►Shop for merchandise: autogefuehl.shop/ ►Subscribe here: ua-cam.com/users/autogefuehl ►Also subscribe to our UA-cam shorts channel: www.youtube.com/@thomasautogefuhl?sub_confirmation=1 ►Follow us on Facebook / Instagram / TikTok @autogefuehl ►Sustainability in the automotive industry documentary: ua-cam.com/video/-8gNXlRGngA/v-deo.htmlsi=bCdeJZORRHNcVmV2 This is our in-depth review of the 2025 Porsche Panamera GTS. We're taking a look at Exterior, Interior and the driving experience. 00:00 Panamera GTS 01:10 Length and technology 02:42 Engine and sound 03:39 Interior quality 04:20 Seats and comfort 05:30 Cockpit 06:52 Driver POV 07:46 Rear seats 09:27 Trunk / boot 11:38 Porsche Active Ride? 12:24 Acceleration and Autobahn 18:01 Steering and driving modes 19:32 Normal driving 21:11 Price 21:40 Do you need the Active Ride? #Porsche #porschepanamera
Data & facts: Porsche Panamera Lager air intakes Matrix LED, HD Matrix (Standard for Turbo) Length SWB 5,05 m 199“ LWB 5,20 m 205“ 19-21“ wheels (21“ standard for GTS) Adaptive air suspension standard (Sporty tuning and -10 mm in GTS) optional Porsche Active Ride with hydraulic system (8.000 Euro extra), only possible with PHEV optional rear-axle steering GTS: Standard sports exhaust 12,6“ instruments 12,3“ infotainment optional passenger screen GTS with racetex animal free interior with Race-Tex steering wheel and Pepita seats possible Base version in Northern America also with leatherette seats Trunk 495 l or 17,4 cf (480 l or 16,9 cf with subwoofer) PHEV 430 l Turbo Hybrid 420 l Panamera (4) 2,9 l V6 BiTurbo 350 hp 5,1 s RWD 4,8 s AWD 4 E-Hybrid 2,9 l V6 470 hp 4,1 s 4S E-Hybrid 2,9 l V6 544 hp 3,7 s GTS 4,0 l V8 500 hp 3,8 s (mph figure 3,6) (Max 302 kmh 188 mph) Turbo E-Hybrid 4,0 l V8 680 hp 3,2 s Turbo S E-Hybrid 4,0 l V8 782 hp 2,9 s battery 22 kWh net, 11 kW AC (2 h 40 min), better recuperation Prices entry around 100.000 Euro / dollars GTS starting 165.000 Euro / 154.000 USD PHEV Panamera with extensive spec: 180.000 GTS full spec: 187.000 Euro Possible: 250.000
You perfectly transport the fascination of driving the Panamera - not many people are abled to do this. The car perfectly combines the "highspeedtrain"-feeling, that you want from a car of the luxury class with the typical road-feedback especially in the steering that is typical for Porsche. I don`t know any car that does this in the same way.
I cannot wait for auto manufacturers to move away from piano black interior materials as well as ditching the touch screen controls. I guess I'm getting "old" but I'll take manual buttons all day, every day. Otherwise, beautiful car that can do it all. Nice review!
I drive 50.000 kilometers a year and after using all of the navigation softwares available - WAZE is the best and not only for police, fastest route, live data from other users and an easy interface. Love it
Watching reviews by you (and Lea) is always like snuggling into a warm blanket on a cold day. Just so nice and relaxing to watch. Keep it up my friend!
Nice to see that you brought it to the channel, there is too less coverage of the new Panamera on YT and I think the GTS is the sweet spot with the V8. Do you feel that the G2 II gives a little bit more premium feeling at the interior, compared with the G3?
Thomas - you really do some of the very best car reviews anywhere. I appreciate your views on leather even though I don’t agree. I know it takes tons of work to do all that you do, and just want you to know it is appreciated. And I am jealous of your job! 😊
@@srkis13 unfortunately Greece is only for vacations, but most Greeks and tourists can't afford them. After corona virus the prices have skyrocketed...
@@xnec14 Happiness is not in money I have visited Greece a lot, especially the south of the island, I plan to buy land in Crete / Kythira or Rhodes, I can't decide yet
@@srkis13 most people don't have money after 15th of every month, 8/10 can't pay their bills, rent etc. It's not about happiness anymore, it's about surviving with the bear minimum in a country with increasing depression.
“Lots of high gloss black…which no one asked for”. 😂😂. Exactly! Love your channel and its presentation. The German accent makes listening fun as well for an American lol.
@ Many thanks, Thomas. Appreciate your fast response - I’m currently driving a V12 and don’t want to downgrade 😉 Let me know your opinion of the V8 options (GTS vs. E-Hybrid) as DD? Is the Active Ride Control in ‘Daily driving’ really worth the money? My consideration is S63 AMG vs. Panamera GTS or Turbo E-Hybrid - coming from a BMW M760LI
Honestly I think Porsche made mistake the Pan came out. They should Reintroduced the 928 name as that 928 was the “posh/Comfy’ of the Porsche range when original 928 came out. Marketing would been better plus they could made a coupe version etc . Admitting the 928 then the Targa my favourite Porsche
Love your review Thomas, btw do you think the pumped in exhaust sound in the speakers feel unnatural or is it just alright in your opinion? I have the previous gen 4 E-hybrid with sports exhaust and that one is not pumped into the speaker system since the Bose surround sound was not a forced option when you chose the sport exhaust. I watched another UA-cam review of the Turbo E-hybrid on the autobahn and the other reviewer thought the sound was way too fake in his opinion
I wish they made them a little quieter. Porsche has an option for everything, why not additional sound deadening? I looked at a 4s hybrid and it was loud going down the road, too loud for a buck fifty
Nice color red , that engine bay is completely covered can't see anything from the engine there. But that rear wing how it unfolds and extends out looks super cool and that steering wheel is Racetex what's that synthetic leather Thomas ? Cool vehicle but way beyond my price range. Until next time Thomas, Cheers !
The Panamera is the best choice if you want a luxurious driver's sedan, the back seats have nothing to do with it, they are just there for transportation purposes. There is nothing like Panamera, nothing.
A great perceptive review by Thomas, particularly the comment about the Panamera being the favorite Porsche. Moved from 2019 Panamera Turbo to a 2022 Bentley Continental GT, but honestly, the Panamera is a better value. Driving dynamics and the ride is better in the Panamera. It won’t have the high quality interior, but it’s a better driver than the Bentley.
@@refuztosay9454 This strategy makes only sense if people still purchase. I have decided against the Panamera and will order the new BMW M5 shortly: Exact the same performance for 30-40k less
BLACK INTERIOR SCRATCH ME TO DEATH PLASTIC - Porsche should be instantly fined millions for this crap spec, infact all manufacturers should be! Also they should offer FREE PPF to cover black trims! for free for life!
What is this obsession that this reviewer has with calling things animal seats? Is he a vegan? If so, he seems to not worry that microfibre is made from hydrocarbons otherwise known as crude oil. I like his reviews. I think they’re a little bit biased toward German vehicles but nevertheless he does a really good job but this constant reference to I wouldn’t buy it because it has animal seats is ridiculous.
Thank you very much for your interest in this topic. I also bought cars with animal skin leather seats before I did my research and got to know the industry. The most important thing is: With today's modern materials, you have nothing to lose, just to gain. You achieve the same kind of luxury and comfort or even better while having the same or better durability with less impact on humans, animals and the environment. You can use fabric/cloth, microfibre or leatherette. The classic approach is using oil/plastic as source material. Overall, a vehicle contains about 300 kg plastic. A car seat needs about 5 kg plastic. So the overall plastic share for the seats is very low and it is at this moment the most efficient way to produce a car seat. A couple of litres of fuel equals a car seat basically. So if you want to save oil/plastic, rather look at consumption for energy, fuel and heating and to other car parts than the seat. Note that animal skin leather also always contains a plastic coating for durability. However, long-term we should of course find raw oil alternatives. So going further, seats can be made from recyclables (e.g. from PET-bottles or old fishing nets) or even increased share of plant-based materials (like pine oil, canola oil or start-up materials like Pinatex from pineapple leaves or Desertex from cactus fibre or the mixed-plant-based Mirum, so be seen at ua-cam.com/video/S1aNZeoatmE/v-deo.html). On a calculation base, by ditching animal skin leather from car interiors, the amount of emissions (CO2e) is reduced by 85 (!) % (www.press.bmwgroup.com/africa-dom-easteurope/article/detail/T0403389EN/on-the-market-from-2023:-bmw-and-mini-models-with-vegan-interiors?language=en) - and that is a very conservative calculation. So it is at this moment the most important thing you can do to make car interiors more sustainable. A good example for high-end luxury with ventilated animal free seats is the BMW X7 with Sensafin: ua-cam.com/video/1pRNkW9nrrw/v-deo.html And the Kia EV9 with plant-based oil share: ua-cam.com/video/6vXePQi_MAk/v-deo.html New leatherette materials can be superior in every aspect, even for cleaning: ua-cam.com/video/u94YXJ72UTA/v-deo.html More and more natural materials are rising: ua-cam.com/video/nRSsXEnwHDo/v-deo.html Also check out what the animal skin leather industry tried to with our channel: ua-cam.com/video/nP_CvLlaFlI/v-deo.html For seeing how the animals are being treated and transported in the global leather industry, watch this footage: ua-cam.com/video/tkjCAmq1_8E/v-deo.html Note that the footage is genuine and was recorded by a highly decorated investigative journalist in Germany I know myself personally. Also a group of researchers and German journalists from public media could recent directly trace the connection between car animal leather production and illegal burning down Amazon rain forest: www.daserste.de/information/reportage-dokumentation/ard-story/videos/illegales-leder-video-100.html In a high animal skin grade, the animals are specifically raised for this matter. However even if meat is the "first" misuse case, the hide remains a profitable body part. That means: If manufacturers put animal leather in a car and you demand it as a customer, you give your money to an industry that earns money by oppressing humans, animals and harms the environment, you make them more profitable. Alternatively, you could support industries with your wallet which try to improve the sustainability of materials. Also, if you turn the argument around to "meat is the waste of the leather industry" you realize that it doesn't make sense (and is ethically doubtful) to discuss the primary use of individual body parts of mammals. Mind experiment: You are getting slain down on the street; would it matter to you if it was for your smartphone or for your purse? Remember that animal skin leather is no different to fur, fur is just leather where the hair is still on. And fur is widely not accepted for clothing anymore, and of course not for cars. We cannot change what we have bought in the past, but with more information and compassion we can change how we decide in the future. For a great insight into sustainability in the automotive industry, you can also check out our extensive documentary: ua-cam.com/video/-8gNXlRGngA/v-deo.html The argument that leather is merely a "waste" product of the food industry and therefore ethical or sustainable has been a topic of debate, and there are several reasons why it is considered problematic and unethical: 1. Leather is a Profitable Co-Product, not a Byproduct. * Leather is not a waste material. It is a valuable co-product of the meat and dairy industries, meaning that the skins and hides of animals are sold for profit. The global leather industry is worth billions of dollars, and the demand for high-quality leather, particularly for luxury goods, is significant. * Economic Contribution: By buying leather, consumers are directly contributing to the profitability of the meat and dairy industries, reinforcing demand for animal farming. Leather adds financial value to the slaughter of animals, which in turn incentivizes the continuation of intensive animal agriculture. 2. Encourages the Environmental Impact of Animal Farming * Environmental Harm: Animal farming is a leading cause of environmental degradation. It contributes to deforestation, water pollution, and is a major source of greenhouse gas emissions. The leather industry, as part of this system, intensifies the environmental impact. * Tanning Process: Leather production itself is extremely resource-intensive and involves harmful chemicals like chromium, which can pollute water sources and harm ecosystems and communities living near tanneries. The argument that leather is a "waste" deflects from these significant environmental costs. 3. Supports Cruel Animal Farming Practices * Factory Farming: Most leather comes from animals raised in factory farms where they endure inhumane conditions-such as overcrowding, mutilation (dehorning, tail docking), and often brutal slaughter practices. * Leather Sources Beyond Cattle: It’s important to note that leather is not only sourced from cows. Other animals such as pigs, sheep, goats, and even exotic animals like crocodiles and snakes are often killed specifically for their skins. In some cases, animals are bred solely for leather production, especially in the case of exotic leathers. 4. Leather’s Role in the Global Meat and Dairy Supply Chain * The "Chicken and Egg" Relationship: The leather industry is deeply intertwined with the meat and dairy supply chains. It is misleading to claim that leather is merely a waste product when in reality it adds value to the entire system. The more leather that is purchased, the more profitable it becomes for the animal agriculture industry to keep raising and slaughtering animals. * Ethical Disconnect: From an ethical standpoint, using leather under the assumption that it’s “just waste” ignores the larger systemic issues of animal exploitation. It perpetuates a cycle where animals are bred, confined, and slaughtered in massive numbers, not just for meat but also for profit from their hides. 5. There Are Viable, Sustainable Alternatives * Innovation in Vegan Leathers: Today, there are numerous cruelty-free, sustainable alternatives to animal leather, such as pineapple leather (Piñatex), mushroom leather, apple leather, and even lab-grown leather. These options do not involve the same ethical, environmental, or health concerns as traditional leather production. * Sustainability Argument: Many leather alternatives are far more environmentally friendly. For instance, plant-based and recycled materials often require fewer resources and generate less pollution compared to the production of leather from animal hides, which requires heavy water and energy consumption and the use of toxic chemicals in tanning. 6. Moral and Ethical Considerations * Devaluing Animal Lives: By framing leather as a “waste” product, it downplays the intrinsic value of animal lives and reduces sentient beings to mere commodities. This perspective is often criticized for failing to acknowledge the rights of animals to live free from exploitation and harm. * Speciesism: The belief that animals can be farmed for their skins because their lives are less important than human needs or luxury goods can be seen as a form of speciesism-the assumption that human interests always take precedence over the welfare of other species, even when non-leather alternatives are available. 7. Global Impact on Communities * Health Risks to Workers: Many leather tanneries, especially in developing countries, expose workers to unsafe chemicals like chromium salts. These chemicals can cause severe health issues, including cancer, respiratory problems, and skin conditions. Communities near tanneries often suffer from polluted water and land. * Environmental Justice: Often, the communities that are most affected by the environmental harm of the leather industry are poor and marginalized. These populations bear the brunt of the environmental degradation, even though the demand for leather comes largely from wealthier consumers in more developed countries. The idea that leather is a "waste" product from the food industry is misleading and unethical because it ignores the significant role that leather plays in the profitability of animal farming, the environmental degradation it causes, the cruelty inherent in the industry, and the availability of sustainable alternatives. To label leather as mere "waste" downplays its substantial impact on both animals and the environment, making this argument a way to justify the continued use of an ethically and environmentally problematic material.
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This is our in-depth review of the 2025 Porsche Panamera GTS. We're taking a look at Exterior, Interior and the driving experience.
00:00 Panamera GTS
01:10 Length and technology
02:42 Engine and sound
03:39 Interior quality
04:20 Seats and comfort
05:30 Cockpit
06:52 Driver POV
07:46 Rear seats
09:27 Trunk / boot
11:38 Porsche Active Ride?
12:24 Acceleration and Autobahn
18:01 Steering and driving modes
19:32 Normal driving
21:11 Price
21:40 Do you need the Active Ride?
#Porsche #porschepanamera
Data & facts:
Porsche Panamera
Lager air intakes
Matrix LED, HD Matrix (Standard for Turbo)
Length
SWB 5,05 m 199“
LWB 5,20 m 205“
19-21“ wheels (21“ standard for GTS)
Adaptive air suspension standard (Sporty tuning and -10 mm in GTS)
optional Porsche Active Ride with hydraulic system (8.000 Euro extra), only possible with PHEV
optional rear-axle steering
GTS: Standard sports exhaust
12,6“ instruments
12,3“ infotainment
optional passenger screen
GTS with racetex
animal free interior with Race-Tex steering wheel and Pepita seats possible
Base version in Northern America also with leatherette seats
Trunk 495 l or 17,4 cf (480 l or 16,9 cf with subwoofer)
PHEV 430 l
Turbo Hybrid 420 l
Panamera (4) 2,9 l V6 BiTurbo 350 hp 5,1 s RWD 4,8 s AWD
4 E-Hybrid 2,9 l V6 470 hp 4,1 s
4S E-Hybrid 2,9 l V6 544 hp 3,7 s
GTS 4,0 l V8 500 hp 3,8 s (mph figure 3,6) (Max 302 kmh 188 mph)
Turbo E-Hybrid 4,0 l V8 680 hp 3,2 s
Turbo S E-Hybrid 4,0 l V8 782 hp 2,9 s
battery 22 kWh net, 11 kW AC (2 h 40 min), better recuperation
Prices
entry around 100.000 Euro / dollars
GTS starting 165.000 Euro / 154.000 USD
PHEV Panamera with extensive spec: 180.000
GTS full spec: 187.000 Euro
Possible: 250.000
Have you ever heard about something called torque ?
You perfectly transport the fascination of driving the Panamera - not many people are abled to do this. The car perfectly combines the "highspeedtrain"-feeling, that you want from a car of the luxury class with the typical road-feedback especially in the steering that is typical for Porsche. I don`t know any car that does this in the same way.
Awesome review as always! Keep it up Thomas!
cheers m8 !
Your detailed reviews are refreshing, not rushed. Keep it up
I agree, my favorite Porsche, so underrated.
That is some kind of road king! I’d like that for a drive between the USA east and west coast. Great review as always.
Thanks 🙏
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Beautiful presentation of this nice car. Very well filmed. Congratulations Thomas and Leah !
Lea and Thomas need their own channel - Travels Across Germany or something like that. It would be fabelhaft!
😎
Nice review, Thomas. Danke schön!
Porsche should quit using high gloss black plastic. It is nasty
I cannot wait for auto manufacturers to move away from piano black interior materials as well as ditching the touch screen controls. I guess I'm getting "old" but I'll take manual buttons all day, every day. Otherwise, beautiful car that can do it all. Nice review!
Manual buttons and switches both look and feel better
The piped-in cabin noise is egregious
Another stellar review...Thank You!!
cheers !
I like how every pov car reviewer has waze open to locate police😂
On German autobahn they don't need that 😃
@@markmd9the autobahn has a lot of restricted area’s. Also there is always maintenance, nice to know beforehand when you’re driving 200km/h+.
I drive 50.000 kilometers a year and after using all of the navigation softwares available - WAZE is the best and not only for police, fastest route, live data from other users and an easy interface. Love it
@@nsglccksorry wrong, waze is most often used to locate literal police cars waiting on the highway.
Germany doesnt have this kind of policing
Never understood the need to replace traditional speedo/rev counters with digital versions.
Absolutely pointless.
Cost saving...
Same thing with the annoying touchscreen
Watching reviews by you (and Lea) is always like snuggling into a warm blanket on a cold day. Just so nice and relaxing to watch. Keep it up my friend!
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It’s such a shame that Porsche aren’t releasing a sport turismo body style, which was by far my favourite 😭
Panamera is so gorgeous and sounds amazing. So smooth
Like always, I’ve enjoyed your review..
🙏🙏
Nice car... I will miss sport turismo! Good job Thomas 👍
Ps. In USA we don't have yet new Pam GTS
I have a Cayenne, just the base engine and at speed at about 120, I can get to 160 in a heartbeat I can imagine what this vehicle feels like
Nice to see that you brought it to the channel, there is too less coverage of the new Panamera on YT and I think the GTS is the sweet spot with the V8. Do you feel that the G2 II gives a little bit more premium feeling at the interior, compared with the G3?
Good looking car My favorite spec
V8❤❤❤❤
Too much screens and gloss black though..!!!
Thomas - you really do some of the very best car reviews anywhere. I appreciate your views on leather even though I don’t agree. I know it takes tons of work to do all that you do, and just want you to know it is appreciated.
And I am jealous of your job! 😊
highly appreciated !
How would you differentiate this from turbo e-hybrid model in terms of cornering, speed, and suspension?
Thnx for the video!
In Greece, Panamera GTS starts from 245.000 €. We 're f*ckin millionaires! 😅
But that's why you have the most beautiful sea in the world 💙
@@srkis13 unfortunately Greece is only for vacations, but most Greeks and tourists can't afford them. After corona virus the prices have skyrocketed...
@@xnec14 Happiness is not in money
I have visited Greece a lot, especially the south of the island, I plan to buy land in Crete / Kythira or Rhodes, I can't decide yet
@@srkis13 most people don't have money after 15th of every month, 8/10 can't pay their bills, rent etc. It's not about happiness anymore, it's about surviving with the bear minimum in a country with increasing depression.
@@xnec14 unfortunately i know what you are talking about...
They really did a great job with this last gen, the feeling in the cabin is immaculate.
“Lots of high gloss black…which no one asked for”. 😂😂. Exactly!
Love your channel and its presentation. The German accent makes listening fun as well for an American lol.
Lovely machine! How far gets you a full tank on autobahn when you drive like that with that kind of traffic?
Great review Thomas, beautiful car.
With nappa leather and carbon trims is the best panamera .
And i said this as a 4s owner ( 2014 and 2021). Gts always was the best.
Cheers
Thomas - great review. What would be your choice as daily driver - with Active Ride Control or without. GTS or Turbo E-Hybrid?
Thanks! No GTS - too loud. V6 or V6 Hybrid with fabric seats like here: ua-cam.com/video/44tXthxX0Jo/v-deo.htmlsi=cO8lhx41d876jwU2
@ Many thanks, Thomas. Appreciate your fast response - I’m currently driving a V12 and don’t want to downgrade 😉 Let me know your opinion of the V8 options (GTS vs. E-Hybrid) as DD? Is the Active Ride Control in ‘Daily driving’ really worth the money? My consideration is S63 AMG vs. Panamera GTS or Turbo E-Hybrid - coming from a BMW M760LI
Not needed the active ride. I d go for the turbo
Best rear wing deploy out there!! My 1990 964 spoiler is still sexy though.
Exhaust sounds nice too for an OPF V8.
Honestly I think Porsche made mistake the Pan came out. They should Reintroduced the 928 name as that 928 was the “posh/Comfy’ of the Porsche range when original 928 came out. Marketing would been better plus they could made a coupe version etc . Admitting the 928 then the Targa my favourite Porsche
Nice interior actually, a cool renovation for the new gen :)
Is it bad that I was most excited that it's on N marked PS S5 tyres? 😅
Gorgeous! I’ll have 2 😂❤
If cost weren't an issue, would you get the Active Ride?
not really, I dont see the benefits and it feels less natural to me
Do you have any information about the wear of the Papita material vs the the materials? Thanks.
Why the lack of instrument display hood?
Love your review Thomas, btw do you think the pumped in exhaust sound in the speakers feel unnatural or is it just alright in your opinion? I have the previous gen 4 E-hybrid with sports exhaust and that one is not pumped into the speaker system since the Bose surround sound was not a forced option when you chose the sport exhaust. I watched another UA-cam review of the Turbo E-hybrid on the autobahn and the other reviewer thought the sound was way too fake in his opinion
Cheers 🙏
Hm maybe thats with the hybrids, we tested base and turbo hybrid here: ua-cam.com/video/u54USQyaQvM/v-deo.htmlsi=RT6dsbkKfs8gdJzf
I think its not an issue
Hi Thomas, what type / brand of suction mount did you use for the sunroof camera? Must be excellent to stay put during hard accelerations.
Getting mine 2nd week of February
Enjoy!
I wish they made them a little quieter. Porsche has an option for everything, why not additional sound deadening? I looked at a 4s hybrid and it was loud going down the road, too loud for a buck fifty
4S better than GTS in that respect though
Tomas, would you say I should swap my BMW M8 GC for the GTS, or keep the M8?
My panamera gts production is about to begin. I'm still thinking if I should put PCCB in it.
dont see a reason for it if you are not on a racetrack
How much noise from the tires? Porsche's tire noise in most models is very high.
Nice color red , that engine bay is completely covered can't see anything from the engine there.
But that rear wing how it unfolds and extends out looks super cool and that steering wheel is Racetex what's that synthetic leather Thomas ?
Cool vehicle but way beyond my price range.
Until next time Thomas,
Cheers !
cheers m8 !
13:04 is the dashboard actually vibrating?
Center lock wheels on a non-GT car is an odd choice if you ask me.
The Panamera is the best choice if you want a luxurious driver's sedan, the back seats have nothing to do with it, they are just there for transportation purposes. There is nothing like Panamera, nothing.
Cost to replace the battery?
So, there is no GTS E-Hybrid version (or T-Hybrid like in 911)
A proper exhaust would be wild on this thing
Top Auto 🤙⭐️
他的尾翼变身简直太神奇了
this did have double glass or not?
German engineering is just the best.
Love it!
Those two screws between the A and B pillars, at 4:51 and around that timeline, look very odd in a car of that perceived quality and value.
Interesting, wonder what they are for
Panamera ❤❤❤
Awesome! Keep up doing the good work. It's my favourite Porsche overall aswell.
There is no substitute.
Understand it is a very niche market, but I miss the Sport Turismo :(
11:36 Ausfahrt Exit!
Thomas - is new suspension worth it on the Turbo S E Hybrid? Or GTS suspension is still good enough? Deciding whether to go for Turbo S or GTS
Honestly i d take the V6 m8, or if it needs to be the V8 then the Turbo
@@autogefuehl but then you did not respond to my question :) GTS is also V8. So does suspension justify itself and the choice of Turbo over GTS? ;)
Pure GTS
Every time I see a Panamera GTS, I want to work towards getting one but then I see that price tag. 💔
Love this! Wish you'll get your hands on the new Audi RS3 soon
we will, release at Oct 28
@@autogefuehl wow didn't expect it to be scheduled soon. Thank you. It's my dream car
Looks really nice, love the new updates. Do you know if Porsche make a (non-hybrid) Turbo/Turbo S version?
They don’t. Only the very base model and this GTS.
Maybe the most complete porsche
Only one problem. The price went over the roof. Sadly
My dream car. Too big for me, but a wonderful looking machine.
How can it be your dream car yet be too big for you?
Mosquitoes catcher, all stuck in the filters, awesome design
That's absolutely the case with every car, how could it have been designed any differently, what a moronic point of criticism.
A great perceptive review by Thomas, particularly the comment about the Panamera being the favorite Porsche. Moved from 2019 Panamera Turbo to a 2022 Bentley Continental GT, but honestly, the Panamera is a better value. Driving dynamics and the ride is better in the Panamera. It won’t have the high quality interior, but it’s a better driver than the Bentley.
This VS M5 CS ... not the new one :))
Sad that they ended the diesel engines
THE FRONT AND REAR BUMPERS ARE MASSIVE.
PROPORTION NO LONGER DEFINES CAR DESIGN.
So many are watching this car review like they are planning of buying it 😂
Flatulent GM crossplane V8 is the antithesis of premium. Tacky.
The prices Porsche is now asking for its models are simply excessive. No wonder the company is facing a sales crisis.
They are having to pay for the EV losses on our backs.
@@refuztosay9454 This strategy makes only sense if people still purchase. I have decided against the Panamera and will order the new BMW M5 shortly: Exact the same performance for 30-40k less
que lux ..........
The interior dont look like top of the class like some Mercedes and BMW look...
Starting from 2017-2018 - 2025 all te panameras look the same.
Inspiration 0
Black wheels are HORRIBLE
👍👍👍❤️❤️❤️
The panamera has totally lost its uniqueness 😢bland looks these days
This might very well be the last car I will want to buy… A bit sad actually.
165 k better used one ...
I love Germans. Def my fav Europeans❤❤
BLACK INTERIOR SCRATCH ME TO DEATH PLASTIC - Porsche should be instantly fined millions for this crap spec, infact all manufacturers should be!
Also they should offer FREE PPF to cover black trims! for free for life!
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What is this obsession that this reviewer has with calling things animal seats?
Is he a vegan? If so, he seems to not worry that microfibre is made from hydrocarbons otherwise known as crude oil.
I like his reviews. I think they’re a little bit biased toward German vehicles but nevertheless he does a really good job but this constant reference to I wouldn’t buy it because it has animal seats is ridiculous.
Thank you very much for your interest in this topic. I also bought cars with animal skin leather seats before I did my research and got to know the industry. The most important thing is: With today's modern materials, you have nothing to lose, just to gain. You achieve the same kind of luxury and comfort or even better while having the same or better durability with less impact on humans, animals and the environment.
You can use fabric/cloth, microfibre or leatherette. The classic approach is using oil/plastic as source material. Overall, a vehicle contains about 300 kg plastic. A car seat needs about 5 kg plastic. So the overall plastic share for the seats is very low and it is at this moment the most efficient way to produce a car seat. A couple of litres of fuel equals a car seat basically. So if you want to save oil/plastic, rather look at consumption for energy, fuel and heating and to other car parts than the seat. Note that animal skin leather also always contains a plastic coating for durability. However, long-term we should of course find raw oil alternatives. So going further, seats can be made from recyclables (e.g. from PET-bottles or old fishing nets) or even increased share of plant-based materials (like pine oil, canola oil or start-up materials like Pinatex from pineapple leaves or Desertex from cactus fibre or the mixed-plant-based Mirum, so be seen at ua-cam.com/video/S1aNZeoatmE/v-deo.html). On a calculation base, by ditching animal skin leather from car interiors, the amount of emissions (CO2e) is reduced by 85 (!) % (www.press.bmwgroup.com/africa-dom-easteurope/article/detail/T0403389EN/on-the-market-from-2023:-bmw-and-mini-models-with-vegan-interiors?language=en) - and that is a very conservative calculation. So it is at this moment the most important thing you can do to make car interiors more sustainable.
A good example for high-end luxury with ventilated animal free seats is the BMW X7 with Sensafin: ua-cam.com/video/1pRNkW9nrrw/v-deo.html
And the Kia EV9 with plant-based oil share: ua-cam.com/video/6vXePQi_MAk/v-deo.html
New leatherette materials can be superior in every aspect, even for cleaning: ua-cam.com/video/u94YXJ72UTA/v-deo.html
More and more natural materials are rising: ua-cam.com/video/nRSsXEnwHDo/v-deo.html
Also check out what the animal skin leather industry tried to with our channel: ua-cam.com/video/nP_CvLlaFlI/v-deo.html
For seeing how the animals are being treated and transported in the global leather industry, watch this footage: ua-cam.com/video/tkjCAmq1_8E/v-deo.html
Note that the footage is genuine and was recorded by a highly decorated investigative journalist in Germany I know myself personally.
Also a group of researchers and German journalists from public media could recent directly trace the connection between car animal leather production and illegal burning down Amazon rain forest:
www.daserste.de/information/reportage-dokumentation/ard-story/videos/illegales-leder-video-100.html
In a high animal skin grade, the animals are specifically raised for this matter. However even if meat is the "first" misuse case, the hide remains a profitable body part. That means: If manufacturers put animal leather in a car and you demand it as a customer, you give your money to an industry that earns money by oppressing humans, animals and harms the environment, you make them more profitable. Alternatively, you could support industries with your wallet which try to improve the sustainability of materials. Also, if you turn the argument around to "meat is the waste of the leather industry" you realize that it doesn't make sense (and is ethically doubtful) to discuss the primary use of individual body parts of mammals. Mind experiment: You are getting slain down on the street; would it matter to you if it was for your smartphone or for your purse? Remember that animal skin leather is no different to fur, fur is just leather where the hair is still on. And fur is widely not accepted for clothing anymore, and of course not for cars.
We cannot change what we have bought in the past, but with more information and compassion we can change how we decide in the future.
For a great insight into sustainability in the automotive industry, you can also check out our extensive documentary:
ua-cam.com/video/-8gNXlRGngA/v-deo.html
The argument that leather is merely a "waste" product of the food industry and therefore ethical or sustainable has been a topic of debate, and there are several reasons why it is considered problematic and unethical:
1. Leather is a Profitable Co-Product, not a Byproduct.
* Leather is not a waste material. It is a valuable co-product of the meat and dairy industries, meaning that the skins and hides of animals are sold for profit. The global leather industry is worth billions of dollars, and the demand for high-quality leather, particularly for luxury goods, is significant.
* Economic Contribution: By buying leather, consumers are directly contributing to the profitability of the meat and dairy industries, reinforcing demand for animal farming. Leather adds financial value to the slaughter of animals, which in turn incentivizes the continuation of intensive animal agriculture.
2. Encourages the Environmental Impact of Animal Farming
* Environmental Harm: Animal farming is a leading cause of environmental degradation. It contributes to deforestation, water pollution, and is a major source of greenhouse gas emissions. The leather industry, as part of this system, intensifies the environmental impact.
* Tanning Process: Leather production itself is extremely resource-intensive and involves harmful chemicals like chromium, which can pollute water sources and harm ecosystems and communities living near tanneries. The argument that leather is a "waste" deflects from these significant environmental costs.
3. Supports Cruel Animal Farming Practices
* Factory Farming: Most leather comes from animals raised in factory farms where they endure inhumane conditions-such as overcrowding, mutilation (dehorning, tail docking), and often brutal slaughter practices.
* Leather Sources Beyond Cattle: It’s important to note that leather is not only sourced from cows. Other animals such as pigs, sheep, goats, and even exotic animals like crocodiles and snakes are often killed specifically for their skins. In some cases, animals are bred solely for leather production, especially in the case of exotic leathers.
4. Leather’s Role in the Global Meat and Dairy Supply Chain
* The "Chicken and Egg" Relationship: The leather industry is deeply intertwined with the meat and dairy supply chains. It is misleading to claim that leather is merely a waste product when in reality it adds value to the entire system. The more leather that is purchased, the more profitable it becomes for the animal agriculture industry to keep raising and slaughtering animals.
* Ethical Disconnect: From an ethical standpoint, using leather under the assumption that it’s “just waste” ignores the larger systemic issues of animal exploitation. It perpetuates a cycle where animals are bred, confined, and slaughtered in massive numbers, not just for meat but also for profit from their hides.
5. There Are Viable, Sustainable Alternatives
* Innovation in Vegan Leathers: Today, there are numerous cruelty-free, sustainable alternatives to animal leather, such as pineapple leather (Piñatex), mushroom leather, apple leather, and even lab-grown leather. These options do not involve the same ethical, environmental, or health concerns as traditional leather production.
* Sustainability Argument: Many leather alternatives are far more environmentally friendly. For instance, plant-based and recycled materials often require fewer resources and generate less pollution compared to the production of leather from animal hides, which requires heavy water and energy consumption and the use of toxic chemicals in tanning.
6. Moral and Ethical Considerations
* Devaluing Animal Lives: By framing leather as a “waste” product, it downplays the intrinsic value of animal lives and reduces sentient beings to mere commodities. This perspective is often criticized for failing to acknowledge the rights of animals to live free from exploitation and harm.
* Speciesism: The belief that animals can be farmed for their skins because their lives are less important than human needs or luxury goods can be seen as a form of speciesism-the assumption that human interests always take precedence over the welfare of other species, even when non-leather alternatives are available.
7. Global Impact on Communities
* Health Risks to Workers: Many leather tanneries, especially in developing countries, expose workers to unsafe chemicals like chromium salts. These chemicals can cause severe health issues, including cancer, respiratory problems, and skin conditions. Communities near tanneries often suffer from polluted water and land.
* Environmental Justice: Often, the communities that are most affected by the environmental harm of the leather industry are poor and marginalized. These populations bear the brunt of the environmental degradation, even though the demand for leather comes largely from wealthier consumers in more developed countries.
The idea that leather is a "waste" product from the food industry is misleading and unethical because it ignores the significant role that leather plays in the profitability of animal farming, the environmental degradation it causes, the cruelty inherent in the industry, and the availability of sustainable alternatives. To label leather as mere "waste" downplays its substantial impact on both animals and the environment, making this argument a way to justify the continued use of an ethically and environmentally problematic material.
Hybrid Porsche = Sacrilege
Cabin noise very loud
piano black its not good, horrible, terrible, no one wants it anymore
Looks like 100% plastic
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