Oakensoul Heavy Attack: The Truth About the Nerf
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2:03 Oakensoul Build
3:45 Storm Master Nerf
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Not even sorry to say but: It's a really bad "pay to win" 2D garbage game. REMEMBER THAT THEY INTENTIONNALY SLOWED DOWN THE SPEED OF BATTLES JUST TO GET YOU TO SUB 12$ /month.
Can't wait for ESO to get out of beta
Thanks for testing the changes, Deltia. I use Infallible Aether in 4-man content, and it actually puts out pretty impressive damage. The extra pen from from light armor is still usually needed in dungeons.
Liking the flow of the videos man keep em coming!
Yes! Love the comparison videos! Keep them coming!
13:50 The oakensoul provides minor slayer already so this 3 piece is even more useless than stam reg 😂
Came here to say this
"Huge 3 piece" for an oakensoul build lol
Not to mention he's completely wrong about light armor, not running light armor as a magicka dps is dumb. Sacrificing all those resources for 10% crit dmg is ridiculous.
@@Mystra You dont need the regeneration of light armor because ever heavy attack gives you mana back anyways
@Iuppiterr I know that but you don't need the medium either and you have to sacrifice other stuff to get the pen without light armor. Best set up is by far 5 light 1 heavy 1 med
Nerdtastic fun. Thanks! I enjoyed the comparisons of sets w stormmasters.
I'm using an Oak/HA Temp build with these gear sets, so I really appreciate the cool-headed analysis and the time you took to work this out. Thanks Deltia.
Bro, thank you for the break down. Really great to see the specifics through CMX. Never really looked at that and have been playing for a while. Cheers!
as a new player to the game there's a lot of things I don't understand but that's why I am so glad I found your channel. you explain things in a way that is very accessible to new players. I don't have an Oakensoul build, don't know if I ever will, but I learned a lot just by watching. thanks for sharing.
Really appreciate the anti-panic message of this video. Thank you for a reasonable assesment based on an actual testing :) :)
Just found your videos and started ESO. Your great, thanks for all you do!
So I started playing ESO recently after watching how much fun Delita's "One bar heavy attack god solo the game" builds and "Plaguebreak AoE farming god" builds were.... I have been playing for a few weeks and managed to finally get my oakensoul ring and all the items in the correct slots / research all the correct traits so that I can reforge the items properly...... I then saved all my gold and materials to make all the items gold tier in quality and I was having a blast for the past maybe three days......Now I see that they're nerfing the plaguebreak set so that it cannot be used in PvE....and are also nerfing the sets I use into the crust of the earth.......there is no reason for me to play anymore.... I literally spent every second since I first made my account building towards this point just to have the rug pulled out from under my feet.......
Now I can see the argument that I can just spend the next few weeks with the new trendy build.....but then what..... then zenimax nerfs that set into the ground?
So then I try the next trend.... then they nerf that into the ground?
Pretty much yeah
Isn't the point of this video to tell you that your build is still viable tho?
Hi Deltia. I like when ppl find some off-meta so I went for this instead of Storm ( I have storm too but haven't made it ready, like glyphs and traits), the Grave Inevitability from Graven Deep. I know, it's not medium, just light, but I like the stats on it. Have a look, please. Take care and have a nice day now. Thanks for all your work on videos for us. Best regards from Sweden.
Using Grave on my OakenDen arena build. Hits real hard, it just works.
it's basically the light version of kinra but with force instead of berserk so it's only good if you have high crit chance which the 1 bar sorc doesn't have
I'm actually ok with the general "against monsters" changes. It's a path to giving us clear lines of separation between pve and pvp builds.
I really love your videos. Thank you for this incredible work - I was so scaried about the nerf, and then you came and clarified ALL that matters... Thank you Deltia!
Deltia thanks for this informative video. The Oakensoul build is my go to build, so any and all info is greatly appreciated. Keep up the good work. 😊
13:10 you say the 2x max stamina of undaunted infiltrator doesn't do anything for us, but doesn't heavy attack damage scale of your highest stats so you could maybe respec into a stamina build then those 2x max stamina would be very useful. You'd still have plenty of magicka for your abilities due to the resources you get back from heavy attacking with a lightning staff. I may be wrong but just a thought...
great vid, I was def a little worried about the nerf but it really doesn't seem like a big deal at all in a practical sense. Appreciate.
on undaunted the stamina doesn't technically give you any damage stats, but it does allow more breathing room for dodges or break frees so it's not a terrible stat to have :D
In theory yes, but really I never run out of stamina on this build and you don't need potions so you are free to use stamina pots if you need the extra so in reality it is a worthless stat.
Great vod for sure, nice work
You forgot 5x light armor is required for magicka shields for classes that lack one. Soloing dungeons also means I will be in melee range 100% of the time. So Noble Duelist or 5x crafted light Order’s Wrath might be more useful than medium Storm Master.
Might try Elegance instead of Storm Master for mag sorc and see how that goes...
Have you tested switching out Storm Master's with Grave Inevitability which would stack alongside Sergant's and provides Major Force to compliment Oakensoul's Minor Force?
Love the sorc 1 bar build thank you
I appreciate the insight and the detail that you went to.Understood everything your talking about.Thank you
Quick question, I leaned into the hybrid advantage with Oakensoul, on my Imperial, by going ahead and just going with Stamina --- since my damage scales off the highest, in this case stamina, and my heavy attacks ensure I have more than enough magic to always have uptime on any magic skill I use.... would Undaunted Infiltrator be a better build on that?
With hybridization staves scale with your higher rescources, so I'm going to try Undaunted Infiltrator with Sergant's Mail and Oaken Soul on max stamina sorc build.
Edit: I have tried Undaunted Infilitrator (with max stamina), Deadly, and Order's Wrath. All are 8-10k dps worse than Storm Master. Gotta farm Noble Duelist now to try it ;/
Noble duelist is comparable to storm master, just realize that you are going to be well overpen on the parse dummy because it's a hair under completely armor stripped. Might want to run tests on the 3M, that'll give a better idea on comparing what you can do in solo/4 man
How’s noble duelist feel?
Nobel duelist is better in content and basic dummy parse. On trial dummy storm masters does better but still parses like dogshit now and hits like a wet noodle. Basically this build was turned into a solo only build with Nobel duelist and storm masters was turned into pieces of armor to deconstruct.
Really hope it doesn't go through or they regress the nerf a little
Because in Cyrodiil, the cleave from targeting NPCs is glitching to work on players as if they are NPCs in the full effect of the cleave.
Undaunted Unweaver set is a good alternative also. You get two lines of magicka and one crit chance. Just use a stamina ability in combat every 10s. For Sorcs Hurricane, Crystal Weapon, or Barbed Trap are good.
Where do I get undaunted unweaver?
Deltia, very articulate and well done video. Everything was expertly explained. Thank you.
Thank you
I always wondered about the sunderflame set for CoA. That 10k flame damage from heavy attacks looks like it could be quite useful. And if I’m not mistaken it’s medium armor.
Only issue with that set is that it's a DoT and not all at once, or added per tick like the current Heavy attack sets. Personally I'm looking at Kinras's Wrath since the heavy channel should get you 3 stacks in one heavy so if you LA weave while slapping down DoTs you'll have Major Berserk going in no time. Relequen should also stack per HA tick but the slayer line is dead and it's just single target damage.
There's a few sets like that but the issue is that's just 10k damage straight, the reason storm master etc are so strong is it's flat damage added to your heavy attack that is then magnified by empower and a few other things which results in the 30k+ heavy attacks you see, sets like sunder flame aren't even close.
@@memitim171 ahh I gotcha. Now what about for pvp seeing as most play as vamp. 10k flame damage could be quite useful in a heavy attack build or would storm masters still be stronger?
@@garrettcarper3438 Storm master won't work for pvp after the patch so literally anything else would be better, sunder flame is still trash tier though.
@@garrettcarper3438 hell no. Sunderflame is absolutely not what you want in PvP. You will not be happy with the result if you invest and then test it
thanks for the breakdown on my favorite oaken build...
I’m still looking forward to June 20 for high isle to be available to eso plus on PSNA. I think Oakensoul will pair good with Magblade, vamp stage 4. Probably Pariah as second 5 piece.
That ring is a blessing for someone like me who is special needs and has a hard time keeping track to two bars. And im on xbox so it helps with me there to lol.
And it's still fantastic.
Same, I have a hard time with the two bars and am on Xbox. High functioning doesn't mean I'm better lol
Your not special needs 😊 it’s console being so TERRIBLE at combat lag
@@justinbussin7567 no i really am a special needs person
It's sad when normal players now think they are retarded due to the terrible server lag in ESO. There's nothing wrong with you. it's the game. Throw away that handicap placard
Just got OS and the sets needed to make it work, unfortunate that they nerfed it but at least it’s not completely gutted. Appreciate the vid and verified info.
Thanks for the video!!
Would deadland assissin work as well? Good bump to spell damage with a heavy proc plus and extra dot when the boss is below 50%
Always on the cutting edge of what’s important and what’s happening!
Does Sergeant's Mail and Noble Duelist affect Overload? I rarely see it as an ultimate for a HA build but it could be very powerful if sets buffed it.
Infallible mage is for two bar heavy attack builds because minor slayer is wasted. Oakensoul comes with minor slayer. Templars and dks can do two bar heavy attack builds though so infallible mage is for them.
Why you just don’t go fully stamina with undaunted infiltrator? You will have sustain for your 3 Magic skills with that HA rotation.
It will be 100% uptime and you
Will use sets potential
Honestly Empower is/was not the issue. The single target damage was not on par with two bar builds Looking at parses 107k on a HA sorc vs parses of 125-133k on all classes that run two bar that’s still a 20-30% gap. If anything they should’ve raised the damage of empower but looked at scaling back tri-focus and left storm master alone.
Exactly right, there was NO issue with this setup except being way less powerful than 2 bar. Even the AOE effect isn't an issue because you are sacrificing a full back bar of AOEs just to get a bit of shock splash damage. You are right if anything it should be buffed.
Thank you for this information 👍 Great vid
Welcome!
Thank you for the detailed video. HA Oakensoul builds have been a game changer for a lot of people. Do you think we will see any other nerfs affecting HA builds?
100 % the crybabies will continue to cry until the items for this build are all rendered useless.
Deltia, do you have any advice for a alternative to Storm Master for pvp?
a whole video and it'll probably get nuked further next PTS update ^^ good that you explained the armor situation, like a lot of people don't know about this I feel like
i just golded out my whole storm master and sergeant mail set. i will continue using this set i guess.
Same😊
I’ve been running storm master and undaunted unweaver on my sorc.
Hi, Deltia, what is the name of the addon that shows all those advanced stats crit/pen?
I was wondering if deadly strike works with resto and lighting heavy attacks since they are considered channeling. And if so why is no one useing that set with the templars. Why not drop the storm master for deadly and also utilize the radiant destruction morphs? Just wondering if anyone has tried this setup instead. Im assuming its due to damage not being enough but without actually testing it... it kind of seems like a no brainer if the HA's work with deadly.
And just to be clear keep everything the same except for swaping storms with deadly. And maybe slotting thaumaturge and deadly aim in cp.
Great video! Thanks deltia
Welcome!
When i mouse over the empower buff from soul it only says 40%?
Great Content thanks Mate 🤗🍀🍀
I just use OakenSoul on my Sorc tank, so wasn't doing much damage anyways😂
What are your thoughts on the class changes? I don't get buffing NB damage, but really, I'm so frustrated that they can't let Wardens have a stun. It's just so dumb.
Arctic Blast is a stun.
@@Seb7an they're adding a two second delay to arctic. They've messed with that skill so much. It's already blockable. I don't get why they can't let Wardens have an on-demand stun
If i get 5% dmg in dungeons with infallible set but have oakensoul on (which gives minor slayer 5%dungdmg)does it give me a 10% increase or make the set useless?
Question to the unlauteren infiltrieren set: if you would spec into full stamina, wouldnt your HA scale of your max stamina aswell, making the set even more viable than you stated in the video and making it maybe even stronger than storm master?
Did you test that aswell?
Everyone has tested this and they keep going back to storm master
I run both storm and duelist on different toons ,,,both work well
Yes and no, regarding light/med armour. In optimised groups, certain light sets are still used. Runecarver on Oax HM, for example.
Obviously, you would never use RC on a HA Oaken build.
Lets be honest here... Outside of fully optimized groups no one is choosing to wear Alkosh. You might as well go Noble Duelist vs Storm Master even in most group content.
when something is good... they try fk things up, well...well... well
I just got an ad for eso pvp? Have I missed something or are they still not doing any updates for pvp are new servers even out yet for consoles? I haven’t really been keeping up with the game too much
I've actually learned a lot thanks to this. Now to redo my armor for the 7th time
What are the changes/nerfs towards the oakensoul ring itself? Either I'm blind or just plain stupid 😂
I love Eso its a great game but i just hate the way they keep nerfing things it makes the game feel like a beta its a mythic ring it should be powerful. It doesnt need nerfs. Plus it helps those less fortunate to be able to get through trials.
Do you have a video for tanks using the Oakensoul ring?
Not videos but written guides since its a smaller topic.
What damage set would you recommend for a magblade pvp 1vx?
Gormound or Order's Wrath with Rally Cry and balorgh.
Have you ever Used Perfected Arms of Relequen on a heavy attack build?
I have, it was nothing to write home about.
I'm glad it's not hurt Oakensoul that much . I've been playing for 2 years , never done a trial , done 1 vet and was told my damage was crap on the last boss , I was dead the whole time lol . And I only ever do the lower dungeons and no DLC's I believe . The reason is I have arthritis and it affects my hands so Oakensoul has been a blessing , it's just too much for me to swap bars and have another 5 buttons to mash . If Oakensoul came to a point where it was unplayable I would probably have to stop playing , so glad it's not that bad .
Your the bomb shit man thanks for keeping us in the loop sir!
Thank you!
I'll be curious to know why they nerfed the SM set. Was PvP the problem?
Exactly, WHY is this actually happening?
Is there a build for oaken where you can use two hander instead of lightning staff?
The reason lightning staff is used is because of off balance uptime.
I suppose if you use dizzy swing with a lightning glyph you might proc off balance more reliably.
Well yes, it just isn't particularly good because the channel from lighting is a large portion of the damage from this build.
What would go well with oakensoul pvp magsorc? ( NO -CP NO PROC )
It works okay good survivability low damage.
What addon are you using to track Storm Master uptimes? Thanks!
bandits UI.
How do you get that much crit damage and pen?
Hey Del what about running rele on the body is that an option?
New phone who dis?
thx
Thank you for bringing a bit of sanity to this topic :)
The sky is not falling, it's true, it's still uncalled for though but I suppose you can't really call yourself a game dev unless you say one thing and do the exact opposite... 🤣
You got it!
Luckily i have a full golded out set of duelist sitting in the bank. Storm masters not popping off is already noticeable and being over pen is not really a problem, you're not even going over that much and thats assuming everyone else youre relying on are doing their jobs well. Run duelist, change to apprentice mundus, crit surge-hurricane-wall-ward-power overload. Face tank bosses easy af
thought about trying this. what's the fifth skill you'd use since you listed 4 and the ultimate?
@versechorusverse1969 if I'm in a group I'll put on matriarch and run as a healer or if im solo I like daedric mines. I open with mines because they do good damage and will immediately activate your minor prophecy/sorcery passive (the morph that arms immediately)
@@jmartinez5638 ok cool thanks
It doesn't matter what u do or what gear u have it's about how fast ur fingers move for damage that's why ppl have bad dps with the exact build an expert has
how many times are they gonna nerf this thing?
As many times as the gatekeepers cry
Would Relequen’s work? Especially if the one bar is a sorc?
Tried it, it was on par with the others but nothing special.
Deltia in damage control mode...
The whiners won.
If it's such a small and insignificant change, why did they make it? Why go to the trouble?
Either you're not telling us everything or there is another reason.
The actual decrease in damage is 5.56%. Not 10%... if you do the math. 70% damage increase vs 80% damage increase = 5.56% lower total damage.
what was his overall damage on the pts parse vs live?
Is normal non-heavy attack one bar builds viable or only heavy attack builds?
They are
You’ll get way more dps with one bar Oakensoul HA builds
@@Barn80 i really dont like heavy attack builds, so that’s why I’m asking
Thanks
Welcome!
I have noticed I'm not as damaging lately with Oakensoul ring. Good but not like I would try do a veteran or boss alone. Problem is after I first saw you I farmed Master's Set Tempest Dungeon and I can't get the Lightning Staff!
you need the Sergeant LS, comes from Wayrest Sewers
@@cattivikkio I finally got that Sgt. Lightining Staff from Wayrest sewers. Are you wearing both sets at the same time? masters with sergeant?
@@usafirefly7967 Storm masters with sergeants is the general build I'm assuming
@@Thrasher1994 So that's what you are using? Masters with Sergeant?
@@usafirefly7967 I'm currently using Sergeant + Order's Wrath on my MagSorc and Sergeant + Noble duelist on my MagNecro. Order's wrath was an old suggestion and I've been thinking to upgrade to Storm Master but so far was too lazy to try. Noble Duelist seems to be a bit more damage but I'm far far away form the level of damage that I see people advertising. But it's ok , I'm a very casual player. I will definitely try Storm Master one of these days although I heard it got a pretty substantial nerf in the upcoming patch
storm master and order's warth,which is better for heavy attack build?
nobel duelist is better in actually content NOW and for group still storm masters. but after update 39 not sure if heavy attack builds will even be worth it anymore.
About Arcanist i think HackTheMinotaur made an OK one bar build, and i saw someone pars about 128k on trial dummy i think it was. (I cant remember the content creator for the high pars and if its a fake.) It was Skinny Cheeks commenting a pars from Kortekk
i wish they can change relequins trial set from light or heavy attack to any damage dealt so we get winds and many more targets and doesnt make set clunky and more group play content i would totaly try relequin with sargeans mail im still pisses they nerfed vipers years ago and i want the rebirth of viper gang and no martial bs connected to it
Switch storm for knightslayer or graven
Hey what sets would be better for solo, i m always below 100% crit damage solo,
Getting your pen up to 18k is really important then crit chance to 60% then critical damage.
PvP implications?
Have you tried building a max stam heavy attack setup and use undaunted infiltrator? Probably can’t sustain with wall but using hurricane and trap should be better than the nerfed storm master, especially with infiltrator’s 2 max stam lines, and as long as someone else provides off balance. Also, oakensoul gives minor slayer, so another reason to downgrade infallible mage set.
Ya, just tested max stam heavy attack with undaunted infiltrator on pts and got 91 k on first parse and not sure if med armor passives are working (cmx showing 115% crit damage). Looks like this might be the way to go.
I was thinking that as well. could also throw a bow on if you felt froggy. Run clannfear if you need a heal pet, I'd run no pet but you could
@@carlos424what skills, cp, mundus?
@@jmartinez5638 Skills: hurricane, trap, prey, scamp, tormentor CP: Deadly aim, backstabber, weapons expert, master at arms. Thief mundus. Got to 92.3k. Average about 89-90k. Could probably get 94-95k crit farming
@@carlos424 so pretty much the same, maybe a little less than storm master. Of course after the patch it'll probably be stronger
For me the biggest confusion is how you get both 5 set bonus using sargeants and storm masters with oakesoul. Can anyone explain please?
sergeants lightning staff is 2, 1 neck, 1 ring, 1 chest = 5, storm masters 1 each on belt, hand, leg, shoulder, feet =5, and only 1 monster piece like slimecraw on head. if you have monster shoulder use that but swap storm master helm
@@whiskeyclone9480 ohhh so the 1 staff counts as 2 pieces ?
@@TheWWStreetCrew Yep. Any weapon that takes up both slots will give the 2-piece bonus.
@@whiskeyclone9480 you sir, are a legend, thank you !
I dont feel it at all on my build
Going stamina wouldn't be better? All benefits from medium armor, HA will make sure you'll never run out of Magicka for your dot's and you will have plenty of stamina to roll/dodge/block/dance....
So they don't want people to do big damage
It's not accurate to say the pen from light is worthless because you aren't getting 18.2k pen for free on anything but a dummy, just over 9k is basically free because all tanks will run pierce (+the 700 from CP) but the rest comes with opportunity cost, the sets that are providing the rest of the pen can be swapped out for other sets if all your dps wear light and the crit dmg from medium can be picked up elsewhere.
This. Plus SM still procs from critical hit. changing mundus to lover and trait to sharpened, you lower your crit chance and proc SM even less. With 5 sec uptime, that is a mistake. Another point: you keep talking about trial conditions, but many ppl run HA dps trial groups where you don't necessarily have alkosh at all. So, hitting pene cap is not that obvious in every scenario. Every HA trial groups know this already