How I RECORD DRUMS in my HOME STUDIO | Drum Day
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Drum day is always the most exciting to me.
A mic down your stairs might be cool also!
Hello Andrew 👋 I love your work. Iam Cityboy Pandibeat I have been following you for 4years now. I watch all your videos and studio tours they have inspired me to be a better music Recording Engineer. Am currently based in Uganda East Africa. Code +256.
Blessings
Looking forward to that comparison between the Trident and the WA73s. If you haven't already recorded the next phase, wondering if you could talk through your process to check that all the mics are in phase. This is still such a mystery to me with my home drum recordings. Love this kind of content from this channel!
414’s on toms. A man of culture. 🤘🏻
Unless I've missed it, a video on how you tune your drums would be fantastic. They sound awesome. I have finally been able to get back into drums again and after so many years of not playing much, it almost feels like I'm learning for the first time again on some things. So that'd be cool man. 👍
Andrew: always crack the glue at the edges on remo heads, just press hard with your thumb undtil it crackles, before you seat them. It saves you hours of tuning. Back in the day you were probably told to tune them hard at first to get the cracks out, not needed with this method -- And they sound better right away
:-)
Excited to hear what you've got cooking with this current project!
Really like the snare sound. 👍🏼
great content dude. Looking forward to seeing you mixing in the trident
always super helpful, sound amazing!
The kit sounds incredible! Headphones are a must for this video imo. Really well done
When I was in high school (trumpet player), I got to hang out in the band room - a lot. I was always fascinated by the way drums sounded on songs on the radio. Why don't "real" drums sound like that I would ask. One day I started noodling around on the kit, using different things to muffle the drums. Out of nowhere, I got the idea to take the canvas tympani covers and lay them flat against the tom heads. WHAT!? That was the sound! I was in flam heaven! To this day, I NEVER have any disdain for how anyone might choose to "tone" their drums. Always keep an open mind. This is how those "miracles" happen in the studio. BTW, I did eventually go to college, earning a degree in recording. I really like your channel Andrew. I'm right down here in the Memphis area - might have to meet up with you someday!
YES!!! Thank you Andrew.yeah I love Trident consoles.
My hands down favorite song!
New heads sound good but bring out an issue with the floor Tom tuning. That annoying bowewww sound is usually an interval issue you can tune out. Changing the relationship from batter and reso head can nip that
Cool stuff! Sound amazing!!! 👊🏽
oh man, this is exactly what i want to see, i also have neve 1073s and a trident 80b. great content andrew!
Thank You Master Of All Things Music Man!!
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My go-to for controlling overtones of the snare is using a square piece of 2" tape and taping a guitar pick in the middle of the square tape. The pick has slightly more mass than just tape and the pick "floats" on the head. It does a lot and little at the same time.
Cool idea, good point about tape not involving much mass
COOL !! Kit sounds great . You pan from audience perspective (well if you're right handed👍 ) looking forward to hearing the pres shoot out with the desk .. Would be great to get a hold of some Api or even Bae Api types to A&B the sound for the punch
Those are visually striking drums, nice wood grain, the white inner ring just enough to set them apart, distinctive but not showy. The one-up one-down config with the tom mounted on a snare basket stand is classic, an absolute must---go big or go home. Yeah, the new heads sounded better but the old ones sounded like Led Zeppelin 4 so one gets backed into the Gordian corner of making a nuanced choice. Like any guitarist needs more than one guitar I'm convinced every drummer needs two kits, a barebones set-up like this as well as a more expansive one to channel their inner Bozzio when the spirit moves them. But, any drummer who has the luxury of two kits will tell you the 4-piece is harder to play.
Great video. Thank you 👍🇬🇧
the drums sound amazing even just thru the video here
Oh yeah these videos are epic! 🔥🔥🔥
I’d be interested to see how you go about setting EQ and compression on the way in when you are recording yourself playing drums. Getting levels could be done by eye but EQ and compression you’d need to hear which will be pretty hard when you are also playing the drums. Cheers!
Toms sound really good dude!!!
Love your videos!
This is the content I live for
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 great drums great vid!
Never noticed your logo light before, also very cool
Amazing all the content you do! I’ll love to see a real live session on your home studio
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Love your drum sound. :D
Totally off topic, but those mid century grey chairs are awesome. I want to buy a couple!
more of this please
Andrew, love your videos. I’m a drummer currently building a shed practice/ recording room, the units 24’x12 and would appreciate any tips to do this the right way and not break the bank at the same time. I’m going to video all the steps we are taking so maybe a video for you once were finished.
Looking forward to hearing more of the trident. What crash is that on the left? Sounds nice.
Wouldn't it be great to eat h stuff about home studios without this guy, Andrew. Masters who seems to be there every time you click on ,home studios?
Sorry I make content you want to click on so often lol.
What happens on drum day stays on drum day
Your drums sound great!!
I love the Trident sound. I personally vibe with it better than API.
If you ever get a chance to check out Audient stuff, I'd love to hear your thoughts. I think their mic pres and jfet DIs are arguably the cleanest on the market while still holding some character. Personally, my dream workflow would be a selection of Neve 1073, UA, and Trident A-Range channel strips going into some different classic compressor/limiters (Empirical, UA, TubeTech, SSL, etc.), and into an Audient ASP8024 console.
Love that you're mixing it from the audience perspective.
hey! what a great sound! i wonder if you triggered a snare in this particular occasion?
Nice channel. Here’s a tip for you. Roll your Gaffer’s tape, as if you wanted it to be double-sided tape. I generally tear a 2-3” piece and end up with a “pinky” sized piece. It’s a Gadd trick that I use on my, and many kit’s of people’s favorite drummers!
Man these drums sound great! Do you have a certain method or way you tune your snare? (like both heads to a certain pitch, or do you do it by using a dial, etc.?) I'm always having the hardest time figuring out if my bottom head is too high or not high enough lol.
this is dope !
Thanks man
This is perfectly timed for me, man. I’ve got a similar setup with my mic pres (Heritage Audio instead of Warm), and I’ve been really considering a Trident console. In fact, the video where you received it is one of the things that made me reconsider some other purchases (I’ve had my eye on that new Neve 8 channel pre). I really hate not being able to just walk into a store and A/B this stuff. So, thank you for doing this. Really looking forward to hearing the results.
Thanks for the great content. Liked and subbed. :)
Are you talking the Neve 1073OPX 8-channel Microphone Preamp with Remote Control, it seem cheap for under 4k, If I come into some free money I might have to snag one. I've got the cheep clones right now and a 500 rack for them. They sound good but I'm sure the Neve would blow them out of the water. But even the cheap clones compaired to just class A amps sound just huge on drums, guitar, bass, will everything. I would like to do a in the mix of real Neve preamps V's the cheap clone and set the whole mix the same and see how much differnce there is, and is it worth the extra bucks or not. It would be nice to have that Neve 1073 OPX with that Remote Control, that would be so nice.
Yooo this video was awesome. drums sound incredible. what mics are you using on the snare?
Man I miss mic up drum and guitars 🎸 when I was in school
Cool stuff!
I'm seeing a Telefunken mic in the video - is it a TF47 or a TF51? Hard to tell the color accurately. Which is it, and would you be so kind as to put a few words on what you think of it?
Good to hear Jack’s song getting recorded
Awesome sound!! Curious what you “desk” set up is like to the left of you while sitting at the drums - it looks perfect. Can you share your set up??
It's a standing table from amazon, I've made a few videos going over that that are on the channel. I think there's a few you can find now days. Mounted a second monitor via HDMI and a 2nd set of keyboard/mouse via bluetooth.
That drum kit sounds amazing!
Thanks!
very helpful thanks:))))
My favorite day is songwriting day!
Andrew, can you make a video talking about studio gear? I have a huge problem when it comes to studio gear, like overall. I know i can work with a budget console, an interface, studio monitors, headphones and a laptop, but i wanna get an insight on what I really need in a complete home studio.
Could you be more specific? Literally every video I make is on studio gear in some way shape or form.
Ultimate Studios Inc. records on trident preamps every day.
Hey: I listened closely on decent monitors. I LOVE the tom-toms! I prefer them undampened. At first I thought that those were AKG'S, but I'm guessing that those are Warm's remakes, right? Once you started playing at the end of the video I started liking the snare drum. Personally, I think the bass-drum could use a touch more "attack." Fet 47's are really great close up on the kick. Sometimes I can use just that one microphone (fet 47) on the kick, which is better for phase. Have you ever tried taking a mic and pointing at the drummr's (you, in this case) right knee? Check it out! I love your channel and watch every one of your videos. Also, try "really getting into" using the Trident on everything. I find that when I do all tracking on a good console, there's a "certain cohesiveness" that comes from that workflow. Sorry for bombarding you with all my opinions. Thank-you.
Thanks! Those are akg 414's on toms. Yeah i've used the crotch mic for a long time, in fact this is the first session I changed it up in a while. The kick beater blend is just a matter of taste, I have the kick in mic pulled down a bit lower in this specific bounce of the drums, bringing it up a few dB makes it much more present. It'll be cool to see where it winds up as the song comes together.
Try a mic at the bottom of the stairs to crush for a huge drum sound!
I thought you’d bought that console. Are you liking it enough to buy?
hey andrew! do you not gate the drums? thanks
I'm expecting the difference in sound between the different preamps will be indistinguishable.
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When I record drums I use the Ringo Starr / Glen John's Abbey Road 4 microphone set-up, simple and easy to use, no phasing issues and nice and clean.
Isn’t that originally 3 mics; overhead, floortom area, and kick? Or you’re maybe adding snare mic
Oof. New heads are rough. Old heads are too but there's that sweet spot in the middle.
hey ! big question! what are u using as an ADA converter here ? audio interfsce? wich one?
I’ve been rocking the apollo x16s for the past few years
Looked at the gear list, and didn't see any stereo mic bars! Which ones are you using?
It’s apart of the AEA N8 kit, AEA makes a stereo bar better suited for any mics. Hoping to get that soon!
What hi hat do you you use?
Why not use a splitter for the drum mics and go into both the Warm Audio Pres and the Trident Pres so you can get a true comparison? If you come back and re-record the drums on the Trident after using the Warm Audio will not be an apples to apples comparison because you may play differently the second time. Using a microphone splitter and going through both Warm Audio and Trident then record both then it will be a true apples to apples comparison.
BTW, I love the new set up. 👍🏽
I don't do anything apples to apples haha. I'm not that guy. Appreciate it!
What's your kick out mic there, Lauten Clarion?
Nice! Good eye, yes.
Really cool and helpful! Why do you use one overhead instead of two?
Do you mean one stand? There are two mics on the stand.
@@AndrewMasters oh! Totally didn’t catch that. I just saw the one stand, and assumed one mic. Just watched it again, and saw both👍 That!: a sweet stand though! What is it?
Andrew, when you do the shootout hopefully you will gain match the preamps using a signal generator. It is important to not fool the listener's ears by one preamp being louder than the next. I'm no scientist, but even a .10 dB difference in the preamp levels over the course of your 12 mics would yield a substantial and unfair advantage. That's at a minimum. Pie in the sky would be using transformer isolated splitters to make sure you capture the performance on both sets of preamps at the same time. Again, you hitting the drums quieter or louder (even if minuscule) on a comparison take would be a truly unfair A/B. Love the channel btw!
Yeah, with all do respect I would never do that practically. When I use a piece of gear I'm not using it for some sterile comparison purpose as I would never use the gear like that practically. I will always use the gear exactly how I would use it on a session for the performance in the way that's best for the song. Essentially "steel man"ing each unit and then comparing the best of both. That's how it makes sense to me.
@@AndrewMasters As a creator myself I don't do that either -- no one does. I was just pointing out that I could easily make some cheap Amazon/Behringer/Samson/HotGarbageTrash channel strips sound better than your Warms and Trident console if I goosed the right EQ and they were louder on playback. Really, I was just suggesting that if you don't do it scientifically then you shouldn't call it a shootout or even a comparison -- maybe call it a "personal workflow exhibition"?!? Lol. Looking forward to it!
What stereo bar are using to mount your overhead?
It’s the kit bar that comes with the AEA N8 stereo kit. It’s really just designed for those mics - I just ordered their 17” stereo bar made for any mics. Pumped for it!
@@AndrewMasters thanks Andrew!
How much emphasis do you place on phase alignment in post? I keep hearing pro mixers say a “simple cure” for weak drum tracks is phase aligning all mics in post but I’m not sure if it’s worth the effort.
I generally do none, I put all the time on the front end to make sure my phase is as close as possible using mic placement. Thinking about doing some sort of mini video course on this and other drum recording topics.
@@AndrewMasters yeah that would be a good subject to touch on. Like when re-amping, I can see the point there because of the micro delay causing phasing issues. But how you achieve phase alignment on live drums with so many mics at so many distances. Maybe not the most exciting of videos but certainly educational.
@@AndrewMasters Please do!
Resos are extremely important to
How did you treat that snare?....it sounds really good!
6:06
@@AndrewMasters At the end you are playing a snippet of the groove...those are not raw tracks and if you say they are I will go to my studio and smash everything, I hear reverb on the snare.
@@dreib9660 room mic?
@@dreib9660 hahaha well don’t do that. You are correct. I pretty much never listen to drum tracks raw, as I wouldn’t use them raw in a song. There is for sure some compression happening on the drum bus, kick mics are bussed together, snare mics, and the rooms have some sauce happening on them as well. Nothing I haven’t shown in other drum videos on the pro tools side. No reverb though, just pumping rooms.
@@dreib9660 I would guess that the room mics have a lot to do with it.. especially when putting some dampening on a snare, a lot of times you need some room sound to liven it.
As a Drummer, it is amazing to see how you’re killing the vibes of your kit and expects resurrection afterward. Don’t you think that all snares closed to your kit also play with you ?
I have no idea what you just said.
@@AndrewMasters Sorry for being unclear … The rubber removes harmonics of everything tom but the snares stored on the shelf are free to resonate when you hit your own snare. I have no experience in recording a drumset but I would start by separating it from other pieces of drumset and minimise damper, adding it step by step. This is just the view of a drumer who spends lots of money in mapple thin shells, expecting resonating living kit at the end. Anyhow, I highly appreciate your work !
@@mentalo7929 I understand where you’re coming from. However not every song calls for a completely open and resonant drum set. Especially in the studio. Dampening, taping and completely muffling drums happens on nearly every single drum session depending on the song.
was that a TF51 at the start of the video?'
Sure is, good eye! Used it on acoustic guitar. Sounds great.
@@AndrewMasters ouuu it must sound awesome on vocals also !!
Hi Andrew - What mics do you use on snare?
Beyerdynamic m201 on top, senheiser md441 on btm
@@AndrewMasters Thank you! :) Just curious, what made you select the M201 vs. a SM57?
honestly a better comparisonwould be to split the mic signal and use BOTH pres at the same time so its the exact same performance.
I think I may wind up doing that!
you forgot tha bad at the end track...it was so good at the begining
forgot tha bad?
what is the size of this room? 24x24 maybe
19' x 19'!
What inner kick mic did you say?
beyerdynamic m88
Andrew, my son wants to know what plants you have on your studio!
Most of them are fake, so i'm not sure exactly. I think I got them at hobby lobby. I have one live plant but my wife bought it - not sure!
@@AndrewMasters I'll let him know!!!
With all that dampening why change the heads?
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Andrew... You have high end patchbays. why didn't you just set the drums to mult out to both warm and the trident. then you'd have a real comparison. not a different performance.
"... From Sweetwater. They sent it over for me to have and review..." should that be interpreted as they are loaning or gave it to you? As a 20 year studio owner, I've never been in a position to drop 20k on any single element of my studio after the build-out inside the building I rent. I'll admit that I was pretty demoralized by that first video about this console. It wasn't envy, it was just a big case of WTH am I doing wrong? I invested in a Trinnov last year and I couldn't be happier but it still hurts to see how shallow my well remains.
He's just a sweetwater sales rep in disguise as a normal studio owner....it's the new marketing technique used to make you think this is just a normal guy making reviews....he owns none of this equipment.....everywhere you look it's product placement.....all brought to you by sweetwater sound....so don't feel bad.
Damping! Not "dampening"! Unless you are using water or beer on your drums!
How close are your neighbors? Wanting to record at home but worried about annoying people
I always ask for forgiveness instead of permission. They are fairly close, but not right next to each other. They all love music and follow the channel funny enough.
I record at home but I for sure asked what hours were best to not record or practice.
I also did my fair sure of acoustic treatment and sound absorption to help minimize it.
If you can get some audimute sound blankets and some thing to hang them up with and it helps a lot
Doingcomparisoncomprasion but not recording the exact same performance with both doesn't seem like that great of an idea to me. Even as an experienced drummer, the difference between the performances is almost certainly going to be larger than the difference between the pres. Unless of course you heavily distort them, but even then recording the same performance twice would make a lot more sense.
Only $1,800 not bad.
Step 1: spend about 150k
Nobody shows how the hek they plug into each other
XLR cable
I'm so torn on this. On one hand, why spend all the money to have beautiful drums like that, just to choke the life out of them with all that muffling? On the other hand, do what you gotta do to get the sound you want for the project. haha.
5:02 --- IMHO... heads are toooo loooose.... tighten them up a bit to get more tone and stick response... My go to tuning = find where the top head sings the best for that size drum, and then tune the top heads slightly tighter than the bottom heads... then tweak for optimal tone/sustain/etc.............................
I hate those consoles. So badly built. Loads of crosstalk too.
Another Sweetwater salesman channel? No thanks
Appreciate you stopping by.
Resos are extremely important to