I'm not sure what 2K solvent poly you have used but it feels better in every way vs a precut lacquer. Lacquer is cold and hard. 2k poly is warm, soft, and velvety, it feels more like satin impervo.
Not an entirely fair comparison as MDF is much denser and far less porous than wood. On old wooden cabinets (oak) I might apply 4-5 coats (2 primer + 3 pre-cat) if using white. MDF is never more than 3 with the same product.
I can send you a pic of a job I just did. Maple doors w/ mdf panel and looks like glass. One primer coat sand two coats of precat. Sounds like your using crap primer. Did one boxx the wrong color, resprayed it one evening and reinstalled it the next morning sooooo
Thank you for the response. I appreciate it very much. Do you ever use 2 k poly that’s water based and I was wondering if so how the look and feel compares to the solvent base. Thanks for the input and love the videos.
@@jasonadams6442 yes. I have used multiple 2K WB polys. They are really good. If I were to put a number to it. I would say WB polys are 80-85 maybe 90 of solvent coatings.
The place I work at only has ever used CV. Boss want to try poly. I have never used poly, still pretty green in finishing. With 2k poly if applying a second coat are you required to sand between coats? Also what can the DFT be. The CV I use has a maximum of 6 mils. Stuff looks good though. Would love to be able to go one and done.
The scratch and chipped resistance of the 2K Pauly absolutely dominates over the lacquer. The reason being polyurethane residents are more flexible and the hardner gives it better scratch resistant.
hold up a minute... what is door number 2 made of? not a fair comparison if one is oak other is mdf... oak grain is a bitch to kill out and need auqacoat or something similar...
Sorry, about the delayed repose, neither was oak. one was full poplar and the other was poplar frame with mdf panel if I remember correctly. That project was from a while back. Got more videos coming soon as I am getting back to what I love. Education, training, and learning.
The lacquer primer and topcoat we’re both made by Gemini, who in my opinion is extremely well at lacquers. It was not a bad batch, the word was paint green poplar. A couple of the main differences in 2K Polyurethane versus Lacquer is the volume song. The solids in Wacker is typically in the teens to low 20s and 2K polyurethane is usually in the 30-40s. All lacquers have a maximum dry film thickness of five mills and 2K polyurethane have no stated maximum dry film thickness. Simply put 2K polyurethane‘s are a better wood coating than lacquers.
@@thebeardedfinisher My man you don't know how much value I got from your videos and comments. I was considering between the Geminis Lacquer and Geminis Eclipse waterbase 2k.
No offense but the lacquer looks much better and real where the poly looks the mdf that it is also if the lacquer was done on mdf that would be a fair comparable as we can see the grain on the lacquer confirming your lacquer sample is not mdf and still looks awesome
I guess that depends on the look you want. Personally when I am applying a pigmented topcoat I don't want to see any woodgrain. That is what stain and/or clear coat are for. I'm not saying precat lacquer is not a good product, it has its place in the market but I can say with confidence that solvent 2K poly will outperform precat in every aspect; durability, ease of use, scratch mar, chemical, feel, etc. You name it and 2K poly will beat precat. Not to mention that you don't have to worry about DFT. Thanks for the convo, I love talking coatings.
Weird how his comparing a one piece mdf to a door that clearly is made out of wood, ofcourse the mdf will look smoother wtf 😳 😂
a peak at the flat panel tells that story, rails crappy, panel smooth.
My MDF cabinets have a better finish them my new car
@tmilholin7552 well yea, most cars unless they are luxury they will have a orange peel on them, car paint is more treaky than cabinet paint
I only use pre catalyzed lacquer or conversion varnish. The 2k doesn't look and feel like a professional finish from what I've seen
I'm not sure what 2K solvent poly you have used but it feels better in every way vs a precut lacquer. Lacquer is cold and hard. 2k poly is warm, soft, and velvety, it feels more like satin impervo.
Not an entirely fair comparison as MDF is much denser and far less porous than wood.
On old wooden cabinets (oak) I might apply 4-5 coats (2 primer + 3 pre-cat) if using white.
MDF is never more than 3 with the same product.
I use one coat of sealer and three coats of precast. Only a beginner but results are flawless.
I can send you a pic of a job I just did. Maple doors w/ mdf panel and looks like glass. One primer coat sand two coats of precat. Sounds like your using crap primer. Did one boxx the wrong color, resprayed it one evening and reinstalled it the next morning sooooo
You put the poly on mdf
Is this a 2 k solvent based poly. Looks great
Yes sir it is.
Thank you for the response. I appreciate it very much. Do you ever use 2 k poly that’s water based and I was wondering if so how the look and feel compares to the solvent base. Thanks for the input and love the videos.
@@jasonadams6442 yes. I have used multiple 2K WB polys. They are really good. If I were to put a number to it. I would say WB polys are 80-85 maybe 90 of solvent coatings.
The place I work at only has ever used CV. Boss want to try poly. I have never used poly, still pretty green in finishing. With 2k poly if applying a second coat are you required to sand between coats? Also what can the DFT be. The CV I use has a maximum of 6 mils. Stuff looks good though. Would love to be able to go one and done.
The 2k poly is great, won’t crack like cv does if you spray too thick. Using Renner waterbase 634 primer and 688 topcoat from Timberlane
How is the scratch and chip resistance of 2K poly vs lacquer?
The scratch and chipped resistance of the 2K Pauly absolutely dominates over the lacquer. The reason being polyurethane residents are more flexible and the hardner gives it better scratch resistant.
hold up a minute... what is door number 2 made of? not a fair comparison if one is oak other is mdf... oak grain is a bitch to kill out and need auqacoat or something similar...
Sorry, about the delayed repose, neither was oak. one was full poplar and the other was poplar frame with mdf panel if I remember correctly. That project was from a while back. Got more videos coming soon as I am getting back to what I love. Education, training, and learning.
What was the the laquer primer and top coat, and did you have to thin it? Maybe a bad batch? What was the wood? Not too good huh?
The lacquer primer and topcoat we’re both made by Gemini, who in my opinion is extremely well at lacquers. It was not a bad batch, the word was paint green poplar. A couple of the main differences in 2K Polyurethane versus Lacquer is the volume song. The solids in Wacker is typically in the teens to low 20s and 2K polyurethane is usually in the 30-40s. All lacquers have a maximum dry film thickness of five mills and 2K polyurethane have no stated maximum dry film thickness. Simply put 2K polyurethane‘s are a better wood coating than lacquers.
@@thebeardedfinisher 33 years and still learning with all the new low VOC finishes required in CA. Thanks for the videos.
@@thebeardedfinisher My man you don't know how much value I got from your videos and comments. I was considering between the Geminis Lacquer and Geminis Eclipse waterbase 2k.
I just used the precat on my cabinets. It stinks like bloody hell, and probably gave me liver cancer but looks nice. but I did 3 coats
3 yrs late but, Apples to Apples Brother
No offense but the lacquer looks much better and real where the poly looks the mdf that it is also if the lacquer was done on mdf that would be a fair comparable as we can see the grain on the lacquer confirming your lacquer sample is not mdf and still looks awesome
I guess that depends on the look you want. Personally when I am applying a pigmented topcoat I don't want to see any woodgrain. That is what stain and/or clear coat are for. I'm not saying precat lacquer is not a good product, it has its place in the market but I can say with confidence that solvent 2K poly will outperform precat in every aspect; durability, ease of use, scratch mar, chemical, feel, etc. You name it and 2K poly will beat precat. Not to mention that you don't have to worry about DFT.
Thanks for the convo, I love talking coatings.
Except isocyanate means you need an air fed mask with pu?
No mention of isocyanates bud?