The Revolution Will Not Be Uploaded
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CHAPTERS
PART ONE
0:00:00 prologue.
3:34 introduction.
9:48 methodology.
PART TWO
13:01 OBSERVATIONS
14:05 Leftist unity
15:39 Online vs. Real Politics
17:30 Real-world impact of online left
20:24 Defining the online left
26:42 Leftist inflighting
29:30 Anti-Capitalism through capitalism
33:10 Influencers, educators, entertainers?
36:25 Profilicity - new modes of identity
43:59 FEELINGS
45:00 Inflated egos
46:50 Rejuvenating leftism
50:10 Optics, Paranoia & Isolation
52:00 Audience capture & Alienation
54:29 Pessimism
59:40 Lack of direction in the space
1:02:05 Scarcity and Seriality
1:04:30 Low content quality
1:08:52 Lack of diversity/inclusivity
1:11:16 NEEDS
1:12:16 Prefigurativism and Pragmatism
1:14:30 Demonstrating revolutionary potential
1:17:09 Instilling hope and optimism
1:18:30 Group praxis
1:21:08 Need for humility
1:22:36 Need for responsibility
1:25:07 Need for connection
1:28:13 REQUESTS
1:29:14 Dealing with Drama
1:31:55 Tit-For-Tat Strategy
1:34:07 Dealing with drama is hard!
1:35:10 Recognizing responsibility/accountability with platform
1:39:22 Direct action and aid
1:42:25 Communication & Community-building (building bridges perchance?)
PART 3
1:44:50 What does "The Revolution" even mean?
1:45:51 General Discussion (if you're short on time)
1:52:07 Conclusion
2:00:30 Epilogue
2:03:14 Credits
Interviewees
You can find those featured down below. Thank you to everyone that took part in the making of this video.
@ContraPoints
@AliceCappelle
@KidologyCO
@FDSignifire
@Andrewism
@CH4R10T_TV
@Vaush
@DemonMama
@NoahSamsen
@DylanBurnsTV
@KhadijaMbowe
@alexander_avila
@YaBoiHakim
@SecondThought
@YUGOPNIK
@carefreewandering
@progressivevictory
@MarianneWilliamsonCommunity
@RichardDWolff
Gerrit: theatrefilm.ubc.ca/profile/ge...
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Moeller, Hans-Georg & D'Ambrosio, Paul J. (2021). You and Your Profile: Identity After Authenticity. Columbia University Press.
Sartre, Jean-Paul (1978). Critique of Dialectical Reason. Studies in Soviet Thought
Buti, Lorenzo (4 October 2022) Sartre’s philosophy of praxis: www.versobooks.com/en-ca/blog...
Grim, Ryan (5 December 2023), The Squad: AOC and the Hope of a Political Revolution. Henry Holt & Company
Newton, H. P. (1973). Revolutionary s******. [1st ed.] New York, Harcourt Brace Jovanovich.
Deleuze, Gilles, 1925-1995. ( 1983). Anti-Oedipus : capitalism and schizophrenia. Minneapolis :University of Minnesota Press,
Holland, Eugene W. (1999). Deleuze and Guattari's Anti-Oedipus: Introduction to Schizoanalysis. Routledge.
Kingsmith, A.T. (August 27, 2016). An Introduction to Schizoanalysis. 3AM MAGAZINE. - Фільми й анімація
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@@ground_news Everything i have seen of GroundNews is so far right its embarassing. Y'alls overton window is way out of whack.
How is getting on the bandwagon of ""GrOuND NEwS" that everyone is riding on right now, critical thinking? I would argue that, if I apply critical thinking, it won't take much of it before I establish what the agenda behind Ground News actually is, and why it is also non reliable.
Hey man I was sitting on the toilet thinking and I wanted to know what’s ur thoughts on the myth of quality of life. I believe for me, an important aspect of the Myth of Sisyphus is that near the end one of his many conclusions, “is that because of all of this what I conclude to be important is not the best living but the most living.” Yes more problems can exist in one characters life but that has nothing to do with the character, the character has to be considered with but not attached to their environment as any conclusive judgement based of past observations on a larger category that could never agree with the vastness of the individual. This is a concept widely subverted in perspectives that may not be as inclusive and prioritize working hard to earn a life that’s ultimately although they may not admit it as apart of their intentions, a better life which in itself when looked for in the future remains metaphysical or a dream or when it is realized, all the time that had been spent to realize such a life it leaves them feeling like something is missing, the effects of misplacing values and falling for the illusions and distractions of todays world that take us away from what gives us life in such a passionless cold environment.
Free yourself. Do not return to Plato's cave to rescue the others. Once you explain their reality, they will question the integrity of the reality you are now sharing, then just as the first person says "Aah" you'll all get caught.
But this advice is for everybody, so there should be no others for you to concern yourself with.
TLDW: Go outside and make the change you believe in instead of arguing with idiots on the internet
it seems like the solution is always touch grass
thanks 2 hours i could've wasted online, now i get to waste it online somewhere else
TLDW*
I DISAGREE! FIGHT ME!!!
Wow, that sounds a lot like responsibility and accountability. So to be left-wing, you need to be more right-wing.
my boy did like 500 interviews, for like one video over the course of at least a year. as a long term viewer this is like seeing batman in a scooby doo crossover like hell yeah
Batmilk.
I literally had like a fan girl moment when I saw the Noah Samson crossover I love noahtime with all my heart
Batman and Scooby Doo did have a crossover. Scooby-Doo! & Batman: The Brave and the Bold (2018) Hell yeah!
hell yeah@@LakeGameCreepr
@LakeGameCreepr wait until this guy hears about the 1972 version
8:59 I saw this and thought "how will you contact Noam Chomsky if he's dead" then I googled it and found out he's still alive with fucking 95 years old
@@sambunuh4581 I don't particularly like him or his political thought, but that's always something sad, specially when we are lacking mainstream leftist thinkers nowadays
@@loubaxo9339 The mainstream ones are suffering from the ailment of brain rot. This is how they're mainstream
@@loubaxo9339unless you are Epsteins friend and supportive of the genocide of Palestinians like Chomsky. You decide how sad that is
@@loubaxo9339 what don't you like about him?
WHAT😭 as a Linguistics student, how did i not know this 💀💀
I appreciate the director's decision to film his commentary of online leftism from a secluded spot deep in the woods, with snow and water running in the background
With the epic leftist audio as well, just excellent all around
I got burned out on in-person organizing with leftist groups as a result of the infighting. I disagree with Contrapoints that we should just expect that sort of stuff to happen and accept it as normal. Yes, *some* amount of interpersonal conflict is inevitable. However, the quantity of it on the left is abnormal relative to non-political, functioning communities I've been part of. For example, I've met a lot of politically engaged people through an "engaged Buddhist" community near me. Largely kind, compassionate folks who are very motivated to change the world in radical ways, though they generally have a less combative approach than your average card-carrying leftist. There certainly is conflict from time to time, but they have very good practices for resolving conflict, and people often have a generous spirit to help diffuse tensions from escalating into conflicts.
I don't mean that as a criticism of leftists, however. I think it's just the predictable result of a highly traumatized and emotionally fragile community. In general, my experience is that leftists are quite often people who were on the "losing end" of the dominant system in various ways. As a result, they often develop large egos and combative personalities to offset their sense of inferiority and (often real) persecution. I'm certainly no exception, but rather than critique it, I think we can learn to have compassion for the ways in which the suffering we experienced has contributed to some of these maladaptive coping strategies that make organizing with our fellows difficult.
We also experience more vicarious suffering because we are deeply tuned into the worst horrors occurring in the world, which contributes to overwhelmed, hyperactivated, or numb emotional states if we aren't taught how to process these things in a healthy way (another difference with the Buddhist community, where there are regular group processes to share difficult emotions and support one another). These emotional states, when they collide, naturally lead to more conflict occurring. It's a very predictable thing that, if more people are experiencing fight/flight/freeze states that there will be more fighting (as well as people leaving or shutting down and not participating).
yeah, hurt people hurt people...not a good excuse, and still I'm not blaming them either though. simultaneity is challenging.
also, out of conflict arises the Truth. I'd rather know the Truth than be right...not saying it needs to be full destruction, but it's all necessary data to explore. "Ar, sometimes it's not a tower (moment), sometimes it's a lighthouse..."
@@ZephyrAvoxel I agree with that, but I think the truth in this case is that we're all pretty wounded and need to work on how to tend to our and others' wounds in the process of resolving conflicts rather than pouring salt into them.
True. It was Leftist infighting that convinced me that human nature is inherently self serving
The humans are not the solution to anything. Please do less
bro emailed slavoj žizek… what a man
lmfao was about to comment this
hysterical
this is what he’s talking about he emailed a man and u d ride
@@anorakquest4004 It's not a man, it's Slavoj Žižek, and so on and so on...
@@anorakquest4004 you watch this video and you go to the comments so negative already… aight.
@@anorakquest4004 this is fucking hilarious
Me, an autistic 7 y/o, trying to logic my parents out of a fight in 1998:
Oh no...
His parents? Albert Einstein. Read that again.
That's oddly specific.. What's wrong?
Damn man I feel that
I hope you found your peace with them ❤
When Contrapoints said it’s a Fandom I gasped. That’s what has really worried me about my engagement in this space.
"No gods, no parasocial relationships"
Ironically, the fact that you seem to have immediately internalised her claim as if it must necessarily accurately describe your engagement, just because she said it, could be seen as evidence that she's probably correct when it comes to you at least....
I just laughed and thought "yeah, she's right, some viewers are definitely just fans of these people" without feeling personally called out
Of course it is. We're entering the time of the gods. People are realising they are the masters of their own destiny and dashing that on the rocks in exchange for the worship of the weak. We are witnessing the birth of a new spiritual age, the neo-narcissists. Worshipping the reflection provided by their followers
@@happinesstan I can only imagine how deep and self-important you were feeling while typing out that LARP-y gibberish. Probably while rubbing your own nipples
@@happinesstan wouldn’t neo-narcissists just be narcissists? What’s the difference betweeen the two I just don’t really understand what you mean by that
Bro dropped Avengers: Endgame levels collab, but for breadtube
REAL
fr lmaoo this is awesome
Seeing him cut between Hakim and Vaush both covertly shit talking each other is hilarious
Bro ruined his credibility forever by including among others. Vaush! 😂😂
One must imagine Sisyphus playing sick jazz-funk beats.
He doesn’t make the music. Housecat does
@@zaak4876 The video title is a reference to Gil Scott-Heron's phrase "Revolution won't be televised"
@PrismaticCatastrophism an absolutely phenomenal artist who was ahead of his time in many ways
yknow i love how you put this idea, even tho its a joke lol. imagining that sisyphus whistles as he goes everyday seems like itd make a hell of a difference
As someone who went from consuming content to actually participating in socialist orgs in public I can’t express how much better and more rewarding in every way actually talking to random people on the street is to online comment sections. People are surprisingly receptive to even old fashioned things like handing someone the dreaded pamphlet or newspaper. I assumed that stuff was pointless until I actually tabled and saw how curious people were. The idea you get based on online interactions is completely different than organizing and talking to people in the real world and the real world experience for all its challenges is better in every way. To the extent that these online spaces matter it’s really only in that they encourage some people to go out and try the real thing.
Cool
If you don’t mind me asking, how’d you get started?
I agree with you so much. When I first started doing actual organisational stuff irl. I was surprised how receptive the public can be to these ideas. People I'd assume would be the most reactionary and unreceptive were the more enthusiastic, whereas the most "left" looking people actually were the least interested in organising
sickle noticed, opinion denied. you live too good if you want to change to the sickle bro
Great to hear you're getting involved irl, comrade! My experience is similar. I joined the Party for Socialism and Liberation and have found some GREAT friendships and we have been BUSY! It always amazes me how many people in my community are receptive to Socialism.
Which group are you involved with?
What if the purpose of online politics isn’t to start a revolution but instead to entertain while keeping the political in our head, as a way to prevent us from getting distracted by the “non political”
It’s a proxy for war and decsicion making. When it breaks down the real thing usually emerges.
That sadly just turns into commodification of politics. Which is what's currently happening on social media. Its only lead to fandoms and "stan culture" of political creators.
Its important to keep informed but at some point real action must be taken. Not that it must immediately translate to revolution. It starts with practical small steps
This is exactly what the guys on the Deprogram, especially Yugopnik talk about. Consuming content that has a revolutionary perspective is a revolutionary action in our minds, while materially it's the same as watching any show on Netflix without action. People do their "revolutionary act" for the day by watching a socialist video or scrolling through their social media feed, feel satisfied, and then put that Socialism back into its box and go about their day like they're in a separate world from what that content is about.
I'll add that educational content is more productive than drama and infighting/debating, but only insofar as it makes it clearer for the viewer what is to be done. Whether they do that is still the main issue.
@@samneibauer4241whats the deprogram? do they have long episodes?
@@maxonmendel5757 an international anti-capitalist podcast (an American, Yugoslav and Iraqi Arab), episodes are about an hour to an hour-and-a-half. Very crude but hilarious jokes, a lot of good theory and discussion and usually great guests.
The idea that privileged people cannot speak against capitalism/America is absurd. The entire point of class consciousness is that if you are a lucky enough individual to break out of the class struggle, you should use your new platform to speak against the system that makes life for others worse.
im not a christian or anything but this bible verse says what i wanna say:
"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God."
@@Gabriel_Blair I'm not a proponent of capitalism, I'm a proponent of those in capitalism with power using it to help end the system.
I disagree, at some point your material interests begin to differ wildly from those you claim to speak for. This does create a conflict of interest! Maybe the person can still be a leftist broadly speaking, but clearly many will not speak so loudly when it will come to things that concern them more directly. That goes for any one of any social class. To pretend that someone's conditions won't affect what they advocate for and how they do so is a pretty big mistake imo. I feel, this is precisely how you get bllion dollar companies harping on about social causes. Allowing for a dissonance between your status and of your alleged position seems like step 1 to becoming a liberal.
The problem-
Of course--
Is that those on the "new platform" would always, in a second and without thinking twice about it, thrown someone from "beneath" their platform under the bus; that they may keep their own platform ..... After all isn't that the most "pragmatic?" (Or insert some other asspull asinine justification but I digress)
@@authaire that's an example of someone with power abusing it, I never said people with power are not corrupt I said we need to utilize allies to the working class that are in positions of power.
CHAPTERS
PART ONE
0:00:00 prologue.
3:34 introduction.
9:48 methodology.
PART TWO
13:01 OBSERVATIONS
14:05 Leftist unity
15:39 Online vs. Real Politics
17:30 Real-world impact of online left
20:24 Defining the online left
26:42 Leftist inflighting
29:30 Anti-Capitalism through capitalism
33:10 Influencers, educators, entertainers?
36:25 Profilicity - new modes of identity
43:59 FEELINGS
45:00 Inflated egos
46:50 Rejuvenating leftism
50:10 Optics, Paranoia & Isolation
52:00 Audience capture & Alienation
54:29 Pessimism
59:40 Lack of direction in the space
1:02:05 Scarcity and Seriality
1:04:30 Low content quality
1:08:52 Lack of diversity/inclusivity
1:11:16 NEEDS
1:12:16 Prefigurativism and Pragmatism
1:14:30 Demonstrating revolutionary potential
1:17:09 Instilling hope and optimism
1:18:30 Group praxis
1:21:08 Need for humility
1:22:36 Need for responsibility
1:25:07 Need for connection
1:28:13 REQUESTS
1:29:14 Dealing with Drama
1:31:55 Tit-For-Tat Strategy
1:34:07 Dealing with drama is hard!
1:35:10 Recognizing responsibility/accountability with platform
1:39:22 Direct action and aid
1:42:25 Communication & Community-building (building bridges perchance?)
PART 3
1:44:50 What does "The Revolution" even mean?
1:45:51 General Discussion (if you're short on time)
1:52:07 Conclusion
2:00:30 Epilogue
2:03:14 Credits
Holy shit, two hours
It looks like everyone is just repeating themselves, not watching two hours of video about online leftist politics feels like actual leftist gesture. Is it that there are always new people washed up to this part of the internet that fuel this shit, literally end of the history for online left.
@Sisyphus55 One must imagine him pinning the comment.
Pin it please ❤
@@paladinkhanhe has them on the video 😭
Those names at the opening felt like the most insane anime crossover of all time
Almost all of the people interviewed said something like “people think that by talking about something they are making change, and they aren’t actually making change. This space is all analysis and doesn’t spawn enough action.” Everyone believes that everyone else thinks that posting is action, and everyone believes that they are the only one who sees that posting is not action. So it seems like we all agree that more action is needed, so why isn’t that action happening? The answer is pretty simple: our society is built so that there are a ton of little barriers to make material change. So an online personality who wants to make change should address those barriers directly, right? One of the only people I’ve seen talking about this problem directly is Dr. Fatima especially in her new video.
Couldn't agree more, especially regarding Dr Fatima
that's less a result of how our society is built and more a result of how reality works. Of course there are little barriers to making change, change (especially real change) takes effort. And it takes effort because there are so many barriers to over come, not just big ones, but small ones at ever step in every day.
we're too comfortable in our places to actually move, we rather stay in this place than to risk it all for a better change, thats our flaw.
Was does Kidology mean by 'they critique American foreign policy yet live in America'??? Can people not criticize the government of the countries they live in? Gives very much 'and yet you live in a society' as a response to 'society has a problem.'
She's a capitalist propagandist tool. Call out @sisyphus 55 for including her.
“the air is toxic”
“and yet you breathe it”
kinda vibe
Dude what an excellent video. After hearing criticisms from your last video on the subject, you sat down and sought out the voices of those most knowledgeable about the "breadtube" online space, probed them in productive ways to get earnest, thoughtful responses, and synthesized what one could reasonably expect to be an incoherent mess into a poignant thesis. You let the words of the interviewees speak for themselves while also bringing in outside theory to contextualize the phenomena that we're witnessing in the space, and then also made sure to tie everything together at the end with a fun graph. Loved it.
Y'know, I once got in contact with someone for the express purpose of continuing an argument I was having with them. But, at the last moment, I decided to approach actually speaking with them with a more apologetic and understanding tone. And I was kind of in disbelief about how much better it made _me_ feel compared to the frustration which came with the combative tone I'd taken so often elsewhere, and even prior.
I can personally attest to the fact that non-violent communication isn't just better for the constructiveness of a disagreement, but for your own emotional state in general.
I've been learning this recently as well. Being inflammatory often feels justified in the moment and can even be satisfying but ultimately leads to a deeply unproductive and draining form of dialog. Better to be as charitable and objective as possible from the outset.
I remember when i was about 14, I went online on Kik (we knew it was an awful place at the time) and decided to join a few white supremacist chats that were just natively hosted on it. I didn't go further than just looking into most of them cause i really wasn't about that. However, there was one chat that didnt have alot of people on at the time. So, my 14 year old brain had one thought, why? I then pretty much proceeded to interview this Nazi-fur. Without realizing it (other than having the idea that getting this guy mad, while funny, wouldn't give me the answers i wanted) I pretty much did what you outlined in your comment. I pretty much exclusively asked questions and wanted to learn why this person would choose this ideology and what did they get from it. It completely shocked me when they answered, not like the kind of cartoon bad-guy I expected, but like a human being. A deeply flawed one that I fundamentally disagreed with on many levels, but one that i came to understand of the course of my shitty little interview. Honestly, to me, he seemed pretty pathetic at the time I asked questions. He said things like that he appreciated the aesthetic and themes of power it give him, not really even mentioning much of the actual ideology other than it kind of gave him something bigger to be a part of. He also mentioned that the life had given him a girlfriend, a sense of community and somewhere he could feel he belonged. He gave off a sense that he was kind of a dude that kinda just got swept up into it. Even his response to the Jewish question suprised and confused me. The dude openly admitted in full confidence that Jews were kind of a scapegoat, (his words not mine). At the time I kinda wrote this off as one of my weirder experiences on the internet and went to bed. Thinking back on this situation now I realize that at that time, me and the Nazi were not that different. We were simply two scared kids talking on the internet, miles from eachother. He didn't even seem particularly mean or hateful, he seemed to just want someone to listen to what he was saying, to give him some of the time he was probably denied or deprived of in other circles. As much as we as humans like to otherize other people, unfortunately for us we have alot of similarities to those same people. Obviously if confronted with a nazi chump i probably wouldn't hestitate to throw a tomato if they were promoting the awful things they parrot, however most of what is the issue with a good number of these people is that at some point someone did not care about understanding them and they internalized that and used it as an excuse to go on and do the hateful things they do, most likely for the wrong reasons. I know this is a bit of an off topic story but i felt the need to get it out there even if my point didnt exactly make the most sense. And i really do hope that poor kid got out the life before the more heinous shit the people get up to in there catches up with him.
true that, it just doesn't lead anywhere, and after that weird state of mind goes away, i'm left like "huh, why was i behaving like that?" because i'm normally a pretty friendly guy
Interviewees
You can find those featured down below. Thank you to everyone that took part in the making of this video.
@ContraPoints
@AliceCappelle
@KidologyCO
@FDSignifire
@Andrewism
@CH4R10T_TV
@Vaush
@DemonMama
@NoahSamsen
@DylanBurnsTV
@KhadijaMbowe
@alexander_avila
@YaBoiHakim
@SecondThought
@YUGOPNIK
@carefreewandering
@progressivevictory
@MarianneWilliamsonCommunity
@RichardDWolff
I love your work, but please don't include Voosh in this. he's demonstrably not a leftist. He's a lib imperialist hack who frankly, exists to distract from change. I won't even get into his personal uh... failings... but even his so-called political ones are shady at best.
@@satyasyasatyasya5746there are many other people on this list who don't even consider themselves leftists. That's not the point of the video. Pls watch the video
@@RedBrite i notice my comment is like, shadowbanned or something, but also, admittedly, i had a more nuanced point and comment but YT or Sis removed that too :/ ya just can't do discourse anymore lol
lets be honest @vaush shouldn't be there.
@@vau_stBased and correct-pilled
I love how the guy's internet cuts out and then he sees a horse and cries a tear of joy. Vaush would be proud.
No m8. No. You can't make me laugh this hard. It's illegal. Pls stop 😂
Some of these critiques are really on the level of "don't make me get the Bors comic". Like, yeah, we criticise capitalism from within capitalism. What's the alternative? Go and live in the woods? Move to Chiapas and join the Zapatistas? Realistically, most people have to exist within capitalism, have to engage with capitalism. I don't consider anyone a lesser quality of leftist for monetising their channel or having a patreon or whatever. You've got to eat and pay rent, you know? Or are we expected to be starving on the streets on the name of ideology?
yes.
so long as your not yourself becoming a capitalist and exploit others to benefit yourself
Hasan does not eat enough food to require all his income to go towards the grocery store and Uber Eats.
Just because we criticize capitalism within capitalism and we can't go live in the woods doesn't mean any and all social activity within capitalism is fine, or effective at organizing a socialist revolution, which is what some of the people interviewed in this video claim to want.
Imagine if in 1970, I said the path to a socialist revolution was to get as many revolutionary socialists as guests on network television news shows as possible. I'm not even suggesting that's a bad tactic. But as a strategy for revolution it would be insane.
Consider Alexander Avila's point that the "breadtube audience" is just an algorithmically generated niche microdemographic. Now consider how nutty it is for someone like Hakim to suggest that this medium could literally function, for a traditional Leninist party, as a substitute for putting up agitational-educational posters.
@@user-ig4dl4iv1j oh, I agree. The people that claim being a streamer or video essayist or whatever is equivalent to direct action are either deluded or grifters. But the criticisms, especially from (I can't remember her name, the British lady) were pretty clear that anti-capitalist youtubers were hypocritical for doing things like using a capitalist platform and making money. There is nothing hypocritical about doing what is necessary for survival under capitalism, while using the largest (which will inevitably be capitalist) platforms to educate people on radical concepts. And now I've had time to sleep on it, I definitely agree with the point made in the video that it has become more of a consoomer demographic than a radical space, if it ever was one to begin with. But, so? Again, we live under capitalism. Everything is consumer demographics. The information is still getting out there, we just need to find a way to convert the education into real-world action. Unfortunately, encouraging your viewers to log off and go outside is anathema to UA-cam's businesses model, so there's a clear trade-off between being algorithmically successful enough to push the message and pushing the message effectively enough that people actually do something with it.
Kidology literally did the "They critique society and yet they participate in it" 😂 how does anyone take her seriously
My favorite part is that she says to move to Cuba if you hate capitalism and claim you need to participate in it to survive
@@theamazingeevee2045 This is the same person who said the figureheads of the online left were Drew Gooden and Kurtis Conner.
Who said
"The Right is more diverse.
The Left is mostly white".
Whose arguments often boil down to "The Left needs to be more transphobic."
My big critique of this essay is that she's in it - as if she has anything valid to say as an Enlightened Centrist (read: half fascist)
Yes! @sissyphus55 shouldn't have included her in the video. She definitely the odd woman out here in that she's not a leftist, nor is she very educated on these subjects. Call sissyphus out for trojan horsing her in and giving her a platform.
@@theamazingeevee2045 call out @sisyphus 55 for platforming her.
Yeah, I found one or two videos of hers a while ago not too terrible (think it was about academics) but when I watched her big breakdown of "the left" I just figured she's an idiot or a grifter. All those little "fights about everything like the Israel-Palestine conflict [...]" and other inconsequential things or whatever. Jesus.
As a leftist, one of my biggest problems with the online left, and the left more broadly (historical and present), is constant infighting. Unfortunately I don't think you will be the One Guy to fix that problem but it's certainly refreshing to hear other people share my sentiment.
He’s here to inform, not to fix
The right has it, too. I'm a moderate that leans right on monetary/fiscal items, but then I take a hard left turn when it comes to things of personal autonomy; abortion, LGBTQIA rights, etc. I'm just sick of the caricatures of people on both sides.
@@JL32506 right-wing and center are the status quo, so it's not such a big deal for them
@@jeanivanjohnsonI'd argue some on the radical right are not for the status-quo. They certainly are more proactive about achieving that vision of the future, however.
I mean it’s been like that since the 19th and early 20th century even leftist have disagreements with each other but I don’t understand why there’s a negative connotation around disagreements with out them our ideas would be static our ideas would receive no friction and never be challenged, for instance think of arguments like a refining or sanding process without the outside friction your thoughts and ideas would remain a block with no sharp qualities, arguments are essentially for moving forward because if we didn’t know each other’s grievances we would literally never compromise and we’d all die
Great stuff. I certainly don't agree with everyone who participated, but I appreciate the approach taken here to gain some understanding. Im just a simple construction worker. However, the summary at the end reminded me of the Pedagogy of the Oppressed when he went into communities to organize/educate and observe town halls and take critical notes. Not that this is the same. It just reminded me of that
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I often wonder why these creators don’t make it a point to motivate their base to engage in activism. Not just by telling them to, but by giving them some practical steps towards getting involved in their community. The cynical part of me wonders if it’s because it wouldn’t be good “content” or, even more cynically, they would prefer we just sit at home and watch their streams instead. These fears are probably unfounded, but it would be nice if these entertainers addressed their community’s yearning for real change.
because they’re liberals and it’s a job to many of them
Part of that would also have themselves to reconcile the thought of them partaking in activism to give them practicable steps for their audience, of which I suspect, for the most part many do not. I suspect easier to create drama and fighting than to do the former.
i think its cuz the creators themselves are also learning how to be proactive in their influence. video essayists for example spend a lot of time writing about topics, so this medium can act more like a monologue sometimes, rather than a conversation. podcasts are more conversational of course, but are more spontaneous. seems like different mediums have different benefits because the way creators/activists/politicians/academics/viewers engage with each other will just be different, much more so in the vast online space.
at the same time i do think creators would benefit from acknowledging that sometimes they just aren't sure how to go about things or even showing themselves thinking about things they're still grappling with. Noah Samsen has a side youtube channel i like called "noah time" where he records himself doing simple/mundane things like washing the dishes or exercising, where he just speaks freely about things on his mind. seeing well educated folks embrace this openness to showing that hey, im still learning too, i think is so important.
I’ve been friends with different people in the ecosystem. There’s a lot of assuming happening, like we take this or that for granted. And that’s not very good because there’s lots of inequities in education and information access.
In any case, we’re going somewhere and we need to keep building tools and playbooks
The only ones I've seen who've really gotten their viewers and fans involved in activism, at least in terms of electoralism, would be Vaush, Dylan Burns, Loner Box, and Destiny in regards to Progressive Victory, which has helped a lot when it comes to volunteering and canvassing and with winning state and local races.
Marianne really brought good points to the table. I think being involved is something someone can do anywhere. Revolutions will not happen online, but can be published online. The spread of news even on youtube is amazing and I think at the rate drama farms can churn out content speaks to the efficiency of the push of ideas, though like was state earier, lacks that sustinence/solutions that actually pushes those ideas forward.
Speaking as someone whose talked to union organizers, the collective really cant do anything until theyre all on the same page.
wow i didn't even notice you have a million subscribers now
congratulations!
Just saw that too. When did he blow up? I feel like I've been around since like 15k subs
27:40 vaush is taking the easy way out. He’s simply saying there’s no mechanism by which he could render his previously burned bridges anew. When he could obviously try building new bridges. He could be more mature. I genuinely think him and his attitude is representative of the problem most of the time.
definitely agreed, i think enough bridges have burnt with him that he's been burnt himself and is afraid to do outreach (there is some truth to the fact that sometimes it is literally impossible for him to do outreach, being blocked through every avenue or mutual he might have with that person), but that doesn't excuse his general pessimism. however i do think of almost all leftists he's still one of the more effective ones (one of the few that actively participates in canvassing through PV, and obviously through extension the rest of the PV crowd falls under this). there's some others that are good at calls to actions but i still think vaush does this best, so it's a real shame he's too stupid to build bridges
Also why the fuck are we taking vaush seriously, he is litteraly a liberal, would hardly call him a leftist...
We appreciate your transparency. Keep moving forward no matter what happens.
I absolutely loved all the animations and transitions in this video. Also the flow chart part is what elevates this video from feeling too disorganized to being coherent and understandable. Great work!
I will say, Second Thought - JT, is who got me to join DSA. Not just join, but pull the North Alabama OC into chapter status in 2023 after waffling since 2016. Our membership has grown by almost 50%, we have multiple active, quality strategic campaigns under way make real positive impact. I don't discount the online left. Especially JT. Could more of them tell their audiences to get out more and join DSA to help with mass organizing? Yes, but you have all given me a lot of insight and help in a consumable format, especially for my ADHD.
JT made you join the demsocs? He's a Marxist Leninist and he often talks about how reading Lenin was his break through moment. If he's really the one who turned you I think you may have joined the wrong party.
brazilian socs (specially marxists) tend to encourage organization and recomend means to do so
Yeah, honestly I think if second thought can get people to go out and do real impactful political advocacy, then he should be forgiven for some of his 'tankie' takes. I agree with the people like vaush that call him a tankie, but I still don't dislike second thought. I think hes good at introducing people to leftism and getting them involved. We need more solidarity or we're screwed.
@@cypress2647 vaush is trash, tankie means nothing these days
@@cypress2647you won’t convince the majority to his positions… what’s worse than his Tankie takes is that a lot of thoughts lead to Defeatism, and given that dudes standard of living I doubt I’d see him taking any part civil war / armed revolutionary conflict.
Can I just say that, I am only halfway thru the video as I am currently at work, but I am impressed with how you handled this. I am so used to seeing the drama mentioned that you are a breath of fresh air.
I love how the beard serves as a time reference
I became a socialist on April 29, 2022. It’s been an engrossing, wonderful journey since then… but this video addresses a majorly stumbling block. How do I actually live like a socialist and enact that change on society? There’s no movements, there’s no one I know who’s like minded here in Townsville, Australia so I end up doing it personally on a small scale, living in this depressing reality that society isn’t changing any time soon… if ever.
I occasionally hear stories of capitalism being threatened and I think, yeah the media, the billionaires and ignorance from the public really seem like implementing socialism.
I've come to a very similar end here in South Dakota, notoriously conservative at best and violently reactionary at worst. I post on social media, but of course that can only do so much.
We should do what we can, talk points and relate issues folks around us have with broader society to a leftist perspective, and I hope we can do more if the ball gets rolling
@@biggene3043the ball will never roll unless you talk to the people around you. Imagine your in Alaska… wtf use is a revolution all the other states gonna do for yourself?
Change is small, there’s a reason why Soviets started with councils/unions… there’s another reason why Lenin banned / bombed a lot of Soviets when they wouldn’t give him and his party a majority despite the Soviets all being Communist or Socialist.
The big thing I think is really just fostering community and taking care of those in need. Doing praxis. Truth is there’s probably never gonna be a time where almost every single person is a self identified socialist/communist/anarchist, but communities will come together and participate in action aligned with the Left/Leftists even if the individuals themselves are more “conservative” in some ways. We can’t “kill” capitalism, but we can try to minimise its effects on the working class and the most vulnerable, therefore facilitating progress.
I hear you bud. I felt the same living in small town New Zealand. A few months ago I joined the New Zealand Communist party, being able to just talk to other Communists has been inspiring. Being able to be a part of the growth and development of the organisation, collaborating and building relationships with other socialist organisations, and participating in protests and other more direct actions has been priceless and instrumental in helping to further develop my worldview and praxis. If you can find a similar organisation, even if it’s far from your town, I highly recommend joining it. And even if that organisation doesn’t bear fruit, you will gain invaluable experience in the process.
Feels like you should do a video about what even is “change”. How much can we expect humans to change fundamentally over long periods of time time.
I imagine many people, like myself, were/are unsure of how to organize because we feel so far removed from our local communities - I'm sure this will be addressed in the video.
When I did finally join a group last Fall, it became an issue of cost very quickly due to me having to drive to a city and park for every event - gas, tolls, and so on. I should prioritize my activism, financially, but sometimes I literally cannot do that. I know things are // this way // for a reason, and I know these might be poor excuses when yearning so much for change - but as a parent with chronic pain and limited buckeroos, it's really easy to fall back into being a voice online and nothing more.
RE: Organizing - a huge piece of the puzzle often missed in conversations is the notion of reasonable, strategic "tiers" of involvement - something to illustrate how much and how often a person can reasonably commit, given their personal obligations and struggles. There are many creative ways to strike, protest, etc - efforts can be staggered - and we should really run the numbers to figure out what percentage of a population - and for how long - meet the minimum required [disruption] to achieve the requisite pressure to demand change. I'm sure someone has already created a guide or written a book on that very thing, but, lol, it's not exactly something that comes up on a Summer reading list. I'm sure social media accounts and leftist figureheads that offer this kind of education are also heavily suppressed - at least, I never really see them.
This country is damn huge. In some aspects, centralized efforts are hard if not impossible, and I'm not sure to what degree they are necessary, but I imagine this will continue to be the weakness of the American populace. For that reason, I am grateful we have social media. Even if it's highly surveilled.
I agree. This whole system, even the physical infrastructure of cities and suburbs, is designed to alienate us from each other and any kind of ability to connect or organize against that system. I have felt so isolated and it took a huuuge amount of physical and emotional effort to actually attend an in person meeting.
This is fantastic. I started watching your short biopics on philosophers and psychologists years ago. It's been a joy to see your videos go from entertaining summaries to interviews, contemplative video essays, and even a feature-length documentary like this in which you synthesize the ideas from all those philosophers you used to cover. Great work!
As the bolivian revolution leader Simón Bolívar said: "he who serves a revolution, plows in the sea."
He was from what today would be Venezuela
@@nicanornunez9787 Yeah, but Bolivia was named after him.
Technically Gran Columbian, but talking about the nationalities of people from nations which no longer exists gets screwy real quick.
Bolivia got so lucky with Evo Morales man...
Immensely important work for the online left. Good job! And happy to have been a part of it. Hope to publish my own work on the space soon.
The recognition of separating theory within your own mind and the people’s needs within the material world reminds me of Deng Xiao Ping “I made mistakes” self criticism, early in his career while working under Mao. Very humble, keep up the great work!
I feel like my problem is I’m just never going to have the right vibe/personality to fit in to irl leftist spaces due to my upbringing (plus general anxiety disorders making it hard to socialize in general) but this stuff is still genuinely important to me and I’m from a conservative family in a really conservative part of the country and I’m not willing to turn my entire life into a nonstop political debate and alienate everyone I know, but I have enough experience to know there’s no “respectful disagreeing” around here, they’ll just keep bringing the argument up forever until you say you agree or never talk to them again, so the only way to keep that from happening is to just never discuss politics at all.
So online political content is literally my only outlet for engaging with the political world and frankly regularly consuming online leftist content is pretty much the only thing that keeps me mindful of not slipping into the conservative mindset I’m constantly being indoctrinated with.
I'm curious why you consider it indoctrination when it's coming from the people you know in real life that care about you, but you don't consider it indoctrination when it's coming from internet personalities that have no idea you exist and could not care less about you.
You seem to be reflexively coming online to reinforce your brainwashing because it has become a part of your identity, hasn't it?
Hi, a person with a similar situation here. I would have to say it is because "the people [we] know in real life" are so often BLATANTLY misguided by popular right-wing narratives. Like seriously, it is ridiculous. No, the government doesn't hate you for being white. No, Disney is not trying to make your kids gay.
I have received far more provable misinformation from right-wing sources over my life than left-wing ones.
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This isn’t really important, I’m just genuinely curious cuz I’m in a red area with red family too (I was raised by parents that listened to dennis prager my entire childhood and would have me watch pragerU as a tween lol) Why do you think you wouldn’t be able to fit in leftist spaces irl because of your upbringing?
@@Someone-tried-to-hack-me honestly, I just don’t have the right vibe
@@redgreen2453What do you mean by not having the right vibe?
I do think I am more right leaning but lately I have noticed that most of my left views were construed by the online I believe more critical thinking is needed for me personally. Watching this video has helped me see more into the left and more views. Thank you.
"You criticize society - yet you live in a society" Very much the vibe I got from that one individual. 😒
I think if none of these people were streamers they wouldn't have nearly ad many arguments. I feel like merely having an audience tends to push people towards tribalism and drama.
Bro I love this so fcking much man. You're using your platform amazingly. To think I've seen the progress and growth you've underwent is so nice, glad we landed on the same cloud
note: don't bother with Vaush, he's a weirdo pedo
Interestingly I keep going back to your interview with Dr.Wolf. I keep thinking about what he said is the interpretation of Marx and Lenin and Trotsky and communism and socialism in general. The country I live in is so diverse that we have taken to such varried interpretation of the left. In India there's the issue of Caste and alot of folks who have converted to say Christianity like my family or people who convert to Islam or Buddhism tend to be left but through different role models rather the one person who did lead a motion of emancipation was Dr.Ambedkar and although there are quite a few people who apart from him went on to do work that made people break their caste barriers and capitalist conditions there is a great deal of hate for folks who are left leaning in India because they are mostly Upper caste and upper class individuals. Because it's seen as a privilege to be left leaning. But there is always hope, we have Rappers and really amazing Instagram personalities fighting to Annihilate caste and capitalist realism. Just wanted to give a glimpse of what's happening in the South east Asia circles and uff don't get me started about the drama. We are at such varried intersections of religion, caste , Gender and class diversity that uniting folks has become a complex matter or a matter of just being able to be friends with people. People are righteous here as well but there's still hope on a united front to defeat the fascist government that targets it's citizens through misinformation and blatant pogroms of genocide.
The Left Wing Parties are very small in India, I wouldnt have too much optimism if I were you
@@aturchomicz821 yes I don't have much hope either. It's like a group of people with Left leaning ideas have to first educate the liberal mindset. The Indian middle class is quite strong and quite casteist to begin with. I think of what Dr.Ambedkar says mostly Educate, Agitate and Organize and hopefully there's a larger Agenda thats common to everyone looking to defeat Capitalism and Brahminism hiding in plain sight.
Many of my more “liberal” qualities (As in capitalistic individualism and petty bourgeois mindsets) were completely diminished the moment I started joining organizations and talked to people from foreign nations and started working with a lot of people.
Genuinely the problem with the online left is alienation primarily and false consciousness is another fairly common issue (see petty bourgeois liberalism)-most of these problems are just leftovers of this quasi capitalist realism, and it slowly dissipates through lived experience in social organization and face a lot of growth through self reflection, examination, and etc.
Note: Not everyone will have these contradictions solved, and nobody will find this as a quick solution. A big problem in anything new to us is that we tend to rush to find solutions or information and we get overwhelmed or misinformed/disinformed…hence, false consciousness must be challenged.
normal people don't talk like that. seriously why do all of you leftos talk with all that weird language. it doesn't make you sound smart you just sound incredibly pretentious. Do you get awards for talking like that or something?
Love the wide range of guests and effort you put into this video. Thanks for continuing to creating thought provoking content.
An immense effort! So glad to see you also included Carefree Wandering!
Dayum, having come across some of em. I feel like im looking at a shelf that just organised thoughts fairly neatly. Thank you for the effort organising this.
Hakim always focused on practicality. That’s very respectable.
Also a genocide denialist, go look at his take on the Kurdish genocide
@@lus6448 where do I do that
@@lus6448it wasn’t a genocide. Just because lots of people were killed doesn’t mean it’s a genocide. Saying it’s a genocide allows u.s to justify its actions against Iraqis
@@lus6448he doesn't deny that it happened or that it was bad. He just dislikes the claim of genocide (officially the massacres of Kurds aren't considered a genocide), because it was used as a reason to destroy Iraq and install a puppet government. Beimg a POC and having imperialists talk about why murdering your people is justified can cause some impatience, but he himself has said that he has come to see that there's a good point in calling the massacres a genocide. I myself find it histerical that people come after him for callousness when I have seen many less radical folk justify actions just as bad or worse. The amount of people calling the Korean war justified is quite high, yet "leftists" don't call them genocide deniers. Stop being a hypocrite and usinfg libel to discredit an Iraqi voice (not like he isn't problematic enoigh as is).
@@lus6448that wasn't a genocide. This isn't an issue worth fighting over, or losing a very good partner.
as a conservative, this is really important. If both sides of the spectrum focused more on their ideas and how to improve the lives of their constituencies than beating the other side in a short-term battles, the lives of millions would improve and real change will be possoble.
1:18 music is the instrumental to Marvin Gaye’s “I want you”
Hakim: Don’t start with people
Hakim; proceeds to start shit with streamers.
Helpful video. I've been in a bit of a rut lately (last year and a half) and have developed a probable social media addiction to UA-cam, and have sorta fallen into the video essay sphere because ostensibly I am at least learning and opening myself up to different perspectives, even if at the end of the day I'm just using these videos as dullening opiates in the background, but I've started noticing the same points and readings and research being recycled across the same creators along with trauma porn and a lack of action, which has made me question whether I am even gaining anything anymore. Certainly I've learned a lot about different marginalized experiences than my own from this kind of content in the past and that's been helpful but now I'm really just enabling my own stagnation and using 'educating' as an excuse. I've been looking for something to help recalibrate my perspective and have been trying hard to tunnel out of this content consumption spiral for a while (since at least the Plagiarism and UA-cam video) and this is the last little bit of motivation I've needed. This isn't a problem specifically with this kind of content, it's part of a broader pattern of me using UA-cam videos (of all kinds/forms) as a maladaptive coping mechanism/excuse to be static, but thanks, I guess I needed something like this. I have also recently joined a number of direct action initiatives within my local community and with causes I am passionate about, so great time to start touching grass again.
I think that if everyone told their viewers to, say, go protest on a specific date and time in front of the israeli embassy, that it would be impactful. This made me feel that we should organize the "BreadTube International", a meeting between BreadTubers to discuss what cooperative efforts they could do to fight against stuff like the war in Gaza, or the rise of the far right in western countries, etc. and then decide on a call to action everyone should take. It could be a way to turn all this visibility into palpable action, most people interviewed (if not all) seemed open to cooperation towards a common goal.
Journalists like those with the Grayzone and Revolutionary Blackout are heavily involved in such organizing. Journalists are the people we should be looking to in these times, not video essayists.
I will be honest, something that had deeply irritated me during this video, even though i love the topic and the information the video provides, was that it deeply misses the point of what its trying to understand. By interviewing solely creators, it focuses in on the mechanisms of incentivization for creating content for the online left more than it is for consuming content of the online left. Viewers are an important avenue for understanding what the left is, how to build coalitions around the left, why they consume left content and more. This is the point that's being missed throughout the video, and if real change is whats needed then it can't come from creators but their viewers. Interviewing viewers that either have some form of apathy, some form of appreciation, some form of optimism or pessimism, could help underscore what the left is about, which is giving voices to the unheard. While listening to creators is important, if that is the sole focus then the video will inherently be about content creation and not about what the online left's influence is or what it desires.
Creators, politicians, organizers and academics were all involved in the interview process. The viewers can provide their perspective in the comment section. The video is a starting point of discussion rather than a definitive conclusion.
@@Sisyphus55I suggest getting some polling data for the next part, because though those perspectives are important, ultimately the online left has two vectors through which it gains a space, the creator and the viewer, and one perspective was not present. This gives a one sided view of what the online left is and how we can affect change.
It's creepy how casually you guys promote communism. My grandfather were murdered by communists, but I guess you know about the decades of atrocities.
@@kintuppathank u!!!! I totally agree. I was thinking how are you supposed to figure out if political content creators have any sort of actual impact without asking the viewer/consumers pov? it’s giving the government did an internal investigation lmao
I am an anarchist; so that is the angle my opinions come from. Diversity and divisiveness is our biggest strength, because we are not just fighting capitalism; we are fighting hierarchy which capitalism depends on. Hierarchies create the fertile ground by which exploitation and capitalism feeds on, but this can also be abused by authoritarian leftists. Authority is a machine, a system that funnels power to the top by leveraging the vices of humanity; because systems in power ultimately reproduce themselves and their functions, at the expense of those subjected to it. the revolution will never allow itself to end as long as there are people it serves; and hierarchical power structures will inevitably serve an increasing minority of power holders.
Horizontal power structures transform human vices into virtues; because the most extreme aspects of each individual's perspective are sanded down in dialogue with the rest of the affected community; and common areas of grievance are brought to the surface. Democracy in some form, such as direct democracy, allows these grievances to be targeted directly. Once people know what the most pressing problems on; the community can vote on the best people for the job (if necessary) to perform that specific role, until the problem is solved and they are no longer needed (or replaced if there is an error, corruption, or the goal changes with new information).
sometimes meet the press if i can get air or cable tv on sunday morning. local news -alarming! - when w/ elderly
Thank you, Sisyphus 55.
I feel like the enormity of what you have done here, while not something easily tangibly, may have a catalytic role of R word proportion in Left Future and broader political change.
You have done an invaluable service- shaped and synthesised the mental framework of a pathway to a door, a door which opens up an immense World of ideas, dialogue, and Hope for a Truly Beautiful, Truly Thriving Future. In the radically new context we are living in of today, radically new creative ideas and solutions will be vital to tomorrow. 🕊❤✊
Just reading the chapter list I actually fear for your safety.
Man this is awesome!! Not enough people talking about NVC, really glad you opened the video with that!!!
Phenomenal discussion. Super necessary amd the formatting was peak. Good work, and I hope more people see this.
I'm not being hyperbolic when I say that the prologue to this video is the best introduction to any UA-cam video I've ever seen.
A 2+ hour Sisyphus video?? This is awesome
I think the thing I struggle with most is the call of popularity. There seems to be two different pathways for me, either playing the social game and existing in online spaces or operate outside of that and tangibly change the world but be unsung.
Currently I'm working as a union organizer and have chose the later, but there is such a drive and desire within current American culture to pull us towards popularity and fame, it's a lot to wrestle with. Thanks for your hard work buddy.
We may not be in the competing masses on the internet, but we're out there.
Seeing vaush in the title card hit like a train bro wth
I'm so proud of this man. He is a true philosopher of our time. Stay true to your nature my friend you're one of the good ones.
OMG, THIS IS FUCKING GREAT!!
I've been subscribed for a while and haven't checked back on your channel for a bit until now...
Great developments and improvements!!
Awesome vid, felt like one of the most purposeful and artful collabs I've seen
I didn't watch the entire video, but it seems to me that it covers the topic through a very North America centric perspective that leaves out the fact that many of the viewers of this online left content come from everywhere around the world, after all the internet has no borders, politics historically has been always tied to some community of people that is bounded by some geographical territory, and this is a crucial factor in understanding and analyzing this reality of the "online left". Because of that i think that this project doesn't paint the whole picture, but still i appreciate the effort of the outreach and work put into this.
That is something brought up a few times throughout the video (namely by Hakim and Andrewism). A call for greater inclusivity is reflected by some of the interviewees.
@@Sisyphus55 why is this the only comment you responded to when they even stated they didnt watch the whole video lol, so strange
When i saw Vaush’s first video about your first video I was so disappointed because he very clearly was agreeing with almost every single thing you had to say. I felt like the well was poisoned by his audience framing your first vid as something it wasn’t, so I was very glad to see how you and he are on good terms afterwards.
Also, surprising to see that Mark Fisher didn’t get mentioned. He uses the example of Wall-E in CapReal to explain how just consuming media with ostensibly progressive or activist messaging takes the place of the audience members actually doing activism themselves, such that the movie does the activism for them. I feel the same argument goes for online political content and it ties into how a) there’s an inherent contradiction when trying to critique capital via the tools it provides, and b) that there is a mismatch between how much activist work is discussed versus actually carried out.
Anyway, fantastic video!
The primary purpose of social media today, is the mediation of resentment.
Could you please revise the editing to better match sound levels of fragments, it's at times uneven: speech in some feagments were quiet in others were loud in comparison.
this is wonderfully edited
The juxtaposition of the interviews with Moeller's take on "profilicity" is brilliant!
i firmly believe that the nature of online politics lends itself to shallow interpretations of reality. and it’s also crucial that we as a globalized society have more access to other peoples opinions and video feeds of everything happening around the world. while the internet and modernity itself are products of the horror that was the industrial revolution, it is necessary that everyone has a fair chance at telling their story and hearing the stories of others. the revolution won’t happen online, but information has to start somewhere.
Definitely agree with the internet part as it seems to have impacted both political sides.
On the globalisation part the left/far left can’t accept the historic story of Lenin taking power away from the Soviets at the start of the revolution or that he believed the people can’t revolt without a vanguard… or that he got a lot of his ideas from people that Marxists hated.
Another story is if defeatism should be engaged with or not.
@@raquetdude regardless of what the ML’s think, or the Anarchists, or the Stalinists, Trotskyists, etc. think, the belief in radical hope for a successful future emancipatory project has to be there. While I sometimes fall into the slump of doomerism and defeatism, I have to hold on to that hope personally and think that Mao had at least one thing figured out with that concept.
@@Josephryanbanks it won’t come from Maoism I believe, rather Marxists that have accepted that there needs to be a semi free market of sorts (see USSR,Yugoslavia and China, Vietnam etc etc).
Though it would be more inspired by EuroCommunism and JapaneseCommunism not any of the old dead leaders of what is now Russia/Eastern Europe. There are pre internet far left groups, and believe those accepting of markets existence and the leftovers of those two movements would see the most success.
Vaush: “I wonder how I can better engage other creators?”
Maybe he should start by paying attention to the interview and not playing video games the whole time
He does this regularly, he's also neurodivergent and has explained why he plays games during interviews. It's crazy to me how people start pedojacketing and applying neruotypical expectations to a queer, neurodivergent man just because he has a slight air of self assuredness. Does playing games make him a worse interviewee?
@@yuehan6711The man does have a knack for defaming everyone he feels like. So the general air of hostility is to be expected.
@@nicoruppert4207 like the deprogram circle? Its highly mutual, and they deserve the criticism especially hakim. Even then the treatment vaush receives is not proportional to any of his mistakes or wrongdoings.
@@yuehan6711 Vaush: "It would be justified to nuke Israel" "There are conditions under wich I support the invasion of Iraq"
Vaush to NonCompete, BadEmpanada, Luna Oi : "You support the Holocaust" "You are a red fascist" "you are a homophobic nationalist"
I know everyone acts badly from time to time and especially Hakim can have a loose tongue. But Vaush takes the cake with it and then dares to criticize others for doing so. Him and Keffals are considered toxic elements even by the anti Tankie crowd for a good reason.
@@nicoruppert4207i literally just left a comment calling vaush a barnacle.
the other person here should maybe learn why people are so angry with vaush
Hot damn, what a lineup. I think everyone argues so much because they don’t know the next step in the revolution, so we’re all farting around arguing with each other “waiting” for the next phase to just happen without anyone having to make the first move. Everybody agrees on 95% of the same stuff, just not how to go about getting it.
the next step takes a lot of work from hundreds of individuals creating unions and uniting the actual working class, most vocal leftists online are larping
@ericcarabetta1161 Hakim and Yugopnik are organized in their areas, so they are active parts of the next step. I do not know about the rest.
I just want to say thanks.
This is self aware I think us leftists struggle with.
Something I *really* can't say enough is that the absurdity and social gore of the online left is also very much alive in the in person left.
I do tame shit: I hand out coats, blankets, tents, food and other life essentials to people who need it. I also volunteer my time to unions. Despite what I see as low risk and high impact outside of what spicey people do, even in this environment, people love their cliques, hate their folk devils. Progressive Victory had its absurd infighting when I was there.
That's alright. I think we should be thinking about how to navigate why and how this happens. I love this video. It moves that generative line of thinking forward. Maybe we can change our culture accordingly.
2:37 ive never been so amped up by a set of opening credits wow this is a big project
Holy crap, incredible work. Deserves far more views. Come on comrades, let’s promote the hell out of this, we owe Sisyphus that much.
i do not comprehend a lot the contents of this film, maybe because im not a native speaker? maybe because im too young? idk, but im defenitbly (misspelled sorry) going to pick up some books after this, figure out what we all are up to. loved the art and editing.
maybe its only because im not that into politics
when i find out witch side i share the most whit im going to revisit
Nah, English remains one of the most complicated languages to learn, don't beat yourself up over it.
start watching second thought and listen to his podcast the deprogram is you want to learn more
Hopefully you will eventually be able to, because it is a pretty great video over all :)
Whether or not I agree with it, you’ve always got something interesting to say man. Will always love your videos :)
Im positivley surprised how in depth this video went about the online left and also the many sources provided so to say, thank you so much for your work on this video no doubt this took a whole lot of time to arrange script edit etc
Am so happy to see someone who has a big influence like sisyphus talk about something I have been talking about since a very long time..
As an early viewer and a very big fan I say thank you for making the world better
What an amazing and different type of video. Nice job sisyphus.
Sisyphus low key the best UA-camr on left tube right now, at least now that Contrapoints and HBomberGuy have moved on to less political topics
Really liked this, thank you. This is the kind of maturity I'd love to see more. We need to leave the high school style infighting and social club mentality behind.
"Oh, I hope this is a short one, since I want to watch it right now."
My man worked on this video for so long he grew an entire beard LFG
Zizeks reply was hilarious😂
wait at what point did zizek respond
@@fatpenguin0089 very beginning, there's a brief flash of an email with zizek saying he's too old and tired to 'do such things'
@@arhicluj2008he was just on piers morgan wasnt he? weird excuse
I like the way you showed how different creators who are typically seen as at odds are coming to similar conclusions about the space.
I love your self-critical and constructive approach, we need more of this to build truly cohesive communities. Keep it up!
well goddamn now i know why you havent been uploading, good shit man
Sisyphus55 movie time
It's been 4 years since I started organizing and I never would've reached this point if it wasn't for creators like Contrapoints whose primary target audience were alt right radicalized gamers that could still be pulled out of that harmful ideology. I'm currently an activist in my home country; we believe in MLM and at first I was rightfully skeptical about it, but I learned to be open about learning it because this leans to what I was taught by leftist UA-camrs.
But I get that my case is different from others, I was lucky to have a friend who was already getting into activism. But I can't deny that it's because of me wanting to converse about the topics I learned on breadtube videos that people found me likely to join our collective.
I am grateful for creators like you that have dedicated themselves to spreading ideas that free the masses from the mental jail of capitalism. I just hope that besides the so-called "intellectual masturbation" of discourse will be more often paired with calls to action and for the creators themselves to show that they have also taken action.
On ground massworking will ALWAYS be more effective and must always be our primary method of organizing
Your content is great. Im always excited to click your stuff when it comes up