The Luftwaffe Cloned Britain's Most Successful Bomber - The Moskito
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- Опубліковано 9 тра 2021
- When it first emerged in 1941, Luftwaffe officials were astounded by the superior combat performance of a brand-new aircraft introduced by the Brits, the de Havilland DH.98 Mosquito.
This light and blazingly fast bomber, constructed mostly of wood, was often able to break through German defenses effortlessly to strike its targets.
Of the British plane, Hermann Göring famously said [QUOTE] “It makes me furious when I see the Mosquito. I turn green and yellow with envy. The British, who can afford aluminum better than we can, knock together a beautiful wooden aircraft that every piano factory over there is building and they give it a speed which they have now increased yet again. What do you make of that?”
The Luftwaffe so badly wanted an aircraft with similar potency that they would build their own, even giving it the same name. The new Focke-Wulf Ta 154 would be called the “Moskito”... spelled M-O-S-K-I-T-O.
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Cpt. Eric Brown said that the Sea Hornet (beefed-up Mosquito) and the F-86 Sabre were the greatest aircraft he had ever flown. He said the Sea Hornet even had more than enough power flying on one engine alone. Beautiful aircraft - Regards from Germany!
As with football, overall I think you are well up on us for great designs & innovation! Hopefully one day we can both work as a massively powerful & capable team.
THEE test Pilot, nobody would contradict
The Hornet was a scaled down fighter version off the Mosquito which was a poor fighter due to its low roll rate and its wing loading. The Mosquito bomber did however have a greater payload then a B-17.
Sadly for the Hornet it came just in time to be supplanted by the jet; such as the DH Vampire, also wood and metal construction.
@@MrDaiseymay Chuck Yeager would.
A good many twin-engine planes can happily fly on one engine only...
The luftwaffe was never ready for a long 2 or 3 front war. The best description I ever heard of it was, “it was like a too small blanket on a cold nite. Constantly being pulled way one and then another to cover different parts of a cold sleeper. Eventually it was pulled apart “.
@Black Knight
Yup. And too late by then.
@Black Knight Hitler was hoping Britain would be an Ally and the only reason he went up against Russia was the fact, Stalin wanted a big piece of his cake.
@@ryanfreebody6881 When is your historical study disproving the several other known reasons for it being published?
@@LosBerkos what are you on about?
@@ryanfreebody6881 shouldnt have tried to bomb them if that were the case.
and no, hitler wanted Britain to surrender, or make peace, he didn't want them as an ally, but in any case Britain would have never given up either way.
Imitation being the most sincere form of flattery
So the Chinese say...
@@Pedrombsantos the soviets said it too. A good joke was "A moskovite and American salesman were traveling in the same train sitting across from eachother. When the American opened his case and the soviet saw a transistor portable radio he said "You know we can make those twice as fast and 5 times cheaper. Uh... what is it?"
@@dragonsword7370 Another old saying - The Americans invent a product on Tuesday, then the Soviets say they invented that product on the Monday the day before, and the Japanese have the market flooded with the same item on f\Wednesday the day after.
@Jay Jay Mosquito was a "Jack of all trades", and "A master of all". It could handle any role that was given to it. The original intent was an unarmed fast bomber as requested by the BAM. it went thru several design changes as the work progressed. However its ability as a reconnaissance aircraft and fighter was not over looked. It entered service as a light bomber and the other variants came after. As for the bF110 Zerstorer they were mauled by the RAF when they were used as escorts to the bomber formations. Their lack of maneuverability was their weak point. They were relegated to night fighter duties and were very successful in that role.
@Jay Jay During the Battle of Britain, 110's were shot down like turkeys. But you keep believing in your distorted view of aviation history, if it makes you feel better..........
The mosquito a plane ahead of its time built using yesterday’s material but it flew like the carbon fiber stealth plane of tomorrow.... Wood being the carbon fiber
underrated comment t
Horten flying wing bomber. Wood aircraft. Hawker hurricane.
😂😂
Wood planes aren’t stealth.
@@elliotsmith102 in 1940s they were when they had a small radar cross section.
The genius of Captain Sir Geoffrey de Havilland, OM, CBE, AFC, RDI, FRAeS was, so many brilliant aircraft and the Mozzie,
His Mosquito has been considered the most versatile warplane ever built, and his Comet was the first jet airliner to go into production.
RIP Sir.
Shame about the square windows on the Comet
Not forgetting the Tetse with a 6lber cannon, which when fired sent the aircraft backwards in the air but was a testament to as Goring said British piano makers skill
The DH Mosquito was a private venture by de Havilland initially and was a wonder to use underutilized resources
And how about his cousins, Olivia de Haviland and Joan Fontaine? Not too shabby a family line, there.
The higher-ups in Germany NEVER forgot DeHavilland and his Mosquito impact in WW2. 2 DH Comets (the pioneers of jet civilian travel) were blown up within months of each other, both times taking off from Rome airport 1953. The subsequent cover-up story of crack / fatigue in corner window(s) was just that - a skillfull psyop operation by the German black intel Deutsche Verteidigungs Dienst - DVD. Orders for the Comet dried up overnight.
Thus a promising post-war aircraft manufacturing market share was denied to UK.
DVD enforced the German will on other EU member-states since then.
Pity that my father passed away 9 years ago as he was a slave worker at Posen-Kreising (Poznań-Krzesiny today) Focke-Wulf Werke airstrip (today used by Polish F-16s) and he knew a lot about FW constructions constructed/tried there (incl. the construction above). My father told me that one thing amazed him - Kurt Tank pretty often piloted by himself his own constructions. Focke-Wulf had two factories in Poznań (Posen-Kreising and Posen-Stadtmitte, before and after the war the place of the International Fairs of Poznań). My father often told me how the airplanes were constructed (some parts came from Sorau, today Żary, Cottbus and some other places. I do not remember it well, put simply, I do not considered this part of my father's life particularly interesting. Shame on me.
Thank you for sharing his story.
Takes a big man to publicly express regret and admit past mistakes. Who among us has nothing they would go back and do differently if given the chance? I salute you, sir, and I’m grateful for your father’s service and sacrifice. I also thank you for your informative comment.
This makes me so happy. The Mosquito was desingned and built not far from my birthplace. I saw a flying example many times when I was a kid. It looked and sounded amazing.
A pair of counter rotating merlin mark 2 engines have a sound unto themselves. Awesome plane.
@@dragonsword7370 the mosquitos engines were not Handed. They rotated the same way
My mother worked at Hatfield assembling Mosquito's, after being given a full training in woodwork, which included her making a dovetailed tool box, which I still remember very well, as even as a kid I was impressed.
Not a single one survives today
My Uncle worked on Mozzies at Hatfield, as a Kid I wondered why His shed was an Aluminium / plywood laminate construction ??
"Mom, I want a Mosquito!"
"We have a Mosquito at home."
>the Mosquito at home
Had the better guns
@@randomuser5443 true XD
looking forward to building the Revell kit, but the aft cockpit needs help.
"Moskito" at home!
You mean ">the Moskito at home"
In fact, it was actually the other way around. In 1936, the RLM launched a tender that ultimately led to the production of the Bf-110. During the competition for the order, Focke-Wulf also submitted a draft. This aircraft, the excellent performance of which was not recognized by Göring. The aircraft went down in the tragic history of the missed opportunities of the German Luftwaffe under the designation Fw-187 "Falke". The first flight of this machine took place in April 1937. The performance was exceptional because it was not only faster than a Bf-109 of the model edition at the time, but could also hold its own against it in cornering combat dog fight. And that with engines that only produced 730 hp. Later, the same engines as the Bf-109 E variants (1050 hp), speeds of 635 km / h were achieved. With, of course, constant maneuverability. The few machines built were used "unofficially" by the Luftwaffe stationed in Norway. The Falcons were soon so popular that the disturbed morphinist Göring, furious, ordered them back from the front line in which they had been since the winter of 1940/41. Much earlier than the mosquito. This plane already had the potential to deal with the mosquito. It just couldn't be used. Therefore, it was actually completely superfluous to develop the Ta-154 based on it. It would be interesting to know how fast this machine would have been if it had been able to use the 1350 HP engines of the Bf-109 F series. Oh, and before I forget ... From spring '44 the Do-335 could have been in service at the front if it hadn't been tested with endless series of tests. And since there was also a night fighter version of this type, the path of the mosquito would have ended very quickly ...
A somewhat over optimistic assessment Melchior, but certainly Goering and Willi Messerschmidt were in each others pockets. If de Haviland had not had a similar problem with the British Air Ministry, the Mosquito would have been available much earlier too, and without some of the mods forced upon DH to even get it seen.
@@petegarnett7731 There is nothin' over optimistic. Be aware of, that in 1944, heavy bombed Germany produced at last more planes than the UK. It is repeatedly underestimated how efficient the German armaments industry was under the most difficult circumstances. It was always just a question of setting the right course. And it just didn't happen! Perhaps one could annul the results of the war. Hitler and Goering, after all, both drug addicts, were doped and therefore disqualified...
the Germans had so many brilliant fantastic unbeatable aircraft....it's such a shame they had to wake up and use what the actually had the skills to build...
My favorite WW2 planes: The Mosquito, The Spitfire, The B29 superfortress and the ME 262. Of course I had built every one of them out of plastic kits. That was back in the seventies.
Similar to my list but I would add the FW190 to the list along with the La7
I’d say my list would be the P-47, Corsair, Mosquito, Dauntless, and the Avenger
The British utilised a whole industry of highly skilled cabinet makers and furniture production facilities full of craftsmen who knew the advantages / tolerances of wood to build the Mossie - another example of necessity being the mother of invention .
Because it had a wooden fuselage it's radar footprint was very small, this meant it would often only be detected when very close and too late to intercept. It was made of wood because the designers were not allowed to use precious aluminum and simply tried a wooden design which behaved much better than they thought. Britain had no shortage of carpenters and furniture makers as well as many ex-piano workers where piano making in the uK declined in the 20's and 30's.
One of the most beautiful aircraft designs of WW2
The Mosquito, so speedy it's almost as fast as you talk!
So Ewok (non attack) Womble on speed bet even thinks he sounds Kool with a "K"..Bless it's paws
*laughs in 2x speed*
I had to reduce it to 75%, much better.
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The Germans were renowned for their engineering skill and even they couldn't replicate the Mosquito. Just goes to show how good a plane it was
The Mosquito and the P-47 Thunderbolt, my two favorite WW2 aircraft. Mozzy was a precision instrument that had finesse, meanwhile the Thunderbolt was just a pure hard hitting hammer. Imagine a formation of Mosquitoes and Thunderbolts flying at you?! Might as well just bailout now or hit the deck and run.
Expecially if was the version with 57mm gun!
Thunderbolts of lightening very frightening ....ah mosquito ah mosquito
@@MarcStjames-rq1dm 🎤🎼😎
Underrated comment.
K-series and D,Ta-series : Breakfast is coming ! :-)
The Thunderbolt owed a lot of it's aviation technology to the Italian Reggiani company who made some extremely well made and aerodynamically advanced propellor aircraft . When it arrived in Europe the Thunderbolts performance was marred by a derisory rate of climb some of this lack of performance was caused by poor carburation this problem experienced by it's pilots in combat over Europe caused the many casualties.
This weakness was not rectified until front line Thunderbolt squadrons finally got paddleblade propellors recalibrated ...Lindenburg modified carburettors and 150 octane fuel to drive them with in 1944... Charles Lindenberg and his team of highly trained engine technicians sorted out the poor carburation of the Thunderbolts operating against the Japanese in the Pacific and this knowledge was passed onto the Thunderbolt units in Europe.
Also superior English sparking plugs from the K.L.G. company prevented the big radial engines from fouling their sparking plugs over Europe which reduced the casualty rate suffered by the American fighter squadrons significantly as it did for the Mustangs and the Lockheeds ...etc ... etc .... etc whathaveyou...
Luftwaffe: Can we have a Mosquito?
Focke-Wulf: We have Moskito at home.
😁
Mosquito at home:
B17 DONT DO IT IM VIRGINIA TA154 YES
"Mutter, ich will eine Mosquito!"
"Wir haben eine Mosquito zu Hause."
>die Moskito zu Hause
Goering said to his ace pilot: " What do you want?" The reply: "Spitfires!"
Mosquito and the Hornet were my favorite British planes of that time
Hornet?
@@captain61games49 The hornet was basically the ultimate version of the Mosquito
@@ryantownsley1388 I thought I've heard of just about all ww2 aircraft especially allied planes.
Now I have to google google.
Thanks for sharing
@@captain61games49 Find the Hornet's Wiki page. Phenomenal.
Right before this came on there was a commercial for mosquito repellant.
Many Mossies or Mosquitos were built in Canada at the de Haviland factory in Montreal Quebec using high quality Canadian wood. They were either flown to Britain or disassembled and put aboard ships.
Thanks I did not know that. But wondered where was the source for the wood
@@JTA1961 West coast....a mixture of American and Canadian production
Actually, De Havilland Canada has ALWAYS been in the Toronto area, first at De Lessops field. The company then moved tot Downsview in 1929, including all Mossie production. You are thinking of the old Vickers plant in the Montreal area, later to be renamed Canadair, which produced Consolidated PBY Cansos under licence as both DHC and Canadair were later bought by Bombardier based out of Quebec.
@@john-hughboyd233 You're right. I stand corrected. Thanks
@@WierdSpookyDude I used to fly out of Downsview. As well, I have more than a few friends that are/used to work at DHC, including a neighbour from childhood who worked on the Mossies!
Fascinating - thanks. I'd never heard of the German Moskito.
Imitation is the greatest form of flattery. IMHO the Mossie was the best plane of WW2, and the most overlooked. Excellent video, thanks.
"In the end the British Mosquito and the German Moskito would never meet each other"
German Moskito: "WHEW! that was close!"
The Kraut wagon fell to bits quicker than it flew, they never ever sorted out the glue that the British had to hold the wooden wonder together.
I love the pace at which this guy talks it's perfect.
Many times I have to speed it up when I'm listening to a documentary.
Keep up the excellent work
Love the Mosquito dude! Cheers for another upload
I bought this aircraft on Warthunder and thoroughly enjoy playing it. It's nice to have a channel that goes into the interesting history of these machines. Keep up the good documentary work, I tune in every new video.
The war thunder mosquito doesn't fly as well as the real mosquito did
The Americans rejected the Mosquito - they might of had a point with the de-lamination in hot climates but it was mainly rejected because it was made of wood - seen as 'old fashioned'. Shame - they missed out on one of the most cost effective and fastest fighters of the war - nothing wrong with wood.
Nope...the USAAF had multiple Mossies. Largely the Canadian built versions, primarily in the high speed, high altitude photo recon role.
Nothing wrong with wood airplanes but c’mon.... who wouldn’t take a P-38 instead? Not that the Mosquito wasn’t a great warplane but the Lightning...... just look at it and tell me you be drawn to it.
@@andrewrice4513 - I stand corrected and happily so :) always a pleasure to learn - the aircraft documentaries need an update!
The Mosquito was rejected in part because it was fiendishly difficult to produce, gobbling up massive amounts of strategic resources.
You couldn't just bang it out of whatever 2x4s you had laying around, it required specific woods from around the world, consuming large amounts of shipping capacity. Combined with skilled craftsmen and exotic new adhesives. Then you had the precious Merlin engines.
Anything that could be built of readily available lumber didn't have the performance needed. Anything that had the performance needed couldn't be built of readily available lumber. See the bell XP-77 for an example of an airplane that COULD be built out of readily available lumber. It didn't have the performance needed.
@@Crosshair84 my understanding is that at the time the Mosquito was proposed the manufacturer in question had all of the required skills to work with wood, but hadn't yet geared up to build metal planes.
I think that in general we kind of forget that there was this awkward period when aircraft engineers hadn't yet learned how to build high performance metal aircraft, but fully understood the future benefits of using metal.
As such, when you need a warplane *now* and your engineers, skilled laborers, and tooling are all set up to build wooden aircraft... you build planes out of wood.
Very well assembled content, as always.
Thank you!
As the RAF continued building aircraft from wood, or wooden parts on many aircraft, would you include a video on the various jets that had wooden sections? I know this because my dad was a joiner in the RAF, something he was proud of, who wouldn't be? He also said once he couldn't take the final exams for becoming a cabinet maker then, due to RAF fighters and bombers not having wardrobes.
It is the The de Havilland _Vampire_ and _Venom_ to which you are referring. Cool aircraft in their own right.
What about the bomb bay? That’s just a wardrobe facing the ground.
@@markfryer9880
Not just any wardrobe, there are standards to maintain, war or no...
A Georgian-style two door pitch line framed wardobe with walnut veneer, cute gold fretwork, custom brass hinges and handcarved scroll legs..
...and because the Bosche were frightful losers, tempered glass mirrors to avoid unnecessary cuts to people.
Lmao and so true
Like your Father and many others, myself included, we have hundreds of hours of field experience, that has no classroom to be attended, but we got the Job done and done right! But academia would not have any part of it! Unless they got Money out of it! Before they gave us a sheet of paper with their name on it...
It turns out that in 20 years of my military experience that they (academia) would award me with 104 credit hours towards a Degree in Business Management, with a concentration in Leadership, (made it to E-7) but due to the fact that paying for the 13 more Credits were out of my ability at the time. The Army has this ACES program (Army Continuing Educational Service) and back in 2006 they had listed me as having 236 credits worth of College training... I imagine that your Father like mine had a skill set that some people would be shocked to learn about... but you have to ask specific questions to get your answers... and Academia only evaluates in their own way out of textbooks. A very flawed paradigm of that is our education systems today... a bit more expensive every year is turning out dumber students and no visionary look of the future like it was in our Father’s Times... sad but true...
The footage of the Wellington bombers was nice to see.
One of my dad's mates was a tail gunner in a Wellington ,survived 37 missions and took down 8 BF 109s.
He was an amazing bloke and a crazy good fishermen at 86!
Brilliant aircraft which just like the Short Stirling never got the development they deserved, had the big Sterlings been given the large wings of the Lancaster the Sterling would have been the heaviest bomber of the allies in WW2 with ease. Politics and the old school tie at work again.
Nice work-- most are completely unaware of the V3, or that it had so many developmental problems. The delamination problem also affected some RAF Mosquitos delivered to the Asian theater-- apparently the result of high, sustained humidity.
The Germans could never have come even close to the English Mosquito! The Rolls Royce engine alone was a masterpiece in of itself!
Most of the aircraft that Germany produced during the second war were designed to support ground units fought on land. The stuka is a primary example of that comeback design. Hitler's capricious , micromanaging mindset kept any of the new technologies from being deployed in numbers enough to have any significant effect on the outcome of the war.
I like these stories , keep going dude 👌👍
I’m in awe of a flight of these, when 10 Merlin engines are together in the air.
To imagine that British Bombers took off with 1000+ planes, with those engines. It really is another era.
I was lucky enough to be based at RAF Coningsby when the Canadian Lancaster visited. To see 2 Lancs, 2 Hurricanes and 3 Spitfires flying in formation was a sight to behold and hear.
@@Falcon-15 very lucky man to see that
@@Baza1964 most definitely. You never get use to BBMF flying around. The Typhoons just became back ground noise after a while, albeit very noisy noise. But BBMF is special. Add that second lanc for a month and it was incredible.
Hats off to the Brits on this one...a real beauty!
Great vid, and really well constructed narration, amazing music too actually
Was just watching your model 299 video when this dropped
Its funny how i think the mosquito is unique because its made of wood, but a lot of planes were like that
Not really quite a few planes were made out of metal, aluminum etc
I feel you but none were as legendary I think. Damn Limeys knocked it out of the park with the Mosquito lol.
Like most of the Soviet Air Force
The Nazis just had to go one up with a 30mm cannon. In a light and fast wooden plane it didn't work.
@@MrMagicalManatee the LaGG fighters and some of their bombers were wood based right?
The german Moskito is my favorite twin engine prop plane, thanks for the vid on it!
She looks right, a lovely aircraft, amazing what we can do in a time of conflict.
Another Great Video!
They never realized that the celulose used for the lightweight but sturdy frame wes made from seaweed!!
Good kelp is hard to find... 😈
@@JTA1961 🎼🎤😂😎
Kelp and fish, was used as glues by the Vikings.
@@JTA1961 Penelope Pitstop's facecream: "Keyulp!"
One of interesting features in de Havilland Mosquito is it included Balsa wood parts, also the straight leading edge with a receding trailing edge. Gesund +
Nice to see video snippets of the Canadian Mosquito prototype KB300.
Plywood is underrated, plus anything the Soviets got was a Minus
I always think 'wood' is just nature's version of carbon fibre !
@@mrb.5610 flammable carbon fibre
@@Abi-fo7gh Carbon fibre burns just dandy as well - as demonstrated by Richard Hammond !
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The Soviets were making some very effective fighter planes whose airframes were made out of a primitive form of fire resistant plastic.... it was slightly heavier than it's sister model made of aluminium...
Finally a video on the ta 154, that my favorite ww2 plane
classic german mainer
@@Betto_333 lmao true ... like it too though
Can it really be that the Germans were stumped here due a lack of carpenters or by the inability to find a decent wood glue? Astonishing! I'm also surprised by the fact that British piano manufacturers (of all things) were able to turn their hands to building such a useful war asset.
Well done! Great docu!
Flame dampers were to not mess up the pilots night vision and reduce visibility to other aircraft or defenders. They weren't mufflers (for sound)
True, but they do also slightly reduce the engine's roar.
Over here in the Netherlands we have at least one T-6 Trojan(Harvard) flying around which had these dampers for that exact reason...
Hardly a "clone"! The only similarity between the two was their mainly wooden construction and v type in-line engines (although, as usual, the German engines were inverted v's) . The Mosquito was initially created to be a bomber whereas the "Moskito" was designed to be a fighter from the start.
lol facts and proper research are thin on this channel
"Knock off" would have been better than "clone" 😁
Or "Jerry built" gnat 🙄
Right, because both being twin-engined, wooden and named 'Mosquito/Moskito' was pure coincidence.
The Mozzie was also the first twin engine aircraft to land on an Aircraft carrier, piloted by Capt. Winkle Brown the legendary Scot RN Test Pilot who still holds the record for the most aircraft types flown - over 400. Scots Wahae!
It would de nice to see a statue of him in his birthplace of Leith.
The Moskito relied on a hot glue called Tegofilm, but the RAF (inadvertently) obliterated the factory that made it, it was the substitute furniture glue that caused the delamination problems.
The British raided and destroyed the factory and the glue factory...reducing it to ashes.....truly anti-competitive behaviour! :)
The British "Mozzi" - *"Cometh the hour, comet the plane!"*
We recently had a Mosquito restored here in NZ... thanks down under 👍✈️🇳🇿
Interesting!
Another historical plane I had not heard of. Although the de Havilland was a much lovelier, and obviously more effective, plane.
Oddly, the TA 154's engines look like the front third of FW-190 was cut off and bolted to the underside of the Moskito's wings.
Great video, thanks! 🤓
Long story short
Germany don’t know shit about reverse engineering
Reverse engineering is actually really difficult
They didn't have to!
@@kyle857 what about today's reverse engineering?
German Miskito was actually a better design that only failed due to production shortcomings
Seem it in War thunder, never knew it had such a story!
war thunder version is an abomination compared to the real thing WT flight model handles like a bus. And gets caught by everything the JU88 is a space ship in comparison. According to WT.
Back in the day, it used to be one of the best planes in the game. Way back when machine guns were useless, this things 30mm cannons would delete anything in an instant.
Excellent video. Very interesting.
There is a British version sitting in West Virginia (USA) without the engines just rotting away! It’s been there for at least 15 years and I don’t know how long it was there before I saw it. No one really knows the story of how it ended up there but they said some old fella owned it. I looked it over really good and at one time had lots of photos. From 20 feet back it looked great but upon further inspection up close it is way beyond repair! It is one unusual airplane for sure!
When the Luftwaffe lost the Battle of BRITAIN it was doomed from then onwards they lost alot of trained airmen and it was inevitable for them
Nah british like to over play there win. The Luftwaffe after supported the attacks in the Med and North Africa and Operation Barbarossa. They had many experienced airman who fought in Britain.
I suppose the alternate spelling of "Moskito" is owed to copyright concerns?
It is how the Germans spelled it with a "K". Officially it was the TA-154 Moskito. Maybe there is no no "Q" in the German language.
@@fedupgamer9075 Was Du nicht sagst. Wer hätt's gedacht 🤔?
Yes. That's why the royal air force bombed the factories. The copyright wars are a little known incident...
@@awatt Indeed, it was horrific. Rita Hayworth Bootleg DVD everywhere. The humanity!
I can imagine a law suit was the last thing they wanted.
Used to live near Salisbury Hall, visited the Mosquito museum many times.
MUCH LOVE 4 TEH MOZZIE!
Copy is a more appropriate choice of word than clone.. It simply didn't match up to the original it was supposed to have 'cloned'.
A clone is more a BMW Dixi.....well in a licensed way along with Mr Datsun .
It was different enough by that maybe “based on real events” is an appropriate description.
The Ta 154 was NOT meant to be a 'copy' or a 'clone' of the Dh Mosquito.
The FW concern was encouraged to use wood for their design due to the large numbers of woodworkers in Germany at the time, along with the beginning to worsen availability of alloy of future use.
Actually the Mossie could carry 4000 pounds of bombs, about half of a B-17 load. Brits know wood and fabric, oh yes.
highly refined technique at a time when a couple of decades of wooden plane construction produced masters in the field.
if we can cross an ocean with wood? if it can be engineered to survive the sea?
It can handle some wind and rain :D
It could carry a single 4,000 pound bomb. If 500 pound bombs were what you wanted to drop, it could only carry four of those, 2,000 pounds.
If you are trying to destroy a factory using 1940s era bomb sights, the 500 pound bombs are going to be what you want most of the time.
just couldnt fly very far. Or have any guns.
@@2lotusman851 Oh yea, and only 100 or so Mossie's ever had the bulged doors that could carry the 4,000 pound bombs anyway.
Bear in mind a B-17's load for longer missions, such as Berlin, was typically 4000lb.
The Ta 154 Moskito was the German answer to the British Mosquito as both was made of wood but the Ta 154 was conceived from the beginning as a night fighter and didn't had the bomb load capability as it's nemesis. Although quite a capable aircraft it had a share of ugly issues: first of all it was a very dangerous aircraft to do emergency landings because of it's shoulder mounted wings assembly with the engines, in case of crash landing it broke off on the cabin nearly always killing the crew, weak landing gears and couldn't handle the heavy recoil of the two nose-mounted MK 108 cannons. All in all an interesting airplane that that it was good for the pilots that it wasn't produced...
Thanks for sharing this very interesting footage as I never seen it before 👍👍
The crashlanding capability of the Ta 154 wasn't as bad as you assume, because the fuselage and engines enabled the machine to skid along on it's belly.
The landing gear was more robust than you claim.
The recoil of the cannon DID blow off the panels, but that was due to inadequete design of the panels.
In all, ALL the pilots who flew the Ta 154 loved it, and wanted it for their respective Gruppen
@@cathsymons5841 in truth it was not my assumption but it came from two different authors that emphatically stated how dangerous was the shoulder mounted wings, all wooden glued together, that did broke off crashing in the cabin when crash landing. Unfortunately I read years ago those two books and I don't remember what books they were, furthermore I'm not at home. My opinion is that the big engines and propellers blades acted as anchors braking up the structure. Regarding the landing gears could be, as you stated, more robust than I think but also this, according to the authors, was weak as well. I do remember that the pilots who flew this airplane loved it because of it's very good flying characteristics but never fast as the formidabile Mosquito...
Great job
Every time you mention "Die Luftwaffe", you should insert a clip of the late Bruno Ganz rating about Göring from "Downfall".
That would be hilarious.
True 😁
Shouldn't it be Der Fuftwaffe?
@@Lidds1973 Das Wurstfaffe, I believe.
I wonder if the Germans ever thought about putting a field gun in the nose of theirs? :-D
Mosquito Tsetse, my favourite "I wonder if we could..." aircraft!
Tetse fired solid round of tungsten from the auto cannon. Designed to penetrate U boathulls. There is a Vic on U tube with real stories from actual Terse pilots ,
@@Baza1964 thanks, knows it well.
I love the story of the pilot that fired the cannon at a plane and removed an entire engine with one shot!
@@juststeve5542 I know , the Ju88 that came out to " protect" the u boat that he had already put a round into. War is terrible but such a cool pilot , I got the impression he had a good war flying those machines.
@Harli Baron yes , the gun camera film from the stuka on the Russian front with the two big cannons. Deadly accurate. Amazing footage.
Excellent!
Some facts lost in the discussions:
1. All metal construction was a recent development. Wood was traditional. The moulded laminate construction was revolutionary. The DH98 proposal was not initially well received. A big selling point was non-strategic wood construction. A flying prototype changed the Air Ministry's mind.
Wood has a natural rip-stop property. Many DH 98s came home with damage that would have destroyed a metal airframe.
2. The DH98 construction method was preceded by two earlier aircraft both named "Comet". One a twin engine racer. The other a four engine transport.
3. The laminate construction was critical to the DH 98s strength. Although birch plywood and end grained balsa were used, resin adhesives had not yet been developed. Everything was bonded with Casinite. A milk protein derived glue from casin in milk. This worked well in Europe but tended to degrade and delaminate in the tropics of the Pacific theatre of war. Preservation and mitigation efforts were successful late in the war.
My uncle (navigator) and his pilot brought one of the photo recon planes back to Hatfield from SE Asia so that the factory could look at how it was standing up to tropical conditions, they were met by Geofrey de Havilland Jr who promptly took them to the Comet pub for lunch.
Don't tell Poles they are in Eastern Europe unless you want a head injury.
I wouldn't call them "poles" either - just to be on the safe side.
They got screwed royally from both sides... its a wonder they're not all bipolar
@@JTA1961 ..... have you had a look at their politics ... and their foreign affairs?
2:17 if you look to the right you can see a Polish Airforce roundel. The bomber shown with the Polish Airforce roundel was most likely used by a Polish RAF squadron. From what i can tell, looking at the landing gear placement and the wing, its probably a Spitfire.
That is no doubt the Polish Air Force insignia. It is still being used by the PAF. Good spotting!
Thanks!
You should do the Fw-190 series next. Very iconic and loved plane
K series high altitude
No rivets and radiators on wing leading edge reducing frontal area. The basic principles were used on the hotter Hornet long range fighter.
One of the most brilliant aircraft in history was made largely of First World War technology. Absolutely stunning.
U think the rr merlin 21 existed in ww1?
@@green303yup3 Does the meaning of the word "LARGELY" in this context escape you?
@@crispycritterz there is a big difference between the words "technology" and "material"
@@green303yup3 Really? How so? Materials in this case is encompassing the technology. Wood and fabric made up the plane. New methods of lamination and polymers were major parts of the advancement. Still it was the same wood and cloth used in WW1 planes but to much better affect.
@@crispycritterz You just said it yourself: "New methods of lamination and polymers were major parts of the advancement." That is NEW technology. The roman empire had the materials RAF used, but they didn't have the technology, neither did they in ww1.
Anyone who could walk was picked up and sent to the Eastern Front , (Papers Please) regardless of what their paperwork said , the engineering officers at all of the German aircraft factories did not know how many of their talented workers were able to show up to work . Aircraft Workers would pop up in Stalingrad, Kursk and the like that did not mean that they would go back to the factory . Many workers got back to their factories because they were injured and sent to a Hospital in Germany to recover and then their family finds them ! The family knows that if their son gets sent back to the eastern front that they would be killed so they very quickly tell the engineers at that factory where their worker is and they come and get him ! If they got the worker back they often had to hide him or get him picked up and sent back to the Eastern Front . Being a professional wood worker did not have the same value in the UK as in Germany even though wood workers were just as talented . Glue secrets is an entire story in itself as is the birth of stealth bombers etc ! Let it be known though that the Germans had encreadablle, piano makers, organ makers and wood workers in general that could have competed with the Brits with gusto . It was a story that never happened and let’s hope the wood workers of today are not asked to make wings of death ever again !
always cool learning about WW2 aircraft after playing BF5
Last time i was this early,the century series jets were the hot new stuff
Goering had wood envy.
Secretly a knotsi...
A magnificent plane.
De Havilland Mosquito, the best plane never to make those silly 'top 10 planes of WW2' lists
I must admit I like the looks of the German version much better.
Bet the RAF wasn't calling the Mosquito Freeman's Folly by the end of WW2
At the end of the war it was known as the wooden wonder.
@@haroldhadradi8763 absolutely it was. In the infancy of the project though it was referred to as Freeman' s Folly by many of the brass in the RAF because Wilfred Freeman was the only top brass that approved of the project.
judging by the film evidence, the moskito would have been roundly trounced by the mosquito's superior handling
Germans: Schnellbomber.
British: Let us show you how.
last time I was this early the doctors were worried for my health
The PT Boats were also made of wood laminates.
Especially German versions.
The nation known for wonder weapons couldn't make a wooden airplane. The British mosquito was the englush longbow of the 20th century..
Probably made of the same wood laminates!
Good one.
Ur the MAN.
Germans copied a lot of things and often improved. Went both ways. In this case the allies were on to it and bombed the plant that made the glue. Fun plane to fly in war thunder
Bet it burned nicely
My namesake great uncle flew these as pathfinders. Laying flares for the bombers following up behind. Painted all-black. Awarded the DFC as I understand. First in, with no weaponry.....
ta 154, nice
The historical background is a bit off. The Luftwaffe did not design its capability against short-term conflicts, nor just against weaker opponents. What it did procure was a force largely focussed on tactical support of front-line troops, ie light and medium bombers. The arguments for and against heavy strategic bombers continued in the background, as you have mentioned in previous videos. Further, the Luftwaffe was quite ready to engage in combat with France and Britain, as the record shows. That they tried to avoid bringing Britain into the war by diplomatic means is a different issue. Next, the RAF never targeted 'civilian populations in cities of no operational value'. This is a gross misrepresentation! Churchill certainly stated that demoralisation of the civilian population was a secondary aim of Bomber Command but that was actually an acknowledgement of the gross inaccuracy of bombing, highlighted in the Butt Report in August 1941; bombs were landing literally miles from the intended impact points. Nevertheless, the cities attacked were all chosen for their industrial or communications value, not solely to kill civilians. Indeed, the British Government was well aware that German attacks on UK cities were if anything stiffening resolve.
Now the Mosquito. Mossies only comprised about a sixth of the total RAF bomber force. Although they took part in strategic raids this was largely in small numbers as precision target markers or as decoy attacks to divert attention away from the main bomber stream. Of course they could carry the same payload to Berlin as a B-17 and stand a much better chance of survival due to their superior performance. But during the bombing of Cologne the defenses were never 'overwhelmed by the sheer power and speed of the Mosquito'. In fact no Mosquitos at all took part in Op Millennium as you suggest. The usual number of Mossies taking part in later raids was about 6, with a maximum of 28 in March 44. It would be more accurate to say that the defences had trouble seeing them and then the night fighters couldn't catch them. Of course this wasn't always the case and the loss of a Pathfinder (ie target marking) Mosquito of 627 Sqn on 19 Sep 44, likely from flak around Bremen, resulted in the death of Wg Cdr Guy Gibson VC who had a year earlier led the famous Dambusters raid.
The German night fighter wing did not include Stukas or Spitfires (!!!) as your video clips suggest.
The Ta 154 was still called the Ta 154, even after being named Moskito, just as an Eagle is still an F-15.
Flame dampers do not reduce engine noise, but they are essential to preserve pilots' night vision and to make the aircraft more stealthy to its prey.
The Moskito was not underpowered because it wasn't carrying radar or weapons. What you mean is "the Moskito was underpowered, despite not yet carrying radar or weapons". However, it might be worth adding that despite the weaker engines, even with the radar installed V3 was still faster than the He219, and the drag of the extensive dipole antennae of the radar knocked about 50 mph off the clean top speed. So actually a clean 154 was a pretty hot ship, managing 440 mph at altitude in trials, even with just the Jumo 211s.
'...the cannons could not support the recoil of a larger calibre gun'? Surely it was the airframe that couldn't support the recoil?
You talk about the structural problems the Germans had, especially once their supply of resin was destroyed. The RAF had similar problems with the Mosquito when it was deployed to the Far East. Operations in high temperature and humidity eventually caused weakening of the glue and de-lamination of the plywood structure, a problem not really resolved until introduction of the Hornet. The Mosquito of course didn't come from nowhere; the same plywood, stressed skin construction had been used on the DH88 Comet and the DH91 Albatross airliner in the 1930s so when Geoffrey de Havilland found he wouldn't be allowed aluminium to build a light bomber he already had several years practical experience in the alternative. But neither of these predecessors had had to fly in the Jungles of Burma!
The accepted final number of Ta 154s to see service is around 60, including some of the 15 prototypes later modified to production standard. Six further aircraft were completed as you say to 154 Ausfuhrung-2/U3 standard to act as flying bombs to be triggered among USAF daylight bomber formations (not RAF), but these never saw service.
So compared to the 7000 or so Mosquitos built and used in a wide variety of roles the Ta 154 was a side note, used only as a night fighter and never making an operational impact. Nevertheless it's an interesting story so thank you for airing it. Just please do a bit more prep.
I concour with everything said here.
So many people quote the wrong things, all because 1 person said it, who was mis-informed themselves....
Better research would work....
Luckily the Luftwaffe didn't have the glue skills of the Flitetest boys.
The Brits had bombed their best glue factory
Hitler was busy eating it all
You know, that guy Hitler, he was a real Jerk!
I wonder what the MosQUito's forward aspect radar signature was, and if that was in part responsible for it's ability to penetrate Axis defences? Sure it was all wood, but there were big radiators in the wing roots and of course, a couple of stonking great Merlins and prop discs (and eventually guns in the nose).
As for the MosKito, it's amazing that it was hard to reverse engineer from a "lower-tech original". Even more surprising that they persisted for so long when the Me 262 sidelined for so long as a bomber. When I served, there was a phrase, "Anyone can make a cock-up, the (insert organisation name) organises them". Never more true than for Herman Goring Enterprises...
Mind boggling that “glue” could be a strategic imperative in war.
I've read that one of the problems with the glue was that the concentration camp inmates used for labor would urinate in it.
@@hamletksquid2702 - I’d love that story to be true. Some of these resin based glues are based on urea, which is a component of urine, so that might be where the story comes from?
@@SAHBfan - I can't even tell you where I saw that. It's one of those stories that may be apocryphal but you run into now and then. Concentration camp inmates certainly did engage in sabotage when they could. There was a show a few years ago where they were restoring a Panther tank that was recovered from a river and found several things that had been deliberately sabotaged, such as holes drilled between the oil and water passages in the engine and the brakes improperly assembled so they'd have only a fraction of their stopping power. Some of these people fought back as much as they could, and they're heroes even if no one ever knew what they'd done.
People say that Apple guards their IP excessively. At least they don't bomb your factories and the facilities of your suppliers...
@@LordElpme Bombing the facilities producing such strategic materials was sensible: there was a war on.