I think when she said, “More of us wears away” she meant that living as they did, no longer in a thriving and developing civilization but just surviving in stasis for thousands of years, was making a bunch of their knowledge & memories fade.
Doubt it was intentional but there are theories that human memory just has limits so that even if we lived forever or figured out a way to not make our body deteriorate, our memory simply has a max capacity. And I mean imagine yourself how cloudy and segmented your memory of childhood is, imagine if that was over 100 years ago
I mean if a cataclysm hits and ends many people from your country with no access to other sources to rebuild is not strange that slowly it'd dillute the little knowledge they already preserved. Idk why anyone would think isolation would make it easier to preserve your society lol
Disney threw this and Treasure Planet under the bus to specifically kill their 2D department, they did them so dirty. Honestly this might be one of Disney's most underrated films.
What's sad too is that both Atlantis and Treasure Planet are films that would have had a better chance at being good live action adaptations as opposed to all the other ones we got. I'm glad they're not yet, since I don't want this generation to work on them due to the lack of quality in what we've been given so far.
I wouldn't say they made this movie to kill their 2D department. Disney just didn't have a good record back then. Between Tarzan and Princess an the Frog, they had: * Dinosaur * Fantasia 2000 * Emperor's New Groove * Atlantis * Lilo & Stitch * Treasure Planet * Brother Bear * Home on the Range * Chicken Little * Meet the Robinsons * Bolt Other than Emperor's New Groove and Lilo & Stitch, none of those were particularly successful. They definitely weren't trying to "kill" 2D animation; they thought they could rescue it by showing it wasn't just for children's princess movies, but most of the movies they released during that time weren't appealing to Disney audiences and so weren't successful.
fun fact: the large fish mr. whitmore has in tanks are coelacanths. an ancient species of fish that were thought to be extinct at the time the movie is set in and only found in fossils. so its a hint that mr. whitmore has spent his life discovering things thought to not exist. years later we discovered living coelacanths basically unchanged from the fossils from millions of years ago.
Slight correction based on the way you worded that. We rediscovered them back in the 70s. Not after this movie. Apparently a living specimen was caught off the coast of Madagascar
@@ashleyjohnson9651 And both kept quiet about it while having them safe (while they’re on display, he doesn’t go out of his way to announce what they are, or reveal them to the public, foreshadowing that he’d vibe with the ending).
-"What else have you, uh, got in there?" "Oh, gunpowder, nitroglycerin, Notepads, fuses, wicks, Glue, and... paper clips, big ones. You know, just, office supplies " For whatever reason that quote stuck around over the years between my two brothers and I whenever we were packing or lifting something heavy.
For me and my siblings, the two that come to mind immediately is, "Hey, look, I made a bridge. Took me, like, what? Ten seconds. Eleven tops." and "Back up! I got soap, and I'm not afraid to use it!"
This movie has so many great lines. The acting talent is also top notch: Michael J. Fox, Claudia Christian, James Garner, Leonard Nimoy, Don Novello. The others are probably also more notable than I think.
The casaulties in this movie are enormous. The Atlanteans at the beginning, large portion of the people on the sub and then the rest with the stormtroopers.
I'm pretty sure the atlantean's degradation due to a mix of the atlantean's immortality causing complacency alongside the King's actions to supress their past knowledge and technology to not repeat the past. (Milo literally says that the King purposely hid it, while the King confirms it, saying that he doesn't want anyone to misuse the crystal's powers like he did.) also for milo and Kida, I think it's so awesome that Kida likes him not because he's manly or a warrior, she's already all those things and that's not what she's looking for, her interest is to reclaim Atlantis' past greatness and knowledge and He is the only one who could help her and provide her what she wanted. basically they were both passionate about learning about Atlantean Culture.
Plus they probably lost the majority of their people who knew how to make all the fancy high tech crystal machines and such. Just imagine how hard it would be to keep all our modern appliances and tools working if we lost the power grid and all the people who know how to maintain them.
I think the degradation is more due to the fact of taking a survival tact over a more established civilization. What is the point of writing if you are buried for all time? What use are your flying machines if you never leave the small city? A few centuries go by not using this knowledge and you'll forget it. You lean how to speak because everyone still speaks but writing really isn't essential.
One addition to your train of thought (it's not bad, I think you might like this): Atlanteans are not immortal, but they have extremely long lives. Let's assume they age in (more less) the same rythm (all grandparents are in the same generation and age at the same rythm, all parents are in the same generation and age the same, all sons around the same age are in the same generation...) How old is Kida's father? Extremely old. And what's the average age most of current Atlantis population looks like? Around Kida's age, or a bit older. That means most, if not all, the generation of the disaster has passed away (except for the King, and maybe very few others) and took the knowledge with them; causing this rift (that Atlanteans have long lives doesn't help; taboos are challenged as generations renew and reshape culture and its needs; if your society renews very slowly... taboos will stick for longer). It's interesting, and I think that's why it comes as shocking and incomprehensible, the idea that a culture actively wants to sabotage itself into dark ages, later than rebuild, thrive and learn from the past, rather than simply break every link with it.
THIS is a movie that deserves a live action remake! Disney keeps trying to make “safe” bets by remaking movies that were box office hits, what about great animated movies that for some reason weren’t financially successful but became huge hits after home release?
If they do make a live action remake, hopefully its not bright and cheery looking like most of their live action remake. Im hoping for more King Kong/Skull Island vibes.
Ahhhh, Disney's Stargate. A cult classic. This, along with Lilo & Stitch, is a diamond in the rough of the post-Renaissance Disney era. Brilliant animation, fantastic characters and just a ton of fun. Love it.
@@jonbrandre3006 They're not so much similarities as the exact same things. Atlantis gets a pass, though, because it's a much better movie than Stargate.
Re: plot holes - an additional bit of info you may not have focused on very much is another thing that the king said - that he had tried to use the Crystal as a weapon of war and it backfired (literally buried the city), and that's part of the reason why he hid it - not just to save Kida, but to stop anyone from misusing it again. And he said that it's evolved to be capable of thought, and seemed scared of the power it possessed. So he hid it. How exactly that made the whole culture deteriorate so much? That's for real a bit of a plot hole. At least the king not being able/willing to teach his people to read their language somewhat makes sense, since he's blind and clearly tried to erase the knowledge of the Crystal from their consciousness. Fun observation: the king can see at the start of the movie. He holds Kida as her mother is pulled into the Crystal, covers her eyes and tells her not to look - but he keeps looking. That's when he got blinded. The middle bit where you feel the movie skipped over too much - well. That's because they ran out of money. They had enough to do the first half of the movie, and then saved some for the ending - the middle bit of exploring Atlantis sadly had to get rushed/cut.
Thats a bummer about the movies middle part. But I remember playing the PC and PS1 games based on this movie and I imagined the extra stuff from that is supposed to be in the movie.
It’s not a plot hole. The majority of the Atlantean civilization was wiped out. They literally lost their culture, and for centuries they’ve had barely anything to read. Of course they forgot it, many of them (like Kida) probably never learned. The only exception is what they’ve salvaged from the modern generations, which is why they can speak modern languages.
The language thing is, IIRC explained in one of those "the making of" coffee table books that were all the rage back then (I have the one for Treasure Planet!), and is because they lived so long - basically, the cost of extreme longevity was losing memories.
I've heard that is was inspired by the egyptians, they had such an ancient and prosperous civilization but they got a bit out of touch with their own language. It's a strange concept, almost unrealistic, but I do like it cause it gives you a sense of how much time these civilizations existed. My favorite example of this in media is in the video game Heaven's Vault, which is all about archeology and lost civilizations.
@@davidw.2791 for culture and/or tradition to persevere, you need both a strong sense of duty for parents to pass it down to their kids, if that gets disrupted, then thats one family that will no longer continue passing it down, and second, a strong institutional sense of duty within the society to preserve it, so even if individual bloodlines forget, the "tribe" doesn't forget, plus for culture and tradition to remain strong, everyone needs to participate and practice, it can't be just individuals. If you lose all of that, it becomes very easy for the culture and tradition to die.
@Prototype-357 but for the egyptians you could make the argument that because of the rise of christainity and then islam, the new religions not being all to favourable to paganism is the reason they became out of touch
Meh, Nat-lite? After all, all curly haired people look alike... Too similar to me, personality-wise. I'd prefer a contrarian aspect for a team up, not a "yes man"
The moment that's etched in my brain from this movie..... *Exaggerated French accent* "You have....disturbed...the dirt" I literally go on Mole's rant every time I'm sweeping and someone steps in my dirt pile
I think it's easier to say there were 48 states in 1914, which is specifically given in the movie. Your reply seems rather random considering the OP's comment.
They're both hot but Chel is so much more of a baddie, I can't believe how far they pushed it with her in what was ostensibly a Disney-style kids' movie
@LordMangudai The outfit that Chel wears in the movie is the "conservative" option. The concept artists also made a other version that is her just butt ass naked wearing only a VERY short poncho with a plunging neckline and nothing else.
@@NatalieGoldReacts Part of it is the edgy art style. They hired Mike Mignola, the writer & illustrator of Dark Horse Comics' "Hellboy", as a designer and his linework accentuates characters' physical features even more than the standard Disney style does (which is saying something). Combine that with the adult jokes (many of which were penned by Joss Whedon when he did script-doctoring) and you have one thirsty-as-hell film.
@@AdamFishkin I always thought the Mignola-era character design was rather ugly. For all the hype, his big innovations were square fingers and sharp features. 🤷♂
Fun fact: there was going to be a tv show, and they did make the first three episodes but it ended up being squished together into Atlantis 2. But I looooove the concept of the TV show so much, especially the one with the dust coyotes.
The biggest sadness involving that cancellation was that it was confirmed one of the episodes would be a Gargoyles crossover...and now, we'll never see it.
@@nickthedreamer4434 Even worse is that it was in production, and a demo reel of it (with audio, I believe) was shown at conventions for a while. :( I'm so sad we never got that episode. I wonder if we'll get it now in the new comics?
I recall learning about how some things in past cultures were considered to be known by all so they weren't taught and eventually future generations forgot them. So the Atlantians could be experiencing that.
@@maximas95 I meant as in they at the time of the flood they already hadn't been taught, and iirc most of the army got caught outside the barrier before the city sank. So those who were left didn't know how to operate the devices. Though I have no explanation about them not being able to read. Maybe survival after the flood took precedent so thats why atleast she can't read.
Disneys cinematic releases weren't usually childrens movies, they were family films. They were supposed to be fun for kids and parents. So they included humour parents could enjoy and they touched on mature themes that parents could guide their children through while watching together. These days more people seem to expect animated films to be tamer because in most households every parent has to work and unsupervised screens are so readily availabe to kids.
To explain the whole "Losing our culture" thing, you have to realize that when they went underground they cut off so much of they're culture, learning systems, and so much more, also you also have to think as well, many of the current people living in Atlantis were very young at the time of the great flood and were only just beginning to learning how to read andwrite Atlantian, and were only beginning to learn about they're culture, so with what little they had in terms of culture over thousands of years, after learning a new way of life and living for so long, the culture would die out slowly because they don't have ways of learning more about the culture unless it was through painting or just scraps that were left intact
@@maximas95 he was mostly a figure head that ran things but, he isn't a teacher or someone that can recall all of they're history and culture, thats where the learning systems come into play that can go more deeper into that
There are many cultures that shared knowledge orally, and during assimilation or language changes, it's easy for that culture to be lost. Especially when people stop writing down or learning from text (in ancient societies, this was traditionally done by the elite class). In Mesoamerica for instance, shamans or the priesthood practically had their own class with sacred knowledge.
I assumed the king made learning against the law and everyone just went along with it as they didn't know better and Kida being the princess was the only one still looking into things knowing she couldn't get in as much trouble. The king not wanting to repeat history just tried pulling the plug on all of it and just letting Atlantis linger on as it was.
I love this one, because the animation is phenomenal and this is one of the only Disney movies where there isn't B.S. musical numbers for no reason or used as massive exposition dumps.
This was an epic theater experience as a kid. And I loved the cereal they put out with the Atlantean ruins molded into them. When you poured the milk the indentions filled with milk and became legible. I think they had puzzles or something to translate on the box
This was the most underrated film Disney ever produced. The scenery was bomb, the character design was so wonderfully unique, and the music impeccable. Kida was my Disney princess, and one of the few to actually become queen!
I was obsessed on Atlantis for a couple years. I somewhat recall finding a book on Amazon that was basically an illustrated copy of the script. And the Atlantean language Disney made up was roughly translated, not to mention so much trivia! 😊 The book is called Atlantis The Lost Empire The Illustrated Script (Abridged with notes from the filmmakers.) Not sure if Amazon is still selling it, but ya never know.
I remember McDonald's having a collection of toys from the movie and my parents eating the Happy Meal just do I could get them all. This movie is a nostalgia masterpiece and I completely saw myself in Milo.
I always take any opportunity to bring up Jim Varney. Jim Varney did some voice work for Disney with Toy Story (Slinky Dog) and Atlantis(Cookie). But most know him as Ernest P. Worrel from the Ernest movies and commercials. The first four Ernest films were released by Disney through Touchstone Pictures. Ernest Goes to Camp, Ernest Saves Christmas, Ernest Goes to Jail, and Erenst Scared Stupid. He was an incredible character actor and a wonderful person. Unfortunately, he was a heavy smoker and passed away from lung cancer. He is dedicated in the credits of this film. There is also a great book about his life called "The Importance of Being Ernest," which is being made into a documentary.
This was one of my favorite movies as a kid and remains my favorite Disney movie to this day. The writing is so clever compared to most other kid's movies. After taking Italian classes, my favorite joke became Vinny talking about his flower shop hours and saying he'd take August off because the Italian-equivalent of summer vacation is ferragosto, which takes place over the month of August! Like, that is such a deep cut for an American audience that I'm just impressed that they'd incorporate a subtle joke like that.
This movie has some incredibly funny lines honestly my boyfriend and I quote “Hey Miloh can you give me something sporty…. Like a tuna?” All the time lmao
Found this paragraph from an info blog: “This is a Kewpie doll from around 1920. The Kewpie dolls were invented in a comic strip by Rose O’Neill. The characters in this comic were baby cupids. In 1909, Rose O’Neill created paper dolls of the cupids to sell and in 1912 Germany started making these dolls out of bisque (or porcelain). Overtime these dolls were made from other various materials such as a composition material, celluloid, and plastic.” I’d guess that “solid gold kewpie doll” is a reference to a popular set of paper dolls in the 1920’s :)
And those plastic Kewpie dolls were commonly given out as prizes at carnivals. There was a time when the phrase, "You won the Kewpie doll." in response to someone getting something right, would have been pretty well known but, a century after the heyday of the Kewpie, it's becoming another forgotten artifact of culture.
Zippy is adorable and has fantastic hair! You two bounce nicely off each other. Also: thirsting after Princess Kida is the most natural thing in the world!
When Kida fuses with the crystal and she and the previous kings within ensured Milo all would be well, I presume Milo did not anticipate that the crystal had any defensive capability after how docile its behavior was while being taken. But I believe that it was a ploy to deceive Rourke and the rest of his party into a feeling of assuredness, with Milo and the rest in an accidental converse gloom. But the crystal's power is very noticeably proximal; it has a range to its influence, and it's shown throughout the movie. With the abductors' help, it can reach and remedy the failed defenses that did not successfully repel them in the first place, possibly cause an explosion to kill the crew, and through Kida's body, return to the city and establish order and safety again. But Milo and company go after it and rescue the crystal themselves instead.
Also, this movie has the same general premise as Stargate: nerdy scientist has a theory about an ancient civilization and is given the chance to prove himself right... whacky science fiction hijinks ensue. STARGATE would make a great reaction!
@@AgentMattox Yeah, fifteen seasons of two shows might be a bit much.... Best we can hope for is maybe the OG Stargate film. Director's Cut, of course.
@@my_randomology I agree. It's too long. I think I did watch the whole thing, and there's great highs and some low lows, but ultimately I think it's too much of a time investment. It was an easier watch on television than going for a binge. Slow burns are like that.
i mean this was the era of adult jokes in kids movies to keep the parents entertained so i was a little surprised at how shocked y’all were haha. most if not all of the adult jokes went over younger audiences heads- it was fine. and personally as a child i preferred the movies that didn’t “talk down” to kid audiences by avoiding heavy topics or consequences.
This movie and Treasure Planet are my favourite and most underrated Disney films. It’s time they brought back their 2D/hand drawn animation style I miss it so much.
The best thing about all of the adult joke - kid were either busy laughing at other parts of the scene, looking at the cool animation, or the jokes only make sense once you've collected enough life experiance. So the jokes for adults keep the parents entertained when it is famliy movie night.
I remember seeing this in theaters years ago and loving every minute of it, and it still holds up over 20 years later. The cast for this one is stellar: Michael J. Fox, Tommy Lee Jones, Jim Varney, Phil Morris, Leonard Nimoy, etc. Treasure Planet is another criminally underrated Disney movie from this era.
I’m so excited to see SO MANY people finally giving this movie the love it deserves . It was my instant favorite Disney movie as a kid . I was 11 when the movie hit theatres and I loved it so much . Milo thatch was goals for me as the kinda person I wanted to be
I'm 6 minutes in loving the fact you've NO IDEA how awesome this joint is! Look beyond the fact that it's a movie, and it'll reveal the secrets of civilization AND le Universe!
Atlantis, while not a perfect movie, is still a lot of fun. There are a few plot holes, but the "Treasure Hunters" have so much personality, they all get a laugh for different reasons. Would have loved to see more of them, but I understand with an hour and a half to two hours, there are limitations. I still really enjoy it, and I'm glad to see it getting some attention after all these years.
The music from this when the dive under water together & where Kids walks across the water to the crystal are both beautiful & one of the bests scores in an Animated Film. 🎶🙌🏻
Ironically enough, Atlantis pulled off the diversity Disney is forcing itself into in a smooth and organic way: the main cast literally included every social and ethnic layer of 1910s USA. And all that without being shoehorned in or being in your face about how diverse they are.
Think a lot of the "lost culture" beats are justified by Atlantis being mostly flooded. Like the mural that we saw Milo and Kida dive for. So after losing most recorded knowledge the King just decided to not attempt to restore it or record it anew to avoid recovering the knowledge that destroyed Atlantis in the first place. He may even have mandated that certain things not be taught or recorded, he certainly had the authority and motivation. Even if the population that lives now is mostly the same as back then, over hundreds of years of not using your written language you'll get pretty rusty. This being said, there's a theory to be made that most Atlanteans don't live such long lives and that Kida and the King age so slowly due to their proximity to the Heart. We see children, babies, and young and old adults among the main population. They would definitely be a thriving and extremely populous people if they were all basically immortal and reproduced as much as the people we saw. Speaking of the power that destroyed Atlantis, at the very beginning if you look closely you'll see a massive energy explosion in the background that looks like a sun. This is the event that causes the tsunami that sinks Atlantis. The King talked about using the power they had to wage war, but it being too much for them. Atlantis basically had the ability to utilize nukes, and they detonated one so close it destroyed Atlantis. When I realized that the tonality of the story shifted a bit. Atlantis is basically a post-apocalyptic nuclear society that would've dominated the world if it hadn't destroyed itself first. It's a cautionary tale about the dangers of technology, the treachery of war and desiring power. If Commander Rourke had carried the Heart back to the surface and sold it to the highest bidder we'd have a new super-power primed to destroy itself and the world. Not to mention...genocide. The stakes are actually immense for a Disney movie.
Plato used the quote about Atlantis in 360 BC. In 1,600 BC the volcano under Santorini exploded ending the Minoan civilization. In the year 2000 archeology found that Crete was also home to the Minoans and that the Minoans had pure copper (Crete was devastated by the tsunami created by Santorini's explosion). Prior to 1900, the only place in the world that had pure copper was the upper part of Michigan. Archeology found that copper was mined in Michigan for hundreds and hundreds of years, but finding a camp with a 1600 BC debris were not to be found because the area had been mined and over mined. So, when the Minoan civilization came to an end, the ancient Egyptian empire also withered because the Egyptians traded heavily with the Minoans. This left a power vacuum in the Middle East and it is the reason that the Greeks conquered Egypt. The Pharaohs of Egypt were Greek. The effects of Santorini's explosion were described (and exaggerated) in the book of Exodus in the Bible. Water turning to blood? Iron, shot into the atmosphere, rained down, causing the water to turn red and give it that taste that mimics blood. Amphibians raining to Earth? Yep, happens in volcanic explosions. Flies/pestilence? The atmosphere cooled and became moist (the clouds from the explosion drifted south, the explosion came in late winter, early spring). Hail? Thunderstorms from a wet atmosphere. Darkness? Again, the clouds drifted south. Finally, a plague that killed children? After a disaster, there are plagues and young children have under developed immune systems.
Imo this is the most underrated Disney animated movie ever made. I hadn't even seen it until a few years ago when my daughter was naming her favorite Disney movies (she's 25) and when she named this one I was like "Really? and her face was like 😱😱😱 "You don't know about Atlantis?!?" and we watched it right then.
the editing on this is killing me, it's so good! Props to whoever did the cuts between the two of them, I'm 7 minutes in and already laughing. Edit: Looked and it seems @CameronMarek is the mastermind. Great job!
There was a direct to TV sequel that was basically a TV pilot, much like other sequels around the same time (Aladdin 2, Stitch the Movie, etc.). It had the heroes come back to the surface to investigate rumors of lost Atlantean artifacts around the world. It played on the idea that all ancient cultures were related and had some really cool introductions to the overlap between history and mythology. Would have been an awesome show, but I guess they never got the greenlight to make more.
I absolutely adore this film, it's in my top 5 animated Disney movies list. The animation is amazing, voice acting is on point, lots of action, great story, damn I miss this version of Disney.
This was a film that I always saw or recorded when it came on tv. A lot of Disney's 2000s films between the Renaissance and Revival are amongst the most underrated Disney films.
'You don't watch this for the animation or character dessign'... well, I do XDDD From an animator's prespective, this is a masterpiece XDDD The lead dessigner from this movie is actually comic book artist Mike Mignolla... you may know him from his most famous character: Hellboy. If you see the original concepts they are actually awesome; the way the story of each character is told by their dessign is incredible and a masterclass in visual storytelling... ...but on the actual storytelling concerning the plot... I must concede to you; is actually a mess XDDD The overall characters, jokes and mood of the movie as you say, is I think more enjoyable for an adult... but the story is actually simplified for kids... and both aspects do not harmonize all that well. Kids buy the simplistic plot but don't get the adult jokes... adults love the characters but find the story flat and simplified. With a simillar premise; 'The Road to El Dorado'; by Dreamworks I think is a better mix of both, for example... and I don't even remember the music of Atlantis; so 'forgetable' may be a good adjetive, sadlly T.T Storywise, the movie explains that the king did not only hide the Cristal to avoid the fate of Kida, but also cause that tech was used in an extremelly destructive way, so to avoid been misussed; he basically banned all ancient knowledge... but if the Atlanteans are inmortal... wouldn't they remember how to read, for example? Even if the king banned to teach it to new generations? They are two possible answer for me... one; Atlanteans are inmortal thanks to their cristals... but their memory is human. They cannot remember ALL their thousands of years of continuous experiencies... so they keep making new memories and the old ones get been forgoten... so if the King bans the transmition of knowledge, this keeps been lost... but then, if they kept reproducing... why is there not overpoppulation if the old ones don't die? For me the second option is the rigth one: only thoose connected to the main Cristal; the royal familly (Kida and the King) are really inmortal; the rest may live long lives... but still die of old age; so none of the atlanteans who survived the sundering (except for the two royals) actually knew old Atlantis (and Kida been a todller at the time; this only leaves the King) so with the ancient knowledge been forbidden, only a part of the Atlantean tradition has been passed on to this generation... leaving all the high tech out of the picture by dessign of the King. BUT none of this is explained in the movie... so I can accept it as a plothole. And I agree that Milo gets TOO mutch power by been able to know more about them than themselves. Serves his character but cheapens the plot. Also, why when Kida fuses with the Cristal does nothing to figth back? To protect his father? Does the Cristal have a pacifist will so it only reacts to cataclismic events as the volcano but not to a bunch of pirates?... non explained. As it is told in the movie; is too simplistic. Also, the knowledge of Milo comes from a book written by somebody who studied about Altantis but never got to see it? How does this work? This is not how archaeollogy works. Also, the Atlantean language is the mother language of all the languages in the world... so Atanteans can speak ANY language even if they never had contact with it? A modern linguist who studies latin, will be able to learn moore esilly spanish, french, italian or portuguesse cause he could see the words, verbs and grammar that come from a common place... but you still need to study them and see the differences; you won't be able to simply deduce everything from a short conversation. Yeah, I'm nitpicking; but again; this movie wants to be a kids movie but still is more targeted towards adults... as an adult I want to believe the movie... but the movie gives me arguments feeble enougth only a childs suspense of disbelief would hold... mmmm. Not ideal. Still love the movie, is a hiden gem of animation but I totally get why it did not get the audience it deserved... cause it doesn't know whitch audience is that. Movies are more than just story, though; some aremade to be moved by it, some to be laugth at, to create disgust... and this is visually a masterpiece.
Mike Mignola, creator of the comic book Hellboy, was responsible for a lot of the style of the film. He did character design and production design for the movie. That's why it stands out so much. Also, James Newton Howard's score is very underrated , I think the music gets lost a lot in the discussion of Disney Scores from that era because its a departure from the Broadway style scores of the 90s and because the three scores he did for this early 2000s era are (all pretty great) are inextricably associated with the commercial failure of the three films they accompanied -Atlantis, Dinosaur and Treasure Planet-
A lot of people point out the similarities to the Stargate movie story line and characters. But there is another show predating this movie that shows a lot of elements which must have been inspiration for the overall design. "Nadia - Secret of Blue Water" is an Anime series that is also set on an steampunk/Jules Verne-like submarine looking for Atlantis. Also, the Ghibli movie Laputa has some blue crystals and giant stone robots the guardians here were reminiscent of. All in all, Disney tried to become somewhat more mature with this movie, but it didn't last long enough do kick off a new era for them. And Kidakagash (yes, she's hot) might be the most hidden Disney princess. Another hidden Disney Gem from that time is "The Emperor's now Groove"
So nice of Zippy to let this girl Natalie join her.
I know right? And this Nattie seems really solid, I think she has a big future ahead of her in the reaction space
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I think when she said, “More of us wears away” she meant that living as they did, no longer in a thriving and developing civilization but just surviving in stasis for thousands of years, was making a bunch of their knowledge & memories fade.
That's pretty much exactly what she meant.
Doubt it was intentional but there are theories that human memory just has limits so that even if we lived forever or figured out a way to not make our body deteriorate, our memory simply has a max capacity. And I mean imagine yourself how cloudy and segmented your memory of childhood is, imagine if that was over 100 years ago
I mean if a cataclysm hits and ends many people from your country with no access to other sources to rebuild is not strange that slowly it'd dillute the little knowledge they already preserved. Idk why anyone would think isolation would make it easier to preserve your society lol
Disney threw this and Treasure Planet under the bus to specifically kill their 2D department, they did them so dirty.
Honestly this might be one of Disney's most underrated films.
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Totally agreed on this. Disney can rot for burying this and Treasure Planet.
What's sad too is that both Atlantis and Treasure Planet are films that would have had a better chance at being good live action adaptations as opposed to all the other ones we got. I'm glad they're not yet, since I don't want this generation to work on them due to the lack of quality in what we've been given so far.
I wouldn't say they made this movie to kill their 2D department. Disney just didn't have a good record back then. Between Tarzan and Princess an the Frog, they had:
* Dinosaur
* Fantasia 2000
* Emperor's New Groove
* Atlantis
* Lilo & Stitch
* Treasure Planet
* Brother Bear
* Home on the Range
* Chicken Little
* Meet the Robinsons
* Bolt
Other than Emperor's New Groove and Lilo & Stitch, none of those were particularly successful. They definitely weren't trying to "kill" 2D animation; they thought they could rescue it by showing it wasn't just for children's princess movies, but most of the movies they released during that time weren't appealing to Disney audiences and so weren't successful.
I agree
fun fact: the large fish mr. whitmore has in tanks are coelacanths. an ancient species of fish that were thought to be extinct at the time the movie is set in and only found in fossils. so its a hint that mr. whitmore has spent his life discovering things thought to not exist.
years later we discovered living coelacanths basically unchanged from the fossils from millions of years ago.
Oh, so Jonni Future's ship.
Slight correction based on the way you worded that. We rediscovered them back in the 70s. Not after this movie. Apparently a living specimen was caught off the coast of Madagascar
@@tycol322he means in the movie’s timeline we thought they were extinct by the time the movie happens.
@@tycol322 oh i meant in universe! like mr whitmore caught some alive in 1914 before anyone else had ever seen them alive
@@ashleyjohnson9651 And both kept quiet about it while having them safe (while they’re on display, he doesn’t go out of his way to announce what they are, or reveal them to the public, foreshadowing that he’d vibe with the ending).
-"What else have you, uh, got in there?"
"Oh, gunpowder, nitroglycerin, Notepads, fuses, wicks, Glue, and... paper clips, big ones. You know, just, office supplies "
For whatever reason that quote stuck around over the years between my two brothers and I whenever we were packing or lifting something heavy.
The one that my friends would quote for years after was, "I got your four basic food groups right here: beans, bacon, whiskey, and lard"
Some many great quotes in this film.
For me and my siblings, the two that come to mind immediately is, "Hey, look, I made a bridge. Took me, like, what? Ten seconds. Eleven tops." and "Back up! I got soap, and I'm not afraid to use it!"
@@JinglesRasco You have disturbed the dirt!
“Trust me you don’t wanna know. Girl don’t tell him. You shouldn’t have told me but you did and I’m telling you Don’t wanna know “
"One character in particular." Glad I'm not the only Mrs. Packard stan out there.
This had me rolling, great comment 😂😂
Plus she is pretty great
This and Road to Eldorado. 😂
I mean, how could you not be. She sleeps in the nude
Don't forget Cookie
"carrots, why is it always carrots? I don't even eat carrots" that line in this movie always lives rent free in my head😂
That's the actual lining of a person's stomach that people think is carrots.
I always connect this to that Sinbad movie too!
It's also a nod to the fact that Michael J. Fox is allergic to carrots
@@eoingallagher6225 It's not stomach lining. It's lumps of orange-coloured bile.
This movie has so many great lines. The acting talent is also top notch: Michael J. Fox, Claudia Christian, James Garner, Leonard Nimoy, Don Novello. The others are probably also more notable than I think.
The casaulties in this movie are enormous. The Atlanteans at the beginning, large portion of the people on the sub and then the rest with the stormtroopers.
Thank you for having me! I had so much fun filming this video 😊
Youre soo cute!! I love the hair!!!
I'm pretty sure the atlantean's degradation due to a mix of the atlantean's immortality causing complacency alongside the King's actions to supress their past knowledge and technology to not repeat the past. (Milo literally says that the King purposely hid it, while the King confirms it, saying that he doesn't want anyone to misuse the crystal's powers like he did.)
also for milo and Kida, I think it's so awesome that Kida likes him not because he's manly or a warrior, she's already all those things and that's not what she's looking for, her interest is to reclaim Atlantis' past greatness and knowledge and He is the only one who could help her and provide her what she wanted. basically they were both passionate about learning about Atlantean Culture.
Yeah they wouldn’t even be able to repair the damage done to their one (1) remaining city as time goes by.
Plus they probably lost the majority of their people who knew how to make all the fancy high tech crystal machines and such. Just imagine how hard it would be to keep all our modern appliances and tools working if we lost the power grid and all the people who know how to maintain them.
I think the degradation is more due to the fact of taking a survival tact over a more established civilization. What is the point of writing if you are buried for all time? What use are your flying machines if you never leave the small city? A few centuries go by not using this knowledge and you'll forget it. You lean how to speak because everyone still speaks but writing really isn't essential.
One addition to your train of thought (it's not bad, I think you might like this): Atlanteans are not immortal, but they have extremely long lives. Let's assume they age in (more less) the same rythm (all grandparents are in the same generation and age at the same rythm, all parents are in the same generation and age the same, all sons around the same age are in the same generation...)
How old is Kida's father? Extremely old. And what's the average age most of current Atlantis population looks like? Around Kida's age, or a bit older. That means most, if not all, the generation of the disaster has passed away (except for the King, and maybe very few others) and took the knowledge with them; causing this rift (that Atlanteans have long lives doesn't help; taboos are challenged as generations renew and reshape culture and its needs; if your society renews very slowly... taboos will stick for longer).
It's interesting, and I think that's why it comes as shocking and incomprehensible, the idea that a culture actively wants to sabotage itself into dark ages, later than rebuild, thrive and learn from the past, rather than simply break every link with it.
@@DocuzanQuitomos I actually thought just that after posting my previous comment. Great minds think a like. Well, ok minds at any rate.
THIS is a movie that deserves a live action remake! Disney keeps trying to make “safe” bets by remaking movies that were box office hits, what about great animated movies that for some reason weren’t financially successful but became huge hits after home release?
I'd see a word for word remake of this in theaters in a heartbeat
@@BassLineProductionsIThe Stargate movie hits very similarly.
@@AgentMattox I've actually been meaning to check that one out! Thanks for the recommendation it's gonna motivate me to finally watch it
If they do make a live action remake, hopefully its not bright and cheery looking like most of their live action remake. Im hoping for more King Kong/Skull Island vibes.
@@AgentMattox I've been saying this for ages! Atlantis has a lot of scenes basically copied from the original Stargate
Love this movie, Kida is the best Disney Princess there is. Also Milo reminds me so much of Daniel Jackson from Stargate
Atlantis and Treasure Planet are the best classic Disney movies, absolute gems.
That Disney did not want anyone to love.
Atlantis is an imitation of Ghibli's Castle in the Sky
@@kratosGOW Nice to know that mission was a complete failure. How many decades later and it's shown nothing but love.
"Boom! No more Chinese laundry."
One of the best movies.
This one and Treasure Planet are the most underrated Disney 2D animated movies ever. They deserve more recognition and even a Live Action remake.
Titan A.E. too
A live action remake of Atlantis could be amazing!
Ahhhh, Disney's Stargate. A cult classic.
This, along with Lilo & Stitch, is a diamond in the rough of the post-Renaissance Disney era. Brilliant animation, fantastic characters and just a ton of fun. Love it.
Im glad someone else noticed the similarities in story
@@jonbrandre3006 They're not so much similarities as the exact same things. Atlantis gets a pass, though, because it's a much better movie than Stargate.
Re: plot holes - an additional bit of info you may not have focused on very much is another thing that the king said - that he had tried to use the Crystal as a weapon of war and it backfired (literally buried the city), and that's part of the reason why he hid it - not just to save Kida, but to stop anyone from misusing it again. And he said that it's evolved to be capable of thought, and seemed scared of the power it possessed. So he hid it. How exactly that made the whole culture deteriorate so much? That's for real a bit of a plot hole.
At least the king not being able/willing to teach his people to read their language somewhat makes sense, since he's blind and clearly tried to erase the knowledge of the Crystal from their consciousness.
Fun observation: the king can see at the start of the movie. He holds Kida as her mother is pulled into the Crystal, covers her eyes and tells her not to look - but he keeps looking. That's when he got blinded.
The middle bit where you feel the movie skipped over too much - well. That's because they ran out of money. They had enough to do the first half of the movie, and then saved some for the ending - the middle bit of exploring Atlantis sadly had to get rushed/cut.
Thats a bummer about the movies middle part. But I remember playing the PC and PS1 games based on this movie and I imagined the extra stuff from that is supposed to be in the movie.
It’s not a plot hole. The majority of the Atlantean civilization was wiped out. They literally lost their culture, and for centuries they’ve had barely anything to read. Of course they forgot it, many of them (like Kida) probably never learned. The only exception is what they’ve salvaged from the modern generations, which is why they can speak modern languages.
@@dearthofdoohickeys4703 It's like people forgot about what happened to us in the dark ages.
The language thing is, IIRC explained in one of those "the making of" coffee table books that were all the rage back then (I have the one for Treasure Planet!), and is because they lived so long - basically, the cost of extreme longevity was losing memories.
I've heard that is was inspired by the egyptians, they had such an ancient and prosperous civilization but they got a bit out of touch with their own language. It's a strange concept, almost unrealistic, but I do like it cause it gives you a sense of how much time these civilizations existed. My favorite example of this in media is in the video game Heaven's Vault, which is all about archeology and lost civilizations.
Cognitive degeneration. It's kind of like how the modern Maya people lost the understanding of ancient Mayan glyphs.
@@benschultz1784Did they do that forgetting on their own or was there a breakpoint because of colonialism?
@@davidw.2791 for culture and/or tradition to persevere, you need both a strong sense of duty for parents to pass it down to their kids, if that gets disrupted, then thats one family that will no longer continue passing it down, and second, a strong institutional sense of duty within the society to preserve it, so even if individual bloodlines forget, the "tribe" doesn't forget, plus for culture and tradition to remain strong, everyone needs to participate and practice, it can't be just individuals. If you lose all of that, it becomes very easy for the culture and tradition to die.
@Prototype-357 but for the egyptians you could make the argument that because of the rise of christainity and then islam, the new religions not being all to favourable to paganism is the reason they became out of touch
Zippy won me over in an instant. Bring back Zippy anytime.
Meh, Nat-lite?
After all, all curly haired people look alike...
Too similar to me, personality-wise. I'd prefer a contrarian aspect for a team up, not a "yes man"
I'm such a nerd that my favourite thing about this movie is how it correctly describes how pyroclastic flows work.
I thought that was Dante's Peak.
Milo is the "Me and the hot girl I pulled by being autistic" meme brought to life.
Hey, I resemble that remark!
As someone autistic I dont see it all all. Bt then again I never found Keda appealing.
Yeah you know, using tism as a tool is helpful for some.
@@amadexmilby7309Aurizzm
Love that meme
The moment that's etched in my brain from this movie.....
*Exaggerated French accent*
"You have....disturbed...the dirt"
I literally go on Mole's rant every time I'm sweeping and someone steps in my dirt pile
"I got your four food groups right here;
Bacon, Beans, Whisky and Lard!"
* People furiously trying to research during which time period were there 38 states in the Union *
I think it's easier to say there were 48 states in 1914, which is specifically given in the movie.
Your reply seems rather random considering the OP's comment.
@@wal6377 it’s random yes but I was reminded of that other quote because Bacon and Lard have significant overlap.
@@wal6377 cookie has "all 38 states tattoed on my body". It's not really random. Cookie is just that much older. And weird.
@@davidbergfors6820 Yup. States no 47 & 48 were only added in 1912.
Kida and Chel from Road to El Dorado informed my entire taste in women when i got older.
They're both hot but Chel is so much more of a baddie, I can't believe how far they pushed it with her in what was ostensibly a Disney-style kids' movie
@LordMangudai The outfit that Chel wears in the movie is the "conservative" option. The concept artists also made a other version that is her just butt ass naked wearing only a VERY short poncho with a plunging neckline and nothing else.
Nat: "One character in particular who's really hot."
Bisexual Blight: "Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?"
Surely it must be the old lady.
Milo
I forgot just how many were so attractive! haha
@@NatalieGoldReacts Part of it is the edgy art style. They hired Mike Mignola, the writer & illustrator of Dark Horse Comics' "Hellboy", as a designer and his linework accentuates characters' physical features even more than the standard Disney style does (which is saying something). Combine that with the adult jokes (many of which were penned by Joss Whedon when he did script-doctoring) and you have one thirsty-as-hell film.
@@AdamFishkin I always thought the Mignola-era character design was rather ugly. For all the hype, his big innovations were square fingers and sharp features. 🤷♂
"Hey Milo, you got something sporty? Like a tuna?" Always gets me!
Anything from Vinnie was just gold.
Fun fact: there was going to be a tv show, and they did make the first three episodes but it ended up being squished together into Atlantis 2. But I looooove the concept of the TV show so much, especially the one with the dust coyotes.
Yup, I remember those episodes; two of the 3 gave youngin' me nightmares. I wonder what direction it was shooting for? Horror? Adventure? Suspense?
@@zachlong5427 Dude the Lovecraftian one is probably the most horrifying thing I ever saw.
The biggest sadness involving that cancellation was that it was confirmed one of the episodes would be a Gargoyles crossover...and now, we'll never see it.
@@nickthedreamer4434 Even worse is that it was in production, and a demo reel of it (with audio, I believe) was shown at conventions for a while. :( I'm so sad we never got that episode. I wonder if we'll get it now in the new comics?
@@nickthedreamer4434Omg. The regulat Gargoyles series was set in the 1990s, right?
Atlantis, Treasure Planet, Hercules, The Road to El Dorado and Sinbad: Legend of the Seven Seas... PERFECTION! O.O
That's not Milo Thatch, it's Daniel Jackson from Stargate SG-1.
They are the same character.
The Stargate movie Daniel Jackson played by James Spader is more an inspiration for Milo
Why have I not put this together before?! I love both this movie and the Stargate Franchise!
CAME HERE FOR THIS❤😂
It's that The Office meme with Pam and the two identical pictures.
@@Prototype-357 dude oh my god yes!
I recall learning about how some things in past cultures were considered to be known by all so they weren't taught and eventually future generations forgot them. So the Atlantians could be experiencing that.
They aren’t future generations though. Almost everyone there was alive at the great flood.
@@maximas95 I meant as in they at the time of the flood they already hadn't been taught, and iirc most of the army got caught outside the barrier before the city sank. So those who were left didn't know how to operate the devices. Though I have no explanation about them not being able to read. Maybe survival after the flood took precedent so thats why atleast she can't read.
Disneys cinematic releases weren't usually childrens movies, they were family films. They were supposed to be fun for kids and parents. So they included humour parents could enjoy and they touched on mature themes that parents could guide their children through while watching together.
These days more people seem to expect animated films to be tamer because in most households every parent has to work and unsupervised screens are so readily availabe to kids.
one of my favorite movies, i was obsessed with the leviathan and the world building. i would try to recreate the city with toys and cups 😭
To explain the whole "Losing our culture" thing, you have to realize that when they went underground they cut off so much of they're culture, learning systems, and so much more, also you also have to think as well, many of the current people living in Atlantis were very young at the time of the great flood and were only just beginning to learning how to read andwrite Atlantian, and were only beginning to learn about they're culture, so with what little they had in terms of culture over thousands of years, after learning a new way of life and living for so long, the culture would die out slowly because they don't have ways of learning more about the culture unless it was through painting or just scraps that were left intact
Or a king that was the head of the culture in general that could teach all of the kids to read… unless he was actually just a military figure head.
@@maximas95 he was mostly a figure head that ran things but, he isn't a teacher or someone that can recall all of they're history and culture, thats where the learning systems come into play that can go more deeper into that
There are many cultures that shared knowledge orally, and during assimilation or language changes, it's easy for that culture to be lost. Especially when people stop writing down or learning from text (in ancient societies, this was traditionally done by the elite class). In Mesoamerica for instance, shamans or the priesthood practically had their own class with sacred knowledge.
I assumed the king made learning against the law and everyone just went along with it as they didn't know better and Kida being the princess was the only one still looking into things knowing she couldn't get in as much trouble. The king not wanting to repeat history just tried pulling the plug on all of it and just letting Atlantis linger on as it was.
I love this one, because the animation is phenomenal and this is one of the only Disney movies where there isn't B.S. musical numbers for no reason or used as massive exposition dumps.
This was an epic theater experience as a kid. And I loved the cereal they put out with the Atlantean ruins molded into them. When you poured the milk the indentions filled with milk and became legible. I think they had puzzles or something to translate on the box
Same same loved the movie in theater and the cereal
This was the most underrated film Disney ever produced. The scenery was bomb, the character design was so wonderfully unique, and the music impeccable. Kida was my Disney princess, and one of the few to actually become queen!
You should also check out Titan A.E and Treasure Planet. They're both VERY reminiscent of this one.
you found another hobbit-haired reactor!
The name for a group of curly haired girls should be "a shire"
Speaking of underrated Disney films, you should definitely watch Treasure Planet. That one especially was one of my favourites growing up
I met a woman who cosplayed as Capt Amelia for some event recently.
And the emperor’s new groove if the hostess hasn’t already.
"One character that was extremely hot", here I am making a list in my mind. To me it was definitely Helga.
I was obsessed on Atlantis for a couple years. I somewhat recall finding a book on Amazon that was basically an illustrated copy of the script. And the Atlantean language Disney made up was roughly translated, not to mention so much trivia! 😊 The book is called Atlantis The Lost Empire The Illustrated Script (Abridged with notes from the filmmakers.) Not sure if Amazon is still selling it, but ya never know.
I remember McDonald's having a collection of toys from the movie and my parents eating the Happy Meal just do I could get them all. This movie is a nostalgia masterpiece and I completely saw myself in Milo.
I always take any opportunity to bring up Jim Varney. Jim Varney did some voice work for Disney with Toy Story (Slinky Dog) and Atlantis(Cookie). But most know him as Ernest P. Worrel from the Ernest movies and commercials. The first four Ernest films were released by Disney through Touchstone Pictures. Ernest Goes to Camp, Ernest Saves Christmas, Ernest Goes to Jail, and Erenst Scared Stupid. He was an incredible character actor and a wonderful person. Unfortunately, he was a heavy smoker and passed away from lung cancer. He is dedicated in the credits of this film. There is also a great book about his life called "The Importance of Being Ernest," which is being made into a documentary.
This was one of my favorite movies as a kid and remains my favorite Disney movie to this day. The writing is so clever compared to most other kid's movies. After taking Italian classes, my favorite joke became Vinny talking about his flower shop hours and saying he'd take August off because the Italian-equivalent of summer vacation is ferragosto, which takes place over the month of August! Like, that is such a deep cut for an American audience that I'm just impressed that they'd incorporate a subtle joke like that.
This movie has some incredibly funny lines honestly my boyfriend and I quote “Hey Miloh can you give me something sporty…. Like a tuna?” All the time lmao
Found this paragraph from an info blog:
“This is a Kewpie doll from around 1920.
The Kewpie dolls were invented in a comic strip by Rose O’Neill. The characters in this comic were baby cupids. In 1909, Rose O’Neill created paper dolls of the cupids to sell and in 1912 Germany started making these dolls out of bisque (or porcelain). Overtime these dolls were made from other various materials such as a composition material, celluloid, and plastic.”
I’d guess that “solid gold kewpie doll” is a reference to a popular set of paper dolls in the 1920’s :)
reference to a 1920's doll in a movie set in 1914? I get it.
@@davidbergfors6820dolls from 1912. 1920 introduce composite materials.
And those plastic Kewpie dolls were commonly given out as prizes at carnivals. There was a time when the phrase, "You won the Kewpie doll." in response to someone getting something right, would have been pretty well known but, a century after the heyday of the Kewpie, it's becoming another forgotten artifact of culture.
@@Warlocke000 meaning you won a prize with no real value. Of course some now have collector value.
@@Warlocke000 so THAT'S what Kewpie mayonnaise is made from?
Zippy is adorable and has fantastic hair!
You two bounce nicely off each other.
Also: thirsting after Princess Kida is the most natural thing in the world!
The way I clicked so fast~ I love Atlantis so much 💜
Great characters, and the dialogue is on-point. SUCH an underrated film.
When Kida fuses with the crystal and she and the previous kings within ensured Milo all would be well, I presume Milo did not anticipate that the crystal had any defensive capability after how docile its behavior was while being taken. But I believe that it was a ploy to deceive Rourke and the rest of his party into a feeling of assuredness, with Milo and the rest in an accidental converse gloom.
But the crystal's power is very noticeably proximal; it has a range to its influence, and it's shown throughout the movie. With the abductors' help, it can reach and remedy the failed defenses that did not successfully repel them in the first place, possibly cause an explosion to kill the crew, and through Kida's body, return to the city and establish order and safety again.
But Milo and company go after it and rescue the crystal themselves instead.
Also, this movie has the same general premise as Stargate: nerdy scientist has a theory about an ancient civilization and is given the chance to prove himself right... whacky science fiction hijinks ensue. STARGATE would make a great reaction!
I was just about to post this. I would love for her to watch SG1 and Atlantis as well, but that's an insane time sync for a UA-cam channel.
@@AgentMattox Yeah, fifteen seasons of two shows might be a bit much.... Best we can hope for is maybe the OG Stargate film. Director's Cut, of course.
Other similarities: Military men have secret orders. Scientist stays behind with Woman he meets and falls in live with.
@@my_randomology I agree. It's too long. I think I did watch the whole thing, and there's great highs and some low lows, but ultimately I think it's too much of a time investment. It was an easier watch on television than going for a binge. Slow burns are like that.
@@DarkKnightBatman420 If someone wants to do it, go for it, but WOW it would take a while. Loved the shows, though!
24:40 helga said it herself, he is a linguist, a doctor and a plummer, he is single because he want to
All this praise for Princess Kida, where's the appreciation for Audrey?
Kida, Audrey and Helga. The hot native, the quirky tomboy and the femme fatale
This movie was so underrated. Kinda like Treasure Planet.
This was good but treasure planet was still much better
19:02 Wait... that voice.
Leonard Nimoy as Kashekim Nedakh, the King of Atlantis and Kida's father. I knew it!
🖖
Spock, "Admiral" One of the first crossovers between Disney "Star Wars" and Star Trek!
Disney wanted to make something for teenagers to expand their audience. It’s not really a kids movie. But you kind of figured that out.
In college, my friends and I saw this in the theater twice. 😂 We still quote it.
No, it doesn't seem like they did
i mean this was the era of adult jokes in kids movies to keep the parents entertained so i was a little surprised at how shocked y’all were haha. most if not all of the adult jokes went over younger audiences heads- it was fine. and personally as a child i preferred the movies that didn’t “talk down” to kid audiences by avoiding heavy topics or consequences.
great hair gang
This movie and Treasure Planet are my favourite and most underrated Disney films. It’s time they brought back their 2D/hand drawn animation style I miss it so much.
I love new format with you friend! You and Zippy have good chemistry and great curls😇
The best thing about all of the adult joke - kid were either busy laughing at other parts of the scene, looking at the cool animation, or the jokes only make sense once you've collected enough life experiance. So the jokes for adults keep the parents entertained when it is famliy movie night.
I loved this movie as a kid when it came out. first dvd our family ever got. Really disappointed it didn't catch on.
Out of all the films that Disney, THIS is the one I think deserves a Live Action Remake. Like, AN HONEST, real remake.
Whoever removed the L from the motor pool sign we are all very amused.
I remember seeing this in theaters years ago and loving every minute of it, and it still holds up over 20 years later. The cast for this one is stellar: Michael J. Fox, Tommy Lee Jones, Jim Varney, Phil Morris, Leonard Nimoy, etc. Treasure Planet is another criminally underrated Disney movie from this era.
Actually Rourke was voiced by James Gardner (but I can definitely see why you would think Tommy Lee Jones)
@@shanerose7204 Weird but interesting
I’m so excited to see SO MANY people finally giving this movie the love it deserves . It was my instant favorite Disney movie as a kid . I was 11 when the movie hit theatres and I loved it so much . Milo thatch was goals for me as the kinda person I wanted to be
Have you seen Stargate? Because the writers of this film did 😂
Right? 😂
😄 I just started re-watching the SG1 series and was thinking the same thing. Milo is very similar to Daniel
I CAN'T EVEN EXPLAIN THE LEVEL OF JOY I GET FROM REALIZING THAT THIS FACT IS MORE KNOWN, NOW.
2000s Teen Me™ feels so seen!!!😂😂😂
Stargate meets 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea
@@Native_Creation
The best part is that Daniel did eventually make it to Atlantis 🤣🤣🤣
Helga awoke something in me as a child, good lord
I'm 6 minutes in loving the fact you've NO IDEA how awesome this joint is! Look beyond the fact that it's a movie, and it'll reveal the secrets of civilization AND le Universe!
Atlantis, while not a perfect movie, is still a lot of fun. There are a few plot holes, but the "Treasure Hunters" have so much personality, they all get a laugh for different reasons. Would have loved to see more of them, but I understand with an hour and a half to two hours, there are limitations. I still really enjoy it, and I'm glad to see it getting some attention after all these years.
The music from this when the dive under water together & where Kids walks across the water to the crystal are both beautiful & one of the bests scores in an Animated Film. 🎶🙌🏻
Not me thinking they were talking about helga at the start 😂 I blame this movie for liking strong badass blondes
Ironically enough, Atlantis pulled off the diversity Disney is forcing itself into in a smooth and organic way: the main cast literally included every social and ethnic layer of 1910s USA. And all that without being shoehorned in or being in your face about how diverse they are.
Vinny is the greatest disney character ever
Fun Fact: Milo was based off of James Spader's character (Dr. Daniel Jackson) in Stargate
I am Li-Ving for the amount of curls and laughs in this reaction! 😆
As a kid, I jever doubted Rourke was a villain.
But having all the other characters be on his side blew my teeny little mind!
Think a lot of the "lost culture" beats are justified by Atlantis being mostly flooded. Like the mural that we saw Milo and Kida dive for.
So after losing most recorded knowledge the King just decided to not attempt to restore it or record it anew to avoid recovering the knowledge that destroyed Atlantis in the first place. He may even have mandated that certain things not be taught or recorded, he certainly had the authority and motivation.
Even if the population that lives now is mostly the same as back then, over hundreds of years of not using your written language you'll get pretty rusty. This being said, there's a theory to be made that most Atlanteans don't live such long lives and that Kida and the King age so slowly due to their proximity to the Heart. We see children, babies, and young and old adults among the main population. They would definitely be a thriving and extremely populous people if they were all basically immortal and reproduced as much as the people we saw.
Speaking of the power that destroyed Atlantis, at the very beginning if you look closely you'll see a massive energy explosion in the background that looks like a sun. This is the event that causes the tsunami that sinks Atlantis. The King talked about using the power they had to wage war, but it being too much for them. Atlantis basically had the ability to utilize nukes, and they detonated one so close it destroyed Atlantis. When I realized that the tonality of the story shifted a bit. Atlantis is basically a post-apocalyptic nuclear society that would've dominated the world if it hadn't destroyed itself first. It's a cautionary tale about the dangers of technology, the treachery of war and desiring power. If Commander Rourke had carried the Heart back to the surface and sold it to the highest bidder we'd have a new super-power primed to destroy itself and the world. Not to mention...genocide. The stakes are actually immense for a Disney movie.
Plato used the quote about Atlantis in 360 BC. In 1,600 BC the volcano under Santorini exploded ending the Minoan civilization. In the year 2000 archeology found that Crete was also home to the Minoans and that the Minoans had pure copper (Crete was devastated by the tsunami created by Santorini's explosion). Prior to 1900, the only place in the world that had pure copper was the upper part of Michigan. Archeology found that copper was mined in Michigan for hundreds and hundreds of years, but finding a camp with a 1600 BC debris were not to be found because the area had been mined and over mined.
So, when the Minoan civilization came to an end, the ancient Egyptian empire also withered because the Egyptians traded heavily with the Minoans. This left a power vacuum in the Middle East and it is the reason that the Greeks conquered Egypt. The Pharaohs of Egypt were Greek.
The effects of Santorini's explosion were described (and exaggerated) in the book of Exodus in the Bible. Water turning to blood? Iron, shot into the atmosphere, rained down, causing the water to turn red and give it that taste that mimics blood. Amphibians raining to Earth? Yep, happens in volcanic explosions. Flies/pestilence? The atmosphere cooled and became moist (the clouds from the explosion drifted south, the explosion came in late winter, early spring). Hail? Thunderstorms from a wet atmosphere. Darkness? Again, the clouds drifted south. Finally, a plague that killed children? After a disaster, there are plagues and young children have under developed immune systems.
I wonder if the opening explosion is taking cues from Akira, rio.
Imo this is the most underrated Disney animated movie ever made. I hadn't even seen it until a few years ago when my daughter was naming her favorite Disney movies (she's 25) and when she named this one I was like "Really? and her face was like 😱😱😱 "You don't know about Atlantis?!?" and we watched it right then.
The villain in this reminds me of the villain from Tarzan, in my head canon I say they're related in some way
Yeah, their designs are really similar!
Both your curly head of hairs are beautiful! As a fellow curly haried fellow. I love seeing others rock their curls lol.
the editing on this is killing me, it's so good! Props to whoever did the cuts between the two of them, I'm 7 minutes in and already laughing.
Edit: Looked and it seems @CameronMarek is the mastermind. Great job!
There was a direct to TV sequel that was basically a TV pilot, much like other sequels around the same time (Aladdin 2, Stitch the Movie, etc.). It had the heroes come back to the surface to investigate rumors of lost Atlantean artifacts around the world. It played on the idea that all ancient cultures were related and had some really cool introductions to the overlap between history and mythology. Would have been an awesome show, but I guess they never got the greenlight to make more.
This movie is freaking awesome! Later that year, for my birthday, my parents surprised me with a whole bunch of toys based on the movie.
I absolutely adore this film, it's in my top 5 animated Disney movies list. The animation is amazing, voice acting is on point, lots of action, great story, damn I miss this version of Disney.
Man, a Tom Holland?Zendaya-lead live action remake of this would actually go hard. I'm normally against that sort of thing, but the vibe is right.
Please no, no more Tom Holland and Zendaya 😭
I'd rather this movie stay unknown forever
I forgot how good this movie is. I watched this on vhs when I was like 10 and loved it. I deffs gotta give it a rewatch all the way through.
This was a film that I always saw or recorded when it came on tv. A lot of Disney's 2000s films between the Renaissance and Revival are amongst the most underrated Disney films.
This & Treasure Planet are 2 best & most underrated Disney Animated Films of all time. 🙌🏻
I've always know kewpie dolls, from antiquated carnival barkers: " Ring the bell, win a kewpie doll!"
'You don't watch this for the animation or character dessign'... well, I do XDDD
From an animator's prespective, this is a masterpiece XDDD The lead dessigner from this movie is actually comic book artist Mike Mignolla... you may know him from his most famous character: Hellboy.
If you see the original concepts they are actually awesome; the way the story of each character is told by their dessign is incredible and a masterclass in visual storytelling...
...but on the actual storytelling concerning the plot... I must concede to you; is actually a mess XDDD
The overall characters, jokes and mood of the movie as you say, is I think more enjoyable for an adult... but the story is actually simplified for kids... and both aspects do not harmonize all that well. Kids buy the simplistic plot but don't get the adult jokes... adults love the characters but find the story flat and simplified. With a simillar premise; 'The Road to El Dorado'; by Dreamworks I think is a better mix of both, for example... and I don't even remember the music of Atlantis; so 'forgetable' may be a good adjetive, sadlly T.T
Storywise, the movie explains that the king did not only hide the Cristal to avoid the fate of Kida, but also cause that tech was used in an extremelly destructive way, so to avoid been misussed; he basically banned all ancient knowledge... but if the Atlanteans are inmortal... wouldn't they remember how to read, for example? Even if the king banned to teach it to new generations?
They are two possible answer for me... one; Atlanteans are inmortal thanks to their cristals... but their memory is human. They cannot remember ALL their thousands of years of continuous experiencies... so they keep making new memories and the old ones get been forgoten... so if the King bans the transmition of knowledge, this keeps been lost... but then, if they kept reproducing... why is there not overpoppulation if the old ones don't die?
For me the second option is the rigth one: only thoose connected to the main Cristal; the royal familly (Kida and the King) are really inmortal; the rest may live long lives... but still die of old age; so none of the atlanteans who survived the sundering (except for the two royals) actually knew old Atlantis (and Kida been a todller at the time; this only leaves the King) so with the ancient knowledge been forbidden, only a part of the Atlantean tradition has been passed on to this generation... leaving all the high tech out of the picture by dessign of the King.
BUT none of this is explained in the movie... so I can accept it as a plothole. And I agree that Milo gets TOO mutch power by been able to know more about them than themselves. Serves his character but cheapens the plot. Also, why when Kida fuses with the Cristal does nothing to figth back? To protect his father? Does the Cristal have a pacifist will so it only reacts to cataclismic events as the volcano but not to a bunch of pirates?... non explained. As it is told in the movie; is too simplistic.
Also, the knowledge of Milo comes from a book written by somebody who studied about Altantis but never got to see it? How does this work? This is not how archaeollogy works. Also, the Atlantean language is the mother language of all the languages in the world... so Atanteans can speak ANY language even if they never had contact with it?
A modern linguist who studies latin, will be able to learn moore esilly spanish, french, italian or portuguesse cause he could see the words, verbs and grammar that come from a common place... but you still need to study them and see the differences; you won't be able to simply deduce everything from a short conversation.
Yeah, I'm nitpicking; but again; this movie wants to be a kids movie but still is more targeted towards adults... as an adult I want to believe the movie... but the movie gives me arguments feeble enougth only a childs suspense of disbelief would hold... mmmm. Not ideal.
Still love the movie, is a hiden gem of animation but I totally get why it did not get the audience it deserved... cause it doesn't know whitch audience is that. Movies are more than just story, though; some aremade to be moved by it, some to be laugth at, to create disgust... and this is visually a masterpiece.
This was a favorite of my children when it came out on video. We watched it over and over and over and over and over. They thought it was hilarious.
Hands down one of my favourite Disney movies. So much characters in the animation!
Really digging the hair change, Nat. It makes you look like a different person!
Mike Mignola, creator of the comic book Hellboy, was responsible for a lot of the style of the film. He did character design and production design for the movie. That's why it stands out so much. Also, James Newton Howard's score is very underrated , I think the music gets lost a lot in the discussion of Disney Scores from that era because its a departure from the Broadway style scores of the 90s and because the three scores he did for this early 2000s era are (all pretty great) are inextricably associated with the commercial failure of the three films they accompanied -Atlantis, Dinosaur and Treasure Planet-
A lot of people point out the similarities to the Stargate movie story line and characters.
But there is another show predating this movie that shows a lot of elements which must have been inspiration for the overall design.
"Nadia - Secret of Blue Water" is an Anime series that is also set on an steampunk/Jules Verne-like submarine looking for Atlantis.
Also, the Ghibli movie Laputa has some blue crystals and giant stone robots the guardians here were reminiscent of.
All in all, Disney tried to become somewhat more mature with this movie, but it didn't last long enough do kick off a new era for them.
And Kidakagash (yes, she's hot) might be the most hidden Disney princess.
Another hidden Disney Gem from that time is "The Emperor's now Groove"
You really need to check out the series also. John from San Francisco
The worldbuilding in this film is phenomenal. Also, Packard and Helga are absolute queens.
Just started watching and OMG this movie was so amazing! Claudia Christian for the win!
This where I first heard Michael J Fox’s voice