Ngl, the fact there aren't even basic e-waste laws like requirements for surge protection is insane. its like, a couple dollars at most to make a device safe, there's no excuse.
@@di57inct always with the excuse "its because of capitalism" your using phone and or computer your reply from is because of capitalism. yt your social media and so on is in thanks to that What you should say is corporatism not capitalism The consumerism is right still
@@HeadsDisplay not an excuse it's just factual, the whole point is to maximize profit as much as possible, resulting in bs like not having surge protection. oh and you litteraly did the meme lol
@@VRGamercz yes you can, for 750 dollars you can get the ryzen 5 5600 and an rx 7600xt and you will be able to play almost any game in 1440p high/ultra settings, and if here is a discount, you can buy the rx 7700xt for the same price for even better performance. Moreover, if you are willing to buy used, there are multiple cards that you can buy for the same price that can even do 4k gaming in some games.
@@europeanboy1 You'll be hardly able to play almost any game at those settings unless you are thinking 30 FPS ofc. Also where is the rest of the pc? or you'll run just on those 2 components?
@@JoachimVampire Not knowing why the failure occurred isn’t really a reason to drop a brand. Of course, if I later found out that a power surge had killed it because there was no basic protection… that’s a reason to jump brands.
@@kjamison5951 lack of preventative measures is a good reason to be upset, no one was a fan of RROD from Microsoft which was a mfg error where as this is intentional from Sony.
Ehhh, not in my opinion. I think a majority of people wouldn’t buy another after something so expected totally bricks their device. Just a guess though.
The first item you beeped was a pulse forming transformer. The second was an ESD diode. The way the diodes are set up allows signals to be routed straight through, there is no breaking open. the center pins are tied to a power rail and ground, and shunt the energy to either the rail or to ground, depending on polarity (some have an internal zener diode to dissipate the energy as well). Check diode behavior next time, they tend to fail open rather.
as i studied and majored electronic engineering in college, i was confounded by the fact that most electronic device don't have reverse polarity protections and high current impules protections. therefore, i delved into it and did a nomerous calculations. I eventually concluded that the reason why it's not commercially common on electronic devices is power consumptions. we call a complicated circuit as "a system" and it's composed of several "sub-systems" such as power system, filters, antenna system, signal processing system and etc. in terms of power system desigening, the thing that we firstly take account into is current since currents in power supply section are relatively huge. thus, adding protections would significantly drop the efficiency of the whole system as a current flow through they're only producing useless heat in regular uses. And ,yes, protection is cheap where it only needs a few trasistors and diodes, but note that they are commercial goods which means they're not built as tough as possible unless you're designing military devices or some devices that would need to be resilient aganst unstable power inputs.
'Electronic fuses' for USB are widely available and used. ICs: NCP380, TPS2051, MIC2545A, STMPS2151 etc. Sony is just ripping people off, cause we let 'em.
Would you say then that commercially producing these power protection circuits is uncommon because they would fail eventually as they are cheap and handle unstable power?
@dainodawg3160 they won't fail when power inputs are unstable. on the other hand, they draw significant dissipation of energy due to relatively high currents passing through. in addition, the transistor used for protection would limit the overall output current to the power sub-grid, or it would burn to ashes due to excessive current. It's not good for complex systems, but it should work pretty well on simple circuits such as electronic lights and fans. edit: I said they aren't as tough as it possibly can due to the fact that those devices are used by consumers, and one of the selling factors is efficiency. Just like you are buying a family car and some ppl cares about fuel efficiency.
That's how the DLVR in the new Arrow Lake works to limit current to achieve efficiency by turning the regulator itself into a heater and that's why bypass or PG mode is needed to achieve overclocking without wasting energy on DLVR. Yes, buy AMD X3Ds for your frame times in games, not Intel, especially the too expensive Arrow Lake.
@JohnWilliams-gy5yc I don't exactly know the price of an Arrow Lake and other processors. I just looked up for more info about DLVR that was limiting the overall voltage by approximately 160mV. I'm not an expert with respect to DLVR, but theoretically, it would be possible to have built-in power protections as it has nearly 25% reduction in terms of voltage. However, since it is a technology on CPUs, it would have no beneficial reasons to build those protections by the fact that they usually have external power supplies that isolate the system to city power.
Bro i follow you for years now, but since couple years i have missed the video’s, how i see u now hits me hard bro i wish you the best and all love bro keep going on you are strong❤
Como ingeniero en electrónica que perdió la fé en las empresas que desarrollan toda nuestra tecnología electrónica de hoy en dia, puedo decir: "si, abaratar costos de .10 centavos, es lo usual, total, nada dura para siempre"
Transient suppressor diodes aren't supposed to blow when they act and yes they are shorted because that's also what they are supposed to do they just passively short any transient voltages to ground (so if they are actually blown they just wouldn't be able to do that) That said they are designed to protect against very short transients with little charge. The USB-Killer afaik doesn't use as much voltage as a real static discharge would however the spike it creates has much more charge (typically translating to a longer discharge time and potentially a higher peak current). So no matter how often I hear people say "it's for testing"; No this thing doesn't simulate a realistic discharge.
If it's anything like the PSVita (which is the only Sony console I know a good amount about the circuit design of) then I suspect there are fuses on the 5v power pins, however the USB data lines are only expected to be at signal levels, so they don't bother to add protection to it. USB killers typically send current over the data lines as it causes more damage. Also in the case of a lightning strike or other power surge you're far more likely to have a surge go through the PSU rather than the usb port, unless you're using your charging cable as a lightning rod,
see it's things like this which are why I stopped supporting Sony after my brief time on the PS3 nothing they make holds a candle to the PS2 and the fact people shill themselves for this company is disgusting when they knowingly make garbage products and do scummy things like inject malware into your PC to keep you from pirating music (look up Sony Worm 2005 for this) and even put in their own ToS that you aren't allowed to own the games you buy makes things worse
Very true. Whats worse is games u buy at the store which are disk don't have games on them. Its just that product key. No game. So u will never truly own the game
Not only that but they charge higher prices for games than other companies do like steam or Microsoft with the Microsoft store, I get they're often exclusives, but even then it doesn't justify the sheer negligence and greed the company has displayed over the last few decades
@@parzahval2884 You're out of it if you think Microsoft is charging any differently for the same stuff. It's $70 for a new game. That isn't a Sony thing. 🤦♂️
@mateobean6635 oh yes it is, Sony literally had a lawsuit bc games on psn would consistently cost more than the game would on other platforms, and it's $70 now bc of inflation, I'm referring to before the lawsuit when u could buy the expanded n enhanced gta 5 a few years ago on ps store for 45, vs on xbox it was 30, and that's not near the only game they've done that with, every company's increasing game prices from inflation, food costs more now, so are games, but sonys the only one to end up in a lawsuit bc they were straight up charging more for games that were blatantly cheaper on other platforms, ESPECIALLY exclusives like the 1st last of us, aint no reason for a 13 year old game to cost $100
I designed several devices with USB-Interface (USB 2.0) and it was never a option to leave out the surge protection. BTW protection diodes are quite cheap
That's why a good serge protector is your best friend in electronics. Also avoid using the ARC/eARC HDMI on your TV as an input. Found this out the hard way.
If there is a storm in your area, best to unplug your ps5. If you live in texas, just disconnect it everytime you got to bed. My ps5's psu blew up. Luckily, thats all that was damaged and i was able to replace the unit with a new one and now it works just fine
Just don't use USB killers. The chip you tested is a circuit protection but that won't work for a the kind of spike a USB killer crrates. That's nothing like any power surge. It's just designed to kill things which is so dumb.
@@drcyb3r agreed. Proofing for usb killers on consumer level devices is overkill. It makes sense in devices intended for enterprise or government since they might actually have saboteurs
@@Aoskar95 It's just people with a lot of money showing off their toys and how stuff that is expencive for most people isn't worth anything to them. I hate this.
Auto makers love to do that too. Unprotected driver circuits. Like if, for a random example, you were to have a Chrysler vehicle having a TIPM (basically a combination of a smart junction block and a body control module) control a 4wd shift motor, when that motor fails, if it pulls excessive current, it won’t blow a fuse, it will burn up the $1500 dollar module instead. 🤦♂️
recently had a power surge that killed multiple things in my house including a 60 inch tv. but my Switch and PS5 survived. there must be something in there doing some work
it was due to the power company's neglect to maintain the pole. everything we had/have is plugged into surge protectors. the surges fried the surge protectors and somehow most things survived. almost all of them that didn't were a little older. if we hadn't been home to turn the power off our house would have burned down
The first device shown is very likely a common mode choke, which removes a type of noise called "common mode noise", which is just a fancy way of saying it blocks noise that occurs in both lines. The second larger device looks like a circuit protection device, but I assume it was probably just rated for ESD.
Yep can confirm my power bar popped and fried my power supply Lucky me it was only the power supply but I heard that bad boy pop and I was like aww man. Got it fixed up!
I'm fairly certain that a diode would've prevented the most basic of "surges". There's no excuse in not putting a diode in between power lines, especially if said power lines can also send voltage back. Sure you'd fry the diode, but a 10 cent mistake is a lot easier to fix than a 500 dollar mistake...
So that is a multi lined esd protection array and what will bake your noodle is that the traces is actually attached underneath. The trace doesn’t end at one side then continue from the other, it’s a single trace. I’m not sure how they operate but I guess the engineers never thought to defend against an attack like the usb killer.
imagine buying a $15 SIP but it into any outlet within the same room and save your $500 device. You don't need it ON the device, you just need it anywhere in the same network. Because that Surge Inrush will be in the whole room. And also. if it's longer than a minute or so your device is ylod anyways. You cannot protect against every type of surge inrush, just some. So there is no requirement to include it in ANY device. You just need one per fuse in your network. and then it protects you a little more.
Usb killers usually work on voltage lines, not data lines. Those lines that you showed are data lines. I think you should check 5v voltage line and regulator and power management ic of it. ❤
Electronics engineer here. You are wrong about there being no USB protection. That chip on the USB is a TVS, it is meant to have continuity, you are measuring it wrong, it is meant to clamp the voltage from signal to ground and signal to supply in an over-voltage event. Measure the resistance from signal to ground and supply to ground, if the chip is overloaded then the chip can fail shorted. Most likely need to replace (or remove to temporarily) to test. It is still possible the TVS didnt do its job and the PS5 board is dead, you can only say for sure after removing the TVS chip. Hope this helps.
Just remember it should be plugged into a surge protector. this will help prevent your devices from being ruined in the event of a power surge. Its not fullproof, but it will get the job done and your devices will be fine unless you are in some less common scenario.
It is a USB kill device, no surge protector would stop it. The USB port itself would need to be protected, and Sony chose not to cuz then they can sell you a new one
@@thegamingjackhammer6472 He said in the video either a USB kill device or a power surge caused by something like lightning achieves the same effect. The OP is saying with a surge protector you can prevent one of those issues.
A lot of non sense in the comment section. Most of you don't have a single idea about the processes involved in electronic product development and what a company has to do to be allowed to put an electronic devices to the market. Every single products put on the market is required to obtain a certification that proves that they are electromagnetic compliant. They have to pass tests (CE, FCC...) to ensure that they do not disturb surrounding devices by EMI (electromagnetic interferences) and that they also survive to ESD events (electostatic discharges) on their interfaces. You are not allowed to put stuff on the market if you do not pass these tests. The USB port of the PS5 here is perfectly protected by a diode protection array (probably a Littelfuse RF3077 or equivalent). This device protects high speed interfaces like USB-C against ESD according to the IEC 61000-4-2 norm, which defines what kind of pulses profile your device has to survive. This USB interface has been testes with an ESD gun. The small component on the right side is probably a common mode choke, commonly found in differential pairs. The USB killer has a complete different pulse profile which is not defined by standard EMC norms. By law, it is then not required by companies to protect devices against this. Sony will at the moment not spend money to protect your PS5 against "vandalism" . They protect your device against things that naturally happens like ESD, it cannot be avoided. Someone broke into your house, smash your PS5 on the floor, are you going to cry stating that Sony didn't build an armored PS5...just non-sense. This lands into the product "mis-use" category due to the very rare chance that this event can happen. Someone shot your car engine with a gun and you go complain to the manufacturer that they didn't spend enough money to protect your engine. Same situation, product mis-use. Manufacturer protect your devices according to norms and they are not allowed to put products on the market that doesn't fullfill them. Everything else is extra. The law is not forcing them to implement such protection. Almost no company are implementing protection against these scenarios when you look at all the USB killer test on UA-cam. Additionnal complexity, BOM costs, risks for signal integrity of high speed links. There is no off the shelf component that will filter the USB killer profile, you need more complex circuitry. If a solution come up, the USB killer will adapt by changing the profile. ESD profiles, on the contrary, are predictable and reproducible. Stop saying "cheap circuit protection device that actually work", the cheap circuit protection device are actually implemented but they do not work against vandalism. If the norms changes due to this USB killer becoming a real issue for the consumer electronics market, manufacturer will start to protect and IC manufacturers will start to propose silicon based solutions. Otherwise they have to willingly implement these challenging protections (if technically feasible) and YOU will end paying much more for it. Guess what, you will then also complain that the PS5 get too expensive...
Wait you measured are circuit protection devices. The first is a common mode choke on the USB 2 lines and the other is a TVS diode array for the USB 3 diff pairs which are meant to have continuity through them but prottect the circuit by shunting to GND or VBUS.
I never understood the logic of the usb killer... the device never has to consider about power return consodering the usb is the power source... its like saying "ha i can wire a usb plug data pins to an outlet and plug that contraption to my expensive device. Ohh look it died what a supprise!!!" And to those who are talking about esd? thats what the metal bit around the usb is for! That entire thing is meant to act like a ground and discharge any static b4 the data pins even touch it. The usb killer is basically a vandalizing device that masks itself as a testing tool...
That's terrible really awful cos they ain't cheap. Sony need to sort this out, I will not purchase until they do. Sticking with my ps4 until that gives up for what ever reason. This is very important info, thanks 😊🎉😢
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The little one is a noise suppressor and the bigger one is your surge protection and it's now shorted the lines to ground, including the 3v3 line. You should study electronics.
Looked up USB Surge Protection chip and sure enough, found a design document from Texas Instruments that shows a couple different system level designs, and sure enough, the USB 5/10Gbps protection designs contain a surge protector that looks much like the one in the video (TPD4E02B04). It does also show surge protectors on the D+ and D- lines, but those are 2 separate diodes that don't seem to be in the video. I really do hope he sees this and tries continuity to ground (which is what he should've done in the first place, since short to ground is the only explanation for the PS5 not turning on) and It's really disingenuous though for him to say it has no protection while doing no research whatsoever, and I guess he thought that only because the ports are wired directly to the APU, but it really is an SoC which contain lots of I/O related circuitry including ports and wi-fi/bluetooth.
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@@araghon007 yeah but just remove the spd which is in parallel to the data lines and power the board. If it boots, put a new spd, if it doesn't, let it rest in the bin.
After I lost my first gaming PC to a lightning strike power surge. I have become super paranoid about power surges. I have installed a whole home surge protector (in the breaker panel) and every major electronic device has gotten a UPS backed by an isolation transformer.
@@fpvrc9829 play station 4 and later don't have any surge protection. That is likely why this PlayStation was destroyed. It's more than just a malicious USB that can brick your computer of any kind through a power surge.
Since I already understand Electronics. I understand, but I do see a flaw in his debate. At the beginning I do see a gap in the path which in reality would be protection against the surge. He tested for continuity by measuring across the gap. Well yes, duhhh, when you measure across the gap you can create a path to follow. I see flaw in his argument....but if the flow did continue and flow all the way to the CPU, then yes, his argument would be sound
This, along with the liquid metal leaks has me convinced over time that while the specs are decent the ps5 itself is hot garbage. Now the ps5 pro prices too 😅 Thank god i switched to pc.
The first time I watched this video I completely agreed with the assessment, but now that I know a few things I'm not so sure that console is actually done. For starters, USB killers target the power delivery circuit, so if anything what would be dead in a PS5 should be just the 5v power supply. Plus, I would test for diode readings on those lines that go into the APU and compare with a known good board. Them being around the same would probably serve to suggest that it's actually good.
I bought a USB thingy for the front of my PS5 because I have youbg kids. My thought process is if they jam something weird into that instead of the PS5, maybe my PS5 will survive it.
Sony has fallen off hard bros. Even my PS2 had a built in circuit protection system and that's like 20 years old now. The only reason why the PS5 wouldn't have this is because, if a storm shorts your system, You are forced to buy a new one "Weather" (lol) you like it or not. The risk of it happening differs depending on where you live (tornado ally vs. PA for example) but even just a handful going per week keeps sales up.
When will an equipment manufacturer earn more? When he use surge protection or when he forgets about it? And for this, it is enough to have such an APU available only in the original, and it is pure profit.
If someone has physical access to the console there are less over-complicated ways of destroying the console than using a USB killer , such as dropping in a sink full of water , or going to town with a baseball bat on it. So engineering to protect against it would be a waste of time that would not stop it from being destroyed and make the console more expensive.
Is anybody suprised? It's made by Sony after all? I found a trip switch in my old discman that triggered once dropped rendering it useless. Turn the switch and it worked again. Sony have been doing this for over 30 years.
Ngl, the fact there aren't even basic e-waste laws like requirements for surge protection is insane. its like, a couple dollars at most to make a device safe, there's no excuse.
Literally cents, not even 10 cents per unit...
@@proxyhx2075 about 60k would have been spent so far on those cents but yeah they have the money
@@joshuaroefs9279 the excuse is capitalism and consumerism aka making you buy more
@@di57inct always with the excuse "its because of capitalism" your using phone and or computer your reply from is because of capitalism. yt your social media and so on is in thanks to that
What you should say is corporatism not capitalism The consumerism is right still
@@HeadsDisplay not an excuse it's just factual, the whole point is to maximize profit as much as possible, resulting in bs like not having surge protection. oh and you litteraly did the meme lol
So glad you can still push through these tough times and still make videos
@@Porgp wait what happened??
@@siddharthsingh8775 he had to go through chemotherapy
@@siddharthsingh8775 he had cancer
He did a video a few days back, saying his cancer went into remission.
@@johnbay1234remission is good
Now imagine that happening to a $700 PS5 discless pro
I'm not buying that garbage but I'd crashout
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You can literally make a very good gaming PC "better than any PS5" for less then 700 dollars ☠️
@@Lvtdgb_40m you literally cannot.
@@VRGamercz yes you can, for 750 dollars you can get the ryzen 5 5600 and an rx 7600xt and you will be able to play almost any game in 1440p high/ultra settings, and if here is a discount, you can buy the rx 7700xt for the same price for even better performance. Moreover, if you are willing to buy used, there are multiple cards that you can buy for the same price that can even do 4k gaming in some games.
@@europeanboy1 You'll be hardly able to play almost any game at those settings unless you are thinking 30 FPS ofc. Also where is the rest of the pc? or you'll run just on those 2 components?
Well, if you look at it from Sony's perspective, they just made another $500
depends. from my point of view they lost a costumer for life.
Nahhhhh I've never had an Xbox but if this ever happens to me, Microsoft will be getting the $500 😂
@@JoachimVampire Not knowing why the failure occurred isn’t really a reason to drop a brand.
Of course, if I later found out that a power surge had killed it because there was no basic protection… that’s a reason to jump brands.
@@kjamison5951 lack of preventative measures is a good reason to be upset, no one was a fan of RROD from Microsoft which was a mfg error where as this is intentional from Sony.
Ehhh, not in my opinion. I think a majority of people wouldn’t buy another after something so expected totally bricks their device. Just a guess though.
The first item you beeped was a pulse forming transformer. The second was an ESD diode. The way the diodes are set up allows signals to be routed straight through, there is no breaking open. the center pins are tied to a power rail and ground, and shunt the energy to either the rail or to ground, depending on polarity (some have an internal zener diode to dissipate the energy as well). Check diode behavior next time, they tend to fail open rather.
as i studied and majored electronic engineering in college, i was confounded by the fact that most electronic device don't have reverse polarity protections and high current impules protections. therefore, i delved into it and did a nomerous calculations. I eventually concluded that the reason why it's not commercially common on electronic devices is power consumptions.
we call a complicated circuit as "a system" and it's composed of several "sub-systems" such as power system, filters, antenna system, signal processing system and etc. in terms of power system desigening, the thing that we firstly take account into is current since currents in power supply section are relatively huge. thus, adding protections would significantly drop the efficiency of the whole system as a current flow through they're only producing useless heat in regular uses. And ,yes, protection is cheap where it only needs a few trasistors and diodes, but note that they are commercial goods which means they're not built as tough as possible unless you're designing military devices or some devices that would need to be resilient aganst unstable power inputs.
'Electronic fuses' for USB are widely available and used. ICs: NCP380, TPS2051, MIC2545A, STMPS2151 etc.
Sony is just ripping people off, cause we let 'em.
Would you say then that commercially producing these power protection circuits is uncommon because they would fail eventually as they are cheap and handle unstable power?
@dainodawg3160 they won't fail
when power inputs are unstable. on the other hand, they draw significant dissipation of energy due to relatively high currents passing through. in addition, the transistor used for protection would limit the overall output current to the power sub-grid, or it would burn to ashes due to excessive current. It's not good for complex systems, but it should work pretty well on simple circuits such as electronic lights and fans.
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I said they aren't as tough as it possibly can due to the fact that those devices are used by consumers, and one of the selling factors is efficiency. Just like you are buying a family car and some ppl cares about fuel efficiency.
That's how the DLVR in the new Arrow Lake works to limit current to achieve efficiency by turning the regulator itself into a heater and that's why bypass or PG mode is needed to achieve overclocking without wasting energy on DLVR. Yes, buy AMD X3Ds for your frame times in games, not Intel, especially the too expensive Arrow Lake.
@JohnWilliams-gy5yc I don't exactly know the price of an Arrow Lake and other processors. I just looked up for more info about DLVR that was limiting the overall voltage by approximately 160mV. I'm not an expert with respect to DLVR, but theoretically, it would be possible to have built-in power protections as it has nearly 25% reduction in terms of voltage. However, since it is a technology on CPUs, it would have no beneficial reasons to build those protections by the fact that they usually have external power supplies that isolate the system to city power.
Bro i follow you for years now, but since couple years i have missed the video’s, how i see u now hits me hard bro i wish you the best and all love bro keep going on you are strong❤
Como ingeniero en electrónica que perdió la fé en las empresas que desarrollan toda nuestra tecnología electrónica de hoy en dia, puedo decir: "si, abaratar costos de .10 centavos, es lo usual, total, nada dura para siempre"
If there a storm you should always unplug your electronics if you want to be completely safe.
My favourite technician on UA-cam. Hope you get well soon❤
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Transient suppressor diodes aren't supposed to blow when they act and yes they are shorted because that's also what they are supposed to do they just passively short any transient voltages to ground (so if they are actually blown they just wouldn't be able to do that)
That said they are designed to protect against very short transients with little charge. The USB-Killer afaik doesn't use as much voltage as a real static discharge would however the spike it creates has much more charge (typically translating to a longer discharge time and potentially a higher peak current).
So no matter how often I hear people say "it's for testing"; No this thing doesn't simulate a realistic discharge.
I was just about to come on here and call this guy a liar but you did a good enough job 👍
Finally a good and correct answer
Gotta say makes me glad you are still at it and have improved immensely. Keep it going.
The second IC you showed is a tvs diode that protects usb data lines. When there's a over voltage on the line the IC shorts it to the ground.
Why protect the data line but not the power line?
@@aerohk Why bother? Power pins are not sensitive to ESD.
Appreciate your hard work showing the shortcomings of Sony. Glad I've always used UPS's for my electronics, especially the entertainment center, now.
If it's anything like the PSVita (which is the only Sony console I know a good amount about the circuit design of) then I suspect there are fuses on the 5v power pins, however the USB data lines are only expected to be at signal levels, so they don't bother to add protection to it. USB killers typically send current over the data lines as it causes more damage.
Also in the case of a lightning strike or other power surge you're far more likely to have a surge go through the PSU rather than the usb port, unless you're using your charging cable as a lightning rod,
Truly a well engineered, consumerism focus, PlayStation. F ... the consumer we need money.
Great video, its been a while since I've seen a video of yours, I repair cellphones and you have been an inspiration to me, I wish you only the best
see it's things like this which are why I stopped supporting Sony after my brief time on the PS3 nothing they make holds a candle to the PS2 and the fact people shill themselves for this company is disgusting when they knowingly make garbage products and do scummy things like inject malware into your PC to keep you from pirating music (look up Sony Worm 2005 for this) and even put in their own ToS that you aren't allowed to own the games you buy makes things worse
Point understood, but Sony 100% isn't the only company that does the ToS. EVERY digital game and video purchase has this now.
Very true. Whats worse is games u buy at the store which are disk don't have games on them. Its just that product key. No game. So u will never truly own the game
Not only that but they charge higher prices for games than other companies do like steam or Microsoft with the Microsoft store, I get they're often exclusives, but even then it doesn't justify the sheer negligence and greed the company has displayed over the last few decades
@@parzahval2884 You're out of it if you think Microsoft is charging any differently for the same stuff.
It's $70 for a new game. That isn't a Sony thing. 🤦♂️
@mateobean6635 oh yes it is, Sony literally had a lawsuit bc games on psn would consistently cost more than the game would on other platforms, and it's $70 now bc of inflation, I'm referring to before the lawsuit when u could buy the expanded n enhanced gta 5 a few years ago on ps store for 45, vs on xbox it was 30, and that's not near the only game they've done that with, every company's increasing game prices from inflation, food costs more now, so are games, but sonys the only one to end up in a lawsuit bc they were straight up charging more for games that were blatantly cheaper on other platforms, ESPECIALLY exclusives like the 1st last of us, aint no reason for a 13 year old game to cost $100
I designed several devices with USB-Interface (USB 2.0) and it was never a option to leave out the surge protection. BTW protection diodes are quite cheap
pennies
Get well soon.
God grants you healling.
Amen. Amen. Amen.
This is why I protect my stuff with surge protection and battery backup.
That's why a good serge protector is your best friend in electronics. Also avoid using the ARC/eARC HDMI on your TV as an input. Found this out the hard way.
They have extended warranties for that Just check and make sure that it covers power surges and it’s not posted on TikTok and you’re good
If there is a storm in your area, best to unplug your ps5. If you live in texas, just disconnect it everytime you got to bed. My ps5's psu blew up. Luckily, thats all that was damaged and i was able to replace the unit with a new one and now it works just fine
Just don't use USB killers. The chip you tested is a circuit protection but that won't work for a the kind of spike a USB killer crrates. That's nothing like any power surge. It's just designed to kill things which is so dumb.
@@drcyb3r agreed. Proofing for usb killers on consumer level devices is overkill. It makes sense in devices intended for enterprise or government since they might actually have saboteurs
@@Aoskar95 It's just people with a lot of money showing off their toys and how stuff that is expencive for most people isn't worth anything to them. I hate this.
Auto makers love to do that too. Unprotected driver circuits. Like if, for a random example, you were to have a Chrysler vehicle having a TIPM (basically a combination of a smart junction block and a body control module) control a 4wd shift motor, when that motor fails, if it pulls excessive current, it won’t blow a fuse, it will burn up the $1500 dollar module instead. 🤦♂️
recently had a power surge that killed multiple things in my house including a 60 inch tv. but my Switch and PS5 survived. there must be something in there doing some work
PSU may have overcurrent-protection, or you just got lucky
Having a power surge plug extension cable might of saved it most of them come with it if you use them
it was due to the power company's neglect to maintain the pole. everything we had/have is plugged into surge protectors. the surges fried the surge protectors and somehow most things survived. almost all of them that didn't were a little older. if we hadn't been home to turn the power off our house would have burned down
The PSU likely has surge protection they most likely didnt expect some fool to go around blowing up ppls PS5
@@charles0423 it actually suprisingly does not at all.
@@awhvex7188 danm
seeing comment like this make me calm... thanks bro... who the f stupid enuf wasting their ps5 and called it e waste...
Hey guys it's Austin We are testing out the USB KILLER!
The first device shown is very likely a common mode choke, which removes a type of noise called "common mode noise", which is just a fancy way of saying it blocks noise that occurs in both lines. The second larger device looks like a circuit protection device, but I assume it was probably just rated for ESD.
Yep can confirm my power bar popped and fried my power supply Lucky me it was only the power supply but I heard that bad boy pop and I was like aww man. Got it fixed up!
I'd love to see someone mod these adding some filters or fuses on those lines. There's plenty of area to scrape and solder them in.
I'm fairly certain that a diode would've prevented the most basic of "surges". There's no excuse in not putting a diode in between power lines, especially if said power lines can also send voltage back. Sure you'd fry the diode, but a 10 cent mistake is a lot easier to fix than a 500 dollar mistake...
So that is a multi lined esd protection array and what will bake your noodle is that the traces is actually attached underneath. The trace doesn’t end at one side then continue from the other, it’s a single trace. I’m not sure how they operate but I guess the engineers never thought to defend against an attack like the usb killer.
imagine buying a $15 SIP but it into any outlet within the same room and save your $500 device. You don't need it ON the device, you just need it anywhere in the same network. Because that Surge Inrush will be in the whole room. And also. if it's longer than a minute or so your device is ylod anyways. You cannot protect against every type of surge inrush, just some. So there is no requirement to include it in ANY device. You just need one per fuse in your network. and then it protects you a little more.
Specific Asus motherboards came with USB protect. Rare to be included these days
Remember the Next version is 800€ and probably hás the same protection
@@themaniac5864 protection 💀
It does have circuit protection; it's called the APU. It protects the rest of the circuit, just not itself...
It already was before the surge , not a big loss
Usb killers usually work on voltage lines, not data lines.
Those lines that you showed are data lines.
I think you should check 5v voltage line and regulator and power management ic of it. ❤
Honestly, simply clamping the data lines to vcc and ground would prevent the cpu from being directly damaged.
The fact that 'just a USB stick' could cuase this damage is mindblowing
That's exactly according to plan now you have to buy a new one more money for me
Murphy's Law: a $300 picture tube will always protect a 10c fuse by blowing first 👍
APU.... You mean... It killed the processor? *Enters existential crisis mode*
Electronics engineer here. You are wrong about there being no USB protection. That chip on the USB is a TVS, it is meant to have continuity, you are measuring it wrong, it is meant to clamp the voltage from signal to ground and signal to supply in an over-voltage event. Measure the resistance from signal to ground and supply to ground, if the chip is overloaded then the chip can fail shorted. Most likely need to replace (or remove to temporarily) to test. It is still possible the TVS didnt do its job and the PS5 board is dead, you can only say for sure after removing the TVS chip. Hope this helps.
This is why "PC Master Race" is a thing.
Just remember it should be plugged into a surge protector. this will help prevent your devices from being ruined in the event of a power surge. Its not fullproof, but it will get the job done and your devices will be fine unless you are in some less common scenario.
Yeah I was thinking who isn't using surge protectors on all of their outlets?
sadly doesn't protect from usb shorts. so surge protection on the psu side is useless in this case.
It is a USB kill device, no surge protector would stop it. The USB port itself would need to be protected, and Sony chose not to cuz then they can sell you a new one
@@dovos8572 Yeah but what USB you plugging into your PS5?
@@thegamingjackhammer6472 He said in the video either a USB kill device or a power surge caused by something like lightning achieves the same effect. The OP is saying with a surge protector you can prevent one of those issues.
A lot of non sense in the comment section. Most of you don't have a single idea about the processes involved in electronic product development and what a company has to do to be allowed to put an electronic devices to the market.
Every single products put on the market is required to obtain a certification that proves that they are electromagnetic compliant. They have to pass tests (CE, FCC...) to ensure that they do not disturb surrounding devices by EMI (electromagnetic interferences) and that they also survive to ESD events (electostatic discharges) on their interfaces. You are not allowed to put stuff on the market if you do not pass these tests.
The USB port of the PS5 here is perfectly protected by a diode protection array (probably a Littelfuse RF3077 or equivalent). This device protects high speed interfaces like USB-C against ESD according to the IEC 61000-4-2 norm, which defines what kind of pulses profile your device has to survive. This USB interface has been testes with an ESD gun.
The small component on the right side is probably a common mode choke, commonly found in differential pairs.
The USB killer has a complete different pulse profile which is not defined by standard EMC norms. By law, it is then not required by companies to protect devices against this.
Sony will at the moment not spend money to protect your PS5 against "vandalism" . They protect your device against things that naturally happens like ESD, it cannot be avoided.
Someone broke into your house, smash your PS5 on the floor, are you going to cry stating that Sony didn't build an armored PS5...just non-sense. This lands into the product "mis-use" category due to the very rare chance that this event can happen.
Someone shot your car engine with a gun and you go complain to the manufacturer that they didn't spend enough money to protect your engine. Same situation, product mis-use.
Manufacturer protect your devices according to norms and they are not allowed to put products on the market that doesn't fullfill them.
Everything else is extra. The law is not forcing them to implement such protection. Almost no company are implementing protection against these scenarios when you look at all the USB killer test on UA-cam. Additionnal complexity, BOM costs, risks for signal integrity of high speed links. There is no off the shelf component that will filter the USB killer profile, you need more complex circuitry.
If a solution come up, the USB killer will adapt by changing the profile. ESD profiles, on the contrary, are predictable and reproducible.
Stop saying "cheap circuit protection device that actually work", the cheap circuit protection device are actually implemented but they do not work against vandalism.
If the norms changes due to this USB killer becoming a real issue for the consumer electronics market, manufacturer will start to protect and IC manufacturers will start to propose silicon based solutions.
Otherwise they have to willingly implement these challenging protections (if technically feasible) and YOU will end paying much more for it. Guess what, you will then also complain that the PS5 get too expensive...
Thank you Voldemort. I thought there were some things Sony was hiding from us.
That's why I use a surge protector power strip
This happened to my cousin in Daytona. Last year a power surge from a lightning storm fried his PS5. He had to send it to Sony for repairs lol.
this wasnt a power surge, this was a usb short
Got to boost those sales somehow
Sound exactly like a Chinese Orange PI's HDMI output...
SONY: "buy our PRO+ Slim 3 and find out if we added it! Only x3 more than the Pro you all loved!!"
Wait you measured are circuit protection devices. The first is a common mode choke on the USB 2 lines and the other is a TVS diode array for the USB 3 diff pairs which are meant to have continuity through them but prottect the circuit by shunting to GND or VBUS.
This is exactly how "Planned obsolescence" is designing all tech devices nowadays.
WTF Sony is Drunk while Manufacturing the PS5, oh C'mon Sony make so many Design Flaws on it
That was a long winded way of saying "no, I can't revive this ps5". lol
Can something be added to it to stop the power surge thanks for the content 👍
I never understood the logic of the usb killer... the device never has to consider about power return consodering the usb is the power source... its like saying "ha i can wire a usb plug data pins to an outlet and plug that contraption to my expensive device. Ohh look it died what a supprise!!!"
And to those who are talking about esd? thats what the metal bit around the usb is for! That entire thing is meant to act like a ground and discharge any static b4 the data pins even touch it.
The usb killer is basically a vandalizing device that masks itself as a testing tool...
I’ll keep my pc that has all these safe guards built into the components I bought thank you. Guess Sony had to cheap out somewhere….
Can you reball a different apu from a doner board
Sony: *catching*
Now it’s 800ish because I would bet Sony didn’t bother to included some protection in the PS5pro
Quality!
That's terrible really awful cos they ain't cheap. Sony need to sort this out, I will not purchase until they do. Sticking with my ps4 until that gives up for what ever reason. This is very important info, thanks 😊🎉😢
The little one is a noise suppressor and the bigger one is your surge protection and it's now shorted the lines to ground, including the 3v3 line.
You should study electronics.
Looked up USB Surge Protection chip and sure enough, found a design document from Texas Instruments that shows a couple different system level designs, and sure enough, the USB 5/10Gbps protection designs contain a surge protector that looks much like the one in the video (TPD4E02B04). It does also show surge protectors on the D+ and D- lines, but those are 2 separate diodes that don't seem to be in the video.
I really do hope he sees this and tries continuity to ground (which is what he should've done in the first place, since short to ground is the only explanation for the PS5 not turning on) and
It's really disingenuous though for him to say it has no protection while doing no research whatsoever, and I guess he thought that only because the ports are wired directly to the APU, but it really is an SoC which contain lots of I/O related circuitry including ports and wi-fi/bluetooth.
@@araghon007 yeah but just remove the spd which is in parallel to the data lines and power the board. If it boots, put a new spd, if it doesn't, let it rest in the bin.
I wouldn’t say useless, you could use it as a door stop or maybe a paper weight 🤔
simple fuse can protect this
I guess we need to buy stabilizer
After I lost my first gaming PC to a lightning strike power surge. I have become super paranoid about power surges. I have installed a whole home surge protector (in the breaker panel) and every major electronic device has gotten a UPS backed by an isolation transformer.
how does that protect your usb ports ?
@@fpvrc9829 play station 4 and later don't have any surge protection. That is likely why this PlayStation was destroyed. It's more than just a malicious USB that can brick your computer of any kind through a power surge.
Which won't do anything to protect the USB port
Can you do a little modification where you install some protection against that
yes optic coupler....
Since I already understand Electronics. I understand, but I do see a flaw in his debate. At the beginning I do see a gap in the path which in reality would be protection against the surge. He tested for continuity by measuring across the gap. Well yes, duhhh, when you measure across the gap you can create a path to follow. I see flaw in his argument....but if the flow did continue and flow all the way to the CPU, then yes, his argument would be sound
And this is why my ps5 now sits on the shelf. 300million volts is more than enough for a ps5 😂.
Save $0.10, make $500 on a new purchase in the thunderstorm season (or if a tech youtuber gets their hands on a usb killer lmao)
Always use surge protectors at the outlet.
or here's a better idea Sony could just make a better console and add things that legitimately work instead of scamming their blind sheep of a fanbase
@@theunhingedgamer3762 Did you mean to say cheap....🤔
omg - the problem came from the usb port, not the power outlet
An AC surge protector isn't going to protect against a surge coming in at the USB port.
Nintendo DS Lite had 3 protections.
4 if you count that you cant find the recharger
A varistor and a polyfuse might have added 15¢ to the price of the board, which is clearly prohibitive.
This, along with the liquid metal leaks has me convinced over time that while the specs are decent the ps5 itself is hot garbage.
Now the ps5 pro prices too 😅
Thank god i switched to pc.
I’m done with PlayStation’s hardware issues. I’m moving to pc when it comes to the next generation.
The first time I watched this video I completely agreed with the assessment, but now that I know a few things I'm not so sure that console is actually done. For starters, USB killers target the power delivery circuit, so if anything what would be dead in a PS5 should be just the 5v power supply. Plus, I would test for diode readings on those lines that go into the APU and compare with a known good board. Them being around the same would probably serve to suggest that it's actually good.
Imagine plugging in a usb killer and being suprised/upset it broke the device 😂 "oh no! The consequences of my actions!"
Nah, like he said there are pretty easy and cheap ways to prevent that. They where just assuming a basic engineering choice.
Imagine missing the point of a short video when the point is obvious. 😂
@@arakwar imagine missing that the killer usb thing was the test and not the video, they could have easily make another vidoe if the usb didnt kill it
What's the precise fix to prevent this?
contact sony hq and become their senior electrical engineer
No, it was a ROI decision.
I bought a USB thingy for the front of my PS5 because I have youbg kids. My thought process is if they jam something weird into that instead of the PS5, maybe my PS5 will survive it.
This is why I have trust issues with console manufacturers now. For me, I think I'm going PC 100% for my gaming
I guess the question is, how long have ive not know one of my favorite youtubers doing fine soldering my fat fingers can never do, has a disease???
Sony has fallen off hard bros.
Even my PS2 had a built in circuit protection system and that's like 20 years old now.
The only reason why the PS5 wouldn't have this is because, if a storm shorts your system, You are forced to buy a new one "Weather" (lol) you like it or not. The risk of it happening differs depending on where you live (tornado ally vs. PA for example) but even just a handful going per week keeps sales up.
When will an equipment manufacturer earn more? When he use surge protection or when he forgets about it? And for this, it is enough to have such an APU available only in the original, and it is pure profit.
And it's something that companies will continue to do...
Would a fuse be good enough?
Of course they do this.... it means if someone's breaks they make more money. After all that's all they care about is money
"I'm gonna put this device made to kill electronics into this very expensive electronic."
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
If someone has physical access to the console there are less over-complicated ways of destroying the console than using a USB killer , such as dropping in a sink full of water , or going to town with a baseball bat on it. So engineering to protect against it would be a waste of time that would not stop it from being destroyed and make the console more expensive.
Is anybody suprised? It's made by Sony after all? I found a trip switch in my old discman that triggered once dropped rendering it useless. Turn the switch and it worked again. Sony have been doing this for over 30 years.
Sony is literally asking you to switch to a pc 😅
Sony is cheap. That what i've learned from this...
it was probably designed to be that way
That's how you keep making people buy your product
Hmm i always thought the USB ports were controlled by the southbridge.
Southbridge is PC thing and this is not PC.
@@vvgr409 Offcourse consoles have it, i repaired like hundreds😜
change the southbridge