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Character Arcs Are 'Number One' - Dragon Ball Dissection: The Majin Boo Arc Part 27!
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- Опубліковано 27 лют 2022
- Dragon Ball Dissection enters the final battle against Majin Boo! Punches are thrown, blasts are blasted, but what's really important is the heart and soul. After a long stretch of forgettable and pointless bits of action, does this arc finally stick the landing?
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As you may or may not know, the powers that be have taken issue with my using Dragon Ball music in the opening. I suppose that's certainly their right. As a result, I have made the difficult choice to replace the opening music in most of The Boo Arc videos with a new, UA-cam-friendly piece. I hope you like it. As a compromise, I have retained the original music in a few select Boo Arc videos scattered across the arc. For those who miss the original, follow this link to the opening as I uploaded it in 2020. Thanks so much for your support!
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The idea that Vegeta committed to Bluma and Trunks as a training strategy is so hilariously on brand for him, that I'm adopting it as a headcanon.
Its so funny and would be something fun to see adapted into an abridged series.
I dont know how TFS missed this.
@@Jose-se9pu It wouldn't really come up until this section of the story. Which they never got anywhere close to.
And to play into his following point about things in Dragon Ball being allowed to be jokes and serious at the same time, that interpretation doesn't invalidate what ACTUALLY happened which was Vegeta realizing he did care about his son right after watching Cell kill Trunks right before his eyes, humbling himself by apologizing to Gohan after having a pointless tantrum about it, and then helping to defeat Cell by blasting him with the distraction beam and taking the second chance afforded to actually take the Being A Dad thing seriously afterwards. They can both be true.
Same here, I love it. lol
So I think you’ve generally nailed what I was going for. The thing that exacerbates the idea that the speech is treated as a gag (not discrediting the truth of what Vegeta said as true) is the ending it leads to. If the punchline isn’t hit at the end of the joke and Vegeta thinks his work is done then he doesn’t come up with the plan that would actually save the universe. Alongside the Kanzenban ending which still has Vegeta seeking to surpass Goku - I think the speech is something the character learns from BUT he realizes that Goku isn’t as unbeatable as he was making him out to be. This is also why I think the lesson that ends the Boo Arc is team work. The only way Toriyama could tie up the constant protagonist whiplash is to have “everyone works together” as the actual way to beat Boo. Great video!
A lot of my favourite gags are in service of and play off true statements. Vegeta's speech being handed a gag does not discredit what he said, it just utilises the situation to make a joke. Goku still wins, the universe is still saved and Goku still asserts himself as the hero once and for all. But also it's funny how in that moment Goku is like "I dunnoooooooo"
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One of my reasons it works as a joke is it's a realization that would have helped a lot in almost any of the other story arcs. It would have helped a lot if Vegeta realized Goku was a lot stronger than him in the Frieza arc. It REALLY would have helped things if he accepted that in the android or cell arc.
Now he recognizes, and it's still true, it's just not pertinent in this one case.
Kazenban isn't canon
@Kate Grant I always loved Kid Buu because the thing people seem to forget is Toriyama is just kind of a goofy guy in general. Comedy and fun come first for him and action comes second, but everyone always seems to take Dragonball super seriously like it's this super grim dark type of epic. So for a final villain, Kid Buu is perfect. He's goofy, dances, beats his chest, and while everyone desperately tries to put him down, he laughs the entire time. So it makes perfect sense for every thing, even the serious moments to be a little silly.
The fact that Toriyama swapped Lunch out for Android 17 during the victory lap cameo sequence is both hilarious and depressing at the same time. Such is the tragic fate of Lunch.
Yeah not sure what dude's deal with her is lol. It's looking like intentional at this point
At least the anime included her.
@@mechajay3358 Even that is weird as it really doesn't look like her. It took me the longest time yo realize it was her.
If she sneezes twice in a row, she turns into #17!
We'll just retcon #18 to being a roboticized Launch.
Man, I can't believe how close we are to finishing the original manga run. It has been a fun ride, and I can't wait to see all that follows it.
Honestly, the moment when Mr. Satan asks everyone on Earth for help will always be my favourite moment in the entire Dragon Ball franchise.
Yup
It's the one really good moment of this arc that I can't imagine anyone hating.
It really was awesome. Lance’s analysis had me wondering. What if Blooma had simply revealed who defeated Piccolo Daimao? What if Goku had remained in the spotlight after winning the Tenkaichi Budokai and beating Piccolo? The Dragon Team could’ve gotten the same reverence that Mr. Satan gets. It doesn’t have to go against the martial arts philosophy. If they had good pr, they could’ve gained more support from Earth.
I think it's dumb how the earth forgot goku saved the world and forgot the red ribbon army and king pikkoro...even jr...that's kinda bizarre to me...
@@razkable It’s due to bad & comedic style story telling lol
Mr. Satan and Vegeta really were the MVPs of this arc, character-wise, even the Fat Buu had some decent characterization from start to end, and this is all pretty hilarious considering this arc started off with such a heavy focus on Gohan, only for his arc to stagnate and flounder. At least he gets to live out his career as a scholar, and marry Videl.
Fat Boo was not only fighting himself, he knew he was going to die...and he kept fighting to protect his friend.
Gohan trying to stop boo and become goku even wear his gi failed hard because he didn't earn the win..
....he sat and surpassed ssj3?....he made the same mistake he did acting cocky vs. cell...
@@razkable I do like that in Dragon Ball Super, this is brought up. Given how he's treated in this story, I like that they try to use that as a way to better him.
Now I don't really like that he makes the same mistake *again*, or a lot of stuff that leads to that moment, or how he just becomes kinda OP again afterwards without really earning it... but in isolation, I like that the writers did what they could with the situation.
I'm a little sad that you sorta just skimmed over the wish to give Goku his strength back. It's pretty short, but I've always really liked it, especially in regards to this being the finale of the series. These titular objects, the things that the series is named after, have kinda fallen by the wayside for a lot of the story as it went on. But now here, at a point in time where the balance of power constantly fluxes back and forth between the heroes and villain (like a Tennis Match), what is the *final* thing that pushes the heroes to ultimately overcome the villain and secure a victory? It was the Dragon Balls. The namesake of the series. The objects where everything began.
I mean, I know it's technically the Namekian Dragon Balls and not the Earth ones', so maybe it's not quite as poignant. But I always thought it was kinda cool.
And Goku saying, "Thank you, Dragon Balls!" tops it all off like icing on a cake.
I mean... Even without wishing for goku strenght back they win thanks to the dragon balls. You really don't need that wish because goku will have the right amount of strenght needed to push that genkidama at the right time, it's all up to the writer. Goku has the upper hand whenever it's decided by the writer and he arrives at the right time whenever the writer decides so. Of all the wishes that's the most useless one
@@silversoul2770exactly, that moment cheered me up so much as a kid, since thankfully i grew up with the OG DB and not just Z, that moment really hits after experiencing the whole series, from his childhood to now. Its perfect.
I didn't want this episode to end! Whenever you dedicate so much focus to a section you love and believe succeeds are the times I can really feel why you started these videos in the first place. Let's roll through to the finish!
There’s so much I could gush about with this finale. Vegeta’s monologue, fat buu’s reemergence, to mr. satan asking everyone for their energy, the cameos from characters long forgotten and the first time in canon that the GenkiDama actually worked. I think I’ll say my favorite part of this arc is the face goku makes once the genki Dama is complete. Like even he’s surprised by how big it is. That feeling is the weight of his whole planet on his shoulders. Everyone he’s saved whether they know it or not are now saving him. It’s such a fantastic way to end the story. Goku wins, not by merely his own power but because of the power of everyone he’s ever met. If that’s not a great finale I don’t know what is
If the Buu Saga spent 15% more time focusing on character interactions and providing more compelling completed character arcs, and less time on monotonous fighting, it would have been elevated by SO much. With that being said, the final confrontation against Kid Buu really does stand out with the interaction and assistance of both a more reasonable and almost likeable Vegeta, and of course Mr Satan.
The fighting isn't even that much longer than the Cell or Frieza Arcs.
@@JackOfen It certainly doesn't feel that way though.
It doesn’t help with the constant asspulls and Goku intentionally holding back and offering bad advice just for it to not matter at all, makes it feel like the story is just constantly padding itself with the characters wasting time for nothing.
The Boo arc starts that way, but...is not what fans at the time wanted.
GT suffered from the same problem.
@@Jose-se9pu No Toriyama changed the original story all on his own. He never said it was because of negative feedback. If it was then I'm sure he'd keep doing what he was doing hoping to win them over. Rather than immediately changing everything.
The discussion of Dragon Ball's humor and how it doesn't undermind the drama was a very good point. Toriyama does tend to do it pretty well since Dragon Ball was always a comedy. You've pointed out how the Boo arc was a return to it's comedic roots, when the Saiyan, Freeza, and Cell arcs were otherwise serious affairs.
Looking forward to the next part!!! Times are a changing, and who knows, maybe another (one last) "Dragon Ball Fashion Extravaganza".
I’m in complete agreement with you on the merits of this final sequence. Other arcs may be better in their totality, but none of them - none, not Freeza or Artificial Humans or 23rd Budokai - manage a resolution as masterful as this one. It’s why I disagree with any fan who thinks that the series “should” have ended at some earlier point.
Dragon Ball, whatever its ups and downs, has a lighthearted tone. And a lighthearted tone deserves an unambiguously happy ending, which this arc delivers.
I agree as well.
You took the words right out of my mouth. I couldn’t picture a better finale for dragonball.
I agree with you.
Tbh I think the final tournament kinda takes away from that unambiguously happy ending, especially the revised ending with Vegeta's infamous line. Goku could've spent his time training Pan-and heck he was already doing that-rather than running away with Uub. I think I get what Toriyama was going for-emphasizing Goku's happy-go-lucky mindset and excitement for new challenges. But that kinda came at the cost of his character, especially with how he abandoned Pan. That's cold, man.
@@purerage7963 100% agree. That's where both Super and GT improve upon the original story, filling in the blanks with Goku actually spending time with his real friends and family.
Kid Buu being all noodlely is always a highlight
He's the perfect foil to goku...
I don't know why it's so amusing to make fun of Vegeta but I love him. The fact that he's seen as this epic badass by the younger audience while simultaneously causing older fans of the series to cringe and dunk on him every time he gets his ass kicked just makes it better. Despite all his flaws, or perhaps because of them, he's still a solid character.
Just say its nostalgia, despite how obnoxious he was, he still got screentimes and power ups every arc and dragonball boils down to fights so obviously he is gonna looked more fondly than the non saiyans which the story treats like garbage.
Vegeta is trash and lame he cause so many issues in the story he dies twice he didn't defeat anyone he never surpasses goku fully he gives up easily he is cocky arrogant a genocidal maniac he's got anger issues pride insecurity he's small so he's got short man petty syndrome he's got royal above you syndrome but people legit see him as something more than just being a ssj kururin or pikkoro and its kinda funny and sad....vegeta barley does mere than what those 2 added during z yet people see him on gohan and goku character level..it's a joke....remember when he cried vs freeza twice or talked about not hugging trunks or how he made a family thinking that would boost his power cause goku had one and it didn't increase his strength so he felt he wasted his time..look at his no job having no money making ass....he treats blooma like its the 1940's..she just too smart to stand for that yet she takes it from him unlike from others cause she thinks hes smarter than most....and in super he regressed...he didn't earn his ending imo...him dying in the boo saga would of given him some catharsis as a character imo...hell his death speech on namek still works for me....because of how wrong he is...and how goku denies it at first cause of how different they are....weird how he got a burial but not tenshinhan yamcha or pikkoro
@@Thisdude850 as a young kid I loved vegeta he was my fave character maybe in all of anime but as you grow up while you can respect his growth it took far too long with too much regression and in the end amounted to very little and is unrealistic and knowing now that he was originally meant to be a generic villian that died either on earth or namek I can see how his character is not that interesting at first glance and why he never fully becomes good cause he was meant to be a total opposite foil to goku when he was created before middle of namek so when he slowly changes it feels forced and weird and takes time and you can never go full circle without ruining what made vegeta interesting....it's good writing wise but a character arc is not all I need as an adult to enjoy characters and vegeta only has that going for him cause the rest of him is meh....it hurts that as a kid we got z first for years before og db got to the later arcs of og db where I could grow with kid goku the way we did with kid gohan over time and thus understand why goku is more than just a generic hero in z...we ended z before we got to the end of king pikkoro or the 23rd budokai in og dun wise.....now he's my fave character in the series cause he's more complex than that and I saw him grow up unlike with vegeta...as adults we are more likely to stay the same than change so vegeta changing as much as he did in his late 20's makes no sense to me from a realistic standpoint....usually we change as later aged teens into who we are for life for the most part with minor tweaks
I agree I love to hate Vegeta as a adult but I still loved him and his character arc
Speak for yourself. "Older fans" don't all have the same views and tastes, same with younger audiences. Most Vegeta fanboys are 20+ aged men.
Yeah, no matter the flaws of this arc, I think the very end of the fight and its resolution is pitch perfect. Goku thanking the Dragon Balls themselves is another good "capper" moment.
I think Kid being able to hurt Fat Boo is actually kinda neat. Boo is this big jumble of bullshit powers that in a roundabout way it makes sense and is kinda funny only another Boo would be able to break or negate said bullshit.
Gohan, Gotenks, and even Goku were able to hurt him, they didnt win their respective fights because the plot didnt want to.
Gohan is canonically much stronger than Kid Boo.
@@Jose-se9pu not even by nonsensical "power scale" standards set from people who don't understand that it's a story, but from Goku himself.
@@Jose-se9pu Buu's ridiculous regeneration would restore his power and stamina extremely quickly in those fights. The distinction is that Kid Buu could weaken him permanently (within the fight's duration).
Also, Gotenks is canonically stronger than Kid Buu too. His Super Saiyan 1 form rivalled Fat Buu, and 3 is far stronger than that.
@@Jose-se9pu Toriyama has said verbatim that Goku was the "number 1 strongest" during this arc before. Goku and the Daizenshuu both say that the universe would have absolutely no hope if he and Vegeta lost, despite Gohan and Gotenks being a thing. Vegeta shot down the idea of bringing them to the battlefield. The narrator in Super states that Goku was the undisputed strongest after Buu was defeated. A spirit bomb with Gohan's power in it was said to "not to be enough" to defeat Kid Buu by Goku himself. In what regard have Gohan and Gotenks ever been implied to canonically be stronger than Goku and Kid Buu?
@@purerage7963 Case in my point, my previous comment.
Yeah, I'll have to agree that the final confrontation is the best part of the arc, and that Toriyama's use of Mister Satan is just about perfect.
I think the “the dead can still die” thing should’ve been made an exclusive attribute to Buu. Demonstrated, as an example, with Buu teleporting to the afterlife to look for Goku and Vegeta after they escaped. He comes across either souls relaxing in Heaven or fighters training with one of the Kais. They try tell him off, and then he casually kills one of them, their vanishing from existence giving a final showcase of just how terrifyingly dangerous Buu is, that even the dead aren’t safe from his slaughter.
So sorta what almost happened in the anime but better
I always thought that "The dead can die again" only happens because Vegeta got brought back for one day thanks to Baba.
Sort of like how Piccolo Daimao could leave people's souls in limbo because he was a demon? Since we're talking about a Ma-jin here, an extension of that ability would be some good as hell continuity.
@@purerage7963 Didn’t even realize that. That’d fit perfectly. 😁
@@purerage7963 Its works extra good here because the Demon's could also perma kill an unkillable magic cloud so that fits in just perfectly.
"King Kais really gotta learn when to cut the mic" lmao
Agree, this is the fight i remember the most outside of the Saiyan-jin arc fights, and not because of action, but because of the actions of everyone. It's amazing
This is how all Dragon Ball fights should be. Even Mr. Satan plays a significant role. It would be nice if Toriyama had always given the weaker characters something to do. Like with Yajorobi from back during the fight against Vegeta.
Honestly, the 17 recognizing Goku's voice thing could be explained away easily enough by saying like "Dr Gero implanted recordings of Goku into 17 and 18s memory"
It was later explained in the Super manga, 17 heard Goku's voice and saw him, when he was inside Cell.
I appreciate so much you bringing up the brilliance of Satan's involvement in this final conflict, it's one my favorite parts in Dragon Ball
I remember being annoyed at him taking the credit for Cell and such, but after his genuine friendship got fat buu to stop having fun by killing and even his public image helping to get goku the energy he needed, he long since properly earned what he had at that point for me. Even Super had him give Goku a hefty sum for his efforts in gratitude.
All these rationalizations just remind me so much of playground fights... "I hit you with my magic sword!" "Wait, I have a cloak that protects against it!" Lol
That's more like the dick measuring power up tennis 🎾 sections of the last three arcs.
This was definitely one of the best resolutions if not the best in dragon ball. The arc had a lot of problems, but reached a very satisfying conclusion that mixed wit AND character growth. So fun.
I always liked bringing back the Genki Dama for the ending. The move that almost beat him. It gets Satan involved and everyone pitches in. Perfect for a series closer.
This fight really signifiy the conclusion of the series. The poignant speech Vegeta gives being a major turning point in his character. And the fact that Goku has received energy from every he's met over the years to take out Buu really does give a sense of closure. Mr. Satan is definitely the MVP of this Arc.
Awesome episode. I was never a Mr. Satan person before viewing these videos, but you’ve put it into perspective that he does have a great journey that was foreshadowed even during the Cell Games when he swallows his pride and carries #16's head to Gohan so he can say his piece, which also proves key in saving the day. Nice moment.
I’m really happy that the arc culminates with a Spirit Bomb being the way to save the day. I’d even argue that Buu should never have been defeated by anything else the moment the gunman shot the puppy and Mr. Satan.
The arc starts with both the idea that a person can make a difference, and the idea that the lessons of the past can be forgotten by humanity giving in to their vices. Between Spopovich, Babidi’s magic, Majin Vegeta, and the gunman, that latter idea is continuously made and culminates with Buu, the representation of those vices and carefree disregard, and his rampage and eventual destroying the Earth, the ultimate punishment, So it’s only proper that Buu goes down with the representation of the former idea, an attack with energy collected by people for altruistic intentions in order to make a difference. Fusion and Gohan had no choice but to be sidelined in order to get to that point imo but I’m honestly ok with that for the thematic payoff.
It's actually pretty awesome to have experienced this series in some way during its release, I have no doubt that DBD will leave an enduring legacy.
I hope people se that through these vids you can like something that's poorly written hate on good choices understand that flaws don't break a series and you can critque something you love and that appealing to fans matters more than writing the best story and that's OK cause otherwise people may not care which means more than writing the best story ever that no one cares about cause its about money legacy marketing and fanservice otherwise there is no story funding or audience to tell your story too... dragonball at its core is flawed but at the same time thats what makes it appealing to so many cause it tries so much even when it fails...it's hard to make arcs centered on generic villians you have to overcome who are much stronger than the last..that is an idea that should fail on first glance so the fact it didn't is amazing
Can’t believe this is a series 10+ years old! Admittedly I hopped on pretty late in the game, but watching this from start to finish and seeing all of your interest and well-crafted thoughts on the series has been a joy to watch.
Hot take boo was the perfect final villian for dragonball because like the series itself he is putty aka he can be molded any way and goofy nice mean scary dumb and weird just like akira writing style being a melting pot so is boo himself and the final saga itself..he uses innocent things like candy and goo and makes them horrifying..he can develop he can be uncontrollable he can be a child an adult a teenager whiny cocky have different forms be a threat but also helpful want a challenge but also want to win at all costs...he defines dragonball well imo and is the perfect foil and opposite to goku...magic overcoming tech is a good escalation in power and boo like cell can get hurt henjust regenerates so while their strong the real difference between them and freeza is you have to kill them with one blow or else they come back...
Glad to see you praising the ending for all the things I love about it.
Still I think the anime gives this arc a lot of the things that makes it so great to me.
7:45 I mostly agree with this assertion. Goku's reaction to Vegeta telling him to let his power loose always makes me laugh. However, it's not that Vegeta's realization is the joke, Goku's reaction to it is.
That's what he said. Vegeta's realization is the build-up and Vegeta's face when he learns the truth is the punchline.
"You are better than me, Kakarot. You are the best..."
DBS: Yeah let’s see how long THAT sticks around…
The Buu Arc had a great start, a kind of rough middle, and a pretty great end, though I wish Gohan, Goten and Trunks were somehow a part of the final fight to tie everything that happened together better. This part was still great for Mr. Satan and Vegeta though.
I mean they added to the spirit bomb and got people to raise hands
Congrats on making it this far. Been watching this series since 2015.
Thank you! I appreciate you sticking with it. I still can't believe 2015 is now a long time ago. I spent most of my life thinking of 2015 as "the future." =P
@@MistareFusion Yep... 7 years ago. That also means Resurrection of F and Super are 7 years old. Time really does fly.
@@MistareFusion I hope you agree with me that the 2nd half of dragonball aka the z portion with gohan could of been better if we went from saiyans to androids to freeza to boo in that order rather than the order akira chose to take...I can accept gero creating cyborgs stronger than vegeta on earth and kaioken x3 goku...once we get to power level 2 million range I just lose all sense of wonder because kururin for example on namek without having zenkai boosts goes from like 2,000 to 200,000 very fast and goku gohan vegeta get insane zenkai boosts during the arc that I can't believe gero without seeing their namek fights could build people that could beat a ssj who trained for years knowing they were coming....it's just too much
I realised something: Toriyama didn’t need to write Elder Moori upgrading Porunga’s 1-resurrection-per-wish rule to group resurrections. If they had let Dende die from Kid Buu blowing up Earth, they could have used a non-upgraded Porunga’s first wish to restore Earth and then resurrect Dende…which would have instantly restored Earth’s Dragon Balls and available to summon Shenron, as shown back during the Frieza Arc when Kami got resurrected and Earth’s Dragon Balls were useable again even though a full year hadn’t passed since Roshi made the wish to resurrect Goku.
9:00 I thought the joke was that goku didn't trust vegeta o hold on for even 1 minute. As in contrasting all the trust vegeta has in Goku's ability only for goku to go "yeah you're pretty much dead weight here gets, not even useful to buy time"
It shows how much more vegeta is obsessed with goku while for goku vegeta isn't as nearly important in his life.
The end of the buu saga is my favorite. The way everyone comes together to beat buu is genius and beautiful. Satan being the one to bring everyone on earth together to beat buu is so rewarding
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Bruh, Vegeta "lets go of his PRIIIIIIIIIIIIDE" like, every other week in Super.
Vegeta's speech being a joke is something that seems more likely as time goes on. With his portrayal in modern works like Super and the final page of the Kanzenban release, it seems like the only work that actually took it seriously besides the rest of the Buu Saga was GT ironically. He pretty much starts where he ends off there and not regress back into "I will surpass you, Kakarot!".
Vegeta is definitely one of the better things about GT, he actually feels like a completed character(even feels different). He even says he's the protector of Earth, he has never said that anywhere else, not even in Super. And he knew exactly where Goku was going at the end. Shows just how well he knows him.
Heck, he sent everyone away and was completely willing to die to stop Omega Shenron. "You must live on" he said.
I am of the opinion that this joke thing is an attempt at explanation by the Dragonball fanboys to explain DB Super and the character Vegeta there.
I'm hearing it for the first time too. It's clearly an attempt at a Redcon.
Vegeta clearly states that Goku is number one because he is better than himself in the first place and not because he is stronger than Boo or the strongest in the universe at the time.
Goku was almost always weaker than his opponents. See Muten Roshi, Tau Bai Bai, Piccolo, Vegeta Himself, Freeza, Cell. Despite this, he almost always won and has become even stronger as a result.
That makes him number one. Vegeta recognized that and even explains it.
It was also about Vegeta having a rivalry and finally realizing that Goku is better even when he was weaker than himself. See the first fight between the two.
Why Vegeta makes such a joke face has nothing to do with this realization. It's about Goku being weaker than he actually is. Neither Vegeta nor Goku himself knew that Goku couldn't show his full strength as ssj3, because both didn't know that this level, being alive, consumes far too much energy.
PS: That even records super just by the way.
Hence Vegeta making that 'joke' face. The joke is that Goku, being not alive, could have defeated Kid Boo and thus the situation looks very bad for them again and they destroyed the portaras shortly before as an alternative solution
This is kinda funny to me. Because back when Super didn't exist a lot of people complained that GT regressed his character, because of episode 55 where Vegeta again grumbles about the fact that Goku got Super Saiyan 4 and he doesn't and wants to surpass him again. But as things always are, once a new thing comes out, the thing before becomes "nostalgic" and is viewed on more fondly.
@@JackOfen As far as I remember, he grumbled because he's still a Saiyan. If Goku gets a new transformation then of course he would try to get it right away. He admitted Goku is better than him, he never said he's gonna quit continuing to better himself.
I guess that's sort of just something he can't let go, he can't just let Goku become TOO much stronger than him.
Yeah knowing Toriyama, I fully believe it's a joke, now especially considering how out of nowhere it is
I know it isn't over, but thank you so much for all this content. I really hope your thoughtful analysis continues to get people thinking and laughing.
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I hope people saw with his critiques that dbz like super gt og db and every shounen anime and manga ever has flaws and mistakes constantly and retcons and you can enjoy them despite flaws and that humans make mistakes and the author isn't eating sleeping breathing dragonball like the fans are and has less help than same toei animation has to fix said mistakes....it's a paycheck at the end of the day and not worth killing himself over to make the best story ever...theres plotholes easier solutions left and right and characters make bad choices to move the plot forward even acting different than you expect because it's more interesting...manga is a base where the anime adaptation can enhance or hurt the product and shape it into their style while telling the same basic story so don't take either as god's word or hate on either because their different from what you want..one is more limited by nature and meant to.be built off of with concepts ideas ideals themes morals narrative and messages you can take in different directions...but at its core its unique to that author and that's why it stands out
Damn I actually managed to binge it all in two weeks. And to think this guy has been doing this for 10 whole years and all he's got is 24 k subs and an unusually huge amount of Patrons.
Wow, it’s so weird to hear you say “bring things to a close” yet again it’s been a journey and can’t wait to continue watching next time on Dragon Ball Dissection!
Vegeta pairing with Bulma and having a family being motivated to see if it's an effective way to gwt stronger is hilarious. As a kid when I first heard his speech on TV, the way the line was read made it sound like he was solely motivated to get stronger.
Anyways, it's wild that curtain draws ever so closer to closing. It's been a mystical ride indeed after all these years, glad Fusion gave Yamcha his last hurrah for old times sake. Mr. Satan has definitely been my favorite character arc by far, everyone on the battlefield had their own roles and goals, and put their special skills to use that ultimately contribute in victory against a devastating foe. Always great to see and I wish there was more of that.
Wish stuff like this would return, for the other Earthling characters to showcase their unique skills. Like Yamcha being an ingenious schemer, planner, and knowledge of martial arts.
Knowing Toriyama, that revelation was a joke.
Man, you outdid yourself in this one. Thanks for the time and effort you put into these.
It’s a nice gesture on Vegeta’s part to word it so the people he killed come back, but it’s totally redundant given that they were already brought back. They just end up being Boo victims. Then again this wording probably saved a bunch of people who died in the rioting and stuff like at the hands of people like the duo who shot Mr Satan’s the dog, Bea. I have always wondered what happens to people who get killed by multiple villains. Say you were killed by Piccolo Daimao before and Cell later, Shen Long can’t help you. Porunga probably can. There are definitely some that never get wished back tho like the city Nappa blows up
After so many years I can't believe it's this close to the end. Definitely a GOAT series. 😢
Can't end DB Dissection without doing one more Fashion Extraaavvvaggannzzzaaaa
That will take hmm ten years. I just noticed something. Perhaps the very specific ten year time skip was symbolic of how long the series took to get the end.
I hope there is someway this channel's content gets preserved. 10 years of amazing work.
Yeah funny how for years the Vegeta speech had been lauded as an amazing moment when it comes outta nowhere and he was contradicting what he says in this speech with actions like, 2 minutes prior. Something about Vegeta gives many ppl who grew up particularly on Z a instinctive attachment to the dude but this series does a real good job shedding light on why he really isn't as all that as a character as we'd like to think. At the very least, the job handling his development is insanely sloppy at times. In fact, seeing that moment as a big joke actually saves it lol
it makes more sense why some people idolise vegeta if you see the things he said in english dub only
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In the anime it made sense. He watched goku fight buu for a while and when goku was weakened he stepped up himself only to get beaten up by buu and asked himself how kakarot fought. Then goku steps up to save him and says no matter what happens he will not go down, vegeta stays in awe and so the speech stsrts. The anime sets it up pretty well. Fuck the manga
@@hawshimagical The Anime makes the speech stick MUCH better. It's treated less like a Joke and more like a coming of realization as to why Goku fights and tries to better himself. And when Goku admits he cannot pull himself anymore, Vegeta accepts his position as being inferior to Goku and agrees to help him finish off Buu. It is thus the acceptance that both of them need, for some foes, to just accept their weaknesses and work together.
Nothing wrong with the jokey aspect of the manga, but I find it less of a "haha, good joke" schtick and more of a "Oh f-, we are kinda dead, right?" dread humor.
The whole, don’t fight in groups because of pride thing always annoyed me. Inside of tournament arcs it made sense, but once they outgrew the ring I never liked the whole, “they are so strong you will only get in the way” motif. It’s why the Sayan saga was always my favorite. It was ALL about teamwork. The times they fight alone was when they did the worst, aside from Goku vs. Napa and earlier Goku v. Vegita. I love that Yajirobe even helped. This last few chapters bring back the practical battle strategies that were dormant since most the sayan saga where even the doofus has his part to play.
Not to mention Vegeta wanted to work with Gohan and Krillan when fighting the Ginyu Force.
@@Ineedgames The Saiyans seem to only want help in desperate situations when they know they can't win on their own. But if there's a chance at beating a villain alone, they can't resist a one on one fight.
Considering the way Dragon Ball inconsistently handles stamina vs. power...
It's not so much a mindset, as it is something that depends on the plot. Like...outside of Vegeta, the characters never really care if they get help or not. Goku may start a fight not wanting help, but he'll get it anyway later on.
But then you get moments like a completely exhausted Piccolo Jr. blowing away Tien, Krillin, and Yamcha when they attempt to help and suddenly they all stand no chance now.
The final fight against Majin Boo is my favorite fight in all of Dragon Ball. There is a lot going on, the tension is very palpable.
And I really don't have much to say, your video explains very well why this section of the arc is so fantastic.
Even though the revision to this arc and the original manga in general is coming to an end, it's been great to be able to watch all these videos. Excellent work!
this final villain fight is one of the best in the z era as it felt everyone had a part in it.
I actually completely agree with the speech being a "joke". The speech itself is great and I think it seriously is Toriyama trying to tie up that character arc with a pretty bow. But Toriyama is at heart a comedy writer and I actually chuckled when you pointed that out, it feels like that joke in Abridged where Vegeta is hyping up Goku while he's fighting Cell saying that he'll never give up and then right after that Goku gives up. It's a serious moment with some levity to break the tension.
Goku telling Mr Satan that he’s a true champion is my favorite moment in Dragonball. It justifies Goku’s tendency to see good in others and his decision to save Satan earlier, and it is the payoff for Satan’s genuine efforts to stop the Buu crisis. From this point forward in all of the expanded media, Goku and Satan recognize and respect each other, always offering their strengths to help the other, and never criticizing the other’s shortcomings.
Thematically it is also Goku’s ultimate triumph - the moment where his adoptive planet and it’s people support him when his strength isn’t enough. Everything about his mixed heritage as a sayan on earth throughout the entire story comes together in this moment.
I’m glad to see you draw attention to this scene. I’ve always been surprised at how few people appreciate it.
I started watching this during episode 2 sitting in my old college commons. I'm now at my own desk, in my own office working my career. Thank you for all your hard work. You helped keep my love for Dragon Ball alive
I like your analysis on this final finale. One thing more I'd add is the use of the long forgotten titular objects, the Dragon Balls, to help save the day.
Do you think the Dragon Ball title is still relevant to the series? Because it's generally not what most people think of when they think of this franchise.
Whoa I was not expecting this episode to get so close to the finale. This has been by far my favorite manga analysis series on UA-cam and I've been eagerly awaiting each new video since finding this channel 3 years ago, so the fact that it could realistically be coming to a close next time is surreal. Although I suppose it isn't completely the end yet since there's still the anime adaptation of this arc and all of GT to be covered. But as the rare American fan who got into this franchise primarily because of the manga instead of the anime, it feels incredibly bittersweet to me that the manga coverage is almost complete.
Its incredible how people get teary eye over vegeta FINALLY admiting the most obvious thing, that goku was always better than him, like that somehow erases all the bad he did.
Its about fulfilling that specific character arc. Those two beats can be mutually exclusive.
Vegeta and sasuke are two characters people just like cause they think anti hero writing is complex and adds so much to a narrative.....when really neither character is well done or likeable and just bloat their stories ...now if they died cool that's awesome but neither stays dead...in fact both are bland imo...both needed someone else to change them and both are hypocrites...that alone ruins any depth they may have had as characters cause without goku and naruto these two fail never change....but their fans won't admit it...compare that to say saito and aoshi in kenshin heck even sanosuke to a smaller extent or hiei in yyh aka really well done anti hero characters that didn't change strictly due to the main character forcing them to change through conflict....they made choices and see both sides of issues...they also remain themselves cause they have moral fiber...they aren't wavering floppy pieces of paper that can be dyed any color...their established characters with their own perspectives....I hate characters like vegeta who are defined by others
..who is vegeta at his core...I have no idea
Most people who like Vegeta's character arc didn't actually care about all the bad things he did to begin with...
Vegeta's arc is serviceable at best and it doesn't really matter that he's stating the obvious, since the point of this type of arc is growing enough as a character to admit that, the problem will only ever be how he gets to the ending.
Damn. Dragon Ball Dissection has really come a long way. I really do love this series!
Can't believe you're finally at the end (at least for the original manga), but you're also close to finishing several other portions of the franchise as well; the dragon ball z movies, the dragon ball z tv series. Things will indeed be pretty different around here once you jump into dragon ball gt. Very excited for what's to come!
I suppose if you want to give Vegeta's speech about Goku not killing the benefit of the doubt, Yakon killed Yakon by being too greedy with absorbing energy. Sure, Goku kept feeding him energy knowing something bad would likely happen, but Yakon had to actively try absorbing it on his part for that bad thing to happen to the point of actively ignoring any limitations of his own body. That said, I imagine Vegeta would be very impressed with how much murder, attempted or otherwise, Kid Goku gets up to.
I am so glad I found this channel through Mighty Morphin Zyurangers because I have thoroughly enjoyed this series
Thanks! Definitely glad MMZyu is bringing new viewers as well. Glad to have you.
18:50 No mention of how Android #8 can come back to life with the Dragon Balls, but #16 can't?
I've been waiting all week for this, how wonderful this series is!
This is unironically my favorite final arc final fight in shonen history. So good, the character writing, the nostalgia, the plan itself, everything about this fight is incredible to me. Kid Boo just being a mindless monster obviously takes away some points, but he still has more of a personality than Super Boo after absorbing Piccolo so I can't even complain about that too much. I love this fight because it reminds me why I love this series so much, you can tell me all about the plotholes and conveniences, at the end of the day, Toriyama can write character moments as well as any shonen mangaka out there.
Hercules Satan saves the day is perhaps one of my favorite moments in the entire series. Loved this video as always!
One has to wonder, why didn't 17 and 18 take up on the fighting? Yeah, they are both weaker than Cell, but even back then I don't think there was any reason why they couldn't take up on the fighting, specially given that they both now had family and career that would be worth fighting for
They were living in peace for 7 years. As a housewife, 18 didn't have the desire to train. (Edit) And realistically, she couldn't do anything. 17 was on duty guarding his island at the time and probably thought the Z Warriors had it handled.
You really said it at 9:51. I think the "it's a gag" interpretation puts it at odds with Vegeta's character. Within those few pages, I can kind of see why it all plays off as a joke that you shouldn't take seriously. However, in the grand scheme of the battle, Vegeta takes a definite turn character-wise. He's willing to sacrifice himself, once again, and this time without complaint, solely for Goku to emerge victorious for all of them. There's not even a moment here where he believes he *can* win against Kid Buu. Hell, he even says "I'd like to see this Super Saiyan 3 up close" when Goku's prepping to fight-you'd expect him to grumble about *not* wanting to see it. I just see the gag as a plain funny moment rather than an assertion that Vegeta realized "wait, Kakarrot's actually an idiot, I should be surpassing him after all" as I've seen some saying in order to make sense of his characterization in Super (and the revised ending of the DB manga).
I think the appeal of Vegeta here for some is that he's so resistant to change but gradually acquiesce when it's clear that the path he's on won't lead him anywhere. It's constantly full of setbacks and frustration but it never feel inconsistent with his character. That it takes this long to fully come around feels a lot more truth to life than it has any right to be. It's frustrating... for mostly the right reasons if I'm wording this right..
There's also what you mentioned about DB reforming villains and having them lose what made them appealing to begin with. I think that's why Cell Saga Vegeta onwards has more of a following that he has any right to. I mean, the Dragon Team doesn't really let him join him so much as he comes and goes as he himself pleases.
U got it exactly right, I wish he read this. Vegeta's setbacks enhanced his character arc
@@ZBoy-rc8zf It's something of an personal taste for some. Really, I never saw the team as "letting him join" or "trusting" so much as letting him fight so long as it's not them he's after. He's a like a cat if anything.
@@matt0044 yeah I mean most of them talked about how much of a jerk he was constantly and even now some aren't on good terms with him. The only ones who easily forgave him are Goku and Bulma
@@ZBoy-rc8zf It's better handled in the Anime where he only just returns from space in the Cell Saga's start.
The problem is it makes the others look like complete idiots to keep accepting him no matter how heinous or evil his actions have been. Killing those people for the asinine reason he had the way it's written should have been proof he will never change. But no he gets another chance. How many chances does one murderous dick deserve?
I just found your Dragon Ball Dissection series and am surprised by how long it’s been going on, it’s been going on for a decade sheesh. So underrated though, you should have way more subs for this incredible series! :D
I cant believe we are so close to the end of the original manga run. You are good folk, Mista Fusion, and your work has been fantástico so far.
15:01, course Yamcha forgot to also include the people Dr. Gero specifically killed in the wish, since he only brought back the people Cell killed, so all of those people Dr. Gero killed on that island he eye lasered half of are all still dead dead now.
Yes, there are certainly problems with how The Cell Arc concluded, but that's a totally different wish than the one I'm referring to here. ;-)
Thank you for your long-term work on dissecting this series!
16:15 “It’s possible Dende lack the skills to make his balls better than they already are” I lol’d
Babe I've only been following DBD for two or three years and I still get unreasonably excited when you drop a new vid. The theme song shoots serotonin and/or dopamine right into my cold dead withered receptors. I missed this upload yesterday but my body knew it was time for the next, I search, sure enough here we are...
I honestly love your take and opinions on Dragon ball and other stuff , I discovered your channel in like December and since then I am binge watching DBD
A lot of people see the final fight as simply Goku stealing the spotlight from Gohan to become the hero again. I disagree because Goku fails too. The new super saiyan form is unable to beat Buu. Instead Goku needs to work together with everyone. This is the best way Toriyama could’ve written the defeat of the final villain.
My only real problem with this fight is that once everybody has been resurrected, the obvious best strategy is to teleport Gohan over to Buu (either with a dragon ball wish or Goku's instantaneous movement) because he's by far the strongest fighter at that point and could easily kick Buu's ass. Instead, they go for a hail mary genki dama that they struggle to charge and which may not even work. Narratively, the genki dama and everybody getting involved is really nice, but it logically makes no sense.
Can we count how many times vegeta gets choked out like this? Also gohan getting all those crushing hugs lol. I'm rewatching this cuz I cant wait for your next installment. Were so close to the end and i def dont agree with you 100% ( where would the fun be in that anyways) but I'm jonesing for your take on the ending because ice always been torn. I'm not sure when wrath of the dragon came out but I feel like that might be your next installment and either way more content is better. No one has given such a rich interpretation of the entire db story that I've been so engaged with for years and if I wasn't so poor I would absolutely join patron cuz if anyone has earned it over the years you have sir
This has been super fun catching up on extremely underrated
I love these videos so much and can't help getting a little sentimental knowing the manga run will be over.
Have been watching since 2015.
Agreed about movie 12s ending. I've always had that as a head canon of a story which takes place after goku and vegeta have died many years later (yes it's an insane stretch and would have to kind of ignore the whole crazy raid on earth) but it seems right that the last time goku and vegeta meet is to beat an enemy in the after life from their respective death sentences and then they both smile and say goodbye one more time after working together one final time. Again, its insanely illogical head cannon because it ignores half the story but I feel they should of EVENTUALLY ended their story this way. It would of been both bitter sweet and beautiful
Wonderful video! It’s crazy to think that with all the praise you’ve been giving this arc is still going to only get a score of 1.
You Know, in spite of how great of an ending this is, I still feel really bad about how hard Gohan gets shafted, especially how this arc opened by saying he was going to be the main character(maybe that was another sly Toriyama joke?)! It really makes me wonder if Gohan could have been the main character all throughout without changing too much. Maybe Gohan could be the one to throw the Genki Dana instead? It really bothers me too how Videl doesn’t seem to have much presence here, especially when Mr Satan starts talking. I know she couldn’t have done that much fighting but still, & poor old Launch never even got a cameo at the end:D
Still, I think this was an incredibly satisfying conclusion & is one of my favourite end arc battles alongside Goku’s fight with Piccolo at the 23rd Budokai. Anyway, thanks for the excellent video & I can’t wait to see how you tackle the end of the series!
15:45 my headcanon for this was, that Namekians got the change to do corporate espionage on Earth's dragon balls and added their features to their own's. Why they didn't do it before Dende left Namek,then ummm...
If the next Dissection is your last for the manga I'm gonna miss watching your manga dissections. I've been enjoying your perspective on Dragon Ball for years.
Wow, it’s so weird to hear you say “bring things to a close”. Again, its been a journey and can’t wait to continue watching next time on Dragon Ball Dissection!
Congrats on making it so far!
*looks at the final fights of so many great manga, and then to here.* Its amazing how a manga known for inspiring so many, has such a lackluster end fight.
Vegeta’s speech is a great moment for him as it shows his growth and he realizes why goku is better than him
Another fantastic analysis. Awesome work!!
I’m glad to see someone acknowledge that the Buu arc has the best finale of the series. Everything comes together in a way just works and has you cheering at the end. It even made me like Mr. Satan who I couldn’t stand before this finale.
I never been one to hate him. If I did his befriending of the Fat Boo alone would have won me over.
3:42 lol Vegeta and dirty diapers? lol Vegeta never even held Trunks let alone changed him. Endless arguments though, yeah I can see why he's pissed.
Kind of funny that you mentioned a fotware patch to the dragon balls, and we just got that in the Super Hero movie.
This probably the best fight of the original Z series, no joke. I honestly too don't remember the fight scenes, besides the non-canon Anime only SSJ2 Goku vs Buu. For me this fight has mostly been about the drama and the pieces moving. Is why this particular fight is so damn popular in the videogames. Because the fight works EVEN if the fight itself is different from the canon, as most of the scene is drama and talking. Good shit.
Thank you so much for this content, I really appreciate it ❤️
These types of scenes of characters developing & working together is a reason why I love the buu arc 😂
I think from this point vegeta no longer has this insane obsession to surpass goku it turns into more friendly rivalry that's what I intrepret that speech he made
I always thought it was logical the Namakian Dragon Balls were 'upgraded' after the Freeza Saga.
After their entire race was almost completely whiped out, they realised it could be useful to bring back multiple people at once from the death. They also experienced the fact this was a possibility since the Earth Dragon Balls could do this. Just like how Dende could implement some charasteristics from the Namakian Dragon Balls into Earth's ones, like multiple wishes.
I would have liked the Namakians also did this to bring back the people from the village Vegeta killed, but I don't think this happened. Unless it was mentioned in the Moro arc from Super, but it has been a while since I read it. Possibly the total opposite was stated.