Vegetto, the Bootleg Gogeta - Dragon Ball Dissection: The Majin Boo Arc Part 24!
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- Опубліковано 17 гру 2021
- Dragon Ball Dissection December continues with the one, the only Vegetto! He's... okay. While he is another serve in the endless game of Boo Tennis, he is also a surprising concession. He also has a ridiculous name. For what it's worth, how does the story use him?
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i always assumed the potara fusion of kaio and kibito was just toriyama finding a way to get rid of kibito
I couldn't stand kibito when he was trash talking gohan trying to pull the sword out
Unsure if it was worth it because Kibitoshin's design is hideous.
"one less character to draw, yay!"
That's one way to save time drawing characters.
Love your art dude
Gohan getting a pointless power up and doing nothing the rest of the arc? He really is Piccolos student!
This isn't even the first time either. He got a useless powerup in the Freeza arc just like Piccolo.
Gohan getting a pointless power up and doing nothing the rest of the arc? He really is not a character called "Goku"!
Yup sadly
"Yep, father like son" - 🤪
@@CoolOkay_ Exactly! The apple does not fall far from the tree!
I do actually love Vegito. But it's because of the anime, which is probably the same for most people. His design and clothes are cool. His attacks are (almost) as cool as Gotenks', and the finger beam and sword are cool. But I also just completely adore when jawbreaker vegito exclaims: "I'm a jawbreaker, the hardest candy in the universe!" Then beats Buu up. It might be meaningless to the story, but unlike a lot of the fights up to that point. . . It was fun! I guess most of those best parts are in the manga too.
Certainly sounds like we hold a lot of the same opinions here!
I enjoyed the fight in the anime version too, Just finished rewatching it a few weeks ago and it's just as fun as I remembered it.
Same. Vegito's episodes were the first Dragon Ball media I ever purchased on VHS back in the day. Ironically this meant that I thought the Gotenks fight (aside from his expanded outing with Fat Buu) rather lukewarm in all honesty. A Failure of Discipline pretty much sums up my opinion on him.
Ehh, the fight was really dragged out in the anime. I enjoyed the two episodes, but it got boring after that.
I remember as a kid thinking, "OH BOY, KIBITO KAI IS GONNA BE SO COOL!" No, I was wrong.
i always thought kibito kai didn't make sense as a name either so i'd call him shibito
I liked his design, and I didn't hate him. He was just kinda there. GT brought him back and I enjoyed him there.
I always felt that Vegetto has the power of both, the cockiness and strategic thinking of Vegeta and the playfulness and spontaneous decision making of Goku.
Thanks doc
I always hear about vegitas strategic thinking… what is anyone talking about?? He’s strategic in the namek saga, but all of that is outside of battle, (minus the time he picked up sand and dropped it on that one guys eyes. That was cool.)
He even let an android suck energy from him to “confirm” they can do that. That was as strategic as piccolo letting Gero lazer him and falling to the ground to “catch him off his guard”
You could say vegita figured out grade 4 was too bulky for combat, but so did goku, and no one talks about his strategic mind. It was simply obvious. I do like to think that potara is the more powerful version of fusion since the two people don’t have to match energy levels often making one lower their power a bit. You get both peoples full power, and a synergy that boosts it above the sum total of their parts.
@@chrisblanc663 You're right. Would 'Scheming' be a better description?
@@chrisblanc663 even the playfulness bit is kind of off, especially in late Z
Goku’s pretty lax and amped up for fighting, but vegito is literally almost as goofy as gotenks is, which is funny because gotenks is more goofy then trunks or goten were ever even shown to be anyways
Both goku and vegeta were always cocky, but never in the same way vegito was (or gogeta in gt)
It always feels like, when most characters fuse, we just get some “non-character” out of it, where the end product doesn’t even quite feel like either of them, but isn’t really given the screentime to show us the depths of how the fusion affects who they are as an individual.
@@theradionicrevival8068 Or he could be argued as, you know, his own person with his own personality. It's definitely fair to say the reader/viewer never gets time to get to know said person, though.
Granted, pretty much everything Akira Toriyama introduces in the series is for that one specific scene and/or plot device, rendering them worthless to the remainder of the series afterward, but that's kind of beside the point.
I love Vegito, but I do believe you could say that it comes from a place of nostalgia or bias. My very Dragon Ball VHS tape (yes, I’m a 90s kid) was Fusion: The Last Saiyan. My mom bought it for me at Wal-Mart. This was when the Fusion & Kid Buu sagas were wrapping up their home releases here in the U.S. before GT would eventually come out.
The only reason I got that tape instead of another one from the Buu Saga was because it had four episodes instead of three on it. So, I really got to know Vegito more than Goku OR Vegeta when I first began to watch the series. I loved the dual voices of the character along with the fact that he was wrecking Buu like it was no one’s business. When he got turned into candy, I was laughing my behind off because Buu was getting wrecked by a marble-sized opponent. Sort of reminds me of how Ant-Man was whopping Falcon in his first solo movie.
I’ll treasure his first appearance against Buuhan way more than when he showed up in Super to fight Zamasu for the sake of fan service. Not saying that I hated Vegito in Super, but to see him struggling for a bit in that brawl to the point of displaying some battle damage is hard to stomach considering he took some hits from Buuhan (mostly on purpose) and didn’t have a scratch on him. Goku & Vegeta stood no chance against Buu separately, but Goku soloed Merged Zamasu’s Holy Wrath AND destroyed his Barrier of Light (halo). Nah, give me Buu Saga Vegito any day of the week!
My biggest gripe about Vegito is the fact that he went through all that trouble to get absorbed to save Gohan and the others. However, they all wind up dying anyway once Kid Buu blew up the planet. It makes the “Why didn’t Vegito just kill Buuhan and then wish everyone who died back?” argument more valid.
Yo, I had a similar experience! Lol
Mexico would play dragon ball far ahead than what the USA was showing. (remember when they were perpetually stuck in the namek saga?)
Anywho, I just randomly came across vegito vs Buu. I'm like "whoa who is this guy? Another Saiyan?!"
And I had no idea about timeslots, so I never got to follow up and see them defuse. For the longest time, until like Budokai 2 or so, I didn't know who vegito was. Just that one guy.
Also, never realized that vegito was actually the last Saiyan (on earth, pre retcon)
@@freetime2freeminds that's awesome! Yeah, I heard about the Namek Saga stuff (remember I wasn't a fan at the time it originally aired here in the U.S.). By the time I got into the series, Cartoonnetwork was always having those DBZ marathons EVERY weekend! Not to mention the Toonami afternoon block on weekdays
Yeah they fumbled Vegito HARD in Super. I didn't enjoy it at all. If Goku with just regular SSB was able to damage merge Zamasu the way he did, Vegito should have not only completely dominated him but shouldn't have even had to go SSB or even use a god form. How does a regular Kamehameha overpower and permanently damage Merged Zamasu but a whole final Kamehameha from SSB Vegito does absolutely nothing?? Ughhh worst arc in Dragonball history
I always liked Vegetto not for his strength, but more because of what he represents when an iconic rivalry truly unites and works together. When I had first watched Dragon Ball Z as a child, I remember feeling particularly blue-balled during Namek when Vegeta immediately abandoned Goku as they were going to fight Ginyu together. I remember thinking how cool it would be to see them working together after such a fierce fight in the prior arc. Vegetto to me succeeds in a way Gotenks doesn't: he can screw around in the fight and have fun without risking failure. He exudes the same confidence, but he can back it up. His silliness doesn't come off as immaturity, but as something like the Muten-roushi being so far ahead early on that he can afford to not be serious for a bit. He's got it all planned out in the back of his mind.
He's got a bit of Vegeta's conniving and planning side to him from Namek, and Goku's playfulness. It feels like the first true moment that Goku and Vegeta work with each other for a common goal, and that their teamwork manages to be so effortlessly successful that it's silly the only thing that was holding them back all this time was pride. Even during the final fight against Cell, the moment that turned the tides was when Vegeta played along and distracted Cell long enough for Gohan, with Goku's coaching, to deal the finishing blow.
It's also probably not a fair comparison to use the movie here as an example, but it became easy to contrast Vegetto and Gogeta. Where Vegetto had a cheerful and utterly confident disposition, Gogeta in movie 12 was so brief but acted far more pragmatically and immediately ended his fight. While that was likely due to him being the climax of a fairly short film overall and being strapped for time, it does paint the picture that he's more serious of a character than Vegetto, especially since he only ends up giving an actual smile right at the end after the action's over.
And as an aside, I do like the Potara visually and how Toriyama used something that incorporated left-right symmetry in the same way Fusion does to achieve a similar result.
To further your point. Toriyama said the difference between the 2 fusions is that Vegito is NEITHER Goku or Vegeta, but it's own entity that has taken the dominant personality with some quirks of the submissive personality. Meanwhile Gogeta is both Goku and Vegeta souls merged evenly together like the synchronized dance implies which is visually shown having half of Goku's and Vegeta's face right down the middle. As for personality, I always assumed that Gogeta from that movie is the more pragmattic fusion due to Vegeta's influence in the mind, but that smile at the end signify he would be more Goku at heart.
The real climax of the arc does that far better.
This.
@@spartanq7781 Eh...
Definitely Vegetto is, at least aesthetically, a better design than for example Gotenks, which really beyond Trunks' angry eyes and hair colors, has practically nothing in common with Goten and Trunks. What's more, even at certain points he appears to be some kind of miniature Vegeta (both in design and in mental age).
At least in Vegetto the characteristics of its components are more evident. A pity that this is one of the few positive things that can be said about the character.
Speaking of designs, have you ever noticed that Toriyama got tired of using screentone to give the impression that Goku is glowing as a SSJ3 in this section and in the final battle?
What's screentone exactly? I don't know jack about drawing.
@@samueloak1600 The normally inked parts of Goku's clothing such as the undershirt, wristbands and boots were in a shade of gray using the screentone during SSJ3's first appearance instead of black as usual, giving an effect that Goku is glowing.
@@Blasckk Ah, I see that, thanks
And about Gotenks, well, I think he acts fairly well as a fusion of Goten and Trunks. They are mischievous kids, after all! So while his cockiness might be reminiscing of Vegeta's, it isn't for the same reasons.
Gotenks was definitely a mini Vegeta lol
Speaking on Gotenks, I've always thought he has one of the worst designs in Dragonball. Because how tf does Goku style hair + Trunks style hair = *Vegeta style hair* ??? Neither Goten nor Trunks have vertically spiked hair and a widow's peak so why does Gotenks?? It's like Toriyama could have been so creative in combining their physical qualities yet this is what he came up with. Just seemed very lazy and uninspired.
It's also why I prefer Vegito to Gogeta, Vegito is the perfect combination of them to the point you can see it, Mistarefusion described it perfectly. I only liked movie 12 version Gogeta's design tho because for this same reason, combining Vegeta's widow's peak with Goku's bang was nice. Every other Gogeta design unfortunately shits on it all
Translations and naming conventions are legititmately one of my favorite DB topics of discussion, and I've been waiting for this Kakarotto/Vegetto rant for a long time. You didn't disappoint.
It's interesting how many naming issues we're just stuck with due to sheer inertia despite being 100% wrong. Like Bulma is just going to be Bulma in English forever even though it's been definitively proven by official sources to be incorrect.
@@randomfox12245 how is it wrong? Bulma's introductionary outfit had Bulma in big bold letters on the front in both the original and localized versions of the manga.
@@Drums_of_Liberation Toriyama doesn't know english very well.
Either way i'm still going to call the blue haired woman "Bulma" instead of the more correct translation "Bluma/Blooma".
@@Drums_of_Liberation this is literally one of the first things Fusion talked about in DBD in the very first video ironically
how did u post this 11 days ago if the video was posted 4 days ago?
Wait a minute.... an exhausted and injured Goku can throw a senzu perfectly into Cell's hand so he can beat up his 11 years old son, but this completely resurrected and at peak condition Goku couldn't aim the darn thing a bit more to the right so his injured and on the verge of dying son could grab it and potentially save the entire universe!?
Maybe it's less about Goku's ability to aim and more about Cell's ability to catch. It's not called his "perfect" form for nothing :-)
Clumsy comic relief...you know ? And besides, just to give Vegeta's second chance ticket to go back and "finir en beauté" (to finish beautifully or let's say "with style", for instance) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
one thing re: aesthetics about the vegetto section, i think the art is considerably better then it was thru the gohan section. i still don't like the art in this arc, but it definitely feels like toriyama gave more effort into these chapters then he did gohan's...
Considering Kibito only existed to die, be revived, be haughty, and then fuse with Shin, it'd have been better if the fusion had been Shin's design from the start. Or that they didn't defuse in Super at all.
If you consider it from a Technical Standpoint, It’d be more advantageous for them to stay fused because Kibitoshin would not only have all of his Fusee’s abilities, he’s also stronger, and able to react to things quicker so he could get into and out of trouble much easier
I'm convinced they defused in Super just to be another bullet point in the long list of "See? GT isn't canon! This detail in Super doesn't match GT!" reasons. They even made Pan older than Bra for Christ's sake.
We dont talk about Super here
@@DarkkirbyKRPG Actually, in guidebooks going around the time of GT, even there Bra was born after Pan. Dragon Ball isn't the most consistent series when it comes to child depictions.
Plus another reason why the made Kibitoshin defuse (other than yours, which I do think it's either totally or partially the truth) is that he looked ugly.
@@DarkkirbyKRPG Actually Pan is supposed to be born first. GT is the one who messed that up and if anything Super was making that correction.
I never ever doubted Vegito's name, even after learning a bit of Japanese formally myself. Now I feel stupid. Holy Shitto, Kakorotto.
All this talk of Gogeta and Vegito, when we all know that Veku was the superior Fusion.
6:45 it is incredibly frustrating how many times the heroes can just end the main conflict and defeat the villain but it just continues to drag out endlessly because of their stupidity.
"But i must do it like a true warrior, only fighting in the right way can trurly end a why my chest hurts? Oh, ive been impaled."
Or the main villain just randomly comes back for one surprise final final (for real this time) fight.
And that's one of the major reasons I think Dragon Ball is at best overrated and at worse a horrible series.
@@KamenMasked Nah don't agree.
while I don't like them not ending conflicts when they can (that does get really fucking old, I tell ya) I definitely don't think the series as a whole is horrible.
but I also don't think "overrated" really means much as s criticism personally.
Or when the villain's too broken to reasonably gain any advantage over them, unless said villain arbitrarily gives up the opportunity to use their own advantages to win.
Most Manga writers would just have actually planned ahead and said “no I’m doing that. Do something else” One Piece creator Oda gave Toei a list of powers they are allowed to use. Powers he doesn’t plan to use
Toriyama actually planning anything out in advance...LMAO
I gotta say, I really appreciate how this series has shined light on just how badly done Vegeta's redemption arc is. People like to point out his arc came full circle after his sacrifice to try and kill Boo...and now here we are to show that, nope, Vegeta had learned absolutely nothing.
The anime version during this part was even worse on how much they extended Vegeta's anger with Goku. At least it was short here. 😂
The funny thing is once Buutenks fusions ran out, Gohan could've easily defeated Buu if they got to heal him.
He wouldn't even need to be healed.
y'know what would've been funny? If Goku was the one absorbed by Buu and he was revived only to be Buu's power-up
@@joaocalixto1686 Then Buuku? and Gohan would be on par and we would finally have an actual fight.
@@MaxIronsThird Buuku for the win
@@notmytruthTHEtruth If he developed a martial art, would it be called Buukūjutsu? Badum-tss
To be fair, Vegetto acts exactly as someone would if they were unquestionably the strongest person in the universe (at that point in time all things considered)
Except that title change hands every 3 minutes during this arc, we dont know how "the strongest person in the universe" would act here.
Vegetto is cocky because he is basically Vegeta.
No, he acts exactly how vegeta acts when he becomes the strongest in the universe.
@@Jose-se9pu: except for the fact his cockyness is all a ploy. He's intentionally hamming it up just to goad Buu into absorbing him, and doing so because he wants to rescue everyone one Buu has absorbed, despite having Dragon Balls they could use to just revive everyone afterwards instead.
His methods might be Vegata, but his goals and reasoning are very Goku.
My headcanon now is that Zarbon is actually two aliens that either stole a kaioshin's earrings or were tricked intk wearing them and fused into one person. And the reason he can transform is because one or the other personality takes over.
Diavolo 0.1
I like that a lot, that's so stupid that it fits right in with this series.
Maybe an entire race of people like that exists, since someone else from Zarbon's race who can transform showed up in the DBS manga.
I bet it was that witch who fused with elder kaioshin
Just out there ruining lives…
when it comes to gogeta in fusion reborn and vegetto, i did like that atleast their personalities are different. I like gogeta going for the kill since he has a time limit and i know vegetto being cocky was probably his plan the whole time but i feel its more likely he will act that way due to his love of fighting. it gives off the fact that the same people using different fusions will have different results!
Gogeta feels like a mix, while Vegetto...that''s just Vegeta being a bit less of an asshole.
@@Jose-se9pu they're both a mix. Vegito was basically Vegeta's arrogance sprinkled with Goku's goofiness
That's one way to look at it. A more cynical viewer might say that Gogeta didn't have enough screentime in Movie 12 to even *_have_* a personality. I'll take the Vegetto clone from GT and Super over the "stoic strong guy" from Z, thanks.
@@webbiefade14 it’s Vegeta when he actually has the power to back up his arrogance. So basically it’s Vegeta when he fights Pui Pui or 2nd form Cell
@@danielquinlan2457 Never in a million years, bro. GT Gogeta and Super Gogeta are just Vegeto. Vegeto is cool, but Super Gogeta and GT Gogeta trying to be him are not characters. They're characters *Pretending* to be other characters. How can you say Fusion Reborn Gogeta doesn't have a personality? He does! He has one of the most recognisable personalities out of the cast and he shows up for less than 5 minutes.
He is born due to Metomorese Fusion, looks Janemba straight in the eye, spits some philosophy no other character has ever really portrayed or come close to replicating with the possible exception of Master Roshi at the very beginning of the series, and then doubles down on said philosophy by not bogging the story down. It's Dragon Ball's only Squash Match that works. And it wasn't even Toriyama who did it.
"Every force you create has an echo. Your own bad energy will be your undoing." *Wins in less than a minute after saying that*
I've always assumes that Vegito's primary personality was Vegeta and Gogeta's was Goku.
Same here.
Pretty much the opposite when you realize vegeta took full control of gogeta when he wanted/had to murder broly.
@@girgeisbest34 I wouldn't say full control, but it was vegeita's influence that made him go for the kill shot. It was the goku part that made him happy he didn't have to kill him.
And just as is expected from a Dragonball Dissection video, a significant moment for the fandom is finally covered, and the vast majority of the video is focused on a rant over the spelling of a characters name.
God I love this series.
Have been looking forward to this part a WHOOOOOOLE ton. Ever since your DBS: Broly review where you briefly talked about Gogeta, I’ve kept wondering “what exactly is it that bothers him about Goku and Vegeta fusing?”. I finally have the answer, and it was dang worth the wait and one I agree on.
I also agree the permanence rule should’ve stuck around. One idea I sometimes entertain is swapping the difference factor Super introduced: temporary for gods, but permanent for mortals. That way, the individuality sacrifice here remains with Buu’s magic being the true reason it was stopped. Later on in Super, the sacrifice is done again, but because of Goku and Vegeta’s new godly power, it becomes a twist that it’s no longer permanent for them, and in the case of the manga, a hope-bringing ticking clock that the heroes survive Merged Zamasu enough for his fusion to end too because of the divine essence of Black’s Rosé.
True true well said
I would've been alright if Vegito stayed that way forever and became the main character of future series (like a hypothetical alternate universe version of GT or Super)
@@KaiserMattTygore927 basically a restart where you keep certain perks.
He'd unlock ui earlier, get stronger faster, not have to worry about a wife (not being rude but most of goku's time is wasted on his job not that it's a bad thing but this was the main reason I wonder why Vegeta still hasn't surpassed him) etc.
Holy shit...that makes a LOT OF SENSE!! Coupled with the witch for Old Kai and Kibito who isn't even a god yet, all these factors woulda made sense.
@@ZZtheDark Actually if the rules were swapped, those two wouldn’t be permanent. Kibito Kai would unfuse after an hour because Shin is a god; so long one of the two fusees is a god, it’s temporary. Elder Kai is the one hiccup as to how this idea would work. Best I think of is removing his little accident and so that’s his natural appearance due to his long time inside the sword.
I love the scene where Goku goes off on Vegeta in the show. Masako Nozawa must have also been pissed with Vegeta because her delivery is so good, lol.
Then Funimation gives him the dubious assertion that even the ones who were eaten as chocolate can't even die because they're part of Buu now!
@@BagOfMagicFood lmfao
YOOOO damyklan!!
Even in the Broly movie, Goku has to tell Vegeta for the third time about he has to stop whining about his pride and fuse for people's sake.
It's Super's curse, always gotta be repeating those same old, same old character beats to pander to that nostalgia.
@@EmeralBookwise Can't wait til the next arc where a character starts posturing while having someone at beam point to defeat before the person gets another hit of energy to counter because the other person was taking all the time in the world to just finish it off despite it seemingly being easy I.E. Vegeta with Frieza, Goku with Jiren, Jiren with Goku, Frieza with Jiren and Vegeta with Moro, WHY THE HELL DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING SO OFTEN!? IT'S BAD TENSION!
To be fair, in the Broly movie its done entirely as a comedic nod to the buu saga, and its not taken seriously. Vegeta's only actual objection is how embarrassing the fusion dance looks, and blushes in embarrassment. After a very gentle prod form Goku about how openly he's displayed his affection for Bulma already, he immediately does it, for several attempts until they succeed.
@@powercore2000: not to mention there was the bingo dance he performed in an attemp to placate Beerus.
It's just so frustrating how Vegeta showed more growth and development in the ability to set aside his pride back when the modern revival started, but as Super progressed Vegeta increasingly fell back into old habits.
It's almost enough to make me prefer GT, where Vegeta had set aside so much of his former pride that not only was he willing to fuse without hesitation, it was actually his idea to use the technique in the first place. How much better Super Brolly could have been if instead of wasting time on an old gag, when it comes time to fuse Vegeta didn't need any training, instead admitting to Goku he'd already asked Trunks to teach him the dance off screen, knowing he might need to use it some day.
@@EmeralBookwise Eh, I didn't think the moment in broly was a regression. He still hates fusing, but made no where near as much of a fuss about it, and was far more honest about he was more embarrassed that opposed to it on principle. I found it a cute acknowledgment of how far he's come, as DBZ vegeta would have died before ever being caught visibly blushing.
I will say the rest of super has a VERY bad habit of rehashing Z stuff with no explanation tho. But I found the broly movie to be a good example of a remake, surprisingly good.
I am so glad that Vegito rescuing the absorbed is going to have a point, and they're not all just gonna die.
I actually don't mind Goku throwing the earing, even though it wasn't a good idea, what I do mind is that Gohan is shown to be quick enough to react to bullets fired at him from close range but he still isn't able to catch something thrown at him of a similar size. Maybe this is why Gohan wears glasses now I guess
But how fast was the earring thrown? Goku threw it, and they were short on time, so it should be faster than a bullet too, right? That's why Buu didn't easily interrupt them. But then shouldn't have the earring been destroyed, at least when it hit the ground? Or is it like Trunks's sword? How much does it matter that it's thrown??? And I mean, Goku was still weaker than Gohan anyway so even if it was going at super speed it should've still been in slow motion, right? Right??? Maybe????????? And oh yeah, remember the punching machine at the start of the tournament? Could Goku have even succeeded at holding back enough not to destroy the earring if it was necessary anyway? I don't know, maybe if he spent some time concentrating perhaps, but at that point why not simply fly over to Gohan and hand it to him _then?_
These guys are also able to catch Senzu beans being thrown at similar speeds, there was no excuse for Gohan to miss that earing except for Toriyama being done with him.
@@ascended00hybrid58 chances are you are assuming a senzu bean is coming when thrown. Goku came out if nowhere slices Buu and basically goes "think fast"
I would assume that Vegetto was still sentient as candy because, and I cannot stress how much I dislike even implying it, he was too strong for the magic to contain
That's pretty consistent with how Dragon Ball treats esoteric magic/psychic powers: They don't really work against people who're a whole lot stronger than you.
Why do you hate it the reasoning , it’s pretty clear through out the series that no matter what you know or have or what type of magic you have/contain it won’t matter because the other guy simply has a bigger number than you , it makes sense
Freak It’s straight up weird that the beam turned him into candy in the first place now that I think about it
I mean chiatsu (im not gonna google it) couldnt use his powers on nappa
In all fairness, Dragon Ball isn't the only series to handle it that way. In Rurouni Kenshin, Jin-ne's Shin no Ippo technique (a paralysis glare) doesn't work on opponents of comparable willpower, and can be broken in moments of desperation. The first anime's second dub has Kenshin describe it as "a competition between spirits" to make it even more clear.
Since Toriyama chose to give Vegeta top billing in the Potara merging, I think a better name for the character than “Vegetto” would be “Vegekuu” (ベジクウ). That’s a completely evenly split name with Japanese Kana.
But that’s just what I think.
It doesn't work in English though because it would be render as "Vegeku". Though it works perfectly in Japanese.
@@FourteenthAngelStill much more intuitive of a fusion name than Vegetto in both languages, albeit not rolling off the tongue as well.
My guess Toriyama chose the latter name specifically for this reason since it still does respect the character-even fusion nomenclature while sounding comfortable enough to pronounce. The issue is that in any other context other than written katakana the "Vegetto" is the moat unintuitive name combination imaginable.
As a Vegetto fan, it was always design for me. I really like the more sassy flair of his concept from the earings to the new outfit to his playful nature and new moveset.
I never really thought of Vegetto as a bootleg of Gogeta. Though I guess since Movie 12 was right around the corner, it would explain why there was the Potara Fusion. But even if that was the intention, I didn’t really mind it, since I like the idea of 2 different fusions and how one of them requires a perfectly synchronized dance and only last for 30 minutes. And one where you don’t have to do a synchronized dance only it’s permanent.
And while I definitely don’t like the name Vegetto like with Gogeta, I do much prefer his design over Gogeta, and I really enjoyed the brief fight that he has with Boo. with my favorite moment being where Boo turns him into a piece of candy but is still able to fight boo.
And wow where already are near the point to where Kid Boo will be introduced, that’s exciting.
Personally, I like Vegito for his personality. I think he's a fun character even if his role in the story wasn't all the good. Sure he doesn't have much of this components personalities, but I think his own is enjoyable
He is a shameless excuse to sell more toys.
@@Jose-se9pu But a damn cool toy, mind you.
@@Jose-se9pu Just because something is created for marketing, doesn't mean it can't be good.
@@Jose-se9pu
If that were the case, I'm pretty sure Toriyama would've put Vegito as a SSJ3 which we never saw for years
He has the best parts of Goku and Vegeta. That's why he was one of my favorite fusion characters.
I don’t think people love Vegetto the way they love Goku or something, because of his character or personality. They love Vegetto the way you love a dragon or the xenomorph. He had a cool design that combines aspects of characters they already have a high opinion of and he cements it by easily defeating the hyped up villain of the arch at the peak of his power. The concept of him is cool and powerful, it gives you that rush that we’re witnessing something worth seeing for the spectacle alone. If you can’t find yourself in that feeling I can see how his contribution would leave you underwhelmed.
That said I have to disagree, Vegetto’s personality is exactly the way I’d expect a fusion of Goku and Vegeta to act for the 10minutes he’s allotted. Goku’s cocky side and confidence mixed with Vegeto’s prideful nature result in an arrogant show off. But Goku’s caring nature motivates him to use a risky ploy to save his friends and family inside buu and without the chip on Vegeta’s shoulder of having to be better then Goku, because he also is Goku, he’s able to use his more tactical side to come up with the plan to pretend to be absorbed.
It’s not amazing but on paper I see it.
That arrogance we see isn't his real personality. It's all just a ploy to piss Buu off. I found it weird that GT acts like he's actually that way when that was a trick.
@@reversalmushroom I mean yes, it is a trick, but I don’t think it’s totally a trick, I think he’s playing it up to get Buu mad, not to mention desperate but the attitude is real. He’s playing it up but the act comes from real confidence, confidence that Buu can not touch him, confidence that their force field will work, that he is the strongest thing out there. He’s acting but the character fits him like a glove. He knows he’s reached a level Buu can’t even touch but he’s able to reign it in the way Goku usually does.
I don’t know, probably both takes are valid, he defiantly slides way the other way in GT.
@@reversalmushroom Vegetto isn't in GT, you're thinking of Gogeta.
Fusion with gohan couldve been nice, but id say it was inevitable that goku and vegeta would fuse
I like Vegito way more than Gogeta tbh, this was one of the only parts of the middle stuff in this arc that was any fun.
Vegetto has the YOSHAAA, so he has that going for him.
I was always confused about Vegetto's name ever since I got into the franchise, Funimation's name "Vegito" and Viz going in a completely different direction with "Vegerott" didn't help things.
Great video as always! Love the breakdown and explanation behind the name.
Mexico always kept the Kakarotto name. When I first heard the dubs had Vegeta called him Kakarrot, I was like 'that's kinda dumb, what are they gonna do when they get to Vegetto?'.
7:20 Considering Sensu Beans, object thrown always magically hit people in the hand in Dragon Ball. I assumed it's norm, simplification to keep action going. That's why I dislike this scene, it breaks the rules of the universe.
If Goku threw Potara to Mr. Satan and he failed due to not being as fast as everyone else, that would be funny joke.
I always imagined what if the story hadn't abandoned Gohan as the main character and instead Gohan went on a mission inside Buu's body.
Buutenks knocks around Gohan for a while, him and Satan and Tien doing everything they can do to stall until the fusion runs out. Buutenks mocks Gohan telling him that before the fusion runs out he will also absorb him, also explaining the process to him. Gohan, realizing this is the only way he can win, devises the strategy to put a force field around him before absorption. Once Gohan rescues Piccolo and the kids, Buu turns into Kid Buu and is an even match for Gohan. Gohan takes the roles of Goku and Gotenks takes the role of Vegeta in the final fight.
It would use Gohan's great power up and his brains, since he's presented as a genius
8:12 those sound effects are spot on for Vegeta.
Am I the only one disappointed they never delved into the ramifications of a living person fusing with a dead person?
You're very much not alone. There are so many things I wish the series had delved into with that instead of simply making them arrogant, talking power-ups.
Something I've always liked to think about Vegito's plan to go inside of Buu being a character moment. Like sure he could kill Buu and resurrect everyone with Dragonballs. But if you really think about it...Their kids are in there! Both Gohan, Goten and Trunks are all Vegito's children. And I'd like to think that the ONE thing both Goku and Vegeta can agree on is that, if at all possible they'd rather save their kids instead of having to resurrect them.
That might not be the intention but that's always how I read this scene.
Except that didnt matter because they are killed 5 seconds later.
@@Jose-se9pu And Goku didn’t even bother saving his kids, his first priority was saving Mr. Satan.
"Mr. Satan: Goku's REAL son"
@@brandonlyon730: it's less a matter of priority and more a matter Goku always wants to save everyone. He didn't make a choice of saving Satan (and don't forget Dende as well) instead of saving his kids. It's just that after making the detour to save one group he didn't have enough time to save the other anymore.
Goku just isn't the type to ever accept the train dilemma. He's never going to willingly sacrifice anyone to save someone else. Despite his best intentions though, he just couldn't outrun the speaking train in this situation either.
@@brandonlyon730 Or Goku made a split second second decision because that's all the time he had.
I would say the main thing that makes Vegetto’s fight with Boo more cathartic than Gotenks and Gohan’s fights against him is that with those two, Boo eventually gets the upper hand. That never happens with Vegetto. He’s completely in control for the entire fight. Even getting absorbed is something he planned. He’s even able to shrug off getting turned into candy, which is a technique that Boo used to kill the other characters we’ve come to know and love!
With that said, I do agree on your point about the Potara, and that Vegetto isn’t much of a character. He’s popular largely because he bears the distinction of being the most powerful character in the original manga, and Dragon Ball fans love their power levels.
He’s still much more fun in the anime version, which is where most people remember him off. And depending on the language, his one-liners are hilarious.
I’m so glad someone else finally mentioned Vegetto being Gotenks 2.0. Also I hope you’re ready to see more of Goku and Vegeta not learning a damn thing…in fact throughout the rest of this and ESPECIALLY when Buu transforms again I think they lose some valuable IQ points.
It's really about them reaching the pinnacle of their selfishness when we get to get to that part, our heroes everybody?
Vegeta did learn something at the end of the arc; Goku is better than him, not because he is stronger, but because he is a better person, Vegeta accepts this, and is ready to try to be himself a better person...and 20 years later, we are retconning that.
@@Jose-se9pu Not really, Vegeta accepted Goku as better, but he still wants to improve. But what Super does great actually is that Vegeta follows his own path instead of trying to catch up to Goku, hence why he quickly lost interest in learning UI.
Where the failure to learn anything really boils over for me is yet to come in Super, where it gets pointed out to them by Whis in Resurrection F just how much stronger they'd be if they worked TOGETHER, how each of them have strengths that cover the other's weaknesses. Failing to work together and instead taking turns fighting Frieza is even part of what gets the Earth destroyed, were it not for Whis's dues ex time travel.
And yet even after all of that, when Goku briefly floats the idea to Vegeta that maybe they should start learning to fight as a team, they BOTH reject it as just not being their style and resolving to keep getting stronger in their own separate way. This isn't just a failure to develop as characters, it's one more example of Super actually regressing them... and for what? So we can retain a pretense where characters take turns fighting the bad guys 1v1 instead of doing the far more logical thing of actually teaming up.
It makes me really miss GT where not only did Goku and Vegeta actually fight together, it was Vegeta's idea to use fusion, further cementing just how much he'd left behind his old foolish pride.
@@EmeralBookwise don't even get me started on that quandary of what amounts to pure stubbornness in how its portrayed
I have never seen a man ranting 5 minutes straight about an anime name, very entertaining to be honest.
Vegito is still a fave of mine! I always seen his personality as Sonic the Hedgehog- right down to his ' I'm waiting!' attitude. Also, he's the most talkative of the adults fusion forms!( as it took Gogeta another 20 years to finally have long dialogue!)
In ocean dub Vegito 100% sounds like sonic
@@HistoryandReviews I love ocean dub so that makes me happy!
Probably one of the reasons why I like the character so much, he really is similar to 90's era sonic.
Um, Gogeta was in GT, and had more than one line of dialogue.
@@starone1 yep and it wasn't very long either. Still took 20 years.
Another great episode, loved the breakdown of Vegetto's name! Also, very happy to see you received a clean bill of health after the shinanigans you were posting about on twitter. Can't have you taken out of the game this close to the finish ;)
I don't mind Vegetto, and I really like him, but I do understand why you don't and where you're coming from.
I tend to prefer how Gogeta looks these days. That outfit is pretty cool. I wore it a lot in Xenoverse 2.
Your series is the most comprehensive there is on the subject. It literally makes me sad how underappreciated your content is.
It’s the best on UA-cam
You're both very kind. Thank you!
I love how honest you are with some of the problems in Z. A lot of UA-camrs, understandably, tip toe around these issues(particularly with super) to avoid alienating their audience
"But I love vegito😡"
I'd love to hear your thoughts on all the super arcs. I'll look around just in case I missed them
I think it's more so particularly with Z, but idk
@@samueloak1600 people straight up call z every dragon ball media lol even the original
@@pablogomesoliveira2677 We're clearly talking of the "DBZ portion" of Dragon Ball tho
My first experience with the character of Vegito was actually a toy of him. Since my parents got things from Japan we got a lot of things of the series before they ever came out in America such as figures (though mostly just had Tankobon's of the series up to the 23rd Budokai and VHS tapes of the 22nd Budokai and the start of Piccolo Daiamo) . The only "story" we had from that far in though was the Tankobon that had Gohan getting his energy drained by Babidi's henchmen, so until we got the final Tankobon I just thought Vegito was a brand new character unrelated to the others. As you were going over the name issue, my mind immediately just thought he should be called "Vegarot" in English once you'd pointed out how the names combined. I actually never knew it was using "Kakarot" as part of it (cause yeah, it makes no sense for Goku to go with Kakarot so I never would've thought that'd be part of the combination), I just thought it was a random-ass name that used part of "Vegeta" as the first part of the name.
The title is literally how to cause a war between db fans tip 1 lol
I'll never understand how Vegeta didn't know Buu killed Bulma. He watched Goku going SSJ3. He watched the boys do their fusion but somehow missed Buu killing everybody, when he kept his eye on what was going on the whole time. I thought King Yemma would've told him also.
The fact you spend most of this video discussing the naming semantics of Vegetto's name is evidence of how little you care about this momentary distraction that the character is.
Funnily enough, if I remember correctly, in Portugal they used the name "Vegeku" for the character in the anime, likely because they didn't get the memo that Vegetto is a combination of Vegeta and Kakarotto, so they changed it so it could become a combination of Vegeta and Goku. And then again, they didn't really use the name Kakarotto or Kakarot, and instead they had Vegeta call him "Cachalote", often in a derogatory tone, which implied it was an insulting nickname, which is Portuguese for Sperm Whale/Cachalot.
It wasn't until years later that I discovered that Goku's Saiyan's name was Kakarotto, and started wondering about the whole "Cachalote" thing.
Languages can be weird sometimes.
Huh. I actually like Vegeku better as a name!
I'm Portuguese and while watching this video I remembered that detail from our dub. It's actually one of the few things we actually get it quite right, even though it's probably a translation of the French dub. It's also Vegeku because in the DBZ Portuguese dub, Vegeta actually calls Goku "Son Goku" and not Kakarot or even Cachalote. He only starts to call him "Cachalote" in the GT dub and then in the Super dub.
@@MrRickypt Could swear he called him "cachalote" in the series. Maybe I'm thinking about the movies... haven't watched the series since it aired I believe.
In spite of it leading to the worst outcome with Buu destroying the earth, it definitely stands out as the most one--sided beating with the villain pulling every trick in the book to win with some leading to some tension and the hero being gloriously trollish. It makes me wish the Ichigo/Butterflyzen fight had this similar level of obvious conclusion, but enough twists to not make it dull.
I should've figured Gogeta was around the corner when Vegito was about to be introduced. Guess it wouldn't be very exciting if Toriyama literally did what people saw in the movies weeks prior.
also....TWO CHAPTERS??? Vegito and Gohan barely fight Buu before the story gives up on them!
Been with the channel for a while now, crazy that I’m watching you talk about vegito after all these episodes and arcs, how time flies.
I actually love the concept that Vegito is permanent. More powerful than common fusion, but no going back; a desperate move. Sadly, that was retconned. Now Vegito and Gogeta are really no different… in fact, why not always do Gogeta since you don’t have to carry around earrings.
Nah, it should never have been written to be permanent. It was obvious that Toriyama wasn't gonna keep them fused forever, even in Z, it never made sense why they separated. It should've been a thing to where they defuse, if the earrings are damaged.
vegeta rejecting the potara is another reason majin vegeta is a dumb waste of time. "He changed after final explosion!" "that was him finally becoming a protector of earth". Then he blatantly argues against their best shot at buu, the guy he committed suicide to kill??? baffling how people defend majin vegeta as this cool return to frieza saga vegeta when it is so obvious it was done for fake tension
15:34 Fun fact: In the finnish translation of the manga, Vegetto is actually called Veget. Vegeta calls Goku Kakarot with single r in the middle.
With the whole rigmarole involving Vegetto's name, maybe Toriyama originally intended for Goku and Gohan to fuse, but couldn't think of the proper name for it either. Gohan? Goku? Hanku? Does he also need to add their last name as well, would there be two Sons?
Gohaku? Gokan?
Kuhan works pretty well if you ask me.
I still remember a panel of Goku and Vegeta just looking exhausted as Buu transforms into his final form. They're like 'another transformation? It never ends...' I really hope MistareFusion covers that cause at that point the actual characters are as tired of the Buu arc as we are.
When i was watching the animated adaptation for the first time, at around this time i actually started to chear for Buu. Idk exactly why i felt this way, maybe because the heroes didn´t really seem to treat this problem seriously and just didnt deserve to win with how many times they had the upperhand annd just screw up. Maybe because the thought of redeeming Buu wasn´t out of the real of possibility since Mr. Satan was still in there and fighting him wasn´t really going anywhere. Maybe because of the added scenes where Buu was just having fun.
But is something that stuck with me ever since.
And needless to say that i wasnt worried or mad when Vegito got absorbed lol
Imagine if the Potara just bounced off of Gohan's head, and he asked if that counts as a walk.
"It touched the side of my head for a moment; that should have initiated the fusion!"
you know that bit, how you mentioned that you could not think of a worse name for Vegito than Vegito? well, you know how typically ship names are the two characters' names combined? Goku x Vegeta shippers cant refer to them by Gogeta, Veku, or Vegito. and so, they had to settle with...
wait for it.
Kakavege.
It really just occurred to me how incredibly close we are to the end of this series. 14 chapters, one anime saga, and 2 or 3 movies (if you count Path to Power). That's... what, about ten episodes of DBD and DBD TV total remaining? This DBD December might genuinely be the last one...
Better make the 2000s material profitable to review!
Just do GT and Super.
@@t.dmattocks6119 If he decides to do GT, it may take a while to get to Super, due to a notable amount of DB material released within that time frame, like Neko Majin Z (sorta counts), Dragon Ball Evolution, the "Yo Son Goku" special, the individual movies of BoG and RoF etc.
@@succubastard1019 Yep. Even better that way. I'd love to see him cover the entire Galatic Patrol series including Sachie, Jiya (both of which also sorta count), and Jaco.
@@succubastard1019 Hell, it might even be fun to try doing a video on DBAF. It definitely doesn't actually count since it's a non Canon to GT story, but it's kind of interesting being a further continuation of GT by the guy that would end up doing the Super manga.
Point being, there is tons of extra stuff even just going with manga, anime, and movies.
A common fan theory is that Vegeta is the dominant personality of Vegito, due to his attitude, behavior, and the fact that he prefers to call Goku Kakarot. It seems they may have adopted this theory as future showings of Gogeta appear to lean more towards acting like Goku.
Except Vegetto in super also kinda acts like goku...and reuses the z design despite vegeta wearing armour at the time
Eh, I don't see it. Outside of his debut movie, Gogeta's personality seems pretty identical to Vegetto's.
So what's the point of fusion then if one personality is just going take over anyway. You might as well just had Vegeta get a power up after absorbing Goku’s essence.
@@danielquinlan2457: this. The only reason Gogeta ever got a reputation as the no nonsense fusion is because the movie literally didn't have enough runtime for him to do anything other than deliver a single finishing move.
I get the feeling MistareFusion's going to have to devote a later video to this "dominant personality" fanon that keeps cropping up in these comments.
I don't know where I remember reading or learning of this, but I remember there being more discussion on the differences between Potara and the fusion dance. Specifically that the Fusion dance is a 50/50 merger of the two people while the Potara isn't. The person with the more dominant personality traits gets a more dominant share of the looks and personality. So the fact that they went with Kakarot instead of Goku would be a reflection of this.
Actually, this might have been something that was explained with Gogeta and not with the Potara specifically. I don't remember LOL Maybe anime filler exposition? Either way, I think this is a nice touch to differentiate the two and help explain why Vegeto acts, looks, and is named the way that he is.
While I like the Vegito candy fight by itself (it's funny, cool, and something different), I dislike it in a broader sense as it represents yet another example of a fun, non-power level based ability that becomes useless when the opponents number gets too big. See General Blue's psychic powers, Choatzu's psychic powers, and Hit's entire exsistance.
Good point. Buu is still potentially dangerous to someone stronger than him because of his abilities. Better dodge tha... guess not.
It's unfortunate that the candy fight highlights Toryiama talents (silly gags) while at the same time showing where he sucks (still at this point he's pushing away the idea of a balanced power system only to choose numbers)
It could have been so nice in Dragon Ball if there was even a single fight where skill, talent, or even just determination and resourcefulness could win the day. Alas, those only ever seen to be at best crutches to allow the protagonists to survive long enough to reach their next power up.
@@EmeralBookwise Red Ribbon Army arc
Logically speaking, none of those abilities should be able to work on characters who are significantly stronger. If that were the case, then it would be silly having to realize somebody like General Blue could beat the Grand Priest.
In Italy he is called Vegekou.
Extremely cathartic and well put!
Aside, I wish Goku had fused with Tenshinhan, that would have been epic, let Vegeta stay dead >
Also 'MOOD' on Super retconing stuff, its why I see it as 'canon' as GT.
I look at the earrings and Vegeta a different way. Vegeta's "Oh great, tell me NOW" are a subtle jab at Goku (This is classic you, Kakarot!) and Goku's "Thanks, Vegeta" (IN ENGLISH IN THE JAPANESE ANIME NO LESS) is an acknowledgement that its a sacrifice. Vegeta still puts on the earrings, he doesnt even hesitate, he just says "Like this? Is this right?". He's ALREADY redeemed and it shows. They both know they'd do it anyway, because it needs to be done, and they're in that buddy-cop movie thing where they irritate the heck out of each other doing it. I like THIS moment more than I do when Vegeta says Kakarot is #1. Its understated, and it plays to both characters' faults and strengths in ways that are interesting.
It's just so funny that they introduce Goku knowing this fusion dance, but he's unable to use it because he has to go back to being dead, so he teaches it to 2 pretty inconsequential characters. Literally ANYBODY with media literacy will say "OH, this is setting up Goku fusing with either Vegeta or Gohan" but then they come up with a last minute OTHER fusion instead of just making the original work. It's just so weird, it feels like Toriyama goes out of his way to NOT pay off any of his setups.
"Sorry Mike" lol
I personally love this back and forth of the Buu Saga.
Everything feels so unpredictable like a real conflict would be
"Everyone loves this guy and I don't know why?"
Personally, I just really liked the Ocean Dub Performance of Brain Drummond in the role by himself. I don't think much of the English script of the show at the time mind you. But I just really like his performance.
There's this playful Goku-vibe to his voice, while Drummond also being Vegeta's voice actor ends up making it sounds like a proper combo voice of the two.
But otherwise... yeah, I don't think much of the" character".
Brian Drummond is a great Vegeta honestly. I personally have never liked Chris Sabat’s Vegeta.
Love this series been watching for a decade I remember these and they’re still feeling the same
At the time, Vegito felt like a character we would absolutely never see again. A slight glimpse at this cocky, godlike goofball that just was dropped into the story for a nice bit of fun. And the mode of getting his fusion meant it was only a one time thing. They were just lucky buu’s digestion was magical (I guess..?). Not to disregard the criticisms, they’re all absolutely valid, but it makes sense why as kids we all loved this dude
I still think the way they unfused without any actual explanation was the perfect way to retcon it. The only problem was why did the Elder Kaioshin make such a fucking big deal about it being permanent then. I forgot who told them it was only permanent for the gods but I'm hoping they didn't screw up and have the Elder Kaioshin say that too. Been a while since I seen those episodes.
@@VideoGameMasters09: it was the other universe Kai who revealed potara was temporary for mortals, and with zero explanation for why our elder Kai wouldn't have also known that.
Honestly, since other universe Kai was there it would probably have made more since if it was just the potara from his universe that worked differently that way, since obviously he was there and so the option of using his earings instead could have worked without needing to recton anything.
@@EmeralBookwise damn good point though it's good seeing elder kaiohshin get one upped once in a while.
Would you say he’s just Kaioshin in a Kibito suit?
Nah. Who'd ever use a weird phrase like that? I bet it'd be the same kind of crazy person who'd turn it into a running gag. ;-)
"Kaioshin in a Kibito wig"
While there isn't much about Booccolo, there is something interesting about his design: in this chapter we saw that he only had Piccolo's cape, but in the future, when Gokuh and Vegeta start removing the coocoons, we see Booccolo again but this time he also wears Piccolo's purple gi. The difference probably has to do with the fact that the first Booccolo is Mr. Boo + Piccolo + Trunks + Goten whereas the second Booccolo is only Mr. Boo + Piccolo.
Yep, that is indeed true. It's something I didn't notice until I was editing the next installment!
I noted on another comment that this probably gets overlooked because the anime miscolored the second Buuccolo like the first Buuccolo, even though it drew his pink "skin" like a loose shirt.
25:15 I see you! Part 25 on Dec 25 lol I luv ya dude! Never change and Happy Holiday Season to you! 🥰
I love these frequent updates
I hate how the potara are meaningless in modern Dragon Ball now, sure in the Buu arc they kinda backed out on the permanent thing but it was explained that Goku and Vegeta kinda lucked out. It was a one time thing and Vegetto would never return. Because of the stupid retcon there's no reason to use the fusion dance ever again.
As for Vegetto himself....I don't get why they love him so much either. Gogeta is clearly the better fusion anyway.
Never underestimate the benefit of good fashion :-)
No, but seriously, for years upon years I know there were people who preferred Vegito over Gogeta simply on the grounds of one being "canon" and the other not. It's probably one of the most absurd examples of people worshipping at the alter of Toriyama senpai.
After all, the fusion dance is just a technique. There's absolutely no reason Vegeta couldn't learn it. This should have only been all the more true in Super, and if they wanted Goku and Vegeta to use a temporary fusion against Zamasu it should have been with the dance (there having been more than enough time over the intervening years for Vegeta to have learned it off screen) instead of retconning the earings... and yet I can still remember when I pointed it out back then that there where fans shooting me down solely over the objection that Gogeta could never appear in Super because he wasn't "canon".
I don't care for either of them. I really don't see how gogeta is supposed to be any better. They act the same, they both are just big numbers and they both only appear very briefly.
7:44 I like Buucolo for the brief 2 panels he's there for
I'm also intrigued by the other Buucolo with the dark pants and shirt we get the next time he powers down! I noticed the anime miscolored him as this first Buucolo and so gave him a pink "shirt".
So, you brought up the movie affecting the plot here, so this might be my last chance to bring it up.
I have this theory, that similar to how potara came about because gogeta was planned for the movie, that Super Buu as a whole, was also built from, toriyama hearing plans for janemba, and subconciously working in some of those concepts into Buu for this series. Maybe even conciously, but my reason for this is that, Presumably, the Fusion movies plot and characters would likely have been planned out as early as when the last movie finished production and went out. While stuff like Gotenks and Ultimate gohan would have been the last things worked into the script, well into when toriyama would have been already planting seeds for his revisions.
So while this doesn't mean much in story, this might mean that the critique for Janemba being a knock off buu is misled, as Janembas only similiar elements with buu likely were set up BEFORE buu himself even had those traits added to his character.
"Potara rings last forever"
Retcon: "yeah.... about that...."
Grumble, grumble... they already had a temporary alternative they could have used instead... grumble, grumble...
i like that Super had them wish themselves into being two people once again, I think it's cool that they thought to do that
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A strong character in dragon ball, who is over confident, and a fusion? Woah there!! Lets hope this doesn't get overplayed in dragon ball!!
It was arguably already done with Cell
Always made some internal sense to me. Goku has shown to hold back when he can, even as a child. Vegeta on the other hand can be quite vain when in a position of power, as shown on Namek and against Android 19.
Combine that you get an opponent who looks like he is barely trying while showing he is more powerful.
It's hardly exclusive to fusions. Almost every character in Dragon Ball who is stronger than their opponent displays similar overconfidence and/or arrogance.
The baby sound effect had me dying
What baby sound? That sounded like Vegeta to me.
Is it my Birthday? No?
A new MistaireFusion upload you say? *Even better.*
5:12 I don't think I've ever related so much for his frustration in any DBD ever before as much as I do in this moment.
Probably already read this, but a plausible explanation would be that Vegetto is a Vegeta dominat fusión and Gogeta is a Goku dominant one. 😗
The idea that there is a dominant personality seems somewhat antithetical to fusion, the dance version in particular. It's made very clear that for the dance to work both participants have to be in perfect sync with each other.
@@EmeralBookwise martial sync, ki sync, but (and I may be wrong) dont recall anything about their personalities having to match or be balanced. It would also explain why with the potaras that requieres no martial skill Vegeta (that leans more into raw power) comes on top and with the dance is Goku the leading one. Of course this is just headcanon and speculation 😗. For example at a technical lvl theres no particular explanation why different fusion methods would generate different personas, yet they seem to do. Like lets say Gotens and Trunks use the potaras, what would be the result? Logic dictates that theres no reason for the result to just be Gotenks, but the narrative facts seem to indicate otherwise.
@@NicolasCaja: except the different techniques don't seem to result in different persons. The only example we have is Goku and Vegeta, but their fusion vs Janemba can hardly be taken as an example because the movie never has the time to show us anything about that persona. So that just leaves us with Gogeta's appearance in the Super Broly movie, a movie were he doesn't really speak of Vegito like it was a different personality, just another name he's used under different circumstances.
The pretense that Vegito is less serious doesn't really hold water either. Yes, he seems that way vs Buu, but he was faking that to goad Buu into absorbing him. By contrast, when Vegito fights Zamasu, he doesn't really waste any time and just goes all out as hard as he can, only running out of fusion time because no one expected SSB to burn through it so fast.
@@EmeralBookwise wait, is that even true? I just go back to watch the fusion scene and Gogeta doesnt seems to consider himself another version of Vegitto, but his own fusion-persona, thats why he stops to come up with the name Gogeta before going to punch Broly
Not too say that Gogeta and Vegitto look different even beyond the clothes
Vegitto has always come to me as a cocky Vegeta, while Gogeta seems a serious Goku
that would also explain by Vegitto uses Kakarot instead of Goku 😗
I was rewatching this vid and just saw I left this comment months ago 😂
1:30 That WOULD explain how Goku's apparently still alive 100 years in the future at the end of GT.
That, or the fact he also fused with the Dragon Balls.
I was thinking the same thing
I love your analysis
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14:22 That panel of Buu cracks me up for whatever reason. "Grrrrgh...!"
I never noticed that earring discreptency with Shin's before now. I can't remember if the anime also changed it but you'd think going from Zarbon to Android 19 and 20's would be a downgrade.
Well, Vegeta had a grudge against Buu, because Buu survived from his explosion.
Since when was Vegeta mad at Buu for simply surviving his technique? And what does that have to do with anything in the video?
And Buu making Vegeta’s sacrifice meaningless.
@@koustavray35 The only reason Vegeta return on Earth was because King Yemma kept his body around and wanted Vegeta to help Gohan fight Buu. It's not like Vegeta just randomly told Yemma to keep his body for a rematch.
Past 15 minutes is tge conversation ALL DB fans have with themselves
(W/o nearly as much research)
This was really interesting, not in the sense of you know surprise, but interesting one hearing what you didn't like... Which actually gave me an answer to why i didn't find Vegetto interesting and i wanted to just move on, and didn't understood why everyone was so hype about it... Now i have it... Thanks for giving me this answer :D