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Sam Roden
Приєднався 14 вер 2013
An Argument for CLEAN Lenses
A recap of my recent lens experiences leading me to purchase a set of Tokina Vista Primes, along with a few project examples.
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Відео
How to MAXIMIZE your RED Camera Sensor
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Tip and tricks to thinking about exposing a raw image on Red cameras.
My VERTICAL ANAMORPHIC Setup
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After my 1st video, I had several questions about how I setup my rig for vertical anamorphic. Here's a quick walk through! #anamorphic #vertical #redcamera #komodo #atlas #orion #semishittyrig
VINTAGE LENSES in a Digital World
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I review fashion video footage I shot on a variety of vintage photo lenses and talk about how inspiration can come from glass with character and imperfections. #vintagelenses #lenses #vintage #leica #helios #zeiss #jena #red #komodo #fashion
A New Way to ANAMORPHIC
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I've started shooting vertically with my anamorphic lens, allowing me to make use of the lens even when clients require vertical deliveries. EDIT: Open house at Atlas's Glendale HQ is Wednesday 10:30am-1:30pm #anamorphic #red #komodo #atlas #orion
I always pick the cleanest lenses possible, anamorphic included, I want the cleanest and most neutral lenses available and that is it cause I hate flaring, ghosting, distortion, vignetting, weird bokeh...etc
So true, do I like the look??? I have Blazar remus anamorphic lenses I love and a 1.2 canon 85mm RF I love. Sharpness to me is not the driving factor, yes there is to soft but most lenses are sharp enough.... but how do you want the out of focus areas to look??
I think for me it really depends on the mood I want to create. I've very much enjoyed using the funky helios 44-2 and the Zeiss Jena 20mm, also the distortion from the atlas anamorphic is great, but yeah, there's something very pleasing to me about these tokinas even though they're totally different from the messier vibes I had aimed for in the past...
Great argument!
Thanks!
Subscribed! What focal length or equivalent FF is your talking head shot on? I like it!
Thanks! Not exactly sure the focal length, was on a zoom. I think somewhere around a 32mm on FF.
7:07 "there are other things than how the bokeh looks", other than the three you mentioned later: distortion, contrast, non-clinical sharpness, anything else to pay attention to while testing lenses?
That's a really good question. I think there are the basic technical things to know: what size sensor does it cover, what f or t stop does it open to, vignetting, focus breathing, fringing/CA, obvious distortions or limitations -- all those things have such a big effect on what's possible, but yeah after that is where I think a lot of it comes down to feel which at least for me is only possible to really learn from shooting with a lens. I know that specifically with the Tokina Vista's there's something in the construction that leads to a very gentle transition from areas that are in focus to out of focus. I'm not sure if that what appeals to me about them or not, but that's the closest technical explanation I've heard. Long and short of it, it really just comes down to if I like how it feels (and of course if how it feels is right for a given project).
Agree man! Currently only using photo lenses, zooms for event work and primes for commercial work. Don’t see the benefit in cine lenses for my workflow and production speed. I don’t have half a day to get a couple of shots and never have someone focussing for me. Good chat
Yeah, sounds familiar!
Definitely start leaning more towards clean lenses myself
interesting. what lenses have you liked recently?
@ just shot a music video using a Zeiss CP Zoom- loved it
Awesome, I loved hearing your thoughts! Interesting to see how the industry's tastes and preferences are evolving
Definitely. The way technology and cost of that technology has evolved in the last 15 years is amazing.
I agree. Seems that we have enough tools at our disposal in davinci and with filters to get that character. Starting with a base that is sharp and then using the softness as an artistic piece. It’s always a balance and I feel like we can achieve the balance easier with post production rather than on location. Like adding distortion to audio without clipping. Good video mate.
Yeah it's an interesting question. I've shot both ways before. I suppose it's whatever the project calls for in terms of process.
@ yeah exactly.
Good stuff man!
Thanks! Appreciate it :)
how much Left to Right loss do you have with this way of shooting -- maybe shooting a feature with it soon on a Sony Venice system
The Sony Venice has open gate so doing this vertical anamorphic setup makes less sense IMHO, but if you shoot 16x9, rotate the camera 90 degrees so you're 9x16, then use a 2x anamorphic, you'll have an 18x16 frame, so it'll be slightly wider than the spherical focal equivalent -- so a 40mm would be just wider than a 40 mm spherical lens, but way taller FOV.
what would the editing aspect ratios be when shooting vertical to edit and desqueeze properly
I’d just edit on a standard timeline in resolve, 1920x1080 or UHD, export a prores master and then cut out an mp4 in media composer. But an 18x16 4k export would be 2430x2160.
There is a significant difference in highlight retention going over 800 iso on these RED's.
Yeah, I am usually shooting in situations where I don't like losing too too much detail in the shadows so on the OG Komodo I rarely push it beyond 800 but I've seen successful examples of doing so for sure. On the Komodo X or raptor there's definitely more wiggle room IMHO.
Thanks for the video! This is the first time I've understood how this works
Glad it helped!
While shooting with the same exact settings and desqueezing in Premiere, the second I click anamorphic 2.0 under pixels setting, it turns into a skinny mess 🤣 it squeezes it more
It seems when I apply my 2x desqueeze in Premeire it desqueezes it vertically, not horizontally after I rotate it. Any ideas how to fix that?
@@dice_mov That's definitely possible, I haven't tried in premiere. I'm not sure what you should do but I'd guess there's a way... sorry I can't be more helpful. Can also download the free version of resolve?
So while shooting this which format in the camera did you select for the 1.5x? Thanks!
I'd be shooting in the normal 16x9 mode, turned 90 degrees so it's 9x16. The desqueeze and rotation happens in post.
@@samdotroden got it! Why didn’t you select the anamorphic mode in-camera? Just curious, as I’m renting an anamorphic adapter this week to use with my Komodo, so the more I learn beforehand the better. Thanks again!
@@dice_mov because since you're rotating the camera 90 degrees, you'll ultimately be desqueezing the other direction. The internal camera desqueeze is only for horizontal desqueeze.
@@samdotroden thanks so much for the responses!
@@samdotroden do you mind elaborating a bit more on the post workflow? Shooting with the 1.5x lens and rotating the camera, how do you manage the 4:3 aspect ratio in post? What desqueeze do you apply? Thanks! (Sorry for the dumb question, this is my first venture into anamorphic and of course I want the vertical look!)
I found this helpful, thanks. Yours is the first resource I've come across that explains the way increased ISO can preserve highlight information with RED: it's just a cheat to cause us to stop down so our histogram reports good exposure. The traffic lights may have already been happy, but by doing this we just give the highlights that much more share of the data real estate. You found a simple way to make this easily absorbable. Thanks!
I'm glad, yes that's exactly it. I feel like once you can wrap your brain around what's happening it makes a lot of sense.
Great video, Sam. The Helios and Jenas look beautiful. What speed booster do you use use to cheat FF out of the Komodo’s S35 sensor, and did you encounter any issues with focus? I am having back focus issues / not able to focus to infinity, using the Komodo-X with Jenas and Metabones PL-RF 0.71x Speedbooster.
Thanks! I use the canon rf to ef .71 focal reducer and no, I haven't had any back focus issues with that. I used to have an Alexa classic with an ef mount and had issues with that on one lenses. My understanding is the wider the lens, the more perfect the back focus has to be or else infinity can become an issue.
understand a 0.5x desqueeze for the 2x orians. what would be the desqueeze if i was using a 1.5x anamorphc?
My guess would be .75x desqueeze but I haven't actually tested...
What the side monitor grip?
I have a small rig top handle attached to a nato rail and the monitor is attached to the camera with a GDU hinge monitor mount.
@@samdotrodencan i get a link for monitor mount?
@@modern_warshop global-dynamics-united.myshopify.com/collections/komodo/products/gdu-komodo-monitor-mount but you may want to do this one instead kondorblue.com/products/monitor-swivel-mount-pan-tilt?variant=39828199702576¤cy=USD&g_network=x&g_productchannel=online&g_adid=&g_locinterest=&g_keyword=&g_campaign=account&g_adtype=pla&g_keywordid=&g_ifcreative=&g_acctid=814-825-7213&g_locphysical=9061095&g_adgroupid=&g_productid=shopify_US_4702132240432_39828199702576&g_source=%7Bsourceid%7D&g_merchantid=338217688&g_placement=&g_partition=&g_campaignid=19470157914&g_ifproduct=product&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAABsWx5thH-wrLlbaGHQ-hVh3rbx_2&gclid=Cj0KCQjwlvW2BhDyARIsADnIe-IrcllzqgceMB6SEYebXFki-cg4cM7DNAAylcu7L9vggsDrEooy4NQaAiB4EALw_wcB
@@samdotroden thank u a lot, but i still can’t understand what will be better for hands shooting. So many things to understand 😢 Is it possible to get 360* video of your camera?
Good explanation.
Thanks!
We’ve been trying to figure out a production monitor solution for this set up, any suggestions for client monitor i.e. 13”, 17”, 22” +? We are using a smallHD to monitor on camera, but it can’t “output” the corrected 0.5x squeeze page.
Hah, yeah this starts to get wonky in a bigger professional situation. Do the bigger SmallHDs also allow for reverse desqueeze? I suppose in theory you could do the same thing as on camera and rotate the monitor 90 degrees. I've seen rotated monitors on stills shoots before so it's definitely possible... let me know if you solve it.
@@samdotroden Thanks for the response and input! We found a solution, all of the larger SmallHD monitors work as long as they have the newest firmware update!
@@AlotoBrock Nice, that's good to know!
do you have any videos in vertical orientation , I would love to see the actual output
If you watch my first UA-cam video you'll see a clip or two of raw footage from an unfinished fashion shoot. I'll post more next time I shoot a project this way.
thanks for help me alot bro!
Thank you! you explained cleary and simply some complicated subjects. and it looks like u know what you are saying. it's hard to find on youtube. i subscribed 10 seconds into the video! 👌
Thanks, glad it was helpful
Is only Smallhd capable of custom desqueeze? Every monitor I’ve tried doesn’t have this function, Osee & Atomos 😔
I believe some of the portkeys monitors can do it, but not all of them. Also I believe the zcam allows you to do it internally. But yes, smallhd is your best bet.
@@samdotroden Really? Like their premium one? The BM5 or w/e
@@kazlepek6552 I'm not sure, I've only been told it's possible, might wanna ask around on a Facebook group about it. But yes, I think it's only on their premium ones. I had a cheaper one of theirs at one point and you could not do it.
@@kazlepek6552a little late, but just in case you were still looking into this, the portkeys pt6 is a super cheap option and it allows you to do custom Desqueeze anywhere from 0.25x - 4.0x. 👍
@@kazlepek6552 a little late, but just in case you were still looking into this the portkeys pt6 is a super cheap option and allows a custom desqueeze of anywhere from 0.25x - 4.0x.
Now to find clients to make these videos. Yay ❤
Thanks for the video, very informative. I’m gonna share some of my thoughts as I just got the Komodo and watched hours of these traffic light tutorials I don’t understand why everyone keeps making the claim that iso doesn’t matter then they say it matters for highlight/shadow protection. Many sources say that the footage actually directly benefits from the practice that you described (shifting the middle gray point, higher iso when more light and so on). I understood you that it’s more of an exposure adjustment dial for monitoring purposes than something that affects the image directly. And the example with lower iso for moody scenes with less light makes a lot of sense to me, I can see how I would want to have darker look but still expose kind of to the right if possible. But the example with shooting higher iso in bright exterior scenes is strange - I’m either gonna look at annoyingly bright monitor that doesn’t reflect how I want my footage to look, or I will up the iso and then compensate so much with NDs and/or iris that shadows will get noisy. Feels like it’s better to stay at 800/500 and just watch traffic lights, unless there’s actually some benefit for the footage when raising iso
ISO definitely matters, it's just not baked in in the same way that it would be in non-raw footage which allows for some extra flexibility. But yes, you're totally correct, it definitely still matters!
It's a beautiful look, thanks Sam! I've been shooting this way with Blazar 1.8x and 1.5x lenses, which all rotate on PL, on a Z Cam E2 F6 which you can set to desqueeze either vertically or horizontally in camera. Super flexible, with 3:2, 4:3, 6:5 or 16:9 ratios.
That's interesting, I think the z cam is the first camera I've heard that allows you to desqueeze in camera either way.
@@samdotroden it's just the view that it desqueezes, not the actual file recorded, but it means you can use pretty much any monitor regardless of whether it has anamorphic desqueeze or not.
@@alzibaba that's amazing
Wow, useful tip!! Thank you so much!! Could not figure out how to rotate the image on my Focus 5 as well... Could you please suggest how to set aspect ratio guides to frame for 16:9 or 1.85:1 with vertical setup?
Are you wanting to do that so you can crop either vertically or horizontally with the same footage? I think if you want 16:9 or 1.85:1 you should probably just shoot the normal way and save the vertical anamorphic for if you either want the boxy frame or need to shoot vertically. Seems to me, it will become quite a headache to try and do both and you're also losing a decent amount of resolution at that point. That said, if you really need to do it, I think the quicker way would be to measure the screen and put paper tape down. Manually might be easier... haha.
Thank you so much how important is white balance on a red camera is that also a lut based idea do you need to adjust your white balance ?
I think the idea of raw is that you can adjust white balance after the fact. I try to get it somewhat close when shooting but have always found the R3D extremely forgiving with color adjustment. Definitely very important to get color balance right in the grade though!
What custom desqueez do you need to put in monitor for a 1.5x anamorphic?
I haven’t tried, but I suspect it’s .75
@@samdotroden Thanks! I was hovering between .70-.75 on what just looked correct. I would suspect it to be .75 as well. Should give me enough to see what's in frame before post.
Very nice video! Thank you for all the hard work! I think I could learn a lot here (sub'd)
Red actually says to raise the ISO to 1600 or higher in daylight / bright scenes because it gives you a better image from shifting dynamic rage to the middle / highlights. They use examples and show how the affects the raw image. You of course have to adjust ND or f-srop ass needed. I think few people really shoot this way but it makes sense once you see the test footage.
No iso affects how much light hits your sensor
Totally, my point was that with cameras that have gain, people crank it as a way of making the image feel brighter but it's not a substitute for light on a sensor...
@@samdotroden yeah its just a semantic issue where you phrase it early in a way that could confuse people. Its a great video though👌
@@JohnFultonCGL makes sense, appreciate the feedback and thanks for watching!
I would start and exposure video without overexposing your face 😅
Remember that the 28 on the focal reducer on your komodo in 6k 17:9 is also a .95 so that is more like 26.6mm of that 28 in width and your helios is 55.1 and the 50 is 47.5 width fov!
Good point!
Cool! How much anamorphic squeeze would you need to get a final result of 16:9?
Not really possible. The best best would be to shoot the standard way, and crop the 2.40:1 down to 16:9.
@@samdotrodenhow close would you get with a 2x lens with an additional 1.5 adapter in the front, or does that create problems? Not sure how you would calculate this as I’ve not tried the realm on anamorphic yet. Would it be 9:16 -> 18:16 -> 27:16 that would be about 15:9?
Hehe i have experimented. I stacked a sirui 1.25 which will push closer to your goal as it has an 82mm thread rear. What you will lose is a bit of light and gain more "character" @nordfilmcompany
@@anthonyrock5039Brilliant, thanks mate! Worth it? What lens did you use with the adapter?
@nordfilmcompany keep in mind your filter size as you lens becomes a take in and to reduce vignette possibilities you want to be stepping up to your final optical additions. I started with my 50mm milvus and the 1.25 sirui anamorphic adapter rotated(you can mount it normally and then press an alignment button that allows for precise rotational possibilities)as I wanted to use it with another sirui 50 1.6 anamorphic but got side tracked 🤣. You will have to stop down as the point of focus narrows significantly.
I am looking for this long time, thanks to show result and way to do it in your video. very useful!!!
Thanks! Appreciate it.
How much do you charge as a price range for your commercial shoots?
Love it. Thanks, Sam! 🎥
Finally. You are the first of many who actually in clear, clean and well constructed manner where able to explain and deliver how this actually works. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
hello, could you please make a new video and talk more on a real life exposure scenarios like this you are sitting by your bed ? what exactly setting you have and what do you use for setting exposure? false colors or GIO Scope?
Hey Sam, amazing content as usual!
Appreciate it!
Great video dude!!
Thanks! Really appreciate it
But, what’s the point?
To some degree just playing around for fun. But I came across the idea because I wanted to feel the characteristics of anamorphic but needed to deliver in a vertical aspect ratio. It gives your anamorphic lens more use cases than 2.40:1.
looks cool
@@nbshftr - 😂🤣😂🤣
when done correctly the back ground blur is "stacked"more vertical .It is a special look.(A lot of work to setup too) Here the taking lens is important because the bokeh is the key to the successful shot.
wow,. I have an FX3, would this be the same setup with the same lens like you?
Yeah should work as long as you can rotate the lens 90 degrees. So any Pl lens should work
love this! this is the most succinct explanation I have come across of this approach. I wrote out my current setup if anyone is interested! ive been shooting vertical anamorphic *photography* for a bit with an anamorphic adapter because they are more easily rotatable than most lenses and I love it! the original photographic aspect ratio of 3:2 is convenient for the less extreme 1.33x squeeze of the adapter. I am a 6x6 medium format shooter so I love the square-ish look of 3:2.66. Pairing my medium format lenses with a 0.7x focal reducer (aka speedbooster) AND the vertical anamorphic adapter has me close to a medium format feeling on a full frame sensor :) I dont have any monitoring solutions so far but i have gotten alright at composing the squeezed image... and with video I am enjoying the 4:3 image i can get with vertical squeeze and 16:9 horizontal shooting despite those funky vertical flares
You should show what settings you change on the camera for each given scenario
Bro thanks for sharing. I am using the Epic Red Dragon and the color on it is amazing. I just added internal ND and a Global Shutter with the Motion Mount. Powerful
Thanks for watching. Wow I’ve not heard of the motion mount before