It's a beautiful look, thanks Sam! I've been shooting this way with Blazar 1.8x and 1.5x lenses, which all rotate on PL, on a Z Cam E2 F6 which you can set to desqueeze either vertically or horizontally in camera. Super flexible, with 3:2, 4:3, 6:5 or 16:9 ratios.
@@samdotroden it's just the view that it desqueezes, not the actual file recorded, but it means you can use pretty much any monitor regardless of whether it has anamorphic desqueeze or not.
Awesome Sam. I had a conversation with someone about doing this on a set about 5 years ago. The DP thought I was crazy and that I did not understand how anamorphic lenses work....needless to say love to see this technique popping up in a few places.
Great video! So helpful! Beautiful work Sam! The open house is every Wednesday at their Glendale HQ. Wednesday Lensday! 10:30am-1:30am free coffee and crepes!
Welllll wow! I never even thought about doing this. Subscribed and really love that look! Very strange though that for some reason it doesn't appear that the bokeh is oval. It doesn't look anamorphic to me this way and I am unsure why.. Will rewatch again to try to better understand. It would be great if you could post some photos of this rig in your description.
Really fantastic imagery. The square reminds me of my old 120 film experiences. It is a different mind set but if shoots are planned/ story board etc then simple.
love this! this is the most succinct explanation I have come across of this approach. I wrote out my current setup if anyone is interested! ive been shooting vertical anamorphic *photography* for a bit with an anamorphic adapter because they are more easily rotatable than most lenses and I love it! the original photographic aspect ratio of 3:2 is convenient for the less extreme 1.33x squeeze of the adapter. I am a 6x6 medium format shooter so I love the square-ish look of 3:2.66. Pairing my medium format lenses with a 0.7x focal reducer (aka speedbooster) AND the vertical anamorphic adapter has me close to a medium format feeling on a full frame sensor :) I dont have any monitoring solutions so far but i have gotten alright at composing the squeezed image... and with video I am enjoying the 4:3 image i can get with vertical squeeze and 16:9 horizontal shooting despite those funky vertical flares
Nice Sam. Would love the set up you have. Image quality and sensor characteristics have always been my priority, and it seems that you have found the perfect balance. RED is awesome.
Would love to see how this trick could work on a true full frame camera that can shoot 3:2 open gate, cuz theoretically, at 2X squeeze, it'd give a perfect 4:3 image straight outta the camera without any cropping, which is currently my favorite aspect ratio, plus it'd make the image almost look like it was shot on a medium format sensor since doubling the hight of an open gate full frame sensor (generally around 36x24mm) makes it really close to medium format generally around 48x36mm. Maybe someone can even try it on the new BlackMagic 6K Full Frame if access to an Arri Alexa LF or a Sony Venis is limited?🤔
I saw someone try this test out on a Blackmagic URSA. It's so weird to turn a S35 sensor into an Academy ratio using an anamorphic. Perhaps this is a new look that could get picked up by more filmmakers.
Rotate the camera 90 degrees and shoot with the ful sensor so it’s 9x16, leave the lens in its normal position squeezing horizontally. Bring the footage into your nle, rotate the image 90 degrees then desqueeze and you’ll have an 18x16 (or 9x8) final image
I actually thought about vertical anamorphic when you said that you had to crop the anamorphic footage. A lot of people rotate anamorphic adapters 90 degrees to achieve this. Cool that it can be done with a proper anamorphic lens as well.
Double focusing seems like a production nightmare for a full feature. Maybe fine for quick bites for social media but soft shots is really risky for a feature. Especially since you are already in the riskiest of business
There’s no double focus on the Atlas Lenses. I could be wrong but I believe that’s a product of adding an anamorphic element to a spherical lens - but the lenses built for anamorphic out of the box are set up with single focus, no doubt one of the reasons they tend to be more expensive…
double focusing is only required for anamorphic adapters attached onto a taking lens. Standalone anamorphic lenses like hawks, atlas and cookes work the same as a single focus solution.
I've wanted to try this on super 16 on an sr3 or 416 - image plane is about 1.66:1 so you need to crop quite a bit if you wanna shoot anamorphic, mounting the camera sideways is a great way to fix this, but it does make the rigging and monitoring an absolute nightmare
I’m sure, the Komodo being a box is a little easier to rotate 90 degrees but even that isn’t super fun… with a film mag I can’t imagine! Interesting use case though.
Soo curious to see how the workflow was man! I been wanting to do it myself but I didn't know how to frame it, show it on the monitor (small hd cine) etc. perhaps you can make a video about your workflow.
thanks for watching. I'd be happy to follow up with more. what kinda of stuff would be most helpful? screen recording of the editing software? BTS of the actual assembling of the camera?
@@samdotroden now I just need to find an adorable pl mount anamorphic 😭 I might actually try one of those anamorphic adapters and just rotate it 90 degrees
2:07: Literally every single PL mount lens I've ever seen has had slots for the indexing pin on all four tabs, this isn't really unique. Really cool video tho! I have been wanting to try this but I didn't think there was a practical way to monitor the image. I had no idea I could de-squeeze that way on my SmallHD! Gonna go try it ASAP.
It's really not the kind thing you'd notice unless someone tells you. Honestly it's super weird that it's even an option since there's no obvious benefit to rotating a spherical lens (That I know of). But I'm glad its there tho because this trick is awesome! Again, great vid! @@samdotroden
Hi Sam, I'm a Komodo owner Op and I really love the look you managed to achieve at 0:59, I'm very curious about what lens/ filter combination you used for that shot,. Amazing content, looking forward to reading from you.
Hi! Thanks for the comment. That was shot on the trusty sigma art 18-35. I’m guessing the focal length was around 24 or 28. I may have had nd filters on but no filters that affected the look. Mostly just had nice light and I think the grade is pretty key. The thing I’ve noticed with the Komodo is you can really get different looks out of the sensor depending on how you expose so I’d suggest playing around with that (ie underexpose skin a bit versus over expose, etc. dynamic range permitting I like to underexpose a bit. Seems to take a little of the sharpness off the image which is my preference). Hope that helps!
I’d just edit on a standard timeline in resolve, 1920x1080 or UHD, export a prores master and then cut out an mp4 in media composer. But an 18x16 4k export would be 2430x2160.
What is your method to rotate the image 90• for monitoring? Been testing out a similar setup for an upcoming project (Alexa Mini 4:3 vertical with lens in normal orientation), our SmallHD 702s allow the custom 0.5x desqueeze but we have yet to figure out a way to rotate the monitor image by 90• so the 702s don’t have to be mounted vertically
Yeah, I don’t think you can rotate the image in monitor 90 degrees. I have the GDU red-style hinge mount for my monitor, and basically just leave it in its normal position, so when I rotate the camera, the monitor is now on the left side of the camera and the whole setup including the monitor is rotated 90 degrees physically. But you’re right that that could be a challenge with different setups like EVFs.
Not if you rotate the camera 90 degrees. Basically you leave the lens in the normal position, but have the camera offset 90 and you're stretching a 9x16 sensor to 18x16
Going to try this with my Vazen 50mm. I believe it can be mounted sideways just like yours. Thanks for the video Going to try this on my Komodo as well, a cool thing to note is - on the Z Cams. you can actually do this type of de-squeeze internally so you could run this combo with any monitor.
Thank you for sharing this. Concerning the monitoring options, my general experience has been that production grade equipment has features that you’ll need in the future, you just don’t know it yet, so it’s better to get your hands on older models of production grade equipment, than to get your hands on newer camera bodies that are not production grade because it will come back to bite you. Naturally, most of us cannot afford what we would like to shoot on, but knowing that it’s better to save up for production grade equipment, if possible, helps point a person in the right direction for their gear journey. If a monitor costs $200 there is a reason why. If a monitor costs $3500, there is a reason why. But at the end of the day, a $200 monitor is better than no monitor at all. Thank you for letting me know about this unique feature of a small HD monitor, because even though I cannot afford one at present, knowing that it is production grade with features that I may not need today but might need tomorrow, these features make it a worthwhile investment worth saving up for. 😊👍
@@samdotroden got it! Why didn’t you select the anamorphic mode in-camera? Just curious, as I’m renting an anamorphic adapter this week to use with my Komodo, so the more I learn beforehand the better. Thanks again!
@@dice_mov because since you're rotating the camera 90 degrees, you'll ultimately be desqueezing the other direction. The internal camera desqueeze is only for horizontal desqueeze.
@@samdotroden do you mind elaborating a bit more on the post workflow? Shooting with the 1.5x lens and rotating the camera, how do you manage the 4:3 aspect ratio in post? What desqueeze do you apply? Thanks! (Sorry for the dumb question, this is my first venture into anamorphic and of course I want the vertical look!)
That square anamorphic format is so interesting visually - i think it could be amazing to use in a narrative piece
Thanks, yeah I've toyed with the idea for narrative, still haven't done it yet tho
This was used on the amazon prime show "Homecoming" in 2018 at least once per episode. It's not new at all!
Very interesting! Loving the “open gate” anamorphic. Feels medium format in a way. Would be interested in seeing more examples.
It's a beautiful look, thanks Sam!
I've been shooting this way with Blazar 1.8x and 1.5x lenses, which all rotate on PL, on a Z Cam E2 F6 which you can set to desqueeze either vertically or horizontally in camera. Super flexible, with 3:2, 4:3, 6:5 or 16:9 ratios.
That's interesting, I think the z cam is the first camera I've heard that allows you to desqueeze in camera either way.
@@samdotroden it's just the view that it desqueezes, not the actual file recorded, but it means you can use pretty much any monitor regardless of whether it has anamorphic desqueeze or not.
@@alzibaba that's amazing
I am looking for this long time, thanks to show result and way to do it in your video. very useful!!!
Thanks! Appreciate it.
Awesome Sam. I had a conversation with someone about doing this on a set about 5 years ago. The DP thought I was crazy and that I did not understand how anamorphic lenses work....needless to say love to see this technique popping up in a few places.
Haha, yeah it takes a bit of thinking to wrap one's brain around it! Thanks for the watch.
Helpful stuff here...Thanks for posting!
Great video! Beautiful footage. Can’t wait to see more 😊
Great video! So helpful! Beautiful work Sam! The open house is every Wednesday at their Glendale HQ. Wednesday Lensday! 10:30am-1:30am free coffee and crepes!
And I so confidently said Thursday! Haha, thanks, I'll put a note in the description :)
Cool lil video! I think it's a really interesting look, love that shot in the denim factory!
appreciate it!
When you started saying youbshoot portrait bi instantly thought why not do this!
Happy someone else is doing it
Welllll wow! I never even thought about doing this. Subscribed and really love that look! Very strange though that for some reason it doesn't appear that the bokeh is oval. It doesn't look anamorphic to me this way and I am unsure why.. Will rewatch again to try to better understand. It would be great if you could post some photos of this rig in your description.
Just posted a new video with a walk through of the rig!
Really fantastic imagery. The square reminds me of my old 120 film experiences. It is a different mind set but if shoots are planned/ story board etc then simple.
love this! this is the most succinct explanation I have come across of this approach. I wrote out my current setup if anyone is interested!
ive been shooting vertical anamorphic *photography* for a bit with an anamorphic adapter because they are more easily rotatable than most lenses and I love it! the original photographic aspect ratio of 3:2 is convenient for the less extreme 1.33x squeeze of the adapter. I am a 6x6 medium format shooter so I love the square-ish look of 3:2.66. Pairing my medium format lenses with a 0.7x focal reducer (aka speedbooster) AND the vertical anamorphic adapter has me close to a medium format feeling on a full frame sensor :) I dont have any monitoring solutions so far but i have gotten alright at composing the squeezed image... and with video I am enjoying the 4:3 image i can get with vertical squeeze and 16:9 horizontal shooting despite those funky vertical flares
Taking notes...very interesting perspective(s).
Nice Sam. Would love the set up you have. Image quality and sensor characteristics have always been my priority, and it seems that you have found the perfect balance. RED is awesome.
Hi! Just posted a quick walk through of my setup :)
@@samdotroden just saw. Wildly inspirational. Hoping to own something like that one day. Loving the videos.
Love this :) you've got a new sub. Keep it going man, can't wait to see what will you come up with next
Gosh I love that almost square frame! One of the reasons I sometimes play with the 8x7 footage a GoPro can give you.
oh interesting, I haven't done that before
@@samdotroden Doing it with the Hero 11 and sometimes using it on fashion shoots in tight spaces for a different perspective.
@@julianlengfelder I'll have to check that out. thanks for the idea.
wow, fantastic idea
This is great, Sam! Thanks for sharing what you've learned.
Great tip, good luck with the channel. Subscribed👍
Would love to see how this trick could work on a true full frame camera that can shoot 3:2 open gate, cuz theoretically, at 2X squeeze, it'd give a perfect 4:3 image straight outta the camera without any cropping, which is currently my favorite aspect ratio, plus it'd make the image almost look like it was shot on a medium format sensor since doubling the hight of an open gate full frame sensor (generally around 36x24mm) makes it really close to medium format generally around 48x36mm. Maybe someone can even try it on the new BlackMagic 6K Full Frame if access to an Arri Alexa LF or a Sony Venis is limited?🤔
That’s a good point about getting 4x3 from a 3:2. Interesting idea!
I saw someone try this test out on a Blackmagic URSA. It's so weird to turn a S35 sensor into an Academy ratio using an anamorphic. Perhaps this is a new look that could get picked up by more filmmakers.
Very interesting and says a lot about the way the industry is moving! Thanks Sam, subscribed
Solid video and Atlas it really great with letting people stop by and try out lenses
Great vid. I use the Laowa rear anamorphic adapter set vertically since it is 1.33 and a 2x front set horizontally
I tried to do this once and confused myself so much I couldn’t make it work 😂 I need to try this again. Thanks for sharing!
I like
Thanks Blaine, your channel is one of my very favorites!
thank you @@samdotroden ! looking forward to seeing what else you post here!
I did this by accident on a project when swapping a lens in the dark, never thought to use it for real though. Looks cool!
had no idea this was a first video, well done.
thanks! making up for lost time haha
understand a 0.5x desqueeze for the 2x orians. what would be the desqueeze if i was using a 1.5x anamorphc?
My guess would be .75x desqueeze but I haven't actually tested...
Wait so after you switch the camera and lens verticially, you shoot in 16:9 or 4:3?
Rotate the camera 90 degrees and shoot with the ful sensor so it’s 9x16, leave the lens in its normal position squeezing horizontally. Bring the footage into your nle, rotate the image 90 degrees then desqueeze and you’ll have an 18x16 (or 9x8) final image
This is awesome. Subbed!
I actually thought about vertical anamorphic when you said that you had to crop the anamorphic footage. A lot of people rotate anamorphic adapters 90 degrees to achieve this. Cool that it can be done with a proper anamorphic lens as well.
Well I learned something!
Double focusing seems like a production nightmare for a full feature. Maybe fine for quick bites for social media but soft shots is really risky for a feature. Especially since you are already in the riskiest of business
There’s no double focus on the Atlas Lenses. I could be wrong but I believe that’s a product of adding an anamorphic element to a spherical lens - but the lenses built for anamorphic out of the box are set up with single focus, no doubt one of the reasons they tend to be more expensive…
double focusing is only required for anamorphic adapters attached onto a taking lens. Standalone anamorphic lenses like hawks, atlas and cookes work the same as a single focus solution.
Portkeys monitors also let you desqueeze vertically🤙🏻
I've wanted to try this on super 16 on an sr3 or 416 - image plane is about 1.66:1 so you need to crop quite a bit if you wanna shoot anamorphic, mounting the camera sideways is a great way to fix this, but it does make the rigging and monitoring an absolute nightmare
I’m sure, the Komodo being a box is a little easier to rotate 90 degrees but even that isn’t super fun… with a film mag I can’t imagine! Interesting use case though.
Amazing,
that's a pretty cool way to change things up.
thanks! yeah it's always fun to play with gear haha
@@samdotroden for sure, but also trying out different aesthetics. Have you tried the great joy lenses?
@@StefanThorndahl totally, I differently have used unique lenses to motivate me creatively! No I haven't used the great joys yet. Do you like them?
I wonder if you could do it with Laowa Proteus as well or if only Atlas have the machining of the mount set in a way that would enable it
I think probably. I realized afterwards that just about every PL mount has the tab cut outs, so it should be good
Soo curious to see how the workflow was man!
I been wanting to do it myself but I didn't know how to frame it, show it on the monitor (small hd cine) etc.
perhaps you can make a video about your workflow.
thanks for watching. I'd be happy to follow up with more. what kinda of stuff would be most helpful? screen recording of the editing software? BTS of the actual assembling of the camera?
BTS would be awesome ✨
Just posted a quick walk through of it!
Very nice video! Thank you for all the hard work! I think I could learn a lot here (sub'd)
I want to know how I can do this on my lumix s5ii because shooting things in a square ratio is incredible.
If you can put a PL adaptor on it, it’s possible. You just need a mount that will allow you to rotate the lens 90 degrees.
@@samdotroden now I just need to find an adorable pl mount anamorphic 😭
I might actually try one of those anamorphic adapters and just rotate it 90 degrees
@@CartyCantDance haha, yeah it adds up...
Subscriber 27 🔥🙏🏼 Keep it coming!💪🏼
Working on a new one as we speak ;)
2:07: Literally every single PL mount lens I've ever seen has had slots for the indexing pin on all four tabs, this isn't really unique. Really cool video tho! I have been wanting to try this but I didn't think there was a practical way to monitor the image. I had no idea I could de-squeeze that way on my SmallHD! Gonna go try it ASAP.
Hahaha, yeah, I realized that afterwards. I think I've just never really thought about it because I don't normally rotate lenses...
It's really not the kind thing you'd notice unless someone tells you. Honestly it's super weird that it's even an option since there's no obvious benefit to rotating a spherical lens (That I know of). But I'm glad its there tho because this trick is awesome! Again, great vid! @@samdotroden
people have been doing this with anamorphic adapters for yeaaaars. Definitely gaining more and more use case with the need for 9:16 deliveries though
No doubt! And yes, I agree that vertical deliveries are becoming increasingly prevalent.
Hi Sam, I'm a Komodo owner Op and I really love the look you managed to achieve at 0:59, I'm very curious about what lens/ filter combination you used for that shot,. Amazing content, looking forward to reading from you.
Hi! Thanks for the comment. That was shot on the trusty sigma art 18-35. I’m guessing the focal length was around 24 or 28. I may have had nd filters on but no filters that affected the look. Mostly just had nice light and I think the grade is pretty key. The thing I’ve noticed with the Komodo is you can really get different looks out of the sensor depending on how you expose so I’d suggest playing around with that (ie underexpose skin a bit versus over expose, etc. dynamic range permitting I like to underexpose a bit. Seems to take a little of the sharpness off the image which is my preference). Hope that helps!
Great stuff. Happy to be subscriber 2.
thanks so much, really appreciate it! 2nd subscriber and 1st commenter haha
What camera are you using with it chief? Very nice
what would the editing aspect ratios be when shooting vertical to edit and desqueeze properly
I’d just edit on a standard timeline in resolve, 1920x1080 or UHD, export a prores master and then cut out an mp4 in media composer. But an 18x16 4k export would be 2430x2160.
How are you able to mount the komodo 90 degrees from vertical? Is an L-bracket needed or is there a simpler/more secure way?
I have the gdu Timmy ribs which allows for a tripod plate to be connected directly
What is your method to rotate the image 90• for monitoring? Been testing out a similar setup for an upcoming project (Alexa Mini 4:3 vertical with lens in normal orientation), our SmallHD 702s allow the custom 0.5x desqueeze but we have yet to figure out a way to rotate the monitor image by 90• so the 702s don’t have to be mounted vertically
Yeah, I don’t think you can rotate the image in monitor 90 degrees. I have the GDU red-style hinge mount for my monitor, and basically just leave it in its normal position, so when I rotate the camera, the monitor is now on the left side of the camera and the whole setup including the monitor is rotated 90 degrees physically. But you’re right that that could be a challenge with different setups like EVFs.
FYI I just posted a quick walk through of my rigging. Probably won’t help you situation on the mini though
Very nice! I think a client would be much happier to look at that image with frame lines as apposed to a 4:1 image with 9:16 frame lines
How much do you charge as a price range for your commercial shoots?
So are the flares now vertical instead of horizontal ?
Not if you rotate the camera 90 degrees. Basically you leave the lens in the normal position, but have the camera offset 90 and you're stretching a 9x16 sensor to 18x16
Going to try this with my Vazen 50mm.
I believe it can be mounted sideways just like yours. Thanks for the video
Going to try this on my Komodo as well, a cool thing to note is - on the Z Cams. you can actually do this type of de-squeeze internally so you could run this combo with any monitor.
It works great w the Vazen 50. I did this w the f6 for a mini Cooper film like 3 years ago
Wait so what did you do? Turn the camera on the side and punched in 280%?
Turn the camera on its side and dequeeze .5x. Watch my last video to go thru it in more detail :)
Great effect and technique but title is wrong as this is not new.
No doubt, I just hadn’t seen much online about it!
Thank you for sharing this. Concerning the monitoring options, my general experience has been that production grade equipment has features that you’ll need in the future, you just don’t know it yet, so it’s better to get your hands on older models of production grade equipment, than to get your hands on newer camera bodies that are not production grade because it will come back to bite you. Naturally, most of us cannot afford what we would like to shoot on, but knowing that it’s better to save up for production grade equipment, if possible, helps point a person in the right direction for their gear journey. If a monitor costs $200 there is a reason why. If a monitor costs $3500, there is a reason why. But at the end of the day, a $200 monitor is better than no monitor at all. Thank you for letting me know about this unique feature of a small HD monitor, because even though I cannot afford one at present, knowing that it is production grade with features that I may not need today but might need tomorrow, these features make it a worthwhile investment worth saving up for. 😊👍
So while shooting this which format in the camera did you select for the 1.5x? Thanks!
I'd be shooting in the normal 16x9 mode, turned 90 degrees so it's 9x16. The desqueeze and rotation happens in post.
@@samdotroden got it! Why didn’t you select the anamorphic mode in-camera? Just curious, as I’m renting an anamorphic adapter this week to use with my Komodo, so the more I learn beforehand the better. Thanks again!
@@dice_mov because since you're rotating the camera 90 degrees, you'll ultimately be desqueezing the other direction. The internal camera desqueeze is only for horizontal desqueeze.
@@samdotroden thanks so much for the responses!
@@samdotroden do you mind elaborating a bit more on the post workflow? Shooting with the 1.5x lens and rotating the camera, how do you manage the 4:3 aspect ratio in post? What desqueeze do you apply? Thanks! (Sorry for the dumb question, this is my first venture into anamorphic and of course I want the vertical look!)
7th😎 sub!
Interesting! What about the focus puller? Did he forget to come? Sorry, mate, but it is very annoying a video where the talking head is out of focus.
lol. yeah. still getting used to shooting myself... anamorphic @f2.8 isn't the most forgiving!