid
Same here. Cant wait for the GTS release. Just a little curious if I'd be missing out on the Active Ride as GTS won't offer this. What do you think?
Excellent car review...one of your best...danke
THIS IS MY DREAM CAR ! PERIOD !
This car is dancing, insane 😄
Wow the grey one with monochrome porsche badge looks extremely good.
This kinda "new" gen looks so much better. New angular look of the front bumper lines make it so much serious and badas*
@Porsche this should be the look of Panamera for the years to come it's just perfect !
Good and informative video but, you mention, regarding the " trick " suspension that you could buy a car for the same money. Coming on to the cost of the turbo with " all the bells and whistles ", for that price you could buy an excellent house or apartment! New car prices are out of control now.
Sold!! This Mexican is getting one!! Hitting switches in the Porsche!!
Am I high or if you look at the front end head on it reminds me of the R35 in some way
€8000 for active ride seems a fair price, considering Tesla charges a lot more for software that does NOT do what its name says it does.
Very fair. They charge $500 for interior lighting package
Yet everyone thought US$6500 was expensive for the similar (prequel to this) E-active body control by Mercedes.
Design is very good in my opinion. Sporty and classy at the same time. Just like panamera should be. Great job Porsche
Leah meter generator would be great instead of fake cabin noise
Great review
🙏🙏🙏
Very good ,objective reviews thanks . Ride & noise are as important as power & handling in the real world of UK roads .
That suspension blew my mind
That adjustable suspension is something else , never seen anything like it , wow !
Is that suspension taken from Audi in like the A8 , S8 ?
Nice color and that Turbo edition is insane !
Great detailed review as always Thomas .
Ciao ciao !
Hasnt MB had a couple of those...? Just a bit less extreme maybe.
@@martinsvensson6884 No ,that was just a height ride adjuster this is way more advanced !
@@gregorygant4242 No it wasnt. You're just thinking of the standard airmatic. Not the hydraulic ABC you could get in the w220/215 and SL.
They also have some similar system now in the GLE. That can jump up and down to aid in getting unstuck.
@@martinsvensson6884 Sure but just jumping up and down to get unstuck is not like this system this system is way more advanced than that .It does much more than that system !
@@gregorygant4242 I havent seen any particular thing.
I'm sure its faster than the old ABC.
But I havent seen Porsches system being able to jump the car up and down like the GLE.....
14:54 I love this channel lmaoo
I lol’d at that bit as well. 😂
This is really sick. Especially the response time.
of the million things you've talked about this car, you didn't say how many degrees doaes the rear wheel steer have.i am nitpicking and joking :D 10/10 for the review
Hi;
If it is the same than the former version: 2.8° at low speed (so turning against front wheels), and 0.8° at high speed (same direction both).
Regards,
Miquel
i was not expecting some yelling and shrieks of pleasure at the beginning.
Tbh, I kinda like it when a car squats and the front end lifts a bit when I floor it. Sure it's not as elegant, but it's fucking fun! Also quarter of a million for a non 911 Turbo/GT product is just insane.
That intro! ❤
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Not a big fan of this version, previous generation was more classy in wagon form
It's Lea btw, not Leah, that mistake came because our colleague who does the subtitles wrote Leah at some point and then it went that way haha =)
Great to see the detailed comparison between the “base” model and the €250k version.
By the sounds of it I could get 5 Smart Brabus #3s for this price. There must come a point where you drive this sort of brand simply to show that you can rather than for any measurable practical advantage. The V6 and V8 are marvels of engineering, but already start to sound much as the horse and buggy did in around 1910. I wonder whether depreciation will be an issue.
Is it a bring a girlfriend to work day or she insisted on coming with you ? 😂 Great video review as always
the acceleration is mind-blowing🤯
Hi Sir, did you manage to see how the fuel consumption rate (km / Litre) is like on hybrid mode for the 4E and Turbo E? :)
You definitely need this suspension for UK roads 😅
We need to deport the dinghy divers and spend 15 million a day repairing the roads of Britain.
and US roads... they seem to be getting worse year over year.
@@eastbaystreet1242same in Finland, so many potholes in the past 5yrs and no one is repairing the roads:(
Don't need to talk about India 🤫
Such a shame they don't offer v8 diesel anymore. It was my favorite engine of all time.
Mrs Gefühl is loving the power of the panamera
That sounds dirty lol
OMG a Cholo Panamera. I want one.
Great aggressive design, I remember Audi development for this type of suspension systems for the A8 in 2018.