I strongly disagree with going with plug-in hybrids. They suffer from all the problems of ICE cars (because they ARE ICE cars), and also have a battery, so they have all the maintenance costs associated, and end up being less efficient, because of the extra weight. They end up not being good ICE nor good electric cars. Driving in Portugal you can get from one end of the country to the other with one stop for charging, basically - you'd stop more times for resting, eating going to the bathroom..etc, anyway. If only our stupid laws that forbid Tesla to open new SuC were revoked... There is a petition to that effect, I wish everyone would sign it.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of reasons to buy a hybrid when public DC fast charging prices make the per mile cost the same for a gas or ev when driving long distances. A hybrid makes simple arithmetic financial sense if it has 50+ miles battery range and gets 35mpg on the highway. You save the same for local trips by charging at home. You spend the same money on long road trips but you skip broken chargers, waiting in line, 30+ minute multiple charging stops and planning where to stop to find a charger. This works for those people who buy or lease a new car every 3 to 5 years. Maintenance won't matter. Ev heavy depreciation will be avoided. I own a Model 3. I want to see DC charging prices go down.
@@eb1888.Where do you live? I paid 0,27€ per KWh at the supercharger this morning. Costs vary a lot but charging at a Tesla supercharger is usually much cheaper still than paying for gasoline in my country (Portugal). Unfortunately we only have the old superchargers and Tesla can’t open more due to the legislation. But the worst problem this causes is crowded superchargers at times, especially in the summer. Yet you can go from Portugal to Norway and charge on superchargers all the way for a lot less than what you would pay for gas. And not to mention the savings on maintenance.
@@LICHINHO Be vigilant. An oil company like Shell can buy a charging network and raise prices to be comparable with gas. I'm in the US. 0.41 cents with a recent 20% Supercharger price increase. Now the same per mile as driving a gas car for long distance travel.
I agree that Hybrids aren't as efficient as pure ICE or pure EV - but it really depends on your use case. If you are mostly doing short commutes daily (under 100km) and then from time to time do a long trip. The Hybrid will allow you to achieve both easily with minimal stopping time. Fortunately as you say, in Portugal you can charge at SuC for very cheap but this isn't the case everywhere - so if you were somewhere where there are no SuC chargers nearby (e.g. Lisboa / Porto) - actually having a Hybrid might help you save overall since you can charge at home for cheap for your commutes and then when you drive far, you use fuel.
The main issue for me with plug-in hybrids is the need to replace the battery after about 150 000 km on the odometer. This is because a battery (e.g. NMC battery) only can take a certain number of cycles regardless of the size. A plug-in hybrid has a very small battery which is used, cycled, all the time. Thus a plug-in hybrids small battery may only provide power for about 100 000 km after which it needs to be replaced because of degradation. These battery swaps cost about the same as swapping for example a Tesla model 3 battery pack. Plug-in hybrids make no sense from a first principles perspective also because of complexity from having all the components of an ICE car and all the components of an EV.
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I just did a trip from Viseu to Barcelona and Valencia and back, with the same car but 18'' wheels, charging stops were between 15 min to 45 min, and it was a breeze. Cost me just 120€ to do 2400km and was a very nice trip. I don't really mind stopping for 30min every 300km or so because of the amount of money we're saving by not using fossil fuel, having maintenance, etc. For me it's been a good experience so far. :)
It's folly to keep charging when the charging speed is reduced because the battery is getting full. Look at the Out of Spec videos where Kyle shows you how to charge in the most efficient way. Stay in the part of the charging curve where you get the highest charging speeds. An ev is not the same as a gas car. You can improve your charging experience.
I just ordered a model 3 sr same as yours, I’m wondering about your trip back if you can make it to Porto without charging. Something that I’m wondering, that cable in that you use in the hotel for charging, can you use it in rainy conditions outside? Because I see that the lower pins of the car plug are not covered.
Hi Joao, thank you for watching - yes I'm sure it's okay to use in the rain outside - I don't think the bottom pins would be active anyways. I wasn't actually able to film the next trip as I wasn't able to charge to 100% and the road conditions were horrible due to the storms - I will make another trip soon where I test this :)
Hello mate! Can you just activate cruise control but with autopilot off? I mean just set the speed automatically but without autopilot on. Thank you! Keep up the good videos! :
Hi Jose! Thank you for watching my videos! Yes you can just have Traffic-Aware Cruise Control (TACC) if you change the autopilot setting to be a double press on the right wheel instead of single press. This way the first press activated TACC and the subsequent one activates Autopilot, also TACC can do up to 160kph. See more info here: www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_gb/GUID-20F2262F-CDF6-408E-A752-2AD9B0CC2FD6.html#GUID-842DBF70-E101-4250-8CA5-DCE6135D7149
Bro I had a couple of trips from Enschede to Breda and then to Amsterdam. I would not have made it because charging would have taken up so much time. It’s about 700km round trip.
Because of misinformation about battery longevity, evs are taking a big depreciation hit from new prices except where manufacturers are trying to sell off stock. I'd look at 2 year old Model Y prices for low mileage examples. Some new lease deals are exceptionally good. Kia EV6 is one. Do the math and figure your total cost. In two years you can buy a used Model 3 Highland or who knows what else.
The economical path is to buy a low mileage used Tesla. The big depreciation will already have occurred. Lease a new car like a Kia EV6. No problem with depreciation because Kia is offering big price reduction deals.
I strongly disagree with going with plug-in hybrids. They suffer from all the problems of ICE cars (because they ARE ICE cars), and also have a battery, so they have all the maintenance costs associated, and end up being less efficient, because of the extra weight. They end up not being good ICE nor good electric cars. Driving in Portugal you can get from one end of the country to the other with one stop for charging, basically - you'd stop more times for resting, eating going to the bathroom..etc, anyway. If only our stupid laws that forbid Tesla to open new SuC were revoked... There is a petition to that effect, I wish everyone would sign it.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of reasons to buy a hybrid when public DC fast charging prices make the per mile cost the same for a gas or ev when driving long distances. A hybrid makes simple arithmetic financial sense if it has 50+ miles battery range and gets 35mpg on the highway. You save the same for local trips by charging at home. You spend the same money on long road trips but you skip broken chargers, waiting in line, 30+ minute multiple charging stops and planning where to stop to find a charger. This works for those people who buy or lease a new car every 3 to 5 years. Maintenance won't matter. Ev heavy depreciation will be avoided. I own a Model 3. I want to see DC charging prices go down.
@@eb1888.Where do you live? I paid 0,27€ per KWh at the supercharger this morning. Costs vary a lot but charging at a Tesla supercharger is usually much cheaper still than paying for gasoline in my country (Portugal). Unfortunately we only have the old superchargers and Tesla can’t open more due to the legislation. But the worst problem this causes is crowded superchargers at times, especially in the summer. Yet you can go from Portugal to Norway and charge on superchargers all the way for a lot less than what you would pay for gas. And not to mention the savings on maintenance.
@@LICHINHO Be vigilant. An oil company like Shell can buy a charging network and raise prices to be comparable with gas. I'm in the US. 0.41 cents with a recent 20% Supercharger price increase. Now the same per mile as driving a gas car for long distance travel.
I agree that Hybrids aren't as efficient as pure ICE or pure EV - but it really depends on your use case.
If you are mostly doing short commutes daily (under 100km) and then from time to time do a long trip. The Hybrid will allow you to achieve both easily with minimal stopping time.
Fortunately as you say, in Portugal you can charge at SuC for very cheap but this isn't the case everywhere - so if you were somewhere where there are no SuC chargers nearby (e.g. Lisboa / Porto) - actually having a Hybrid might help you save overall since you can charge at home for cheap for your commutes and then when you drive far, you use fuel.
The main issue for me with plug-in hybrids is the need to replace the battery after about 150 000 km on the odometer. This is because a battery (e.g. NMC battery) only can take a certain number of cycles regardless of the size. A plug-in hybrid has a very small battery which is used, cycled, all the time. Thus a plug-in hybrids small battery may only provide power for about 100 000 km after which it needs to be replaced because of degradation. These battery swaps cost about the same as swapping for example a Tesla model 3 battery pack. Plug-in hybrids make no sense from a first principles perspective also because of complexity from having all the components of an ICE car and all the components of an EV.
I just did a trip from Viseu to Barcelona and Valencia and back, with the same car but 18'' wheels, charging stops were between 15 min to 45 min, and it was a breeze. Cost me just 120€ to do 2400km and was a very nice trip. I don't really mind stopping for 30min every 300km or so because of the amount of money we're saving by not using fossil fuel, having maintenance, etc. For me it's been a good experience so far. :)
I completely agree - the price difference is so huge here in Portugal (and Spain, I'm sure) between ICE and EV.
It's folly to keep charging when the charging speed is reduced because the battery is getting full. Look at the Out of Spec videos where Kyle shows you how to charge in the most efficient way. Stay in the part of the charging curve where you get the highest charging speeds. An ev is not the same as a gas car. You can improve your charging experience.
Charging at that 3rd party charger was so stupidly long to activate
I just ordered a model 3 sr same as yours, I’m wondering about your trip back if you can make it to Porto without charging. Something that I’m wondering, that cable in that you use in the hotel for charging, can you use it in rainy conditions outside? Because I see that the lower pins of the car plug are not covered.
Hi Joao, thank you for watching - yes I'm sure it's okay to use in the rain outside - I don't think the bottom pins would be active anyways.
I wasn't actually able to film the next trip as I wasn't able to charge to 100% and the road conditions were horrible due to the storms - I will make another trip soon where I test this :)
We have the same car en wil drive from Belgium to the south of France. 18” wheels.. looking forward to try out
Awesome! Enjoy your trip!!
Hello mate! Can you just activate cruise control but with autopilot off?
I mean just set the speed automatically but without autopilot on.
Thank you! Keep up the good videos! :
Hi Jose! Thank you for watching my videos! Yes you can just have Traffic-Aware Cruise Control (TACC) if you change the autopilot setting to be a double press on the right wheel instead of single press. This way the first press activated TACC and the subsequent one activates Autopilot, also TACC can do up to 160kph. See more info here: www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_gb/GUID-20F2262F-CDF6-408E-A752-2AD9B0CC2FD6.html#GUID-842DBF70-E101-4250-8CA5-DCE6135D7149
Thank you a lot mate!
Cheers!
Bro I had a couple of trips from Enschede to Breda and then to Amsterdam. I would not have made it because charging would have taken up so much time. It’s about 700km round trip.
Same car and did a trip of 320k in one charge and got home with 17%
Wow nice - 18" or 19" wheels - and what speeds?
@@europeinatesla 18" wheels with caps off. Trip took 4 hours so about 90km/h
Ahhh nice! Lower speeds can definitely easily achieve the distance. Thank you for watching and the response!
nice and informative vid 👍would you recommend the new model 3 as a first car?
Yes for sure! but what are your other options?
Because of misinformation about battery longevity, evs are taking a big depreciation hit from new prices except where manufacturers are trying to sell off stock. I'd look at 2 year old Model Y prices for low mileage examples. Some new lease deals are exceptionally good. Kia EV6 is one. Do the math and figure your total cost. In two years you can buy a used Model 3 Highland or who knows what else.
Thank god you are not screaming-talking like 9/10 do in these acoustically sharp cabins of the Teslas.
The economical path is to buy a low mileage used Tesla. The big depreciation will already have occurred. Lease a new car like a Kia EV6. No problem with depreciation because Kia is offering big price reduction deals.
Yeah, you need to quit using the on camera mic in this instance. The road noise, etc. is too loud and drowning out your voice.
I don't use the camera mic... it's the Rode Lapel mic