The Final Faces of Boo - Dragon Ball Dissection: The Majin Boo Arc Part 25!
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- Опубліковано 24 гру 2021
- Merry Christmas from Dragon Ball Dissection December! Goku and Vegeta are trapped inside Majin Boo in order to find their absorbed friends and family. Here in this uniquely grotesque location, Toriyama springs his final decisions about Boo's origins.
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We’re rapidly approaching the finale of Dragon Ball Dissection. This has been a fantastic ride
Well, the finale of the original manga run at least.
@@Mewzard something tells me that given what happened to totally not mark’s channel. Lance might be hesitant to venture onwards. Toei doesn’t own the manga but they do own the anime and the DBS and GT anime fall under this banner, at best we’ll get the DBS manga but that’s own going so lances dissection won’t be as applicable with the story still being told as concepts that he tackles are crafted with the full picture.
I don’t think he’d risk his time and effort challenging toei, nor do I think he should. I don’t want DBD to end, but I don’t want him to lose his life’s work to them and UA-cam algorithms
@@SoraBell I mean, he's still doing DBD TV, Movie 12 is next. And that's assuming he can't edit clips on the side of caution.
@@SoraBell All good things come to an end. I will also love it if he continues with DBS and/or GT. And he really should be fine as long as he does not play clips from the anime. But the risk will always be there sadly. But hopefully he will find some other way. Maybe a podcast about DBS where no clips or screenshots are but only his thoughs about the series? I really want to hear him break down Super and GT and say what works and what does not. No DB youtuber is as good at that as Mistarefusion. Even though you sometimes have to sit through something stupid like him complaining about how Bubbles can fly (in a series where almost everyone can fly) for several minutes xD
@@SoraBell I mean, Lance doesn't show bits of animation, just still frames, so I don't think whatever copyright bullshit Toei got going on will affect him if he decides to do GT and Super. Although I'm interested, how would he tackle Super, would he do anime as the main series and manga as the small side add-on like with DBD TV?
It’s impressive how Toriyama created a god in the Southern Kaioshin that is not only useless to the narrative, but useless to the pantheon of gods. He means nothing in story and does nothing but convolute the hierarchy. Kudos
In a way, I kind of enjoy that Dragon Ball's afterlife is a neverending sprawl of bureaucracy where the roles are unclear, no one really knows who's in charge except the little kid who'll make everything explode if he gets bored.
Even going into Super, that series seemingly ignores the fact that supposedly there is a Kaioshin for each quadrant of the universe and one ruling above them all. Only Universe 6 has multiple Kaioshins, and it only had 2
He doesn't really convolute the hierarchy. There were four Kaiou for each quadrant before this too.
It only became a problem with DBS, since that expands shit unnecessarily and seemingly forgets about the possibility of multiple Kaioshin for each quadrant without even giving a potential explanation that different universes simply have different god setups.
@@najadamu2724 But why do we need quadrant Kaioshin when we already had quadrant Kaio? From an in-universe perspective what roles do they serve that one Kaioshin couldn’t fill? And from a writing perspective why introduce this new tier of gods when none of them mean anything to the story and aren’t actual characters? And before anyone says it, if it’s because “lol the joke is that the heavenly hierarchy is convoluted Japanese buerocracy” then that’s a poorly told and unfunny joke because it doesn’t actually mean anything, say anything new or have a proper punchline
Well, apparently, this Kaio Shin was the strongest of the 4 cardinal points and it explained why Buu had to absorb him, because he offered him enough resistance to do so, while having just killed the 2 others right away (as the remaining one became the main one we all know). As for the Elder Kaio Shin, he may not have been the strongest by sheer power actually, but having special powers related to magic instead. I believe the reason why Buu turned temporarly into this form is because the South Kaio Shin was the first to be ever absorbed and as long it was a very long time ago, the absorption effect might just have become permanent after a while (pretty much like expired products, in fact !). Buu's body functions just like any DNA cells, after all : what he consumes is ending up fully digested inside of him, although his body remembers what he used to absorb. So it just showed up previous updates and acts like a bugged-crashed computer from some virus, pretty much...in a very messy, incoherent way, without any doubt about it though ! But only to fully reset himself on and off, that's how I see it.
I can't believe we're this far into Dragon Ball Dissection. The end is incredibly near and I wish it didn't have to end.
There's the rest of the cartoon, and then there's GT, Super, Kai, movies based on Super, and the various live-action movies.
@@Eronicavel GT doesn’t have a manga and Kai is the exact same thing that will be a one video idea. He could do Super’s manga but it’s trash that only a small number of people care about.
@@undiscloseddesires6816 He thinks the Super anime is trash too but he's probably gonna cover it anyway, so.
Maybe a DBD Super?
@@undiscloseddesires6816 super manga isn't trash bra
If Dende had healed Tenshinhan, they all could have grabbed Gohan, Piccolo, Goten and Trunks before being saved by Kaioshin. The God of Earth, everybody!
Tenshinhan could even help with carrying Satan or the puppy. He can create 2 extra arms
Funny thing is he did in the anime during the Vegito fight but completely forgot about him right after.
@@joaocalixto1686 AND 3 EXTRA BODIES!!!
Also, if they managed to grab and save Gohan, then he could have defeat Kid Buu himself, as he was supposed to be stronger than SSJ3 with his mystic form (remember ?) !
@@798jeremy Exactly! I'm not mad that Goku made the last second decision to save Dende and Mr. Satan, the events at least seem to have transpired in the spam of a time frame short enough that not even a SSJ could react fast enough to save everyone, but had Toriyama remembered Tien and Chaotzu were still alive, they could have contributed to saving *everyone* there!
If Toriyama wanted to put Gohan in the Goku spot so bad, and make him late to the party only to come out of nowhere and save the universe, the whole purpose of Vegeta could have been to save Gohan after his loss and Tien could have played an integral part by making the last second save by grabbing everyone who was unconscious and lead to a 'survivors vs ultimate evil' final fight.
The fact Toriyama became unable to write any other character that isn't Goku or plays his role in the lead really made the Boo Saga take a turn for the worst in my eyes. That's why the doujin I started making (and stopped to improve my art before redoing it from scratch) takes place after the Cell Games - so I can give Gohan the lead role by not making him be Goku! At least someone needs to give the boy the spotlight he deserves.
I love Kid Buu's intro. He stands there a second then immediately tries to blow up Earth wi no thought. Goku tries to invoke "hey fight us" but Buu just goes "no U" and blows up Earth. I dunno why but despite everything so far in DB there is something bone chilling about how he so wordlessly sets out to destroy the planet.
I loved how quickly the mood shifts in that chapter. My favourite part is the page after Kaioshin says he's evil incarnate, where there's a huge panel of him screeching, followed by standing still and staring at the ground like a disappointed father, then casually raising his hand to destroy the planet. It's a trip.
Yeah but he didn’t blow up the kaioshin planet and fought them anyway. I think he did it to get rid of gohan and the gang.
@@darkriku234 He probably couldn't destroy the kaioshin planet, it's many times more resistant to damage than other planets and is also inconceivably huge. That's why shin thought it was the best place for them to fight pure buu, it couldn't be randomly destroyed by buu and also wouldn't be destroyed by goku and vegeta even if they went all out.
It sets him up more like a force of nature than just another powerful opponent. Like Goku and Vegeta are fighting against a tsunami instead of pink Cell.
Toriyama likes writing overpowered kid characters so it fitting for the final villain to be an overpowered kid.
15:20 It's worth mention that Kid Buu, at first, did not care about fighting. The very first thing he does is fire an attack to the destroy the Earth. Once he's transformed, he takes no interest in Goku or Vegeta. He likely doesn't even remember them. He also reacts with what seems to be genuine surprise when Vegeta stopped his attack. Kid Buu only develops an interest in Goku and Vegeta when they showed the capacity to actually inhibit Buu's wanton destruction. The next thing he does is make an attack big enough they can't block it. And then he follows them back to the Kaioshin world, likely with the intent of killing them for having survived. Well I agree Kid Buu is not a deep character, he does seem to have at least sense of agency when it came to Goku and Vegeta
As for Evil Buu and Fat Buu, I liken it more to what happens with Kami and King Piccolo. Evil Buu is just Fat Buu's evil nature spilled out, basically like a fissure but they were still linked. Once Evil Buu eats his other half, he's basically just doing fusion. I'm also guessing Fat Buu was stuck into a pod by Evil Buu to make sure they could not spilt again. At least that's how I see it.
I alwaya assumed the pods had a digestion period and thats why Buff Buu didnt have a pod for the kai. But since Evil Buu ate Fat Buu recently, he did.
@@ChaddyFantome DBS be like:
@@Dexuz What does DBS has to do with anything?Did you forget to take your meds or something?
@@Thisdude850 Because in the Moro arc it's "revealed" (as if Toriyama foreshadowed anything) that the Grand Supreme Kai and South Supreme Kai were all fine inside Buu.
@@Dexuz it's not really contradictory, they were inside fate buu, we only saw inside super buu
~~now take this up with GT~~
I made this comment on TFS’ most recent video, but I recently realised that the most likely reason for the popularity of character’s like Vegitto, Majin Vegeta and even Kid Boo probably has a lot to do with how they’re represented in video games. Usually since they’re at the end of the series, they’re some of the hardest characters to unlock and therefore a lot more powerful than most other characters. I’m certainly not innocent in this “big numbers equals better character” mindset. (My favourite character in the series is Coola).
I just love how utterly insane kid boo is
Well, not where I am from. Those characters were pretty popular even before their many video game appearanes.
Vegito and Kid Buu just had some really fun fights which were a mix of action and comedy. Kid Buu just doesn't give a shit and blew up earth and acted like a crazy demon.
Vegito had the best one liners which can also make him fun for a lot of people.
And Majin Vegeta was just a cool and edgy form that appealed to vegeta fans.
This is very true. Buu is my favorite villain in the series, and when looking back at it definitely wasn’t his arc that made a fan of his
I think that videogames are irrelevant here, since it seems like characters are loved more for their power before anything. Jiren has had like two appearances in videogames and neither were that special. He was always super popular due to his sheer power alone, with his personality never brought up. Nowadays dragonball just has fans who are a bit (and only a bit) more critical, so Jiren also got a lot of haters despite being not much better than the likes of Buuhan. The fusions are really the only characters I would give videogames credit for boosting popularity, but even then the concept and smug confidence they have basically already sealed them as poupular characters. People just want 'badass' characters. It's the reason Imperfect Cell will never be more popular than Perfect Cell, why Gohan in his fights against Cell and Buu are considered his best appearances despite being way more shallow than Saiyaman (who people like as a joke but very few would accept as the character going forward). It's the reason movie villains are beloved at all.
Like you, I'm not completely innocent either. Cooler is also my favourite character despite the massive flaws in his writing. But I would never contribute my love of him to videogames, where he is usually a filler character. I think his design, potential in the story and other minor factors are why people love him. Majin Vegeta and Vegitto are much easier to figure out considering they're their base characters at their most 'badass' (Vegeta full on evil but with all his extra melodrama for the edgy factor and Vegitto for his sheer confidence).
Kid Buu seems a lot more complex though. He's not the strongest Buu or the most 'badass' Buu. He represents a chaotic factor and is extremely pragmatic. No monologues, no moments of pathetic defeat and a crazy aspect from the other Buus without being as silly as Fat Buu or as boring as Buuhan. He is a force of nature with a very silly personality but never veers into the territory of unintimidating. My personal favourite Buu is Super Buu (Before absorbing anyone) as I feel it gets all the fun of Kid Buu and Fat Buu whilst having this rage that makes him unpredictable which is really interesting to see characters (Mostly Piccolo) work around.
Defeating Kid Boo was certainly a pain in a number of the ganes from back in the day.
Pure/Kid Buu works for me just because he unintentionally acts as a book ends with the first arc of the series.
The conflicts in both arcs are both capped with a frenzied monster that comes about through external stimuli it can't control, and carries out destruction because that's all it knows and wants, and can't be reasoned with due to not being able to comprehend much in the first place. Buu being deliberately smaller than the other Buus also makes this work as an unintentional foil for Goku's giant Oozaru form.
Try cutting off Buu's head-tail! Maybe that will happen to depower him this time!
That's an interesting interpretation
@@BagOfMagicFood Then of course, that's when he becomes giant instead.
The Southern Kaioshin's existence could have been justified if it was explained that just like how Fat Buu's appearance and personality are influenced by the Grand Kaoishin, Super Buu's appearance and personality are influenced by the Southern Kaioshin.
Yeah, and the show expands that a little that shows that the South Kaioshin was a bit of a blood knight when he fought Buu.
Personally I love "Kid" Boo I just think a character who is just having fun fighting but takes it to the point of no regard for life is a really good contrast to Goku's love for fighting. Hence why I like Goku's wish in the end for Boo to be reborn as a good guy. I think it's a really good way to cap off such a muddled arc.
In hindsight, Majin Boo makes for a really weird “final boss” in comparison to other ones since he has little to no connection to the other characters.
Well, he did kill everyone on earth and blow it up. That has to be something, though not really on the same level as the other Z villans.
I always considered Resurrection F to be the true finale of Z
@@staraptorflock3661 what about End of Z?
@@staraptorflock3661 No
Frieza was the final boss, Cell was the cool post-game boss and Boo is the weird secret boss that you need to be level 99 to beat.
The de-fusion was pretty much the point where I went, "Screw it, just whatever's happening now."
It took you that long to realize that?
For me it was Evil Buu absorbing Fat Buu
@@spartanq7781 I had a huuuuuuuuuuuuuge blindspot when it came to Dragonball's Writing when I was a young teen.
I would have been satisfied with Satan showing Buu the right path and that being the end of it.
Your take on Majin Boo’s transformations is simply incredible and is the main reason why I find Boo to be a fascinating villain.
Him having different personalities when he changes, and the power struggle against his Good half to his Bad half. He’s easily the best transformation Villain in Dragon Ball.
And now we're entering the final battle in Dragon Ball, easily one of if not my favorite final battle in Dragon Ball. and Merry Christmas.
Agreed. Buu's transformations bring so much to the table that's fun to analyze and speculate on (and the fact that the video games have gotten a lot of mileage out of "What-If" absorption forms for him is a testament to this).
Tbh I’ve been more hyped for the endgame of the DBD manga than Spider-Man no way home…so far it’s been a hell of a good time and wild ride, and I’m glad to still be here all these years later.
Wow, that is high praise indeed. Thank you!
@@MistareFusion you bet! DBD December is something I’ve looked forward to for years now, and new DBD videos are a monthly treat for me. Hell, these videos helped me get through nearly dying on two separate occasions (kidney failure). Since I couldn’t get the entirety of the manga brought into my hospital rooms, I’d marathon what was out so far (the last time was right at the end of the Cell arc). Your work helped me feel better.
And now after following this series from (basically) the beginning, I’m excited that you’re finally at this point, and the hype is real to see it all wrap up. It’s been an amazing journey, lots of ups and downs, lots of “oh my God, somebody FINALLY said it” (mostly about Vegeta), and a lot of new critical insights provided not just into Dragon Ball but into writing and even other facets of life as well.
You’ve got my energy for what’s surely to be an amazing Genki Dama of a time to wrap up the remaining portions of the manga and the remaining two movies.
How perfect. When Mistare Fusion said "And as a video game boss, he launches his earth destroying nuke." I suddenly got an ad for fireworks. Talk about fine timing :)
For all the issues the Buu arc has, I really enjoy the sense of finality the final fight against kid buu has, with the Vegeta speech to goku and the big ass spirit bomb involving past characters
Your take on the Buu situation makes sense, considering what happens later; Pure Buu being unable to bring himself to harm Mr. Satan due to Fat Buu still being inside of him. And so he spits Fat Buu out in order to overcome that "weakness". It's the same thing that led to Evil Buu's creation, but in reverse.
Honestly leaving Tien unconscious made more sense then when Dende is shown reviving him in the anime… only to disappear until it’s time to gather the Spirit Bomb. I get he wouldn’t have been of much use at that point, but Jesus.
I feel like if we HAVE to have a villain without a personality, Kid Buu was the perfect way to do it. He’s just so weird and chaotic. It’s neat.
To be honest, not counting most of the movie villains, Kid Buu just being a mindless killing machine IS different in the overall scheme of things. Piccolo wanted to rule the world, Vegeta wanted immortality, Freeza wanted to rule the universe, Cell wanted to gain perfection, and then test his perfect form to its limits, Kid Buu just wants to destroy. Even the Future Androids had some playful banter between themselves as siblings, but Buu being a mostly silent emotionless killing machine was new to Dragonball.
Something people always gloss over is that this was Gohan's first and only death in the series (and Goten and Kid Trunks too, but I digress...). As if his demotion wasn't clear enough after being absorbed, it's now made even clearer with him being stripped of his surivor status. I personally wish Toriyama had found a more story significant way to end his life (and Videl's for that matter) rather than just killing him in this lazy fashion. I guess he just didn't care at this point but to me it feels like more wasted story potential.
That was pretty devastating to comprehend as a kid. He went through pretty much everything as a kid & “teen” to now be abandoned by his father at the most critical moment of his life… as I got older my values changed as well perspectives but this writing decision still kinda stings
Gohans first death was in the future trunks timeline
@@primelawliet true but that was like a different version tho
Your interpretation is INGENIOUS!! It makes so much sense! Super Buu isn’t a fusion of Fat Buu and Evil Buu, but rather a swap on the level of influences inside Fat Buu, Kid Buu and the Grand Supreme Kai, with the former one now being the dominant one because of the manifestation of his anger, Evil Buu, forcing it to. Yet another part of the story I was so eager to see you discuss, and I could not be happier with the result. 😁👏👏👏
I always thought Buu had a split personality disorder due to him absorbing kais. Especially when Super Buu says "I won't be me anymore", Super Buu actually fears for his existence. He knows he can't be in control without Fat Buu and Kid Buu will take over.
I don't really like either defuse explanation, to be honest.
The "bad Buu energy" is a bit ambiguous, but the issue is more Toriyama makes potara "permanent" only to create an exception and yank it away so soon, almost that it shouldn't have been a thing in the first place.
yet
the "it's only permanent for Kaioshins!" in Super is one of those things that sort of defeats the point of the 'it's permanent!" to begin with. Why make it conditional when it only had like 5 minutes of thought?
i guess maybe if movie 12 was different, Goku and Vegeta could fuse off an existing concept and we'd avoid all of this....
My headcanon that I created for my fusion characters in DBXV2 is that Potara IS permanent for Kais. For other races, it's permanent as long as the earrings are on. If you take them off, the fusion is no longer permanent and will take up to an hour to completely break down (putting the earrings back on will stop the clock and restabilize the fusion). In my AU, potara was created by the Kaioshin to seal away enemies that are too powerful. Kais are trained to have unparalled mental and spiritual power, which makes it easy to dominate a fusion (explaining why Shin dominates Kabito Kai).
Yea. Toriyama never needed to establish that it's permanent, and it could have just been a faster alternative to the dance.
@@kmgyening Yes, it should never have been written to be a permanent Fusion. We all knew damn well that they weren't gonna stay permanently fused, DB ending with Vegito. I would've preferred it being a thing to where they defuse, if the earrings are off or destroyed, that would've been better.
Annnnd to this day, Southern Kaioshin comes off like he never even existed at all.
Goku saving Dende and Satan, and not Gohan actually makes a ton of sense. Both from a logical choice and a story writing choice.
From a logical standpoint, Dende can make Dragon Balls. Even if they're destroyed he can eventually make new ones. Keeping the guy that can potentially save everyone and the earth makes total sense.
From a narrative standpoint. The current Gohan is stronger than Goku or Vegeta at this point, and probably much stronger than the current Buu as well. If you're putting those two back in the spotlight you need Gohan out of the picture. Goku not being able to get to his unconscious body before the planet explodes is a convenient way to get him out of the picture.
problem with what i have there is
Vegita and goku were both dead just a bit ago
so theirs the plot hole of Gohan should be able to be thrown back into the fight
"Goku not being able to get to his unconscious body before the planet explodes is a convenient way to get him out of the picture."
Couldn't Goku use Instant Transmission to get to Gohan and the others in an instant?
@@machine1685 We've never seen him use his Teleportation in quick succession like that, so like with the "Why doesn't Kuririn use Taiyoken and then Kienzan?" question, we have to just assume there's some kind of internal cooldown required between each use.
@@qwertyMrJINX He used it in quick succession when he introduces the technique. He teleports to Roshi's house and back in seconds. That was the first thing he did with the technique.
There's nothing in the story to even possibly suggest that there's a cool down between technique usages. And by that, I mean it's never brought up as a reason for why the characters don't do combos such as the one you suggested. Krillin doesn't use that combo for the same reason Goku exploited Frieza's lack of being able to sense ki only once in their fight- plot needs the fight to go a certain way and will force the characters to ignore solutions that would solve the conflict quickly.
We do know Goku needs to be able to sense Ki to transmission properly, and they were all unconscious. We also know that characters lose their transformations when they're unconscious so their Ki output presumably drops to practically nothing, and Buu was currently throwing a giant Ki attack at the planet that might have made it more difficult to pick out a small Ki. I don't think Goku not being able to jump over and grab them when he was also currently looking for a way out is that big of a stretch, especially because we don't know exactly how much time he had. Even had he jumped over he still would have needed to pick all their bodies up.
16:17 DAMMIT MISTARE HE'S A GOD NOT A DOCTOR
I remember having an argument back in the millennium upon the possibility that Buu took away Gohan’s Ultimate powers the same way he deactivated Vegetto. My stance that he lost nothing is based on Gohan maintaining his muscular face after he was removed.
1:30 Boo's innards are SO stinky, it can conveniently defuse a permanent fusion.
2:50 The fact that Goku and Vegeta find the guys that quick was another thing that disappointed me about reading the manga compared to watching the anime. I liked their Magic School Bus-esque adventures through Boo's digestive tract.
Agreed. The anime turns the inside Buu part of the story into a fun mini-adventure of sorts, an adventure that wouldn't be out of place in pre-Z Dragon Ball. In fact, it's kind of a better recycling of the Muscle Tower concept than Babidi's spaceship.
I'm a bit surprised we didn't get a repeat of the Overloading on Gods rant :P This is where another layer of Kais is revealed, which don't come into play after this. The Kaioshin was set to be the highest. There was an older Kaioshin as well; fine. Now he was just 1 of 4, and there was an even higher Grand Supreme Kai, DaiKaioshin?! When other universes were introduced in Super, they didn't have a DaiKaioshin, just a Kaioshin. Only in the Moro arc did the DaiKaioshin get a shoutout. So a bit surprised Lance didn't rant too much about it :P
Actually, I did. I wrote it. I recorded it. I went in to edit, and I realized the resulting video was going to be well over half an hour long. I just did not have the time to do it. So I cut it all out, and it will be discussed next year. =P
@@MistareFusion hahah, good! Ever since Overloading on Gods has this been on my mind, waiting for when we would get to this part 😁
I agree. With Dai Kaioshin alone, we could explain it by saying their relationship was akin to Gowasu and Zamasu (one in charge and another in training). But the other Kaioshins invalidate that.
@@borico62: as I recall, wasn't it actually mentioned that Zamasu used to be a cardinal Kai before being sekected Gowasu's successor.
@@MistareFusion Aww man, I really wanted to see that. Oh well, I guess I'll wait for next year?
I could imagine that in the pre-retcon context of Bibidi creating Buu, he constructed him with magic specifically made to counter Kaioshin magic, so if they tried to fuse, Buu could simply absorb them or even just encase them in his skin and the eminent magic from his body (aka the bad air) would remove the effects of the earrings.
That would require Bibidi to somehow know about the portara earrings. Simply creating Boo to not be afflicted from said magic in general.
Like others have said, the Southern Kaiōshin was still technically in that evil Boo by being inside the fat one. The Fat Boo may have been freed from the absorption, but he was still inside the pure Boo and thus he could still influence him (see Pure Boo being unable to harm Mr. Satan).
And the Southern Kaiōshin may have been the dominant influence on the evil Boo‘s personality. While it’s merely headcanon, I think it’s plausible that the evil Boo and the fat Boo got their thirst for battle from the Southern Kaiōshin, and since he was still technically in Pure Boo‘s head for a while, there was still a bit of influence here and there.
Good theory, I agree with it.
25 part on the 25th and one month away from the 10th anniversary or the series 🥳
For me, Skinny buu to fat buu is like king piccolo to kami. A creature representing the evil in the original's heart
It's incredible knowing that we're closer to reaching the end of the manga.
This has been a wild ride, been keeping up with this series ever since I was a teenager and I'm excited for what's to come.
The final faces of Boo and the final faces of this incredible ride.
The anime gave Kid Buu some lines " Me Buu Kill You " " Me Buu Not You " " Dum Dums "
Only in the original Funimation dub
I mostly missed out on the Kid Buu portion of that dub, but I read that he says "Boo yeah, boo yeah!" Because "Booyah" was a popular saying at the time...
16:15 Clearly, Dende was out of MP at this point so no revival for Tenshinhan.
Great episode. I always liked this reasoning for the pure buu, and the thought the he was cycling through past transformations too.
Can’t wait to watch the whole thing all over again!
I just found this series a few weeks ago and I wanted to say that you are incredible. These breakdowns are on point. I hope you start doing DBS when you are finished with this.
I'm extremely glad to hear that you're self aware. Awesome Video Great Job!
Now that we're getting to the end of arc, I'm curious if you're planning on talking about how Toriyama seems to have reused a lot of lore and backstory behind Piccolo and God when he wrote the various ways Boo changes throughout the story. I mean, you have one character who splits into two people, one pure good and one pure evil, how they end up recombining into an even stronger fighter, (twice if you count GT) and how the evil half ends up dying and reincarnating into a good guy. The order of operations are shuffled around, and I find it very funny how the two Boos seem completely immune to the same "one cannot exist without the other" rule that defined God and Piccolo's role through much of the story, but the concept seems too similar for it to just be a councidence.
5:04 This is my favorite part of DBD, it's just so great
I just spent the better part of a week burning thoght all of these episodes... worth it!
Wow I just stumbled upon this channel. I literally just finished DBZ manga a few days ago after a few months reading. Think Im gonna enjoy going through this guys videos on them and his commentary! woo!
I certainly hope so! You'll have to keep me posted. Love your Alice avatar!
Merry christmas king fusion. Your vídeos are by far the best critic series related to anime in this plataform. Congrats from your brazilian fans and congrats again for your marvelous work
I discovered this series a few days ago and watched all the videos of the manga, and, wow, what a great series. I loved every video. I disagree with some of the points you made, but I completely respect them. I'm really looking forward to seeing the end of this series. Good job lance
Merry christmas , Vance. Hope you're having a good day and thank you for the seasonal gift.
And of, algorithm, bless this video
Thanks for doing all these, and merry Christmas & Happy Holidays UA-cam
Well done as always. Merry Christmas, Lance!
Every since I was a little kid watching the toonami premiere of the kid boo section of the arc kid boo has always been my favorite dragon ball character. I just love how insane he is while still being goofy at times. I also love that he doesn't really talk, he's a being of action who won't talk your head off like freeza or cell. Yes he doesn't really have much character, but I like the unpredictable nature of him and not being able to read him. The whole kid boo section of the arc is definitely one of my favorite portions of the manga.
Damn. After all these years it's nearly over. Sobering shit.
Thank you for this ❤️
While Kid Buu has very little character, as now he's more or less the embodiment of destruction, I think that's fine as a villain all in all. Sure I prefer Fat Buu but ya, Kid Buu's pure chaotic nature makes for some really good drama and some great action later. He's not super deep or anything but he's not supposed to be. While yes, as you said, I would prefer if Bibidi created a Buu that had the potential to be changed but... I'll be honest... this does kinda makes more sense. Why would Bibidi give him the capacity to change? Besides, we already have the Buu that changed, so doing it over would be pretty weird. I think Kid Buu being this way is perfectly fine.
100% agreed.
Ehh... I wouldn't say Kid Buu has NO personality. He's like a REAL 12 year old burning ants with a magnifying glass, or just breaking shit in anger. I LOVE that after building up Super Buu as the ultimate evil sadistic a-hole for so long, it turns out the SHRIMP is the most cold, bloodthirsty version of all. It's the KIDS you need to be scared of, people.
I think the anime's drawn out explosion makes people say goku had more time than the manga may have intended to insinuate.
It wasn't drawn out in the anime, it was still directly behind them...
As in they were flying away from it, so there's not really any reason to think he could've turned around to get them...
@@SonicmaniaVideos he throws it twice though. And the second time they stare at it like oh my god hes gonna destroy the earth
@@benjaminpeters6729 Don't disrespect the title of God.
I'm so scared man...we're near the end...such a fun ride. :') I became a fan of DBD since the red ribbon army arc.
Merry Christmas in advance Lance :D The whole Majin Buu rant made a lot of sense and I think in a way that's how I saw it in my mind, but not as eloquently put as you did. I think I mentioned this in the comments of the last video, but I feel like Buu's separation is very similar to Kami splitting into a good being and an evil being. So that could go a long way into explaining the rest of the transformations. Fat Buu split up into the good Fat Buu and the evil Grey Buu using whatever magic mechanics that Kami also used (probably by having an existential crisis, which might just be a trigger to just split in two in Dragon Ball) and then the Grey Buu absorbed Fat Buu. That's the point where he turned into a cocoon inside the Grey Buu and the Grey Buu then took his appearance as a mix between him and the Fat Buu. And then adding the way you explained the Grey Buu turning into his own person.
To be fair, that explanation didn't really add anything super substantial, but I always thought it was interesting how much this paralelled Kami and Piccolo's journey. Both got angry, and eventually the 'evil' half absorbed the 'good' half.
Merry Christmas to you Lance, this is a great gift and I hope you got good ones a well.
I think you spent about a minute too much on the Fusion/Potara discussion, but I was on board with your points on the Boo regression sequence.
Perhaps. As with a lot of things, I wondered before it went out whether or not it was too much, but there's really no way to know these things. I'm sure there will be others who agree with you, but hopefully there will also be others who think it's fun. It's the most I can ever hope for.
@@MistareFusion changing it to the disintegration of the earrings due to being inside of buu as the reason they defused was profound. It clears up any need for a retcon in any future installments. It then becomes, if a villain has an understanding of potara like a kaioshin or has toxic elements that can negate the magic of the kaioshin, potara can be utilized as a tool but may not necessarily be the final answer & it adds to the drama.
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13:50 "due to time it got completely digested and now is part of kid Buu in some shape"
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Despite the fact that even in universe Kid Buu is a personality devoid basic boring final boss, he's honestly always been my favorite Buu. I think despite claims to the contrary, he does have a lot of personality that comes out during the final fight, even in the manga but especially in the anime expanding on that fight. And as others have already mentioned there's something so spine tingling about him just standing there and then immediately deciding to blow up the planet with no regard or consideration. He's not sadistic like Freeza, he's not self absorbed like Cell. He's more of a force of nature personified.
Also I've always had an inside joke about Freeza and Buu being part of the "have blown up planets" Club which Cell is denied membership into, cuz Freeza and Buu have both blown up planets on screen whereas Cell never blew up any planets ever. Imagine not being able to blow up a planet, this post brought to you by the freeza and buu gang.
"I can blow up a planet, I just didn't feel like doing it this week" --Cell
Agreed. He still has personality, he just doesn't have characterization anymore, if that makes sense.
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In the English dub, right before Goku kills Kid Buu, he actually says this about Dark Buu: *"But then, you separated. The struggle taking place inside you was now on the outside for all to see, and the darkness overpowered the light."*
So yeah, I think you're bang on with your interpretation!
Ohhh can't wait for your video on the next movie. One key thing I always liked was actually the dialogue changes the english dub gave to Gogeta. In the original, he basically says I'll get him back for you Paikuhan then proceeding with the generic I'm neither Goku nor Vegeta line. The dub scratches the Paikuhan line and replaces it with the I'm neither Goku nor Vegeta line, but then they actually decided to provide lore to Gogetas iconic stardust breaker by having him explain how he uses Janembas own chaotic energy to destroy him. It's not all that well explained but it works well enough when compared to some of the better asspulls outta the Buu arc.
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Buu became stronger by absorbing South Kaioshin. I think that Kid Buu is actually weaker but Kid Buu has no inhibition so he just blows up planets and regenerates.
I really hate how people pretend that DBS didn't actually retconned the potara earrings.
I think I know the real reason you paced this episode the way it is. It wasn’t to try to explain Boo. You’re sad that we’re nearing the end of the series, aren’t you? And I honestly can’t blame you. This is a very noble project you’ve done and I thank you for the nearly 10 years you’ve Been doing this. And I know everyone cringes at the thought of you approaching Super (I have not watched your plans after video) I think we’ll all be happy that for the time being? You’ll possibly have more to dissect that isn’t just GT.
I am definitely sad I'm getting near the end of the series. Doing something for ten years will do that to you. That said, I have done my best never to pad out an episode for the sake of prolonging the series. I simply write what I want to write. I hope that wasn't the case in this episode, especially given all the other hurdles. This episode is paced the way it is for other, perhaps more mundane reasons.
Writing five scripts at once definitely wears me out. And this one in particular has the deck stacked against it. It's the fourth manga review in a row. It comes directly after what I knew would be the big hit, big topic-focused episode. That positioned this one as something of a clean-up. The previous episode didn't progress the story along all that much, so this one had to. But on top of that, it's the episode leading into a movie, which means it can only be allowed to move the plot along so far since I always cover movies at the specific chapter break in which it is released. So my fear always ends up being that I have left far too big a space to cover in one episode... or far too small a space to fill an entire episode.
Contrary to what you might expect, that didn't really happen here. Instead, I extremely overwrote this, and I didn't realize how overwritten it was until I had finished recording it and had a raw audio file that was over an hour long, which has never happened in the history of DBD. I considered cutting out the tangent about Goku's and Vegeta's Fusion versus Potara inside Boo dialogue since, while it was an unexpectedly fun thing I happened to pick up while I was prepping for the video, it wasn't necessarily of tantamount importance. But it was ultimately so short it didn't really matter.
So actually I cut out the entire... ehhh, third third or second half of this video and just had to shelve it until next year! It was another big topic, but it neither fit in this run time, nor did it need to be covered before the movie. So I did have to hastily shuffle some things around, add in the last couple of minutes about Goku's failure to save Gohan and the others to then make it long enough! It was definitely the hardest video of the month, to be sure. =P
I always thought Goku bringing up Fusion again was being played for the (slight) humor of Goku just refusing to let the combining thing go. It's a "See Vegeta?" moment.
Nearing the end, oh boy oh boy. Merry Christmas
I'll miss this series so much after it ends
Plus the Skinny Buu doesn’t give that climatic, final boss look Kid Buu has. It would’ve been awkward to make that intimidating for multiple episodes.
really want to watch but ill save it for work :) also looking forward to the movie video you got coming
Great Christmas present.
If Toriyama showed the earrings breaking then people would think "They could've just taken out the earrings at any moment and they would defuse". It just creates the need for an explanation anyways that it was Buu's magic that dispelled the fusion, not the earrings breaking.
If they broke after the defusion it'd have worked without that confusion.
@@LanceThumping They had stated it was permanent, they defuse and you expect people not to ask why
Honestly, it would make so much sense that Goku doesn't tell Vegeta in time that the transformation is permanent, because he knows it'll make the Prince not want to do it EVEN MORE, and it'd make so much sense for Vegeta to then crush the earring right away and get REALLY pissed off at Goku for not telling him. There can be a lot of drama between them for that, maybe even a full-on argument or fight inside of Buu, honestly! I mean, yeah, Goku did it cause it was their only hope, but he risked staying fused with somebody for the rest of their lives WITHOUT PROPER CONSENT! It wouldn't be out of character for Goku, considering what he did to Gohan after his fight with Cell.
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Its hard to Believe that Dragon Ball Disscection is nearing its End, when i Discovered the Series you were still at 23rd Bodukai, and i enjoyed this Analyse ever since.
Where are you hearing dissection is ending? The DB manga is almost over but he isn’t quitting just yet.
@@AutumnPlains I would say i meant specificially the Manga Series with that. But of course there is still room for him covering more DB Content after that, which i would also look forward to it :)
@@Spongycentrefox ah yeah. Are you a Patreon? It seems he is planning on doing GT next.
@@AutumnPlains I sadley don´t have Patreon, but thats really Awesome that he is going to do GT as well :)
16:18 It wasn't until recently that I read some people blaming Goku for not *choosing* to save his friends or directly *abandoning* them at the time of the explosion for preferring to save Satan and Dende.
I always believed that it was clear that Goku was going straight for his friends but he saw the others on the way, and what went through his mind was that he believed he could save them all.
This also tells us about his character, his kind nature didn't allow him to abandon them (Vegeta wouldn't have saved them.) even though, in quotes, they doesn't have the strength to face Boo.
Great video!
We've had our political disagreements but your content is still the best on UA-cam
I do like when toriyama gag writing comes into play when having a final villain like kid buu. we started with fat buu who pretty much is a gag character and work are way up to more cool looking buu's then end up with a kid version who happens to be his original form, its not common as a final villain but here it works.
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I love these videos...and I have since the Android saga, when I found this UA-cam channel. (I wish I'd found you earlier...though I guess I have lots of videos I can view in your back catalog.) But it seems that we're getting to the end. It kind of fully dawned on me while watching this, even before the end of the video where you mentioned the "final battle". (While writing this, I see I'm not alone.) What are you planning after this? I know the original Dragon Ball was magical, but I'd definitely settle for Dragon Ball Super Dissection... Anyway, I'm sad this journey is coming to an end, but I hope you continue putting out more dissection videos of some sort even after the Buu saga comes to a close. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
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But isn't Fat Boo also a part of Kid Boo, seeing as Fat Boo transformed from him originally? It doesn't make any sense that Boo's "pure form" would be able to come back without Fat Boo as part of him. Or are we saying that NONE of Kid Boo was in Fat Boo when he split into Fat/Skinny forms? In that case, did Skinny Boo contain all of Kid Boo when he split off of Fat Boo? But then why did Skinny Boo exist at all if he didn't have any of Fat Boo in him and didn't need him in order to revert back to-- you know what nevermind, I'm thinking too hard about this. Let's just enjoy the cute pink Silly Putty monsters fighting.
Personally I think it would have been far more interesting if Goku were the one to refuse to fuse again. Just wait for them to exit buu, then have goku say something like "He's weakened enough that I think we have a chance to defeat him without fusing, and I want to test the limits of SSJ 3". It's in character as goku does not like to rely on others for power, and if you were to have vegeta push for the fusion despite the risks, that would establish Vegeta and Goku's difference in character and what would become the separate paths they would take in the super manga
Huh? But that's exactly what happened though. Goku refused to fuse again, when they were up against Kid Buu, because he thought that version was weaker, with him having no one fused.
Kid Buu has always, seriously, scared the crap out of me.
That's the point. Though any Boo would be terrifying.
You know, Vegeta wasn't given the choice of whether he wanted to permanently fusing with Goku exactly because he's Vegeta doing Vegeta stuff. The threat of Majin Buu was immediate and there was no time for Vegeta complaining yet again.
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I personally kinda like Kid Buu. He is very unique among Dragon Ball villains. He doesn't have a plan, a goal, an ego, or even a reason to fight. He is just a "force of nature", a creature of chaos and destruction, and nothing he does make any sense or rhyme. We never got, and probably never will, get a villain like that in Dragon Ball again.
I think Janemba works better as a "purely evil force of nature", if only because of his design and inherent connection to the divine, while Buu is just some random monster created by a wizard.
You really surprised me. I expected you to tear into the whole Super Boo transforming into Kid Boo subject. I didn't think I'd hear any sense over the apparent mess.
Maybe a hot take but Buu (especially Kid and Super before absorbing anyone) is my favourite villain in anything dragon ball. I love the designs visually and that element of chaos that makes them so unpredictable
Holy fuck, I have finally caught up. Also, thankfully near the end so I don't have to wait a decade for it to finish.
The secondary title for this channel should be "yes, that thing you remember was in fact anime filler"
Anime filler and Funimation dub script punch-ups have a lot to answer for!
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I always saw Fat Buu and Buff Buu's lack of pods as a result of them having been fully digested over a long period of time. Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Piccolo and Fat Buu were all absorbed recently.
That or they are in the Fat Buu.
The "Kid Buu Transformation" does have some merits. The way I see it when Fat Buu got eaten by Old Buu to turn into Super Buu, it triggered his biology that caused him to revert back into Kid Buu.
My completely baseless theory for south kaioshin is that Toriyama's editor at the time knew readers would want to know what happened to the other cardinal direction kaioshins, also he noticed a sketch of a weirdly buff superbuu on Toriyama's drawing board, and after noticing these two potential hanging plot threads he ordered Toriyama to whip up an unneeded backstory to tie them together.
That's a plausible theory.
I am surprised you did not question how the Fat Boo getting eaten still resulted in him being absorbed like the other characters. But the rest at the lookout were just killed after being eaten like everyone prior.
It makes sense to me that when eating someone, Buu has the option of absorbing them instead of killing them. He needed to absorb Fat Buu in order to become "whole", but characters like Bulma simply aren't worth absorbing.
@@theking8347 Hmm... I suppose... I guess Boo can regenerate just fine after being eaten unlike everyone else too so there's a case for that. I would also assume Majoob doing that later in GT does support that as well.
@@wonder-games3579 was Evil Buu sning in absorbing Good Buu or was the transforming accidental?