Oh boy. There's already been an update (*spoiler* to the end of the video): The winning eBay bidder may have flaked out. *After* the auction ended, he asked to "negotiate," demanding a lower price than his winning bid. After I declined, he said that he is "still trying to decide" if he'll be going through with the purchase. I won't hold my breath 😑. I guess the PC is still on the table, but it will be tricky to flip now that the video is public, as it increases the risk of fraudulent buyers. Conversely, buyers aware that this is a "UA-camr PC" may pay more for it (oddly), compromising the integrity of this whole flipping experiment. Not sure if there's any potential content here for a follow-up video, but any suggestions are welcome! Side note: Oof yeah, I should have swapped back the original motherboard once I got the SSD working. I'm not sure how much it matters now, but that was a complete brain fart on my end. Certainly not the last!
I ran into a similar issue on my Asus x570 crosshair hero mobo. Intermittent Nvme ssd cut out. Notice a few of my game icons were blanks one day when I booted her up. Turns out to be a shitty mount. The previous owner hadnt installed a screw to hold it down, just used the heatsink and Its screw, probably figured the thermal pad would hold it... well eventually it vibrated it way loose. Sounds like you may have ran into the same thing. Test the "faulty" Inland on another rig and see. Seems like it may be a buggy/shitty mount if Another "known good" ssd flaked causing you to think it was the mobo in the first place.
Hey man if your willing to work with me to trade in some of my PC parts I'm literally begging to buy the GPU out or something idk or I can give you advice for selling this lol. Let me know.
you look excited as in this video (Great to see brother, well at least the first half LOL). The scene is HEAPS of fun. Though with flips it always comes down to the three main components, bling, CPU and GPU, always maximize value for the highest of all three. the motherboard and extra costs threw that build out easily. As for those problems, two different mobos and two different ssds with problems, most likely would point towards a semi faulty power supply.
Im glad to see you here Brian. Kyle should take a look at your vids, you rarely do a straight up flip. You pull items out and swap for more price performance to help drive the profit margin then use the other parts for a different build. You guys should do an over seas flip challenge. $600 budget to make a pc and sell it for the most profit.
When I heard the $1000 price tag I already knew he was doomed. You can build a similar spec with a i5 10400f and RTX 3060 brand new for that price. Who would buy a 5 year old spec with no warranty and old features when compared to a brand new spec, with warranty and the latest features.
especially with a 1080. 1080ti would've been better (for Dec. 2021 prices ) but nowadays, no way lol. Had trouble selling a 12400 and 3060ti system for $1,300
He's way out of touch.All he did was make cosmetic upgrades.Most buyers dont give a crap about that.They just want good specs and will make cosmetic changes on there own.
true i have really similar specs in my current pc and i am curently purchasing a 3080 and i have been loking to sell my strix 1080 but the selling prices just aren't to promising so i will probably just keep it for my knock off mini itx series x
Once the SSD was determined to be the issue and the board was good, I would've put it back in the build. The RGB was a nice touch and definitely something to catch the eye. While the all white build was clean and sleek, that is much more niche of a style than your standard RGB out the wazoo build. And the loss of onboard wifi too. But hey, live and learn, thanks for recording your experience of flipping a PC!
Also, why not check the SSD first when troubleshooting? That seemed most likely to be the problem and would have been an easier first step than disassembly of the entire computer to swap the motherboard. The motherboard should have been the final step when all other possible problems were eliminated.
@NoobSniper I completely agree. Not having WiFi and the loss of that rgb inside are two very good reasons to put the motherboard back. I don't know why Kyle didn't think of this.
@Kyle Wagner He swapped the ssd first with a different ssd and even that was giving the same problem. He tells that in the video. Did you miss that? But it is weird that even the second ssd was giving the same issue while the third one is giving no problems.
Forsure, but he has a ton of parts laying around and swapping out the board is a good amount of work. So I don't blame him at all for just being done with it lol.
This lost me as well once we lost the motherboard, Wi-Fi, and strip. Also a $100 gain would not nearly make up for the man hours spent on the troubleshooting and switches. The video views more than make up for it, however, a viewer trying to do this would not have that advantage.
Nice video Kyle! But oof... That's a tough loss. I have to imagine price trends for GPUs in particular hurt your potential profits between December and March. Great lesson for any entrepreneurial PC builders who have considered attempting this as a business though 👍
Trying to flip a build that was already done is difficult as there isn't much headroom. Usually from PC's i've flipped i had better luck with buying used parts and building a PC to sell. Gives me more headroom on the price.
expected really more of him - bios issue was never a topic for the nvme problem. revision on that z370-e was from 2017. 24!! newer revisions since that. - the "z370-e" was still in the craig's list specs, not the "new" prime z370-a
Flipping for 2 years. In my experience buyers who usually buy custom builds off craigslist and OfferUp buy because of the lower price. When you get to a certain point, buyers just wont appreciate the extra cosmetic stuff. Also, eBay auctions are usually lower than "Buy it now" pricing. Starting buyitnow price should have been set at $999 + shipping with offers enabled. Once you encounter an acceptable offer... accept. Lastly, activating Windows 10 Pro goes a longggg way. Instead of heatsinc covers and custom sleeves.... YOU SHOULD HAVE ACTIVATED WINDOWS FOR LOCAL BUYERS! lol Flipping from the standpoint of an average seller on local markets is incredibly competitive. Nice to see videos like this showing the reality and risks. Love your channel!
big agree, flipped for about 6 months and for me i found over 1k was hard to find serious buyers local to me, windows activation is also huge and super cheap, very worth it.
I've been selling computers and computer parts for decades. Kyle, you have a lot to learn. Be careful buying any part from CL as it is more than likely not working. Always have it turned on first and stress tested before buying. Never buy it just upon visual inspection without trying it out. You'll get screwed over almost every time. There are a ton of scammers out there. The mindset is treat EVERYONE as a scammer when buying or selling anything used. You got lucky to not be scammed. Also, "flipping" parts isn't that easy unless you are paying pawn shop prices. What you bought was about what I could call normal street actual buy price. Meaning at what you paid for $1000, you weren't ever going to get anything more than that. If you were actually wanting to flip it, you should have paid no more than $600 for that to sell for $1000. Most people also aren't looking on CL to buy $1000+ used PCs typically. Last year due to the nature of the world and computer market was about the only time I have ever seen in 3 decades of doing this (sometimes as my full time job) that I saw a huge demand for any sort of gaming PC regardless of the price and where it was being sold. Lastly, as mentioned earlier, most people don't give two craps about looks when buying a PC when factoring in cost 99% of the time if they are not building it themselves. You probably would have made more money splitting up the cpu+mobo+ram and then the GPU separately with everything else pieced out. Also, selling on more dedicated websites for used PC gear like Tomshardware, OCForums, Anandtech, and HardOCP (the owner of the site is a tool though) are much better when trying to flip when piecing out the parts individually.
Seriously. You have to look for lots to buy cables/monitors/drives etc. in bulk. Also, I've found the most reliable profit is in flipping close-to-obsolete PCs - old dual cores and such that people gave up on, that would be perfectly usable for basic usage if you'd just max out the specs. It's easy to find desktops with Win7 that can be upgraded to 10 for free. Flipping gaming PCs that are already fully assembled is a losing proposition. You're not going to turn a profit adding RGB and faster RAM.
I disagree about the looks. Buying hardware separately, putting together a system with lots of RGB bling and then selling it is where it's at. People who buy used low budget PCs don't understand specs. They want something that looks nice. I used to put up i7 4770 16GB RAM, SSD+HDD with R9 270X and GTX 970 for $200-250. Since they were in office builds, despite the amazing value (I was still making a small profit), people would not buy these or try to lowball me. And then the buyers also often asked if I could make it look better. I had these in massive bulk and it was always the same story.
@@b0ne91 Looks matter, but looks are subjective. Like you, it's cheaper and easier to put together a gaming computer from a cheap office build where you get the system for dirt cheap prices and slap in a cheap graphics card. You make money for looks based upon request like what you said you get. Meaning the person is paying for what they like in looks and will pay a good amount for that. I can disassemble an ugly office build and throw everything into a nicer case and make a lot more money after the person asks for it. Doing it first usually means I don't sell anything for a profit. That's why when I list a whole computer for sale, I also list my services to customize it for an additional cost. Most don't take me up on those services, but some do. When that happens I get a lot more money out of them as I tailor the customization to what they really want. Point being, selling a complete build that has a customized look to it won't sell easily and usually won't sell for a profit when selling used unless you got the system at a pawn shop or auction price. Whatever the "look" may be and however "clean" the look is won't matter to the majority of potential buyers looking for a cheap gaming PC.
What Kyle forgot to mention is eBay also collects a 10-12% cut of the final price, including the shipping costs. So the loss is actually closer to $400, which just sucks for him. Sounds like the buyer is a dick tip as well trying to negotiate after the auction. Eat the loss as a science experiment and move on.
And factoring in the time taken to a) buy the PC, b0 sort it out for resale and the messing about with that, c)packing, d) shipping, e)ebay fees and then time taken again to take it off to be shipped.......
@@LiveType My direct experience, my friend. I paid 10.65% final value fee to eBay on a GTX 1080 SSC I sold 3 months ago. I suspect we live in different countries.
@@joeyd199 it's gone up recently since they removed paypal payments. It used to be ebay 10% and PayPal 2.5% but now it's just ebay and they upped there fees. But did they lower them back done some recently? Whe. I pull up the fees at least in usa most things are 12.9% and books,magazines movies &TV are 14.7%. Maybe your not usa and it's a little lower?
Also, being honest in your listing goes a long way. You posted the original specs and then would tell the buyer the specs had changed. That throws buyers off cause they start thinking “what else is different” or doubt your honesty. Why did you have to replace the MB? They won’t care about your reasoning, because you weren’t upfront on the listing they won’t believe your reasoning when you tell them.
Yeah, I get why he did it for the video but I think it hurt him. Plus, he really didn't change that much so I feel like the difference in specs would have been fine to acknowledge.
@@kokobeatz7222 who cares about RGB? unless your a teenager, I have a gaming machine and am glad it doesn't have RBG as it offers ZERO in terms of value or performance, its just annoying
@@stuparker01915 some people like it. And some people will pay more for it. I understand it does nothing for performance. And I’m sure everyone else also knows this already too. But listing a pc with a board that has rbg only to remove it and not mention it in the ad before hand is kind of scummy in my opinion.
Because Kyle makes too much money from clicks and don't really care. ALWAYS have some RGB as it DOES make a difference despite being useless overall. First impressions count.
why didnt you just put the original mobo back in after you found out that the ssd was messing up? That way you could actually sell it the way it was instead of having to tell a potential buyer after the fact
I think one of my favorite things from this video was seeing how far in advance Kyle is recording these before they go live. December 15 2021 he was ordering the parts?? That's 3 months ago!
1 you should have just waited for the original drive to be wiped 2 you should have put the old motherboard back in after you determined the drive was the issue
Hey Kyle, long time vieweer, first time commenter. I side hustle alot in the used PC flipping marked, and i would say your biggest mistake is not knowing your marked - Your listing was written as it was to a PC enthusiast that knows what kind of PC hardware they should be looking for, but that is not your target audience. You want to sell to a first time buyer (a young kid or parent), someone who does not know what a i7 8700k or a GTX 1080 is - but someone who wants to play Fortnite. So target to them - i'm not saying you should not disclose the hardware you are selling, but tell the potential buyer in "normal human words" what they are buying. - And remember to use words they know like RGB, game titles, Nvidia brand name, but don't dwell on Ram clock speeds and other technical information - They are only to be added as a side note. Something like: Hey there, i'm selling my super nice RGB graming PC rig, because i was lucky enough to get my hands on a sweet new upgraded rig. This is the perfect starter PC for anyone who wants to game Fortnite, Minecraft, League of Legends, Counter Strike. It can pull any game in mid to high detail in full HD, and most esports titles on high and even in better resolution. (So here i told them why i am selling it (it's not because its broke, but i got a new PC upgrade to releave any doubts) and what they can use it for. As a parent their kid is saying "Mom, get me a PC that can play Fortnite with Ninja on", they don't say, get me a 8700k with lots of Ram and GTX grafics card, because 95% of the people looking to a cheap PC don't know what they are, and won't spend the time researching it) That being said after you have told them what i can, it's ok to confuse them a little - tell them about cores, graphics etc - you have already ticked the boxes (Can it do what i need?, is the price right?, and does it look good?) This PC costs 2500 dollars from new when i bought it, it has 6 intel cores wioth 12 threads, Nvidia GTX 1080 a graphics card that still holds up to day. (now you can copy paste your preivous listing showing the specs (this will make sure you appeal to the PC enthusiasts also) - You don't want to aliante them, but they are only 5% of your market. That being said, NEVER spend money on PC parts, it's a black hole, and you will never get that money back. You can clean the PC, take stuff out of it, and make it look nice, but never add anything from new, because it's a sunk cost. What ever you take out you can save, and thats ok to add to another flip later on, because it didn't cost you anything (i have boxes of extra fans, and other stuff that i can use) I make around 5k USD a year as a side hustle / hobby on buying and selling PC's, and i mostly buy from people like you in the video, who does not know how to market the PC, have bad discriptions or in some cases bad pictures. I don't waste my time on anything i can't make a minimum of 300-500USD on - it's not worth spending 5 hours to make a 100 bucks right? Then you might as well go get a real job. You can't force finding a good deal though, you have to keep your eyes open at all times, have cash ready - wait for a bargain to come along, and be ready to strike fast - as in "Hey, can i buy your PC today for X amount (always a little less then they are asking) if i pick it up today and pay cash" EVERY seller values a quick deal and in 9 out of 10 instances give you a discount for a quick deal. And every dollar saved is a dollar earned! Best of luck on your next flip - hope it's not as big of a flop that this was! Kevin (Long time fan of Lyle)
I sell pcs as side hustle as well and I agree with most of what you said except for not buying new components. The trick is being selective with purchases...buy stuff that will make pc instantly attractive such as RGB fans or a nice modern case. My motto is "Buy ugly, sell beautiful". Also, Kyle did not add any keywords to any listing....u gotta take advantage of algorithns. :)
@@b0ne91 Man, Germany is a tough market though. I always ended up making more money just taking them apart and selling the parts than actually flipping them. People don't trust private sellers with whole systems at all here. If you are a business and give a 1 year warranty, okay, maybe then.
The first thing I learned about flipping PCs is turning Trash to Treasure. Taking a dude's already fully assembled PC, making some cosmetic or barely noticeable "upgrades" and trying to turn a profit is just this side of scalping. Hell, even dropping a low-power GPU into a workstation with integrated graphics would've been better than this.
As an avid bargain hunter, I suggest you search for used parts, incomplete builds and mom and pop shops. it's some of the most luck i've had and people are more lenient on letting go of used parts. :) I recently just build a 5600x build for 500 with a 980ti and I couldn't be happier. I think it also helps significantly if you live in a populated area! good luck amigo
Or buy several systems and mix-match parts for price/performance, then benchmark builds and sell with some RGB bling. But his initial deal on the full system wasn't great to begin with.
I buy a lot of stuff used. If it was well taken care of and clean I'm down to save a pretty good chunk of change to sacrifice the unboxing experience. In doing so I've noticed the easiest way to tell if someone cares about their item is if they take the time to take nice pictures. If they just throw up one terribly lit picture I'm going to assume if they put that little effort into the listing that they probably neglected the item. Also, if they say an issue with it in the description then they're an honest person. 2 Pro tips. But with that said I would be a little apprehensive of buying desktops used. Individual components I'm a little more willing, but with desktops you can get someone who doesn't really know what they are doing assembling it and there's so many points that could lead to a potential failure when assembling a PC from the ground up. I've worked in hardware repair before and we are always apprehensive when someone has worked on a device before because that introduces an element of unpredictability into the equation of repairing something. Maybe they put a screw that's too long into the board and caused some long screw damage to the board that's not immediately obvious. Maybe they accidentally touched their screwdriver or tweezers to a capacitor on the the board and shorted something out on accident while working on it. Maybe they didn't put the connector on properly and had to apply too much force. Leading to slightly damaging the fpc connector on the board and resulting in a headache. I feel a similar thing applies to desktop PC's. If you have someone who has never done it before, half assing through a tutorial then weird stuff can happen. This stuff doesn't seem to drop in value too much either. Little Jimmy spent $1,500 on his custom PC 4 years ago and will be asking close to that because he doesn't understand the components depreciate as soon as they're opened and even more so as they get outdated and newer generations of hardware release. When it comes to desktop PC's, I'll stick to new and doing it myself. That way I know the history of the whole setup and that everything will be installed correctly.
If you spent a lousy $15 on a Windows 10 key, that might have made a difference. People may have thought they needed to spend $150 on Windows 10 Pro from Newegg.
Dude when you realised it wasn’t the old motherboard causing the issue… why didn’t you put it back in?! You’d have got WiFi back and you would have been able to plug the RGB back in! I am so confused man lol
@@ocelotxp so what I had a crucial ssd that was brand new that exhibited the exact same issues Kyle's did. That was awful troubleshooting by him and makes me question how much he even knows about computers
He tried to upsell a pc by downgrading the mobo in a serious way and by spending stupid money on visual upgrades. And not only you kept the worst mobo, even after you found out it was the SSD, but you didn't mention it on your posting and you planned to informed the buyer after they expressed interest... You make it hard rooting it for you in this
So he downgraded the MB from a Strix w/ RGB control & Wifi to cheap Prime version without those and upgraded the visuals by making the lights not work.... Next time, look for the ugliest, cheapest and poorly made ads. But with the nicest components =) You make the money by cleaning / reconditioning everything and then building it in a visually appealing case (I try to use all new cases).
It is a learning curve that can really depress a person, Ive learned a few lessons and of all of them, the first and by far the most important is that if you are going to make a profit on a used PC, you have to have had gotten a great deal when you purchased it, such as buying from a garage sale, Goodwill, etc. your not going to make a profit by paying anywhere close to market value, even if someone buys your PC for 500, they probably wouldnt be able to sell ot for that. another is Desktops dont sell as a whole, take it apart and sell it piece by piece. Laptops are a much better choice and there are more deals to be had, most people are more willing to take a desktop apart to troubleshoot than they are a laptop, so they sell them at first sign of malfunction, and many laptops will filter power through battery, so if battery starts failing, it looks like the pc is bad when a simple battery replacement will get laptop running. For some insane reason, Apple devices are almost a sure sell, people are fanatical about Macs. These are just a few lessons learned through trial and error, mostly the path to profitability depends on the deal you get, a good deal and chances are better you'll be profitable. If you know the definition of retail arbitrage without having to "google" it, then you already know.
As someone who's been selling on eBay for over a decade I can tell you that "seller rep" on that site is a joke. I've had great transactions with people with no feedback and shit transactions with people with hundreds of "positive" feedback ratings, it's luck of the draw. I refurb and sell computers for a living, you bought that system at my top, no negotiation, sucker with more money than brains' asking price, and I'd sell it out the door for probably 900 on most days. Go watch some Tech Yes City videos if you want to learn how to flip used hardware like a pro.
One guess on the temp sensor - if you want a 'true' reading of how warm your chassis is getting, you don't want your temperature probe sitting somewhere that will have constant airflow from a chassis fan, or hot discharge from a cpu/gpu fan. Behind the motherboard tray it seems like not a lot of airflow will reach that thermistor, unless the chassis is in such negative pressure that fresh air is sucked in from the small vents. Thus, the thermistor will give a fairly good idea of the amount of heat buildup inside the chassis. If it's exposed to the airflow from a chassis fan, then the readings will fluctuate as the case temperature increases and the fan speeds up, blowing cool air over the sensor, the sensor reads a decrease, the fan slows down but hasn't actually lowered the temperature much, you get where this is going .
Your loss is much higher because of Ebay's fee, which includes taking ~$7 from the $50 you get for shipping it... Only got like $650 after Ebay's & PayPal's fees probably. You need to mention the transaction costs! Their fees have been quite egregious since they changed their pricing model some years back.
Hey! I had a similar situation just recently. I was building and selling PCs right when the pandemic hit and was cleaning up at it. It wasn't until last November that my last build was up for sell for 2 months with nothing but low ball offers. Something has changed and I think your theory on GPU prices finally dropping is that people aren't as interested in older systems anymore. Great vid. Give it another shot! 👍
Glad you realised you missed on the MB flip back ... but I wonder why you didnt bother with the 2nd NH-D15 fan? It really does cool better with both ... not that an 8700 is going to be like a 12th gen hot box, still, its kinda odd you kept it.
As someone who flipping PC, this thing worth like 700 to 800 dollars, you can easily find a 8700k + 1080ti build for like 900-1000 dollars (I actually struggled to sell two build with this spec for 1k) something I find out during flipping pc is, people usually don't care that much about the ram size (16gb is the sweet spot), storage (256gb SSD and some HDD is good enough) ,PSU, and motherboard. What they care the most is the graphic card, then CPU and the style, I guess that's related to the GPU shortage? for styling, some rgb fans are good enough. (at least that is want happened in OfferUp and Marketplace) So maybe you should spending more on the GPU for a build? (A 1080Ti cost like 500-450) Also your OfferUp account is "weak", people do not trust an account with no rating. At the end, it just really hard to sell computer around Los Angeles area for a good price since we have a lot of supplies.
My experience with flipping pcs over the last couple of years has been much the same. If you go and try to add up the average value of the parts on the market then right off the top that's gonna be overly optimistic to think you'll get that much. Definitely CANNOT buy all your parts at msrp and hope you're gonna get a profit out of it. The trick is to get good prices on at least a couple of your parts so your initial cost comes in a decent amount below market value and then sell it for more to make your profit. I've also found that I have the best luck making really budget builds and selling them in the 300-400 range. Above that and you're getting into the range where you might as well buy a series x and a pc just isn't gonna compete on price/performance in that range. Helps to throw in all the extra stuff the buyer would need like keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, cables etc.
I've had trouble selling complete systems but when I broke them down into parts they sold very easy. Maybe there's just a bigger market of people upgrading then people just starting out and needing everything. Or maybe people don't like to gamble a lot on a used computer but don't mind gambling on a small upgrade. Whatever the reason I break down systems into the prices I think people would be willing to risk to save some money. But expensive items with cheaper options are often only worth the cheapest option. People don't care if a case has some great features because they could get a cheap one if they build it themselves. It's rare someone will pay more because they want the slightly better option that you are selling. It may work for some things but it's rare. Knowing this and understanding that people selling stuff almost always ask way too much you really have to lowball people if you're trying to resell stuff. You have to break it down for them, tell them you're reselling it even. If they been trying to sell it for awhile I always mention that it will just keep dropping in value. Selling to me is just like selling in a few months to someone else. For example if someone has a $140 case then I say I can get a cheap brand new case for $70, most I can get for your used case is $50 so I'll give you $40 or you keep the case and I'll buy the rest and buy a $30 used case. I'd say you could of been mining on your rtx 2060 for years so I'm taking a big risk on that. The most I can sell it for guaranteed is $300 so I'll give you $250 even though it would prolly sell for $350 easy. You got 16GB ram I can give you $50 for it. A 1TB harddrive $30 and $30 for PSU. If motherboard and CPU is worth $400 I'd offer $250. So all in all that's $650 and I'd sell it for $800 to $900. Note example based on current prices. Now if it doesn't sell fast at $900 I drop it to $800 within a week. I want a quick flip. If it doesn't sell at $800 then $750. If it still don't sell, now I sell for parts but back to the $900 prices when prices added together. Usually the GPU sells instantly. The motherboard and cpu goes fast. The ram is easy sell. Often left with case, keyboard, mouse and PSU for your next build. If I get a good price on first item sold then I can give in a bit on following pieces to sell them fast. If the first one haggles then I have to be more firm with the rest. I try to look at used things being worth half price. But if I'm reselling it then I almost have to get it for a quarter of the price to get a 100% markup. But a computer is worth enough that even making a 33% markup means a few hundred in my pocket. So if it's a $1200 system new then it probably won't sell for more than $800 very quick. If you try to get $1000 people think $200 more for new! Makes no sense. So I might offer 75% of what it will sell for so $800x.75 = $600 but even at $650 I would make $150 quickly. But I might go $700 if it has extras, headphones maybe and looks amazing with no scratches etc. Anyways, hope that helps, good luck.
Can confirm, bling will sell a PC.i have been flipping PCs for 4 years now, and if you have a fancy case or lots of lighting, you will get your selling price regardless of major specs.
I paused this at... 14:37 to make this comment. I'm brand-new to this channel and can't tell you how refreshing it is to see an "expert" go through the same shite I've gone through once or twice (been building PCs for 25+ years). KUDOS to you. My guess is power -- either the PSU itself, bad connectors/connections, faulty cables, or micro cracks in the mobo circuitry. I had a similar problem once that turned out to be the PSU. You were absolutely hindered by using a burner eBay account. I wouldn't even consider buying something like this from someone with no feedback (I've had my eBay account since 2002 -- mostly buying but also selling, so I know a thing or three about it). And finally, remember that you'll get more action anywhere with a low-priced PC than with a high-end PC. Simply, there are more people with $500 to spend than there are with $5,000 to spend.
I do a lot of this buying and flipping PCs as a side hustle and the problem was with your initial purchase price. $1000 is already pretty high for that rig so it doesn’t leave you any wiggle room for upgrades, haggles or fees when you go and try to sell it. Maybe the market in LA is different than my market in FL, but I just scored a very similar system with a 1080 Ti for $700. Parted and flipped it all for about a $500 profit.
Talking about HDD's... I accidentially bought a 5400 dirve instead of a 7200. Is it's 4TB instead of 2, but is it too slow to run games without stuttering or having trash fps? I have a 960gb NVME, but that I only want to use for my OS and games like Tarkov, RL, WT, WOT and other games where you need fast loading-speed.
You will be fine ! The only difference would be loading times, but the slower speed of the hdd make them nearly silent and won't vibrate as much as a 7200
Having a burner account probably did a good chunk of the harm to the listing as well. Selling stuff can be weird some times. I once tried to sell a switch at cost and could NOT sell it for the life of me despite switchs consistently selling for higher at the time. Sometimes "too good to be true" is an issue with selling
15:08 lots of ppl normally overlook the drive. i had lots of issues when i rebuild my PC from scratch and i was having issues that at first seemed to be CPU related, since i was having weird CPU spikes and core loads. but after mobo and CPU RMA the issues continued then i tried my old drive and issues where gone. then i realized i had a bad SSD and i got a new SSD and everything was fine. so ye. a bad SSD or HDD can cause issues that might cause freezing and massive lag. or worst case, fail to boot
That was my initial gut feeling as soon as I saw that issue. This is why I never by these brands because they only have issues. In fact I have a 1 TB WD Blue SSD that went back after three years and barely had any data on it. I had to RMA it and will probably never by from WD again.
@@AeschylusShepherd the drive i was having issues was PNY's SSD, now i mainly use Kingston but im planing to get Samsungs 500GB M.2 for OS and 1TB M.2 for games. right now i have Kingstons 240GB and 480GB SSDs and Seagates 2TB HDD as my 2nd game storage, my regular dump drive is Seagates SSHD 1TB hybrid. the PNY i use as external SSD since the 240GB Kingston came with adapter to turn 2.5" drive into external USB drive
The best part about this is now you REALLY understand what a lot of people go through just trying to sell some of their stuff, and buyers who watch you or LTT, the buyer thinks they have some sort of "insider knowledge" and can try to lowball you as if you're an "uninformed person". If I tried selling my system (i9 9900k, RTX3070, 32 GB ram) i'd get undercut to SHIT. Thinks get put heavily into perspective after you experience something like this.
I knew it was the SSD before you swaped the motherboard. I had that same issue with that very same SSD. Once I took that drive out and used another SSD, everthing returned to normal. I will never buy an Inland SSD ever again
Hey Kyle, somethings you can do to help sell your next flip, add a web viewable benchmark like Nero score, Port Royal or cpuuserbenchmark as proof the machine works and a benefit, shows the seller what other comparable hardware is doing. I don't really do the "used flip" market but do custom builds for people but still follow the same rules as common flips go. Buy good inventory cheap, don't lie to the buyer what they're getting and never sell it below break-even. Sometimes with a build I sell, I'll substitute a affordable component for the buyer if they want to negotiate the price to make a sell happen. I.E. instead of that ASUS Strix, I'd use a ASRock Pro or Steel Legend if I have it inventoried. Any stock that I have laying around, I'll keep it for upgrades for someone else. Hard to go on aesthetics alone but clean cable management adds bonus points and RGB is a good advertisement.
A tip for flipping Buy whole 2nd hand PCs then Find better components also 2nd hand and upgrade the system For really cheap and resale The Pc with upgraded parts
I'm by no means any kind of pro or expert in the area of PC flipping, but I dabble a bit. In the last 2 years I've built and sold 16 gaming PCs ranging from $700-$1500. I've made each and every sale through Facebook Marketplace and made a profit, in cash, on ALL of them. I actually think that it was good idea to put a few bucks into the aesthetics of the rig. That sort of thing really does make a difference. I saw your comment about realizing that you should've put the OG motherboard back in once you saw there was nothing wrong with it. That was definitely the thing to do. For me, I've always prioritized good price to performance, very detailed listing with lots of good pictures, open lines of communication, in-person meetups to demo that everything works well and point out any inner stuff like where the drives are located etc. and cash is ALWAYS king. I never ask for more than I would think is a good price if I were the buyer. I've found that it's a lot better to make good connections and make many smaller profits than to try and hit only home runs with every sale. Plus, word of mouth is the best advertising in the world, and it's free.
The things I have learned about flipping anything PC related is to gauge the current market and finding price trends for individual computer parts. I know it is probably common advice for reselling an item but pricing individual components helps me to sell PC parts, especially when I want to sell a whole PC with a combination of new/used parts. The one thing I would never do when selling individual PC parts or a whole PC is to sell defective/used storage. I would definitely buy an NMMe SSD for a whole PC whenever possible, even if I have to sell the whole system with a slight deficit. The other thing I sometimes is to sell either a CPU or RAM at a loss, especially if either one of the two components have significantly lost their vary. I hope that anyone who reads my comment somewhat helpful and I hope that everyone has a fantastic day.
I knew the second he said the SSD was there on second and the next boot it wasn't that it was the SSD. I had the same issue with a Crucial SSD long ago. I only purchase Samsung SSD's now (14 purchased so far) and not once that that happened to me again. Every time i look at these builds with people using garbage no name brand SSD's I cringe...
Maybe I'm different then other people, but cosmetics comes in third place behind performance and cost. If it were me, I'd of sold off the air cooler, and put an arctic liquid freezer II in the build. It's relatively cheap, and would increase the value more to me then sleeved cables and fan colors.
Don't forget that Ebay takes their cut as well. 12.65% fee on electronics. $1100-(810-102(ebay fees)) = $392 loss without shipping. Factor in shipping and its a greater loss.
you bought something that didn't need flipped, threw on some bells in whistles in a time where getting a budget PC is impossible, and expected more than it was worth. of course it didn't sell! its MUCH better buying something a little more gunky/older/in need of some TLC for MUCH less. and than flip it.
Yep, that's my experience as well. If it's not new parts, people will pay prices I'm used to. I would have listed this for $700 with zero modifications other than a good cleaning, aka I would have never bought it in the first place. Unless someone agreed to sell me this thing for $600, I wouldn't have even considered buying it. Would have messaged asking that price and parting out. You may say, "that's less than retail for parts". My answer is: I sent out ~10 offers for broken electronics yesterday. Literal broken/not working electronics. Not one agreed to the price I wanted to pay. Some weren't even 20% lower than asking. They weren't even ridiculous low ball offers. They assumed someone would pay more for those parts due to the massive money supply inflation/printing and general bubble behavior that occurred last year. They assumed wrong. Some of those listings have been up for over 2 years and are real listings not sold listings that need to be removed. Price is not determined by what you want to sell it for. It's determined by what people are willing to pay. If I'm your buyer, you're about to get some serious low ball offers. I wish you the best in finding someone willing to pay more. This industry is stupendously hard to make money in. Also don't forget the flat ~14% ebay cut (Holy shit that's getting high. The 30% tech platform meme is close). $810*.86 = $697 - (~$30 for shipping) = $667. If you sold it, that's about what you would get after sale +/- about 3%. You netted a solid 667-1100 = -$433. Sounds about right. At least you can write that off on your taxes. Overall, I would say this is a good intro lesson, if a little expensive. The recent price inflation was literally all ETH miners. A good 90% of the 2nd hand pricing were miners. People are underestimating the impact of mining/amount of gpus bought strictly for mining. Can't wait for the sell off. It's going to be huge. My advice if you actually want to flip these things in your spare time, is that you need to be able to be notified of listings immediately. And I mean immediately. If you're not in your car/bike/rickshaw/running shoes ready to go pick up 5 mins after listing, welp you better because that's your competition. Again, it's hard to make money in this field, but the money is there if you're willing to break your back and learn. I challenge you to do this again but come out positive. It'll take more effort than you may expect.
Don't focus on crap that makes it pretty, i.e. cable sleeves, focus on items that make it fast. A user buying a used craigslist build is not looking for a kick ass theme build... They just want something to game on. Edit: glad to see you realized this at the end
@@mrducky179 i actually flipped pcs for a few months and looks definitely do play a large part, at least in my market. any time i had a function but meh looking PC id get lowballs or no offers, once i started making them look nice i would still get lowballs, but a lot more offers and often sold quicker. Most people buying used PCs don't know much about PCs, they are just looking for something that can game. to them, prettier means faster so they pay more for prettier
@@bendan2505 for me with this, it was a nice looking PC to begin with. The bling he added was just money down the drain IMO. I agree, make it look pretty, but little things like that that added 100+ to an already overpriced PC was not a good idea, lol. He should have talked the seller down more on the original purchase, needs to become a schrewd negotiator.
Only 33 seconds in but I can tell you that GPU will run hot AF. I had to get the NZKT mod bracket to put an aio on mine because no matter what I did (new thermal paste, higher fan speed, etc) I was hitting thermal throttle limits on mine.
I built PCs and sold them on Craigslist for a while in 2018. R5 1600 / RX580 8GB/ 16GB8x2-3200 / 512GB NVMe rigs for $750. They sold pretty really well, volume was 3-4 a week. Far better deal than any OEM was offering on a comparable system. I would totally still be selling PCs if not for the GPU scarcity. Profit margin wasn't super great, but I just wanted to grow and sell more. Never evolved into an actual company.
I'm kinda disappointed in you Kyle. I was screaming at my screen that it was the ssd so much. Then you never put the old motherboard back in since you discovered it wasn't a motherboard problem. You took away both wifi and RGB.
Great video! I think the biggest mistake was spending $1200 (or whatever the exact number was) on a PC on Craigslist. I know it was "worth that much" but to make money, you've got to find the diamond in the rough. You've got to monitor listings until that really great PC goes up for like $500 because they just don't want it anymore. It may be different in CA, but here I see anything over about $600 just sitting there for months. If you can find a decent PC in a crappy case and slap it into a gaming case, that may work out better. Anyway, good luck!
I’d encourage you to ask yourself (if ever you do find a pc u wanna flip), would you be willing to pay that price for that rig (for unknown used parts) and would you be able to build a brand new rig that’ll run the same or better for the same price? For me, as an experienced builder, I would rather pay slightly more for a brand new rig I can build myself rather than fork over that much money on a used custom pc that offers no warranties. I speak from experience as I’ve purchased a handful of used gpus that have taken a dump on me shortly after minimal use from the used market. I’ve learned to save myself the hassle and stick to new parts as I at least have that warranty to fall back on. I think at this point, in order to maximize ur return on this flip pc, you can always consider parting it out and then replacing/rebuilding it with lower tier parts and asking less. That way you should come close to breaking even.
Inland SSDs are always hard to get working so you have to put it into a pc with windows and use partition manager to create a single partition of the entire drive because windows installer can't do it unless you do this. It's weird but you have to put it in a pc and use partition manager.
the most important part about flipping PCs is not overpaying on the purchase, which you did. you have to look at the used market to get a feel for what people are ACTUALLY willing to pay for systems, and then only buy below that. here is a hint, listings you don't see having been sold within 1-2 days are asking too much, i usually need 1 - 16 hours, at most a day to find a buyer, listings you see for a couple of days are staying there because they ask too much.
I had a similar issue trying to sell my rig. 3700x / 2080ti - well built and very clean. I could not move it. I got messages but no bites. I decided to keep it in the end, but I had to ship it across the country which I will never do again without spending hundreds on shipping cost and materials to ensure UPS doesn't annihilate the box.
My thoughts? I wouldn't go below a 9700k, and absolutely nothing below a 1080ti. With GPUs coming down so much lately, people aren't as desperate anymore. Also Zotac is a less known brand in the US, they make great stuff but it didn't snag the attention like a ROG or Gigabyte or other more popular brand might have gotten. The yellow logo in a black and white system didn't help. It almost looked Fisher Price, maybe swapping to a red/yellow color or something? One other thought, I have had issues with certain brands of SSD as well, especially in fussy ASUS boards which seem to just be snobbish "You want me to write data on a WHAT? Sir, I do not slum it with B list brands, Inland? Who even is that? How much dust did you have to clear off that package to see the price sticker? More to the point, how many red stickers were there, probably in descending order?""
A couple of cents here after flipping about 20 pc's. White is much harder to sell, stay with black. Always better with mesh or glass in front, with some highly visible RGB (RGB is a must). Everything must be connected and working, or removed if not. Buying a complete PC is hard to flip for a profit, go for something with missing parts or just all individual parts (mobo, cpu, ram bundles are timesaving though). The point is that the job of turning discarded parts into a fully functional system creates value and in there lies your profit.
So.. I built a system about a year and a half ago and I have dealt with this EXACT same problem whenever I boot. I was terrified when you swapped the board, the last thing I wanted to do was have to buy a new mobo. I also tried a separate SSD, and got the same issue, so I figured that wasn't the problem. To hear you had to try two drives to fix the problem leads me to consider buying a brand new SSD or NVMe and trying again.
You might want to try a lower price range for your initial investment, maybe set a cap of $600-$800 for that, it'll probably open it up to a wider audience, especially during these dark times. Also try and buy a bundle of parts instead, crypto miners will usually sell combos like CPU + RAM + MOBO + SSD (Maybe just flat out the whole pc without a GPU) or something like that, that you may want to keep an eye out for. Then slap a something like 1070 or a 1660 super in it, which you might be able to get those for $300 on ebay or local if you're lucky. Although I haven't actually done this, it has entered my mind to give it a shot and these were the ideas I had. I think I may go ahead and do a project like this, thanks for the inspiration!
Loved the video. However, I have a lot of things to say about it. I've been flipping PCs for the past 4-5 months. I am currently on my 16th flip and I have never lost money on a single build. On average I have made $150 profit on each build. Now I will say, I am targetting a much lower-end market by buying those $200-300 builds and putting them in a nicer (modern case) with a little RBG. All of the builds have had an SSD Boot Drive with 1TB Storage Drive as well as having a fully activated and updated Win 10/10 Pro. My largest point would be the platform on which you used to sell the PC. Maybe it's just me, but in my area Craigslist is dead. Facebook marketplace has been extremely good to me in making sure I don't hold a PC for more than one week! All in all, I think if you came down to a lower end market on a different platform you would be set.
I recently built a new custom Corsair based PC with the only "used" part being the MSI RTX 2080 GPU that I used to configure my other (bigger) PC that I scored an EVGA RTX 2080 K|NGP|N card for. Anyways, I suffered from the same situation that Kyle did with Craigslist and FB Marketplace buyers trying to lowball me, and I was just trying to sell it "at cost". I ended up trading it to a friend of mine that is going to do some electrical wiring in my house so I could just move it along to a new owner. If I ever do this again I'll see about trying to sell it through one of the small PC stores in the area on consignment. I enjoy building PCs for a hobby, but not at a loss because I don't have a client base or seller ratings.
I think the price was way too high for the specs. It looked absolutely fantastic but I just spent $1,100 for a brand new PC (tax and shipping included) from Newegg new components and built it myself. Mine is a be Quiet 500DX case, AMD 5600X, 16GB of 3600 DDR4, MSI nVidia 3050, 600W PSU 80+ Gold, B550 motherboard, and 500GB NVME SSD. I think when GPU prices drop a bit more I can meet that budget with what I had to add to it after the fact. I replaced the stock Wraith cooler with a Vetroo V5 and added an intel WiFi NVME kit. Now, I didn't know but for a bit more I could have bought a Phantom Gaming 4 version which includes WiFi, oh well. I also cheated a bit, I admit, as my own PC (the one I built was for my son) has a 240mm AIO but I upgraded the fans with ARGB as the stock ones were RGB. I used up those two leftover fans to do a full two fan setup on the Vetroo cooler which greatly enhanced its performance and looks. It also created an awesome airflow from the front fans through the case and out the back exhaust. But I still believe if the 3050 goes down to launch retail price it is possible to add all this to the budget. Which makes your PC with older generation CPU and GPU less competitive. You should try flipping a build not a purchased PC.
Suggestion: try updating the ROG STRIX Z370-E GAMING BIOS 3005 bios, as well as replacing the CMOS battery. Those 2032 bios batteries can sometimes deceptively indicate having 3.0 volts when testing with a volt meter, yet still fail to provide sufficient amperage to function normally. At least, that's what happened with a 2032 battery inside of a garage door opener. A volt meter indicated it could supply 3.0 volts, but was still unable to provide enough oomph to enable the radio signal to operate the garage door opener. Replaced with a fresh battery, and operation back to normal.
When you flip a PC you only buy if you know you are getting it at a low price. Look at what the marketplaces are asking for similar PCs and make sure you can post yours just below the lowest price. Finding decent PCs to flip is tough, usually need to find that needle in the haystack to be able to flip and make profit. Also, I know $100 is $100 but that less than 10% of what you spent, if you are flipping you should look to be able to make more. I usually try to make 30% back when I flip or else the risk/reward isn’t really there. Also, unless the PC is busted, never buy new parts for it. Don’t invest more money than you need to on something you are flipping. Yet again that’s just risk/reward. If people want your pc it’ll be more for the specs rather than the fans or the cables as long as everything is clean.
Asus has a problem with the PCI-E section with Auto and the different versions. My fix was to "hard set" the version to PCI-E V3.0 per my RX 5700XT limitation. Ran like a dream. This also applies to the M.2 SSD. HARD SET them everytime!
I used to sell buy and sell PC's for a few months when I got laid off at my job, what I really noticed is a big selling point is RGB, of course you won't get hardcore enthusiasts wanting to buy it more but people who are younger and just regular people who are getting it for their first PC. RGB is a huge selling point, I had a Ryzen 2600 and 1060 build I could not sell even after a month of posting and reposting it every 2 days, I bought a cheap RGB kit on Amazon for like $15 or 16, I sold the PC that same weekend I even listed it higher lol, it got a lot more views and attention just by having flashy lights. We mock flashy rainbow vomit RGB, but it does sell PC's a lot faster!
This is a great example of why straight flipping an already built PC is nearly always a losing effort. Even when piecing together systems using "bargain" parts that you collect, there's a constant array of things to worry about - hardware failures, incompatibility, getting scammed on parts, getting scammed by the end buyer, etc, etc. Plus you didn't account for your spent hours when adding up your losses. Your time is worth something. Even with a successful build using good value parts, you still have to worry about the end user creating issues that weren't there initially and blaming you for them afterwards. Way too much stress to make this a profitable or worthwhile side-hustle. Did it for a while during the pandemic, made some money, hated it all the way.
meanwhile me selling Ryzen 5600X + 3060 16/32gb ram 500Gb nvme for 1200$-1300$ and people still complain is too expensive. Usually a pc like that I would only pay around 600-700$ and resell it for 850 or so. Been selling computers as a hobby for 2 years now
I bought a brand new 2tb 980Pro NVME from Newegg about 3-4 months ago to replace my ageing 1tb OS drive and I plugged it into my motherboard and it instantly ruined my motherboard. I confirmed it was the drives fault by putting it into a sacrificial ASRock board and it killed it promptly too. it wouldn't get past bios even after putting a known good one back in. Sad part is neither Samsung nor Newegg will take any responsibility for selling me the faulty drive and after going back and forth with both pointing their finger at the other I gave up and chose to eat the 1300$ motherboard cost. I'm not blaming one of then specific if anything I think its Samsung's fault for giving Newegg the defective drive in the first place. But its sad that big companies put their mistakes onto the consumers. I even asked if I could get a 10% off to a new one from them and I was meet with "why its not our fault" or something close to that. So amazon won in the end getting my money for the new LGA1700 water cooled ASUS board.
The last time I sold my PC, I parted it out. Selling a complete build was difficult since no one bit. I took out the graphics card and RAM which sold quickly. I then sold the CPU (9900K) separately. Finally, I sold the MOBO, case and CPU cooler as one item. All told, I got more money than I originally asked for the PC selling it in pieces.
The used value's are falling fast as it seems we might be partially pulling out of the gpu shortage. I thought I was gonna be able to get a few hundred for a gtx 670 build I had. No offers as of a couple weeks ago. 1650 Supers are obtainable again for under $300 ish. I still want a 3060ti for 399.99 tho because i'll be staying in 1080p land for a while longer, and I dont think that'll happen anytime soon.
The used market can be weird, I had a hell of a time selling a really good X 570 MB that was literally brand new and never used as I bought it then discovered my board was not the issue I was having. I tried to sell it and thought half price was very fair... but then I had trouble with people thinking it was a scam as it was too good to be true lol. I got sick of the stupid questions and started just ignoring people and what was a bargain took so long to sell. I got a seller after many weeks and he was very happy but boy was it a hassle
Build your rating on eBay by buying and selling a bunch of little things (fans, cases, drives, etc). For me, when I'm deciding to pull the trigger on an eBay auction, it's the number of reviews that's important, because that indicates to me the ability of the seller to satisfy. Also, it tells me that the seller is "in the game", meaning he isn't just popping on eBay to sell one thing he came across by chance.
I just bought a used 1650 on CL that once I got it home and tested it was artifacting. It's supposed to go in a budget build of a bunch of used parts I had laying around. I texted the dude and he was cool about it and admitted he never tested or used the card since he had gotten it in a trade. Was the first bad GPU I bought. He offered me my money back, but luckily it's still under warranty so I'll call MSI on Monday and see if I can RMA it. If not I'll take him up on just getting my money back.
Don't forget about the 12+% that ebay is going to take. Also, remember, buyers have to pay sales tax on ebay for most (if not all) states now so this may have played a part in what it sold for. My state is 7% sales tax, if I purchased it I would have paid $863 including your $50 shipping. In the current state of the PC world, not a bad deal for the buyer. For the seller (you).... after you pay ebay fees and pay for shipping (assuming it is $50 to ship) I would estimate that you will be left with somewhere around the neighborhood of $650ish in your pocket. Yes, ebay gets a lot of eyes on your product, and can sometime get you top dollar, you lose some of that with the higher fees they charge.
personally, i would've tried to flip the 8700k and mobo first, then used that money to buy something new, if it was me looking at the ad I think the biggest problem I would have is the upgradeability of the pc
I had a good feeling the M.2 was the issue all along. I saw brand and was like ICK. Though the white board looks so much better in that build. I've been dreaming myself a build in a similar color scheme. Back to the original board issues, I work for a school system, and our high school's graphics lab has Asus boards that like to lock up on the BIOS splash screen, and my favorite was randomly trying to boot to the wrong drive. The build had a full size machinal drive and a SATA 2.5 inch SSD. Computers would like to randomly swap the drive order deep in the BIOS. I know it wasn't the students because the BIOS was password locked. You have a nice build, but it's a shame it's a difficult flip. Not a great market to make larger margins.
just got a new build pc on facebook market place for $1120.00 , ryzen 9 3900x , 32 gigs corsair ram , dvd rw , 1TB samsung nvme , Asus X570 plus motherboard , MSI RTX 3050 graphic card , Corsair 750 RM psu , Fractal case , not looking to resell but very pleased with what I got
Bitwit, I had the exact problem with my Asus Mobo as you did. It required a BIOS update and then all my drives were recognized. It is very odd as you can see, and there is not very much solid information on how to fix it. The only way that I found out was just finding my Mobo on Asus's site and then downloading the file to USB and plugging it into the computer, going to Asus's update settings in the BIOS and then updating it. Finally everything worked.
I just recently had that problem with things getting stuck while loading, also with shutting down for me. I also thought I was having a motherboard problem and was about ready to buy a new one. But then I discovered that a hard drive was failing. I removed that hard drive, and everything works just fine now. Since this wasn't the system drive that failed, I'm confused about the whole situation. Well I finished the video, and I see that you discovered the drive problem. Yours was a system drive SSD, while mine was an app drive HDD.
Oh boy. There's already been an update (*spoiler* to the end of the video):
The winning eBay bidder may have flaked out. *After* the auction ended, he asked to "negotiate," demanding a lower price than his winning bid. After I declined, he said that he is "still trying to decide" if he'll be going through with the purchase. I won't hold my breath 😑. I guess the PC is still on the table, but it will be tricky to flip now that the video is public, as it increases the risk of fraudulent buyers. Conversely, buyers aware that this is a "UA-camr PC" may pay more for it (oddly), compromising the integrity of this whole flipping experiment. Not sure if there's any potential content here for a follow-up video, but any suggestions are welcome!
Side note: Oof yeah, I should have swapped back the original motherboard once I got the SSD working. I'm not sure how much it matters now, but that was a complete brain fart on my end. Certainly not the last!
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Take that "UA-camr PC" money and break even 😂
I ran into a similar issue on my Asus x570 crosshair hero mobo. Intermittent Nvme ssd cut out. Notice a few of my game icons were blanks one day when I booted her up. Turns out to be a shitty mount. The previous owner hadnt installed a screw to hold it down, just used the heatsink and Its screw, probably figured the thermal pad would hold it... well eventually it vibrated it way loose. Sounds like you may have ran into the same thing.
Test the "faulty" Inland on another rig and see. Seems like it may be a buggy/shitty mount if Another "known good" ssd flaked causing you to think it was the mobo in the first place.
Bring back the random quiz show (where people find you) and give it away? Also maybe part it? A 1080 in my area goes for 4-5 bucks..
Hey man if your willing to work with me to trade in some of my PC parts I'm literally begging to buy the GPU out or something idk or I can give you advice for selling this lol. Let me know.
you look excited as in this video (Great to see brother, well at least the first half LOL). The scene is HEAPS of fun. Though with flips it always comes down to the three main components, bling, CPU and GPU, always maximize value for the highest of all three. the motherboard and extra costs threw that build out easily. As for those problems, two different mobos and two different ssds with problems, most likely would point towards a semi faulty power supply.
The Yes Man is here
What's crack-a-lakin, what's pop'a'lopin, it's the Bry YES man!
hhhhh i was going to say this has nothing top do to tech yes city but you're already here
Bry is the king of flipping these types of PCs down under!
Im glad to see you here Brian. Kyle should take a look at your vids, you rarely do a straight up flip. You pull items out and swap for more price performance to help drive the profit margin then use the other parts for a different build. You guys should do an over seas flip challenge. $600 budget to make a pc and sell it for the most profit.
When I heard the $1000 price tag I already knew he was doomed. You can build a similar spec with a i5 10400f and RTX 3060 brand new for that price. Who would buy a 5 year old spec with no warranty and old features when compared to a brand new spec, with warranty and the latest features.
especially with a 1080. 1080ti would've been better (for Dec. 2021 prices ) but nowadays, no way lol. Had trouble selling a 12400 and 3060ti system for $1,300
He's way out of touch.All he did was make cosmetic upgrades.Most buyers dont give a crap about that.They just want good specs and will make cosmetic changes on there own.
true i have really similar specs in my current pc and i am curently purchasing a 3080 and i have been loking to sell my strix 1080 but the selling prices just aren't to promising so i will probably just keep it for my knock off mini itx series x
@@BrooklynBalla pretty much, just look at the cpu + gpu price combo with a bit added for everything else.
Exactly, it is all about the hardware value, not cosmetics. They do help but people are looking for newish hardware at least.
Once the SSD was determined to be the issue and the board was good, I would've put it back in the build. The RGB was a nice touch and definitely something to catch the eye. While the all white build was clean and sleek, that is much more niche of a style than your standard RGB out the wazoo build. And the loss of onboard wifi too. But hey, live and learn, thanks for recording your experience of flipping a PC!
Also, why not check the SSD first when troubleshooting? That seemed most likely to be the problem and would have been an easier first step than disassembly of the entire computer to swap the motherboard. The motherboard should have been the final step when all other possible problems were eliminated.
@NoobSniper I completely agree. Not having WiFi and the loss of that rgb inside are two very good reasons to put the motherboard back. I don't know why Kyle didn't think of this.
@Kyle Wagner He swapped the ssd first with a different ssd and even that was giving the same problem. He tells that in the video. Did you miss that?
But it is weird that even the second ssd was giving the same issue while the third one is giving no problems.
Forsure, but he has a ton of parts laying around and swapping out the board is a good amount of work. So I don't blame him at all for just being done with it lol.
This lost me as well once we lost the motherboard, Wi-Fi, and strip. Also a $100 gain would not nearly make up for the man hours spent on the troubleshooting and switches. The video views more than make up for it, however, a viewer trying to do this would not have that advantage.
Nice video Kyle! But oof... That's a tough loss. I have to imagine price trends for GPUs in particular hurt your potential profits between December and March. Great lesson for any entrepreneurial PC builders who have considered attempting this as a business though 👍
@Regome used??
Would be fun to see you and Kyle compete in something like this 😁
Paid too much for an older system
Trying to flip a build that was already done is difficult as there isn't much headroom. Usually from PC's i've flipped i had better luck with buying used parts and building a PC to sell. Gives me more headroom on the price.
expected really more of him
- bios issue was never a topic for the nvme problem. revision on that z370-e was from 2017. 24!! newer revisions since that.
- the "z370-e" was still in the craig's list specs, not the "new" prime z370-a
Flipping for 2 years. In my experience buyers who usually buy custom builds off craigslist and OfferUp buy because of the lower price. When you get to a certain point, buyers just wont appreciate the extra cosmetic stuff. Also, eBay auctions are usually lower than "Buy it now" pricing. Starting buyitnow price should have been set at $999 + shipping with offers enabled. Once you encounter an acceptable offer... accept. Lastly, activating Windows 10 Pro goes a longggg way. Instead of heatsinc covers and custom sleeves.... YOU SHOULD HAVE ACTIVATED WINDOWS FOR LOCAL BUYERS! lol Flipping from the standpoint of an average seller on local markets is incredibly competitive. Nice to see videos like this showing the reality and risks. Love your channel!
big agree, flipped for about 6 months and for me i found over 1k was hard to find serious buyers local to me, windows activation is also huge and super cheap, very worth it.
I was looking at starting flipping, got any tips
@@p3licansrc00l2 make sure the build looks fancy even if the components aren't
I wanna get into building pcs and selling them any tips for a newbie? Like where to start or build to Order or build beforehand?
Also don’t forget Not all Areas Of the US are prone to buying Used PCs So in sum areas are better for the Pc flipping scene
I've been selling computers and computer parts for decades. Kyle, you have a lot to learn. Be careful buying any part from CL as it is more than likely not working. Always have it turned on first and stress tested before buying. Never buy it just upon visual inspection without trying it out. You'll get screwed over almost every time. There are a ton of scammers out there. The mindset is treat EVERYONE as a scammer when buying or selling anything used. You got lucky to not be scammed.
Also, "flipping" parts isn't that easy unless you are paying pawn shop prices. What you bought was about what I could call normal street actual buy price. Meaning at what you paid for $1000, you weren't ever going to get anything more than that. If you were actually wanting to flip it, you should have paid no more than $600 for that to sell for $1000. Most people also aren't looking on CL to buy $1000+ used PCs typically. Last year due to the nature of the world and computer market was about the only time I have ever seen in 3 decades of doing this (sometimes as my full time job) that I saw a huge demand for any sort of gaming PC regardless of the price and where it was being sold.
Lastly, as mentioned earlier, most people don't give two craps about looks when buying a PC when factoring in cost 99% of the time if they are not building it themselves. You probably would have made more money splitting up the cpu+mobo+ram and then the GPU separately with everything else pieced out. Also, selling on more dedicated websites for used PC gear like Tomshardware, OCForums, Anandtech, and HardOCP (the owner of the site is a tool though) are much better when trying to flip when piecing out the parts individually.
Seriously. You have to look for lots to buy cables/monitors/drives etc. in bulk. Also, I've found the most reliable profit is in flipping close-to-obsolete PCs - old dual cores and such that people gave up on, that would be perfectly usable for basic usage if you'd just max out the specs. It's easy to find desktops with Win7 that can be upgraded to 10 for free.
Flipping gaming PCs that are already fully assembled is a losing proposition. You're not going to turn a profit adding RGB and faster RAM.
I disagree about the looks. Buying hardware separately, putting together a system with lots of RGB bling and then selling it is where it's at. People who buy used low budget PCs don't understand specs. They want something that looks nice. I used to put up i7 4770 16GB RAM, SSD+HDD with R9 270X and GTX 970 for $200-250. Since they were in office builds, despite the amazing value (I was still making a small profit), people would not buy these or try to lowball me. And then the buyers also often asked if I could make it look better. I had these in massive bulk and it was always the same story.
@@b0ne91 Looks matter, but looks are subjective. Like you, it's cheaper and easier to put together a gaming computer from a cheap office build where you get the system for dirt cheap prices and slap in a cheap graphics card. You make money for looks based upon request like what you said you get. Meaning the person is paying for what they like in looks and will pay a good amount for that. I can disassemble an ugly office build and throw everything into a nicer case and make a lot more money after the person asks for it. Doing it first usually means I don't sell anything for a profit. That's why when I list a whole computer for sale, I also list my services to customize it for an additional cost. Most don't take me up on those services, but some do. When that happens I get a lot more money out of them as I tailor the customization to what they really want.
Point being, selling a complete build that has a customized look to it won't sell easily and usually won't sell for a profit when selling used unless you got the system at a pawn shop or auction price. Whatever the "look" may be and however "clean" the look is won't matter to the majority of potential buyers looking for a cheap gaming PC.
@@b0ne91 So true. Many folks just care about the looks. Crazy.
What Kyle forgot to mention is eBay also collects a 10-12% cut of the final price, including the shipping costs. So the loss is actually closer to $400, which just sucks for him. Sounds like the buyer is a dick tip as well trying to negotiate after the auction. Eat the loss as a science experiment and move on.
And factoring in the time taken to a) buy the PC, b0 sort it out for resale and the messing about with that, c)packing, d) shipping, e)ebay fees and then time taken again to take it off to be shipped.......
If only there is a website with a smaller cutt
~14% average mate. 14% total... I'm not sure where you're getting 10% because that would be nice.
@@LiveType My direct experience, my friend. I paid 10.65% final value fee to eBay on a GTX 1080 SSC I sold 3 months ago. I suspect we live in different countries.
@@joeyd199 it's gone up recently since they removed paypal payments. It used to be ebay 10% and PayPal 2.5% but now it's just ebay and they upped there fees. But did they lower them back done some recently? Whe. I pull up the fees at least in usa most things are 12.9% and books,magazines movies &TV are 14.7%. Maybe your not usa and it's a little lower?
Also, being honest in your listing goes a long way. You posted the original specs and then would tell the buyer the specs had changed. That throws buyers off cause they start thinking “what else is different” or doubt your honesty. Why did you have to replace the MB? They won’t care about your reasoning, because you weren’t upfront on the listing they won’t believe your reasoning when you tell them.
Yeah, I get why he did it for the video but I think it hurt him. Plus, he really didn't change that much so I feel like the difference in specs would have been fine to acknowledge.
@@D33r_Hunt3r_ motherboard is a big change especially when all the rgb can’t be used now. And we all know rbg sells.
Yeah, I wonder why he didn't put back the old motherboard if the ssd alone was the issue
@@kokobeatz7222 who cares about RGB? unless your a teenager, I have a gaming machine and am glad it doesn't have RBG as it offers ZERO in terms of value or performance, its just annoying
@@stuparker01915 some people like it. And some people will pay more for it. I understand it does nothing for performance. And I’m sure everyone else also knows this already too. But listing a pc with a board that has rbg only to remove it and not mention it in the ad before hand is kind of scummy in my opinion.
If you figured out it was the SSD that caused the issue, why not put the original MOBO back in and that would give you the RGB back?
My exact thoughts as well
its called not really needing the money and just being too lazy to do it right lol
And also Wi-Fi
Because Kyle makes too much money from clicks and don't really care. ALWAYS have some RGB as it DOES make a difference despite being useless overall. First impressions count.
Yeah.. Just seems lazy.
why didnt you just put the original mobo back in after you found out that the ssd was messing up? That way you could actually sell it the way it was instead of having to tell a potential buyer after the fact
This is what I was wondering too!
experience bro :D
yeah, and they dont get a case with rgb in it that they can never use, and they get wifi. The io on the back of that other board looked terrible.
Laziness?
actually if you read the pinned comment by bitwit he is like yeah big oof on my part i should have switched back. so he owns his mistake
I think one of my favorite things from this video was seeing how far in advance Kyle is recording these before they go live. December 15 2021 he was ordering the parts?? That's 3 months ago!
It felt like a long time ago haha for only being 3 months ago
He isn’t creating these that far in advance. It took 2 months to sell the PC. EBay sale was early March 2022
1 you should have just waited for the original drive to be wiped
2 you should have put the old motherboard back in after you determined the drive was the issue
Putting the old motherboard back in represents a lot of time, to reclaim an asus motherboard that was sitting on with his extra parts for years.
he would have to either swap back in the old motherboard or sell it separately because the new motherboard still represents an additional cost
This is the earliest i’ve ever been on a bitwit vid, love the vids! they help so much!
same bro
Hey Kyle, long time vieweer, first time commenter.
I side hustle alot in the used PC flipping marked, and i would say your biggest mistake is not knowing your marked - Your listing was written as it was to a PC enthusiast that knows what kind of PC hardware they should be looking for, but that is not your target audience.
You want to sell to a first time buyer (a young kid or parent), someone who does not know what a i7 8700k or a GTX 1080 is - but someone who wants to play Fortnite.
So target to them - i'm not saying you should not disclose the hardware you are selling, but tell the potential buyer in "normal human words" what they are buying. - And remember to use words they know like RGB, game titles, Nvidia brand name, but don't dwell on Ram clock speeds and other technical information - They are only to be added as a side note.
Something like:
Hey there, i'm selling my super nice RGB graming PC rig, because i was lucky enough to get my hands on a sweet new upgraded rig. This is the perfect starter PC for anyone who wants to game Fortnite, Minecraft, League of Legends, Counter Strike. It can pull any game in mid to high detail in full HD, and most esports titles on high and even in better resolution.
(So here i told them why i am selling it (it's not because its broke, but i got a new PC upgrade to releave any doubts) and what they can use it for.
As a parent their kid is saying "Mom, get me a PC that can play Fortnite with Ninja on", they don't say, get me a 8700k with lots of Ram and GTX grafics card, because 95% of the people looking to a cheap PC don't know what they are, and won't spend the time researching it)
That being said after you have told them what i can, it's ok to confuse them a little - tell them about cores, graphics etc - you have already ticked the boxes (Can it do what i need?, is the price right?, and does it look good?)
This PC costs 2500 dollars from new when i bought it, it has 6 intel cores wioth 12 threads, Nvidia GTX 1080 a graphics card that still holds up to day.
(now you can copy paste your preivous listing showing the specs (this will make sure you appeal to the PC enthusiasts also) - You don't want to aliante them, but they are only 5% of your market.
That being said, NEVER spend money on PC parts, it's a black hole, and you will never get that money back. You can clean the PC, take stuff out of it, and make it look nice, but never add anything from new, because it's a sunk cost. What ever you take out you can save, and thats ok to add to another flip later on, because it didn't cost you anything (i have boxes of extra fans, and other stuff that i can use)
I make around 5k USD a year as a side hustle / hobby on buying and selling PC's, and i mostly buy from people like you in the video, who does not know how to market the PC, have bad discriptions or in some cases bad pictures. I don't waste my time on anything i can't make a minimum of 300-500USD on - it's not worth spending 5 hours to make a 100 bucks right? Then you might as well go get a real job.
You can't force finding a good deal though, you have to keep your eyes open at all times, have cash ready - wait for a bargain to come along, and be ready to strike fast - as in "Hey, can i buy your PC today for X amount (always a little less then they are asking) if i pick it up today and pay cash" EVERY seller values a quick deal and in 9 out of 10 instances give you a discount for a quick deal. And every dollar saved is a dollar earned!
Best of luck on your next flip - hope it's not as big of a flop that this was!
Kevin (Long time fan of Lyle)
Brian at Tech Yes City knows how to hustle. Kyle should have spoken to him before diving into the unknown.
I sell pcs as side hustle as well and I agree with most of what you said except for not buying new components. The trick is being selective with purchases...buy stuff that will make pc instantly attractive such as RGB fans or a nice modern case. My motto is "Buy ugly, sell beautiful". Also, Kyle did not add any keywords to any listing....u gotta take advantage of algorithns. :)
This is great advice. It lines up perfectly with my experience flipping PCs in Germany over the years.
@@b0ne91 Man, Germany is a tough market though. I always ended up making more money just taking them apart and selling the parts than actually flipping them. People don't trust private sellers with whole systems at all here. If you are a business and give a 1 year warranty, okay, maybe then.
@@catriona_drummond the uk is also tough for pcs cus we don't have a pc shop XD
The first thing I learned about flipping PCs is turning Trash to Treasure. Taking a dude's already fully assembled PC, making some cosmetic or barely noticeable "upgrades" and trying to turn a profit is just this side of scalping. Hell, even dropping a low-power GPU into a workstation with integrated graphics would've been better than this.
Kyle fight the Lazy Side of the Force! Swap back in the other board to restore the features. Lyle would have done it right ! 😁
HAHAHAHA
As an avid bargain hunter, I suggest you search for used parts, incomplete builds and mom and pop shops. it's some of the most luck i've had and people are more lenient on letting go of used parts. :) I recently just build a 5600x build for 500 with a 980ti and I couldn't be happier. I think it also helps significantly if you live in a populated area! good luck amigo
One does not simply flip a PC
Those bad boys are heavy
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😂
Hit the gym, soyboy.
@@neondemon5137 your mom goes to work wearing shin pads
Laughs in ITX
Selling a complete system you're always going to take a loss
Parting it out ALWAYS, ALWAYS yields more money
This dude gets it. Don’t everyone our secret tho ;)
Or buy several systems and mix-match parts for price/performance, then benchmark builds and sell with some RGB bling. But his initial deal on the full system wasn't great to begin with.
I buy a lot of stuff used. If it was well taken care of and clean I'm down to save a pretty good chunk of change to sacrifice the unboxing experience. In doing so I've noticed the easiest way to tell if someone cares about their item is if they take the time to take nice pictures. If they just throw up one terribly lit picture I'm going to assume if they put that little effort into the listing that they probably neglected the item. Also, if they say an issue with it in the description then they're an honest person. 2 Pro tips.
But with that said I would be a little apprehensive of buying desktops used. Individual components I'm a little more willing, but with desktops you can get someone who doesn't really know what they are doing assembling it and there's so many points that could lead to a potential failure when assembling a PC from the ground up. I've worked in hardware repair before and we are always apprehensive when someone has worked on a device before because that introduces an element of unpredictability into the equation of repairing something. Maybe they put a screw that's too long into the board and caused some long screw damage to the board that's not immediately obvious. Maybe they accidentally touched their screwdriver or tweezers to a capacitor on the the board and shorted something out on accident while working on it. Maybe they didn't put the connector on properly and had to apply too much force. Leading to slightly damaging the fpc connector on the board and resulting in a headache. I feel a similar thing applies to desktop PC's. If you have someone who has never done it before, half assing through a tutorial then weird stuff can happen.
This stuff doesn't seem to drop in value too much either. Little Jimmy spent $1,500 on his custom PC 4 years ago and will be asking close to that because he doesn't understand the components depreciate as soon as they're opened and even more so as they get outdated and newer generations of hardware release. When it comes to desktop PC's, I'll stick to new and doing it myself. That way I know the history of the whole setup and that everything will be installed correctly.
"Can't imagine its the new Drive." Its the drive
If you spent a lousy $15 on a Windows 10 key, that might have made a difference. People may have thought they needed to spend $150 on Windows 10 Pro from Newegg.
Dude when you realised it wasn’t the old motherboard causing the issue… why didn’t you put it back in?! You’d have got WiFi back and you would have been able to plug the RGB back in! I am so confused man lol
It's called being lazy. Wanting top dollar and dropping specs on a flip is never good.
Hey Kyle, this has been my fav vid in a while. More of these please!
Frankly I don't quite understand why you didn't start your fault-finding with the easiest thing, the SSD. Not even remove it, just plug in a SATA SSD.
He said he tried a completely different ssd and it also failed.
Because it was brand new..........................
@@ocelotxp so what I had a crucial ssd that was brand new that exhibited the exact same issues Kyle's did. That was awful troubleshooting by him and makes me question how much he even knows about computers
@@ocelotxp never an excuse. homie did it with display cables AND a riser too. he gotta learn to K.I.S.S better.
Sometimes you just overlook the simplest troubleshooting steps if you think you know what the problem is.
He tried to upsell a pc by downgrading the mobo in a serious way and by spending stupid money on visual upgrades.
And not only you kept the worst mobo, even after you found out it was the SSD, but you didn't mention it on your posting and you planned to informed the buyer after they expressed interest...
You make it hard rooting it for you in this
Some Buyers are looking For Cheap But performance Not visual, the visual appeal is for people That have the money to Make their system Look nice
@@themixvisuals_ Results speak in favour of my point
So he downgraded the MB from a Strix w/ RGB control & Wifi to cheap Prime version without those and upgraded the visuals by making the lights not work.... Next time, look for the ugliest, cheapest and poorly made ads. But with the nicest components =) You make the money by cleaning / reconditioning everything and then building it in a visually appealing case (I try to use all new cases).
Buy low, sell high!
The case was fine. Problem is this was 5-year-old parts and not a good value (overpaid)
Why not switch the motherboards again to avoid the compromises??
that was alot of all of our immediate question... the choice to leave it out to me was an immediate no...
It is a learning curve that can really depress a person, Ive learned a few lessons and of all of them, the first and by far the most important is that if you are going to make a profit on a used PC, you have to have had gotten a great deal when you purchased it, such as buying from a garage sale, Goodwill, etc. your not going to make a profit by paying anywhere close to market value, even if someone buys your PC for 500, they probably wouldnt be able to sell ot for that.
another is Desktops dont sell as a whole, take it apart and sell it piece by piece.
Laptops are a much better choice and there are more deals to be had, most people are more willing to take a desktop apart to troubleshoot than they are a laptop, so they sell them at first sign of malfunction, and many laptops will filter power through battery, so if battery starts failing, it looks like the pc is bad when a simple battery replacement will get laptop running.
For some insane reason, Apple devices are almost a sure sell, people are fanatical about Macs.
These are just a few lessons learned through trial and error, mostly the path to profitability depends on the deal you get, a good deal and chances are better you'll be profitable. If you know the definition of retail arbitrage without having to "google" it, then you already know.
As someone who's been selling on eBay for over a decade I can tell you that "seller rep" on that site is a joke. I've had great transactions with people with no feedback and shit transactions with people with hundreds of "positive" feedback ratings, it's luck of the draw. I refurb and sell computers for a living, you bought that system at my top, no negotiation, sucker with more money than brains' asking price, and I'd sell it out the door for probably 900 on most days. Go watch some Tech Yes City videos if you want to learn how to flip used hardware like a pro.
One guess on the temp sensor - if you want a 'true' reading of how warm your chassis is getting, you don't want your temperature probe sitting somewhere that will have constant airflow from a chassis fan, or hot discharge from a cpu/gpu fan. Behind the motherboard tray it seems like not a lot of airflow will reach that thermistor, unless the chassis is in such negative pressure that fresh air is sucked in from the small vents. Thus, the thermistor will give a fairly good idea of the amount of heat buildup inside the chassis. If it's exposed to the airflow from a chassis fan, then the readings will fluctuate as the case temperature increases and the fan speeds up, blowing cool air over the sensor, the sensor reads a decrease, the fan slows down but hasn't actually lowered the temperature much, you get where this is going .
Your loss is much higher because of Ebay's fee, which includes taking ~$7 from the $50 you get for shipping it... Only got like $650 after Ebay's & PayPal's fees probably.
You need to mention the transaction costs! Their fees have been quite egregious since they changed their pricing model some years back.
Hey! I had a similar situation just recently. I was building and selling PCs right when the pandemic hit and was cleaning up at it. It wasn't until last November that my last build was up for sell for 2 months with nothing but low ball offers. Something has changed and I think your theory on GPU prices finally dropping is that people aren't as interested in older systems anymore. Great vid. Give it another shot! 👍
Glad you realised you missed on the MB flip back ... but I wonder why you didnt bother with the 2nd NH-D15 fan? It really does cool better with both ... not that an 8700 is going to be like a 12th gen hot box, still, its kinda odd you kept it.
As someone who flipping PC, this thing worth like 700 to 800 dollars, you can easily find a 8700k + 1080ti build for like 900-1000 dollars (I actually struggled to sell two build with this spec for 1k) something I find out during flipping pc is, people usually don't care that much about the ram size (16gb is the sweet spot), storage (256gb SSD and some HDD is good enough) ,PSU, and motherboard. What they care the most is the graphic card, then CPU and the style, I guess that's related to the GPU shortage? for styling, some rgb fans are good enough. (at least that is want happened in OfferUp and Marketplace) So maybe you should spending more on the GPU for a build? (A 1080Ti cost like 500-450) Also your OfferUp account is "weak", people do not trust an account with no rating. At the end, it just really hard to sell computer around Los Angeles area for a good price since we have a lot of supplies.
My experience with flipping pcs over the last couple of years has been much the same. If you go and try to add up the average value of the parts on the market then right off the top that's gonna be overly optimistic to think you'll get that much. Definitely CANNOT buy all your parts at msrp and hope you're gonna get a profit out of it. The trick is to get good prices on at least a couple of your parts so your initial cost comes in a decent amount below market value and then sell it for more to make your profit. I've also found that I have the best luck making really budget builds and selling them in the 300-400 range. Above that and you're getting into the range where you might as well buy a series x and a pc just isn't gonna compete on price/performance in that range. Helps to throw in all the extra stuff the buyer would need like keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, cables etc.
This is great advice. It lines up perfectly with my experience flipping PCs in the past years.
I've had trouble selling complete systems but when I broke them down into parts they sold very easy. Maybe there's just a bigger market of people upgrading then people just starting out and needing everything. Or maybe people don't like to gamble a lot on a used computer but don't mind gambling on a small upgrade.
Whatever the reason I break down systems into the prices I think people would be willing to risk to save some money. But expensive items with cheaper options are often only worth the cheapest option. People don't care if a case has some great features because they could get a cheap one if they build it themselves. It's rare someone will pay more because they want the slightly better option that you are selling. It may work for some things but it's rare.
Knowing this and understanding that people selling stuff almost always ask way too much you really have to lowball people if you're trying to resell stuff. You have to break it down for them, tell them you're reselling it even. If they been trying to sell it for awhile I always mention that it will just keep dropping in value. Selling to me is just like selling in a few months to someone else.
For example if someone has a $140 case then I say I can get a cheap brand new case for $70, most I can get for your used case is $50 so I'll give you $40 or you keep the case and I'll buy the rest and buy a $30 used case. I'd say you could of been mining on your rtx 2060 for years so I'm taking a big risk on that. The most I can sell it for guaranteed is $300 so I'll give you $250 even though it would prolly sell for $350 easy. You got 16GB ram I can give you $50 for it. A 1TB harddrive $30 and $30 for PSU. If motherboard and CPU is worth $400 I'd offer $250. So all in all that's $650 and I'd sell it for $800 to $900. Note example based on current prices.
Now if it doesn't sell fast at $900 I drop it to $800 within a week. I want a quick flip. If it doesn't sell at $800 then $750. If it still don't sell, now I sell for parts but back to the $900 prices when prices added together. Usually the GPU sells instantly. The motherboard and cpu goes fast. The ram is easy sell. Often left with case, keyboard, mouse and PSU for your next build. If I get a good price on first item sold then I can give in a bit on following pieces to sell them fast. If the first one haggles then I have to be more firm with the rest.
I try to look at used things being worth half price. But if I'm reselling it then I almost have to get it for a quarter of the price to get a 100% markup. But a computer is worth enough that even making a 33% markup means a few hundred in my pocket. So if it's a $1200 system new then it probably won't sell for more than $800 very quick. If you try to get $1000 people think $200 more for new! Makes no sense. So I might offer 75% of what it will sell for so $800x.75 = $600 but even at $650 I would make $150 quickly. But I might go $700 if it has extras, headphones maybe and looks amazing with no scratches etc.
Anyways, hope that helps, good luck.
Can confirm, bling will sell a PC.i have been flipping PCs for 4 years now, and if you have a fancy case or lots of lighting, you will get your selling price regardless of major specs.
Depends on where you are. Our local market stinks.
@@2528drevas true, I am in Central Ohio. I do okay. But there are times when supply and buyers are ghosts...
I paused this at... 14:37 to make this comment. I'm brand-new to this channel and can't tell you how refreshing it is to see an "expert" go through the same shite I've gone through once or twice (been building PCs for 25+ years). KUDOS to you.
My guess is power -- either the PSU itself, bad connectors/connections, faulty cables, or micro cracks in the mobo circuitry. I had a similar problem once that turned out to be the PSU.
You were absolutely hindered by using a burner eBay account. I wouldn't even consider buying something like this from someone with no feedback (I've had my eBay account since 2002 -- mostly buying but also selling, so I know a thing or three about it). And finally, remember that you'll get more action anywhere with a low-priced PC than with a high-end PC. Simply, there are more people with $500 to spend than there are with $5,000 to spend.
Kyle just tried to do a Bryan's "Tech YES City" flip, it's not perfect ,but a fun flippin' experiment anyway :D
I do a lot of this buying and flipping PCs as a side hustle and the problem was with your initial purchase price. $1000 is already pretty high for that rig so it doesn’t leave you any wiggle room for upgrades, haggles or fees when you go and try to sell it. Maybe the market in LA is different than my market in FL, but I just scored a very similar system with a 1080 Ti for $700. Parted and flipped it all for about a $500 profit.
Talking about HDD's... I accidentially bought a 5400 dirve instead of a 7200. Is it's 4TB instead of 2, but is it too slow to run games without stuttering or having trash fps?
I have a 960gb NVME, but that I only want to use for my OS and games like Tarkov, RL, WT, WOT and other games where you need fast loading-speed.
You will be fine ! The only difference would be loading times, but the slower speed of the hdd make them nearly silent and won't vibrate as much as a 7200
Having a burner account probably did a good chunk of the harm to the listing as well. Selling stuff can be weird some times. I once tried to sell a switch at cost and could NOT sell it for the life of me despite switchs consistently selling for higher at the time. Sometimes "too good to be true" is an issue with selling
15:08 lots of ppl normally overlook the drive. i had lots of issues when i rebuild my PC from scratch and i was having issues that at first seemed to be CPU related, since i was having weird CPU spikes and core loads. but after mobo and CPU RMA the issues continued then i tried my old drive and issues where gone. then i realized i had a bad SSD and i got a new SSD and everything was fine.
so ye. a bad SSD or HDD can cause issues that might cause freezing and massive lag. or worst case, fail to boot
That was my initial gut feeling as soon as I saw that issue. This is why I never by these brands because they only have issues. In fact I have a 1 TB WD Blue SSD that went back after three years and barely had any data on it. I had to RMA it and will probably never by from WD again.
@@AeschylusShepherd the drive i was having issues was PNY's SSD, now i mainly use Kingston but im planing to get Samsungs 500GB M.2 for OS and 1TB M.2 for games.
right now i have Kingstons 240GB and 480GB SSDs and Seagates 2TB HDD as my 2nd game storage, my regular dump drive is Seagates SSHD 1TB hybrid.
the PNY i use as external SSD since the 240GB Kingston came with adapter to turn 2.5" drive into external USB drive
The best part about this is now you REALLY understand what a lot of people go through just trying to sell some of their stuff, and buyers who watch you or LTT, the buyer thinks they have some sort of "insider knowledge" and can try to lowball you as if you're an "uninformed person". If I tried selling my system (i9 9900k, RTX3070, 32 GB ram) i'd get undercut to SHIT. Thinks get put heavily into perspective after you experience something like this.
I knew it was the SSD before you swaped the motherboard. I had that same issue with that very same SSD. Once I took that drive out and used another SSD, everthing returned to normal. I will never buy an Inland SSD ever again
Hey Kyle, somethings you can do to help sell your next flip, add a web viewable benchmark like Nero score, Port Royal or cpuuserbenchmark as proof the machine works and a benefit, shows the seller what other comparable hardware is doing. I don't really do the "used flip" market but do custom builds for people but still follow the same rules as common flips go. Buy good inventory cheap, don't lie to the buyer what they're getting and never sell it below break-even. Sometimes with a build I sell, I'll substitute a affordable component for the buyer if they want to negotiate the price to make a sell happen. I.E. instead of that ASUS Strix, I'd use a ASRock Pro or Steel Legend if I have it inventoried. Any stock that I have laying around, I'll keep it for upgrades for someone else. Hard to go on aesthetics alone but clean cable management adds bonus points and RGB is a good advertisement.
you should try to buy parts instead of an entire PC, then sell it once you have a full 2nd hand system from different sellers
A tip for flipping Buy whole 2nd hand PCs then Find better components also 2nd hand and upgrade the system For really cheap and resale The Pc with upgraded parts
I'm by no means any kind of pro or expert in the area of PC flipping, but I dabble a bit. In the last 2 years I've built and sold 16 gaming PCs ranging from $700-$1500. I've made each and every sale through Facebook Marketplace and made a profit, in cash, on ALL of them.
I actually think that it was good idea to put a few bucks into the aesthetics of the rig. That sort of thing really does make a difference. I saw your comment about realizing that you should've put the OG motherboard back in once you saw there was nothing wrong with it. That was definitely the thing to do.
For me, I've always prioritized good price to performance, very detailed listing with lots of good pictures, open lines of communication, in-person meetups to demo that everything works well and point out any inner stuff like where the drives are located etc. and cash is ALWAYS king.
I never ask for more than I would think is a good price if I were the buyer. I've found that it's a lot better to make good connections and make many smaller profits than to try and hit only home runs with every sale. Plus, word of mouth is the best advertising in the world, and it's free.
Thanks for uploading this. This is reality, not always making money on stuff. This is how things tend to go for me lmao
The things I have learned about flipping anything PC related is to gauge the current market and finding price trends for individual computer parts. I know it is probably common advice for reselling an item but pricing individual components helps me to sell PC parts, especially when I want to sell a whole PC with a combination of new/used parts. The one thing I would never do when selling individual PC parts or a whole PC is to sell defective/used storage. I would definitely buy an NMMe SSD for a whole PC whenever possible, even if I have to sell the whole system with a slight deficit. The other thing I sometimes is to sell either a CPU or RAM at a loss, especially if either one of the two components have significantly lost their vary. I hope that anyone who reads my comment somewhat helpful and I hope that everyone has a fantastic day.
I knew the second he said the SSD was there on second and the next boot it wasn't that it was the SSD. I had the same issue with a Crucial SSD long ago. I only purchase Samsung SSD's now (14 purchased so far) and not once that that happened to me again. Every time i look at these builds with people using garbage no name brand SSD's I cringe...
Maybe I'm different then other people, but cosmetics comes in third place behind performance and cost. If it were me, I'd of sold off the air cooler, and put an arctic liquid freezer II in the build. It's relatively cheap, and would increase the value more to me then sleeved cables and fan colors.
I'm feeling you. It's definitely easier to sell by parting stuff out.
Don't forget that Ebay takes their cut as well. 12.65% fee on electronics. $1100-(810-102(ebay fees)) = $392 loss without shipping. Factor in shipping and its a greater loss.
you bought something that didn't need flipped, threw on some bells in whistles in a time where getting a budget PC is impossible, and expected more than it was worth. of course it didn't sell! its MUCH better buying something a little more gunky/older/in need of some TLC for MUCH less. and than flip it.
Yep, that's my experience as well. If it's not new parts, people will pay prices I'm used to. I would have listed this for $700 with zero modifications other than a good cleaning, aka I would have never bought it in the first place. Unless someone agreed to sell me this thing for $600, I wouldn't have even considered buying it. Would have messaged asking that price and parting out. You may say, "that's less than retail for parts". My answer is: I sent out ~10 offers for broken electronics yesterday. Literal broken/not working electronics. Not one agreed to the price I wanted to pay. Some weren't even 20% lower than asking. They weren't even ridiculous low ball offers. They assumed someone would pay more for those parts due to the massive money supply inflation/printing and general bubble behavior that occurred last year. They assumed wrong. Some of those listings have been up for over 2 years and are real listings not sold listings that need to be removed. Price is not determined by what you want to sell it for. It's determined by what people are willing to pay. If I'm your buyer, you're about to get some serious low ball offers. I wish you the best in finding someone willing to pay more. This industry is stupendously hard to make money in.
Also don't forget the flat ~14% ebay cut (Holy shit that's getting high. The 30% tech platform meme is close). $810*.86 = $697 - (~$30 for shipping) = $667. If you sold it, that's about what you would get after sale +/- about 3%.
You netted a solid 667-1100 = -$433. Sounds about right. At least you can write that off on your taxes. Overall, I would say this is a good intro lesson, if a little expensive. The recent price inflation was literally all ETH miners. A good 90% of the 2nd hand pricing were miners. People are underestimating the impact of mining/amount of gpus bought strictly for mining. Can't wait for the sell off. It's going to be huge.
My advice if you actually want to flip these things in your spare time, is that you need to be able to be notified of listings immediately. And I mean immediately. If you're not in your car/bike/rickshaw/running shoes ready to go pick up 5 mins after listing, welp you better because that's your competition. Again, it's hard to make money in this field, but the money is there if you're willing to break your back and learn.
I challenge you to do this again but come out positive. It'll take more effort than you may expect.
Don't focus on crap that makes it pretty, i.e. cable sleeves, focus on items that make it fast.
A user buying a used craigslist build is not looking for a kick ass theme build... They just want something to game on.
Edit: glad to see you realized this at the end
all the rich kids with their parents credit card will fall for the pc with the most rgb gamery looking things not gonna lie
@@mrducky179 rich kids with parents credit card aren't gonna be buying used lol
@@mrducky179 i actually flipped pcs for a few months and looks definitely do play a large part, at least in my market. any time i had a function but meh looking PC id get lowballs or no offers, once i started making them look nice i would still get lowballs, but a lot more offers and often sold quicker. Most people buying used PCs don't know much about PCs, they are just looking for something that can game. to them, prettier means faster so they pay more for prettier
@@bendan2505 for me with this, it was a nice looking PC to begin with. The bling he added was just money down the drain IMO. I agree, make it look pretty, but little things like that that added 100+ to an already overpriced PC was not a good idea, lol. He should have talked the seller down more on the original purchase, needs to become a schrewd negotiator.
@@majorleaguegains5597 fair enough
Only 33 seconds in but I can tell you that GPU will run hot AF. I had to get the NZKT mod bracket to put an aio on mine because no matter what I did (new thermal paste, higher fan speed, etc) I was hitting thermal throttle limits on mine.
so you had money for sleeved cables and fancy fan shrouds but went with a 5200rpm HDD? Those have been outdated and slow 7 years ago!
I built PCs and sold them on Craigslist for a while in 2018. R5 1600 / RX580 8GB/ 16GB8x2-3200 / 512GB NVMe rigs for $750. They sold pretty really well, volume was 3-4 a week. Far better deal than any OEM was offering on a comparable system. I would totally still be selling PCs if not for the GPU scarcity.
Profit margin wasn't super great, but I just wanted to grow and sell more. Never evolved into an actual company.
I'm kinda disappointed in you Kyle. I was screaming at my screen that it was the ssd so much. Then you never put the old motherboard back in since you discovered it wasn't a motherboard problem. You took away both wifi and RGB.
This was a lot of fun to watch. I'd love to watch a series of you buying meh PC's, sprucing them up and flipping them for more than you paid.
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Great video! I think the biggest mistake was spending $1200 (or whatever the exact number was) on a PC on Craigslist. I know it was "worth that much" but to make money, you've got to find the diamond in the rough. You've got to monitor listings until that really great PC goes up for like $500 because they just don't want it anymore. It may be different in CA, but here I see anything over about $600 just sitting there for months. If you can find a decent PC in a crappy case and slap it into a gaming case, that may work out better. Anyway, good luck!
I’d encourage you to ask yourself (if ever you do find a pc u wanna flip), would you be willing to pay that price for that rig (for unknown used parts) and would you be able to build a brand new rig that’ll run the same or better for the same price?
For me, as an experienced builder, I would rather pay slightly more for a brand new rig I can build myself rather than fork over that much money on a used custom pc that offers no warranties.
I speak from experience as I’ve purchased a handful of used gpus that have taken a dump on me shortly after minimal use from the used market. I’ve learned to save myself the hassle and stick to new parts as I at least have that warranty to fall back on.
I think at this point, in order to maximize ur return on this flip pc, you can always consider parting it out and then replacing/rebuilding it with lower tier parts and asking less. That way you should come close to breaking even.
Inland SSDs are always hard to get working so you have to put it into a pc with windows and use partition manager to create a single partition of the entire drive because windows installer can't do it unless you do this. It's weird but you have to put it in a pc and use partition manager.
the most important part about flipping PCs is not overpaying on the purchase, which you did. you have to look at the used market to get a feel for what people are ACTUALLY willing to pay for systems, and then only buy below that. here is a hint, listings you don't see having been sold within 1-2 days are asking too much, i usually need 1 - 16 hours, at most a day to find a buyer, listings you see for a couple of days are staying there because they ask too much.
I had a similar issue trying to sell my rig. 3700x / 2080ti - well built and very clean. I could not move it. I got messages but no bites. I decided to keep it in the end, but I had to ship it across the country which I will never do again without spending hundreds on shipping cost and materials to ensure UPS doesn't annihilate the box.
My thoughts? I wouldn't go below a 9700k, and absolutely nothing below a 1080ti. With GPUs coming down so much lately, people aren't as desperate anymore. Also Zotac is a less known brand in the US, they make great stuff but it didn't snag the attention like a ROG or Gigabyte or other more popular brand might have gotten. The yellow logo in a black and white system didn't help. It almost looked Fisher Price, maybe swapping to a red/yellow color or something? One other thought, I have had issues with certain brands of SSD as well, especially in fussy ASUS boards which seem to just be snobbish "You want me to write data on a WHAT? Sir, I do not slum it with B list brands, Inland? Who even is that? How much dust did you have to clear off that package to see the price sticker? More to the point, how many red stickers were there, probably in descending order?""
A couple of cents here after flipping about 20 pc's. White is much harder to sell, stay with black. Always better with mesh or glass in front, with some highly visible RGB (RGB is a must). Everything must be connected and working, or removed if not. Buying a complete PC is hard to flip for a profit, go for something with missing parts or just all individual parts (mobo, cpu, ram bundles are timesaving though). The point is that the job of turning discarded parts into a fully functional system creates value and in there lies your profit.
I don't understand that once you realised the ssd was causing the freezes/crashes why you didn't put back the original mobo?
So.. I built a system about a year and a half ago and I have dealt with this EXACT same problem whenever I boot. I was terrified when you swapped the board, the last thing I wanted to do was have to buy a new mobo. I also tried a separate SSD, and got the same issue, so I figured that wasn't the problem. To hear you had to try two drives to fix the problem leads me to consider buying a brand new SSD or NVMe and trying again.
You might want to try a lower price range for your initial investment, maybe set a cap of $600-$800 for that, it'll probably open it up to a wider audience, especially during these dark times. Also try and buy a bundle of parts instead, crypto miners will usually sell combos like CPU + RAM + MOBO + SSD (Maybe just flat out the whole pc without a GPU) or something like that, that you may want to keep an eye out for. Then slap a something like 1070 or a 1660 super in it, which you might be able to get those for $300 on ebay or local if you're lucky. Although I haven't actually done this, it has entered my mind to give it a shot and these were the ideas I had. I think I may go ahead and do a project like this, thanks for the inspiration!
Loved the video. However, I have a lot of things to say about it. I've been flipping PCs for the past 4-5 months. I am currently on my 16th flip and I have never lost money on a single build. On average I have made $150 profit on each build. Now I will say, I am targetting a much lower-end market by buying those $200-300 builds and putting them in a nicer (modern case) with a little RBG. All of the builds have had an SSD Boot Drive with 1TB Storage Drive as well as having a fully activated and updated Win 10/10 Pro. My largest point would be the platform on which you used to sell the PC. Maybe it's just me, but in my area Craigslist is dead. Facebook marketplace has been extremely good to me in making sure I don't hold a PC for more than one week! All in all, I think if you came down to a lower end market on a different platform you would be set.
I recently built a new custom Corsair based PC with the only "used" part being the MSI RTX 2080 GPU that I used to configure my other (bigger) PC that I scored an EVGA RTX 2080 K|NGP|N card for. Anyways, I suffered from the same situation that Kyle did with Craigslist and FB Marketplace buyers trying to lowball me, and I was just trying to sell it "at cost".
I ended up trading it to a friend of mine that is going to do some electrical wiring in my house so I could just move it along to a new owner. If I ever do this again I'll see about trying to sell it through one of the small PC stores in the area on consignment. I enjoy building PCs for a hobby, but not at a loss because I don't have a client base or seller ratings.
I think the price was way too high for the specs. It looked absolutely fantastic but I just spent $1,100 for a brand new PC (tax and shipping included) from Newegg new components and built it myself. Mine is a be Quiet 500DX case, AMD 5600X, 16GB of 3600 DDR4, MSI nVidia 3050, 600W PSU 80+ Gold, B550 motherboard, and 500GB NVME SSD. I think when GPU prices drop a bit more I can meet that budget with what I had to add to it after the fact. I replaced the stock Wraith cooler with a Vetroo V5 and added an intel WiFi NVME kit. Now, I didn't know but for a bit more I could have bought a Phantom Gaming 4 version which includes WiFi, oh well. I also cheated a bit, I admit, as my own PC (the one I built was for my son) has a 240mm AIO but I upgraded the fans with ARGB as the stock ones were RGB. I used up those two leftover fans to do a full two fan setup on the Vetroo cooler which greatly enhanced its performance and looks. It also created an awesome airflow from the front fans through the case and out the back exhaust. But I still believe if the 3050 goes down to launch retail price it is possible to add all this to the budget. Which makes your PC with older generation CPU and GPU less competitive. You should try flipping a build not a purchased PC.
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Suggestion: try updating the ROG STRIX Z370-E GAMING BIOS 3005 bios, as well as replacing the CMOS battery. Those 2032 bios batteries can sometimes deceptively indicate having 3.0 volts when testing with a volt meter, yet still fail to provide sufficient amperage to function normally. At least, that's what happened with a 2032 battery inside of a garage door opener. A volt meter indicated it could supply 3.0 volts, but was still unable to provide enough oomph to enable the radio signal to operate the garage door opener. Replaced with a fresh battery, and operation back to normal.
Keep doing flipping video's like these, they are quite enjoyable. Even if you're not making a premium, these seem pretty popular.
When you flip a PC you only buy if you know you are getting it at a low price. Look at what the marketplaces are asking for similar PCs and make sure you can post yours just below the lowest price. Finding decent PCs to flip is tough, usually need to find that needle in the haystack to be able to flip and make profit. Also, I know $100 is $100 but that less than 10% of what you spent, if you are flipping you should look to be able to make more. I usually try to make 30% back when I flip or else the risk/reward isn’t really there. Also, unless the PC is busted, never buy new parts for it. Don’t invest more money than you need to on something you are flipping. Yet again that’s just risk/reward. If people want your pc it’ll be more for the specs rather than the fans or the cables as long as everything is clean.
Asus has a problem with the PCI-E section with Auto and the different versions. My fix was to "hard set" the version to PCI-E V3.0 per my RX 5700XT limitation.
Ran like a dream. This also applies to the M.2 SSD. HARD SET them everytime!
MB: Gigabyte Z490M
CPU: Intel Core i5 10600K
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master ML120
RAM: Kingston HyperX Fury 16GB(2x8GB) DDR4-3200 RGB
VGA: MSI Duke 1080Ti OC 11GB
SSD: Samsung PM981 512GB NVMe
HDD: WD Blue 1TB
PSU: Sharkoon Silent Storm IceWind 750W 80+ Bronze Semi-modular
Case: DeepCool Matrex 50
Case Fans: 4x DeepCool 120mm aRGB silent fans
got this for 1070$ think it was worth it 6 months ago
I used to sell buy and sell PC's for a few months when I got laid off at my job, what I really noticed is a big selling point is RGB, of course you won't get hardcore enthusiasts wanting to buy it more but people who are younger and just regular people who are getting it for their first PC. RGB is a huge selling point, I had a Ryzen 2600 and 1060 build I could not sell even after a month of posting and reposting it every 2 days, I bought a cheap RGB kit on Amazon for like $15 or 16, I sold the PC that same weekend I even listed it higher lol, it got a lot more views and attention just by having flashy lights. We mock flashy rainbow vomit RGB, but it does sell PC's a lot faster!
This is a great example of why straight flipping an already built PC is nearly always a losing effort. Even when piecing together systems using "bargain" parts that you collect, there's a constant array of things to worry about - hardware failures, incompatibility, getting scammed on parts, getting scammed by the end buyer, etc, etc. Plus you didn't account for your spent hours when adding up your losses. Your time is worth something. Even with a successful build using good value parts, you still have to worry about the end user creating issues that weren't there initially and blaming you for them afterwards. Way too much stress to make this a profitable or worthwhile side-hustle. Did it for a while during the pandemic, made some money, hated it all the way.
meanwhile me selling Ryzen 5600X + 3060 16/32gb ram 500Gb nvme for 1200$-1300$ and people still complain is too expensive. Usually a pc like that I would only pay around 600-700$ and resell it for 850 or so. Been selling computers as a hobby for 2 years now
I bought a brand new 2tb 980Pro NVME from Newegg about 3-4 months ago to replace my ageing 1tb OS drive and I plugged it into my motherboard and it instantly ruined my motherboard. I confirmed it was the drives fault by putting it into a sacrificial ASRock board and it killed it promptly too. it wouldn't get past bios even after putting a known good one back in. Sad part is neither Samsung nor Newegg will take any responsibility for selling me the faulty drive and after going back and forth with both pointing their finger at the other I gave up and chose to eat the 1300$ motherboard cost. I'm not blaming one of then specific if anything I think its Samsung's fault for giving Newegg the defective drive in the first place. But its sad that big companies put their mistakes onto the consumers. I even asked if I could get a 10% off to a new one from them and I was meet with "why its not our fault" or something close to that. So amazon won in the end getting my money for the new LGA1700 water cooled ASUS board.
The last time I sold my PC, I parted it out. Selling a complete build was difficult since no one bit. I took out the graphics card and RAM which sold quickly. I then sold the CPU (9900K) separately. Finally, I sold the MOBO, case and CPU cooler as one item. All told, I got more money than I originally asked for the PC selling it in pieces.
The used value's are falling fast as it seems we might be partially pulling out of the gpu shortage. I thought I was gonna be able to get a few hundred for a gtx 670 build I had. No offers as of a couple weeks ago. 1650 Supers are obtainable again for under $300 ish. I still want a 3060ti for 399.99 tho because i'll be staying in 1080p land for a while longer, and I dont think that'll happen anytime soon.
The used market can be weird, I had a hell of a time selling a really good X 570 MB that was literally brand new and never used as I bought it then discovered my board was not the issue I was having. I tried to sell it and thought half price was very fair... but then I had trouble with people thinking it was a scam as it was too good to be true lol. I got sick of the stupid questions and started just ignoring people and what was a bargain took so long to sell.
I got a seller after many weeks and he was very happy but boy was it a hassle
Build your rating on eBay by buying and selling a bunch of little things (fans, cases, drives, etc). For me, when I'm deciding to pull the trigger on an eBay auction, it's the number of reviews that's important, because that indicates to me the ability of the seller to satisfy. Also, it tells me that the seller is "in the game", meaning he isn't just popping on eBay to sell one thing he came across by chance.
I just bought a used 1650 on CL that once I got it home and tested it was artifacting. It's supposed to go in a budget build of a bunch of used parts I had laying around. I texted the dude and he was cool about it and admitted he never tested or used the card since he had gotten it in a trade. Was the first bad GPU I bought. He offered me my money back, but luckily it's still under warranty so I'll call MSI on Monday and see if I can RMA it. If not I'll take him up on just getting my money back.
Don't forget about the 12+% that ebay is going to take. Also, remember, buyers have to pay sales tax on ebay for most (if not all) states now so this may have played a part in what it sold for. My state is 7% sales tax, if I purchased it I would have paid $863 including your $50 shipping. In the current state of the PC world, not a bad deal for the buyer. For the seller (you).... after you pay ebay fees and pay for shipping (assuming it is $50 to ship) I would estimate that you will be left with somewhere around the neighborhood of $650ish in your pocket. Yes, ebay gets a lot of eyes on your product, and can sometime get you top dollar, you lose some of that with the higher fees they charge.
personally, i would've tried to flip the 8700k and mobo first, then used that money to buy something new, if it was me looking at the ad I think the biggest problem I would have is the upgradeability of the pc
I had a good feeling the M.2 was the issue all along. I saw brand and was like ICK. Though the white board looks so much better in that build. I've been dreaming myself a build in a similar color scheme. Back to the original board issues, I work for a school system, and our high school's graphics lab has Asus boards that like to lock up on the BIOS splash screen, and my favorite was randomly trying to boot to the wrong drive. The build had a full size machinal drive and a SATA 2.5 inch SSD. Computers would like to randomly swap the drive order deep in the BIOS. I know it wasn't the students because the BIOS was password locked.
You have a nice build, but it's a shame it's a difficult flip. Not a great market to make larger margins.
What kind of camera do you use for making these videos? The quality looks really good
just got a new build pc on facebook market place for $1120.00 , ryzen 9 3900x , 32 gigs corsair ram , dvd rw , 1TB samsung nvme , Asus X570 plus motherboard , MSI RTX 3050 graphic card , Corsair 750 RM psu , Fractal case , not looking to resell but very pleased with what I got
Bitwit, I had the exact problem with my Asus Mobo as you did. It required a BIOS update and then all my drives were recognized. It is very odd as you can see, and there is not very much solid information on how to fix it. The only way that I found out was just finding my Mobo on Asus's site and then downloading the file to USB and plugging it into the computer, going to Asus's update settings in the BIOS and then updating it. Finally everything worked.
I just recently had that problem with things getting stuck while loading, also with shutting down for me. I also thought I was having a motherboard problem and was about ready to buy a new one. But then I discovered that a hard drive was failing. I removed that hard drive, and everything works just fine now. Since this wasn't the system drive that failed, I'm confused about the whole situation.
Well I finished the video, and I see that you discovered the drive problem. Yours was a system drive SSD, while mine was an app drive HDD.
as they say "experience is the best teacher"