for the people who are saying that he's not one of the best in the game, this was the 2013 season, after he won the triple crown. So at the time, yes, he was one of the best.
Steven Juris wait till next year, he's been hurt the whole year, if he's fully healthy for the majority of the season next year he will be a force again, this is like the 1st time since his rookie year that he's not batting 300 or hitting 30+ homers
Jim leyland was so overrated. Before he came to a extremely talented Detroit teen he was a well below .500 manager. With the talent he had in pitching staff we should have won a couple world championships but he didn't know how to manage a pitching staff.
This exact same thing happened about a week ago. Cabrera was tossed in the middle of an AB because he was pissed that the ump didn't appeal w/ the ump at 1st base. Ausmus came out to argued and he was tossed too.
It looks like Cabrera was given some leeway with what he was saying. I'm guessing the ump finally said, "OK, you said your piece, now that's it," and Cabrera kept going. As Jonah Platt pointed out, you can't argue balls & strikes.
Matt Jones It's not umpires thinking they're the show. it's umpires tired of a single player thinking he's the show. it's a team game, and some umps dont wanna put up people like miggy and even manny ramirez. Idk if you've ever delegated a shift, event, etc. but there's nothing worse than someone who heckles you over opinion
Umpires like this infuriate me. I totally understand that they have the right to throw you out, but Miggy also has the right to talk with the umpire and have a grievance with the calls. It was a bad call, but not a TERRIBLE one. I get pissed off at umps like Gorman because they don't seem to care that the tens of thousands of people in the crowd aren't there to see them. Many/most of them are there to see the only Triple Crown winner since the 1960's. I mean, this is the TOP OF THE FIRST INNING and he is robbing these fans of a chance to see one of the greatest players in league history. With age comes arrogance, just look at Joe West.
chris7394123 Because if the player asks for it an umpire should have enough respect for that player to at least turn his head 3 inches and point his finger at the first base umpire to double-check.
Oh Buddy But at the same time its the home plate umpires call to make, and Gorman thought he didnt need the help. Miggy did take a swing, and I understand his greiveance, but its baseball. One game out of 162 nine times out of ten wont make a difference in the playoff race, epecially in the AL Central.
Oh Buddy Once the plate umpire says "yes he went", by rule there can be no appeal. Only if the plate umpire rules no swing is he allowed to ask for help.
"..by rule there can be no appeal". But the umpires aren't walking talking rulebooks. They are there to officiate and yes make sure people are following the rules, but since the early days of baseball umpires have allowed hitters, cacthers and managers to air their grievances because it's an emotional game.
Leyland was the best manager that mlb has ever seen. Back in 2013 there was a reunion with him and his original players. I was there for it. Brad sucks, I just want Jim back
He blatantly swung around. Some debate on what is a swing on a checked swing: some say if the barrel of the bat extends past the plate, other say if the hands extend past the plate, still others say if the barrel of the bat extends in front of the hands. Here, the barrel of the bat extended in front of the hands, but BOTH the barrel AND his hands extended in front of the plate. All boxes got checked there. And it doesn't matter if he got hit by the pitch during his checked swing attempt - what matters is the swing of the bat during the pitch. If you swung, you swung. That's a strike by rule....
He deserved to be tossed, whether the call was right or not, he cannot continue to argue. That's in the rules. If he swings in the umpire's judgement and keeps arguing, they are going to toss you. Grow up and take the call like a man.
R. Austin Gore It should. The tens of thousands of people in the stands didn't come to see Brian Gorman, they came to see players, especially Miguel Cabrera. As long as he's not being incredibly vulgar and disrespectful an umpire should have a cool enough head to take some gripe, especially in THE TOP OF THE FIRST INNING.
Oh Buddy Have you ever umpired? Have you played at the pro, college, or even high school level? Don't presume to know what an umpire at the MLB level should or shouldn't do.
chris7394123 No. But I have enough common sense to know that baseball at the pro level is a business as much as a sport and it shouldn't deprive fans of seeing an all-time great player just because an umpire has a short old-man fuse.
You don't have to "say something extremely vulgar" to get ejected. If you argue a strike (or in this case foul) call, which he appeared to be doing, a pitch or two after the incident and don't drop it, you're going to get tossed 9 out of 10 times. He did have a legitimate argument, and I'm not saying he was wrong on that front, but arguing a call like this to the ump wasn't a very good idea. It doesn't matter if he's "the best player in the game". He still has to follow the rules of the game. In this case, MLB rule 9.02. "(a) Any umpire’s decision which involves judgment, such as, but not limited to, whether a batted ball is fair or foul, whether a pitch is a strike or a ball, or whether a runner is safe or out, is final. No player, manager, coach or substitute shall object to any such judgment decisions."
Cabrera swung and got hit. From LL to MLB, that is a strike. Cabrera should know that. He got his explanation immediately after. He should have dropped it there. Continuing to jaw after the next pitch earned him an ejection. Cabrera was the only one behaving improperly.
No question Miggy went around. That said & he knew he did, he should've just kept his big mouth shut & finished his at bat. So he more less got his own ass tossed out of this one.
+defiantone There was no reason to toss him out, he wasn't impeding play to argue, nor was he saying anything vulgar. He would've been much more animated if he did so. There's no issue with disputing a call as long as you don't take it overboard, and you continue to play the game, which he didn't, and he did.
+EggianoScumaldo Rule of thumb when it comes to baseball & that is, you keep you're big mouth shut & don't try & show up the umpire or you get tossed. Simple but fact. I don't like it either, but that's just the way it works. That's why managers get the toss, whenever they argue balls & strikes. Simple but fact. Its like I said, Miggy should've just kept his big mouth shut & he didn't, & ya saw what the end result was.
+defiantone Problem with that is umpires SHOULD be shown up. And they should be okay with it. You can't have a tough (also highly exclusive) job, screw up, and not expect to take some heat for it. They should have thicker skin.
I know. That's what's wrong with baseball and sports in general. Officials are there to do a job, not put their finger on the scale and try to control who wins.
Y'all need to learn the rules. If you argue balls & strikes with an umpire, he can throw you out. And for everyone saying "he didn't swing", it was obvious that he did.
goodness shack how about a batter not swing pitch that going to hit him and still complain over the damn call come on he asking to be ejected he got it.... 100% right call by umpire miggy wouldn't shut it
You are 100% wrong. If hit by a pitch it does not matter if you swung at it, because your reflex will cause you to swing that bat itself if getting hit around the knee cap.
Since when does how good a player is affect if he should be thrown out? Players need to be held to the same standards. I hate power trip umps as much as the next guy, but im just saying
Announcers: OMG, our best player just got thrown out cause he wouldn't stop arguing with the umpire but it's the umpires fault. These guys are a joke. Blame anybody but the one responsible just cause he's a talented player.
***** But at some point you have to STOP. Cabrera kept going. Even after another pitch was thrown. The umpire gave him some leeway to say his piece but he didn't know enough to stop.
Knew he was wrong? You can't dispute check swings after the strike call has been made. You cannot argue it, it is in the rulebook and he did let him to know to stop. If you noticed, he cut it out started again after being warned. If the umpire let this go on it would be a long day.
He wasn’t arguing balls and strikes. He was arguing the fact he wasn’t even given the option of the 1st base umpire to call if his bat went over the plate.
Todd Dell it’s up to the home plate umpire, if he feels he didn’t get a good view, to grant the appeal and check to 1st base. If he is confident he by no means has to grant the appeal
"high profile hitters" are bound by the same rules! The guy went on the pitch that hit him...that would be a ..strike. Then he argued the judgement call thus earning him an all expense paid trip to the parking lot! These announcers are a joke!
Well he definitely swung and the replay made that clear, so I don't know why he would even argue that. I think the umpire was thinking the same thing, which is why he decided to give the ejection. The ump made the correct call, everyone knew it, yet he was getting bullied for it. What's he supposed to do?
Cabrera talking to an umpire about a weird play isn't him harassing him. He was wondering why he didn't ask for help. And then he said "he said I went, okay" got back in the box, said 3 words after a pitch and got ejected? It's the teams best player in the 1st inning. These old guys at the corners ruin the sport this way. It takes away from competitive integrity in every way.
While I don't understand a lot about what goes on with the umpiring profession or the rules they have to learn, I understand enough to know that you can't argue certain things. All the people here who are criticizing the ump on his decision to eject Cabrera need to look at this from the ump's pov as well before just hating on him.
The "best player in the game" doesn't get special treatment, or shouldn't. You can't argue balls & strikes. Basic 101. I'm not saying he was, but if he was the rules are the rules.
Unfortunately, it was a strike. The bat crossed the plane of the plate clearly, whether or not he broke his wrists. It may have been a weak ejection, but if you keep talking, you're going to get tossed. Think these guys would know that by now.
At that point, Leyland, one of the base coaches or Fielder has to get Cabrera away from Gorman. When he starts using his bat and helmet to point at the official's face, that's when you get your slugger out of there.
The umpires have way too much power to eject. This needs to be reduced, especially over calls of strikes or balls. If replay clearly shows its a ball and the ump calls a strike, how can one get it over ruled?? Its a glaring huge hole here. Someone also suggested to start using a electronic strike and ball zone that can adjust based on the players height. Its one way to eliminate home plate umpire. Since they have replay for outfielders, infielders, runners etc., its time to use replay for strike and ball calls as well. You will need a camera that looks straight down and one out straight out from center field looking at the line from pitching rubber to home plate.
I love of the "experts" you as a player cannot argue with umpires period. Coaches can argue field calls and plays at home. Only managers can argue ball strike calls.
The announcers are biased but what is worse the are STUPID! An offensive player can not ask for an appeal on a check swing. Also on a check swing when an appeal is asked by the defense the umpire under OBR is required to grant the appeal. This however is only for checked swing not for example a play at first.
The rule states if the batter offered at the pitch then it’s a swing. No where in the rule does it say or suggest swinging half way across the plate or not. Announcers have been ignorant of this rule since day one.
Steven Juris Its safe to say he has the best left to right moving slider in the big leagues. If not just the best slider of any pitcher. Pineda as a right hander, has a harder slider and has more downward movement, but i dont know of anyone who can move a pitch side to side with more movement than sale, lefty or righty.
Commentater- This is the 2nd time Miguel Cabrera ha been thrown out in the middle of at bat. Me- Well, maybe if he'd learn to keep his mouth shut, and just play the game, that wouldn't be a problem.
You know what, everybody's all arguing about the umpires and their ego. It's HIS call! If I had to call that HELL YEAH he frickin swung! He made the call, deal with it and play! You keep arguing with the ump GTFO! Whiny Cabrera and the Tigers.
I don’t understand why it matters if he swung or not when he was hit in the leg? I could understand the arm or hand or whatever, but how does his leg effect it? It would’ve probably been hit whether he swung or not...
Maple Ridge Mafia If you knew the rules you would know the umpire got the call right. Both you and Miggyy should learn the rules before you run off at the mouth. Umpire was correct, Miggy earned another ejection.
Lmfao! Over rated are you a complete and utter idiot lmfao he is one of the best he gets intentionally walked more then any player because he's so good the guys a monster again another butthurt "fan" who's mad he doesn't play for their team
Yeah, he's the best player of the game, according to the broadcasters. Do they think that makes him immune to ejection? Give me a break. Bias always kills intelligent baseball.
He wasnt just the best player in the game at that point, he was the first triple crown winner in 45 years. The people who bought tickets wanted to see him play. To throw him out of the game in first inning because you didn't do what 95% of umpires do and call down to first, is absolutely ridiculous
So glad the MLB is speeding up the game. Hitters in baseball are the most spoiled athletes in sports. You play like 200 games and you have to have your own 10 minute zen session after every pitch? I mean my god...what the fuck is there to possibly think about every time? "Hmm....I bet he'll throw one of 4 or 5 pitches....fuck it here we go" *next pitch* "hmm...lemme just unstrap and strap my gloves for the 3rd time...I wonder what pitch he'll throw.....lemme just stretch the bat over my shoulders....alright fuck it here we go" shit is pretentious as hell, and so painful to watch. Thank you Major League Baseball!!!!
I like this rule, but I will not be in favor of a pitching clock if they introduce it. This, replay, and clock between innings, I like. Pitching clock and that stupid blocking the plate rule, not for me so much. Fuck you, Buster Posey.
"Best player in the game." Not in the league, the game. Has anyone thought that maybe he was talking about the specific game? They were playing the White Socks. Who else would be better IN THIS SPECIFIC GAME?
BruinsChampions2011 He meant the game of baseball because what he said was truth. Cabrera at this point in his career had already won an MVP and was getting another that season so during this he was, in fact the best player in the game, league, and all of baseball.
Cabrera shouldnt have bitched....but its not like he yelled... Umpire shouldnt have ejected him for that.... It is in Chicago, but some fans still paid to see Sale VS Cabrera, to eject him on a minor disagreement is not really fair to the fans who have paid to watch star players.... That was a nasty pitch by Sale...
***** That's bullshit and you know it. Just because you have power doesn't give you the right to abuse it. Umps like this need to be gone from the league, they ruin the game with their gigantic egos when they throw good players and coaches out of the game for almost nothing. I mean, if the player/coach screams in the man's face then yeah, that guy needs to be tossed no question, but not when the player/coach says one fucking sentence to the guy.
That's one of the big no no's in baseball and the ruling is, if you argue balls and strikes, it results in immediate ejection. I mean, what about players and their big egos as well.
***** Well it shouldn't, I've seen plenty of umpires that can take a little criticism about their strikezone without going ballistic. And the players' big egos don't end ruining the game.
Tim Peters The umpire could have ejected him when he first started arguing the call (which you CAN'T do), but he showed restraint and didn't. It wasn't until Cabrera started arguing a second time (it's pretty clear the umpire says SOMETHING to him before he gets tossed, which I'd assume was something like "Okay" or "Stop") that he got tossed. I'm also not sure what video you're watching, because the only person who "goes ballistic" in this video is Cabrera himself.
It doesn't matter if you're Miggy or someone just up from the minors for a cup of coffee, you argue balls and strike you're gone. If you argue whether you did or did not offer at a pitch, then yes you are arguing balls and strikes. The ump let him talk for a second, then he said something else after the next pitch.....see you!!!!
john mack Cabrera wasn't even arguing. He calmly told the umpire he disagreed with the call and the umpire ejected him. Umpires need to use better judgement and stop being so insecure and ejecting people over the littlest things.
I am guessing Miggy was just being a smart ass after the foul ball asking if that was a strike or if he swung there. But that's just my guess. I hope he didn't cuss him out.
haha your all mad at the announcers because they said miggys the best player and your arguing that he isn't? too funny your just not a fan and say anything against him even if I wasn't a tigers fan I'd say he is the best I mean seriously he's great. just like now I'd say mike trout is Prolly the best in the game right now same as Zach grenkie. don't deny how good he was... this wasn't 2015 it was 2013
As an umpire, venting anger by tossing someone after an insult or chirping before taking a deep breath but breathing afterwards is what I feel is more healthy.
i love the "jim's gonna get tossed too" when he's still super chill haha
Haha right lol
Yup lol
😂
for the people who are saying that he's not one of the best in the game, this was the 2013 season, after he won the triple crown. So at the time, yes, he was one of the best.
JoeyGamePro still is one of the best today
Miggy is the BEST player in the league.
still the best
Kellen nope
Steven Juris wait till next year, he's been hurt the whole year, if he's fully healthy for the majority of the season next year he will be a force again, this is like the 1st time since his rookie year that he's not batting 300 or hitting 30+ homers
I love Rod Allen. Nice when the commentator actually played and knows baseball.
Too bad he maybe might have tried to choke out Mario
Well good news is, Rod Allen is coming back to the booth.
@@jacobrichardson1952 And Brian Gorman retired
@@tigersfan14 isn't that the one who replaced Mario?
@@jacobrichardson1952 No he’s the home plate umpire in the clip.
Man i miss Leyland.
Jim leyland was so overrated. Before he came to a extremely talented Detroit teen he was a well below .500 manager. With the talent he had in pitching staff we should have won a couple world championships but he didn't know how to manage a pitching staff.
He definitely swung around, there. But it was pretty stupid to get tossed for being a little upset.
I think that half of his motion was just out of reaction from trying to avoid the pitch.
It was pretty stupid to continue jawing *after the next pitch.*
he kept going after the call was DONE. move on
this
tom gormon Brion chew him out 4 tht error
This exact same thing happened about a week ago. Cabrera was tossed in the middle of an AB because he was pissed that the ump didn't appeal w/ the ump at 1st base. Ausmus came out to argued and he was tossed too.
If a little calm arguing by a batter pisses off an umpire enough to eject him, that umpire needs to get his emotions in check.... Weak in the mind.
pretty much. he's not mad at cabrera, he's mad at his life
Also umpires thinking they're the show.
It looks like Cabrera was given some leeway with what he was saying. I'm guessing the ump finally said, "OK, you said your piece, now that's it," and Cabrera kept going. As Jonah Platt pointed out, you can't argue balls & strikes.
Matt Jones It's not umpires thinking they're the show. it's umpires tired of a single player thinking he's the show. it's a team game, and some umps dont wanna put up people like miggy and even manny ramirez. Idk if you've ever delegated a shift, event, etc. but there's nothing worse than someone who heckles you over opinion
Scott Marty he's arguing that the fatass behind the plate called it so strongly even though he has the worst angle to judge that.
i love how the manager wont get out of his face. not till hes ejected. That is how you stick up for your players..
I love Mario and Rod's reaction 😂
Umpires like this infuriate me. I totally understand that they have the right to throw you out, but Miggy also has the right to talk with the umpire and have a grievance with the calls. It was a bad call, but not a TERRIBLE one. I get pissed off at umps like Gorman because they don't seem to care that the tens of thousands of people in the crowd aren't there to see them. Many/most of them are there to see the only Triple Crown winner since the 1960's. I mean, this is the TOP OF THE FIRST INNING and he is robbing these fans of a chance to see one of the greatest players in league history. With age comes arrogance, just look at Joe West.
How was it a bad call?
chris7394123 Because if the player asks for it an umpire should have enough respect for that player to at least turn his head 3 inches and point his finger at the first base umpire to double-check.
Oh Buddy But at the same time its the home plate umpires call to make, and Gorman thought he didnt need the help. Miggy did take a swing, and I understand his greiveance, but its baseball. One game out of 162 nine times out of ten wont make a difference in the playoff race, epecially in the AL Central.
Oh Buddy Once the plate umpire says "yes he went", by rule there can be no appeal. Only if the plate umpire rules no swing is he allowed to ask for help.
"..by rule there can be no appeal". But the umpires aren't walking talking rulebooks. They are there to officiate and yes make sure people are following the rules, but since the early days of baseball umpires have allowed hitters, cacthers and managers to air their grievances because it's an emotional game.
Leyland was the best manager that mlb has ever seen. Back in 2013 there was a reunion with him and his original players. I was there for it. Brad sucks, I just want Jim back
sorry in 2014
You and me both man
Jim Bobson habs suck
Jim Bobson price is a bust
Jim Bobson galchenyuk is a bust should've drafted yakupov
He blatantly swung around. Some debate on what is a swing on a checked swing: some say if the barrel of the bat extends past the plate, other say if the hands extend past the plate, still others say if the barrel of the bat extends in front of the hands.
Here, the barrel of the bat extended in front of the hands, but BOTH the barrel AND his hands extended in front of the plate. All boxes got checked there. And it doesn't matter if he got hit by the pitch during his checked swing attempt - what matters is the swing of the bat during the pitch. If you swung, you swung. That's a strike by rule....
They swarmed that ump like they were Drill Instructors
He deserved to be tossed, whether the call was right or not, he cannot continue to argue. That's in the rules. If he swings in the umpire's judgement and keeps arguing, they are going to toss you. Grow up and take the call like a man.
Also, who cares if he is the best player in the game? Does that mean he gets a free pass?
R. Austin Gore God Damnit yes!!! well put
R. Austin Gore
It should. The tens of thousands of people in the stands didn't come to see Brian Gorman, they came to see players, especially Miguel Cabrera. As long as he's not being incredibly vulgar and disrespectful an umpire should have a cool enough head to take some gripe, especially in THE TOP OF THE FIRST INNING.
Oh Buddy Have you ever umpired? Have you played at the pro, college, or even high school level? Don't presume to know what an umpire at the MLB level should or shouldn't do.
chris7394123
No. But I have enough common sense to know that baseball at the pro level is a business as much as a sport and it shouldn't deprive fans of seeing an all-time great player just because an umpire has a short old-man fuse.
You don't have to "say something extremely vulgar" to get ejected. If you argue a strike (or in this case foul) call, which he appeared to be doing, a pitch or two after the incident and don't drop it, you're going to get tossed 9 out of 10 times. He did have a legitimate argument, and I'm not saying he was wrong on that front, but arguing a call like this to the ump wasn't a very good idea. It doesn't matter if he's "the best player in the game". He still has to follow the rules of the game. In this case, MLB rule 9.02. "(a) Any umpire’s decision which involves judgment, such as, but not limited to, whether a batted ball is fair or foul, whether a pitch is a strike or a ball, or whether a runner is safe or out, is final. No player, manager, coach or substitute shall object to any such judgment decisions."
Cabrera swung and got hit. From LL to MLB, that is a strike. Cabrera should know that. He got his explanation immediately after. He should have dropped it there. Continuing to jaw after the next pitch earned him an ejection. Cabrera was the only one behaving improperly.
Cabrera wouldn't leave it alone. That's why he was tossed. The ump let him have his say. Then ... Miggy kept it up. Gone dude.
No question Miggy went around. That said & he knew he did, he should've just kept his big mouth shut & finished his at bat. So he more less got his own ass tossed out of this one.
+defiantone There was no reason to toss him out, he wasn't impeding play to argue, nor was he saying anything vulgar. He would've been much more animated if he did so. There's no issue with disputing a call as long as you don't take it overboard, and you continue to play the game, which he didn't, and he did.
+EggianoScumaldo Rule of thumb when it comes to baseball & that is, you keep you're big mouth shut & don't try & show up the umpire or you get tossed. Simple but fact. I don't like it either, but that's just the way it works. That's why managers get the toss, whenever they argue balls & strikes. Simple but fact. Its like I said, Miggy should've just kept his big mouth shut & he didn't, & ya saw what the end result was.
+defiantone Problem with that is umpires SHOULD be shown up. And they should be okay with it. You can't have a tough (also highly exclusive) job, screw up, and not expect to take some heat for it. They should have thicker skin.
Maybe so. But if you try & show the umpire up, you'll get tossed more often times than not. Simple but fact.
I know. That's what's wrong with baseball and sports in general. Officials are there to do a job, not put their finger on the scale and try to control who wins.
Just once, I'd love to see a player say "fuck it" and lay out an umpire...
+bearmassaro In 1988, Pete Rose(as a manager) once shoved a ump and got 30 days suspension and $10,000. So I don't really think many would risk it.
Leads to huge suspension and major fine.
and there's Roberto Alomar who spat in the umpire's face.
that has happened, also players using bats on the blues has happened. You don't want to see that trust me.
Can I buy you a beer?
It could've been worse. The home plate umpire could've been Angel Hernandez. lol
Or Greg Gibson the home plate umpire motioning to both players...
+Tyler Martin With the Dodgers celebrating in their dugout.
+Dustin Pfarr lmao gets me every time 😂
Please no more nightmares
Or CB Bucknor
Y'all need to learn the rules. If you argue balls & strikes with an umpire, he can throw you out. And for everyone saying "he didn't swing", it was obvious that he did.
Umpire can throw you out for ANY arguing of balls and strikes.
+John Sieg Not arguing balls and strikes though bud. Umpires can throw players out for pretty much anything, but that doesn't mean it's fair.
Miggy was so fooled by the pitch that he swung at it even though it hit him in the knee, lol. Tip your hat to the pitcher and walk away.
TraGicLife Aren’t you a fucking ray of sunshine.
Chris Sale's definitely one of the better pitchers in the league in terms of control.
The home-plate umpire at U.S. Cellular Field on the southside of Chicago, Illinois was (#9/Brian Gorman), who is the son of the late Tom Gorman.
You're not allowed to argue balls and strikes
at 1:17 Miggy says thats F***ing Bulls**t
His english isn't the greatest but he sure knows how to cuss like Americans do lol
Some person said quit crying in the background to Miguel Cabrera. They were obviously drunk
BEST PLAYER IN THE GAME. RESPECT HIM. WHAT DO THEY DO FOR LEBRON? THEY MAKE TERRIBLE CALLS IN HIS FAVOR
I love how they go from professional announcers to disappointed homers at the 0:51 mark.
Yep
+Gradius6 I never liked Mario or Rod. They were always shills.
Mario is usually a really good announcer. I've never been a big fan of Rod Allen though.
Coming from a Tigers fan.
Rod Allen is dumb and a shill. Mario's okay except he misses some marks.
They are good unless something like this goes in.
Miggy should have his 3000 hit soon
The good news: Miggy and Jim GET ALL THE HOT WATER IN THE SHOWERS.
goodness shack how about a batter not swing pitch that going to hit him and still complain over the damn call come on he asking to be ejected he got it.... 100% right call by umpire miggy wouldn't shut it
You are 100% wrong. If hit by a pitch it does not matter if you swung at it, because your reflex will cause you to swing that bat itself if getting hit around the knee cap.
@@Daveyo747 Christopher is 100% correct and you are 100% wrong.
Since when does how good a player is affect if he should be thrown out? Players need to be held to the same standards.
I hate power trip umps as much as the next guy, but im just saying
LOL commentators implying he's "the best" so he gets to be a baby if he wants to. Give me a break.
Announcers: OMG, our best player just got thrown out cause he wouldn't stop arguing with the umpire but it's the umpires fault. These guys are a joke. Blame anybody but the one responsible just cause he's a talented player.
Except Cabrera wasn't even yelling. He was completely conversational, and it was the first inning.
***** I never said yelling. It can still be arguing without raising your voice. Judgment calls are not open for dispute.
***** But at some point you have to STOP. Cabrera kept going. Even after another pitch was thrown. The umpire gave him some leeway to say his piece but he didn't know enough to stop.
Scott Marty I think the ump just knew he was wrong, and had a short fuse to save face. It happens all the time.
Knew he was wrong? You can't dispute check swings after the strike call has been made. You cannot argue it, it is in the rulebook and he did let him to know to stop. If you noticed, he cut it out started again after being warned. If the umpire let this go on it would be a long day.
You can’t argue balls and strikes, period. Simple as that.
Sports in general need a serious review of their officials
He wasn’t arguing balls and strikes. He was arguing the fact he wasn’t even given the option of the 1st base umpire to call if his bat went over the plate.
Todd Dell it’s up to the home plate umpire, if he feels he didn’t get a good view, to grant the appeal and check to 1st base. If he is confident he by no means has to grant the appeal
Mike Grizz boxing is the most corrupt
Don't run your mouth and you get to stay in the game.
Sometimes it's worth it.
aka stfu man you dont know sports hahahaha if theres a bad call or especially a bad ejection, 99% of the time youre not going to stay quiet
Terrel Suggs I was an official for 22 years.
"high profile hitters" are bound by the same rules! The guy went on the pitch that hit him...that would be a ..strike. Then he argued the judgement call thus earning him an all expense paid trip to the parking lot! These announcers are a joke!
He argued balls and strikes. Then continued to argue. Rightfully tossed. Doesn't matter who you are.
And then your manager comes out to have your back knowing you're wrong. Love it
Well he definitely swung and the replay made that clear, so I don't know why he would even argue that. I think the umpire was thinking the same thing, which is why he decided to give the ejection. The ump made the correct call, everyone knew it, yet he was getting bullied for it. What's he supposed to do?
Try taking a 90 mph fastball to your Knee... Or was that a slider? Either way it still hurts like a bitch
Cabrera talking to an umpire about a weird play isn't him harassing him. He was wondering why he didn't ask for help. And then he said "he said I went, okay" got back in the box, said 3 words after a pitch and got ejected? It's the teams best player in the 1st inning. These old guys at the corners ruin the sport this way. It takes away from competitive integrity in every way.
What about
Don't argue balls and strikes did he not understand
While I don't understand a lot about what goes on with the umpiring profession or the rules they have to learn, I understand enough to know that you can't argue certain things. All the people here who are criticizing the ump on his decision to eject Cabrera need to look at this from the ump's pov as well before just hating on him.
Yeah there's a fine line between muttering something under his breath and just not letting it go
The "best player in the game" doesn't get special treatment, or shouldn't. You can't argue balls & strikes. Basic 101. I'm not saying he was, but if he was the rules are the rules.
This ejection is hilarious 🤣 as a Royals fan.
Best player may not always be best person
That ump is Atrocious
Why?? For making the correct call?
Unfortunately, it was a strike. The bat crossed the plane of the plate clearly, whether or not he broke his wrists. It may have been a weak ejection, but if you keep talking, you're going to get tossed. Think these guys would know that by now.
At that point, Leyland, one of the base coaches or Fielder has to get Cabrera away from Gorman. When he starts using his bat and helmet to point at the official's face, that's when you get your slugger out of there.
The umpires have way too much power to eject. This needs to be reduced, especially over calls of strikes or balls. If replay clearly shows its a ball and the ump calls a strike, how can one get it over ruled?? Its a glaring huge hole here. Someone also suggested to start using a electronic strike and ball zone that can adjust based on the players height. Its one way to eliminate home plate umpire. Since they have replay for outfielders, infielders, runners etc., its time to use replay for strike and ball calls as well. You will need a camera that looks straight down and one out straight out from center field looking at the line from pitching rubber to home plate.
Best player in the game,THAT'S THEIR OPINION....
What is this umpire’s name?
:57 "no f*cking way! no f*cking way man!
Am I the only person who found the announcers reaction kind of funny?
Umps like this need to be banned from the game. They are an embarrasment to the sport.
I love of the "experts" you as a player cannot argue with umpires period. Coaches can argue field calls and plays at home. Only managers can argue ball strike calls.
absolutely ridiculous. nothing he did warranted an ejection. he didn't say enough to be thrown out.
The announcers are biased but what is worse the are STUPID! An offensive player can not ask for an appeal on a check swing. Also on a check swing when an appeal is asked by the defense the umpire under OBR is required to grant the appeal. This however is only for checked swing not for example a play at first.
Jimmy got 5 steps into the tunnel before he lit up a Marlboro Red 😂
I love how whenever a Manager is arguing, the commentators always says, "He's going to get his money's worth". They all say it.
The rule states if the batter offered at the pitch then it’s a swing. No where in the rule does it say or suggest swinging half way across the plate or not. Announcers have been ignorant of this rule since day one.
The home plate umpire made a bad call. Chris Sale threw the baseball and baseball hit Miguel Cabera's right foot.
Does anyone know who ended up winning this game?
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You don't see many of these ejections anymore with the instant replay now.kinda takes some entertainment out of the game
I remember this game.
how do you swing at a pitch that hits you?
nevermind. That was that guy pitching, he has the best slider i have seen.
Sale is one of the toughest lefties in the game to hit. His stuff is just plain nasty.
Steven Juris
Its safe to say he has the best left to right moving slider in the big leagues. If not just the best slider of any pitcher. Pineda as a right hander, has a harder slider and has more downward movement, but i dont know of anyone who can move a pitch side to side with more movement than sale, lefty or righty.
Commentater- This is the 2nd time Miguel Cabrera ha been thrown out in the middle of at bat.
Me- Well, maybe if he'd learn to keep his mouth shut, and just play the game, that wouldn't be a problem.
1:18 Cabrera - "That's fucking bullshit"
No matter what happened before, Leyland stuck around WAAAYY to long. Just eventually ended up unnecessarily delaying the game.
You can tell what he said at 1:15
You know what, everybody's all arguing about the umpires and their ego. It's HIS call! If I had to call that HELL YEAH he frickin swung! He made the call, deal with it and play! You keep arguing with the ump GTFO! Whiny Cabrera and the Tigers.
Miggy is my favorite player in the mlb that was a stupid call by the ump
I would have deferred to the M&M's Yellow Nascar Jacket Guy
I don’t understand why it matters if he swung or not when he was hit in the leg? I could understand the arm or hand or whatever, but how does his leg effect it? It would’ve probably been hit whether he swung or not...
He swung, what is there to argue about?
Might be a hot hitter, but he's not the best. Being the best doesn't just mean getting hits and home runs, it's about class and respect too
Maple Ridge Mafia If you knew the rules you would know the umpire got the call right. Both you and Miggyy should learn the rules before you run off at the mouth. Umpire was correct, Miggy earned another ejection.
Alan Hess and like every other amazing players have not got trown out miggy 5 times dude
Miguel is overrated thinks he's Mr Baseball
No he Dosnt dumb ass. The guy never gives him self credit. Your just jealous that he his Mr. Baseball.
Well he is he won the triple crown! He could quit right now and go into the hall of fame! So you are wrong!!
Zac Velez you sure about that?
Lmfao! Over rated are you a complete and utter idiot lmfao he is one of the best he gets intentionally walked more then any player because he's so good the guys a monster again another butthurt "fan" who's mad he doesn't play for their team
TheLovable Goofs you just better hope that huge contract of his doesn't come back to bite you.
Easy call, he went around.
Yeah, he's the best player of the game, according to the broadcasters. Do they think that makes him immune to ejection? Give me a break. Bias always kills intelligent baseball.
Yea but he shouldn't have been ejected in the first place
He wasnt just the best player in the game at that point, he was the first triple crown winner in 45 years. The people who bought tickets wanted to see him play. To throw him out of the game in first inning because you didn't do what 95% of umpires do and call down to first, is absolutely ridiculous
So glad the MLB is speeding up the game. Hitters in baseball are the most spoiled athletes in sports. You play like 200 games and you have to have your own 10 minute zen session after every pitch? I mean my god...what the fuck is there to possibly think about every time? "Hmm....I bet he'll throw one of 4 or 5 pitches....fuck it here we go" *next pitch* "hmm...lemme just unstrap and strap my gloves for the 3rd time...I wonder what pitch he'll throw.....lemme just stretch the bat over my shoulders....alright fuck it here we go" shit is pretentious as hell, and so painful to watch. Thank you Major League Baseball!!!!
I like this rule, but I will not be in favor of a pitching clock if they introduce it. This, replay, and clock between innings, I like. Pitching clock and that stupid blocking the plate rule, not for me so much. Fuck you, Buster Posey.
Very simple way to solve your problem..... just don't watch!!!! Easy as that!
Zac Velez nah I'd rather they change the rule
The 2 announcers had a fight & no longer do Tiger games. They were both ejected ! Permanently.
You simply just don't toss miggy
so swinging somehow negates getting hit? i'm learning every day..
"Best player in the game." Not in the league, the game. Has anyone thought that maybe he was talking about the specific game? They were playing the White Socks. Who else would be better IN THIS SPECIFIC GAME?
Sox*
Jaja este no ve beisbol...
BruinsChampions2011 He meant the game of baseball because what he said was truth. Cabrera at this point in his career had already won an MVP and was getting another that season so during this he was, in fact the best player in the game, league, and all of baseball.
He also had won the triple crown which hadn't been done in like 40 years.
I thought that arguing balls and strikes (and swings) was an automatic ejection. So what's the problem?
Cabrera shouldnt have bitched....but its not like he yelled... Umpire shouldnt have ejected him for that.... It is in Chicago, but some fans still paid to see Sale VS Cabrera, to eject him on a minor disagreement is not really fair to the fans who have paid to watch star players....
That was a nasty pitch by Sale...
Best "hitter" in the game sounds more appropriate.
The home plate umpire was (#9/Brian Gorman)
That pineapple faced ump needs to learn how to not take an argument so seriously and just call the game.
You cannot argue balls or strikes. Period. No matter what tone of voice you use.
***** That's bullshit and you know it. Just because you have power doesn't give you the right to abuse it. Umps like this need to be gone from the league, they ruin the game with their gigantic egos when they throw good players and coaches out of the game for almost nothing. I mean, if the player/coach screams in the man's face then yeah, that guy needs to be tossed no question, but not when the player/coach says one fucking sentence to the guy.
That's one of the big no no's in baseball and the ruling is, if you argue balls and strikes, it results in immediate ejection. I mean, what about players and their big egos as well.
***** Well it shouldn't, I've seen plenty of umpires that can take a little criticism about their strikezone without going ballistic. And the players' big egos don't end ruining the game.
Tim Peters The umpire could have ejected him when he first started arguing the call (which you CAN'T do), but he showed restraint and didn't. It wasn't until Cabrera started arguing a second time (it's pretty clear the umpire says SOMETHING to him before he gets tossed, which I'd assume was something like "Okay" or "Stop") that he got tossed.
I'm also not sure what video you're watching, because the only person who "goes ballistic" in this video is Cabrera himself.
It doesn't matter if you're Miggy or someone just up from the minors for a cup of coffee, you argue balls and strike you're gone. If you argue whether you did or did not offer at a pitch, then yes you are arguing balls and strikes. The ump let him talk for a second, then he said something else after the next pitch.....see you!!!!
If you get hit by pitch, but also swing at it ( checked swing ) is it a strike or hit batsman taking his base ?
If they swung at it it's a strike
KrAziiPwNaGe even if the pitch hits them ?
ok, thanks.
***** Even if it hits them it's still a strike since they swung
makes sense, thanks.
It's just like if they swing on a ball, it's a strike
Wow 🥺
Maybe he should shut his mouth and just play the game
there are times to argue but it is the first inning. shut up and play the game.
john mack Cabrera wasn't even arguing. He calmly told the umpire he disagreed with the call and the umpire ejected him. Umpires need to use better judgement and stop being so insecure and ejecting people over the littlest things.
semajmarc87 it doesn't matter how you tell the umpire you disagree with them. That's still arguing.
semajmarc87 Maybe Cabrera should learn the rules before he opens his big mouth.
Alan Hess "OMG who the fuck cares
-peter griffin
Christian Harvey "Bitch I eat people."
-Alucard
I am guessing Miggy was just being a smart ass after the foul ball asking if that was a strike or if he swung there. But that's just my guess. I hope he didn't cuss him out.
some umpires are just little men who when they are granted a bit of authority feel the need to become all powerful.
Bring Back Leyland
haha your all mad at the announcers because they said miggys the best player and your arguing that he isn't? too funny your just not a fan and say anything against him even if I wasn't a tigers fan I'd say he is the best I mean seriously he's great. just like now I'd say mike trout is Prolly the best in the game right now same as Zach grenkie. don't deny how good he was... this wasn't 2015 it was 2013
+Detroit_6182 Harper is 2nd best
Best player in the game, most talented team in the game...STILL CANNOT WIN THE SERIES!! LOL
As a Tigers fan, I can attest to this still being true
Umpires and instint replay are destroying the game and it's not getting better
As an umpire, venting anger by tossing someone after an insult or chirping before taking a deep breath but breathing afterwards is what I feel is more healthy.
what