Mushoku Tensei Just Exposed The Biggest Flaw in Isekai
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- Опубліковано 20 кві 2024
- The author of Mushoku Tensei Jobless Reincarnation just exposed one of the biggest flaws with Isekai Light Novels and Anime. We desperately need more stories to focus on the main character wanting to return to Japan.
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Can't get over that scream....
Although I love voice actors in Mushoku Tensei... they always look as they are in a studio (I know they are, but should be like that?)... for me is the only thing that I don't like.
@@flaviuspoaI lost brain cells reading this ngl 😂
@@LostConcept_ It's ok you not the only one. Or maybe I'm just really slow ;-;
Reminds me Rudy’s PTSD. These VA’s are putting their vocals to work 😮💨
Did Rudeus laid her or something?
Imagine isekai actually showing their characters missing their own world. Mushoku continues its weekly dosage of peak.
Mc in Final Fantasy tactics advance the whole game was "Yo this is fake we have families to go back to."
Re Zero. Plus, usually it's either like Kazuma or Ainz or Cid Kagenou where he doesn't miss his previous life, Tanya etc whose dead already, or the case like Seirei Gensouki where it's more inheriting memories of someone (assumedly of a previous life) but the character themselves have a life in this other world.
That said my impression of when someone say "trash" isekai is the niched, stereotypical mass produced one and idk much about those series.
My guess remains of either they don't miss their previous life (should be talked about already in early ep), is already dead (from first ep already talked about, but ig usually MC 's thoughts weren't delved as deep and developments after won't discuss it anymore cause addressed early on), or abnormal mentality.
Though my assumption of Isekai is less of the forced transfer-based now that I think bout it. Idk much bout forced transfer stuffs other than Arifureta (nothing else at the top of my head). In Arifureta MC had no choice but do his best to survive right after transfer, then he seeks a way back home after becoming powerful and escaping from the clutches of corrupt kingdom.
This has always been the main premise of every Isekais in the 80th - 90th. This but this is nothing new.
@@NuttachaiTipprasert yeah we're talking about modern isekai, old anime is great but we can't keep living in the past to look for new heights
@@onebear6504In re zero's case,it's more like Subaru has been through much worse to break down because of being separated from his family.
His death from the great rabbit is among the most horrifying anime deaths I've seen.It's something that should be in those old 80's ,90's anime like Akira or Devilman crybaby not an isekai.
You can't blame her she was living out her life unlike Rudeus just to have it ripped away from her by some random person anyone would feel her pain right now
I haven’t read the ln’s but I wonder if he will realize she is the person he gave his life for(Edit: remembered this entirely wrong, it would be the other way around, Nanahoshi finding out about Rudy)
@@sf936 ?
@@sf936i'm pretty sure he literally recognized her in the anime when he met her.
@@sf936Rudeus has mentioned it multiple times in both season 2 parts 1+2, what are you talking about? Did mean to say Nanohoshi finding out?
@@WeebShinobi huh, must have missed it/also might have forgotten since it’s been a while since part 1/No wait maybe I’m high and I did actually meant the other way around, Nanahoshi finding out as you said
Normally, isekai protagonists have nothing left to go back to....
Yep and I wish we had the opposite
@ChibiReviews theoretically we have shield hero, but that fell off...
@@NieonBusterfell off really hard
@ChibiReviews It's a trend because I believe it resonates with many watchers.
Why would the anime industry change what it's their biggest and easiest guaranteed success into something that might not be financially profitable?
I also think it should change, but I believe many in the industry still feel this way.
@@ChibiReviewsisekai is a religion at this point. If you ever read Oswald Spengler when civilization reaches it's endgame strange new new belief systems always appear because the society is rotting away and older beliefs no longer work or are incompatible with the modern age. Isekai is a religion of right wing men mostly wanting to flee the oppression of the current system. A counter to feminisim you could say also in some aspects also.
Then you have the praeterism that believes in tartaria and that Jesus already ruled earth for 1000 years and left us with the devil during his parole from hell and we are all left behind losers in his little season. With elites rewriting history and destroying old world buildings to cover it up.
That's where isekai originally started. Like every isekai was originally about trying to get back home.
Yeah old isekai tend to be like that
Now none of them want to go back. Either because they died and so are reincarnated back or their life before was so bad they don't want to return.
Heck "getting sent back home before the quest finished" became a thing for that reason
@@arnowisp6244 To be honest, most modern isekais are only isekais because it sells, and no other resaon. I mean you could take the first part of the first episode out and it would just be a fantasy. It's gotten so bad that some people think that Anos was isekaied just because he was reincarnated, it's in a fantasy, and he's op, even though he was reincarnated into his *own* world. At this point, most people just think isekai is, "what I wish my life was, because I'm unhappy with it".
And how many of those old isekai are still talked about? I doubt many if people need to be told isekai were like that before.
This episode should have been called
Nanahoshi far from home
Nanahoshi no way home
dang
@@jacquesjervis3910 accurate
The episode is named afar for a reason.
@@jacquesjervis3910that will be Nanahoshi last Episode "Nanahoshi No Way Home", if she becomes so old the next scene is she's already in her death bed, and she with Rudeus still not able to create the Otherworldly Travel Spell.
Nanahoshi follows the isekai of old. Isekais like Escaflowne, Fushigi Yuugi, etc where the main character is all about getting back home. Whereas Rudeus follows this newest breed of isekai where the character wishes to stay or totally ok with the world. Old isekais the people had powers just like they do now what is interesting is that old isekais were mostly all girls while this new breed of isekais have been guys. These 2 characters represent the dichotomy of the 2 separate isekai styles.
I’m sure if Rudeus had something to go back to he’d definitely want to go back. But either way he got the better end of the stick while Nanahoshi can’t even enjoy the world whatsoever due to how she was brought over
He should have put her mask back on her to keep her persona up I didn’t like that part but love this show the contrast to Rudy is epic. Nanahoshi really going through it
Do remember that rudeus died and was reborn, it’s not the same as being summoned forcefully
@@alphathefinalbalance7611 Yes. That makes it very different for him. He can't go back because he doesn't exist in the old world anymore.
remember that good old isekai story is about find a way to going back home not find harem in slave market.......
Agreed, I want more isekai to ask questions like:
"How does this affect the individual, or the individuals friend's and families?"
"How would the summoners react when they're hit with the realization that they're ruining lives when summoning people?"
I’ve had isekai ask that last question before, but usually it turns out the summoners are evil and want to use the heroes for their own ambitions.
Like Shield Hero or Arifureta.
Sometimes not even evil, but simply not caring about the summoned, and not thinking about how being abducted like this feels, with no possibility of return.
@@Mousse9Even if they weren't evil, they should be in a Desperate Circumstance if they were willing to go this far.
@@arnowisp6244 We can’t handle this problem, so we’re going to abduct a stranger who can, or d*e trying, for his abductors. Oh, and he can’t go back home, ever.
@@Mousse9 like I said. Desperate if they are going to do this.
Last part will never be acknowledged, they don’t give a fuck unless they are to be sent back once their quest is done lol, that aside I would find it intriguing to see how Subaru’s parents are dealing with his disappearance…
I think the secret sauce to Mushoku Tensei is that the story follows Rudy, but the author treats him as just a single character in the story of the world. So you end up with all of these different characters like Nanahoshi who have their own conflicts, motivations, and circumstances which all play into the story of the world at large (like with her introducing many technologies), but by following Rudy we only really see the immediate impact they have on the people around them.
the funny thing is,wile the story does treat rudy as a main character,in the grand scheme of mushoku story he is a side character,hes important yes,but hes not the lead
He’s basically a stepping stone for the actual plot that won’t happen until after his time. He’s Bilbo Baggins from the Hobbit.
@@KhanMann66 That is actually what i said in other forums, it is like mt is the hobbit and the future title is the lord of the rings. i am glad i am not the only who sees this. :D
EdIt: I also just realised: The Old Tiles side stories are basically like the Similariton too. :D
I'll always say this.
Rudy isn't much of a good character. All the other characters carry MT.
That just how most of stories should have written. Many author instead creating a self-insert character and THEN write the story around them.
6:20 "Nanahoshi is just and ordinary girl"
!SPOILERS!
(mild backstory spoilers)
To this point in the story Nanahoshi has started a very successful trade organization, she can spend all her time doing research at university because she's effectively a billionaire, but she absolutely could not care less about anything in this world so that means nothing to her.
There is a manhwa about a similar topic. An isekai protagonist returns home only to be hated and to learn his life was ruined by being isekaid. He ends up turning into the villain and making the human world a post apacolypse. It also does the reverse isekai in bringing magic to this world. It is called Hero has Returned.
There’s a another one where a teenage girl who returned from isekai comes back few years later where it’s hard for her to go back into society but eventually get her life on track and had a family but this time in her older age her old party comes to her World to have her save the world again but this time she refuses to go back
@@HORIZON00236 Name?
It's called "Return of Hero". I was gonna post about that. Glad to see others have read it. It really is interesting. If you ARE able to return from an isekai, how would the world treat you? You've been missing for a year or more, people think you died, the SYSTEM thinks you're dead, you have no money, no home, maybe loved ones are dead, etc.
Just want to add, Doctor Who only addressed this topic in the first episode of David Tennant's run (Season "2" episode 1). Rose ran off with the Doctor at the end of season, but when she and the Doctor returned it was a year later (miscalculation by the Doctor). Rose's mom thought she had been kidnapped or murdered. Rose's boyfriend, Mickey, was held in jail for a while as the prime suspect in her disappearance. And he knew NOBODY was going to believe a story about Rose running into a blue police box and then just vanishing into thin air. Overall, just disappearing like that will wreck havoc on the lives of those left behind.
@@CinemaKingTheaters Hero Has Returned fell of chapter 70+, the main character changes and it's just another "Subaru". the difference is that "subaru" came out of nowhere, the author didnt gave him enough introduction so the reader can care about him. Hence the main premise also shifts from revenge to peace seeking by death? I kinda regret investing my time reading that manhwa tbh.
The main characters hardly ever get isekai'd with literally nothing to tie them to the other world. They tend to always arrive with something. Like a skill, a blessing or another person who acts as a guide and are usually born into privilege, like as a hero or an aristocrat. And when that happens they are basically remade to naturally exist in that new world.
Nanahoshi got literally none of this. She was teleported in her current state, zero changes were made to her and she was just dropped in the new world. Like a rabbit being dropped into a world full of wolves.
As fantasical as the new world is, Nanahoshi simply cannot engage with it in the same way that everyone else does, so she doesn't even have the option to adapt to her new surroundings because the new surroundings have basically rejected her from the start.
So yeah, I'd want to go home too and write off that world as a bad dream.
These were my thoughts exactly when I watched the scene. It was powerful and I couldn't help but feel bad for her. Her situation would be significantly better if she manifested w/ something relevant to the world. Instead she's just a fish out of water. Anyone would be driven mad under those circumstances.
Mushoku tensei is the only series I could actually take serious because everything the mc and sc do always have a consequence later on
like that with the beast girls 😂
The profile speaks for itself
Uh ya he doesn't suffer consequences with his actions. Also I dont know how you can say Subaru from Re:zero suffers no consequences.
but please. Show me where he had consequences molesting woman.
@@peppermint3808 Hater alert! This narrative of "Rudy has to redeem himself" needs to stop. Among haters it is the primary reason why they completely fail to understand MT. The story is about Rudy getting a second chance at life and overcoming his traumas. That is a LONG and DIFFICULT process and it, like in real life, has RELAPSES. Using a relapse of Rudy as an example of "him not developing as a character" is simply *diotic. Look at how Rudy is in the current point of the anime. NOBODY can argue, that he hasn't changed. It just took him quite some time.
Simply punishing Rudy for his wrongdoings would not have helped him, since it would not have adressed the underlying psychological cause of his misconduct. You need to grow up and understand, that MT is not a story for children! It's not a fairy tale, where everyone just "does the right thing", because they are "good people". And it certainly isn't a power fantasy either; the finale of this cour will finally do away with that myth among haters like you.
@@juliangiersbach6983 So, you're still gonna ignore the fact, that Linia and Pursena were notorious bullies? Not, that it excuses Rudy's acts, but one could argue, that THEY also faced the consequences for THEIR previous actions in that episode. Unless, of course, you consider this to be a completely different case, because....they are females. Don't forget, Linia and Pursena are super priviledged! They are actually royalty an the university COULDN'T expell them, because of that, so they faced no consequences for their delinquent behaviour.....until Rudy showed up.
Food for thought. Drinky for thinky.
This was such a well thought out contained short story within this episode. Bravo mushoku tensei and bravo chibi for recognizing the great writing
Thank you very much
Ascendance of a bookworm does fairly well in its own way. It doesn't show her put a lot of time into trying to go back but it does her break down about her previous life a few times
Myne gets a sort of closure in a way when her memories are investigated by Ferdinand, and she's able to interact with her mother and tell her she loved her. Even if it was only in her own mind, the psychological impact it has on her to just give her that moment was really well done. Also, Bookworm is my favorite story in fiction right next to Mushoku Tensei.
shame the anime turn into like a morning kid show level. where in the Novel and Manga (Comic Corona adaptation), have a strong seinen genre with slight lighthearted theme
99% of isekai protagonists died before being snatched. That one percent are not accepting that there is no way home. Nanohoshi is really the first character that brokedown. The only other that comes to mind is Naofumi he wants to go back, but he is priortizing that he needs to insure the safety of world first over finding his way home. At the same time his commitment to go home is slipping.
Something that should be take into account to yes,
several of those "isekai tensei" like Rudius have no option to return as they basically died.
even God couldn't give the option for them to go back to their already dead body.
born in new body with all the self-awareness, or reincarnated into something else?
not hard choice for many people who have attachment to life.
At least one of those dead isekai protags actually does get to go back home though he died in his original world
(Touya from isekai Smartphone gets to go home and takes his 9 wives with him as a honeymoon of sorts.)
Hajime from Arifureta does want to go back too.
Almost reminds me of Log Horizon. There were several arcs exploring the idea of people missing their home world.
I seriously miss Log Horizon
Unfortunately the LN still stuck because the author got jailed
@@kaekaeoshi69 lol what? why?
@@DellikkilleD tax evasion in 2016, the season 3 of anime serialization have story from vol. 12-14, and no news about the next volume until now (from 2018 until now). So fans deduced the author drop the novel
This was such a great episode despite all of the things that were left out from the LN. Nanahoshi's voice actor popped off. Mushoku does such a good job with its characters. Such real and relatable displays of human emotions. The ups and down of life, growing from them, bonds, depression, trauma, happiness etc etc. It's just so refreshing to see and experience. Absolute peak and no one will change my mind.
What things were left out from the LN in this episode if you don’t mind me asking?
@@jinust I'm an anime only, but ive been watching youtubers like chibi and Aninews, and one or two others who do cover whats been left out. I dunno if Chibi is okay with me telling you to go to another channel but I watched Aninews's latest livestream where he went over what was missed from the LN. you can search on youtube something like "Mushoku Tensei season 2 part 2 episode 2 what was left out of the LN" or just go to Aninews's livestream.
The biggest things that stood out to me i can tell you is he said Rudeus was the one who took care of Nanahoshi for the week. Not Sylphy. And Sylphy has a little jealousy for Nanahoshi due to her and Rudy having something in common (being Japanese) that she doesnt. Rudy was also the one who found the knife, not Sylphy.
Also, It's not shown much in the anime but Rudy is really trying to be a good husband to Sylphy. He makes more effort to do things but most of the time Sylphy just ends up wanting to do it because Rudy isnt great at doing house chores and the like. Thats why he asked her in the anime if there was anything he could do for her. He is making real effort, which is a shame it isnt shown fully in depth in the anime.
Lastly, Sylphy stays with Rudy once every three days. She is on guard duty full time, so the day she doesnt do guard duty, iirc Elinalise does it for her. She has no time to herself. All she does it eat, sleep, school, guard duty, house wife, repeat. That one night every three days she has time with rudy is when they make love etc.
A lot of small scenes, information, etc, is left out of the anime probably because of the "this is boring where's the action" crowd, so they have to rush it a bit. It slowly adds up and adds a lot to the story which is a shame. But I understand why. pacing is important and if they put everything in we'd never get anywhere.
Thats all i can remember on the top of my head that may be good to know. I'm sure theirs a lot more but as I said, i'm an anime only and remembering 3rd hand from a 3 hour livestream talking about it.
I strongly recommend after every episode you watch a youtuber who covers what was left out from the LN as it just adds so much to the story and fills in some holes.
Spoiler
Haah, depression, trauma.. Yeah, we gonna have a lotta that this season arent we?
Isekai is an escapist genre tbf.
It makes sense that the character/s original world is treated more like an afterthought and , usually, the character/s have no reason to *want* go back.
Sometimes its given a good reason like in Overlord where Ains's world was a dystopian mess or the character/s having an otherwise crappy life, but despite the characters having their own lives, once they switch over to the new world & life, they show no emotion for having lost that.
So its kinda nice that an isekai actually acknowledges how messed up it is for someone to have their life cut short or taken away so suddenly and be thrown into a world that is *way* more cruel and depraved
That's how I've always seen it too. A lot of the MC's are essentially shut-ins with nothing going on in their lives, so they really have nothing to go back to. Then they get their second lease on life, which really leans into the escapism. Plenty of people live with some kind of regret -- or wished a few things were different -- so that portion of it can be more relatable to viewers than someone wanting desperately to go back home.
It is so interesting to me how it used to be the standard that the people who got isekai'd wanted desperately to return home and that was usually the focus of the story but Mushoku Tensei was one of the stories that popularized the shift towards the character's embracing their new world, while it shows quite clearly how gut-wrenching being stuck in a world that isn't home. So many tropes were popularized in this show but just stripped of the nuance it had in this show.
That’s what happens when a sub genre or trope catches on, sadly. Then new ones come up in an attempt to challenge those ideas, and the process repeats.
To be fair Chibi, there are older Isekai's that do have the character goal to return to their home world. Digimon and inuyasha are old examples. The difference is how they set up the characters and the world they're in.
Also, you forgot to give Cliff and Zanoba their due credit.
Narnia could be that. Granted it's weird because they Protags do end up living in Narnia as Kings and Queens but then accidentally return, even age back to themselves when they left.
@@arnowisp6244it's the metaphor of people that were little more than kids that came back from War.
Yeah its funny how people forget Digimon is an isekai.
Modern isekai is way more of an escapist genre rather than a horror.
Inuyasha isn't Isekai, just time travel ❤
@@blksmagma was digimon ever an horror?
Nanahoshi doesn't deserve this
(Spoiler)
> He has a family and loved ones in the old world.
> She doesn't feel at home in her new world because of its depraved morals, especially since she lives in the 21st century.
> Since being in Isekai, she has a disease called "drain syndrome" which makes her body weak and vulnerable, because her body has no magic power or "mana" it becomes a poisonous figure for her body.
> May have a mental burden for the teleportation disaster that eliminated many lives.
> Has a heavy burden because it deals with the internal conflicts of that world or it can be said that it has a duty to save that world.
Rudy loves this world. He gets to molest woman and get away with it!
Meanwhile an actual good written character doesn't because she reflects back onto our world, not Rudy.
She at least deserves to go home because the Isekai tropes affect her too.
On top of that, she knows there's magic in this world but she has to learn everything from scratch... Including the language to learn it! Even then, she couldn't just up and go back because fk you, you don't get plot armor.
Digimon also techniqually qualifies as an isekai and the entire first season is literally about how they all want to return home. So its not that Mushoku Tensei does something new, it just brings back something that almost seems lost in Isekai, making the character feel human.
This is also why i like Re Zero in that it also focuses on the humanity of the characters as it has an entire episode focused on Subaru missing his home but also shows how and why he was able to accept that he might never go home again and accept to live his life in the new world.
And that’s why I hate happy go lucky MC’s.
Like they don’t even care about leaving everything behind and just go enjoy the new world like nothing ever happened.
And Nanahoshi’s mental state is beautifully animated.
May be because they died and realized they can't go back anymore and in many cases there new lives are a vast improvement from their old lives?
I don't know why you would hate mc's like that. If leaving everything behind is a huge improvement to your life, then why wouldn't you be happy
We need silly MCs and tragic MCs. Whether a protagonist should be silly or not depends on the setting and story.
This was such a beautiful episode for Nanahoshi,I can’t even imagine what would be like to be in a completely different world,away from everything you know and love…Shion Wakayama popped off with her performance in this episode,even the song cover for the ed is living rent-free in my head
"FFF class trash hero" - a comedic manhawa with a protagonist that just wants to come back home
Thanks! Sounds awesome to read
Well if we drop titles of ppl wanting to go back, there is Arifureta as well
he just want to use that sweet modern toilet
when i say this episode hit, it hit fr. no words, this show just hits different now that ive gotten past where i was in the novel
I remember in isekai ojisan, ojisan tried to go back home and did very dangerous stuff in an attempt to do just that. Like the dragon thing do as to create a spatial distortion or something.
Though its a more comedic series, its an example
that Uncle from another world? if so yeah, for all the laughs and goofs, it actually was a show.
*clears throat * Allow me to introduce you to a little story called "K`ll the Villainess" the way how this FL tries to go back home is both funny and tragic at the same time!
oh how i love that fl so much and she has her happy ending too aa
I LOVE THIS ONE SO MUCH
Like she literally has a panic attack and smashes a mirror because she can't even remember what her face looks like anymore
A good story that expressed the sadness about not being able to go back was The Saint's. Magical power is Omniscient. The character of the teenage girl was absolutely devastated that there was no way back for her, that she'd never been able to see her friends and family again.
I don’t think that is a flaw in Isekai. It’s all up to the author’s choice and what they want to focus on for their theme.
Most isekai act as if they were regular fantasy storys. Mushoku is the only isekai that feels like a regular fantasy story
@@yhwach1 I mean, most isekai just aren’t focused on that aspect, and that’s perfectly fine. It’s up to the author choice if they want to ,and plenty of authors just want to focus on the fantasy aspect and not IRL.
It is refreshing tho in this copy cat genre
@@yhwach1 most isekai covers the over power part of fantasy because those isekai protagonists didn't have the cheat skills they would be wanting to return back too.
@@yhwach1 Then you clearly don't know much good isekai of old if you think this is something new.
This reminds me of this upcoming isekai anime called isekai shikkaku or No Longer Allowed in Another World (from the creators of Love After World Domination, highly recommend it with the anime adaptation coming out in July this year) which questions the isekai system while none of the people that got isekai haven't said out loud that they want to go back to their old world, it's doesn't change the fact that a good chuck of them are perfectly miserable in the new world they were isekai to and knowing their backstories just shows that the world they were send to is no different than the miserable lives of their world. But after the MC gives them a lesson they are send back to their old world with their experience and new and improved selves. Basically like a good chuck of Westerns version of isekai: you go to a new world to learn a lesson and get transported back to your old world with your new found self and knowledge from your journey.
Nanahoshi's va literally showed really trauma.
Goddamn these VAs are getting real good.
On par with Subaru imho
Thought of Subaru as well
Subaru is a perfect point of comparison. It's extra heartbreaking that according to the author, his parents spend the rest of their lives searching for him in vain. LIKE WTF, TWIST THE KNIFE WHY DONCHA?!
@@GabeSweetMan That's sad to think about but also the logical conclusion. We've seen flashbacks of Subaru interacting with his dad and his dad seemed to really love him. Him disappearing suddenly must have been incredibly difficult for his parents to cope with.
Also Lois Griffin
Also Lois Griffin
to be honest, even though isekai's exciting... I'm sure most of us can agree that if we're nothing but ordinary people there, it's no different in living in the medieval ages, and what's more it's even dangerous. not to mention that if you have no interest in isekai stuff it's even worse. imagine getting transported in barbie world?? it's strange. i have this grand father who hates technology and spends most of his life either working or doing nothing. his place was like an another world. if you don't have a hobby that suits that another world you'll go insane. my hobby at the time was playing games, so just to pass time in a week in there, i was forced to either read a bunch of hand written books by him or do nothing, making me think how bigger my life used to be until i got there.
Rudeus took the blade. Think about that for a moment. Let's say that Rudeus and friends DIDN'T figure out something with the magic circles and Nanahoshi said "Just kill me." Should he oblige that request? Like he was about to do with Julie from before? Would it be right? I don't think so which is why he took the blade.
Arifureta is literally this. That is the entire plot. However, it’s the only one i can think of where the mc gives up completely on the new world does whatever it takes to return.
It’s pretty good, but i recommend reading the LN and web novel and the after stories for the web novel. There is little difference between them except LN cleans some stuff up. The anime is not that bad but could’ve been way better.
There’s actually a manwha I’m currently reading called, I Hold The Heart Of A Tyrant, that the MC died and was reborn in a new world, but she doesn’t accept it, and since childhood to adulthood researches magic to go back to our world. Her motive is her mother, who single-handedly raised her. She maintains a distance with her current family, and is struggling if she should accept the love of Male Lead because in her previous life, she was cheated on. The current chapter at the moment has recently revealed that there is a way to go back to our world and it’s a once and a life time opportunity because the event for it to happen is extremely rare.
I found this one good because like, Kill The Villainess, she’s searching and not giving up returning to the real world. But the way, I recommend reading, Kill The Villainess, because the MC does succeed returning to our world and the ML goes with her.
I think overlord does somewhat of a decent job with ainz dealing with it as well like throughout the show you see him learning to accept more and more that his friends from his prior life aren't coming back and he becomes more and more protective of the npcs since they're like the kids of the of his friends from the guild
Ainz is less trying to get to the rral world and more trying to avoid reality as much as possible.
At every point he could have ended his facade and simply set out to look for any other people sent to this world, pr cooperated with people that new it's history to help him.
Ainz however is building a safe-space he understands based on his own paranoia and delusions.
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I don't blame him though, its par for the course being a cooperate owned orphan slave living in a cyberpunk dystopia.
Heck, at least 3 lf his friemds have actually been offed by the government or corpos back in the real world right before this started.
I think Log Horizon also have something like this...
Some people kept dieing just to see memories of their old world.
Exposed is a huge reach and very disingenuous to the works that do considering, that on one side. You have protags and side characters that want to go home, and show the desperation of that. Then you have protags and side characters who prefer to stay in the world they was isekaied too. Just say you was impressed on how this anime portrayed it. 😂😂😂
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Great episode expressing her anguish and eventually a bit of hope gave her new focus at the end. But the biggest news, Chibi, is your boi is BACK! 😀
Damn I completely forgot to mention him cause of my Nanahoshi talk
? Isn't it depends on MC in the first place?
I think when it comes to thinking of past life, majority of isekai is either (or multiple)
1.) MC don't miss past life (but would, either briefly or in-depth, in future arcs revisit their psyche, typically after growth or at peace). Primary example is Re Zero but I think Konosuba too, No Game No Life, Overlord, Tensura, and probably a bunch i just don't remember rn cause I haven't read so far for the isekai novels that became anime.
2.) MC is dead. Well, i think most isekai is in here. From Tanya, Tensura, Otome Mob, all the way to Strongest Assassin (the one with same author as Redo of Healer), Death March, Isekai Smartphone, etc. Literally the truck kun meme. MC usually has regrets in past life but they now has a new life in here and isn't to spend time regretting everything, already dead anyways (though can go to (1) in revisit like Tensura ... I am being vague to not spoil). The past life is usually addressed already in early chapters/episodes. With the acceptance of death, MC usually has left their attachments of the previous life and pursues a new happiness in this life.
3.) Inherit memories, but still a resident of another world. Alongside (2), this is quite common in web and light novels, idk about manga. Similar to (2) where their "prev life" is dead or unknown what happened is just not theirs, they have their own life. Examples like Seirei Gensouki, the one whose MC is Katarina Klaes i forgot the name sorry, etc. This point is also addressed usually in early chapters/episodes, no guarantee to be readdressed as MC doesn't have any regrets.
4.) No way back, usually revenge stories cause summoning side is evil / kidnapper (?) Idk much bout transfer type Isekai other than styles like Arifureta tbh. Perhaps this one is usually what people meant by "trash Isekai" but *shrugs, the transfer type isn't my preference other than some things that caught my eye like Arifureta. I think this point is usually combined with other points.
5.) Seeking something in the new world. I just put this for exception cases of MC with abnormal personality like Cid Kagenou who is happy to has reached the new realm of his evolution i.e. magic, Cautious Hero where there's a way back home but MC is willing to save another world (or in Seiya's case he has regrets in his past failure, sorry for the spoiler), No game no life where the siblings literally accepted the deal as they're bored, etc.
Sorry long comment, just putting my thoughts on isekai but do note I only remember and watch/read ones that caught my attention/interest. Plus I have been more into reading web novels and light novels so much so I don't really remember which series is getting anime adaptation (cause usually old novels that I've left aside to stack up on updates are the ones to finally get an anime adaptation, probably after a manga has been adapted too). Haven't read manga much or at all.
Transportation vs. reincarnation, at least in reincarnation case u died for the most part in the original world. VS transportation where u can care about the old life.
Good reminder that the reincarnation aspect is a foundational plot point of the story, rather than just a throwaway "a long time ago in a galaxy far far away" introductory element.
her VA is Takina from Lyoris Recoil and Mie from The Girl I Like Forgot her Glasses
I don't think its a "FLAW", thats a bit of a stretch BUT i do think it's played out and we need other stories where the MC is trying to get back to their own world and are having a hard time with being in this new one
This was a very real episode. From Nanahoshi's breakdown, to her depression and Rudy's friends coming together for her and be a support group was very touching.
I understand Nanahoshi’s emotions right away after she failed the experiment, since i also understood her worries and why she locked herself in a room trying to learn everything about magic circles and teleportations. Just think it like this, not only that she got teleported into an unknown world, she doesn’t even have mana, or magic powers to keep herself safe, and not knowing whether if it’s only her, or someone else also got into this world from Japan, and what happened to her family, friends and so on. So many questions can be asked in Nanahoshi’s mind, and the answer is only when she can get back to Japan. When she failed, i knew she’ll lose her mind, considering how long she learnt it and no progress whatsoever (sure, some of you might’ve felt like 2[?] years? meh it’s not that long, but, the disappointment of not getting a progress towards something you really wanted is quite high), so thats why she’s so happy when there’s actually a progress of that water bottle! And the party at the end of the episode, with Nanahoshi singing Tsubasa for the ending, literally made me almost cried, the emotions actually reached me.
also, regarding the flaws, i can quite understand, yet i do agrees with some scenes; for examples
- if the mc died irl, and then reincarnated into isekai, i understand why they’ll accept it right away or not, because even if they could go back to their world, they’ll be a different person, unless they could magically respawn themselves, or they got rebirth as themselves, and relives as themselves (like going to the past), and since you’ll be a different person, your family, friends would be different aswell, so I understand why they wouldn’t want to go back to their irl world.
- however, if they were teleported into the world, without them dying irl, I wouldn’t necessarily disagree that they accepted their life in isekai, but i would still want them try to go back to their world, or some scenes that they were thinking, worrying what the other world is thinking about his disappearance, so thats why i can understand the flaw here.
there are an anime that i watched that essentially avoids the flaw, and still an isekai (some of the “isekai” are just people playing games, so i wont count them as isekais), which is Saving 80 000 Gold in Another World for My Retirement, quite an okay one for me, and made me quite sad when she was thinking about her irl mother.
well yea, this episode of Mushoku Tensei is indeed a masterpiece, still listening to Nanahoshi singing Tsubasa :D
most of these people were super isolated irl ... either they died ... or they just didnt have a life
Saitou from Familiar of Zero managed to get back to his world, + he managed to bring his wife he married there with him back home too
I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said!
I'm so glad you made a video about it. It's something I thought too.
Rifujin better have a plan to what to do with the next novel (roadmap) because he wrote a peak of a prequel.
Also your question of "if Rudeus will be happy getting sent to earth" is perfect. That would be a parallel to what nanahoshi is feeling and I feel as if Rudeus will also do everything he could to return back. He has yet to reunite with his sisters and the letter will worry Rudeus to death, considering Paul trusted them to him. (Sorry for my bad english)
This isn't really something of a flaw is it? It's up to the main character to decide if they want to go back or not. And writers under this, which is why they usually give them backstories where they either don't want to go back or alternatively are finding ways to go back. It's not only not a new development, but Mushoku Tensei is definitely not the first one to acknowledge this. Zero no Tsukaima, Rising of the Shield Hero, Overlord, Ascendance of a Bookworm, That Time I got Reincarnated as a Slime, Arifureta, and many more all acknowledge the process of reincarnated/transporting to another world, and find ways to cope/deal with the issue. Even if you personally don't like one of the anime mentioned, it has been shown to be talked about extensively.
Also, what is wrong with characters not wanting to return? For example, in Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear, Yuna has no reason to return, and finds that her life is more fulfilling in this new world than her old one. She acknowledges this idea of returning to Japan, but ultimately finds herself wanting to stay.
Overall, this is probably just obvious clickbait, but I still am tired of seeing stuff like this.
No your explanation is what brings awareness to the art and content. Thank you for your time and wisdom you always spread.
You know Nanahoshi isnt the only character who is isekaid who wants to go home in some genre, but she's trying her best to look for ways to go home
In our defense, most of us are descendents of people that thought Europe was such a bump they decided to take a ship to a 'new world' and never come back. These guys are the original Isekai. And it happens.
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Yea, no. The reason she got over so quickly was because the anime decided to speed run. In the books, it took *over a month* for her to recover. And then like another few week to a month for them to fix her design. It was not quick in the least.
Hell, the show made Rudy’s sylphie’s life look like it’s only been maybe a few weeks, when by the time Nanahoshi broke down in the book, they has been together for almost half a year. One thing the show didn’t do so well, is how they are rushing us to the “good” part. When what they actually doing is cutting out a lot of the story that get us attach to each character. Like at this point in the story, had any of the side character so much as get badly hurt, the reader would likely riot. But the show cut so much of the interaction with them, we really don’t have that level of attachment to any of them. We maybe able to give a brief character introduction for each, but we don’t really *know* any of them yet.
i really noticed how good this episode
many moments like the scream, the emotions, even a bit of lore on the magic system they use was explained
This is why I love my instant death ability is overpowered because in that story, the MC wants nothing bout to go back to his previous word. He had loved ones and a life in his previous world he does not want to stay in the other world. He wants to go back to his mother and live a normal life and right now in the story he’s doing everything he can to get back to his previous world.
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Chibi I have to say this I have only started this anime about 1 to 2 weeks ago it has truly touched my soul with just how amazing this series is it quickly shot up to being one of my all time favorite anime of all time
they were forced to cut a lot of content from season 1. Like completely cut it off. So if you are into reading I can recommend the series. itself. I myself got bored waiting for the part 2 of the season. And am now in 18th light novel :D
@@juusovuolle8251 damn that sucks I do plan to go into the LN eventually but overall still loved season one but season 2 love it as well they both just hit differently in there own ways
I highly recommend reading the light novels because so much stuff has been cut for the sake of time. A lot of inner monologue and world had to be cut.
Another light novel/anime I think handled the topic well was Grimgar which I’m not even sure if it is considered Isekai because the world was so visceral. Everyday there was a heavy reminder of survival and it still kept the same fear of the permanence of death. It was fantasy but not Power fantasy and had this inherent somber tone to the show which was the fact that even in the chill times everyone wanted to go somewhere else, Home and the struggle was at least getting answers to what and where home was.Learning to survive in the new place but it never got too comfortable. Really delivering the there’s no place like home message to me
I think most of the summoned isekai would end like this ... once the world is saved and u learned they lied u cant return. But the show never shows the true end of the story
That would be bad. But other people have Pointed out that after such a long journey, a Journey requiring them to grow and even develop connections, they might have changed so much they realized they can't return BECAUSE they can't return back to their old lives anymore.
The thing is that the isekai genre is made to make you feel like the protagonist most of the time.
It's made on the premise that the audience watching it is the typical Japanese hikikomori or neet who has nothing to lose or the adult who works in a black company and has a rubbish life.
That's why a lot of isekai anime is the fantasy of these people.
awesome powers, harem, fantasy, etc...
And although there are some protagonists who do want to come back, the stories are not as popular and are less likely to be made into an anime.
The arifureta anime deals for example with this protagonist, but the anime rushed the novels so much plus the bad cgi that much of hajime's development during the dungeon was never seen, making him a more edgy protagonist and taking away a lot of his motivations.
If you are still interested in this kind of plot I would say that Korean mahwas have more stories with protas with this premise.
I don't think this is a problem for isekai because first of all the isekai genre was born as a desire to escape reality and go to another world and although the plot of trying to get home is interesting for the Japanese audience it is not something that is very entertaining.
Those are my thoughts at least.
bro like i wait every fucking day just to watch your videos, you're great. Amazing episode, i really enjoyed it, when rudy said to sylphie "what i want isn't children, it's the fruit of love with someone i cherish" brooooo that hit me really really hard, beautiful beautiful scene and wonderful chapter. Rn actually i completely respect rudy in a lot of ways thanks to this kind of stuff.
It's basically being forcefully transfered to a new server without gear and no ability to level up or use skills.
She did this moment perfectly, flaw what flaw tons of characters Go full evil because they can't go back....
It's not really a flaw with isekai, it's more so that we just don't get those kinds of stories anymore. Most of the older isekais were all about the main characters stumbling throughout this new world while looking for a way home even though they went on all these adventures and made new friends. Personally I prefer isekai stories nowadays where the main characters are either dead or got reborn into a better life, since in old isekais it kinda feels like a cope out where the main cast has the same tearful goodbye over and over and over even though the main draw of the story was for the mc to abandon this brand new world just to go back to their mundane lives.
This was really wrenching. And I was thinking exactly about this. Never have I seen in any Anime where characters are trying to go back.
1:00 to 4:00 almost perfectly explains the protagonist of Arifureta: From Commonplace to Worlds Strongest, the protagonists had a fulfilling life, caring family, friends, a lover/someone who loved him, almost accepted the new world but didnt after being betrayed, he wasnt rlly a shut-in but he was kinda introverted, he fought and killed to return to his own world and made it back in the end of the light novel, he wasnt instantly overpowered but after he did become overpowered through hard work he never changed his goal of returning to japan,
Hmm did you notice the bottle was naked, if she is sent back think she will be in for a surprise.
Honestly. I think she will take coming back to Japan butt naked over being stuck here.
Now and then Here and There was the first and last Isekai I've watched where the isekai world was terrible and they wanted to go back.
Great video and I absolutely agree with you on all points. Wish more isekai did this. Why not adddress a character's emotional baggage regarding their previous world and all the lost connections? Maybe I should finally read/watch Mushoku Tensei. Also, that final part where you mentioned human emotions and our ability to pull back from depression, anger, despair and negative emotions, that is so true. We are biologically wired to have all those negative emotions but we are also hardwired to want relief from those emotions☺️
I’m not sure but I believe this also happens to some degree in Tsumikichi or whatever it’s called
It would depend on your circumstances in the new world. Even if you had a decent life in your original world, if you had godlike powers in the isekai I'm pretty sure many people would take that trade and choose to stay in the new world. Certainly in Nanahoshi's case it makes sense she would want to go back as her circumstances do not lend to a favorable isekai.
She doesn't age but not immortal
She has completely zero mana
She can't do anything that require mana
What she has is her brain to do research
Although very edgy, Arifureta does a good job with the same concept. Main character is so determined to go back home that he would even kill a god if he had to
6:00 You forget that Nanahoshi haven't been aging since she came to the world roughly 6 years ago (the Mana disaster which summoned her happened right after Rudy turned 10, and currently he is 16+).
Another one who's thinking about going back, or even better travel between worlds is our MC from Tsuki ga michibiku... but other than that i can't recall any character that wanted to go back, and i watched quite some isekai anime in the last couple of yaers...
Not sure if I can relate to this because some people include me don’t care about our world and our world can be crueler than fantasy for example what if someone was stupid and couldn’t get good degree or what if someone get good degrees but was forced into a low pay company that doesn’t increase his salary even when he had good degree where many calls the degree useless
Anime has too be relatable and tge minority are the one who love isekai because at least they could attend power money that they couldn’t afford in the real world there are many people like rudeus
While they are few like tge girl that wants to return
Most people still have valuable connections and technology even if they don't have the best jobs and life. You loose absolutely everything being iskeai and won't fully realize that lost until it fully hits you.
@@datekaname2246 connection i understand but technology not sure because you have magic to teleport and fly
@@RandomAmateur-qf5vh there is alot more to technology than transportation
Shizu from tensura
There is another character down into the novel who research on interdimensional traveling just to go home too. Her research bear fruit faster since she basically has entire country full of different kind of researcher at her back at that point.
I remember it kind of Shizu situation that made Rimuru back and funded the research so that people who got summoned against their will could have a way to return home.
@@mickbotcast yeah I know.
I remember reading this part of the light novel and thinking that this was really sad and disturbing but seeing and hearing it in the anime took me to another level. I still think some things from the novel were better and could have helped show how serious this was and how much others were willing to help but I understand why they may have wanted to cut those bits out.
I have often times hated my life. One of the mental escapes that I did was imagine if I could "reincarnate" into my childhood and experience it again. Make different choices, use future knowledge to make my life better.
This changed after I got married. I started to feel guilty thinking about going before my marriage. It would be like breaking my marriage vows, or I would live knowing that I'd never be able to be with my partner again. Then this happened again, but at a MUCH stronger way when my kids were born. I can never think back prior.
If I died and got then got isekai'ed, then yeah, I could eventually be able to accept it, but I'd still be SO depressed. If I was isekai'ed without the reincarnation...? I'd be like her...
Imagine if she talked about how someone saved her from getting hit by a truck and then she says she would have preferred being hit and dying.
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Well anyone like Rudy or any of the other isekai protagonist would love their new wotlrld where they have the power of change unlike in the old world where they were nobody but in this new world they sre heros in most cases ee should also remember that in most cases the mc is either bullied or has no friends . It's just human nature why would i care to return to a world of despair ehere i a nobody like most of the humans
im saddened you didnt inlude nanahoshi gas cover song at the end credits of that ep
This story was always top tier storytelling kind of wish the author would have continued it.
It finished?
He still is. He’s waiting for the anime to catch to the light novels and then he’ll continue the story.
@@andrescaiced2993Yes the story ended but Nanhoshi still hasn’t returned because the World of Mushoku Tensei still needs her.
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I was already invested in the story and ready to ride it out to the end of the series at the end of season 1, but this was the chapter where the latest manga release came out and I simply couldn't wait any longer to find out what happens next. I sat down and just started binging every LN volume (LN 17 was the latest release at the time) and continued straight through via the web novel to the end.
Nanahoshi's importance to the narrative themes of Mushoku are second only to Rudeus himself. She's simply incredibly well realized both as a character and in how she holds up a mirror to the concept of escapism as a direct contrast to Rudy. In that moment, she's receiving an extremely potent and condensed dose of the suffering Rudeus endured back when he was trapped in his room, unable to escape. In fact, Nanahoshi's situation is substantially worse.
Rudy could have chosen to leave his room at any time to resume his former life and reconnect with his family, she can't.
1:10 really now... "best" and "most popular" are not always the same thing. I could name some off the bat, where character goes through constant struggle(Isekai Mahou ga Okuteru, The New Gate), or keep on searching, until they hit the wall and have to come along with the conditions, oftentime having deep struggles with new rules (Reiji from Chiyu Mahou, MC from Realist Hero),and honestly, there's plenty of novels that don't "have it easy". Most of them don't get adaptations, true. Chiyu Mahou was a huge surprise for me, that it it got aired.
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Above all the desire to come back home there's a biggest reason why she is so desperate in this scene
what reason? Is it a big spoiler?
spoiler if you want to know
she can get sick and die her body dosent know how to handle the diseases of this world
@@yhwach1 it's a spoiler
the thing is Wanting to go back it was the first template of MC of an isekai. Look at Rayearth or Escaflowne. Being transported and wanting to stay in the fantasy world is somewhat new.
The reason Isekai fans don't care much about this is because these people's lives are boring, monotonous, with bad families and they have nothing to lose in this world, they are already in a dissociative state with reality.
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I think this reflects why Isekai became so popular. I think there are a lot of people who wish they can abandon their lives they are discontent with and have an adventure in a fantasy world, and isekai mc's mirror that
I'm glad I did find some series where the protagonist has something to go back to. Series like that is good as it gives the main character a powerful motive.
Tsukimichi could explore that because he wasn’t reincarnated he was summoned and base what the anime has shared right now it looks like that could be already possibly in the story & ARIFURETA SHOKUGYOU DE SEKAI SAIKYOU isn’t he also trying to go back to as world ?
At a point in my life I would've taken the Isekai without hesitation. I got a disease and took care of my mom until she passed. I had almost nothing left back then and another world with a new body? sign me up. But nowadays I'm used to the disease and have friends around me who support me and we keep each others spirits up. And I'd hate to be thrust somewhere else and lose that. It does all depend on a persons situation and time and place in life. Rudeus was stuck in a place without much to lose and probably at his lowest point. So for him a new fresh start was perfect. I do love seeing the other side where a character being thrown into another world is just miserable because it's also realistic. Everything you knew and had is just gone in the blink of a eye. I think most people would panic and break down.
i agree with you, altho most of the isekai we have had are based on the mushoku tensei novel, the world forms the basis for most isekai in some way, there are stories that follow this within novels and manga, just not in anime.
I think the only recent instances of "I want to go back to my world" I recall was in The Wrong Way to use healing magic", where one of the guys says that they couldn't have summoned them against their will, they had family and friends in their original world and probably would have gone crazy if he had been summoned alone and The villainess wants to go home, a manwa where the protag gets isekaied and tries to develop a magic to bring her back to Korea. But animes in the 1990's and 2000's had the protag trying to go back to their world, like Digimon Adventure and Inuyasha.
Indeed,Isekai from that era alway treat "want to go back home" as norm