so george lucas was pioneering some more greenscreen tech after the prequels and he wanted to create a star wars underworld tv show, he had several episodes written it was going to be epic... boba fett was going to be in it and it was going to feature a bunch of criminal syndicates. That was like tech demo... it was such a missed opportunity. And we got boba fett instead...
@@GenerationTech I fail to understand why they wouldn't go with such a thing when it would print money. Something like that that has Boba would have been some of the easiest money in the history of the franchise.
@@johnhodgson4216 we the audience have the benefit of knowing who Plagueis/ hego damask is. Yoda does not. He can’t read minds and has to plan accordingly.
I just want Yoda to say "always two there are. No more, no less. A master to embody power, and an apprentice to crave it" to Vernestra matter-of-factly.
Maybe I misinterpreted it, but I took it as Vernestra Rwoh going to talk to Yoda about how her old apprentice has resurfaced and tell him about how Qimir, as a fallen Jedi, has taken out Master Sol and the others. I got the feeling that she didn't suspect anything to do with the Sith, just that her old apprentice is back to take revenge. Which would neatly close this whole plot hole nonsense about the Jedi council not knowing about the Sith just 130 years earlier.
It also makes Rancors argument against the Jedi valid. With no over sight she trained someone, and now they’ve gone rouge and is killing members of the Jedi.
@@Loki_YogiYes and she sense her old apprentice has fallen but the darkside and Sith are not the same thing, so this is kinda of a sementics argument that allows them to keep denying the Sith existence simply because there are no declared Sith threats on them.
"Only two there are, a master and an apprentice ..." ... And the apprentice's (not so) secret apprentice ... ... And the master's secret apprentice ... ... And the apprentice's secret apprentice's secret apprentice ... ... And the master's secret apprentice's secret apprentice ...
@@SpottedHares the problem with the sith is even under the rule of two they betray eachother drastically. but the secret apprentices are not true sith until their masters can officially give the title, therein are never truly darth. more like sith assassins. and that separates the difference
I truly do wonder if certain Star Wars fans out there know that Episode 13 of Season 6 of the Clone Wars exists. Yoda straight up had visions and an event occur where he saw Anakin behead Dooku and he fought Sidious. How that information doesn’t get passed down to anyone is beyond me. Yoda is a very flawed and secretive character why anyone would think that he is the opposite makes no sense.
Well I think a bunch of this ties into the visions he went through with the force priestesses where he had to learn to let go of the Jedi Order because it had fallen from what it was meant to be as they failed at many different crossroads where they could’ve done what they’re intended to do at the core of their religion. Yoda was to survive so that he could train Luke the one to bring balance (or aid Vader/Anakin to come back to the light side to destroy the Sith). The only thing that it does bring question is why Yoda was so apprehensive against training Luke on Degobah. Yoda learned during those force visions that he has to be willing to let it all be destroyed even with the duel with Sidious in the last vision he had to be willing to let himself die to save Anakin so that he could turn to destroy the Jedi and eventually the Sith before coming back to the light side because of his sons love. Don’t get me wrong the identity politics that disneys been pushing is quite annoying and it would be nice if they’d stop trying to push real world identity politics and focus on trying to make a good story that actually has continuity through the story along with good character arcs so that we all can get behind the story. The best piece of product that Disney has put out was Rogue One and the series tied into it Andor because it had good character arcs that actually added to the entire Star Wars storyline in a positive way.
@@ReckSaber3664, I agree with you. It's much easier to shit on things and baselessly point things out as "lore-breaking" than accept that Yoda and the Jedi, though noble and wise on the whole, were always complex and imperfect. For those who don't know, most of the Clone Wars animated series got sign-off from Lucas himself and was produced/directed by Dave Filoni well before the acquisition of LucasArts by Disney.
I think the show has made him like 50 years older from the legends novel or something like that but it really doesnt matter, just like Master Foreheads age lol
In the novels both Plageuis and his master were extremely long lived species like 1,000 years plus. It explains how they set up everything Plageuis master was in charge of Banking clan or Something similar so funded whole Sith plan.
For real though, isn’t cortosis an extremely hard to find and probably of insane value? It would make sense for someone like Plagueis to have someone stationed around one of the very few mines of cortosis out there. Both as a Sith and a business man.
@@kenknowlton3085 well, with that in mind we can already tell that The Acolyte is going to focus on Plagueis and will be to his novel what The Siege of Mandalore was to Ahsoka's novel
Alan has always been a dependable voice of reason within the fandom, it's disturbing people have sent him death threats over something as minor as this show. :(
Those people can't stand positivity. They literally come here to try and get people to be as miserable as them🤡 and then when it doesn't work they use death threats
@@toodlepop Now I'm totally picturing Yoda with not just one murder board, but dozens of them with lines of yarn connecting them from all sides of the room haha! :P
Yoda: *knew all along about the Sith* Force Qui-Gon Jinn: *does the Unimpressed Dude Meme pose after dying to Darth Maul whom he tried to warn the Jedi Council about*
You don't know what vernestras going to say to yoda, no one other than her has a hint of it, she hasn't even seen the sith lord... you'd know if you were paying attention.
I'll give you the TLDR then, Yoda according to this show does not know about the sith. The green alien woman who came to speak to Yoda appears to believe the villains of this show are evil Jedi who have gone Rogue. For PT fans this show might even enhance the PT. Because now Yoda appears to know some Jedi have gone evil in the past which maybe explains more of the distrust the council had towards Anakin feeling he could become an evil Jedi @@Stop_Gooning
I wanted you to know that I find your critique of the acolyte exemplary. You're honest with the good and the bad of the series but still putting forward the love of Star Wars that we all have. Thank You.
It sucks these assholes are sending you death threats over a Disney show. For what it's worth your my favorite SW UA-camr Alan, I hope your channel never changes.
The plot hole in canon we haven’t explored is in the Phantom Menace both Yoda and Windu knew about the rule of two, and in the Clone Wars Yoda knows who Darth Bane is. I think that needs explored and if they kill Osha and Qimir in season 2 that could be how. I’d be fine with a High Council cover up if they think they killed both master and apprentice.
1000 years of peace doesn't mean all knowledge was burned. Trillions were killed, planets were destroyed, the wars that had occured before the peace would never be forgotten by the Jedi. Look at how much we are curious about this fake lore lol. Imagine the dark side evil boogyman being real. And could come back. With more wars and footage to learn about in a thousand lifetimes. Holocaust - Never Again 9/11 Never Forget
I always interpreted it as the Jedi having something of a "restricted section" of their library like Harry Potter. They have holocrons that only Masters can access, which details what they know about the Sith.
. . . my personal Theory: there's a mention in Legends Lore- regarding a Sith Apprentice, who came to Reject the Dark Side, embraced The Light . . . and walked away from ways of The Sith, either an Apprentice of Darth Zannah or her Successor . . . . . . I believe- Yoda, was this Sith Lord. . . . it would explain, how he knew about Darth Bane and The Rule of Two- for he learned these facts, from the Woman who defeated The Founder in Battle, or the one who went on to defeat her . . . . . . when Yoda told Luke Skywalker in "Empire"- "Once you go down The Dark Path- forever, will it dominate your Destiny- consume you, it will . . ." he was speaking, from real experience . . . . . . I believe- Venestra, would have known of this terrible secret- Yoda, may have trusted her enough to confide in her . . . Windu, in contrast- would have Slain Yoda without mercy, had he known- The Grandmaster would have told Mace, just enough- to not raise Suspicion . . . . . . irrespective- Darth Plagious, Darth Sidious . . . would have considered Grandmaster Yoda- to be their greatest Ally . . . an ex-Sith Lord, running the Jedi Order . . . heh- no wonder Sidious called Yoda, his "Little Green Friend"- I don't think, that phrase was spoken, totally in Mockery . . . but, in partial recognition- for Yoda's crucial contribution to The Sith Grand Plan . . . . . . only after Order 66- would Yoda face the consequences, of his actions Centuries before . . . for his very presence, amongst the Leadership of the Jedi- Doomed them ultimately, to total Destruction . . . . . . what a tragic Burden to bear . . . so many loved ones, slaughtered despite your own abjurement of The Dark Side . . . if true- it would put Yoda alongside Vader himself, as one of Star Wars most complicated figures . . .
Always so insightful. You add something to every viewing of an episode, no matter how good or bad the episode. And your background location and composition of your shot is really beautiful.
I first watched Star Wars in the summer of 1977. I have been waiting for a Star Wars project that shows the Jedi as fallible monks who do the best they can with the information they have at the time. Then dealing with the fallout of the choices they made. I have to agree with Allen 100% with everything he points out in this video.
Cool. Another 77 original fan. I saw it at the Drive in when I was 10 Sitting in my Older brothers car. Everyone else dozed off and I was hooked for life.
@@l1a146 I watched all three of the OT Movies in a single-screen movie theater. I don't think there are many of those left in the world. The last time I was in the town I grew up in the theater had been converted into a Goodwill.
I mean Yoda only knows what Vernestra tells him. Which might only be that her old padawan has fallen and is still alive. Even if she mentions Sol it will be a lie.
As an originals aged Star Wars fan I absolutely love the way the Jedi were portrayed in this series, it’s about time we had a non skywalker story and the people at fault were the Jedi! Loved it.
@@DarthJarJar10 The concept is a good one. The execution of it was terrible. People are screaming WOKE this and GAY that. Could care less, if the characters are well written and acted. The writing was horrid, and the lead actress was terrible, not to mention an open racist.
So, as an "originals aged" SW fan, (whatever that means) you're completely fine with showing the Jedi as incompetent, corrupt, selfish, fearful idiots who will throw their highly respected fellow Master (who also was trusted with training younglings) under the bus... for... reasons?? Ok. Sure, buddy. You have fun with that one. 👌
@@Loki_Yogi That's what I hate about this show especially because I love the Jedi but that's not the problem most people have with this show. For a lot of people, it's not even about the bad writing and we can observe that very easily. It's really not even the shows fault for writing the Jedi that way, it's been a process that fans (especially TCW fans) have been egging on for years. From here, it's just going to get worse and worse especially if Dave Filoni is involved. The Jedi will continue to be portrayed as incompetent, corrupt and selfish because the masses demand it A lot of people will openly say the CIS is the good guy of the Clone Wars despite the atrocities they commit. They will do all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify it and usually people will call it 'the lesser of two evils.' It's been like that for years. That should tell you the direction Star Wars is going
Yeah, now if we can just get a 'Lord of the Rings' story in which Gandalf and Aragorn and Frodo are all a bunch of shady, corrupt people, and Saruman and Sauron are just misunderstood, we'll be making some progress in ruining great stories all to be "dark and edgy".
Still don't think this breaks canon! Not even Vernestra knows that Qimir is Sith, the only person who knew Qimir was Sith was Sol. Sol never said the word "Sith" to Vernestra and now he's dead. For all Vernestra knows Qimir very well could be a "rogue jedi" or "dark jedi". The Sith still are not referred to by name until TPM
Exactly, but anyone with a red lightsaber can be looked at as a “sith”. Qimir thinks of himself as a sith, similar to how Ventress thought of herself as Dooku’s apprentice(which in that case she was), but in the end, she was merely dooku’s tool. I think Qimir will be a similar thing to Plagueis. Once he finds Plagueis, he’ll learn he was manipulated all along and be tossed aside.
@@tonyyao4785 and Leslye Headland herself has confirmed that Qimir and Osha are not Banite Sith. That scene with Darth Plagueis in the cave, he was spying on them. He's not Qimir's master (at least not yet)
They would know if he as a rogue Jedi or a dark Jedi because they'd know about any rejected Jedi that could have been his mentor. A Sith trained by another Sith makes way more sense in this situation.
@@grantjackson8183 even better. the same outcome is going to end up happening. Qimir and Osha accept Plagueis’ offer, then after they do their service, get betrayed. Classic
Here’s the key takeaway of this: we *don’t* know what the _immediate outcome_ of this conversation is. Would Master Vernestra confide with Master Yoda with the truth about the events in question; her coverup of a coverup conspiracy; and/or inform him about her former pupil staying alive? For anyone that says otherwise, then please post a video of the extended cut of that scene and share with us the transcript of said conversation (not happening). Besides, this plays with the whole Ki-Adi Mundi “conspiracy” (not the age one, the “lack of knowledge of the Sith”). No one from the strike team (the one sent to prevent Mae from killing Kelnacca), including Sol, survived long enough to get the word out about the “Sith” return. Not to mention that Mae’s memory has been tempered with so the odds of Sith discovery is slim to none. And for those that claimed that this “breaks lore”, in Legends (around a similar timeframe), a Dark Jedi informed Yoda about the Rule of Two, so a similar scenario would take place in the foreseeable future
If this theory is correct, it could mean that Yoda knew the prophesy had to play out just as it did. Yoda might have been too hesitant to act upon a prophesy. Just as he told Anakin not to act upon his visions. Maybe he didn’t know exactly how the sith would come back into power but he knew he could not meddle with what the Whills have decided for the galaxy
Its wild for me that there are people complaining they "made jedi look bad" while the whole point of the prequels was to show how corrupt even an organization dedicated to good can become. The history of the jedi is the LITERAL "the way to hell is paved with good intentions"
Maybe it went over peoples heads? I mean I understand why OT people wouldn’t like the acolyte because someone like the PT. But I’m just confused especially because we’ve been talking about it on this channel for like 5 years
I'm not sure if all the criticisms are genuine. Some of the youtubers making videos criticizing this are definitely old enough to be around when the prequels came out and when the old Star Wars EU was flowering. There have been EU stories about the Jedi acting as enforcers for an increasingly corrupt Republic to stamp out popular uprisings. Let's not forget how Grievous started his career as a Jedi killer. He became a hero of his people during their war against invaders, but the Republic and the Jedi sided with the invaders, thus igniting his hatred for the Republic and the Jedi.
When I was 10 years old back in 1980, I learned that Jedi were capable of lying. I am not AT ALL surprised that Yoda would cover up the existence of the Sith.
I just cant get over when they made the mistake of introducing new lightsaber colors like green, eww, only blue and red lightsabers are cannon and you cant convince me otherwise
@@ForestRaptorreally old turtle jedi who trained younglings in his old age. However his specialty was investigating crime in the Coruscant underground. He helped Ahsoka find her lightsaber, after it was stolen in the episode “Lightsaber Lost”… we also see his corpse in the Kenobi show, frozen under the Inquisitors fortress.
I think Yoda knew about the Siths existence. Yoda and Darth Plaqueis had card night each week and went out to dinner too. They would talk about Light and Dark Side affairs.
He had to know since the presumption of the sith extinction for a millinia would pre-date Yoda's birth. So he either learned the rule of two in a vision or he's talking to the sith.
Kibh Jeen became a Dark Jedi. He went mad. I believe he learned about the Rule of 2 from Darth Rivan. When the Jedi confronted Jeen he rambled to the Jedi about the Rule of 2. They didn't believe him initially but later considered it to be true. So Yoda learned of the Rule of 2 from that story.
Idk why Star Wars fans act like Yoda isn’t the same guy who found out the Clone Army was commissioned by the enemy and was like “welp I guess we gotta keep it a secret now and see how things play out”
Because at that point, it was too late to do something about it, and the Jedi didn't have any other options. This situation is the exact opposite. That's why it makes no sense😂
Doesn't the discovery also directly tie into the arc where Yoda learns about transcendence from the Priestesses, where they show him the future of what will become of the order? I've heard it explained that those two arcs are tied so closely together that Yoda's arc may have happened first, and that he already knew of the impending Order 66, and had to let it play out. For multiple decades leading up to 66, jedi youth had slowly shifted into thought processes and ideologies that strayed form the ways that Yoda and other older masters had been taught and teaching, and that was exacerbated by the war as well. Yoda had learned of what was to come before the downfall, and was told by the Priestesses not to mention it, if I recall correctly? Or, he made the decision not to tell them because it was too late, etc. There's a lot more open theory on that, but at least Yoda's take on your issue is much more explainable than the information from this show being sat on for about 85 years and then not being remembered in TPM.
Honestly, the Acolyte has made the Jedi even more interesting because the Acolyte isn't trying to keep the Jedi spotless. They are leaning into the already known issues of the Jedi.
Maybe this could also somewhat show why Yoda is very against jedi having any attachments in the Prequels. Maybe Yoda heard of the cover up in the Acolyte and everything that happened and believed it all happened because the jedi allowed themselves to much into their attachments.
i really liked the acolyte, its nice to see the cannon going further back in time, kinda wish they would make the jadai cannon too that would be cool to see as a show.
@@Joel-wx7zk That seems like overkill, like executing people for jaywalking. Jedi kept the peace for a thousand years, but they got too involved in politics. I guess they all need to die. Okay, that makes sense. Sorry, but this is a twisting of 'Star Wars', a desperation to be "dark and edgy" because it's assumed that that makes it more artistic or profound or whatever. I guess we should rewrite 'The Lord of the Rings' and turn Gandalf into a shady figure, same with Aragorn. Make Saruman and Sauron sympathetic people who were just misunderstood.
@@BroadMeadow-d9sExactly. This show is weird, basically every creative idea Lucas had, these writers tried to duplicate and make it better. "Lucas had one chosen one?? That's fine we'll make TWO." This show is pure trash
Funny enough, this isn't the first time, since in the clone wars he was shown order 66, meaning he could have gone like "forgot to feed my dog I have, Windu go to kashiik you must" just so he can stay with Anakin as a result (also if I missed anything, I will just say the last time I watched the clone wars was around 4 years ago, I wanted to rewatch it but so far it's torture, I stopped like twice already in the middle of an episode)
Master Sol had a chance to let the Jedi Council know when he was sending them a report that the Sith had returned 100 years earlier than when Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan let them know about Darth Maul. The biggest issue that I had was when Osha turned Sol's lightsaber blade from blue to red just from being pissed off. That's not how you "bleed" a kyber crystal. You have to direct a lot more rage, anger, and hatred over a long period of time into the crystal.
The Acolyte and Generation Tech goes hand in hand for me because both make think deep about Star Wars. The saga’s universe finally feels bigger and real for me now.
Yoda is old enough to have seen some crazy shit: Jedi banging each other in the library, crazy dark side artifacts, several human lifetimes of lived experience, his relationship to yaddle and Grogu, he could be all spiced out for all we know and that’s why he talks like that He let all this shit to play out just to study it because yoda is more than a Jedi grand master He was the way ahsoka is now
And this is a good example of why I understand why many have a problem with this type of thing. If a new Star Wars show just didn’t blow my socks off fine. But things like this don’t add to the lore/cannon/story/legacy, it’s takes away or changes it.
To be fair we don’t see what she tells Yoda, I assume she says the same to him as she did to the senate. Mae’s current condition is what I think Vernestra was talking to Yoda about, and not what really happened with the Brendok 4. I doubt they will let her train Mae, but maybe she can convince Yoda to let her take on a civilian job within the order (like Bazil the tracker) going forward.
I thought I saw somewhere the connections that Yoda knew ALL of this before hand, but he also knew that this was how it had to play out. Like Dr. Strange... he had seen millions of alternate timelines and only one path led to redemption.
One last thing: As someone who lived through it, was a block away from the World Trade Center when they fell on 9/11, saw the plane hit the second tower with my own eyes, and felt the ground shake from the collapse, your take on Bush and America was spot on. The country, and particularly where I live, New York City, was getting crazy. Bush took the easy scape goat target that was something that initially could somewhat unify the country. And he had support from a lot of countries, in the beginning, as well.
7:50 "They only stay paragons of the Light Side when you don't peek under the robe." -- This, 100% this. I've been saying this for weeks now, ever since people started criticizing the flawed Jedi portrayed in Acolyte. The Jedi have NEVER been perfect paragons of flawless omniscient godliness -- sure, they have what we see as amazing Force powers, but they're still normal people, and they're just as flawed and just as fallible as any other people, with or without access to the Force. And yeah, I'm an old-school Star Wars fan -- I grew up watching the original trilogy in the theater on release -- and once Lucas started exploring more of who and what the Jedi are, it became clear that they were just as capable of mistakes and flaws as anyone else. So don't worry, Alan, this doesn't piss me off -- it actually relieves me that I'm not the only one who realizes this! :P
I am so sorry that you get death threats dude, you have by far the most nuanced takes on this rapidly burning property and you are the only interest I still have in Star Wars. Thank you for all of your content and for still trying, despite the vitriolic members of the fanbase.
I think its absolutley insane that people threaten and make death threats over difference of opinions on things like movies etc. Our world has become a looney bin.
I always wondered how Yoda knew that. Coupled with him going into exile because he “failed” so badly. But if he didn’t know anything, how could he fail? That would be ignorance, right?
He failed because he did know, or at least had a good idea that the sith may still be out there and he made the wrong decision by waiting until he couldn’t hide it anymore when maul popped up.
Finally finding someone with good, well though out reviews and recaps. Very Nice content, very good deep dives into the lore and meaning behind whats happening!
Alan, I disagree with you about Darth Sidious. I would challenge that he is much smarter than his master and the Jedi. Palpatine spent years setting his plans in place and was able to completely deceive the entire Senate and the Jedi. The den jedi had no idea he was the Sith Lord, until he allowed them to know. All that being said, Palpatine was the smartest player on the field.
We're not sure what she's going to tell Yoda. She could be getting ready to lie to him. However, he does know all about the Rule of Two when he shouldn't, like he's been investigating it for a very long time, in secret, with Venestra. After all, we know he's not above a cover up. In Clone Wars, season 6, he covers up the fact that Sifo Diyas was killed by Dooku and Dooku killed his own friend and ordered the Clone army.
In that imo terrible clone wars show, didn't Yoda also find out about order 66 prior to it happening or at least the idea of order 66 being implemented?
@@Thed538dhsk if I remember correctly, I think that was all the same situation. I want to make sure I have it all correct so I'll watch it again but, I think he found out about the chips or that something was wrong with the clones. I don't think he knew about Order 66 specifically. I'll let you know in a bit though.
i always found it interesting why palpatine asked anakin if he had ever heard "the tragedy of darth plagueis the wise" bc ofc not why would he...UNLESS season 2 of the acolyte explores how yoda may have learned of plagueis which is why Palpatine wouldn't be surprised that "it's not a story the jedi would tell" anakin.
Hey Allen, I've fallen behind in some of your videos on the Acolyte. I just think that shot of Yoda made shit got real. I honestly thought that Ki-Adi Mundi was just another Cerean. I truly believe that a season 2 would really show the beginning of the actual collapse of the Jedi wich we saw the Pinnacle of it with order 66. Really love your work
Venestra is basically Jedi Internal Affairs. I was thinking about it, and if Mundi was involved in the cover up, wouldn’t it make sense that he would continue the cover up? So that line from the prequels would make sense. And to be fair, as it stands we don’t know Venestra tells Yoda. Lucas always saw the Jedi as the good guys, the representatives of the Light Side, but portrayed them as flawed heroes because, as you said, perfect characters are boring.
This is another level os screw up and retcon, of the likes of taking all the credibility of a deaths. If that happens we can't believe in anything that we se on screen beacause writers will always come with loose interpretations of scenes, which is not clever, it just makes your universe lose weight and fans desengage. This clearly is not what Lucas meant with those sentences and don't be cinical to say otherwise, this is just cheap and disrespectful.
I have literally never trusted Yoda. When he was introduced in TESB in 1980 he came off super suspicious. He was a total dick to Luke and then he just sends him into a dark side cave. That was always suspect to me. And I get that the way it was explained is he went to a planet with a dark side nexus because it was easier to hide there. But was it? Then when TPM came out in '99 and he's on the council him and Windu just come off like they're hiding something. It seems like they know something about Anakin or what he is. And I always thought the whole "two there are" thing was dumb in the first place, but I was also like "how the fuck do you know?" And as the prequels go on it becomes clear that Yoda knows shit he doesn't tell. The whole "perhaps mistranslated the prophecy was" or however he words it is especially telling. And if I'm being honest, his duplicitous dickishness extends to his force ghost's interaction with Luke in TLJ. Yoda knows Rey took the texts. And he basically tricks Luke into feeling guilty and sacrificing himself. I just don't trust Yoda.
I suspect Vonestra Rwoh holds one of two positions of leadership within the Jedi Order. One is leader of the Jedi High Council. One is leader of the Jedi Order. Master Yoda is leader of the High Council. Because Vonestra Rwoh represented and spoke for the Jedi Order before the Chancellor, I suspect that she was leader of the Jedi Order. During the Prequels, Master Windu was briefly leader of the Jedi Order until the Clone War began, which is when he became General of the entire Grand Army of Republic. Yoda held both titles of leadership.
I love everytime Allan posts something, you know its gonna be well thought out! I appreciate your coverage of the Acolyte, it's so unfortunate that people hate it I feel like its often just on principle.
I agree about many things you say about Yoda, basically all of it. He was old, experienced, and powerful in the force. He had Wisdom from his centuries of life, knowledge he shared with the rest of the Jedi Council, and if he did not KNOW something, he often went out himself to find out using the force to guide him, which he has said a few times that he "Sensed" this or that through the force. He did not necessarily see, no text message, just the force sharing with him, "Something is wrong" or "So-and-so has turned to the Dark Side, or Perished". He has indeed shared his thoughts and opinions to the other Jedi and many times they will be like, "Master Yoda, what do you think?" Yoda answers and one or many of the council, "I do not agree! Why did we ask you again?..." and that alone I strongly feels why he was often more "Neutral" when he spoke. If he says, "I promise you this or that is afoot" the others fought him. If he kept it vague or neutral, they tended to actually THINK about his words more before deciding, and he would slowly give reasons why he said what he says to make them sway a little bit more to his side. So I always felt that Yoda knew a LOT more than he would openly let on about simply because of how volatile the others often reacted. "I think it was a Sith Lord..." "Impossible. They have been extinct for a Millenia!" and "I "Do Not Believe" the Sith could have returned without us knowing " And there that word "Impossible" being misused(Never did really like that word, even when it was true.). Improbable? I still think that is not accurate either. As Yoda said, "Hard to SEE, the Dark Side is..." and if the lore may still be accurate that Sith Holocrons are powerful and often DRAW people to them, especially Force Sensitives, who is to say the Sith could not be "reborn" some day in secret? Or if not "Sith" then at least a new Dark-Side using organization that may function weirdly similarly. That of course is pure speculation on my point of view. But back to what I was saying about Yoda, that Old Hermit probably knows even MORE STILL that he has not shared with the greater galaxy. Probably also knew of lots of Sith or Ex-Sith in hiding that he either ignored out of respect or knew they couldn't get to even if they wanted to... (Lots of folk, Force-Sensitive and not hiding away in some DANGEROUS parts of the galaxy, even for a Sith or Jedi. Some ESPECIALLY dangerous for them.) Honestly, I really like what little bit I DO know, and what I think I know about the Star Wars Universe and Lore. I strongly STILL believe "Gray" Jedi are a thing (Neutral Jedi that ran away from the order and still do good, but are not the biggest goody-two-shoes out there for political and personal reasons...) and I believe in a "Gray Sith" idea that is similar. A Sith that grew tired of the Sith "Order" of sorts, and just gains power for their own personal sake, may or may not do "good" because either they're turning "Good" or it's just a good wager for themselves personally, (Example: Protecting the nearby farmstead that has been feeding them for years from raiders and bandits) and might even be able to be on "good terms" with the Jedi Council if they ever HAD to talk to them, like requesting aid and offering information/etc... Possibly even HIDING their alignment (Since that seems to be a thing sometimes for sneakier force-users).
It's insane to me that so many people talk about the war in Afghanistan as some great moral failing of the US. Cause somehow the US spending billions of dollars to defend the rights of women to read on the opposite side of the planet is such an evil thing to do? The war in Afghanistan wasn't perfect, and a lot of good people died between civilians and soldiers, but at the end of the day, there are young people who have experienced a freedom that was immediately taken away when the US pulled out of Afghanistan
Alan, it disgusts me that someone would send you a death threat over a Disney series. I very much enjoy your channel, keep putting out great content, and stay safe sit.
Yoda isn't flawless individual, but when you commune with the light side of the force, you become gooder. This is what the acolyte didn't understand. The light side makes you good and the dark side corrupts. This is why starwars is about good and evil and not about interpretations of power.
We don't hear aboud Qimir in the movies so he's dead by then. Maybe Yoda thought Qimir and Plagueis where both dead, threat averted and he can say "the sith are extinct"
I think something that various writers have tried to portray with Yoda is; rigidness of thought. Which makes sense, at this point in time; Yoda's over 800 years old. He's going to have certain; patterns of thought he's comfortable with.
I dont think plagueis age has really been changed all the dates of plagueis timeline are pretty vague but he was born anywhere between 170ish to 125ish BBY and by 100BBY he was already well under training with tenebrous the only criticism levied there could be that if the planet we see is truly Bal'demnic that he would have discovered the planet/cortosis earlier than in the James Luceno novel, but thats all
Terrific video as always. 14:00 where is this footage from?
so george lucas was pioneering some more greenscreen tech after the prequels and he wanted to create a star wars underworld tv show, he had several episodes written it was going to be epic... boba fett was going to be in it and it was going to feature a bunch of criminal syndicates. That was like tech demo... it was such a missed opportunity. And we got boba fett instead...
@@GenerationTechI’m still mad that LucasArts canceled 1313
bro don't even start
@@GenerationTech 1313 looked so good tho! At least we got jedi fallen order/survivor
@@GenerationTech I fail to understand why they wouldn't go with such a thing when it would print money. Something like that that has Boba would have been some of the easiest money in the history of the franchise.
Man, it's almost like the giant mining facility that the witches lived in could have used an OSHA inspection
Sidious: Ironic.
FYI, it would be MSHA for Mine Safety Health Administration
@@YungRodge lmao no wonder they blew up. They had the wrong safety organization.
@@YungRodge Mai-sha?!?!?
9/10 lol
You can't convince me Yoda wasn't on the toilet when Venestra walked in.
Yoda doesn't go to the bathroom. He recycles all his waste with the force. Then once her century he produces a holocron.
A Japanese squat toilet, it is.
That’s why Vernestra was so apologetic about barging in on him 😂
Wiping I was
@@kentvesser9484 OMG the holocron bit made me lol
When the Enemy sets a Trap, and you want to know who your Enemy is; Spring the Trap. The Enemy will show up.
@@johnhodgson4216 we the audience have the benefit of knowing who Plagueis/ hego damask is. Yoda does not. He can’t read minds and has to plan accordingly.
@@tonyyao4785 also lets not forget the giant dark side landmine they built the templ on
@GenerationTech that just propagates their incompetence
Marine
@@tonyyao4785 Are we *sure* that Yoda _can't_ read minds...?
I just want Yoda to say "always two there are. No more, no less. A master to embody power, and an apprentice to crave it" to Vernestra matter-of-factly.
that would be very minimalistic and fitting classic yoda
"OSHA" not reaching her full regulatory powers is CRAZY work! 🤣 🤣🤣🤣
frankly I'm surprised the joke took this long to be reported 🤣
@@CLBarr it’s Star Wars anything can happen lmao. Anikan’s mom was the same level of crazy
And then they corrupted her which is why there's no guardrails in the galaxy.
@@grandsome1😂😂
@@grandsome1 Well it does make it easier for force users to fall if there aren't any.
Maybe I misinterpreted it, but I took it as Vernestra Rwoh going to talk to Yoda about how her old apprentice has resurfaced and tell him about how Qimir, as a fallen Jedi, has taken out Master Sol and the others. I got the feeling that she didn't suspect anything to do with the Sith, just that her old apprentice is back to take revenge. Which would neatly close this whole plot hole nonsense about the Jedi council not knowing about the Sith just 130 years earlier.
Vernestra can sense what took place in every crime scene she walks onto. This is clearly established two or three times.
Vernestra can sense what took place in every crime scene she walks onto. This is clearly established two or three times.
THIS!!!!! I assume Yoda knew about Qimir's fall to the darkside and would want to know if a former Jedi gone rogue was flitting about the galaxy.
It also makes Rancors argument against the Jedi valid. With no over sight she trained someone, and now they’ve gone rouge and is killing members of the Jedi.
@@Loki_YogiYes and she sense her old apprentice has fallen but the darkside and Sith are not the same thing, so this is kinda of a sementics argument that allows them to keep denying the Sith existence simply because there are no declared Sith threats on them.
This guy has more filming locations than most shows.
"Only two there are, a master and an apprentice ..."
... And the apprentice's (not so) secret apprentice ...
... And the master's secret apprentice ...
... And the apprentice's secret apprentice's secret apprentice ...
... And the master's secret apprentice's secret apprentice ...
You forget ….. and former apprentice and their apprentice.
@@SpottedHares the problem with the sith is even under the rule of two they betray eachother drastically. but the secret apprentices are not true sith until their masters can officially give the title, therein are never truly darth. more like sith assassins. and that separates the difference
tbh i thought vanessa was going to ask yoda how to deal with her lost apprentice and keep the rest of the details hidden
ya
That’s exactly what o thought the ending was implying, especially since it follows so closely after her lies on Master Sol
I truly do wonder if certain Star Wars fans out there know that Episode 13 of Season 6 of the Clone Wars exists. Yoda straight up had visions and an event occur where he saw Anakin behead Dooku and he fought Sidious. How that information doesn’t get passed down to anyone is beyond me. Yoda is a very flawed and secretive character why anyone would think that he is the opposite makes no sense.
I’m sure they do know, they just don’t wanna acknowledge it just because they wanna shit on the acolyte
Well I think a bunch of this ties into the visions he went through with the force priestesses where he had to learn to let go of the Jedi Order because it had fallen from what it was meant to be as they failed at many different crossroads where they could’ve done what they’re intended to do at the core of their religion. Yoda was to survive so that he could train Luke the one to bring balance (or aid Vader/Anakin to come back to the light side to destroy the Sith). The only thing that it does bring question is why Yoda was so apprehensive against training Luke on Degobah. Yoda learned during those force visions that he has to be willing to let it all be destroyed even with the duel with Sidious in the last vision he had to be willing to let himself die to save Anakin so that he could turn to destroy the Jedi and eventually the Sith before coming back to the light side because of his sons love. Don’t get me wrong the identity politics that disneys been pushing is quite annoying and it would be nice if they’d stop trying to push real world identity politics and focus on trying to make a good story that actually has continuity through the story along with good character arcs so that we all can get behind the story. The best piece of product that Disney has put out was Rogue One and the series tied into it Andor because it had good character arcs that actually added to the entire Star Wars storyline in a positive way.
@@ReckSaber3664, I agree with you. It's much easier to shit on things and baselessly point things out as "lore-breaking" than accept that Yoda and the Jedi, though noble and wise on the whole, were always complex and imperfect.
For those who don't know, most of the Clone Wars animated series got sign-off from Lucas himself and was produced/directed by Dave Filoni well before the acquisition of LucasArts by Disney.
Don’t say that! You’ll hurt their tiny egos and make them implode
Or, the show is bad regardless?
Isnt that why yoda went in exhile? Because "failed I have", not just in defeating sidious but the Jedi itself
it is one of the main reasons yup
Darth Plagueis age wasn't changed. He told Palpatine in 65 Bby that he was over 100 years old. Which means he was born in at least 166 BBY.
I think the show has made him like 50 years older from the legends novel or something like that but it really doesnt matter, just like Master Foreheads age lol
In the novels both Plageuis and his master were extremely long lived species like 1,000 years plus. It explains how they set up everything Plageuis master was in charge of Banking clan or Something similar so funded whole Sith plan.
Darth Plagueis is a banker which is why he was trying to get Qimir to pay him back the loans he borrowed from him with interest.
For real though, isn’t cortosis an extremely hard to find and probably of insane value? It would make sense for someone like Plagueis to have someone stationed around one of the very few mines of cortosis out there. Both as a Sith and a business man.
@@zaurijunior He bought up all the land in the novel. He had a monopoly on the mineral
@@kenknowlton3085 well, with that in mind we can already tell that The Acolyte is going to focus on Plagueis and will be to his novel what The Siege of Mandalore was to Ahsoka's novel
He knew all the time 😮
@@tufab3494 I'm sure that you are right about that.
Alan has always been a dependable voice of reason within the fandom, it's disturbing people have sent him death threats over something as minor as this show. :(
Those people can't stand positivity. They literally come here to try and get people to be as miserable as them🤡 and then when it doesn't work they use death threats
I’d want to see Yodas unhinged web of connecting dots leading to the Sith 😂
like charlie from it's always sunny? haha i can see yoda doing that while also hopping around the room like in his fight with dooku.
Darth Pepe Silvia
Connected like the force it is.
@@toodlepop Now I'm totally picturing Yoda with not just one murder board, but dozens of them with lines of yarn connecting them from all sides of the room haha! :P
"Threads of deception hides a truth. Force into light it will. Mmmm" Yoda decades before BBY
"this is gonna piss fans off"
Come on now, everything pisses fans off 😂
for real
Yoda: *knew all along about the Sith*
Force Qui-Gon Jinn: *does the Unimpressed Dude Meme pose after dying to Darth Maul whom he tried to warn the Jedi Council about*
You don't know what vernestras going to say to yoda, no one other than her has a hint of it, she hasn't even seen the sith lord... you'd know if you were paying attention.
@@popcrazyfishProductions I'm paying lots of attention, I just refuse to pay for Disney+ so I'll never watch the show.
@@Stop_Gooningwow being caught in a lie so you lie again to cover your ass.
I'll give you the TLDR then, Yoda according to this show does not know about the sith. The green alien woman who came to speak to Yoda appears to believe the villains of this show are evil Jedi who have gone Rogue.
For PT fans this show might even enhance the PT. Because now Yoda appears to know some Jedi have gone evil in the past which maybe explains more of the distrust the council had towards Anakin feeling he could become an evil Jedi @@Stop_Gooning
@@Thed538dhsk What's the difference between an *evil, rogue Jedi* and a Sith? They've both got red lightsabers. Same thing, right?
I wanted you to know that I find your critique of the acolyte exemplary. You're honest with the good and the bad of the series but still putting forward the love of Star Wars that we all have. Thank You.
It sucks these assholes are sending you death threats over a Disney show.
For what it's worth your my favorite SW UA-camr Alan, I hope your channel never changes.
That OSHA joke was top tier
Amandla is a baddie though, she could turn me to the darkside any time
The plot hole in canon we haven’t explored is in the Phantom Menace both Yoda and Windu knew about the rule of two, and in the Clone Wars Yoda knows who Darth Bane is. I think that needs explored and if they kill Osha and Qimir in season 2 that could be how. I’d be fine with a High Council cover up if they think they killed both master and apprentice.
I don’t think Windu knew he just learned from yoda during that conversation
@@Silas_Barbour I think so because Windu in episode 1 was not in the know.
1000 years of peace doesn't mean all knowledge was burned. Trillions were killed, planets were destroyed, the wars that had occured before the peace would never be forgotten by the Jedi.
Look at how much we are curious about this fake lore lol. Imagine the dark side evil boogyman being real. And could come back. With more wars and footage to learn about in a thousand lifetimes.
Holocaust - Never Again
9/11 Never Forget
I always interpreted it as the Jedi having something of a "restricted section" of their library like Harry Potter. They have holocrons that only Masters can access, which details what they know about the Sith.
. . . my personal Theory: there's a mention in Legends Lore- regarding a Sith Apprentice, who came to Reject the Dark Side, embraced The Light . . . and walked away from ways of The Sith, either an Apprentice of Darth Zannah or her Successor . . .
. . . I believe- Yoda, was this Sith Lord. . . . it would explain, how he knew about Darth Bane and The Rule of Two- for he learned these facts, from the Woman who defeated The Founder in Battle, or the one who went on to defeat her . . .
. . . when Yoda told Luke Skywalker in "Empire"- "Once you go down The Dark Path- forever, will it dominate your Destiny- consume you, it will . . ." he was speaking, from real experience . . .
. . . I believe- Venestra, would have known of this terrible secret- Yoda, may have trusted her enough to confide in her . . . Windu, in contrast- would have Slain Yoda without mercy, had he known- The Grandmaster would have told Mace, just enough- to not raise Suspicion . . .
. . . irrespective- Darth Plagious, Darth Sidious . . . would have considered Grandmaster Yoda- to be their greatest Ally . . . an ex-Sith Lord, running the Jedi Order . . . heh- no wonder Sidious called Yoda, his "Little Green Friend"- I don't think, that phrase was spoken, totally in Mockery . . . but, in partial recognition- for Yoda's crucial contribution to The Sith Grand Plan . . .
. . . only after Order 66- would Yoda face the consequences, of his actions Centuries before . . . for his very presence, amongst the Leadership of the Jedi- Doomed them ultimately, to total Destruction . . .
. . . what a tragic Burden to bear . . . so many loved ones, slaughtered despite your own abjurement of The Dark Side . . . if true- it would put Yoda alongside Vader himself, as one of Star Wars most complicated figures . . .
Always so insightful. You add something to every viewing of an episode, no matter how good or bad the episode. And your background location and composition of your shot is really beautiful.
Thanks!
thanks michael!
I first watched Star Wars in the summer of 1977. I have been waiting for a Star Wars project that shows the Jedi as fallible monks who do the best they can with the information they have at the time. Then dealing with the fallout of the choices they made. I have to agree with Allen 100% with everything he points out in this video.
Cool. Another 77 original fan. I saw it at the Drive in when I was 10 Sitting in my Older brothers car.
Everyone else dozed off and I was hooked for life.
@@l1a146 I watched all three of the OT Movies in a single-screen movie theater. I don't think there are many of those left in the world. The last time I was in the town I grew up in the theater had been converted into a Goodwill.
Chinese Theater, L.A., first weekend. Fifth Grade. They didn't have mass releases back then.
We learned in the Prequels that Yoda messed up bad, and that is why he became swamp thing in the Originals.
Hey Alan, Kind Words to you and the Family!
thanks!
OSHA has not reached her full regulatory powers is my favorite quote on the Internet this week.
I mean Yoda only knows what Vernestra tells him. Which might only be that her old padawan has fallen and is still alive. Even if she mentions Sol it will be a lie.
I think she carries the Sol cover up to the grave
Yoda said failure is the greatest teacher so I believe he learned that first hand
As an originals aged Star Wars fan I absolutely love the way the Jedi were portrayed in this series, it’s about time we had a non skywalker story and the people at fault were the Jedi! Loved it.
Hear, hear!
@@DarthJarJar10 The concept is a good one. The execution of it was terrible. People are screaming WOKE this and GAY that. Could care less, if the characters are well written and acted. The writing was horrid, and the lead actress was terrible, not to mention an open racist.
So, as an "originals aged" SW fan, (whatever that means) you're completely fine with showing the Jedi as incompetent, corrupt, selfish, fearful idiots who will throw their highly respected fellow Master (who also was trusted with training younglings) under the bus... for... reasons??
Ok. Sure, buddy.
You have fun with that one. 👌
@@Loki_Yogi That's what I hate about this show especially because I love the Jedi but that's not the problem most people have with this show. For a lot of people, it's not even about the bad writing and we can observe that very easily.
It's really not even the shows fault for writing the Jedi that way, it's been a process that fans (especially TCW fans) have been egging on for years. From here, it's just going to get worse and worse especially if Dave Filoni is involved. The Jedi will continue to be portrayed as incompetent, corrupt and selfish because the masses demand it
A lot of people will openly say the CIS is the good guy of the Clone Wars despite the atrocities they commit. They will do all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify it and usually people will call it 'the lesser of two evils.' It's been like that for years. That should tell you the direction Star Wars is going
Yeah, now if we can just get a 'Lord of the Rings' story in which Gandalf and Aragorn and Frodo are all a bunch of shady, corrupt people, and Saruman and Sauron are just misunderstood, we'll be making some progress in ruining great stories all to be "dark and edgy".
Still don't think this breaks canon! Not even Vernestra knows that Qimir is Sith, the only person who knew Qimir was Sith was Sol. Sol never said the word "Sith" to Vernestra and now he's dead. For all Vernestra knows Qimir very well could be a "rogue jedi" or "dark jedi". The Sith still are not referred to by name until TPM
Exactly, but anyone with a red lightsaber can be looked at as a “sith”. Qimir thinks of himself as a sith, similar to how Ventress thought of herself as Dooku’s apprentice(which in that case she was), but in the end, she was merely dooku’s tool. I think Qimir will be a similar thing to Plagueis. Once he finds Plagueis, he’ll learn he was manipulated all along and be tossed aside.
@@tonyyao4785 and Leslye Headland herself has confirmed that Qimir and Osha are not Banite Sith. That scene with Darth Plagueis in the cave, he was spying on them. He's not Qimir's master (at least not yet)
@tonyyao4785 he didn't call himself a sith, he just said that THEY would call him one.
They would know if he as a rogue Jedi or a dark Jedi because they'd know about any rejected Jedi that could have been his mentor.
A Sith trained by another Sith makes way more sense in this situation.
@@grantjackson8183 even better. the same outcome is going to end up happening. Qimir and Osha accept Plagueis’ offer, then after they do their service, get betrayed. Classic
Here’s the key takeaway of this: we *don’t* know what the _immediate outcome_ of this conversation is. Would Master Vernestra confide with Master Yoda with the truth about the events in question; her coverup of a coverup conspiracy; and/or inform him about her former pupil staying alive?
For anyone that says otherwise, then please post a video of the extended cut of that scene and share with us the transcript of said conversation (not happening).
Besides, this plays with the whole Ki-Adi Mundi “conspiracy” (not the age one, the “lack of knowledge of the Sith”). No one from the strike team (the one sent to prevent Mae from killing Kelnacca), including Sol, survived long enough to get the word out about the “Sith” return. Not to mention that Mae’s memory has been tempered with so the odds of Sith discovery is slim to none.
And for those that claimed that this “breaks lore”, in Legends (around a similar timeframe), a Dark Jedi informed Yoda about the Rule of Two, so a similar scenario would take place in the foreseeable future
If this theory is correct, it could mean that Yoda knew the prophesy had to play out just as it did. Yoda might have been too hesitant to act upon a prophesy. Just as he told Anakin not to act upon his visions. Maybe he didn’t know exactly how the sith would come back into power but he knew he could not meddle with what the Whills have decided for the galaxy
I was kind of thinking this...like Dr. Strange and the one way to win. Or well I guess he would be Tony?
Its wild for me that there are people complaining they "made jedi look bad" while the whole point of the prequels was to show how corrupt even an organization dedicated to good can become. The history of the jedi is the LITERAL "the way to hell is paved with good intentions"
Maybe it went over peoples heads? I mean I understand why OT people wouldn’t like the acolyte because someone like the PT. But I’m just confused especially because we’ve been talking about it on this channel for like 5 years
I'm not sure if all the criticisms are genuine. Some of the youtubers making videos criticizing this are definitely old enough to be around when the prequels came out and when the old Star Wars EU was flowering. There have been EU stories about the Jedi acting as enforcers for an increasingly corrupt Republic to stamp out popular uprisings. Let's not forget how Grievous started his career as a Jedi killer. He became a hero of his people during their war against invaders, but the Republic and the Jedi sided with the invaders, thus igniting his hatred for the Republic and the Jedi.
When I was 10 years old back in 1980, I learned that Jedi were capable of lying. I am not AT ALL surprised that Yoda would cover up the existence of the Sith.
That puts you 44 years ahead of the majority of the fan base.
Thank you. Commented as such. Should have just gave you the thumb up. 😂
I just cant get over when they made the mistake of introducing new lightsaber colors like green, eww, only blue and red lightsabers are cannon and you cant convince me otherwise
Genius, This sums up the “fan base”
I needed this. Thank you!
If we go into the Coruscant underworld in a future show, I need Tera Sinube to show up
who?
@@ForestRaptorreally old turtle jedi who trained younglings in his old age. However his specialty was investigating crime in the Coruscant underground. He helped Ahsoka find her lightsaber, after it was stolen in the episode “Lightsaber Lost”… we also see his corpse in the Kenobi show, frozen under the Inquisitors fortress.
Tera Sinube could have it's own "Criminal investigations" show
I think Yoda knew about the Siths existence. Yoda and Darth Plaqueis had card night each week and went out to dinner too. They would talk about Light and Dark Side affairs.
Yoda said "we're all good, as long as you don't have any apprentices."
Yoda knew about the rule of two of darth bane (clone wars). I'm pretty sure he is aware of the existence of sith
He had to know since the presumption of the sith extinction for a millinia would pre-date Yoda's birth. So he either learned the rule of two in a vision or he's talking to the sith.
Kibh Jeen became a Dark Jedi. He went mad. I believe he learned about the Rule of 2 from Darth Rivan. When the Jedi confronted Jeen he rambled to the Jedi about the Rule of 2. They didn't believe him initially but later considered it to be true. So Yoda learned of the Rule of 2 from that story.
Alan, amazing video as always. i found your channel about a week ago and have been binge watching the crap out of it!! keep up the great work!
Idk why Star Wars fans act like Yoda isn’t the same guy who found out the Clone Army was commissioned by the enemy and was like “welp I guess we gotta keep it a secret now and see how things play out”
Because at that point, it was too late to do something about it, and the Jedi didn't have any other options. This situation is the exact opposite. That's why it makes no sense😂
Doesn't the discovery also directly tie into the arc where Yoda learns about transcendence from the Priestesses, where they show him the future of what will become of the order? I've heard it explained that those two arcs are tied so closely together that Yoda's arc may have happened first, and that he already knew of the impending Order 66, and had to let it play out. For multiple decades leading up to 66, jedi youth had slowly shifted into thought processes and ideologies that strayed form the ways that Yoda and other older masters had been taught and teaching, and that was exacerbated by the war as well. Yoda had learned of what was to come before the downfall, and was told by the Priestesses not to mention it, if I recall correctly? Or, he made the decision not to tell them because it was too late, etc. There's a lot more open theory on that, but at least Yoda's take on your issue is much more explainable than the information from this show being sat on for about 85 years and then not being remembered in TPM.
You might be accurate with the thumbnail, but the fans have already erupted into a fiery super volcano.
Honestly, the Acolyte has made the Jedi even more interesting because the Acolyte isn't trying to keep the Jedi spotless. They are leaning into the already known issues of the Jedi.
A morally complex Yoda makes his conversation in TLJ even richer
Maybe this could also somewhat show why Yoda is very against jedi having any attachments in the Prequels.
Maybe Yoda heard of the cover up in the Acolyte and everything that happened and believed it all happened because the jedi allowed themselves to much into their attachments.
Exactly!
They were during the HR a lot more loose so it fits
Love the positivity here man. Keep it up.
Yoda knew about the rule of two and Darth Bane so it's possible he learns more than he gives off.
i really liked the acolyte, its nice to see the cannon going further back in time, kinda wish they would make the jadai cannon too that would be cool to see as a show.
This could mean Yoda was involved in the greatest cover up in Jedi and Galactic History which is an interesting take.
As well as the second greatest cover up. That we know of, at least.
And that’s why the Force had to create Anakin to slaughter them, they’re too corrupt and have moved away from the force and into politics
Why is that interesting? People act like it's so stroke of creative genius to take a good character and make him not-so-good.
@@Joel-wx7zk That seems like overkill, like executing people for jaywalking. Jedi kept the peace for a thousand years, but they got too involved in politics. I guess they all need to die. Okay, that makes sense.
Sorry, but this is a twisting of 'Star Wars', a desperation to be "dark and edgy" because it's assumed that that makes it more artistic or profound or whatever. I guess we should rewrite 'The Lord of the Rings' and turn Gandalf into a shady figure, same with Aragorn. Make Saruman and Sauron sympathetic people who were just misunderstood.
@@BroadMeadow-d9sExactly. This show is weird, basically every creative idea Lucas had, these writers tried to duplicate and make it better. "Lucas had one chosen one?? That's fine we'll make TWO." This show is pure trash
I never wished a show never existed as much as this one and never celebrated a show to be over as much as this one!
Funny enough, this isn't the first time, since in the clone wars he was shown order 66, meaning he could have gone like "forgot to feed my dog I have, Windu go to kashiik you must" just so he can stay with Anakin as a result (also if I missed anything, I will just say the last time I watched the clone wars was around 4 years ago, I wanted to rewatch it but so far it's torture, I stopped like twice already in the middle of an episode)
Well it’s not like he knew when it would happen or if it was even destined to happen
He so a possible fall of the Jedi, not how and if would come to be. Even Windu sensed a plot to end the Jedi.
Master Sol had a chance to let the Jedi Council know when he was sending them a report that the Sith had returned 100 years earlier than when Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan let them know about Darth Maul.
The biggest issue that I had was when Osha turned Sol's lightsaber blade from blue to red just from being pissed off. That's not how you "bleed" a kyber crystal. You have to direct a lot more rage, anger, and hatred over a long period of time into the crystal.
The Acolyte and Generation Tech goes hand in hand for me because both make think deep about Star Wars. The saga’s universe finally feels bigger and real for me now.
Same. As a fan of kotor and other legends materials
If The Acolyte made you "think" ... especially in some deeper way... then idk what to tell you.
Love ur work man so detailed
Yoda is old enough to have seen some crazy shit: Jedi banging each other in the library, crazy dark side artifacts, several human lifetimes of lived experience, his relationship to yaddle and Grogu, he could be all spiced out for all we know and that’s why he talks like that
He let all this shit to play out just to study it because yoda is more than a Jedi grand master
He was the way ahsoka is now
If I was that old like Yoda, I would probably not even care about life of other people, they would be just like mosquitos for me. 😀
Cool to see you so open when talking directly to the fans
And this is a good example of why I understand why many have a problem with this type of thing. If a new Star Wars show just didn’t blow my socks off fine. But things like this don’t add to the lore/cannon/story/legacy, it’s takes away or changes it.
I’ve always thought Disney should make a house of cards style show about Palpatine’s rise in the senate
To be fair we don’t see what she tells Yoda, I assume she says the same to him as she did to the senate. Mae’s current condition is what I think Vernestra was talking to Yoda about, and not what really happened with the Brendok 4. I doubt they will let her train Mae, but maybe she can convince Yoda to let her take on a civilian job within the order (like Bazil the tracker) going forward.
I thought I saw somewhere the connections that Yoda knew ALL of this before hand, but he also knew that this was how it had to play out. Like Dr. Strange... he had seen millions of alternate timelines and only one path led to redemption.
One last thing: As someone who lived through it, was a block away from the World Trade Center when they fell on 9/11, saw the plane hit the second tower with my own eyes, and felt the ground shake from the collapse, your take on Bush and America was spot on. The country, and particularly where I live, New York City, was getting crazy. Bush took the easy scape goat target that was something that initially could somewhat unify the country. And he had support from a lot of countries, in the beginning, as well.
Great video man, your commentary is unmatched
7:50 "They only stay paragons of the Light Side when you don't peek under the robe." -- This, 100% this. I've been saying this for weeks now, ever since people started criticizing the flawed Jedi portrayed in Acolyte. The Jedi have NEVER been perfect paragons of flawless omniscient godliness -- sure, they have what we see as amazing Force powers, but they're still normal people, and they're just as flawed and just as fallible as any other people, with or without access to the Force.
And yeah, I'm an old-school Star Wars fan -- I grew up watching the original trilogy in the theater on release -- and once Lucas started exploring more of who and what the Jedi are, it became clear that they were just as capable of mistakes and flaws as anyone else. So don't worry, Alan, this doesn't piss me off -- it actually relieves me that I'm not the only one who realizes this! :P
My boy, this was the best commentary I've heard regarding Yoda and the Jedi that I've heard. Your real-life comparison using Bush was great, good job.
"This is Generation Tech and Im live from my marijuana farm."
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Allen I watch all your videos. Keep it up. You give great insight on things most over look.
I am so sorry that you get death threats dude, you have by far the most nuanced takes on this rapidly burning property and you are the only interest I still have in Star Wars. Thank you for all of your content and for still trying, despite the vitriolic members of the fanbase.
I want to see receipts
I think its absolutley insane that people threaten and make death threats over difference of opinions on things like movies etc. Our world has become a looney bin.
Would it be cool if Allan cosplay as Young Jedi Sol?
Why not just Qimir? Have you seen Alan's guns?
Bane made holocrons of his teachings. It's not wrong to think the Jedi came across some of these over time.
We don’t know if she told Yoda the truth though… I doubt we will ever know, I have a feeling Season 2 won’t be coming lol.
I love your videos so much. You have a unique type and can make serious videos that are still funny and cool.
I always wondered how Yoda knew that. Coupled with him going into exile because he “failed” so badly. But if he didn’t know anything, how could he fail? That would be ignorance, right?
He tried to kill Darth Sidious and failed. What's complicated about it?
When u are the wisest of the wise, ignorance is a huge failure.
He failed because he did know, or at least had a good idea that the sith may still be out there and he made the wrong decision by waiting until he couldn’t hide it anymore when maul popped up.
He failed because he SHOULD have known..he was in charge and never saw it comiq..
That's a huge failure on his part...@@chrishealton3830
Finally finding someone with good, well though out reviews and recaps. Very Nice content, very good deep dives into the lore and meaning behind whats happening!
At this point what she says to Yoda is pure speculation. Until we know, everything is hypothetical and shouldn’t be taken to seriously.
Se must crticise beforehand as to prevent it.
Alan, I disagree with you about Darth Sidious. I would challenge that he is much smarter than his master and the Jedi. Palpatine spent years setting his plans in place and was able to completely deceive the entire Senate and the Jedi. The den jedi had no idea he was the Sith Lord, until he allowed them to know. All that being said, Palpatine was the smartest player on the field.
7:05 that's very disturbing thing for something you mention casual.
It just comes with the territory it’s usually not serious, some people are a bit unhinged and on the internet too much
The joke about OSHA and the fire was hilarious 😂
We're not sure what she's going to tell Yoda. She could be getting ready to lie to him. However, he does know all about the Rule of Two when he shouldn't, like he's been investigating it for a very long time, in secret, with Venestra. After all, we know he's not above a cover up. In Clone Wars, season 6, he covers up the fact that Sifo Diyas was killed by Dooku and Dooku killed his own friend and ordered the Clone army.
In that imo terrible clone wars show, didn't Yoda also find out about order 66 prior to it happening or at least the idea of order 66 being implemented?
@@Thed538dhsk if I remember correctly, I think that was all the same situation. I want to make sure I have it all correct so I'll watch it again but, I think he found out about the chips or that something was wrong with the clones. I don't think he knew about Order 66 specifically. I'll let you know in a bit though.
@@taylormadealpha thx I appreciate it. I don't like that show
i always found it interesting why palpatine asked anakin if he had ever heard "the tragedy of darth plagueis the wise" bc ofc not why would he...UNLESS season 2 of the acolyte explores how yoda may have learned of plagueis which is why Palpatine wouldn't be surprised that "it's not a story the jedi would tell" anakin.
😮" Into exile I must go.
Failed I have. "
---- YODA
He failed to kill Darth Sidious. That is true.
@@BroadMeadow-d9s Exactly. Not sure why are some pushing anything beside that. He meant he didn't beat Sidious, nothing else.
Hey Allen, I've fallen behind in some of your videos on the Acolyte. I just think that shot of Yoda made shit got real. I honestly thought that Ki-Adi Mundi was just another Cerean. I truly believe that a season 2 would really show the beginning of the actual collapse of the Jedi wich we saw the Pinnacle of it with order 66. Really love your work
Venestra is basically Jedi Internal Affairs.
I was thinking about it, and if Mundi was involved in the cover up, wouldn’t it make sense that he would continue the cover up? So that line from the prequels would make sense. And to be fair, as it stands we don’t know Venestra tells Yoda. Lucas always saw the Jedi as the good guys, the representatives of the Light Side, but portrayed them as flawed heroes because, as you said, perfect characters are boring.
This is another level os screw up and retcon, of the likes of taking all the credibility of a deaths. If that happens we can't believe in anything that we se on screen beacause writers will always come with loose interpretations of scenes, which is not clever, it just makes your universe lose weight and fans desengage. This clearly is not what Lucas meant with those sentences and don't be cinical to say otherwise, this is just cheap and disrespectful.
Every time you hear "we investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing" _that's_ Internal Affairs. They're THE MOST corrupt!
8:01 MY GUY YOU CANT SAY THESE THINGS 😂😂
The Jedi aren't necessarily bad but, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. 🤔
I really enjoy your videos.
Nah, this is just bad writting from people who don't know the lore. Please please don't try to rationalize ANY of this garbage.
Yoda’s dark side arch in TCWs hits way harder now
I have literally never trusted Yoda. When he was introduced in TESB in 1980 he came off super suspicious. He was a total dick to Luke and then he just sends him into a dark side cave. That was always suspect to me. And I get that the way it was explained is he went to a planet with a dark side nexus because it was easier to hide there. But was it?
Then when TPM came out in '99 and he's on the council him and Windu just come off like they're hiding something. It seems like they know something about Anakin or what he is. And I always thought the whole "two there are" thing was dumb in the first place, but I was also like "how the fuck do you know?" And as the prequels go on it becomes clear that Yoda knows shit he doesn't tell. The whole "perhaps mistranslated the prophecy was" or however he words it is especially telling. And if I'm being honest, his duplicitous dickishness extends to his force ghost's interaction with Luke in TLJ. Yoda knows Rey took the texts. And he basically tricks Luke into feeling guilty and sacrificing himself. I just don't trust Yoda.
Aren't retcons and headcan and fun?
Yes... because training someone to be a Jedi is a total dick move. 🤣🤣🤣
How retarded..
I suspect Vonestra Rwoh holds one of two positions of leadership within the Jedi Order. One is leader of the Jedi High Council. One is leader of the Jedi Order.
Master Yoda is leader of the High Council. Because Vonestra Rwoh represented and spoke for the Jedi Order before the Chancellor, I suspect that she was leader of the Jedi Order.
During the Prequels, Master Windu was briefly leader of the Jedi Order until the Clone War began, which is when he became General of the entire Grand Army of Republic. Yoda held both titles of leadership.
I love everytime Allan posts something, you know its gonna be well thought out! I appreciate your coverage of the Acolyte, it's so unfortunate that people hate it I feel like its often just on principle.
I agree about many things you say about Yoda, basically all of it. He was old, experienced, and powerful in the force. He had Wisdom from his centuries of life, knowledge he shared with the rest of the Jedi Council, and if he did not KNOW something, he often went out himself to find out using the force to guide him, which he has said a few times that he "Sensed" this or that through the force. He did not necessarily see, no text message, just the force sharing with him, "Something is wrong" or "So-and-so has turned to the Dark Side, or Perished".
He has indeed shared his thoughts and opinions to the other Jedi and many times they will be like, "Master Yoda, what do you think?" Yoda answers and one or many of the council, "I do not agree! Why did we ask you again?..." and that alone I strongly feels why he was often more "Neutral" when he spoke. If he says, "I promise you this or that is afoot" the others fought him. If he kept it vague or neutral, they tended to actually THINK about his words more before deciding, and he would slowly give reasons why he said what he says to make them sway a little bit more to his side. So I always felt that Yoda knew a LOT more than he would openly let on about simply because of how volatile the others often reacted.
"I think it was a Sith Lord..."
"Impossible. They have been extinct for a Millenia!" and "I "Do Not Believe" the Sith could have returned without us knowing "
And there that word "Impossible" being misused(Never did really like that word, even when it was true.). Improbable? I still think that is not accurate either. As Yoda said, "Hard to SEE, the Dark Side is..." and if the lore may still be accurate that Sith Holocrons are powerful and often DRAW people to them, especially Force Sensitives, who is to say the Sith could not be "reborn" some day in secret? Or if not "Sith" then at least a new Dark-Side using organization that may function weirdly similarly. That of course is pure speculation on my point of view. But back to what I was saying about Yoda, that Old Hermit probably knows even MORE STILL that he has not shared with the greater galaxy. Probably also knew of lots of Sith or Ex-Sith in hiding that he either ignored out of respect or knew they couldn't get to even if they wanted to... (Lots of folk, Force-Sensitive and not hiding away in some DANGEROUS parts of the galaxy, even for a Sith or Jedi. Some ESPECIALLY dangerous for them.)
Honestly, I really like what little bit I DO know, and what I think I know about the Star Wars Universe and Lore. I strongly STILL believe "Gray" Jedi are a thing (Neutral Jedi that ran away from the order and still do good, but are not the biggest goody-two-shoes out there for political and personal reasons...) and I believe in a "Gray Sith" idea that is similar. A Sith that grew tired of the Sith "Order" of sorts, and just gains power for their own personal sake, may or may not do "good" because either they're turning "Good" or it's just a good wager for themselves personally, (Example: Protecting the nearby farmstead that has been feeding them for years from raiders and bandits) and might even be able to be on "good terms" with the Jedi Council if they ever HAD to talk to them, like requesting aid and offering information/etc... Possibly even HIDING their alignment (Since that seems to be a thing sometimes for sneakier force-users).
It's insane to me that so many people talk about the war in Afghanistan as some great moral failing of the US. Cause somehow the US spending billions of dollars to defend the rights of women to read on the opposite side of the planet is such an evil thing to do? The war in Afghanistan wasn't perfect, and a lot of good people died between civilians and soldiers, but at the end of the day, there are young people who have experienced a freedom that was immediately taken away when the US pulled out of Afghanistan
Correct Iraq was the step too far.
They were there for nuuqs in Iraq...
Alan, it disgusts me that someone would send you a death threat over a Disney series. I very much enjoy your channel, keep putting out great content, and stay safe sit.
Torbin actually killed himself for literally no reason
Imagine killing yourself because you wanted to go home early
Amazing writing, right?
@@SucculentSnake098 That was literally a bit in South Park, it's in the Coon & Friends trilogy of episodes.
I mean being responsible for the death of 50+ people because you didn't want to keep it in your pants... it's pretty bad when you have conscious.
@@ForestRaptor Those witches committed suicide. Guilt free
Yoda isn't flawless individual, but when you commune with the light side of the force, you become gooder. This is what the acolyte didn't understand. The light side makes you good and the dark side corrupts. This is why starwars is about good and evil and not about interpretations of power.
I'm honestly with you one hundred percent... I definitely enjoyed the actual light... And your idea for yodo sounds fantastic ;3
We don't hear aboud Qimir in the movies so he's dead by then.
Maybe Yoda thought Qimir and Plagueis where both dead, threat averted and he can say "the sith are extinct"
I think something that various writers have tried to portray with Yoda is; rigidness of thought. Which makes sense, at this point in time; Yoda's over 800 years old. He's going to have certain; patterns of thought he's comfortable with.
I dont think plagueis age has really been changed all the dates of plagueis timeline are pretty vague but he was born anywhere between 170ish to 125ish BBY and by 100BBY he was already well under training with tenebrous
the only criticism levied there could be that if the planet we see is truly Bal'demnic that he would have discovered the planet/cortosis earlier than in the James Luceno novel, but thats all