@@bokuwatobi_ people that shouting that other people terrible or other slender usually just bunch people projecting themselves so they could be looked as "good" people by society... You know just like how serial killer in fiction usually acting like bringer of justice(well psychopath in real life are like that too). While in reality they love to see people to suffer or worse.
I think people should stop seeking outside value and validation from people like these, they THRIVE on attention and validation, they don't care about the series or to create legitimate discourse on mushoku tensei, all they want it to create drama and they will use buzzwords like "Nazi" or "Sexist", or "Misoginist". Those words have lost their true meaning a LONG time ago. My advice is to not really give these people the time of day, do not give them a platform, treat them like a leave in the wind and eventually they will fade away.
I believe this generally, but let’s be honest here: half the people in this comment section are being sexist and gesturing to the JQ. While I don’t believe much of their critiques, I do think the anime community is toxic and full of legitimately bad people. They should take a page out of Rudy’s book and try to become better people.
@@bokuwatobi_ you mean bad tourist that dont know anything that dont learn respect or anything in life because those fake people exist. Specialy those crazy people that attack all the time.
i know this isekai made all isekai popular but inyuyasha was the first from another world type anime back then my favorite isekai is overlord because its different meaning its from the bad guy point of view while most isekai are the same op male characters with harem :( ( i like mushoku tensei)
@@IDontKnowYouWhoAreYou LN is different than anime and even manga. It is a lot more detailed and spicy with dirty jokes etc. A lot of them are censored/skipped in others.
@@ggoddkkiller1342Novel does more than that as well, being able to get views into Rudeus head at all times, the world building, the way it treats scenes and characters is better. Anime is great at visually doing these things but it doesn’t work all the time and they don’t have the time. Plus the novel also shows how a lot of characters are messed up way more, but also does better when they get moments to be explored such as an argument. Like Paul, anime did the whole scene pretty decent but novel way better. I also feel like the novel has a clear line as to what is actually a joke or not. Anime can be misleading with this IMO
It's not just one of my favorite pieces of literature it's an unhealthy addiction. I went from vol 1 to 22 in 3 months while working 2 jobs. Just couldn't put it down!
If I don’t like something I read or watch, I drop it and move on to the next best thing I can find. I dropped this manga long ago when it wasn’t even as popular and was in the very early arcs. I watched the first season of the anime and I liked it better, but I never cared for subsequent seasons. If you legitimately get mad about fiction to the point where you type out whole essays and post on social media to gain more attention, ironically from people who like what you hate, then you’re just an attention seeking idiot. While I wouldn’t recommend the manga because I personally can’t suspend enough disbelief to be okay with the premise of the story, I’m not the authority on what people like. If you can get past the premise and actually get into it, I’ve heard it’s a good read. It’s really not that deep, you either dislike it or you like it, but don’t try to impose your dislike onto others. [edit: unless it’s objectively something bad]
About time addresses his MENTAL age and not just his physical age. When it comes to growth and behavioral maturity that matters more than the number of years spent alive.
He is mentally in his 40s regardless even if he capped at being a teenager they know enough right and wrong to not do half the shit he pulls in the story. Face it Rudeus is a grown ass man parading around and sexually harassing children 😂
@@yhiz4757Thats the whole point. Reincarnation but past life memories give you identity crisis and baggage. Its like these people completely forget that...THATS THE ACTUAL POINT. Its what makes it interesting.
This 100%. He shut himself in his room at the age of like 15 or 16 and never really interacted with anyone personally even until he died at 34. Of fucking course he's not going to act like a mature, well-adjusted 34 year old - he's going to behave like someone who's still stuck at the mental age of 15-16 and never matured past that, only worsened further by the nearly 2 decades where he isolated himself from the rest of the world.
Funny while walking in Barns and Noble asked a worker where the manga was! She stated she would burn that section and walked away. Zero help finding it and a nasty attitude! Older lady with a massive chip on her shoulder! It’s like a cult without reason just burn the books!
I always find that opinion hilarious. Yeeah its a male power fantasy to struggle with building meaningful relationships and to suffer some of the worst trauma imaginable. Being forced to not be able to communicate your pain and anxieties to anyone and can only live with it alone is something we all wish for.
Actually MANY people who do not like MT are Re:zero fans (like myself) because Subaru actually gets PUNISHED for his toxic behavior. Rudy doesn't, he literally SA Eris and nothing of consequence happen. You can keep coping. But 2nd season points it out more that he grabbed beastgirls to "rape" just to try get a hard on and as usual...NOTHING OF CONSEQUENCE happens. MT is just a disgusting self indulgent life style where you can get away being an absolute disgusting monster.
I've seen people call it a harem show, simply because most of the character (at least earlier on) are female. Such a ridiculous take considering most of those characters aren't even love interests.
@@steveiguana6887 I'd say three women deeply interested in him early on is enough to count as a harem. Though the one he is interested in is a bit debatable how much she returns the feelings. Now you may be confused as to how I got three. but I assure you there is indeed 3.
Nobody made a big hubbub when the church chick wanted to marry the princes like 6 year old kid lmao. Even the folks around were creeped out lmao but Twitter didnt say jack
it hapeen in season 3. they get offended when POV switch side to invader of nazarick. t the issues in here alot of people seems self insert themselves with in the MC
Rudy's story is one of character growth and development, and not microwaved either, it takes literally years/decades for him to overcome the traumas of his past life and become a better person.
@@JayceCH.We don’t know that but we do know for a fact that Rudeus has done no grooming, with Sylphie he even said that he just wanted to protect her, since no one protected him when he was bullied. And that it is too young for both of them for any relationship. (If you see my comment stating this a lot, sorry it’s just an early on thing he mentions around the end of vol. 1, so it is an easy to throw out.) He does get some sorta joking bad thoughts after but then Paul sends him away.
Your reasons are exactly why Mushouku Tensei is needed to be aired in these times. So many people particularly important people who have potential to do great broad things were cancelled and villified by toxic social and mainstream media. Studio Bind and the author may have the same reason as you spoke of.
I find it kind of similar to the haters of Game of thrones, when that was airing for the first seasons . And with the source material being finished for Mushoku tensei, hopefully it won't be butchered like that series.
Throwing buzzwords after buzzwords just to really paint the subject as really evil. The supposed evil show is not radicalizing people, these kind of people are
People when the MC have character development that develops throughout the story instead of being perfect from the start or instantly becomes a perfect person after just one arc:
@@ChibiReviews What he meant was, they don't apply that belief to every piece of fiction. In this case, the guy who made those tweets is a hypocrite because he likes Araagi and Berserk.
@@ChibiReviews the person who started the whole thing is a monogatari and 7DS fans ... if you're gonna hate on something because of moral issues, at least be consistent brother.
I hate "Rent-A-Girlfriend". Never watched the anime, but I have friends who watch the anime, and it's exactly as I thought it was. The main character is pure shit in my opinion. But I'll never tell people not to watch the anime, or hate the people who do.
I’m under the belief that you can watch the show but at the same time I do think that better entertainment is out there. You can talk about how Rudeus “gets better” but if the story doesn’t convince me of that but more of just him learning self control instead of actual growth to how he approaches things, I just don’t think it’s that great. You can make flawed characters and plenty of stories have done that but with Rudeus there’s nothing there that has shown me he’s truly changed. I watched the first season with every episode being hard to watch and then season 2 I was told “he gets better” and I still see the fucker worshipping minor’s panties…to me that simply broke my patience. The dude was more worried about a broken dick over the mission of finding the rest of his family and even takes time to worship some depraved shit, but I’m supposed to think he’s changed simply because he pushes people away or does a workout. I ended up spoiling myself later down the line and the fact he does what he does later in the story just proves to me that nothing has truly changed other than him becoming more like the timeline he’s in. He lived in a far future with an understanding of what the right thing to do is and he just has his bad traits reinforced by this new setting and there’s nothing to really challenge it to make him truly change. I know this has been a long rant but I just don’t get how this show is supposed to be so good when I immediately fell in love with anime like Overlord, Saga of Tanya the Evil, etc. where the protagonist in those stories aren’t exactly good either, yet I feel way more for them because they express their reasons and are more understandable to root for than Jobless. Maybe I’m just crazy but that’s how I see it
It shows to me that you didn't read the story as he hate the fact of thinking that any of his kid will be like him ,also the pants thing is now a big part of his life
@@danchiziofficial2159 he could change that and become something that his kids could grow up to be instead of wallowing in self pity. It just proves he didn’t change especially if panties become a big part of his life. Even someone like me is always trying to change for the better no matter how hard it is because I could never have a child without setting the example of what I want them to be. Of course I’d want them to make better choices but I also understand that as long as I show them what right looks like then I’ve done my job to show them what to strive to be. It’s an excuse to stay shitty and then just say “I’d hate my future kids to see me this way”
I will never understand why people cannot understand that you can read a story, without agreeing with every single thing that is said or done in the story. I have never read or watched Jobless Reincarnation, but I would never label someone as horrible (or worse) just because they like this series. There are some series that I absolutely love and have had a good impact on me, and even though that is true - I don’t agree with everything shown in those stories. But you know what? That’s okay. I can still love those stories without 100% agreeing or loving everything that is shown in them. People need to focus more on things that they like, instead of spreading anger/insults, over a fictional story.
@@animeuploader4992Mhm. Because you clearly dont fish/bait people for those responses right? You arent these trolls who instigate? Like...every single one of you people who "hate" people are the ones instigating them? Wheres your self awareness? 😂
This guy doesn't even deserve to get his name censored, you know he would never do that if the sides were reversed. He feels so high and mighty on his self perceived moral high ground that it doesn't even OCCUR to him, that there might be flaws in his reasoning. Let alone that he might be needlessly offensive towards ppl who just wanna enjoy things. Don't let yourself get riled up by people like him. Your positive nature is a thorn in this pessimistic guy's life so he lashes out. Keep being you and spreading the joy of entertainment, he can keep being him and make everyone but his small bubble throw him a quick side-eye and go on with their days, happier than his probably is.
@@justanotherguy.I can’t understand why people dislike the show, I think the people that do are the BIGGEST losers on the face of the earth. They’re all puritans and should be avoided like the plague.
You know, there's always the option of not liking the show while respecting the opinion of others that like it. But Twitter being Twitter I guess...Recently, I've noticed that there's been an increase with those anime tourists that just complain that the content are not suited for them before jumping to another community.
@PICKLE032 I'm not trying to change the subject though. I'm just pointing out that trying to police people's thoughts is idiotic no matter the subject.
Loving and hating are rights in opinion. Separating fantasy from reality is good for mental health. Anime is already popular that the medium never needs to be American.
I must be a terrible person... eh *shrugs* Edit: please everyone realize that these types of people just say random brain rot shit for attention because they have nothing else better to do. They use these big words to sound important.
If this show never got an anime and stayed a light novel people wouldn't have cared. Since being animated some can't separate a work of fiction from reality. If the stuff in the show makes you uncomfortable it's ok to feel those things, what's not ok is bullying others for enjoying or defending a show.
People expected Rudeus to suffer and die as punishment for his earlier behavior. These are the same people who believe prison sentence should always be execution, when the whole point of prison is rehabilitation. They are physically unable to comprehend that someone can "grow out" of their flaws. That's how life works, you do a lot of stupid shit when you're immature and eventually grow up (hopefully).
What past behaviour exactly? I keep seeing people saying “Rudys early behaviour”, what exactly are they talking about? Because I see absolutely nothing whatsoever that’s a problem. Stealing a pair of panties? Peeping on the ladies? Are these people seriously saying these are irredeemable crimes? These people are puritans.
No PEOPLE EXPECT a strain in a relationship at BARE MINIMUM. Not Eris before her department being like 'OMG YOUR MY HERO YOUR SO AMAZING, IM NOT WORTHY OF YOU AT ALL I HAVE TO LEAVE AND BETTER MYSELF TO BE WORTHY OF YOU!" after nearly being SA multiple times.
@@peppermint3808 Incorrect timing. That is after Eris realized she had seduced and become reliant on a minor. Oh you are one of those people who don't know that Eris also took Rudy's underpants so she could sniff them! Eris isn't some delicate flower who needs your protection. She didn't need to go tattle on Rudy, she was his employer. She could have fired him anytime she wanted. She just handled things herself, her way. Even in the alternate timeline she was the same way with Luke's advances. She just likes guys who are persistent and can accept her violent nature. Why do those who take your stance never address the fact that Eris violated Rudy's person first being violent for no reason, when they first met! Because violence against men and boys is funny? Expected? If you don't understand how and why Eris grew attached and attracted to Rudues and you aren't just a troll and are open to learning go watch the Psyculturists reaction to those episodes.
Rudeus doesn’t grow out of his flaws though, that’s the problem. The narrative treats him as if he’s a better person now when he isn’t. He’s still a creep around women especially children well into the series. The moments become less common because he interacts with children less as he grows up, but they’re still there. He never has a moment where he realizes that his actions were wrong or is confronted by the harm he caused, even in his new life. I love when characters confront their dark sides and try to move past them, even characters who relapse back into them. But shows that handle that topic well always make sure to present their horrible actions as horrible, and not let their characters forget that. Just look at Bojack Horseman for a great example of that. He also almost sexually assaults a minor but the show always presents this action as a bad thing and a mistake that he’ll have to live with for the rest of the his life. Even so, you still want him to improve himself and become a better person and be happy as well. But you only feel that way because Bojack knows his actions were wrong and more importantly the story knows his actions were wrong. Neither Rudeus nor the story ever portray his creepy moments with children as harmful, and you can’t solve a problem if you never recognize that you have one in the first place.
0:14 when I see posts like these I laugh, click on the 3 dots than "see less posts like these", and go about my day. I feel a little more proud of myself even knowing realizing that I am more mature than a LOT more people that I thought.
I won't judge anyone. I'll simply say I didn't feel comfortable AT ALL watching this. Too many borderline sex scenes involving children either listening, watching it, or attempting it. I stopped after watching the protagonist (physically 10 years old) in bed with a 12 year ild. That's just too creepy for me.
thats good. thats the point of the scene. to show how terrible that specific scene is. i mean…why else do we have an entire arc of him having ED as a punishment for it. you know damn well if he didnt have sex with Eris he wouldnt get the ED EVEN IF she left for her training arc. something that barely anyone talks about is how Rudeus IS A TERRIBLE PERSON. he is a 40 years old hikikomori, not contributing to society, a porn addict, peak pervert, get offended by his friend too easily that he assaults him, and more. HE IS A LOWLIFE the show is about him getting rid of these traits one by one. its him trying to be a better person. - he gets rid of the hikikomori stuff the moment he leaves the house. - he sees himself in paul when they reunites and tries to fix that as well. - he contributes to society the when he offers to do a job for sylphy in season 1 (and all his adventuring) - he cares other people offering help with Nanahoshi, Cliff, and more and not to get into the specifics he will eventully stop oggling at women’s breast at a certain point. people are quick to judge him never recovering from that trait just because of the wiki saying he has 3 wifes. the ONLY WIFE where he naturally fall in love, develop relationship and marrying without major issue IS SYLPHY. he even rejects the 2 beastgirl (Linea, Pursena) when man god himself gave them to Rudy as a wife just because he wants to be loyal to Sylphy. the other 2 ties to specific circumtances. Im not getting into why Roxy became his wife since its too spoilery because it involves a certain person’s death. he originally are about to reject Eris’s proposal if it isnt because of a certain horrifying event that made him discuss it with Sylphy and Roxy to prevent “something” from happening (honestly felt bad for Eris when Rudeus say “i cant love you like i love Sylphy and Roxy. do you still want to do this?”)
@@TheKnightCrafter123The person above meant the birthday scene, y’know where Rudeus jumps the gun and uh, gets beaten up, then she makes that promise. Which Rudeus values and blah blah blah That scene, unless you are just bring up later stuff for some reason?
Damn. I have been pushing off watching this show because of time I don't have... but now after these "special" folks on Twitter, I think I am gonna start watching it. Thanks, Twitter! Glad you pushed me to watch it even more!
This is a fictional story with fictional characters that has nothing to do with reality...A story should be told with the authors imagination and the human imaginations has no limites and you shouldn't put limites on it or else you'd get a boring dry ass story. It's so funny that peoples goes crazy of this stuff while murder/genocides is a far worst thing, but i don't see anyone being offended by that (it's the opposite, peoples get excited seeing someone get killed)
True that and also even if they rebutt that by saying it's not shown in a joking manner like sexual assault.thing is even if torture and killing was shown with comedy these people would not have the same problem but when it comes to sexual assault?.no no that's so bad.hypocrisy at it's finest for sure!!
@@Xenor999Interesting thing is how you can take the sexual assault or whatever being comedy and turn it upside down because the normal response is that it makes there not be any punishment for what is done (not gonna really get into this.) And has no consequences almost as if it never existed. But using that, couldn’t you then say that it didn’t exist? Just ignore it or even say it didn’t happen? But if you acknowledge it does exist then stuff like, being punched for comedy also exists. Clearly showing that it is bad, even if with comedy. One can’t say that the show does one certain thing then ignore the other thing. Agh, fuck, I have what I want to say in clear words but I am tired and mixing words up. If you respond, I’ll elaborate more.
These kind of people always fear the things they don't understand. Rudeus for all intents and purposes due to extreme bullying in his past life resulted in him suffering and shutting himself off from the outside world which for all intents and purposes halted his development into becoming a proper adult. Hell worse he might have regressed in that time of isolation to protect himself. The brain does incredible things to stop you feeling stressed. These people always live in a bubble and often suffer a lack of empathy or understanding. Rudeus isn't a perfect human (but in all likelihood he'll become a far better person than some of people ever will be) and yes his behaviour at times is wrong, no-one defends that but EVERYONE deserves a chance to become a better person and that is what this story is about. Can a person given a second chance become better than they were? Hell we see it in the show. He is by far a better person already than what he was. People make truly bad mistakes in life and Rudeus suffers through his character development. He gets outright killed, injured, imprisoned, loses his family across an entire world, He find Eris walking away from him with no idea why and so on BUT he has also saved lives, shown compassion, reconnected with family and friends and forgiven grievances and so on. He is BY far a better person than most of X. When's the last time they helped anyone?
So...I'm probably going to regret typing this up if anyone reads it, but...I agree with some of what was said in the post being covered here. Now, for clarification, I don't think watching or reading Mushoku Tensei makes you any different than anyone else. Sure, there are probably bad people who read and watch it, but there are also bad people who don't, I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with consuming the series. With that out of the way...I do agree that Mushoku Tensei is a story that "actively minimizes & makes excuses for genuine blank & blank" (UA-cam will eviscerate this comment if I spell most of these words out, so just bare with me here). I think it's a little silly to pretend that Mushoku Tensei doesn't trivialize many of the awful things that are done to women in the series and sometimes outright portrays awful things as being of no big deal. The key thing to note, is that a lot of the time these awful things are not treated with the severity they ought to be from the author. If a character is an atrocious person, that's fine, that's the character, yet, Mushoku Tensei does often present awful things done to women as...not that bad or even good. The post being covered here takes the criticism too far to even be considered reasonable (which is part of why I'm typing this, because I think there is validity to it), but when the poster says that Mushoku Tensei is a power-fantasy in a world where men are able to do whatever they want to women, largely without any repercussion, that's accurate. If you enjoy that type of story, that's fine, and I wouldn't let that change my perception of you as a person if I knew you. Still, as a story, Mushoku Tensei relishes getting to tell a story about awful men who do awful things and get rewarded for it, which is fine, I mean who doesn't like the occasional story where bad people get to live free and do as they like. But, Mushoku Tensei is also a story where the author doesn't seem to have a problem with how the male characters treat women and girls, which I think can be inferred based on how the story very rarely shows the women and girls in its world having any substantial criticisms or issues with the awful things men do and get rewarded for. Put simply, that's not how most writers would choose to portray characters they think negatively of, because it doesn't say anything bad about them, and in many ways actually says a lot of good. I'm starting to ramble and I think I've gotten my point across. Myself and many people do not like this series and think poorly of how it handles some very sensitive topics that the author often feels too immature to cover with the care they should be. Yet, that doesn't mean we have anything against the people who read or watch the series and enjoy it. The individual responsible for the post being covered in this video is more than a little unreasonable and made some absurd and unfair accusations, that's something I made clear from the start and maintain at the end. Hopefully this rambling fool was able to make sense of the people who have valid complaints of Mushoku Tensei and view it as problematic, without disrespecting or demeaning those who are the overwhelmingly vast majority, the people who enjoy it honestly and don't take its more troubling aspects beyond the page and screen.
It's easy to see how people might not want to read/watch it because of its contents & the presentation of them, but there is absolutely no "should" in an artistic work. The story is told primarily through the eyes of one character, the books are mostly written in his voice, and he's not a nice person or a mature one. As far as I can remember, at no point is the story told in the author's voice, just those of the characters. If you're trying to infer the views of the author from the story, well, people who do bad things to women and girls, including the main character, are seriously beaten and others are killed, frequently by women and girls. The very first part of the story describes how the maid thinks Rudius is so disgusting he must have been possessed by a demon; the plot of another part is driven by the terrible opinion his half sister has of him; his behaviour is frequently disparaged & punished. Finally, I don't recall any point where anybody is rewarded for their bad behaviour - get away with, sure, but not quid pro quo rewarded.
@@SimonRGates I think a few things need to be clarified here. Firstly, I'll admit my lack of knowledge on the light novels, I only know the bulk of the series from its anime, I included "read" in the original comment because I figured including the whole of the series would be best. Regardless, I don't think the POV the author used matters all that much. In my opinion, a good author can do a lot to criticize their POV character's worst attributes without using their authorial voice. It's pretty simple, as an author, have other characters doing the critique for you, or write your character into a situation where they have to deal with consequences or negative repercussions. These are simple, effective ways to handle the very serious subject matter in Mushoku Tensei and other stories like it. Now, once again, I'll admit that I don't know if he does this in the light novels or not, but I have yet to see this kind of nuanced criticism of his characters in any real way in the anime. To be honest, he wouldn't even have to try very hard, I'm not asking a lot, but I could ask even less. A series like Berserk critiques its world very effectively by doing one simple thing, treating the victims as real people, with realistic reactions and responses to awful things done to them. Mushoku Tensei doesn't do that as far as I can tell. Rudy at best frequently gets rewarded for his worst attributes and at worst simply doesn't face repercussions. Moreover, the story actually does the opposite of what I'm talking about above and instead of using other characters to critique the protagonist, actually shows other men not suffering appropriate consequences for their actions against women. I don't think I need the author's voice to infer much of his perspective on this story. I'm not saying that his real-world beliefs are represented in the series, that would be silly, all I'm saying is that he seems to be okay with portraying very problematic ideas and themes without having anything of substance to say within the work as it relates to said problematic ideas and themes. It feels lazy and shallow to me, is all.
@@sparksdog8111 Take out the fantasy elements, and you don't have to go very far in space or time to find places where the world of MT is the norm. Only, for the most part the real world is worse. Aristocrats in this sort of setting suffer no consequences for their mistreatment of others (see: the whole of Europe until the 1900s, hell, see Michael Jackson). The consequences, or lack of, are entirely appropriate for the setting. Again, I can't recall Rudius ever being rewarded for bad behaviour. Rudius is criticized by other characters - the books make a big thing of it and the anime does in bits as well, but that criticism is from their moral perspective not that of the audience. Much of the story missing from the anime is the perspective of the other characters, it mostly follows Rudius' voice, so that probably doesn't come across so much. I'm not going to claim that MT is a great work of art, but the themes it does explore are fairly well done, there is believable character growth, and even the power fantasy is predicated on constant hard work rather than dropped in the characters laps. It's character lead, it's about the effect of trauma on people, how fear and loss and doubt makes them behave. But it's not a modern critique of a pre-industrial, feudal-adjacent society.
My favorite bit is the fact, this is set during medieval times, but people use modern day logic to say it's bad. I get the fact this man is in theory, 40+, but he's reborn as a kid once more. His life is starting from scratch, aside from having a minor advantage of experiences. Besides, this is about a guy making wrongs from his past right in his current life. Character development doesn't happen after a night of sleep. That's a long term goal for long term results. PS. Y'all should see IFunny for this shit
Plus keep in mind, there's no debate regarding isekai. I mean, literally no debate because reincarnation doesn't exist in real life. So applying whatever logic or points over a fictional genre with real life scenario is simply delusional.
I think that’s the point. He may have been reborn but he still had the prior 30 years of experience. His body maybe 15 or whatever but he’s mentally like 45 now. He knows what he’s doing is creepy and weird that’s the problem. This is why season 1 was better because it had other things to focus on. But now it’s at the forefront of the show. That’s why it’s been so hard to watch personally.
@@zachrohler1047 But Sylphy and Eris don't know Rudy has been reincarnated and is 30+ years old. Would you think they would sleep with him if he told them he was 40+ years old? I think they would vomit lol
@@MegatronDon7 If he was 30 in his past life, then I would argue he is still mentally 30. He hasn't lived long enough for his mind to physically develop past that point, even if he does have more experience than his age would suggest. As he gets older, the line between Rudeus and his old self slowly disappears until all you're left with is Rudy. Eventually you stop thinking of Rudeus as "that creepy, 30 year-old reincarnated shut-in" and more as a "still somewhat creepy, 15 year-old kid learning to be a better person." That said, I do still agree that it was kinda weird at first to see the romance elements of the show considering his mental age. But considering romantic attraction is also reliant upon our physical development it makes sense that the now 15 or so Rudeus would be attracted to people around the same age as himself. Completely understandable if some people can't look past the mental age thing, I know it took me a while to, but I think that element of his character makes sense and isn't nearly as disgusting as it was in early season 1.
Oh hey I responded to this guy saying "Well what would have Rudy do then, date girls his physical age or mental age" and he kept spouting shit instead of responding to the question. Can't have the first one according to him but you also can't have the second one because it would make the woman the weird one, so does he just have to go without love for the rest of his life then? Homie got stun locked and couldn't answer
To answer your question he should date people he didn't groom since childhood so no sylphy or eris and are at least 18 bare minimum like a reasonable adult. If Rudeus has too wait till he's a legal adult,18, to hit on them to not be creepy then so be it ya acting as if him aiming for people who are legal is impossible.
@@liberleo1384adult is 15 in most of MT world. Groom? Bro, he did no such thing, plus later on they do worse things to him and Eris has even done terrible things to him already. Anime didn’t cover all of it, I don’t think. Sylphie around the end of vol. 1 before he got whisked off, aka dad FUCKING KNOCKS HIS 7 YR OLD KID OUT, but before that Rudeus had talked about how he didn’t wanna relationship with Sylphie while they are both young, he would rather protect her because no one protected him from being bullied. With Eris, there is no grooming there, after they got teleported Rudeus put her on a pedestal, didn’t do anything to her and was tryna get her back home. While she did stuff to him the whole time, and even the first time they met. But by your question, if you wanna be technical he did wait until legal age, Eris forced herself on him ofc, then left a message that Rudeus interpreted as, “your weak bye, get stronger.” Rather than, “I am not as strong as you, I need to get stronger. I realize I had been relying on someone way physically weaker and younger than me.” Sylphie he would have never had the chance to groom, pretty sure he knew her for maybe 2 years, or 1 years and a half. Eris he knew for 3 years up until the teleportation incident I believe, then they traveled back home for 2 years until she left ofc In those three years, Eris mostly does whatever the fuck she wants, she tones it down but still. Eris has the least boundaries on consent and it makes sense given how nobility is and her family for example. Rudeus early on is terrible at it as well but don’t act like Eris isn’t her own person, she did not get groomed, she did fall in love with him though.
@bravosix2960 Their world believes in slavery do you really think they are the best example of ethics? Rudeus is from earth he understands our right and wrong and knows how unethical his actions are hence why he questions then before doing it anyway. Also sylphy was definitely groomed and taken advantage of rudeus in vol 9 - "Were her feelings for me just some lingering trace of my attempts to brainwash her as a kid?" Also Rudeus in vol 1 "That does it. Ive decided! Ill make her into my perfect girl!" Which he immediately followed by flirting with her throughout their childhood relationship a poor man's attempt is still an attempt and it payed off considering how he slept with her when she was a teenager. Eris may be 15 sure but again Rudeus is 40 and from earth he should be placed on a higher standard cause he's from modern day society not a backwards society and despite that he still tries to sexually assault her in her sleep by trying to cop a feel of someone who he's known since she was what 10. Eris initiated sure but forced is an exaggeration when first of all he has magic and second he reciprocated not rejecting her advances man felt like he was on top of the world before he found out she left that's not someone who's been SA'd that's a man who gave a second to think maybe sleeping with a 15 year old is wrong and does it anyway and had the time of his life. If a student comes up to a teacher and ask him to sleep with her then he says no she says please then he goes "oh ok" then do we say he was SA'd or do we call him a PDF cause considering how Rudeus was her teacher that's pretty much what happened. Eris might be the one who initiated the advances before sleeping together but Rudeus made constant advances towards her as well beforehand more often then not sexually and did agree to sleeping with her that was his choice as a 40 year old man to sleep with the 15 year old girl just because she asked please continue to defend his actions cause honestly your not looking good here.
Eris and rudy are basically the same as aqua and ruby Both are blood related MT: 2nd cousins ONK: blood related siblings One is mentally double or more then the age of the other MT: Rudeus is like 40 something ONK:aqua is mentally in his like late 20s or early 30s They both physically are near each others age Mt: Rudeus is like 13 and I think Eris is 15 ONK: twins
yep, and the only issues people have with Aqua and Ruby is the incest part (which, y'know, is a reasonable issue to have) and maybe their feelings towards each other in their past life (assuming those people think it was anything more than trying to give a dying girl hope and something to live for). I really like how Oshi no Ko tackles Aqua's psychology regarding the merging of his past identity with his new one. The line between the two blurs as he gets older and his physical age catches up to his mental age. He's not Gorou Amamiya living a new life as Aqua, he's Aqua Hoshino with memories of his previous life as Gorou. The same is likely occurring with Rudeus, it's just not said outright because that's never the focus and it isn't relevant to the plot.
lets think about this now, they said mushoku is wrong because mind is matter more than a body, turn out they still mad when the body itself is problematic like ONK, this is proof that even if rifujin make rudy lustful to 30/40 yo lady they still gonna mad about it.
@@randomperson8375I agree with this and if the author actually focused on this aspect instead of the garbage mystery drama then ONK could've been legit story. Now that I look back on it, this was the exact reason why I dropped it bc they didn't brother explaining anything about Aqua or anything with the reincarnation plot
People just can't accept people being flawed even in fiction. Its a story about an absolute scum of a person earnestly trying to be better. A flawed character that continues to develop throughout the series a well written main character. His whole shtick doesn't rely on being cool and overpowered alone, he actually has depth. The world of MT enhances that. It is not the modern world, it has different set of morals, values etc. due to the circumstances around them. The main character and other characters then interact in an oragnic manner in a dynamic world. People apparantly don't like that. They want everything to be tailored to what they see is right or acceptable. They don't care if it is well written or not. What they care is if it makes them feel good about themselves after watching/reading it. THAT is their entertainment.
I love mushoku tensei as a whole but hate the sexualization of kids as it makes me incredibly uncomfortable. If someone's into anime kids tho imo they're pretty fucked in the head, it's not considered pedophilia by law but it's VERY concerning (especially considering how often that group loves to guilt trip people who criticize them + more)
Ok listen to me if you can, what they are saying may seem absurd, because it is but there are layers of truths in it. These people on Twitter cannot deal with these taboos, and end up confusing terms and even creating terms to repudiate certain acts such as pedophilia and racism that coexist in various genres of entertainment. Mushoku Tensei has serious problems with how the writter deals with Rudeus and his distorted instincts in his new life, the story shows that his acts in early life is something that makes him a deplorable person However, at the same time both in anime and the manga/Light novel (which, by the way, has much more questionable things) They tend to satirize, soften and not punish libidinous acts, Turning abuse scenarios into comedy in his NEW life, this is so much wrong and worse due to Rudeus's mental age being of an older man, Rudeus does not pay his actions with the same coin, in the author's writing. Now comes the famous phrase "It's just fiction" so... you are saying that fiction is something separate from reality maybe even worse, the morally bad issues of our reality gain less importance because they are mixed into a form of escapism that manifests itself in books, anime, games and films?! If you believe this, then why do authors build their worlds with ethical, behavioral and psychological problems in a fictional world? Fiction is the greatest form of message since ancient Greece, tales, legends, fables, THEY SERVE TO PASS MESSAGES AND QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR WORLD.
Would you say the same if people treated killing and genocide as a comedy because iam sure many of these Twitter people would not have the same problem with that.maybe you are the same type of femcentric person??.
@@Xenor999 Comparing problem A with problem B is not the Question and does not even add to this debate, I am mentioning problem A that is Mushoku Tensei writing, the Twitter haters are part of the problem,as I said and not part of the solution, But that doesn't take away their moral reason on this topic. The problem is how they approach it, I'm not a saint, because I was once the one I'm criticizing now.
@@danielleonsantosfreitas1180again it friction you can go in a story supporting the bad guy who kiss thousands of people or you can go in supporting a good guy ,it does not change your morality because it's still friction and it's not meant to be taken seriously
@@Xenor999 And you naturally know that violence is bad, but it is entertaining, genocide is also something common unfortunately in the reality of society, pedophilia is not something worse or less worse that violence and genocide but it is a more subtle line of reasoning and can be disguised, violence in shonen conveys messages of overcoming and willpower directly through blows and powers. You think it's fun but But you know that in reality there is no Kamehameha, Rasengan, super strength, delicate issues such as pedophilia, Abuse, require MUCH more care, as semiotics can send dangerous messages and harmful.
@@danchiziofficial2159 What if the bad guy looks like you or The good guy? Fiction characters are written with bases of Author's world view, they can be caricatures, parodies, representations of REALITY, Just as dilemmas come from the social and cultural repertoire of the authors, a comedy work has the structure of comedy, but everything is a caricatured and comical representation of reality, you can be a good guy and understand that it is just fiction but the world is big, very Many minds, many ideologies, always require good writing, especially on problematic topics, if you were to create a story what would it be about?
Twitter is living proof that some people go though life only seeing the bad side of things. The entire point of Rudy’s journey is for him to grow as a person and become better than he was in his previous life. Instead of appreciating that journey we have clowns like this trynna bring a brother down any chance they get 😑
@@peppermint3808listen I want to tell you this now that this is a frictional show do not question someone's morality based on what they f******watch people love Killers and rapest in anime but that doesn't mean their bad because it fake and it's not meant to be taken seriously like wtf
I completely agree that these people are weird and there's never any reason to shame somebody for enjoying a series. The K-pop star Made in Abyss incident comes to mind lol. But on the flipside I think MT fans take their series way too seriously and they really don't do themselves any favours by how aggressively they try to defend it. Like I really don't like Mushoku Tensei because I just really don't like Rudy or any of the sexual elements. I really do believe it would be a better series without it. But I gave it a fair shot, I watched all of season 1 and decided I didn't like it. But what really ticks me off is MT fanboys will scream at me that I just didn't understand the show or the characters and if I did there's no way I would complain about any of it. So can't we just all cool our engines and get along?
I think the most that I'm surprised on when someone shits on the show is about Rudy and his Ed, I mean that's really no joke for dudes that go through with that, and then ones that were shiting on him the most was actually male audiences you would think they would be more sympathetic towards Rudy since you know guys would understand what other guys are going through but apparently not.
Bro I'm not going to be sympathetic to a guy a view as scum it's like saying tge sex offenders loss everything in life so we should be sympathetic to him
Because most guys aren't sex offenders, Rudeus is everything men don't want to be seen as even if some struggles may be relatable he is no where near the type of person anyone would want to associate with in real life.
Tbh, i also hate the aspects MT decides to put its focus on and i personaly can't stand Rudeus as a character, but this person at the start doesn't seem to be able to draw a line between fiction and reality.
this is actually hilarious. I have watched a lot of anime, read a lot of light novels and manga, played many visual novels over the decades. mushoku tensei is WAY up there with the story writing and character development. these tourists are a joke.
Neo Nazi sounds cool, like a futuristic terrorist terminator type thing, I don’t know I just never took it seriously and it does have a certain ring to it “The Neo Nazi”, sounds kinda badass ngl “Neo Nazi chronicles” “Tales of the Neo Nazi” Alt-right is another cool sounding one too, like an evil organization manipulating everything from the shadows, like SERN if you know where I’m coming from Maybe I’m just weird
Here we are as readers and anime watchers enjoying great stories while people tell us to live in reality, but at the same time those same people who take fictional characters seriously are the ones who need to tell the difference between fiction and reality
Funny thing is MT made me realize that I was piece shit to the point I actually turned my life around that’s why I concidee it to be the greatest story ever told
You aren't a terrible person if you like Mushoku Tensei. You are a terrible person if you think Rudeus Greyrat is a good person, even at the end of his arc. He's crap all the way through, he just develops more confidence and social skills. It's fine to enjoy the story, as long as you understand that Rudy never becomes a good person. If you think otherwise, you are taking his moral failings onto yourself.
Lol You missed the whole point of Moshuko Tensei. It was always about second chances in life. Old perverted Rudy is dead and the new Rudy is growing to have a normal life having wife, children and things he never experienced before on his previous lifetime. Why so salty if a person like Rudy deserves a new life?? People just reeks insecurity.
@@naknampucha5236 I actually agree with you about MT being about getting a second chance to get what he wanted. But many viewers think that he wanted to become a good person and achieved it. He didn't want that, nor did he become that. He got the love and respect he had craved, but didn't really deserve them.
@@ralphyoung6032 i agree with you. If you look at it with a moral compass, Rudeus 100% doesnt deserve the shit he gets in his second life due to his actions in his past life. But this show isnt about justifying Rudeus's actions nor "redeeming" him in the sense of being a typical goody shoes. Rudeus doesnt have a heroic objective to his second life, unlike most MCs in the genre. This show is about how people CAN change, no matter how bad they were, and its showecased by other characters in the show too (e.g Paul, Zanoba, Pax, etc). Wether you forgive their past actions comes back to each person.
If you don't like some fictional story because of its controversial topics and can't enjoy it, it's fine. You can stop watching it. But don't judge the people in real life just because they enjoy that fictional story. It's that simple.
The pedophilia things is always strange to me. There are plenty of stories where someone is reincarnated with past life memories, and the romances they indulge in are never shamed. I also can't count how many immortal vampire romances I've found where the main male protagonist is hundreds of years the females elder. I think the only thing that makes Mushoku Tensei more talked about is the perversion or ecchi. I was under the impression that was an open character flaw that they address and use to build his character into a better person though. ...
Maybe, I mean maybe…. it’s because of Rudy having sex with a minor? And his inner older voice monologue definitely doesn’t help in people forgetting the fact that he is a pathetic 30 year old.
People keep talking about how he gets rewarded for his awful behavior, like dude where in the show does that happen? Almost every time he’s perverted people look at him and treat him like a weirdo or he gets punched out by Eris. There’s one scene where he realizes he fucked up and begs Eris to forgive him, then when she reluctantly does he’s all the more grateful that she did. The characters and the audience all know that Rudeus’ behavior is bad and how he grows out of that is literally part of his character development. Then when it came to anything sexual actually happening to him he was almost never the one who initiated it. I mean shit if you think Rudeus is bad just see what Eris does to him later on in the light novel… Mushoku Tensei isn’t an “incel power fantasy”, it’s more of a “incel goes through hardship and struggles so he can be rehabilitated into society as a respectable person fantasy”
Reminder about that one moment, though. Rudeus fucked up on his 10th birthday with his actions towards Eris by being too hands on and he apologizes on his knees. That was actually the moment where Eris started to fall for him, as it was the moment she realized he was more that just some pervert, since he just realized his mistake. That's why before she went to her room that night, she made a promise with him to pick up where they just left off on his 15th birthday (then she pushed herself on him a little over 2 years early). This is the only time he's really "rewarded" for his perverted behavior (I don't count him being horny af after marriage unless he DOES something) and it's because he appropriately backpedaled. Also, Eris started sniffing Rudeus' underwear around the time they were in Wind Port because she caught Rudeus doing it to hers and brought it up in a party meeting with Ruijerd, revoking Rudeus' laundry duty. So it's not even things Eris does later in the LN, she's already done some things (though you could argue she did it out of curiosity after seeing Rudeus do it). Some people can't separate the enjoyment of fictional media from people's desires in life and that's infinitely more disgusting than liking a show that follows a character like Rudeus. At the same time, a lot of the same people don't have the media literacy to parse through secondhand information accurately and don't bother to even figure it our for themselves. I doubt those people can understand the subtext, anyways.
You know what this gives me a vibe of? People who have neither had any sort of meaningful relationship with anyone and hate anyone or anything that reminds them of the fact that they didn't.
Yet none of this controversy surrounds Breaking Bad who's main character kills countless people as well directly causing the death of his own family members and abuses and emotionally blackmails his wife into being complicit in his actions. The only reason he gets a pass and Rudeus doesn't is because of the sexual nature of his character flaws and the perceived sexual agenda of the author for certain story elements(Note I said *PERCIEVED* sexual agenda). Stories about characters who are flawed are more interesting than those without. Watching characters make wrong or morally questionable choices and then having to deal with the consequences is where these shows derive a lot of their tension. Just because Rudeus's flaws are sexual in nature makes it feel gross to a lot of people, which is perfectly fine, but that does not mean you can say I'm a bad person for enjoying the show because then that same logic can be applied for people who like Breaking Bad, which isn't exactly few in number. Me enjoying the show doesn't mean I agree with the character's actions, and me not agreeing with the characters actions doesn't mean I dislike the author for writing it that way or that I believe the author has some sort of weird fantasy where he wishes he was the main character. Fucking get over yourselves and let me enjoy my media. Also, side note: Another reason this gets a lot of hate is because Isekai has a reputation for being a self insert fantasy, so when a show like this comes out where the main character has sexual desires surrounding underaged girls, people automatically assume that the people who watch it only watch it to self insert simply because it is an Isekai and therefore, everyone who watches it fantasies about having sexual relationships with young girls. To these people I say: What the fuck are you smoking and where can I get some because that seems like a really good high with how far up your own ass you are. I know this is gonna sound crazy, but bear with me here: THIS IS NOT A SELF INSERT FANTASY. I know, I know, it may seem hard to believe considering it has all the basic elements like how the main character gets to leave his sad pathetic life behind, and then become someone new where he's now super strong, but you're missing a few key details: 1: Despite his new "Magic Prodigy" status, he his STILL just as sad and pathetic as he was in his previous life despite how much he wants to convince himself he's not. 2: Rudeus's previous life isn't forgotten about, it continuously comes to haunt him and it takes actual effort for him to overcome his past trauma. 3: THE STORY ACTIVELY SHAMES RUDEUS'S ACTIONS AND MINDSET, LIKE HOW THE HELL CAN YOU THINK THIS IS GLORIFYING ANYTHING HE DOES???? When he first tries to have sex with Eris, she beats him and it almost ruins their relationship, he literally has an internal monologue wondering how he could be so stupid and try to do something so horrible to her, and finally when he DOES do it later in the story when they both thought they were ready, the author very explicitly shows that this was a bad choice through its consequences. IT LITERALLY GIVES HIM ED FROM THE TRAUMA THAT TAKES YEARS TO CURE. Heck, it almost causes him to commit die(I know this is pretty silly phrasing, but this comment will get flagged if I say anything more explicit). Every time he does something explicitly wrong due to his previous perspective of how sex works, it has massive ramifications to show him why his previous mind set was wrong. This story isn't some power fantasy for you to project yourself into, it's a story about a guy with messed up world views given a second chance learning why those world views are wrong and why he needs to use this second chance to change, and I not only think that makes an interesting story, but is also actually pretty inspiring. I may not directly relate to Rudeus's world views, but I can relate to having done something wrong that I didn't initially realize was wrong and coming to regret it later. I guess in a weird way, that does make this a self insert, not because the main character gets to live his life the way he wants or doesn't have to work hard, but one the main character gets a second chance to work hard at becoming a better person. Last short little side note: Explanation point made a video about why he doesn't like Mushoku Tensei and that's perfectly ok, most of his points are valid, but there is one argument I'd like to correct. He says something along the lines of "It's ok to have a flawed main character, but when every single argument for the show starts with 'he gets better I swear,' then you've gone too far." I'd like to say that my argument for why the show is good isn't that "the main character doesn't stay a bad person forever," my argument is that "the main character learning to not be a bad person is the whole point of the show." The show shows Rudeus as a completely awful person with a horrible mindset so you can appreciate the steps he has to take to overcome it. Essay finished, hope I get a good grade.
ironic that the people who say those things often look and act the same ways Rudy does in his previous life. How miserable does you life have to be to the point where you have to constantly talk about the things you don't like rather than the things you do I will say this tho, if you like Mushoku Tensei then you're probably a loser ... a loser who is striving to become a better version of yourself because you understand you have flaws. People who hate Mushoku Tensei on the other hand, is also losers ... just ... without any redeeming personality and is delusional enough to think of yourself as flawless
One thing I found about people who say things like this their no better than the haters because you are trying to say because I hate something it must hit too close to home.When in reality you know the character is flawed and see why people hare him but because you found some redeemable trait about him that doesn't excuse his actions so you keep riding his coattails and saying he changed when in reality he is a piece of shot who cheated on his wife and ya'll justify it by saying she seduced him he was grieving not their are no excuses for cheating and these so called well written females are just like the girls of every other harem anime they don't care if their husband's cheat and the cheater rudeus faced no reprocussions rudeus is still a bad person and when you have to loop your haters in the same circle you see yourself in because you refuse to acknowledge rudeus is still a bad person.Lisen I don't hate rudeus because of how I see myself I hate rudeus because he is the epitome of human scum that's still scuk at the end of the series yet ya'll are convinced he changed.Rudeus never faced any reprocussions in his life yet the only argument you all have us that hus actions weren't glorified when people stood by and watched him be scum.It's like yes the sex offenders never faced any reprocussions but his actions were never glorified despite people standing by and watch him assault those girls.
I have no doubt in my mind antis hate the latest episode more than any other before it, just because they can see Rudy so happy with the love of his life in a normal relationship of mutual love. That's a good thing, keep hating happy couples. I love Mushoku Tensei.
@@Bobby___. Tying up the 2 beast girls is the consequence. Them breaking his treasure and bullying Zanoba is the cause. Even a child could see that. You have to be mentally stunted to not realize that.
@@Bobby___.Not everything gets consequences after each action made. Plus he ties them because they still haven't received punishment from breaking his roxy figure.
@@Re_Vbut he didn’t have to grope them lmfao. That scene was not that problematic but the scene where he touch Eris while she sleeps is where people are enough of this shit. And then author play off as a joke for that scene. He suffered no consequences for that either.
The fact is that nobody is perfect and this is an anime of a character who throughout hardwork manages to become a better person not perfect but better and it’s kind off nice to have a character who has this kind of depth not like other characters who are one dimensional
@@Random0987-l1cYeah, I am never gonna say something fictional is “THE BEST THONG EVER AAARAAAH FUCK YOU IF YOU DONT LIKE IT.” I’ll say a story is good and what I like and don’t like, explain things or have them explained to me. Stuff like that, simple discussions and it isn’t some perfect thing.
I am not on you on this one, Rudeus IS the adult in any situation. The fact is. He should never had any relationship with non adult in his new life. He was not taken advantage of, he took advantage of Eris (obviously lying to her about his actual age) because he was always the one with power within their relashionship (training her. She looked to him as a mentor, he was always "mature"), as much as you like the serie. Going on defending Rudy on this point is pointless and straight up shows how much victim blaming is easy. Though I would add people on twitter always read too much into subtext w/o appreciating the literacy, I won't blame people that hate on this anime because I too, have been shocked. While I am a big weeb and still like it a lot, I even started watching the manga because I liked it that much, but that's because I can write these abstractions in my head that enable me to continue the serie for other reasons. Sorry, english is not my first language
He always thinks first, that's why he always seems like the one in charge. But because he couldn't do anything against the ones who doesn't listen to him, he steps back and change(Eris is stronger than him on physical prowess, so even if you think he's the one in power, the decision falls onto Eris's permission). I like your comment, but he wasn't even acknowledging how people sees him as, he's arrogant because he thinks Eris is arrogant and that he's better. But when she shows emotions like fear and sadness, he got thrown off balance. He didn't think much of others because he thinks they're too arrogant or stupid, yet he stays when he sees them being afraid. He doesn't know how to communicate, he got his composure because others are in more distress than him.
???: I have a mission for you, Rifujin. Rifujin Magonote: What is it, master? ???: Create a novel series, call it... Mushoku Tensei. *a man steps out of the shadows* Jeffrey Epstein: Do not disappoint me... Son.
Taking hate seriously from people that haven't watched a show is as logical as taking praise for a show someone hasn't watched seriously. The correct thing to do is to ignore the idiots and move on.
people getting mad at a flawed character on a journey to be a better person and it taking a long time, unlike these twitter losers perfect OP isekai MC who has all of zero problems or issues with their character
They get mad because they themselves are incapable of taking said journey to become a better person so they choose to stay the way they are(or actively become a worse person) and try to drag everyone else down with them. That's these twitter nutjobs in a nutshell.
@@dennishiestermann3055well my reasons for not liking rudeus is my disdain for sex offenders in general mass murder yes I may watch that retention story bit ain't now way I'm watching a story that shows sa offenders can change
@@animeuploader4992 Must be hard going through life not being able to tell apart fiction from reality. But don't worry you won't be missed. The reality is that every time mushoku tensei is getting discussed on twitter by these folks it's pretty much alway 80-90% lies from people that neither watched the show nor read the source material. And this time is no different. And lets be real here if the only take away you get from Mushoku tensei as a story is that "sex offenders" can change then you're just being disingenuous much like all those twitter nutjobs.
I resonated with MT because I was a terrible person then, but MT made me realize that despite that I could do better and redeem myself despite my mistakes.
The problem Is people are not used to seeing a flawed main character. They're not used to seeing a character who is selfish or self absorbed. They are too used to characters who are super goody goody or who have a hero complex. This is a story of a person who is down in the dumps, being able to rise up and become a better person. These are the same people who would not be able to handle a bad guy for a main character. This is one of the reasons.I believe that many of these same people didn't like Bleach. Ichigo was not seeking the approval of other people. He was already grounded and they're not used to character like him. The level of literacy is truly lacking..
I hate to say it, but this is when you can start to see people that really need to grow up a little bit. I do not say this in a negative way, I say this in a how many of the people that are complaining are probably under the age of 30. ( don't get mad at me for this one, I am just saying that life experience does have an impact on the thought process of which people might perceive things and some of these things sound like people that might not have experienced a lot of things.) But then again everybody is entitled to their opinion, it just feels like people that are basically shouting because they don't want anybody else's opinion to matter but their own
it's understandable, MT is a story about growing up and be a better person than you were/despite your past there is no such thing in twitter, these twitter users WILL dig up story from your past and use it against you if they don't like you, whether or not you've changed. Rudy WAS a bad person, but it wasn't really his fault to begin with. He got bullied because of his hobby, of his appearance and it made him a shut in. He didn't get to mentally grow up and have social interactions. He glorified sex and treat it very poorly just like any immature person would do; so the first few times he gets to interact with girls it's very creepy and he's not a PDF, he's a childish pervert, he drools over ANY women because again; in his previous life he didn't get to grow up because he got bullied he groped his maid, he drool over his own mother even, Eris's mother, Ghislaine and so many more to him Sylphie/Eris was just another girl, he didn't like them because they looked like a kid. people that say Rudy is a PDF only looked at things at surface value, which is very sad.
Oh my God bro how many times will I tell people just because you were bullied at fourteen it doesn't give you the right to be a bad person I don't like rudeus's journey because it shows just because I suffered it means I'm allowed to be bad he was literally beating hus meat to his ten year niece in his pass life tgey retconned it.Meaing that they are trying to see what tgey can make a Character get away with while still being trash but can be redeemed my problem is even after all that he's still a bad
See, here in Brazil, some of us are going insane over the possibility that X is gonna get banned from the country, but then i see hot takes like this one and i don't feel that bad about it.
Not gonna throw buzz words. I quit watching the first season after one scene where his uncle is assaulting the maid who is crying as he does it ( and runs off crying) and the MC just acts like this is normal and it is just glossed over. Nothing said nothing done. That kind of scene is a plague, it's almost become a troupe in anime and I can think of a half dozen where there are scenes like that. Only a few where the MC does anything about it and justice is gotten for the victims. Yes it's fiction, yes it's a story. People watch what they want. The cliche saying garbage in garbage out comes to mind for me. Anime that treats the subject like it is normal, just part of everyday life is to me garbage. See up until that scene I was enjoying the Anime. Go ahead tell me how wrong I am, how crazy I am etc.
Youre talking in the tower with the grandfather and the maid? She wasn't crying and she ran off because they were interrupted. How do you know she was being assaulted? Also the reason he doesn't mention it is because that is the Head of the Family and thats a Maid their station is so far beneath thinking and that is the world they are in its simple this is how our world was. You cant expect to be transported to another world and then force your morals on them thats like some white savior shit.
@@LilPale YT deleted my original comment but also why would he risk his standing for a maid? Like he could be (extremely unlikely) sent to jail or death for speaking against a head of family. People really dont understand what being transported to another world means anymore and love to put their morals into everything.
@@Torbarian They literally just see Rudeus and keeps saying "He shouldn't do that" and then get angry when he doesn't do what they want him to, as if he can hear them.
@@LilPale Its even more wild is that they have never experienced a story like this and they rather just "ban" it then either read the full story for context or wait for it to all be out and then judge it. Judging things in parts is so absurd to me personally
To people like that, I've just got one thing to say:
"Your boos mean nothing to me. I've seen what makes you cheer."
Wym
Exactly, these people are among the worst humanity has to offer.
@@bokuwatobi_dense
@@skiterzzz4474 I just want examples lmao
@@bokuwatobi_ people that shouting that other people terrible or other slender usually just bunch people projecting themselves so they could be looked as "good" people by society... You know just like how serial killer in fiction usually acting like bringer of justice(well psychopath in real life are like that too). While in reality they love to see people to suffer or worse.
I was already a terrible person.
The first step towards change is awareness
Same
Stand proud. You're terrible
Stand tall yall
@@elimDBZ sounds like something my mom would say 💀
Remember back in the days, when you don't like something, you just don't watch it, or tell people you don't like it?
Or you get bullied for liking anime back then? It's been happening all the time, except that's been normalized in society nowadays.
I remember when people shut up and keep their opinions to themselves but nope I’m a bad person for liking this anime.
@@KhanMann66also these people don’t say anything when anime characters are killing each other left and right but wanna complain about this anime
@SweetBaby2GT what makes you think I'm talking about anime specifically? Remember people call you a transphobic for playing Hogwarts Legacy?
nowadays people join or infiltrate the space to be a annoying brat even you can just enjoy what you enjoy.
Good thing people's delusions don't affect reality
Sadly it does. Which is why so many corporations bend the knee.
americans, they are everywhere
@@bilguunb6265 It's not Americans, it's in Europe too
@@bilguunb6265It ain't just us buddy
Unfortunately it actually somehow does
I think people should stop seeking outside value and validation from people like these, they THRIVE on attention and validation, they don't care about the series or to create legitimate discourse on mushoku tensei, all they want it to create drama and they will use buzzwords like "Nazi" or "Sexist", or "Misoginist". Those words have lost their true meaning a LONG time ago. My advice is to not really give these people the time of day, do not give them a platform, treat them like a leave in the wind and eventually they will fade away.
I believe this generally, but let’s be honest here: half the people in this comment section are being sexist and gesturing to the JQ. While I don’t believe much of their critiques, I do think the anime community is toxic and full of legitimately bad people. They should take a page out of Rudy’s book and try to become better people.
@@bokuwatobi_ you mean bad tourist that dont know anything that dont learn respect or anything in life because those fake people exist. Specialy those crazy people that attack all the time.
The saddest fact is: 90% of people on internet is passive and silent while 10% active want to show up their quantities
@@bokuwatobi_ clowns have shown up.
@@mateuszmierzejewski1355 give me one decent rebuttal that isn’t some sort of tautological argument or truism.
I didn’t need an anime to tell me that about myself
That’s what anxiety is for
I'll gladly be a terrible person if it means watching peak🤷♂️
I mean, Who can stop me to watch this peak fuction 😮💨
What are they gonna do? Snap me out of existence
Fr bro 🫡
@@ZashD.WaterLaw😭😭😂😂
100% agree. Beastars too, if im a furry because i like the show, so be it.
Guess I'm a terrible human being because this I'd my favorite anime light novel ever
Read Kino's Journey and Legend of the Galactic Heroes
It's okay there a lot weeb like u
i know this isekai made all isekai popular but inyuyasha was the first from another world type anime back then my favorite isekai is overlord because its different meaning its from the bad guy point of view while most isekai are the same op male characters with harem :( ( i like mushoku tensei)
@@IDontKnowYouWhoAreYou LN is different than anime and even manga. It is a lot more detailed and spicy with dirty jokes etc. A lot of them are censored/skipped in others.
@@ggoddkkiller1342Novel does more than that as well, being able to get views into Rudeus head at all times, the world building, the way it treats scenes and characters is better.
Anime is great at visually doing these things but it doesn’t work all the time and they don’t have the time.
Plus the novel also shows how a lot of characters are messed up way more, but also does better when they get moments to be explored such as an argument. Like Paul, anime did the whole scene pretty decent but novel way better.
I also feel like the novel has a clear line as to what is actually a joke or not. Anime can be misleading with this IMO
"One look at twitter a day
will rot your brain away"
- A wise man
That's why I don't even have it on my phone
Rot is an understatement... The app should be removed from the face of the Earth
Picked up the light novel due to the hate around it, and it then proceed to become one of my best piece of literature, so thanks haters
The haters wanted to gatekeep but turns out, they were only doing free marketing for the show, thanks haters 👍
Lmao it be like that. I be searching for animes with the most controversies surrounding them because they always end up being good asf 😂
It's not just one of my favorite pieces of literature it's an unhealthy addiction. I went from vol 1 to 22 in 3 months while working 2 jobs. Just couldn't put it down!
It's always sad to see fanboys praising this shit 😔
@@gladiaxfire6970 Sad to see people who are incapable of having a shred of nuance always make things black or white when its convenient
If I don’t like something I read or watch, I drop it and move on to the next best thing I can find.
I dropped this manga long ago when it wasn’t even as popular and was in the very early arcs. I watched the first season of the anime and I liked it better, but I never cared for subsequent seasons.
If you legitimately get mad about fiction to the point where you type out whole essays and post on social media to gain more attention, ironically from people who like what you hate, then you’re just an attention seeking idiot.
While I wouldn’t recommend the manga because I personally can’t suspend enough disbelief to be okay with the premise of the story, I’m not the authority on what people like. If you can get past the premise and actually get into it, I’ve heard it’s a good read.
It’s really not that deep, you either dislike it or you like it, but don’t try to impose your dislike onto others. [edit: unless it’s objectively something bad]
Word
From this comment i learned
You a manga reader for mushoku tensei?!
@@Mogtoa I dropped it around the part where his father turned out to be cheating on his wife with the maid and how they resolved it.
@@revenantronin8377 oh ok cool so you gonna watch the livestream today?
@@revenantronin8377same I droped it there
About time addresses his MENTAL age and not just his physical age. When it comes to growth and behavioral maturity that matters more than the number of years spent alive.
Day 1 Rudeus and Rudeus either Half way or at the near the end is pretty much light and day.
Tbf it's sorta confirmed that he had the brain of a child when he says he's still young so he learns quickly sooo
He is mentally in his 40s regardless even if he capped at being a teenager they know enough right and wrong to not do half the shit he pulls in the story.
Face it Rudeus is a grown ass man parading around and sexually harassing children 😂
@@yhiz4757Thats the whole point. Reincarnation but past life memories give you identity crisis and baggage. Its like these people completely forget that...THATS THE ACTUAL POINT. Its what makes it interesting.
This 100%. He shut himself in his room at the age of like 15 or 16 and never really interacted with anyone personally even until he died at 34. Of fucking course he's not going to act like a mature, well-adjusted 34 year old - he's going to behave like someone who's still stuck at the mental age of 15-16 and never matured past that, only worsened further by the nearly 2 decades where he isolated himself from the rest of the world.
Funny while walking in Barns and Noble asked a worker where the manga was! She stated she would burn that section and walked away. Zero help finding it and a nasty attitude! Older lady with a massive chip on her shoulder! It’s like a cult without reason just burn the books!
First, they want to call us chomos for liking this series, now it's us being Nazis cause the series promotes buying a house and having a family
always weridos on twitter begging for engagement
The people who say this are the same ones who consider re zero a “male power fantasy” 😂😂
I always find that opinion hilarious.
Yeeah its a male power fantasy to struggle with building meaningful relationships and to suffer some of the worst trauma imaginable. Being forced to not be able to communicate your pain and anxieties to anyone and can only live with it alone is something we all wish for.
Kazutrash would second this opinion 🤣
Actually MANY people who do not like MT are Re:zero fans (like myself) because Subaru actually gets PUNISHED for his toxic behavior.
Rudy doesn't, he literally SA Eris and nothing of consequence happen. You can keep coping. But 2nd season points it out more that he grabbed beastgirls to "rape" just to try get a hard on and as usual...NOTHING OF CONSEQUENCE happens.
MT is just a disgusting self indulgent life style where you can get away being an absolute disgusting monster.
I've seen people call it a harem show, simply because most of the character (at least earlier on) are female. Such a ridiculous take considering most of those characters aren't even love interests.
@@steveiguana6887 I'd say three women deeply interested in him early on is enough to count as a harem. Though the one he is interested in is a bit debatable how much she returns the feelings.
Now you may be confused as to how I got three. but I assure you there is indeed 3.
I never see overlord getting cancelled he never gets punished for the really bad things he does like genocide to an entire nation 🤣
Nobody made a big hubbub when the church chick wanted to marry the princes like 6 year old kid lmao. Even the folks around were creeped out lmao but Twitter didnt say jack
@@zachrohler1047 Twitter only cares when it's about men being creepy to women, not the other way around.
When older chick marries younger dude not a peep. When older men get married with a younger woman they freak out. Hypocrites all of them.
it hapeen in season 3. they get offended when POV switch side to invader of nazarick. t
the issues in here alot of people seems self insert themselves with in the MC
That’s just murder on a massive scale, Ainz isn’t stealing panties and peeping on Albedo which is MUCH more dangerous to these people.
Yes, yes i am terrible, let me take pride in that. 😂😌
Rudy's story is one of character growth and development, and not microwaved either, it takes literally years/decades for him to overcome the traumas of his past life and become a better person.
@PICKLE032 straight up they just overlook all the grooming he has done rudy is just an all-around horrible person
@@imortal2023Honestly bro is much more well adjusted than you.
@@JayceCH.We don’t know that but we do know for a fact that Rudeus has done no grooming, with Sylphie he even said that he just wanted to protect her, since no one protected him when he was bullied. And that it is too young for both of them for any relationship. (If you see my comment stating this a lot, sorry it’s just an early on thing he mentions around the end of vol. 1, so it is an easy to throw out.)
He does get some sorta joking bad thoughts after but then Paul sends him away.
How to be a mushoku tensei hater 101: be so insecure to be judged that you judge other for your insecurity
mushoku tensei hater is projection at its finest 🤌🤌
Your reasons are exactly why Mushouku Tensei is needed to be aired in these times. So many people particularly important people who have potential to do great broad things were cancelled and villified by toxic social and mainstream media. Studio Bind and the author may have the same reason as you spoke of.
The more the haters seethe the more I’m convinced this series is heading in the right direction. Mushoku tensei is absolute cinema
I find it kind of similar to the haters of Game of thrones, when that was airing for the first seasons . And with the source material being finished for Mushoku tensei, hopefully it won't be butchered like that series.
anime tourists gonna anime tourist.
Throwing buzzwords after buzzwords just to really paint the subject as really evil.
The supposed evil show is not radicalizing people, these kind of people are
People when the MC have character development that develops throughout the story instead of being perfect from the start or instantly becomes a perfect person after just one arc:
I bet they're not consistent with that belief
They are actually.
@@ChibiReviews What he meant was, they don't apply that belief to every piece of fiction. In this case, the guy who made those tweets is a hypocrite because he likes Araagi and Berserk.
@@visoth7791Just saying Rudeus touch a minor in Isekai
@@cheaterhusband4465 The irony is completely lost on you 🤣
@@ChibiReviews the person who started the whole thing is a monogatari and 7DS fans ... if you're gonna hate on something because of moral issues, at least be consistent brother.
I hate "Rent-A-Girlfriend". Never watched the anime, but I have friends who watch the anime, and it's exactly as I thought it was. The main character is pure shit in my opinion. But I'll never tell people not to watch the anime, or hate the people who do.
I’m under the belief that you can watch the show but at the same time I do think that better entertainment is out there. You can talk about how Rudeus “gets better” but if the story doesn’t convince me of that but more of just him learning self control instead of actual growth to how he approaches things, I just don’t think it’s that great. You can make flawed characters and plenty of stories have done that but with Rudeus there’s nothing there that has shown me he’s truly changed. I watched the first season with every episode being hard to watch and then season 2 I was told “he gets better” and I still see the fucker worshipping minor’s panties…to me that simply broke my patience. The dude was more worried about a broken dick over the mission of finding the rest of his family and even takes time to worship some depraved shit, but I’m supposed to think he’s changed simply because he pushes people away or does a workout. I ended up spoiling myself later down the line and the fact he does what he does later in the story just proves to me that nothing has truly changed other than him becoming more like the timeline he’s in. He lived in a far future with an understanding of what the right thing to do is and he just has his bad traits reinforced by this new setting and there’s nothing to really challenge it to make him truly change. I know this has been a long rant but I just don’t get how this show is supposed to be so good when I immediately fell in love with anime like Overlord, Saga of Tanya the Evil, etc. where the protagonist in those stories aren’t exactly good either, yet I feel way more for them because they express their reasons and are more understandable to root for than Jobless. Maybe I’m just crazy but that’s how I see it
Finally someone sane
@@CurseMahitoincorrect
It shows to me that you didn't read the story as he hate the fact of thinking that any of his kid will be like him ,also the pants thing is now a big part of his life
@@danchiziofficial2159 he could change that and become something that his kids could grow up to be instead of wallowing in self pity. It just proves he didn’t change especially if panties become a big part of his life. Even someone like me is always trying to change for the better no matter how hard it is because I could never have a child without setting the example of what I want them to be. Of course I’d want them to make better choices but I also understand that as long as I show them what right looks like then I’ve done my job to show them what to strive to be. It’s an excuse to stay shitty and then just say “I’d hate my future kids to see me this way”
@@danchiziofficial2159 its fine if u like the show as long as u acknowledge that rudeus is an awful guy.
I must be really terrible since I've read every single volume of the Light Novel..
it’s insane that people are defending this like crazy damn
Guys I AM A TERRIBLE PERSON
And just like that the "Tourists" are attacking us anime fans for no apparent reason
Tourists = fake people that just want vandalize the places for no reason
I will never understand why people cannot understand that you can read a story, without agreeing with every single thing that is said or done in the story. I have never read or watched Jobless Reincarnation, but I would never label someone as horrible (or worse) just because they like this series. There are some series that I absolutely love and have had a good impact on me, and even though that is true - I don’t agree with everything shown in those stories. But you know what? That’s okay. I can still love those stories without 100% agreeing or loving everything that is shown in them.
People need to focus more on things that they like, instead of spreading anger/insults, over a fictional story.
Everything in the story is Wonderful mc is just unbearable to watch like every other characters have more depth then is sick self-centered ass
I don't label people who watch jobless reincarnation a bad person it's the people who believe rudeus's actions can be justified
@@animeuploader4992Mhm. Because you clearly dont fish/bait people for those responses right? You arent these trolls who instigate? Like...every single one of you people who "hate" people are the ones instigating them? Wheres your self awareness? 😂
Well I have gone outside and have enjoyed fresh air.
This guy doesn't even deserve to get his name censored, you know he would never do that if the sides were reversed. He feels so high and mighty on his self perceived moral high ground that it doesn't even OCCUR to him, that there might be flaws in his reasoning. Let alone that he might be needlessly offensive towards ppl who just wanna enjoy things. Don't let yourself get riled up by people like him. Your positive nature is a thorn in this pessimistic guy's life so he lashes out. Keep being you and spreading the joy of entertainment, he can keep being him and make everyone but his small bubble throw him a quick side-eye and go on with their days, happier than his probably is.
IF YOU LIKE MUSHOKU TENSEI YOU'RE EVIL!!
Meanwhile next episode airs and the viewership gets even higher 😅
The only people who hate Mushoku Tensei are people who hate the idea of men being successful in life.
Pedophiles*. That's the word you're looking for, not "men". I think it's weird that people like this Pedophile power fantasy, but that's my opinion.
I don't like Rudy but I still like the show.
I can understand why people might not like the show but it defo doesn’t excuse them labeling people who do with isms
@@justanotherguy.I can’t understand why people dislike the show, I think the people that do are the BIGGEST losers on the face of the earth. They’re all puritans and should be avoided like the plague.
Uhh no its because I dont like pedophiles and slave apologetics.
I was never a good person in these peoples eyes so im not bothering changing anything now
You know, there's always the option of not liking the show while respecting the opinion of others that like it. But Twitter being Twitter I guess...Recently, I've noticed that there's been an increase with those anime tourists that just complain that the content are not suited for them before jumping to another community.
@PICKLE032 literally the same mentality as "if you like violent videogames you need to be put on a watch list".
@PICKLE032 I'm not trying to change the subject though. I'm just pointing out that trying to police people's thoughts is idiotic no matter the subject.
Never felt so good to be a terrible person.
Loving and hating are rights in opinion. Separating fantasy from reality is good for mental health. Anime is already popular that the medium never needs to be American.
I must be a terrible person... eh *shrugs*
Edit: please everyone realize that these types of people just say random brain rot shit for attention because they have nothing else better to do. They use these big words to sound important.
If this show never got an anime and stayed a light novel people wouldn't have cared. Since being animated some can't separate a work of fiction from reality. If the stuff in the show makes you uncomfortable it's ok to feel those things, what's not ok is bullying others for enjoying or defending a show.
People expected Rudeus to suffer and die as punishment for his earlier behavior.
These are the same people who believe prison sentence should always be execution, when the whole point of prison is rehabilitation.
They are physically unable to comprehend that someone can "grow out" of their flaws.
That's how life works, you do a lot of stupid shit when you're immature and eventually grow up (hopefully).
What past behaviour exactly? I keep seeing people saying “Rudys early behaviour”, what exactly are they talking about? Because I see absolutely nothing whatsoever that’s a problem. Stealing a pair of panties? Peeping on the ladies? Are these people seriously saying these are irredeemable crimes? These people are puritans.
No PEOPLE EXPECT a strain in a relationship at BARE MINIMUM.
Not Eris before her department being like
'OMG YOUR MY HERO YOUR SO AMAZING, IM NOT WORTHY OF YOU AT ALL I HAVE TO LEAVE AND BETTER MYSELF TO BE WORTHY OF YOU!"
after nearly being SA multiple times.
@@peppermint3808 Incorrect timing. That is after Eris realized she had seduced and become reliant on a minor. Oh you are one of those people who don't know that Eris also took Rudy's underpants so she could sniff them! Eris isn't some delicate flower who needs your protection. She didn't need to go tattle on Rudy, she was his employer. She could have fired him anytime she wanted. She just handled things herself, her way. Even in the alternate timeline she was the same way with Luke's advances. She just likes guys who are persistent and can accept her violent nature. Why do those who take your stance never address the fact that Eris violated Rudy's person first being violent for no reason, when they first met! Because violence against men and boys is funny? Expected? If you don't understand how and why Eris grew attached and attracted to Rudues and you aren't just a troll and are open to learning go watch the Psyculturists reaction to those episodes.
Rudeus doesn’t grow out of his flaws though, that’s the problem. The narrative treats him as if he’s a better person now when he isn’t. He’s still a creep around women especially children well into the series. The moments become less common because he interacts with children less as he grows up, but they’re still there. He never has a moment where he realizes that his actions were wrong or is confronted by the harm he caused, even in his new life. I love when characters confront their dark sides and try to move past them, even characters who relapse back into them. But shows that handle that topic well always make sure to present their horrible actions as horrible, and not let their characters forget that. Just look at Bojack Horseman for a great example of that. He also almost sexually assaults a minor but the show always presents this action as a bad thing and a mistake that he’ll have to live with for the rest of the his life. Even so, you still want him to improve himself and become a better person and be happy as well. But you only feel that way because Bojack knows his actions were wrong and more importantly the story knows his actions were wrong. Neither Rudeus nor the story ever portray his creepy moments with children as harmful, and you can’t solve a problem if you never recognize that you have one in the first place.
@@legoboy468"He’s still a creep around women especially children well into the series." okay so you are just lying for fun GG!
That post is just the "violent music and video games will turn you into a sadistic murderer" argument with an Isekai coat of paint on it.
0:14 when I see posts like these I laugh, click on the 3 dots than "see less posts like these", and go about my day.
I feel a little more proud of myself even knowing realizing that I am more mature than a LOT more people that I thought.
I won't judge anyone. I'll simply say I didn't feel comfortable AT ALL watching this. Too many borderline sex scenes involving children either listening, watching it, or attempting it. I stopped after watching the protagonist (physically 10 years old) in bed with a 12 year ild. That's just too creepy for me.
thats good. thats the point of the scene. to show how terrible that specific scene is. i mean…why else do we have an entire arc of him having ED as a punishment for it. you know damn well if he didnt have sex with Eris he wouldnt get the ED EVEN IF she left for her training arc.
something that barely anyone talks about is how Rudeus IS A TERRIBLE PERSON. he is a 40 years old hikikomori, not contributing to society, a porn addict, peak pervert, get offended by his friend too easily that he assaults him, and more. HE IS A LOWLIFE
the show is about him getting rid of these traits one by one. its him trying to be a better person.
- he gets rid of the hikikomori stuff the moment he leaves the house.
- he sees himself in paul when they reunites and tries to fix that as well.
- he contributes to society the when he offers to do a job for sylphy in season 1 (and all his adventuring)
- he cares other people offering help with Nanahoshi, Cliff, and more
and not to get into the specifics
he will eventully stop oggling at women’s breast at a certain point. people are quick to judge him never recovering from that trait just because of the wiki saying he has 3 wifes. the ONLY WIFE where he naturally fall in love, develop relationship and marrying without major issue IS SYLPHY. he even rejects the 2 beastgirl (Linea, Pursena) when man god himself gave them to Rudy as a wife just because he wants to be loyal to Sylphy.
the other 2 ties to specific circumtances. Im not getting into why Roxy became his wife since its too spoilery because it involves a certain person’s death. he originally are about to reject Eris’s proposal if it isnt because of a certain horrifying event that made him discuss it with Sylphy and Roxy to prevent “something” from happening (honestly felt bad for Eris when Rudeus say “i cant love you like i love Sylphy and Roxy. do you still want to do this?”)
@@TheKnightCrafter123The person above meant the birthday scene, y’know where Rudeus jumps the gun and uh, gets beaten up, then she makes that promise. Which Rudeus values and blah blah blah
That scene, unless you are just bring up later stuff for some reason?
Damn. I have been pushing off watching this show because of time I don't have... but now after these "special" folks on Twitter, I think I am gonna start watching it. Thanks, Twitter! Glad you pushed me to watch it even more!
This is a fictional story with fictional characters that has nothing to do with reality...A story should be told with the authors imagination and the human imaginations has no limites and you shouldn't put limites on it or else you'd get a boring dry ass story.
It's so funny that peoples goes crazy of this stuff while murder/genocides is a far worst thing, but i don't see anyone being offended by that (it's the opposite, peoples get excited seeing someone get killed)
True that and also even if they rebutt that by saying it's not shown in a joking manner like sexual assault.thing is even if torture and killing was shown with comedy these people would not have the same problem but when it comes to sexual assault?.no no that's so bad.hypocrisy at it's finest for sure!!
@@Xenor999Interesting thing is how you can take the sexual assault or whatever being comedy and turn it upside down because the normal response is that it makes there not be any punishment for what is done (not gonna really get into this.)
And has no consequences almost as if it never existed.
But using that, couldn’t you then say that it didn’t exist? Just ignore it or even say it didn’t happen?
But if you acknowledge it does exist then stuff like, being punched for comedy also exists. Clearly showing that it is bad, even if with comedy.
One can’t say that the show does one certain thing then ignore the other thing.
Agh, fuck, I have what I want to say in clear words but I am tired and mixing words up. If you respond, I’ll elaborate more.
These kind of people always fear the things they don't understand. Rudeus for all intents and purposes due to extreme bullying in his past life resulted in him suffering and shutting himself off from the outside world which for all intents and purposes halted his development into becoming a proper adult. Hell worse he might have regressed in that time of isolation to protect himself. The brain does incredible things to stop you feeling stressed. These people always live in a bubble and often suffer a lack of empathy or understanding.
Rudeus isn't a perfect human (but in all likelihood he'll become a far better person than some of people ever will be) and yes his behaviour at times is wrong, no-one defends that but EVERYONE deserves a chance to become a better person and that is what this story is about. Can a person given a second chance become better than they were? Hell we see it in the show. He is by far a better person already than what he was. People make truly bad mistakes in life and Rudeus suffers through his character development. He gets outright killed, injured, imprisoned, loses his family across an entire world, He find Eris walking away from him with no idea why and so on BUT he has also saved lives, shown compassion, reconnected with family and friends and forgiven grievances and so on. He is BY far a better person than most of X. When's the last time they helped anyone?
Imagine what they'll do and say after turning point 3 happens ifykyk
So...I'm probably going to regret typing this up if anyone reads it, but...I agree with some of what was said in the post being covered here. Now, for clarification, I don't think watching or reading Mushoku Tensei makes you any different than anyone else. Sure, there are probably bad people who read and watch it, but there are also bad people who don't, I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with consuming the series. With that out of the way...I do agree that Mushoku Tensei is a story that "actively minimizes & makes excuses for genuine blank & blank" (UA-cam will eviscerate this comment if I spell most of these words out, so just bare with me here). I think it's a little silly to pretend that Mushoku Tensei doesn't trivialize many of the awful things that are done to women in the series and sometimes outright portrays awful things as being of no big deal. The key thing to note, is that a lot of the time these awful things are not treated with the severity they ought to be from the author. If a character is an atrocious person, that's fine, that's the character, yet, Mushoku Tensei does often present awful things done to women as...not that bad or even good.
The post being covered here takes the criticism too far to even be considered reasonable (which is part of why I'm typing this, because I think there is validity to it), but when the poster says that Mushoku Tensei is a power-fantasy in a world where men are able to do whatever they want to women, largely without any repercussion, that's accurate. If you enjoy that type of story, that's fine, and I wouldn't let that change my perception of you as a person if I knew you. Still, as a story, Mushoku Tensei relishes getting to tell a story about awful men who do awful things and get rewarded for it, which is fine, I mean who doesn't like the occasional story where bad people get to live free and do as they like. But, Mushoku Tensei is also a story where the author doesn't seem to have a problem with how the male characters treat women and girls, which I think can be inferred based on how the story very rarely shows the women and girls in its world having any substantial criticisms or issues with the awful things men do and get rewarded for. Put simply, that's not how most writers would choose to portray characters they think negatively of, because it doesn't say anything bad about them, and in many ways actually says a lot of good.
I'm starting to ramble and I think I've gotten my point across. Myself and many people do not like this series and think poorly of how it handles some very sensitive topics that the author often feels too immature to cover with the care they should be. Yet, that doesn't mean we have anything against the people who read or watch the series and enjoy it. The individual responsible for the post being covered in this video is more than a little unreasonable and made some absurd and unfair accusations, that's something I made clear from the start and maintain at the end. Hopefully this rambling fool was able to make sense of the people who have valid complaints of Mushoku Tensei and view it as problematic, without disrespecting or demeaning those who are the overwhelmingly vast majority, the people who enjoy it honestly and don't take its more troubling aspects beyond the page and screen.
Basically, light novel and manga target on certain people instead all people. Something just doesn't need to be fixed.
well said!
It's easy to see how people might not want to read/watch it because of its contents & the presentation of them, but there is absolutely no "should" in an artistic work. The story is told primarily through the eyes of one character, the books are mostly written in his voice, and he's not a nice person or a mature one. As far as I can remember, at no point is the story told in the author's voice, just those of the characters.
If you're trying to infer the views of the author from the story, well, people who do bad things to women and girls, including the main character, are seriously beaten and others are killed, frequently by women and girls. The very first part of the story describes how the maid thinks Rudius is so disgusting he must have been possessed by a demon; the plot of another part is driven by the terrible opinion his half sister has of him; his behaviour is frequently disparaged & punished. Finally, I don't recall any point where anybody is rewarded for their bad behaviour - get away with, sure, but not quid pro quo rewarded.
@@SimonRGates I think a few things need to be clarified here. Firstly, I'll admit my lack of knowledge on the light novels, I only know the bulk of the series from its anime, I included "read" in the original comment because I figured including the whole of the series would be best.
Regardless, I don't think the POV the author used matters all that much. In my opinion, a good author can do a lot to criticize their POV character's worst attributes without using their authorial voice. It's pretty simple, as an author, have other characters doing the critique for you, or write your character into a situation where they have to deal with consequences or negative repercussions.
These are simple, effective ways to handle the very serious subject matter in Mushoku Tensei and other stories like it. Now, once again, I'll admit that I don't know if he does this in the light novels or not, but I have yet to see this kind of nuanced criticism of his characters in any real way in the anime. To be honest, he wouldn't even have to try very hard, I'm not asking a lot, but I could ask even less. A series like Berserk critiques its world very effectively by doing one simple thing, treating the victims as real people, with realistic reactions and responses to awful things done to them.
Mushoku Tensei doesn't do that as far as I can tell. Rudy at best frequently gets rewarded for his worst attributes and at worst simply doesn't face repercussions. Moreover, the story actually does the opposite of what I'm talking about above and instead of using other characters to critique the protagonist, actually shows other men not suffering appropriate consequences for their actions against women.
I don't think I need the author's voice to infer much of his perspective on this story. I'm not saying that his real-world beliefs are represented in the series, that would be silly, all I'm saying is that he seems to be okay with portraying very problematic ideas and themes without having anything of substance to say within the work as it relates to said problematic ideas and themes. It feels lazy and shallow to me, is all.
@@sparksdog8111 Take out the fantasy elements, and you don't have to go very far in space or time to find places where the world of MT is the norm. Only, for the most part the real world is worse. Aristocrats in this sort of setting suffer no consequences for their mistreatment of others (see: the whole of Europe until the 1900s, hell, see Michael Jackson). The consequences, or lack of, are entirely appropriate for the setting. Again, I can't recall Rudius ever being rewarded for bad behaviour.
Rudius is criticized by other characters - the books make a big thing of it and the anime does in bits as well, but that criticism is from their moral perspective not that of the audience. Much of the story missing from the anime is the perspective of the other characters, it mostly follows Rudius' voice, so that probably doesn't come across so much.
I'm not going to claim that MT is a great work of art, but the themes it does explore are fairly well done, there is believable character growth, and even the power fantasy is predicated on constant hard work rather than dropped in the characters laps. It's character lead, it's about the effect of trauma on people, how fear and loss and doubt makes them behave. But it's not a modern critique of a pre-industrial, feudal-adjacent society.
My favorite bit is the fact, this is set during medieval times, but people use modern day logic to say it's bad. I get the fact this man is in theory, 40+, but he's reborn as a kid once more. His life is starting from scratch, aside from having a minor advantage of experiences. Besides, this is about a guy making wrongs from his past right in his current life. Character development doesn't happen after a night of sleep. That's a long term goal for long term results.
PS. Y'all should see IFunny for this shit
Plus keep in mind, there's no debate regarding isekai. I mean, literally no debate because reincarnation doesn't exist in real life. So applying whatever logic or points over a fictional genre with real life scenario is simply delusional.
I think that’s the point. He may have been reborn but he still had the prior 30 years of experience. His body maybe 15 or whatever but he’s mentally like 45 now. He knows what he’s doing is creepy and weird that’s the problem. This is why season 1 was better because it had other things to focus on. But now it’s at the forefront of the show. That’s why it’s been so hard to watch personally.
@@MegatronDon7I mean both slyphy and eris are both adults in that world and Roxy is over 100 years old.
@@zachrohler1047 But Sylphy and Eris don't know Rudy has been reincarnated and is 30+ years old. Would you think they would sleep with him if he told them he was 40+ years old? I think they would vomit lol
@@MegatronDon7 If he was 30 in his past life, then I would argue he is still mentally 30. He hasn't lived long enough for his mind to physically develop past that point, even if he does have more experience than his age would suggest. As he gets older, the line between Rudeus and his old self slowly disappears until all you're left with is Rudy. Eventually you stop thinking of Rudeus as "that creepy, 30 year-old reincarnated shut-in" and more as a "still somewhat creepy, 15 year-old kid learning to be a better person."
That said, I do still agree that it was kinda weird at first to see the romance elements of the show considering his mental age. But considering romantic attraction is also reliant upon our physical development it makes sense that the now 15 or so Rudeus would be attracted to people around the same age as himself. Completely understandable if some people can't look past the mental age thing, I know it took me a while to, but I think that element of his character makes sense and isn't nearly as disgusting as it was in early season 1.
Oh hey I responded to this guy saying "Well what would have Rudy do then, date girls his physical age or mental age" and he kept spouting shit instead of responding to the question. Can't have the first one according to him but you also can't have the second one because it would make the woman the weird one, so does he just have to go without love for the rest of his life then?
Homie got stun locked and couldn't answer
People fixated on Rudy being a 34 y/o in his past life and never moved on
To answer your question he should date people he didn't groom since childhood so no sylphy or eris and are at least 18 bare minimum like a reasonable adult.
If Rudeus has too wait till he's a legal adult,18, to hit on them to not be creepy then so be it ya acting as if him aiming for people who are legal is impossible.
@@liberleo1384adult is 15 in most of MT world.
Groom? Bro, he did no such thing, plus later on they do worse things to him and Eris has even done terrible things to him already. Anime didn’t cover all of it, I don’t think.
Sylphie around the end of vol. 1 before he got whisked off, aka dad FUCKING KNOCKS HIS 7 YR OLD KID OUT, but before that Rudeus had talked about how he didn’t wanna relationship with Sylphie while they are both young, he would rather protect her because no one protected him from being bullied.
With Eris, there is no grooming there, after they got teleported Rudeus put her on a pedestal, didn’t do anything to her and was tryna get her back home.
While she did stuff to him the whole time, and even the first time they met.
But by your question, if you wanna be technical he did wait until legal age, Eris forced herself on him ofc, then left a message that Rudeus interpreted as, “your weak bye, get stronger.” Rather than, “I am not as strong as you, I need to get stronger. I realize I had been relying on someone way physically weaker and younger than me.”
Sylphie he would have never had the chance to groom, pretty sure he knew her for maybe 2 years, or 1 years and a half.
Eris he knew for 3 years up until the teleportation incident I believe, then they traveled back home for 2 years until she left ofc
In those three years, Eris mostly does whatever the fuck she wants, she tones it down but still.
Eris has the least boundaries on consent and it makes sense given how nobility is and her family for example.
Rudeus early on is terrible at it as well but don’t act like Eris isn’t her own person, she did not get groomed, she did fall in love with him though.
@bravosix2960
Their world believes in slavery do you really think they are the best example of ethics? Rudeus is from earth he understands our right and wrong and knows how unethical his actions are hence why he questions then before doing it anyway.
Also sylphy was definitely groomed and taken advantage of rudeus in vol 9 - "Were her feelings for me just some lingering trace of my attempts to brainwash her as a kid?"
Also Rudeus in vol 1 "That does it. Ive decided! Ill make her into my perfect girl!" Which he immediately followed by flirting with her throughout their childhood relationship a poor man's attempt is still an attempt and it payed off considering how he slept with her when she was a teenager.
Eris may be 15 sure but again Rudeus is 40 and from earth he should be placed on a higher standard cause he's from modern day society not a backwards society and despite that he still tries to sexually assault her in her sleep by trying to cop a feel of someone who he's known since she was what 10.
Eris initiated sure but forced is an exaggeration when first of all he has magic and second he reciprocated not rejecting her advances man felt like he was on top of the world before he found out she left that's not someone who's been SA'd that's a man who gave a second to think maybe sleeping with a 15 year old is wrong and does it anyway and had the time of his life.
If a student comes up to a teacher and ask him to sleep with her then he says no she says please then he goes "oh ok" then do we say he was SA'd or do we call him a PDF cause considering how Rudeus was her teacher that's pretty much what happened.
Eris might be the one who initiated the advances before sleeping together but Rudeus made constant advances towards her as well beforehand more often then not sexually and did agree to sleeping with her that was his choice as a 40 year old man to sleep with the 15 year old girl just because she asked please continue to defend his actions cause honestly your not looking good here.
Eris and rudy are basically the same as aqua and ruby
Both are blood related
MT: 2nd cousins
ONK: blood related siblings
One is mentally double or more then the age of the other
MT: Rudeus is like 40 something
ONK:aqua is mentally in his like late 20s or early 30s
They both physically are near each others age
Mt: Rudeus is like 13 and I think Eris is 15
ONK: twins
yep, and the only issues people have with Aqua and Ruby is the incest part (which, y'know, is a reasonable issue to have) and maybe their feelings towards each other in their past life (assuming those people think it was anything more than trying to give a dying girl hope and something to live for).
I really like how Oshi no Ko tackles Aqua's psychology regarding the merging of his past identity with his new one. The line between the two blurs as he gets older and his physical age catches up to his mental age. He's not Gorou Amamiya living a new life as Aqua, he's Aqua Hoshino with memories of his previous life as Gorou. The same is likely occurring with Rudeus, it's just not said outright because that's never the focus and it isn't relevant to the plot.
lets think about this now, they said mushoku is wrong because mind is matter more than a body, turn out they still mad when the body itself is problematic like ONK, this is proof that even if rifujin make rudy lustful to 30/40 yo lady they still gonna mad about it.
@@randomperson8375It’s always this series that get flak but other isekai with the exact premise gets ignored.
@@randomperson8375I agree with this and if the author actually focused on this aspect instead of the garbage mystery drama then ONK could've been legit story.
Now that I look back on it, this was the exact reason why I dropped it bc they didn't brother explaining anything about Aqua or anything with the reincarnation plot
The amount of people that gets angry at fictional media is astounding, sadly it's not even on twitter, even some youtubers are like that.
People just can't accept people being flawed even in fiction. Its a story about an absolute scum of a person earnestly trying to be better. A flawed character that continues to develop throughout the series a well written main character. His whole shtick doesn't rely on being cool and overpowered alone, he actually has depth. The world of MT enhances that. It is not the modern world, it has different set of morals, values etc. due to the circumstances around them. The main character and other characters then interact in an oragnic manner in a dynamic world.
People apparantly don't like that. They want everything to be tailored to what they see is right or acceptable. They don't care if it is well written or not. What they care is if it makes them feel good about themselves after watching/reading it. THAT is their entertainment.
I love mushoku tensei as a whole but hate the sexualization of kids as it makes me incredibly uncomfortable. If someone's into anime kids tho imo they're pretty fucked in the head, it's not considered pedophilia by law but it's VERY concerning (especially considering how often that group loves to guilt trip people who criticize them + more)
Ok listen to me if you can, what they are saying may seem absurd, because it is but there are layers of truths in it.
These people on Twitter cannot deal with these taboos, and end up confusing terms and even creating terms to repudiate certain acts such as pedophilia and racism that coexist in various genres of entertainment.
Mushoku Tensei has serious problems with how the writter deals with Rudeus and his distorted instincts in his new life, the story shows that his acts in early life is something that makes him a deplorable person However, at the same time both in anime and the manga/Light novel (which, by the way, has much more questionable things) They tend to satirize, soften and not punish libidinous acts, Turning abuse scenarios into comedy in his NEW life, this is so much wrong and worse due to Rudeus's mental age being of an older man, Rudeus does not pay his actions with the same coin, in the author's writing.
Now comes the famous phrase "It's just fiction" so... you are saying that fiction is something separate from reality maybe even worse, the morally bad issues of our reality gain less importance because they are mixed into a form of escapism that manifests itself in books, anime, games and films?! If you believe this, then why do authors build their worlds with ethical, behavioral and psychological problems in a fictional world? Fiction is the greatest form of message since ancient Greece, tales, legends, fables, THEY SERVE TO PASS MESSAGES AND QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR WORLD.
Would you say the same if people treated killing and genocide as a comedy because iam sure many of these Twitter people would not have the same problem with that.maybe you are the same type of femcentric person??.
@@Xenor999 Comparing problem A with problem B is not the Question and does not even add to this debate, I am mentioning problem A that is Mushoku Tensei writing, the Twitter haters are part of the problem,as I said and not part of the solution, But that doesn't take away their moral reason on this topic. The problem is how they approach it, I'm not a saint, because I was once the one I'm criticizing now.
@@danielleonsantosfreitas1180again it friction you can go in a story supporting the bad guy who kiss thousands of people or you can go in supporting a good guy ,it does not change your morality because it's still friction and it's not meant to be taken seriously
@@Xenor999 And you naturally know that violence is bad, but it is entertaining, genocide is also something common unfortunately in the reality of society, pedophilia is not something worse or less worse that violence and genocide but it is a more subtle line of reasoning and can be disguised, violence in shonen conveys messages of overcoming and willpower directly through blows and powers. You think it's fun but But you know that in reality there is no Kamehameha, Rasengan, super strength, delicate issues such as pedophilia, Abuse, require MUCH more care, as semiotics can send dangerous messages and harmful.
@@danchiziofficial2159 What if the bad guy looks like you or The good guy? Fiction characters are written with bases of Author's world view, they can be caricatures, parodies, representations of REALITY, Just as dilemmas come from the social and cultural repertoire of the authors, a comedy work has the structure of comedy, but everything is a caricatured and comical representation of reality, you can be a good guy and understand that it is just fiction but the world is big, very Many minds, many ideologies, always require good writing, especially on problematic topics, if you were to create a story what would it be about?
Twitter is living proof that some people go though life only seeing the bad side of things. The entire point of Rudy’s journey is for him to grow as a person and become better than he was in his previous life. Instead of appreciating that journey we have clowns like this trynna bring a brother down any chance they get 😑
I thought the point/theme of the show is to accept your faults and move on
@@RUFFYIwagon-vm4jb well yeah, that’s what Rudy’s journey embodies at the end of the day
No twitter proves and chibi proves you people are weirdo's who actually ROOT for a character that suffers absolutely no consequences to his actions.
@@peppermint3808that not the point of the show wtf
@@peppermint3808listen I want to tell you this now that this is a frictional show do not question someone's morality based on what they f******watch people love Killers and rapest in anime but that doesn't mean their bad because it fake and it's not meant to be taken seriously like wtf
These people are not in the least fan of anime. They only watched them for clout.
"watched" hi are you new here? You don't have to watch something to repeat what other people said about it silly.
I completely agree that these people are weird and there's never any reason to shame somebody for enjoying a series. The K-pop star Made in Abyss incident comes to mind lol. But on the flipside I think MT fans take their series way too seriously and they really don't do themselves any favours by how aggressively they try to defend it. Like I really don't like Mushoku Tensei because I just really don't like Rudy or any of the sexual elements. I really do believe it would be a better series without it. But I gave it a fair shot, I watched all of season 1 and decided I didn't like it. But what really ticks me off is MT fanboys will scream at me that I just didn't understand the show or the characters and if I did there's no way I would complain about any of it. So can't we just all cool our engines and get along?
Agreeable take
I think the most that I'm surprised on when someone shits on the show is about Rudy and his Ed, I mean that's really no joke for dudes that go through with that, and then ones that were shiting on him the most was actually male audiences you would think they would be more sympathetic towards Rudy since you know guys would understand what other guys are going through but apparently not.
Bro I'm not going to be sympathetic to a guy a view as scum it's like saying tge sex offenders loss everything in life so we should be sympathetic to him
Because most guys aren't sex offenders, Rudeus is everything men don't want to be seen as even if some struggles may be relatable he is no where near the type of person anyone would want to associate with in real life.
Tbh, i also hate the aspects MT decides to put its focus on and i personaly can't stand Rudeus as a character, but this person at the start doesn't seem to be able to draw a line between fiction and reality.
this is actually hilarious. I have watched a lot of anime, read a lot of light novels and manga, played many visual novels over the decades. mushoku tensei is WAY up there with the story writing and character development. these tourists are a joke.
Neo Nazi sounds cool, like a futuristic terrorist terminator type thing, I don’t know I just never took it seriously and it does have a certain ring to it
“The Neo Nazi”, sounds kinda badass ngl
“Neo Nazi chronicles”
“Tales of the Neo Nazi”
Alt-right is another cool sounding one too, like an evil organization manipulating everything from the shadows, like SERN if you know where I’m coming from
Maybe I’m just weird
i think youre just a nazi tbh, follow your leader
Goodness it feels like bait
Here we are as readers and anime watchers enjoying great stories while people tell us to live in reality, but at the same time those same people who take fictional characters seriously are the ones who need to tell the difference between fiction and reality
Yes, I am horrible and I freaking love it.
Funny thing is MT made me realize that I was piece shit to the point I actually turned my life around that’s why I concidee it to be the greatest story ever told
You aren't a terrible person if you like Mushoku Tensei. You are a terrible person if you think Rudeus Greyrat is a good person, even at the end of his arc. He's crap all the way through, he just develops more confidence and social skills. It's fine to enjoy the story, as long as you understand that Rudy never becomes a good person. If you think otherwise, you are taking his moral failings onto yourself.
Lol You missed the whole point of Moshuko Tensei. It was always about second chances in life. Old perverted Rudy is dead and the new Rudy is growing to have a normal life having wife, children and things he never experienced before on his previous lifetime.
Why so salty if a person like Rudy deserves a new life?? People just reeks insecurity.
@@naknampucha5236nah you reek of weirdness
Agree
@@naknampucha5236 I actually agree with you about MT being about getting a second chance to get what he wanted. But many viewers think that he wanted to become a good person and achieved it. He didn't want that, nor did he become that. He got the love and respect he had craved, but didn't really deserve them.
@@ralphyoung6032 i agree with you. If you look at it with a moral compass, Rudeus 100% doesnt deserve the shit he gets in his second life due to his actions in his past life. But this show isnt about justifying Rudeus's actions nor "redeeming" him in the sense of being a typical goody shoes. Rudeus doesnt have a heroic objective to his second life, unlike most MCs in the genre. This show is about how people CAN change, no matter how bad they were, and its showecased by other characters in the show too (e.g Paul, Zanoba, Pax, etc). Wether you forgive their past actions comes back to each person.
i dont hate mushoku tensei but i dont like the constant weird stuff in it i like mushou tensei for story and its the reason isekai is so popular
At least we have good taste in anime heh.
Wow, don't let these people know about Redo of healer.
If you don't like some fictional story because of its controversial topics and can't enjoy it, it's fine. You can stop watching it. But don't judge the people in real life just because they enjoy that fictional story. It's that simple.
The pedophilia things is always strange to me. There are plenty of stories where someone is reincarnated with past life memories, and the romances they indulge in are never shamed. I also can't count how many immortal vampire romances I've found where the main male protagonist is hundreds of years the females elder. I think the only thing that makes Mushoku Tensei more talked about is the perversion or ecchi. I was under the impression that was an open character flaw that they address and use to build his character into a better person though. ...
Maybe, I mean maybe…. it’s because of Rudy having sex with a minor? And his inner older voice monologue definitely doesn’t help in people forgetting the fact that he is a pathetic 30 year old.
throughout Mushoku and tensei i alone am the terrible one
People keep talking about how he gets rewarded for his awful behavior, like dude where in the show does that happen? Almost every time he’s perverted people look at him and treat him like a weirdo or he gets punched out by Eris. There’s one scene where he realizes he fucked up and begs Eris to forgive him, then when she reluctantly does he’s all the more grateful that she did. The characters and the audience all know that Rudeus’ behavior is bad and how he grows out of that is literally part of his character development. Then when it came to anything sexual actually happening to him he was almost never the one who initiated it. I mean shit if you think Rudeus is bad just see what Eris does to him later on in the light novel…
Mushoku Tensei isn’t an “incel power fantasy”, it’s more of a “incel goes through hardship and struggles so he can be rehabilitated into society as a respectable person fantasy”
incel needs to be reincarnated as attractive blonde guy to fix his problem. in other words its never began for incels.
Reminder about that one moment, though. Rudeus fucked up on his 10th birthday with his actions towards Eris by being too hands on and he apologizes on his knees. That was actually the moment where Eris started to fall for him, as it was the moment she realized he was more that just some pervert, since he just realized his mistake. That's why before she went to her room that night, she made a promise with him to pick up where they just left off on his 15th birthday (then she pushed herself on him a little over 2 years early). This is the only time he's really "rewarded" for his perverted behavior (I don't count him being horny af after marriage unless he DOES something) and it's because he appropriately backpedaled.
Also, Eris started sniffing Rudeus' underwear around the time they were in Wind Port because she caught Rudeus doing it to hers and brought it up in a party meeting with Ruijerd, revoking Rudeus' laundry duty. So it's not even things Eris does later in the LN, she's already done some things (though you could argue she did it out of curiosity after seeing Rudeus do it).
Some people can't separate the enjoyment of fictional media from people's desires in life and that's infinitely more disgusting than liking a show that follows a character like Rudeus. At the same time, a lot of the same people don't have the media literacy to parse through secondhand information accurately and don't bother to even figure it our for themselves. I doubt those people can understand the subtext, anyways.
You know what this gives me a vibe of? People who have neither had any sort of meaningful relationship with anyone and hate anyone or anything that reminds them of the fact that they didn't.
Yet none of this controversy surrounds Breaking Bad who's main character kills countless people as well directly causing the death of his own family members and abuses and emotionally blackmails his wife into being complicit in his actions. The only reason he gets a pass and Rudeus doesn't is because of the sexual nature of his character flaws and the perceived sexual agenda of the author for certain story elements(Note I said *PERCIEVED* sexual agenda).
Stories about characters who are flawed are more interesting than those without. Watching characters make wrong or morally questionable choices and then having to deal with the consequences is where these shows derive a lot of their tension. Just because Rudeus's flaws are sexual in nature makes it feel gross to a lot of people, which is perfectly fine, but that does not mean you can say I'm a bad person for enjoying the show because then that same logic can be applied for people who like Breaking Bad, which isn't exactly few in number.
Me enjoying the show doesn't mean I agree with the character's actions, and me not agreeing with the characters actions doesn't mean I dislike the author for writing it that way or that I believe the author has some sort of weird fantasy where he wishes he was the main character. Fucking get over yourselves and let me enjoy my media.
Also, side note: Another reason this gets a lot of hate is because Isekai has a reputation for being a self insert fantasy, so when a show like this comes out where the main character has sexual desires surrounding underaged girls, people automatically assume that the people who watch it only watch it to self insert simply because it is an Isekai and therefore, everyone who watches it fantasies about having sexual relationships with young girls. To these people I say: What the fuck are you smoking and where can I get some because that seems like a really good high with how far up your own ass you are. I know this is gonna sound crazy, but bear with me here: THIS IS NOT A SELF INSERT FANTASY. I know, I know, it may seem hard to believe considering it has all the basic elements like how the main character gets to leave his sad pathetic life behind, and then become someone new where he's now super strong, but you're missing a few key details:
1: Despite his new "Magic Prodigy" status, he his STILL just as sad and pathetic as he was in his previous life despite how much he wants to convince himself he's not.
2: Rudeus's previous life isn't forgotten about, it continuously comes to haunt him and it takes actual effort for him to overcome his past trauma.
3: THE STORY ACTIVELY SHAMES RUDEUS'S ACTIONS AND MINDSET, LIKE HOW THE HELL CAN YOU THINK THIS IS GLORIFYING ANYTHING HE DOES????
When he first tries to have sex with Eris, she beats him and it almost ruins their relationship, he literally has an internal monologue wondering how he could be so stupid and try to do something so horrible to her, and finally when he DOES do it later in the story when they both thought they were ready, the author very explicitly shows that this was a bad choice through its consequences. IT LITERALLY GIVES HIM ED FROM THE TRAUMA THAT TAKES YEARS TO CURE. Heck, it almost causes him to commit die(I know this is pretty silly phrasing, but this comment will get flagged if I say anything more explicit). Every time he does something explicitly wrong due to his previous perspective of how sex works, it has massive ramifications to show him why his previous mind set was wrong.
This story isn't some power fantasy for you to project yourself into, it's a story about a guy with messed up world views given a second chance learning why those world views are wrong and why he needs to use this second chance to change, and I not only think that makes an interesting story, but is also actually pretty inspiring. I may not directly relate to Rudeus's world views, but I can relate to having done something wrong that I didn't initially realize was wrong and coming to regret it later. I guess in a weird way, that does make this a self insert, not because the main character gets to live his life the way he wants or doesn't have to work hard, but one the main character gets a second chance to work hard at becoming a better person.
Last short little side note: Explanation point made a video about why he doesn't like Mushoku Tensei and that's perfectly ok, most of his points are valid, but there is one argument I'd like to correct. He says something along the lines of "It's ok to have a flawed main character, but when every single argument for the show starts with 'he gets better I swear,' then you've gone too far." I'd like to say that my argument for why the show is good isn't that "the main character doesn't stay a bad person forever," my argument is that "the main character learning to not be a bad person is the whole point of the show." The show shows Rudeus as a completely awful person with a horrible mindset so you can appreciate the steps he has to take to overcome it.
Essay finished, hope I get a good grade.
bro wrote literal thesis.u sound pathetic as them ngl.
Ah yes, my favorite self insert fantasy: *Erectile Dysfunction*
my favorite self insert fantasy:getting reincarnated as attractive blonde guy.
this anime is ultimate blackpill
How tf did my meme reply to my own comment get more likes than my actual comment?
@@QWERTY-gp8fd I'm gonna be honest, I have no clue what that means.
We the "terribles" stand together. Strength in numbers everyone. We know how to pick good shows considering the state of US entertainment nowadays.
ironic that the people who say those things often look and act the same ways Rudy does in his previous life. How miserable does you life have to be to the point where you have to constantly talk about the things you don't like rather than the things you do
I will say this tho, if you like Mushoku Tensei then you're probably a loser ... a loser who is striving to become a better version of yourself because you understand you have flaws. People who hate Mushoku Tensei on the other hand, is also losers ... just ... without any redeeming personality and is delusional enough to think of yourself as flawless
One thing I found about people who say things like this their no better than the haters because you are trying to say because I hate something it must hit too close to home.When in reality you know the character is flawed and see why people hare him but because you found some redeemable trait about him that doesn't excuse his actions so you keep riding his coattails and saying he changed when in reality he is a piece of shot who cheated on his wife and ya'll justify it by saying she seduced him he was grieving not their are no excuses for cheating and these so called well written females are just like the girls of every other harem anime they don't care if their husband's cheat and the cheater rudeus faced no reprocussions rudeus is still a bad person and when you have to loop your haters in the same circle you see yourself in because you refuse to acknowledge rudeus is still a bad person.Lisen I don't hate rudeus because of how I see myself I hate rudeus because he is the epitome of human scum that's still scuk at the end of the series yet ya'll are convinced he changed.Rudeus never faced any reprocussions in his life yet the only argument you all have us that hus actions weren't glorified when people stood by and watched him be scum.It's like yes the sex offenders never faced any reprocussions but his actions were never glorified despite people standing by and watch him assault those girls.
I have no doubt in my mind antis hate the latest episode more than any other before it, just because they can see Rudy so happy with the love of his life in a normal relationship of mutual love.
That's a good thing, keep hating happy couples.
I love Mushoku Tensei.
"with none of the consequences"
And just like that I immediately know this person hasn't seen the anime.
what negative consequences does he face for tying up the 2 beast girls?
@@Bobby___. Tying up the 2 beast girls is the consequence. Them breaking his treasure and bullying Zanoba is the cause.
Even a child could see that. You have to be mentally stunted to not realize that.
@@Bobby___.Not everything gets consequences after each action made.
Plus he ties them because they still haven't received punishment from breaking his roxy figure.
@@Re_Vbut he didn’t have to grope them lmfao.
That scene was not that problematic but the scene where he touch Eris while she sleeps is where people are enough of this shit. And then author play off as a joke for that scene. He suffered no consequences for that either.
@@jakeoriental8847 your uncle didn't get consequences when he groped you in the shower, why would it be any different for some random anime character?
The fact is that nobody is perfect and this is an anime of a character who throughout hardwork manages to become a better person not perfect but better and it’s kind off nice to have a character who has this kind of depth not like other characters who are one dimensional
Terrible person, not necessarily. At very least liking it doesn't make you one. But you sure do have a poor taste if you praise it to high heavens.
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@@Random0987-l1cYeah, I am never gonna say something fictional is “THE BEST THONG EVER AAARAAAH FUCK YOU IF YOU DONT LIKE IT.”
I’ll say a story is good and what I like and don’t like, explain things or have them explained to me.
Stuff like that, simple discussions and it isn’t some perfect thing.
when real life people envy fictional characters for acting more human than them
I am not on you on this one, Rudeus IS the adult in any situation. The fact is. He should never had any relationship with non adult in his new life. He was not taken advantage of, he took advantage of Eris (obviously lying to her about his actual age) because he was always the one with power within their relashionship (training her. She looked to him as a mentor, he was always "mature"), as much as you like the serie. Going on defending Rudy on this point is pointless and straight up shows how much victim blaming is easy.
Though I would add people on twitter always read too much into subtext w/o appreciating the literacy, I won't blame people that hate on this anime because I too, have been shocked.
While I am a big weeb and still like it a lot, I even started watching the manga because I liked it that much, but that's because I can write these abstractions in my head that enable me to continue the serie for other reasons.
Sorry, english is not my first language
He always thinks first, that's why he always seems like the one in charge. But because he couldn't do anything against the ones who doesn't listen to him, he steps back and change(Eris is stronger than him on physical prowess, so even if you think he's the one in power, the decision falls onto Eris's permission).
I like your comment, but he wasn't even acknowledging how people sees him as, he's arrogant because he thinks Eris is arrogant and that he's better. But when she shows emotions like fear and sadness, he got thrown off balance. He didn't think much of others because he thinks they're too arrogant or stupid, yet he stays when he sees them being afraid. He doesn't know how to communicate, he got his composure because others are in more distress than him.
I mean, he became a loser because he did what he thinks is the right thing.
Thanks I was waiting for someone to walk about it. The amount of shit people bring up missing the whole point of show astonishes me
???: I have a mission for you, Rifujin.
Rifujin Magonote: What is it, master?
???: Create a novel series, call it... Mushoku Tensei.
*a man steps out of the shadows*
Jeffrey Epstein: Do not disappoint me... Son.
Taking hate seriously from people that haven't watched a show is as logical as taking praise for a show someone hasn't watched seriously. The correct thing to do is to ignore the idiots and move on.
people getting mad at a flawed character on a journey to be a better person and it taking a long time, unlike these twitter losers perfect OP isekai MC who has all of zero problems or issues with their character
They get mad because they themselves are incapable of taking said journey to become a better person so they choose to stay the way they are(or actively become a worse person) and try to drag everyone else down with them. That's these twitter nutjobs in a nutshell.
@@dennishiestermann3055well my reasons for not liking rudeus is my disdain for sex offenders in general mass murder yes I may watch that retention story bit ain't now way I'm watching a story that shows sa offenders can change
@@animeuploader4992 Must be hard going through life not being able to tell apart fiction from reality. But don't worry you won't be missed. The reality is that every time mushoku tensei is getting discussed on twitter by these folks it's pretty much alway 80-90% lies from people that neither watched the show nor read the source material. And this time is no different.
And lets be real here if the only take away you get from Mushoku tensei as a story is that "sex offenders" can change then you're just being disingenuous much like all those twitter nutjobs.
I resonated with MT because I was a terrible person then, but MT made me realize that despite that I could do better and redeem myself despite my mistakes.
The problem
Is people are not used to seeing a flawed main character. They're not used to seeing a character who is selfish or self absorbed.
They are too used to characters who are super goody goody or who have a hero complex.
This is a story of a person who is down in the dumps, being able to rise up and become a better person.
These are the same people who would not be able to handle a bad guy for a main character.
This is one of the reasons.I believe that many of these same people didn't like Bleach. Ichigo was not seeking the approval of other people. He was already grounded and they're not used to character like him.
The level of literacy is truly lacking..
Hes not a flawed main character.
Being a literal pedophile does not make you ANYTHING of a flawed person.
it makes you a literal FACKING monster.
maybe they should stop watching anime until they are 18 years old 😂
bruh hes not just flawed hes irredeemable mans a groomer
I hate to say it, but this is when you can start to see people that really need to grow up a little bit. I do not say this in a negative way, I say this in a how many of the people that are complaining are probably under the age of 30. ( don't get mad at me for this one, I am just saying that life experience does have an impact on the thought process of which people might perceive things and some of these things sound like people that might not have experienced a lot of things.) But then again everybody is entitled to their opinion, it just feels like people that are basically shouting because they don't want anybody else's opinion to matter but their own
it's understandable, MT is a story about growing up and be a better person than you were/despite your past
there is no such thing in twitter, these twitter users WILL dig up story from your past and use it against you if they don't like you, whether or not you've changed.
Rudy WAS a bad person, but it wasn't really his fault to begin with. He got bullied because of his hobby, of his appearance and it made him a shut in. He didn't get to mentally grow up and have social interactions. He glorified sex and treat it very poorly just like any immature person would do; so the first few times he gets to interact with girls it's very creepy
and he's not a PDF, he's a childish pervert, he drools over ANY women because again; in his previous life he didn't get to grow up because he got bullied
he groped his maid, he drool over his own mother even, Eris's mother, Ghislaine and so many more
to him Sylphie/Eris was just another girl, he didn't like them because they looked like a kid.
people that say Rudy is a PDF only looked at things at surface value, which is very sad.
Oh my God bro how many times will I tell people just because you were bullied at fourteen it doesn't give you the right to be a bad person I don't like rudeus's journey because it shows just because I suffered it means I'm allowed to be bad he was literally beating hus meat to his ten year niece in his pass life tgey retconned it.Meaing that they are trying to see what tgey can make a Character get away with while still being trash but can be redeemed my problem is even after all that he's still a bad
@@animeuploader4992lol l opinion
See, here in Brazil, some of us are going insane over the possibility that X is gonna get banned from the country, but then i see hot takes like this one and i don't feel that bad about it.
Not gonna throw buzz words. I quit watching the first season after one scene where his uncle is assaulting the maid who is crying as he does it ( and runs off crying) and the MC just acts like this is normal and it is just glossed over. Nothing said nothing done. That kind of scene is a plague, it's almost become a troupe in anime and I can think of a half dozen where there are scenes like that. Only a few where the MC does anything about it and justice is gotten for the victims. Yes it's fiction, yes it's a story. People watch what they want. The cliche saying garbage in garbage out comes to mind for me. Anime that treats the subject like it is normal, just part of everyday life is to me garbage. See up until that scene I was enjoying the Anime. Go ahead tell me how wrong I am, how crazy I am etc.
Youre talking in the tower with the grandfather and the maid? She wasn't crying and she ran off because they were interrupted. How do you know she was being assaulted? Also the reason he doesn't mention it is because that is the Head of the Family and thats a Maid their station is so far beneath thinking and that is the world they are in its simple this is how our world was. You cant expect to be transported to another world and then force your morals on them thats like some white savior shit.
He can't just be like 'i know what you're doing and it's bad", doesn't help anything other than "i saw this happened"
@@LilPale YT deleted my original comment but also why would he risk his standing for a maid? Like he could be (extremely unlikely) sent to jail or death for speaking against a head of family. People really dont understand what being transported to another world means anymore and love to put their morals into everything.
@@Torbarian They literally just see Rudeus and keeps saying "He shouldn't do that" and then get angry when he doesn't do what they want him to, as if he can hear them.
@@LilPale Its even more wild is that they have never experienced a story like this and they rather just "ban" it then either read the full story for context or wait for it to all be out and then judge it. Judging things in parts is so absurd to me personally
Wow…. Just wow. How many times must we say this? It’s crazy.
I really don't care if they think I'm a terrible person, what matters is the people who like me.
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