It totally is! Ahaha... but he's wrong about one thing, its a public school with no entry exam other than being born magic and free as far as we know (as evidenced by poor families attending).
Maybe its referring to the "birth lottery" which basically means that the chance of the average person becoming rich really only depends on your birth. Born into poverty? Life is going to kick the shit out of you. Born into the upperclass (because lets be real there is no middle class), your life is probably going to be just fine and you'll make many successes in life.
@@archiealexandre828 I think what most likely happened is Olly didn't bother to fact check his Harry Potter reference because it was a brief joke and he forgot/never knew in the first place how children get accepted to Hogwarts. Your analysis does make sense though. And we have an example of being unable to rise above the circumstances of your birth with Petunia writing to Dumbledore and begging to go to Hogwarts.
@@sawtoothiandi to be fair though, Trump is/was a symptom of a sick and indifferent system... To blame only him leaves Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, Bush, Romney, McConnell, MSNBC, CNN, Fox News, Koch Bro’s, Prager, etc, off the hook.
Not just hot topic. I’m a witch (of the atheist variety- it’s a thing), and let me tell you, witchy shops not only exist, they’re bloody expensive! $50 for a plain small iron cauldron! $50 for a small unlined, plain journal (that has a symbol on the front). Witch history and spell books that are as expensive as uni textbooks. Altar covers (which are just cloth) that are over $50-$60. Bloody expensive, let me tell you! You’re far better off buying candles and incense from a dollar store, and it’ll only cost you 10% of what you’d pay at a witch store. Definitely a consumer category!
@@katherinemorelle7115 As a fellow witch, I definitely agree with you that magical tools can be very expensive, but I believe that magic is just making do with what you have or what you can gather. I agree with the 'non consumerist' view though because quite a few witches and Wiccans believe in balance, that if you take something from the earth, like a cutting of a plant, you should give in return, so that it doesn't become exploitive. Just my view, though
@@katherinemorelle7115 I think it's really important to buy as ethically as possible, so I often do spend high prices and encourage others to when they are able. A lot of the stuff out there is just price gouging, but you can find genuinely well crafted items made with passion. Not everyone can afford that, a dollar store witch is still a valid witch. A good example is I recently bought a handmade besom for $50 from someone I found on Etsy within driving distance to me, so I could pick it up from them directly and bypass shipping. So I wouldn't say all high prices are negative, it really depends on the item
@@katherinemorelle7115 I am also an atheist witch beginning my path to becoming a druid. I intend to start a sect that proclaims that capitalism poisons magic and will set it in reverse of your intentions, meaning if you bought a cauldron for $50 at a shop rather than petitioning a friend to make it for you in exchange for either something you made/grew yourself, or some sort of service they deem adequate, then it will likely do the opposite of what you wanted. I plan to start a practice of cursing ourselves and all that we sow, to not only make it so for ourselves, but spread it to others that interact with us and our magic and items to a lesser degree.
I'm really tired of people saying olly is becoming contrapoints. He has been working on bringing his acting into the show for a long time. Yes he is borrowing some aesthetic influence from her but he has drawn on PBS idea channel for years and no one would suggest that he was a copy cat Mike. I think Olly still brings that philosophy tube original spice.
I don't think anyone is criticizing him just making the connection I think it seems like she could've been involved in the making of this video, because of the beautiful lighting which afaik he's never used before, and tge fact that the topic of the video us clearly her specialty
Hah, I don't mind people noting the similarities - she is pretty inspiring! Though to be fair when it comes to subject matter I've been talking about gender and Marxism for about six years lol
@@PhilosophyTube I've enjoyed seeing her inspiration because I think the biggest thing you're getting from her isn't lighting or word distortion but rather the way you view your channel as an art. I appreciate the changes and look forward to seeing your technique develop more. I'm incredibly biased but I would love to see you use your new style to look again at some of your old topics(specifically March topics if you know what I'm saying ;)
Here's a joke this reminded me of: A man goes to the doctor. Says he's feeling unwell, absolutely miserable, and he doesn't know why. The doctor asks him a few questions, does a couple tests, and then tells him "You're gonna have to take some medication. Buy these pills and take a red one every morning, a yellow one every midday, and a blue one every evening, each with a glass of water. See me again in two weeks." The man follows the doctor's advice and two weeks pass. He goes to the doctor and says "Doctor, you have changed my life! I feel so much better now, like I turned ten years younger! But tell me, what was wrong with me?" and the doctor says "you didn't drink enough water"
My dad told me this one joke I thought was funny. The doctor calls one of his patients. “I have bad news and even worse news. You have 24 hours to live.” “What could possibly be worse than that??” “I forgot to call you yesterday.”
@@Tom-qz8xw well it's not bad... But the term is Hunter / gather not " exclusively hunted meat cuz it's good" now isn't it? I doubt they cared too much about personalized diets considering they were literally just trying to survive and didn't have any kind of society that allowed for working outside of the confines of being a hunter or a gatherer except for in special cases...
@@motc8238 hey do me a favor and cut yourself off from the internet for the rest of your life, we don't want to you exposing yourself as dumber than a bag of rocks again
Mathieu Leader Non-consumer, not non-consumable. Witches are perfectly edible and in fact, they often enjoy being eaten out, if you catch my meaning. Case by case basis of course, and consent and all that good stuff. Don't try to eat out a Witch without their explicit consent, kids!
@@lookihaveausernametoo4231 Huh... That seems really arbitrary. I suppose it's no more arbitrary than defining people by their skin tone. So long as people don't start killing or dehumanizing each other over what time of year they were born... It seems like a harmless, if strange, thing to do.
Many of the women killed during the inquisition were targeted because they were property owners, and conveniently, when they were arrested, their property would be confiscated by the church or whoever was wielding the power at the arrest. Also, I wonder if it was women who had the roll of curing/preparing food for the winter (I'm not sure about the actual gardening etc) which would enable their communities to be more independent. I think that it had a lot less to do with people claiming to have "magical powers" than is typically presented.
The problem with your point is that the vast majority of women who were murdered during the witch trials weren’t land owners. They were outcasts, usually old, living alone, poor, already very disenfranchised. There were a few people who had standing is society who were targeted but they were the exception.
@@thisisisabella3634 cancel culture is real, but has lost a lot of its original purpose (to hold those in power accountable for their actions) and is now more focused on petty drama and being a sadistic entertainment spectacle. to compare it to black people getting literally murdered by the police, however, is insensitive at best. those two things are, in my opinion, in no way comparable.
16:07 "...and slavery in the United States was not quite abolished, but abolished for everybody except prisoners" IMPORTANT!! Thank you for noting this!!
He’s one of the few people on UA-cam who isn’t black who acknowledges that slavery is reiterated in the form of false imprisonment... Not just blacks (only mostly) but even some are white, and just thrown in there for some fucked up chosen reason . Rarely do you ever see conservatives refer to illegal immigrants Europeans (unless they are brown) when they speak about illegal immigration just the Hispanics and occasionally Africans on national tv that is so it’s clear where the Cons stand on race...
"The thing about witchcraft,’ said Mistress Weatherwax, ‘is that it’s not like school at all. First you get the test, and then afterwards you spend years findin’ out how you passed it. It’s a bit like life in that respect" PTerry
@@sierrasouthwell9237 you should, it's a really great series. Sir Terry Prachett was a really creative writer, the depth of the world he created is just ridiculously detailed and impressive.
@@sierrasouthwell9237 You absolutely should. Individually they are a great read, lighthearted and entertaining and often thought-provoking; in the gestalt they are life-changing and incredible.
Every time I watch this video I cry. There is an ache so deep within me. I think of all the things women have lost through the ages, all the ways we have been punished for taking up any space at all. I’m so grateful it’s becoming safer to be a woman, safer to be as big as we want, and to love how we want.
Appa Ness Im a white dude. Hearing the atrocities my race and gender have committed makes me sad and angry. I wish I could get a time machine and save those lives, free the slaves, and stop the witch hunts. The best I can do now is ensure everyone I know, knows of these crimes against humanity and hold people accountable for their words and actions.
@@Eagle-pg7bx It's far better to just do what you can to make the world less shit in present time. Little things like knowing why your lady friend might not want to take the bus home alone, or which spaces your gay and trans friend would feel most comfortable in. Learn how to take the white and cis people jokes, know that it's people punching up. And most of all apologising for when you fuck up and try not to do it again. I'm a cis white lady and I've done racist and probably transphobic things without meaning to or being conscious of it, I just hope I've learned better.
When certain conservative politicians & pundits go on TV & scream about the "witch hunt" being perpetrated against them, the irony makes my head want to explode 😱
JB Sweeney that’s not what the left is saying though. There’s some nut cases in the left as there are with the conservatives. Not the majority. From what I’ve seen most left and right are sensible people.
@@jbsweeney1077 It's not that they deserve it, it's that it's not happening. Discrimination is defined by the presence of political power. Young people on Facebook, Tumblr and Tiwtter and academic circles collectively and freely deciding not to tolerate nonsense does not, never did and never will count as political power.
"You poor take courage. You rich take care. This earth was made a common treasury for everyone to share. All things in common. All people one. We came in peace but the orders came to cut us down." - The Song of The Diggers
Yes, that is The World Turned Upside Down, which was written Leon Rosselson in 1975, and so does not reflect the true sentiment of The Diggers, but does handily summarise their ideology. The true Diggers Song, published in 1714, goes: You noble Diggers all, stand up now, stand up now, You noble Diggers all, stand up now, The waste land to maintain, seeing Cavaliers by name Your digging do disdain and your persons all defame Stand up now, Diggers all. Your houses they pull down, stand up now, stand up now, Your houses they pull down, stand up now. Your houses they pull down to fright poor men in town, But the gentry must come down and the poor shall wear the crown. Stand up now, Diggers all. With spades and hoes and ploughs, stand up now, stand up now, With spades and hoes and ploughs, stand up now. Your freedom to uphold, seeing Cavaliers are bold To kill you if they could and rights from you withhold. Stand up now, Diggers all. Their self-will is their law, stand up now, stand up now, Their self-will is their law, stand up now. Since tyranny came in they count it now no sin To make a gaol a gin and to serve poor men therein. Stand up now, Diggers all. The gentry are all round, stand up now, stand up now, The gentry are all round, stand up now. The gentry are all round, on each side they are found, Their wisdom's so profound to cheat us of the ground. Stand up now, Diggers all. The lawyers they conjoin, stand up now, stand up now, The lawyers they conjoin, stand up now, To arrest you they advise, such fury they devise, But the devil in them lies, and hath blinded both their eyes. Stand up now, Diggers all. The clergy they come in, stand up now, stand up now, The clergy they come in, stand up now. The clergy they come in and say it is a sin That we should now begin our freedom for to win. Stand up now, Diggers all. 'Gainst lawyers and 'gainst priests, stand up now, stand up now, 'Gainst lawyers and 'gainst Priests, stand up now. For tyrants are they both even flat against their oath, To grant us they are loath free meat and drink and cloth. Stand up now, Diggers all. The club is all their law, stand up now, stand up now, The club is all their law, stand up now. The club is all their law to keep poor folk in awe, But they no vision saw to maintain such a law. Glory now, Diggers all.
I believe i first heard the Billy Bragg cover, then the Mischief Brew cover which is probably my favorite, also Chumbawumba did a cover but they cut out the ending which is interesting.
Day 117: still wondering how many takes it took to get a continuous 2 minute and 30 second shot where you remove two layers of clothing, smear yourself in fake blood and grab a prop without even looking at it, all the while maintaining an unphased speaking cadence and maintaining eye contact with the camera.
@@aronsztojka6034 has the same energy as a social media post I saw awhile ago, saying something to the effect of “my mom once told me that a girl becomes a woman when she’s gotten blood on every pair of pants she owns. I asked her ‘what about women who don’t have periods?’ and she responds ‘it doesn’t have to be YOUR blood’”
This might be your best video yet. The production was great, your acting was excellent, and the topic was fascinating and something I would never have thought to research. This channel has come a long way since 5 years ago!
@@MattieK09 I mean most history is skewed and altered by the person recording or retelling it, so we basically can never have objectivity. Also I don't know what you're trying to prove here.
I believe this is Ollie's best video to date, it ties together so much of contemporary political analysis. Capitalism, Race, Gender, the aesthetic of intellectualism, culture wars, and all kinds of political and philosophical battlegrounds on UA-cam. It suddenly becomes clear why atheists like Carl Benjamin and religious pedants like Jordan Peterson can so easily align with the alt-right: on the surface they should disagree on a lot of issues, but they share their commitment to a specific division of power that is now under threat.
The topics are tied together to make the naive believe they form a relationship. It's called manipulation. Jim Jones did the same. This "philosopher" has serious issues.
@Aditya Chavarkar The point is that calling out bad in the world, especially what is long gone, meaning does not exist in today's world and trying to imply it exists today, and insinuating that all bad is somehow linked together in one group is an old Hitler and Goebles trick, which they used to project a big wad of bad onto Jews. This pseudo philosopher is using the same type of manipulative false linkages. Why? To manipulate you to hate. Is it working? He also wants you to be so drawn in emotionally that your rational mind stops analyzing independently. He also implies that if you just follow him, you are instantly ethical. It's all manipulative seduction.
@@kellyw8017 "and trying to imply it exists today" Well isn't that a convenient explanation...? "It was a few decades or centuries ago, how could we have kept anything from this era in our modern culture??" Do you really not see the problem with this naive kind of thinking? Rational thinking will look for such ties, not dismiss them because they're inconvenient... "insinuating that all bad is somehow linked together in one group is an old Hitler and Goebles trick" This is specifically what marxism tries to avoid, you are obviously talking about something you don't understand. "Good" and "bad" are not really the question, marxism tries to focus on more material and down to earth things like wealth and its accumulation. It analyses confrontations and power struggles and structures, which are ALWAYS present in any society, I don't see what's wrong with that. What I see on the other side is a lot of people not wanting to take responsibility for their actions. " This pseudo philosopher is using the same type of manipulative false linkages" He is backed up by a lot of philosophers, historians, economists, sociologists... The links have been investigated and discussed by many people, it's out there for you to read. And it is not based on fantasies like the "Sion protocols", it's all based on very observable things. "Why? To manipulate you to hate. Is it working?" Not really... But I see much irrational hate thrown at people analysing power structures and characterising discrimination precisely in our societies... "He also wants you to be so drawn in emotionally that your rational mind stops analyzing independently." Your rational mind is never 100% free of your feelings, unless you are "illuminated" in the spiritual sense, i.e. free of your ego. This is why science is based on the consensus of a community, not on the findings of one individual. Deal with it. Now, are you implying that we should never base our political beliefs and actions on moral or emotions? That seems not only pretty cold and scary, it is also somewhat impossible: political stances can be taken only once you have defined your basic political values and they will never be "rational" 100%. What I see, is sometimes people not wanting to face the historical facts mentioned in this video simply because they would be overwhelming or shed a disturbing light on today's society... "He also implies that if you just follow him, you are instantly ethical." At no point have I heard him saying or implying that. I think you just feel bad about yourself, probably... Fix your problems pal, we're not your parents or your psychiatrists...
Magical thinking continues in the phantasmagorical world of capital - the life of commodities, the theology of the market, hey, the total camera obscura 'upsidedownness' of all our relationships.
@@Pfhorrest it literally uses Marxist jargon in its framing and aesthetics. I have not seen all of it yet, but the narrative structure does suggest at least parallels to Marxist theory and requires at least a superficial understanding of those theories to build it in such a way. Considering the historical context of the show and the inherent quiet revolutionary praxis found within shoujo and yosei works at the time, it would have to be an almost gigantic coincidence for it to be unintentional. That being said, it does have some unfortunately similar pitfalls as Marxism by being marxist at least in part. As Olly said, Marxists weren't 100% right all the time. Although, again, I have not yet finished the show, so I can't quite know for sure if those pitfalls aren't being addressed throughout the course of its run.
PolySaken pffft 4chan has been reduced to nothing but edgy 14 - 18 year old kids LARPing and pretending that they’re still a part of this secret underground club of freaks and some shit, and acting like they control everything. it’s not been that way for over 6 years lmao. move on.
"But Archchancellor, we're meddling with things we don't understand!" "Of COURSE we're meddling with things we don't understand! We're wizards! If we waited 'round 'til things were understood, nothing would ever get done!" --Terry Pratchett, "Interesting Times"
I remember this feeling, when I realized that so many of the other “rational” atheists had developed a particular ideology, one which I found to be absurdly irrational and not unlike the religions that these atheists had turned their backs on. Really sad that so many replace religion with nationalism or fascism, as though people have some deep yearning to be told how things are and/or should be, they wanted definite, objective answers in a subjective world, they needed a black and white perspective that I genuinely thought was antithetical to atheism. I guess at the end of the day people just want answers, and cannot cope with a world without them. Not very rational to demand answers where none exist, but that’s humanity for ya, an ape can only be so rational, despite how much it tries to convince itself it’s some kind of enlightened being.
That's because the vast majority of atheists have not thought through their belief system (or lack thereof) as much as they think they have. Many people come to it as a knee jerk reaction to religion, but unfortunately lack the context to understand that they've brought the problem aspects of religion in with them: dogmatic belief in feelings, a strong sense of superiority - I could keep going, but I won't. Certainly it's a belief that one could balance appropriately with the world around them, but if you learned the habits of organized religion they're hard to unlearn, and the tools of the enemy are just so tempting to use.
The world is not subjective. There are answers, and we already know them. All that exists is the material, and we're animals, formed through the process of evolution. The answer isn't magical thinking, it's not the rejection of truth itself just because there are some things that we don't yet know. Post-modernism is reactionary, and it's antithetical to the materialist analysis that forms the basis for Marxism.
The idea that ancient cultures viewed magic as a way to get something out of nothing is I think largely untrue. While magic is allmost always supernatural it usually has an associated cost that must be sacrificed in order to get the results wanted. Ancient Roman's sacrificed large amounts of food and valuables to the gods and spirits, mediveal peasants in Ireland and Britain left food out for the tultiary spirit in exchange for good favour in agriculture etc.
@@sista363 I don't think the individual liberties of relatively privileged, mostly white, first-world women ties into any broader whole from a Marxist perspective, and hyperbolizing the issue beyond recognition is an insult to the day in, day out, material suffering of the global proletariat as a whole, especially in the third world, and this includes women just as much as it does men. Oligarchic/hierarchical power structures in our world revolve around class and access to real, material privilege, not socially constructed identities, and the only way we can build a truly equitable, free society is by attacking the root cause, not its cultural symptoms, and reducing such issues to blind hate takes the blame off of the bourgeois indoctrinators and places it on the indoctrinated, and therefore conservative proletariat.
@@sista363 I already mentioned it, and it's class. The capitalist class owns the only viable means of influencing public opinion and culture, they own our workplaces, they exploit our labor, they own our governments and undermine any notion of genuine democracy in the capitalist west. If you're not familiar with this topic, try to read some Marxist theory, I could give you some suggestions even. I don't want to minimize the blatant immorality of denying women abortions for pregnancies that haven't even resulted in a conscious being yet, but the power dynamics of American society cannot be reduced to men against women, white people against black people, straight people against LGBTQ+ people, because the indoctrinated never chose to be so, and it's the capitalist indoctrinators who profit from widespread ignorance who should be held fully accountable.
I feel like this video somewhat ignores the history of AntiSemitism in the witch trials across Europe. As well as the depiction of witches and what they do/ have done in European folklore are often rooted and filled with antisemitism. I feel like it needs to be recognized that there was a significant anti-semitic presence in how witches were thought of and how witch trials were carried out. I don't mean any drama or disrespect. I just feel its important to establish.
True. Maybe he'll tackle the very long, complex, and highly resilient history of antisemitism and how it infects not just the modern right, but sadly many leftists. I know I hear a lot of antisemitism from my own Hispanic family and community and from many black neighbors, due to how complicit and successfully so many Jewish people are in capitalism, due to ignorance about how the Catholic Church basically funneled and forced Jewish people into usury and banking in order to survive a highly dangerous antisemitic
The persecution of Jews was an earlier phenomenon. Jews had been expelled from a lot of Europe, especially England and France by the time the witch trial started. That was done by the earlier medieval inquisitions, not the witch trials which were separate from the inquisition. They were similar, but not the same.
Anecdote about this video: I noticed how your eyeshadow only became visible in the firelight, in the last bit of the video with the blue light. SECONDS LATER you said "we still have to decide *through whose eyes* we see the natural I'm not sure if it was an intentional touch but gosh darn it was an effective one.
"At the risk of attracting the wrong kind of internet audience" Maybe we SHOULD be attracting them? I mean, I was part of the wrong kind of internet audience and I only got de-radicalized thanks to your and the rest of Breadtube's videos.
@@justmart4455 Unfortunately she has a lot of bad takes on it. Only my opinion on cancel culture is correct. Language and social norms change over time. It's never ok to tell society that enough progress has been made and we should draw a line in the sand of time. Anyone who tries to fight back against progress should be criticized using free speech and if the end result is that some fascists get their feelings hurt so be it. If you're going to be a chud you deserve to be cancelled. This is how history has unfolded to date and trying to stop it is not natural therefore wrong. Not getting cancelled is actually a pretty easy thing to do. Of course this works better under socialism because cancelling is only possible under capitalism.
13:48 the whole part when he started stripping and slathering blood all over himself distracted me so much that i forgot to listen to what he was even saying
At the same time though, it was a super powerful image. Like, he literally became a visual of what we typically think of as a barbarian, in order to prove that point, and I really like that
@@rileyjones9413 I mean... calling out terfs is a pretty accepted lefty thing to do though. The whole gag was that people he'd otherwise tend to disagree with on most things were calling him to talk to him about saying something that they agreed with, right?
This aligns so interestingly to an article I read recently, called "Fertility Control and the Birth of the Modern Fairy-Tale Heroine", by Ruth B. Bottingheimer. Bottingheimer says that between the 1400s and the 1700s, female heroines of Western literature suffered a shift, from agents who circumvent a male-dominated world in order to get what they want, including sex (think of the women in the Canterbury Tales) into passive, fainting victims always at risk of being impregnated or having their bodies acted upon by men (think of Sleeping Beauty, or her ancestor Talia from the Pentamerone, who is not woken by a gentle kiss, but by one of the two babies she conceives by her "prince" while still magically asleep). The origin of that shift, Bottingheimer argues, is the restricting of women's access to fertility control and abortion, and to gainful employment that would make single motherhood something other than a death sentence. Which is the process you describe! Thanks for this fascinating video :)
Anyone who says Marx was 100% right about everything probably doesn't understand Marxism. It's impossible to be right about everything, but understanding history and our present with a materialist and dialectical analysis is critical to getting things right in the first place. Fight dogmatism, as Marx would have wanted.
@@GamerParent he only said that in reference to French "cothinkers" who were guilty of a kind of economic reductionism that he himself found a misunderstanding of his own views, hence "if this is Marxism..." quote.
On one hand, Marx was a critic philosopher and scientist, he was pretty much fighting current dogma. On the other, he made the manifesto, which is a translation, reduction and extrapolation of his ideas into dogmatic form. And the divide between him and Bakunin was a pretty dogmatic one, don't you think? A dogmatic marxist doesn't think he's dogmatic, because he's "free of ideology". So yeah, I don't think Marx would have much problem with dogmatic marxists.
@@frechjo the actual word you're looking for is "principles", not dogma. the divide between Bakunin and Marx was between two sets of political _principles_ , not a petty grudge match between pedantic schoolmasters, which is what "dogma"/"dogmatism" implies. if the economic and material ground for social reality produces class conflict, then fighting on the basis of a principled political program is the best way to articulate the interests of a social class, namely, the working class. the most explicitly self-aware forms of such political activity become a historical possibility only with the advent of modern industry.
@@janosmarothy5409 Maybe my comment reads aggressive and anti-marxist. That's not my intention. I just don't see fighting any and all dogmatism as a core value of marxism. Maybe I've spent too much time with the wrong marxists, what can I say.
Thank you for acknowledging that the Middle Ages were not necessarily the "Dark Ages" - at least, not for some groups! I'm majoring in medieval history, and my focus is on women in medieval society and medieval "feminism," and it is so interesting and I wish that more people would talk about the "Enlightenment" rollbacks on women's rights that were introduced during the Middle Ages. Like, Hildegard of Bingen was an INCREDIBLE woman! So was Melisende of Jerusalem, and Matilda of Tuscany, and Occitania gave more opportunities for women than many modern day societies (until crusading Christians (some who were motivated by political and economic motives to dominate southern France) destroyed Occitania and instituted patriarchal law after the Albigensian Crusade). I hate the historical narrative that women's rights have been slowly increasing since time immemorial. It's blatantly untrue. Even if you're just looking at Western society, women took such a hard hit during the later Middle Ages and the Enlightenment/Industrial era, and a large part of that was due to capitalism (as you rightly explained). I wish that more Marxist and liberal activists talked about this!
lovelyyecats ohhhh this is interesting. I majored in modern history, generally Second World War and the Cold War, but also women’s history. It was really interesting. I wanna hear more of what you got on your part of history :D
The enlightenment can enter into important contradictions with capitalism. For example enlightenment thought can advocate some level of planning of the economy as did early socialist thinkers like Saint Simon and Fourier just as later tecnocratic thought from rationalist points of view, while pro capitalist classical liberal and neoliberal ideologies promote the idea of a magical hidden hand which balances things through the market. As such a rationalist enlightenment person can argue that unregulated capitalism is irrationalism that can lead to barbarism, chaos and destruction. In fact that position was hegemonic during the mid 20th century (keynesianism, tecnocratic regulated capitalism and leninist states) until the 1980s when the neoliberal revolution of Thatcher and Reagan turner neoliberal capitalist thought hegemonic
Maybe look into torrenting the game crusader kings 2 with all dlc if you fancy playing a female ruler in the middle ages, then reforming a pagan religion and including enatic clan doctrine so only woman could rule, while being surrounded by 'regular' middle age kingdoms, quite fun actually. Random ik..
Widows who inherited their husbands' property were frequent targets as well. Accuse an ailing farmer's wife who is a drain on the community of witchcraft, and you get her family's property, which was often farmland. So yeah. It was a very convenient way to be rid of elders instead of caring for them.
Ok, so first- I really liked this video a lot, and feel you did a good job of a delicate dance (I am no longer a Wiccan, so its not for me to give out any seals of approval- but still my opinion). The one little nuance (alluded to here but not developed) that might well have been sacrificed for time is the point that- ofc, while the witch-hunts attacked those who practiced forms of magic, they certainly didn't do so from a place of scientific rigor. They often traded one set of superstitions for another, and in many ways set back science and medicine in particular. The trial of Jacqueline Felice is often brought up here- she was found guilty of unlicensed medical practice (being that she could not have been licensed as a woman barred from university), but it was made clear at her trial that she was known to have better outcomes than the licensed physicians- and wouldn't charge you unless she actually healed you. In fact, any look at the medical practices of the 'learned' men were far behind what they should have been- specifically because they didn't want to listen to icky women, folk traditions, or because their particular religious ideas caused certain attitudes or practices. It definitely set back women's health and our understanding of sex. I have also seen it argued that a great deal of knowledge of astronomy and biology was lost. So yeah, eventually we did develop the scientific method, but it was a dance of one step forward two steps back. For all we know, it might have been significantly faster if we hadn't made with the burning and such. But hey- great vid, just wanted to toss this in here!
I think Olly meant that certain historians today look back at the witch hunts and claim that they de-superstitioned the world to make place for super science. Not that it actually happened. Just like some people are trying to spin the crusades as a desperate defense of the west against Islam.
So, I think it's important to note here that the prosecution of practitioners of empiric medicine, such as Felicie, in the High and Late Middle Ages was a very separate process from the witch trials in early modern Europe that occurred hundreds of years later. Medieval folk medicine was not as gendered as it is commonly believed to be, and men and women alike were prosecuted for "unlicensed practice". This is not to say that there was no gendered (or racialised) element to the prosecution of empirics during this period, since as you say women were not afforded access to academic medical education, and there were specific laws put in place that prohibited Jews from practicing medicine. However, the focus of these trials was less about oppressing specifically gendered ways of knowing, and more about protecting the monopoly of professional practitioners of medicine by reframing lay medicine as inherently dangerous. And this is significant, because this is a framing that has been continually been reinforced over the course of centuries, to the point that the inherent danger of engaging in self-medicine is rarely even questioned today, and that patients are largely viewed as passive objects lacking in agency - even by scholars of medical sociology and philosophy. The practice of empiric medicine was also not inherently magical, and most magicoreligious healing practices during the period were not pagan, but Christian, and carried out by members of the clergy. One of the most interesting elements of Felicie's trial, to my mind, is the fact that some of the treatments cited in the records of Felicie's trial match those found within contemporary academic texts - which suggests that although she lacked access to formal medical training, she did not lack access to the knowledge afforded by it (which provides an intriguing parallel to contemporary practices of self-medicine by some chronic patients, for instance). In terms of the erasure of medical knowledge of women's health in the Middle Ages being erased, there was actually a very famous and comprehensive group of texts known as the Trotula which formed the basis for much of women's medicine through the Middle Ages and early modernity. Notably, in the Late Middle Ages, the texts were altered and their authorship attributed to an historical male scholar - so there was certainly an erasure, but not so much of the knowledge itself. None of this negates the gendered history of medical oppression, but I think it's vital to be aware of the complexity of this history, and the ways in which really distinct events and phenomena have been conflated by some modern polemical discourse, to the detriment of our understanding their impact on contemporary social practices and ways of knowing. References: Armstrong, David. The Political Anatomy of the Body: Medical Knowledge in the Twentieth Century. Cambridge University Press, 1983. Green, Monica H. "Women's Medical Practice and Health Care in Medieval Europe." Signs, 14(2), 1989, 434-473. Green, Monica H. "Getting to the Source: The Case of Jacoba Felicie and the Impact of the Portable Medieval Reader on the Canon of Medieval Women’s History." Medieval Feminist Forum, 42, 2006, 49-62. Park, Katharine. "Medicine and society in medieval Europe, 500-1500." Medicine in Society, edited by Andrew Wear, Cambridge University Press, 1992, 59-90.
This is a really good bit of nuance. In emphasizing the onset of science and modernity, there's a risk for falling for the branding of people who do the burning, not unlike assuming that lousy internet "rationalists" are actually being rational.
I was really hoping to hear your position on this, because you helped me understand a lot about the witch trials that I hadn't heard before. Thanks for this comment.
There was an anatomical womb sculpture dug up in an archaeological site in Italy. There was also a cult of writing, as they called it, filled with goddess names. The problem with women's science of medicine is that it's still a problem being fought for basic birth control options and proper care. That and even this lovely performer calls it pre-science. Still happy with the video though
(I wrote up a whole thing but I think my comment was eaten somehow) video suggestion: the cagots, a european "untouchable" class. they were forced to live in ghettos, forbidden from practicing all but a handful of professions, and had to enter churches through separate doors. at the onset of the french revolution, the oppressive laws against them were struck down, and they eventually assimilated into the rest of society. the thing is, no one really knows why they were oppressed in the first place. what was the original reason for their oppression? what made a cagot a cagot? there are theories, but it's still a mystery. such a video could be used to explore "untouchable" classes in general, why they exist, and what purpose they serve in societies that have them. love the channel, keep up the good work.
My favorite theory is that the Cagots were the first initial Christian converts within their regions and thus an oppressed minority by their pagan peers. By the time Christianity became the imperial state religion, their older form of Christianity was outmoded and considered heretical as compared to those of the newly Rome-sanctioned converts that followed strict theology and traditions as defined by Constantine and the various creeds and councils. The Cathars are a very similar situation of heretical Christians holding beliefs dangerous to temporal authority as they emphasized humility and simple living while distrusting earthly powers and principalities.
I have never heard of the cagots before but they remind me of the Japanese burakumin. I recommend the Japan's Untouchables video on the Rare Earth channel if you haven't heard of them.
cagots are often linked to other, similar groups across Western Europe (and there were many !) who had to follow stricter rules than the average citizen for no good reason ; usually what comes up is that back when most of those groups appeared in text, extreme looking skin conditions were all put in the "it's leprosy don't let them drink our water or touch us" bag. most of those groups have names whose etymology hint back to leprosy, too (including cagots). but yeah, maybe that's just the excuse they used to make them less-than ; saying people you don't like have leprosy is a classic Ancien Régime move, i wouldn't be surprised that the real, initial reason for this category is lost to us forever. on a side note cagots still had it better than Jews, for example, and they were far from being "untouchable" (in France at least, don't know about Spain) the same way Dalit are/were.
@@klassickasey i dont know about thr cagots, but the cathars, while interesting in a certain number of ways, seemed to me when i had a little read on them a good while ago to be largely rooted in deep, deep antisemitism
This was the first Philosophytube vídeo, and for that matter the first Leftube vídeo, i watched and i was so blown away by the quality of It. This vídeo is a master piece.
I'd actually argue that transmisogyny (and probably transphobia in general, though I have less personal experience with the latter) is an attempt, on some level, to reinforce the system that ties women to unpaid reproductive labor. Much of the internal logic of the transmisogyny of cis men is based on the assumption that no one would ever WANT to be a woman, without some biologically essential quality forcing them to be one. If someone who could be a man chose to be a woman instead, then there must be some qualities of womanhood that are inherently desirable and good, and not strictly inferior to the qualities of manhood. And that cannot stand, or it will bring down their entire worldview with it.
“It is an attempt... to reinforce the system that ties women to unpaid reproductive labor” I really like your train of thought here. Under this dynamic, those who refuse to let their gender be defined by their reproductive potential (intersex, trans, and non-binary folx) are a direct refutation of this system. It would seem to me that they would be natural allies to ciswomen in their fight to also not be defined and thus confined by their reproductive potential. Why FARTs insist on upholding this dynamic is beyond me.
Yes, you've just put into words what I've been trying to express for a while as a rebuttal to the harmful and destructive TERF narrative. However, it does work both ways (because TERFs are man-hating feminazis). A woman being a tomboy or a butch lesbian to them is fine, because she shuns the prescribed patriarchal stereotypical norms of femininity, but if someone AFAB comes out as a trans man or trans masc identity, that's a step too far and those people are seen as brainwashed traitors to women. Of course, that's ridiculous, because trans men and trans women come out and transition for the same reason - innate biological & psychological urges, and politicising their gender is something put upon them by critics such as TERFs. tl;dr - trans sexism happens to trans men and women, but with different mental gymnastics designed to justify the critics' position (i.e. screaming "patriarchy".)
Of course men want to be women. They have since the beginning of time lol they hate the fact that they can't reproduce their exploitative society without us. Now they are creating sexbots and attempting to do womb transplants and engineer mechanical wombs so theyll no longer have to rely on us. Everything about patriarchy is a reversal of reality. Penis envy doesn't exist. Womb envy does. Femininity is a male fantasy and if women refuse to fulfill that fantasy then men will create their own women to have total control of, in some cases becoming women themselves.
When you talk about women and magic with their knowledge on herbs and stuff, I always think of Mikos (Shinto Priestesses) in Feudal Japan. These women were respected as healers and possessed tremendous spiritual energy.
Olly also went to acting school after uni so maybe contrapoints helped him realize that he could combine both of his backgrounds in acting and philosophy
The only part of this video I really have trouble with is the idea that magic is the idea of getting something for nothing. I'm not sure why it bothers me so much (I'm agnostic myself), but I really feel like there's something wrong with this line of thinking. The kind of "real life" witch magic we're talking about isn't Harry Potter-style "wave my wand and say some words and shit happens". Being a witch wasn't something you were born as or "magically" became through some kind of rite (or tryst with the devil). It was essentially a profession, and there there's a lot of real work that goes into it. Rituals often take time to prepare, require specific circumstances to be performed under, and require rare, unusual, or difficult to obtain components. Beyond that there would have been a great deal of training and education to become a "proper" witch; even just the skills to locate, identify, harvest, and prepare your ingredients would take years to learn. Witchcraft is complicated; it might not have "strict rules" as would be understood by a modern scientist, but it also wasn't just throwing random plants and animal bits together and going "Ah, yeah, bury this under a goose and your wife will get pregnant no problem." Saying that witches and magic were a way to try and get "something for nothing" or live without work paints these women as lazy and ignorant, even beyond what is typical of your average person, and that's the opposite of true. It IS true that people seeking the aid of witches might have been looking for "easy answers" or whatever, but the same is true today. That's like saying the purpose of the sciences is to live without work and get something for nothing because people want self driving cars and robots to do their dishes.
@@GringaGringa123 Sure, but like I said the onus there is on the people seeking aid, NOT the witch herself or the craft. Using that to say "witchcraft is about getting something for nothing and living without work" is the same as saying that about science, because that's what the layman wants out of it.
@@horsesrock081 He specifically refers to witchcraft itself as the pursuit of getting something for nothing. And, as I said, this is the same as calling science the pursuit of something for nothing because most end users just want smartphones and vaccines.
I agree with your comment but it's a bit annoying for me that you say Harry Potter's witchcraft is just 'waving a wand and say some words and shit happens'. This is far from true. Hell, they are even on a school learning whichcraft the whole time! It takes them years to become proper witches and wizards. The magic has its own laws and you can't create just anything (it might seem from the movies because they usally don't care to explain the details behind every spell/potion/'shit happening'). Potions are made with ingredients of specific kinds, need different rituals and conditions to be effective... basically, JK Rowling mentions ALL the time, that even with magic, you can't just get things for nothing. Probably not important but as a Potterhead, I had to rant.
Tiara Azmalan And magic always requires some sort of sacrifice in order to “work.” A price of one kind or another is built into the incantations and rituals. Always, always, always.
I'm not even wiccan, but I'm grateful, that you approached the topic of magic with respect. After all, it's about respect of the unknown. Of the earh. Of life. That speaks to me. Also hell yeah, let's abolish money, make our own clothes and booze!
"[Magic is] the promise of getting something for nothing" First off, I want to say that I agree with the thesis of the video and I feel like most of the argument hinges on feminist theory, Marxist theory, and just historical context. But this is a pretty gross misrepresentation of "magic." While I am not Wiccan or even full heartedly believe in magic, I have spent a lot of time researching the occult in the context of trying to figure out my own spirituality or even if I am truly spiritual. Pretty much every magical system I am aware of, at least those that predate the witch trials, tend to include work and material sacrifice to achieve the desired outcome. Magic revolves around the idea that there is some way to exchange mundane material or physical effort for supernatural substance- whether that be communion with nature or ancestor spirits, seeing things at a distance or over time, reaching into a body to cure disease, controlling or predicting weather, etc. You can see this in a lot of systems from the weeks long process of sleep deprivation and obscure materials to create the philosophers stone in alchemy, the obtaining of secret incantations and recipes for potions and salves etc that many paegan rituals require, the ingestion of ordeal substances used in a lot of shamanism (i.e. ayahuasca, datura, even arsenic in some traditions, etc), and up to and including our modern conception of magic that comes from Faust- a bargain with a malevolent entity who comes to seek repayment. And arguably if you lift the arbitrary boundaries that we as a culture put around "weird culty magic and nonsense" and accept "religion" as a type of magical system, then you get whole laundry lists of daily behaviors and rituals that one has to follow to be spiritually clean, gain eternal life, achieve enlightenment, have prayers answered, and/or whatever the "goal" of a particular religion may be. The type of "work" required for magic is definitely a lot different than the kinds of exchanges of labor and material that we experience in mundane life or under capitalism, so maybe that's more what the quote intended, but practitioners of magic obviously had some sense that it seemed like not everyone could just will supernatural powers into existence- otherwise they would just be, well, natural powers. Like there was obviously some limiting valve on the potential for magic which either had something to do with altering the person or altering the material world which is where the evolution into protoscientific discoveries happened. Eventually people were discovering some concrete recipes and processes that had reproducible results, and thus those are the discoveries we are left with while the more spiritual or abstract practices are lost to time or left with a thousand versions written in flowery, obscure metaphors written in rotting manuscripts all over the world. Idk this is probably a stupid angle to take because most people here... don't believe in magic at all and that wasn't even the point of the video other than being a framing device. I did like the video.
I think (and take me with a grain of salt here, as I'm only taking a stab at an intent I obviously don't fully know) that it wasn't meant to imply that magical practice required neither effort nor exertion, but rather that it stands opposite from reason or rationality. Magic, regardless of system, is the ultimate "black box" of causal relationships - an arcane formula that produces a result that one could never expect from the ingredients going into it. How does it function? We don't know, we can't really know. It's inside that interface, the unknowing, that magic can exist. It's the only place it can ever exist, really. Even the practitioner of magic with their charts of metaphysical formulae, the orders and bands of celestial beings, or their assortment of implements cannot really tell you how the magic works. They know (within the strictures of this metaphor) how to provoke what they need, that a circle of fennel seeds will repel ghosts or that iron filings and a goat's tongue can silence one's enemy, but the mechanisms are entirely hidden from all involved. In the vein of the discussion of this video, magic is a system that doesn't involve barter or wages of scale, it doesn't deal in tangible products. The practitioner of magic isn't a creature of the physical world, where science defines law or economy circumscribes class - they're a creature of the immaterial and their trade is in the ephemeral or the fantastical. That's my $0.02, in any case.
"Magic is getting something from nothing" is directly quoting (the first half of) the main concept from 'Caliban and the Witch,' the book by Silvia Federici that he name-dropped in the beginning. If you're going to issue with that conception of magic, then go talk to her. And do your homework first; bring sources. She's put in a lot more work than you on this, and for a lot longer. (The second half is that primitive capitalists worked to destroy witchcraft as a phenomenon because of needing Work, which magic is the refusal of.)
IMO, this is meant in terms of capitalism, in terms of exploitation. Magick requires a lot of energy, time, and even knowledge yes, but witches are helping/healing those in need for little to nothing in return. That is all that phrase is trying to state. This practice is not for profit. Go back to 6:35 and listen to the context of the quote.
This... is the most coherent discussion yet on why I'm drawn to magic despite being staunchly atheist and loving science. I think magic is an important part of society in that it's an admission that we will never know everything about the world. It's an acknowledgement that it's okay to not know, that mystery is the driving force of our progression. It's rebellion, it's connection to nature and our place in it. Cursing is an expression of rage and hurt where justice fails us. Blessing and wards are an attempt to control what we cannot, to hopefully tip the scales just a little in our favour. It's also for everyone. You can't possibly say that magic is for white people only (and believe me neo nazis try) because magic belongs to every culture and country on earth. It's good and bad and philosophical and atheist and religious. 'Don't @ me astrology twitter, this is the pettiest hill I will die on.' PFFFT. I mean I'll die on that hill with you.
Sure. But you're forgetting how flexible human thinking is. I am perfectly capable of dodging pseudo-science and avoiding scams, I don't buy crystals and '''natural healing'' for that reason. It's why I don't believe in Astrology. At the same time I can forget all that for a few hours and just have fun. It's the same feeling you get when you sit up to watch a thunderstorm, seeing the lightning streak across the sky and smelling the ozone in the air and you understand in that moment, why people believe in gods. I can appreciate the beauty of fibonacci spirals in the seed head of a flower and feel a shiver down my spine on a misty morning. It's also a valuable form of therapy. When I'm anxious about things I'm unable to change, science fails me. Because anxiety and fear are not rational beasts. So a bit of hocus pocus focuses my mind and satisfies my urge to do something. There is a whole branch of magic called 'chaos magic' where practitioners only believe in gods in the moment they need something, the moment they're doing a spell. To me this is trying to have your cake and eat it too, but clearly it works for some folks. And discussing this with my friends brought up new avenues of discussion and re-ignited long dead philosophical discussion because there's only so many times you can say 'gods not real.' A more interesting question might be 'does our intent and our belief, create gods?' 'Can magic be explained as a product of human experience that science can't yet understand?' I have days when I'm totally convinced there's nothing out there. But I also have days when I'm superstitious, where my rational mind flees in the face of something truly frightening and I need to fall back on something older to keep my wits about me. It also represents a connection to culture that I otherwise lack. I’m a white Australian and we have no folklore, no mythologies that are our own. My mum told me stories from her childhood in England, about faerie rings and frightening evil spirits away by ringing in the new year. But she’s atheist and scoffs at magic. Yet she told me those stories and I wanted to know more. I grew up on stories which drew heavily on King Arthur and pagan folklore. Of course it’s gonna be a large part of my identity even if I did stick with the rational. Magic is bullshit, except in the ways it isn’t. It’s more than just spells and funny rocks. It's a coping mechanism and a cultural connection you might otherwise lack. If you're a folklore nerd like me, it's really fascinating.
Ha! I'm also an atheist witch, and yet somehow also believes in the utility of magic and of divinity as a way of describing the feeling of awe and inscrutability of the universe as a whole. I'm also super into witchcraft as a form of rebellion, something I have recently taken to the next level by going largely off-grid and opting out of most consumerist trappings while reconnecting to the land, growing food, and living according to the rythms of the sun and seasons. Anyway, you might wanna take a look at Atheopaganism, an interesting movement I just stumbled upon.
I remember being a hardline New Atheist. I was subbed to Amazing Atheist at the time. Then he said some rudeass shit about feminism and I was like "...what? I thought we were here to dunk on the religious right!" As it turns out, I just wanted to dunk on the Right as a whole.
Bro I was the same as well, but my experience was more like Olly's. When I heard them justifying the Iraq war because "Muslims dead=good", they lost me. That war caused so much death and destruction for American troops and Iraqi civilians, and anyone who thinks it was "good" has completely lost their mind.
this is even more relevant when you think about how the pandemic has impacted women - they've been such a large portion of the jobs lost and they've been expected in many cases to take on the responsibility of caring for kids stuck at home. it's clear and disturbing how quickly so much of the progress we've made falls apart and women are pushed back into a primarily reproductive role
I always enjoyed Terry Pratchett's approach to witchcraft. the idea of headology, The Maiden The Mother and The Other One. that they rarely used magic, but often relied on common sense and scientific knowledge.
"Sufficiently-advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -Arthur C. Clarke "Sufficiently-advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology." -Sir Terry Pratchett
I think one of the points made is that "why" it works is a very consumist/scientificist thing to say. Sure, we now think of it in that way, but people taking part of it probably didn't care and took part of it for different reasons, and using our current framework may make us miss a broader look on what it meant.
@@ekki1993 Marxism is based on scientific and material analysis, how is science itself consumerist? Marxism isn't about abolishing work or truth, it's about making work democratic and upholding truth instead of capitalist ideology.
@@shutdownexecute3936 I'm not exactly sure what I was trying to say about the original comment nor how your point relates to mine, but I think I can explain what I meant. I was talking about magic, not marxism. Making magic strictly about how it works is the capitalist approach. Sure, nowadays it uses the scientific method for that, but the point is that magic can only be consumed if it can be replicated. And that's not "closer to the truth" when it comes to magic, but our capitalist society made most of us think like that.
@@ekki1993 Achieving a mechanistic understanding of how things work and how we can use them to materially improve the lives of everyone and meet everyone's needs couldn't be more anti-capitalist, and just because capitalists use science to exploit labor and natural resources in the most efficient way possible doesn't mean that science and truth themselves are forever tainted by capitalism. We need to consume to survive, to live healthy, functional lives, to meet our most basic needs, and there's nothing capitalist about it.
"And for this stunningly comprehensive analysis, I was named Male Historian of the Year" This is funny for *two* reasons now. I wonder why she thought to mention 'Male' in her joke, if it was a reference to something about women not being represented in awards or something, but the joke has aged like fine wine.
How do you expect us to concentrate on what you’re saying when you’re taking your shirt off and wielding a claymore? That’s just not fair. Also your videos are just going from strength to strength, this topic is something I’ve been mulling over a lot recently myself, the how the new atheism got co-opted by capitalists, thing. I didn’t realise I had it backwards. Awesome work comrade.
Olly is very attractive, I know, I cri * sob * Also UA-cam "Atheist" community is a severe let down for me. Bunch of sexist bullshit with no redeemable qualities as far as the eye can see (correct me if I am wrong, please). Like!!!! What the fuck, dude!!!??? Where are my calm-headed humour-loving chill brethren who want to discuss and cry about how religion makes no sense but they may still miss the hope/assurance it provided? How atheistic existentialism can be a positive, happy thing but how it also gets so sad sometimes to think * this * is all there is? Where are my atheist pals wondering about how to reconcile the idea of their own mortality and place in the universe without religion backing them up? Where are my peeps - respectfully - discussing how bizzare religions' myth and rituals can get? How religion is culturally SO significant but no thanks, I still don't want it for myself? Those who want to appreciate religion still from afar; and those who see it as systematic opression (but don't attack identities)? Are you an atheist who manages to believe in fate or some kinda "spirituality" or in the super-natural???? Those atheists who were always that way; those from families where religion is important; even those who go back into faith. I wanna see even small stuff discussed like being an atheist who loves saying "oh my god" because you cannot let go of the habit (like me). You know! Cool shit like that. Not feminazi-snowflake-destroy-the-soy-boy or whatever new crap oh my gwaaaaaad.
@@oof-rr5nf ill be honest i dont go on YT enough yo know about the communities, but at least IRL, most the convos u got going there i tend to hear around agnostics as opposed to atheists
@@ZillytheJellyfish That sure is interesting! I am pretty certain about being an atheist. But people who identify as "agnostic" do strike my curiosity. Personally, I don't see the difference between the two? It is like bi/pan distinction to me. Some difference, but not many. Please, correct me if I am wrong.
8:11 and then he explained why I couldn't stand Harry Potter when I was 12. My inner child was overjoyed by the validation. My adult leftie woman self was extremely pleased.
When discussing women who can't produce offspring, regardless of whether or not they have a womb, we need to keep in mind just where that would have put them on the social ladder in a society that saw women only as tools of reproduction. If a Marxist feminist wants to question how sexism applies in these cases, they need only ask themselves how "useless" women were and are treated.
For anyone interested 1:01 is from Macbeth and 24:44 is from The Tempest and is one of Prospero's most famous soliloquys. Never thought I would hear these two pieces spoken about in relation to gender, but anything is possible I guess.
"Grandpappy told my pappy, back in my day, son A man had to answer for the wicked that he done Take all the rope in Texas find a tall oak tree, Round up all them bad boys hang them high in the street For all the people to see" - This is a verse from a 2003 top of the charts country song. The whole lynching phase of US culture is not that distant, nor is it seen as a barbaric embarrassment as slavery and manifest destiny are.
I looked at the comments for the UA-cam Video for that song and it is FILLED not just with people praising lynch mobs, but actively calling for the return of lynch mobs.
Philosophy is built on past thoughts. And all these points still stand. You could dress it up differently for that specific argument, but in my opinion, the warning hits even harder when it was said before the verdict.
The contrast between witchcraft on the one hand and capitalism and science gets more interesting if you tie the latter together. Olly might have implied this when he said "Some days are just bad for working, don't plant crops on those days." but I'm gonna make it explicit here: Historian Yuval Noah Harari writes in his book "Homo Deus" (in a chapter called "The Witch Hunt" coincidentally) "Science is above all interested in power. Through research it aims to acquire the power to cure diseases, fight wars and produce food." The point he's making there is about something else but it works here, too. Modern science is the accumulation of power, capitalism is the exploitation of it. They developed at the same time, hand in hand for that reason. Capitalism requires an increase in production because otherwise investments don't pay off. The best way to achieve that is to increase the ability to bend the world to your will, which science provides. The insistence of not just the unknown but the unknowable throws doubt on science's claim that the power of humanity (or some part of it) can be increased in a meaningful way and hence that the capitalists' investment will ever pay off. Witchcraft is the refusal to work BECAUSE it is the refusal of an explanation.
yep, studying biology, and so far it is all about start-ups, patenting, selling your idea to the highest bidder, using super expensive patented cloning kits, using the "authority" a degree brings to sway rich people to pay you lots, (we can make viruses from "nothing" btw, and apparently the fbi gets all "safety-talky" on some biologists). basically i feel like scientists are treated like children, while less well intentioned people truly profit. don't get me started though on the madness some biotech companies use to get you to buy stuff...
weirdly powerful mercutio vibes here? anyway i am pumped to hear the connective tissue between those subjects and also enjoy leftist arthaus aesthetique
One issue I got is that Sargon was almost NEVER part of the "UA-cam Atheist" thing. Like he literally just showed up when the "sjw" craze began happening.
Yeah, he was never really part of the early "golden age" of youtube atheism (back when atheism was the edgiest thing here. lol). It wasn't until other "skeptics" started "DESTROYING" Anita Sarkeesian, that Sargon kinda pushed himself into the "skeptic" market.
I thought the part where Sargon calls him is because he said "marxist feminists weren't right about everything." I don't think the video was implying that Sargon was a "new atheist". I mean Shapiro and Peterson are not new atheists either, in fact the opposite.
And let's not forget that he's the worst of the bunch. Armoured sceptic is way more reasonable (even though he's often wrong, he just has more nuance and takes criticism better). And don't even get me started on placing Sam Harris in the same list.
You know, I've followed you for about six months and watched your entire backlog, except this video. I am a neopagan, and I was worried magical traditions would not get a fair shake in the video. Honestly, though, this ended up being a lot more fair than I expected and was very intriguing in its commentary, especially as someone very interested in medieval and early modern European history. So, in summation, great job! I wish I had watched this sooner.
Hey! I'm starting to be intrested in wichtcraft, can you help me with the research? I tried finding good websites but everytime I feel like it's silly/trying to bait me into buying something. Just a side note, I live in North Africa. It's impossible for me to find any guidance here.
I draw deep solace from remembering that Abigail honors her prior gender experience. It's a stance that's so needed and welcomed by some of us later-in-life questioners (OK, perhaps it's only me, so I'll speak for myself), who feel like the hard rejection of decades of living, loving, learning, and accomplishment is too high a price to exact on the path to comfort and authenticity.
I was a little uneasy going into this video as a neopagan. But despite getting a few things wrong about magick and the way it's used by actual practitioners, I do appreciate the way you still approach this topic with respect. That's certainly more than I can say for the majority of other people who don't believe in magick and who try to tackle this same topic.
@@jasminepandit9861 the "mix a few ingrediants to make someone fall in love with you" stuck out to me. spells are not to alter anyone's free will (i would consider that evil in my practice), and mixing a few ingrediants is a gross oversimplification.
@@mxashe I see, so there are moral bounds to using magick? Is there like a separate set of rules known to practitioners of what is OK and not OK--and if so, how is this enforced? And could you elaborate on why it's a gross oversimplification?
@@jasminepandit9861 so there are a couple things i need to explain first- -there are soooo many different ways and customs in paganism. think christianity, how the main core belief in jesus is there but other than that they all have different ideas about a lot of things. thats how it is with paganism. -these core ideas are usually the belief in some form of God & Goddess, represented by the Sun & Moon, and a belief in the sanctity of nature, in which we are part. i base my practice off the an additional idea: -if i interact with anyone else's free will, or use magick in a way that is evil or otherwise offensive to wicca, i will experience what i put out into the world come back to me threefold. for example, if i cast a love spell, it might work, but if so then it might work too well, or something other ill fate will come back to me. kind of like karma. this is enforcement enough, no "magick police" will show up at your door. and, it could be seen as a gross oversimplification because magick is a little more than just mixing around shit in a bowl and chanting in latin. please keep in mind that all im saying here is what i believe in and practice, other pagans might differ wildly. i would do some research if you're really interested in it, there's never been more resources out there! edit :: somehow i didnt remember her saying that magick can make you fly or turn invisible. no, we cannot fly.
the perception that history is linear and humanity just gets less barbaric and more progressive as it goes along is bonkers and i don't fully grasp why it's pushed so much. i don't know if you're gonna read this olly but if you do i recommend you check out "joana dark", a music video by Ava Rocha about deviant women and witchcraft. it's absolutely beautiful and if you look it up i'll even translate the lyrics for you ;)
My guess is that comes from two things: 1. the 20th century (i.e. living memory) saw a massive increase in rights and equality in the English-speaking world, especially following WWII, along with the destruction of autocracy & official curtailing of aristocracy in western Europe and official colonialism around the world. The idea of a self-determining democratic political system as we know it has only been something of the default for at most a century. Especially in the US, there's been a series of massive victories for equality and civil rights since the 60s, and up until Trump's election they seemed likely to continue apace. 2. More cynically, if people are told that progress is linear and everything is just getting better, it's easier to get them to overlook attempts to undermine the real victories. For example, if you crow about the Civil rights acts in the US, you can also talk whatever shit you want about black people being "welfare queens" or "junkies", and if someone points out that those terms are racist dogwhistles everyone can just say "we passed the civil rights act, we are past racism!" Eventually people may catch on, but the idea of linear progress still creates this myth that equates laws and labels with the actual state of affairs, or otherwise makes it hard to point out when things are getting worse.
On the third hand, the notion that progress is linear breeds an expectation that things will keep getting better, and people generally don't like it when their expectations are subverted. If people believe that shit is just shit and has always been shit forever except for a brief glimmer of false hope the happened to be born into the tail end of, they're more likely to roll over and accept that life is shit. But if they think that things naturally get better the further into the future you go, they get indignant that bad shit is still around so much later, e.g. the "it's [current year]!" meme.
meowcules sure thing! [Verse] look at the queens, look at the queens the queens of sin are arriving a lil smoke, a lil smoke a lil smoke of sin, i'm taking a drag are you enjoying it? are you having fun? open your eyes because here i am the one in charge [bridge] i'm the one in charge, i'm the one in charge i'm the one burning in the sinful fires i'm the one burning, i'm the one burning i'm the one burning in the sinful fires - the chorus makes some wordplay with the words "quem mando" which means "in charge" and "queimando" which means "burning" [chorus] Joana Dark Joana Dark Joana Da Da Da Da Dark Joana Dark Joana Dark Joana Da Da Da Da Dark [Verse] the whole week, the whole week burning herbs because i am a witch are you high? what is this? it's just me blowing my witchcraft onto your mouth watch the drool! you are drooling! close your mouth because here i am the one in charge [bridge] i'm the one in charge, i'm the one in charge i'm the one burning in the sinful fires i'm the one burning, i'm the one burning i'm the one burning in the devil's fire [chorus] Joana Dark Joana Dark Joana Da Da Da Da Dark Joana Dark Joana Dark Joana Da Da Da Da Dark
I always loved the phrase 'We are the daughters of the witches you couldn't burn' (or something around that line) so I really felt that in this video...
As a descendant of an accused woman who refused to make a false confession to being a "witch", who was executed by hanging, I really dislike that saying.
Friendly reminder that you are beautiful and I'm proud of you for being comfortable enough to take off your shirt in a video. You've cone a long way from just your face being visible.
This video took 3 hours to watch because my partner and I kept pausing it to add our own life experience to the proceedings. Its my experience teachers like to know when they've sparked spirited discussion between students, so I hope that gives you a smile Abbie ♡
God shit i just got into her videos and youtube keeps showing me older and older videos of her in quick succession and its a fucking shock to see how much she's changed so quickly. Proud of and happy for her!!!
Adds a whole new layer of ominousness to the fact that Disney has systematically taken over the dominant western cultural understanding of "magic", and is using it to make money for powerful white men.
There's an important part of the KKK you missed, I think. It was a backlash. (Warning: reading) After the Civil War, Congress established a lot of power over the (former) Confederate states and started forcing them to not be extremely racist. It actually worked, for a few years there. Some black people got former plantation land and with it economic independence, some Southern legislatures became majority black, the first black governor was elected and a black baseball player became the first in the major league. Along with this, education for all became a priority. There were black schools with black teachers that educated children and adults and taught former slaves and the very poor non-planter whites for the first time. This was a big deal, as the South was extremely underdeveloped and there was essentially no public education. (Don't do slavery, kids. It's not just the slaves that suffer.) Black men voted, and black women became activists. Rights for African Americans were seriously improving. However, this all required Northern interference, and the rich white people in the South were getting more and more pissed by the day, whining about their abundance of rights and such like a bunch of toddlers. Unfortunately for everyone, these toddlers had access to weapons and white bedsheets. They started lynching and massacring black people in order to, *sigh*, "restore" the power that had been "unjustly ripped" from their poor, white hands. Sound familiar? In short, the KKK was a terrorist group that was founded as a violent backlash to an era of improvement for human rights, both black and white. They weren't keeping black people in their place after they'd been freed from slavery, they were putting them back in their place after they had escaped from many of the other things that came with slavery. Their violence succeeded at driving black voters away from the polls, allowing white legislatures to make laws that reversed the progress that had been made towards equality. As for the North, they simply couldn't muster enough support for black people in the faraway South to continue with Reconstruction, and had to draw out their troops eventually, leaving black Americans in the South on their own once again. My point is, read about Reconstruction. It's actually very interesting and the lies people have been fed about it have led to an alarming level of defense for Confederate monuments and the Confederacy in general across the US. The historiography surrounding it was simply false, and there's a lot more than I can get into in a single UA-cam comment.
this sounds very interesting! do you mind if i ask for books/readings/historians whose research revolves around this? i'm not very well versed in us history (im from a country an ocean away lol) but i *really* like reading historical research and this sounds right up my alley! i'd like to read both the distorted historiography and the more accurate one to get a feel for the sort of narrative that's being projected (which is something i've done for state-sanctioned history in my country haha) and how much it departs from the "most coherent" version of history. i hope you don't mind, i'd just rather prefer to be pointed in the right direction and then go off from the literature there ahaha!
@@lettucewriter W.E.B. Du Bois was someone who originally started debunking the lies the Dunning School cooked up about Reconstruction. You can look both of those things up. I bet Eric Foner would help you out. Pretty sure he wrote a pretty good book on the Civil War (that I can't remember the name of). Maybe Jill Lepore as well? One thing I do to find sources for things is go to the Wikipedia page on a subject and look at the works cited of the Wikipedia page. You'll find some good websites, books, and such as a jumping off point for research. It could also help you find primary sources.
Is Capitalism really without magical thought (You know, getting something without paying the cost)? Producing and expecting a constant growth in consumption without ever running out of resources or any damage to the environment and that keeping such an economic system while trying to reduce our carbon footprint seems pretty much like wishful/magical thinking to me.
If he understood magic at all, he would know that magic isn't doing nothing to get something. Magic has always been about using rituals, materials, time and sacrifice to power the spells, hexes, charms, curses, amulets or whatever. Plus pagans in Europe are not the only groups who do or ever did practice forms of magic. There are more "magic" users today than there have ever been in any time in world history. Also traditionally women were NOT the more powerful in these sorts of cultures where magic is/was practiced. Men have always found ways to subjugate women, and this includes in places that practice shamanism, animism, spiritualism, wicca or whatever.
@@Meskarune I don't know about the rest of the world, but in the Germanic world, magic was something for women and practiced almost exclusively by women. It's also the reason why this "women were not more powerful" is not actually true, since witches held A LOT of power in those days. I believe it was Caesar who wrote about his suprise to see that the Germanic warriors followed orders from their "matrones", which coming from a Roman was of course very strange since women were nothing more than cattle in Roman society. Actually, I'm from Flanders (Belgium) and we have historical evidence as recent as 17th century showing that women held a great deal of power. They owned property, did their own finances, were allowed to divorce, had a job, could inheret property and titles and so on. There are documents about men being put on trial for beating their wives, suggesting that domestic violence was illegal. They even found several letters from travellers who travelled to Flanders, stating that the women "behaved like beasts" because they slept with whomever they wanted, showing that they had a great deal of sexual freedom as well. Granted, it all went to shit after that, with the rise of capitalism and liberalism, but still...
Where are all these resources going? they must be here somewhere, we are not shipping them off to another planet, everything can be recycled, as for plants we now have seed banks, so all known plants are going nowhere.
@@myname9748 Hey, fellow Belgian here and I'm a bit surprised about what you're saying, I've not heard anything like this before. Any reading material you can recommend about this subject, because it sounds pretty interesting!
"this is the pettiest hill I will die on" Says the typical taurus near the cusp that I'm assuming was born at some point around midday based on the luscious mane and histrionic demeanor!
@Bill Voss why, exacly? Also, why do any man have work if it is cheaper to hire women, who get less pay for equal position anyway? Also, a women just try to reach higher position less often. Well, there could be some influence to women, but do you think that women aren't enought independentn to use their skills and merit to aquare high positions? What do you think about cencorship of GAB?
@Bill Voss GAB is social network with free speach, that lost host and paypal account because one of the users comited murder. Basicaly. Isn't todays cilicon waley giants also big totalitarian left pro-cencorship club? Also, men are more often idiots and gineoses then women, statistically. And there is big artificial monopoly problem. It's weird how in US people are to polorized to force goverment to do something about monopolys. There is also education problem. I think people should get equal opportunities, at least by goverment education and free healthcare. But expecting 50/50 is dumb. Poverty is big problem for men. Few rich guys don't make men priviliged.
@@principleshipcoleoid8095 Free speech always has limits. Should you be able to promote your illegal activities in GAB because free speech? Shoulc you be able to tell outright lies on youtube because free-speech? Where do you draw the line? Go back to /pol/, they care about GAB's and stormfront's rights as much as you do. And will reinforce your self victimizing.
@@frechjo well, no one agrued for death threads, because they are harmfull. Not everythinh illigal is bad, and how could anyone stop ban of something without talking about it. GAB shiuld not be responsible of actions of its users, as arn scial media on hich som violent antifa propoganda is spread. Probably, promoting illegal staf is bad idea, but discussing if something should be illigal can be usefull in some cases. Example: same sex mariage. Also, you cant falesely acuse someone of anything. Most types of false acusation are illigal. Lying, on the other hand, isnt. Both ideologys have proponets lying about something for policial reasons. Nor everyn, of course.
That was brilliant. I actually stayed for the whole patreon supporter scroll because I wanted to just sit there and absorb all that. Brilliant script, brilliant delivery, brilliant music, and a really unique and informative way of looking this subject matter, I learned a lot, thanks Olly
S a m e . I'm a wix now, of course. (Not religiously; but symbolically/aesthetically.) Gotta find my way out of this jar in a way that actually works. ⭐
As an atheist i find the existence of far right atheists like sargon of akkad depressing, long ago i thought that all atheists are progressive but every group of people has bad apples.
@@rattyeely Nah there's still more secular progressive atheists, and i think it will stay that way. 95% of atheists i know are very secular,nice people and i would call most of them humanists.
You shouldn't have kinship with other Atheists, that's a wholly negative category. Social Darwinists can be atheists in as much as Secular Humanists. What matters is the belief system being out forward.
It's almost like Atheism only refers to a type of belief in the divine (in this case the belief that the divine does not exists) and not any specific belief system and much in the way Theism only refers to a type of belief in the divine and not any specific belief system.
@@blixer8384 Atheists don't "belive that divine does not exist" By phrasing it that way you shift the burden of proof onto us. I know it's probably accidental.
New career choice : Going back to the woods and start a new life as a non-consumer witch.
Honestly that's the goal
May I join your coven, please?
I am already doing it! Really.
Take me with you
Where do I apply
"Harry Potter is a bit of a bourgeois fantasy" is going to be my senior quote, folks.
do eet
It totally is! Ahaha... but he's wrong about one thing, its a public school with no entry exam other than being born magic and free as far as we know (as evidenced by poor families attending).
@@Bimtavdesign when he said that I was kind of confused, I thought maybe "private school" meant something different in Britain.
Maybe its referring to the "birth lottery" which basically means that the chance of the average person becoming rich really only depends on your birth. Born into poverty? Life is going to kick the shit out of you. Born into the upperclass (because lets be real there is no middle class), your life is probably going to be just fine and you'll make many successes in life.
@@archiealexandre828 I think what most likely happened is Olly didn't bother to fact check his Harry Potter reference because it was a brief joke and he forgot/never knew in the first place how children get accepted to Hogwarts. Your analysis does make sense though. And we have an example of being unable to rise above the circumstances of your birth with Petunia writing to Dumbledore and begging to go to Hogwarts.
"Hatred and prejudice will never be eradicated. And the witch hunts will never be about witches. To have a scapegoat, that's the key." - witcher
There's a lot of truth in this book series...
in the past the king was held accountable for failed harvests, sacrificed as atonement. i suggest we bring this tradition back, trump immolation 2020
Gerardo del rivero
cant like cz the like count is 666
@@sawtoothiandi to be fair though, Trump is/was a symptom of a sick and indifferent system... To blame only him leaves Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, Bush, Romney, McConnell, MSNBC, CNN, Fox News, Koch Bro’s, Prager, etc, off the hook.
I got a Bloomberg ad.
Like anyone who watches horny theatrical marxist feminist philosophy is ever going to vote Bloomberg.
YEAH
The fact this was only two months ago makes me wanna scream
@@actualgamerowned Imagine what the world'll look like in another two months
My GOD that man wasted so much money on that campaign
@@aballsack530 So what? It's his to waste. This is what an efficient economy looks like, right?
"Witches are a non-consumer category."
Hot Topic: "Hold my beer"
Not even wrong though.
Not just hot topic. I’m a witch (of the atheist variety- it’s a thing), and let me tell you, witchy shops not only exist, they’re bloody expensive! $50 for a plain small iron cauldron! $50 for a small unlined, plain journal (that has a symbol on the front). Witch history and spell books that are as expensive as uni textbooks. Altar covers (which are just cloth) that are over $50-$60.
Bloody expensive, let me tell you! You’re far better off buying candles and incense from a dollar store, and it’ll only cost you 10% of what you’d pay at a witch store.
Definitely a consumer category!
@@katherinemorelle7115 As a fellow witch, I definitely agree with you that magical tools can be very expensive, but I believe that magic is just making do with what you have or what you can gather. I agree with the 'non consumerist' view though because quite a few witches and Wiccans believe in balance, that if you take something from the earth, like a cutting of a plant, you should give in return, so that it doesn't become exploitive. Just my view, though
@@katherinemorelle7115 I think it's really important to buy as ethically as possible, so I often do spend high prices and encourage others to when they are able. A lot of the stuff out there is just price gouging, but you can find genuinely well crafted items made with passion. Not everyone can afford that, a dollar store witch is still a valid witch. A good example is I recently bought a handmade besom for $50 from someone I found on Etsy within driving distance to me, so I could pick it up from them directly and bypass shipping. So I wouldn't say all high prices are negative, it really depends on the item
@@katherinemorelle7115 I am also an atheist witch beginning my path to becoming a druid. I intend to start a sect that proclaims that capitalism poisons magic and will set it in reverse of your intentions, meaning if you bought a cauldron for $50 at a shop rather than petitioning a friend to make it for you in exchange for either something you made/grew yourself, or some sort of service they deem adequate, then it will likely do the opposite of what you wanted. I plan to start a practice of cursing ourselves and all that we sow, to not only make it so for ourselves, but spread it to others that interact with us and our magic and items to a lesser degree.
I'm really tired of people saying olly is becoming contrapoints. He has been working on bringing his acting into the show for a long time. Yes he is borrowing some aesthetic influence from her but he has drawn on PBS idea channel for years and no one would suggest that he was a copy cat Mike. I think Olly still brings that philosophy tube original spice.
I don't think anyone is criticizing him just making the connection
I think it seems like she could've been involved in the making of this video, because of the beautiful lighting which afaik he's never used before, and tge fact that the topic of the video us clearly her specialty
Hah, I don't mind people noting the similarities - she is pretty inspiring! Though to be fair when it comes to subject matter I've been talking about gender and Marxism for about six years lol
People say this? I mean I've seen her influence here too. But like...people SAY this?
@@PhilosophyTube I've enjoyed seeing her inspiration because I think the biggest thing you're getting from her isn't lighting or word distortion but rather the way you view your channel as an art. I appreciate the changes and look forward to seeing your technique develop more.
I'm incredibly biased but I would love to see you use your new style to look again at some of your old topics(specifically March topics if you know what I'm saying ;)
@Khaled Rapp I like it in moderate doses. I spend more time on communist left tube so I don't see it as often
Here's a joke this reminded me of: A man goes to the doctor. Says he's feeling unwell, absolutely miserable, and he doesn't know why. The doctor asks him a few questions, does a couple tests, and then tells him "You're gonna have to take some medication. Buy these pills and take a red one every morning, a yellow one every midday, and a blue one every evening, each with a glass of water. See me again in two weeks."
The man follows the doctor's advice and two weeks pass. He goes to the doctor and says "Doctor, you have changed my life! I feel so much better now, like I turned ten years younger! But tell me, what was wrong with me?" and the doctor says "you didn't drink enough water"
My dad told me this one joke I thought was funny.
The doctor calls one of his patients.
“I have bad news and even worse news. You have 24 hours to live.”
“What could possibly be worse than that??”
“I forgot to call you yesterday.”
i guess that ties in nicely with that peterson diet part
Tom 😂 Hunter gatherers did a lot of things, mate. Tell me, have you decided to go live in the wilderness?
@@Tom-qz8xw We wuz cavemenz!
@@Tom-qz8xw well it's not bad... But the term is Hunter / gather not " exclusively hunted meat cuz it's good" now isn't it? I doubt they cared too much about personalized diets considering they were literally just trying to survive and didn't have any kind of society that allowed for working outside of the confines of being a hunter or a gatherer except for in special cases...
"I was named male historian of the year"
ABBY I THINK YOU HAVE AN AWARD TO RETURN 🤣🤣🤣
... yeah ...
"Hey so... About that whole 'male historian of the year ' thing..."
just deface the trophy by writing an "fe" with permanent marker or somehting. I can just imagine Abi doing that as a joke.
@@yourbifriendaspen3629 kinda feels like there could be a joke similar to ron swanson winning women of the year lol
She's still a male woman tho
@@motc8238 hey do me a favor and cut yourself off from the internet for the rest of your life, we don't want to you exposing yourself as dumber than a bag of rocks again
"Witches are a non-consumer category."
Please tell me you're digging into some Desmond Manderson in this one!
witches are inedible then
Mathieu Leader Non-consumer, not non-consumable. Witches are perfectly edible and in fact, they often enjoy being eaten out, if you catch my meaning. Case by case basis of course, and consent and all that good stuff. Don't try to eat out a Witch without their explicit consent, kids!
@Philisophy Tube Will this be regular?
that's good
"This is the pettiest hill I will die on"
somebody start making t-shirts
@@무군 you do believe in astrology?
time to get witch hunted
@@무군 What's astrology? It's not astronomy. So what is it? Is it a witchy way to cure cancer? I keep seeing "cancer" around astrology.
@@aldenheterodyne2833 I know this is late but it is defining your personality and future on the time of year you were born
@@lookihaveausernametoo4231 Huh... That seems really arbitrary.
I suppose it's no more arbitrary than defining people by their skin tone.
So long as people don't start killing or dehumanizing each other over what time of year they were born... It seems like a harmless, if strange, thing to do.
@@aldenheterodyne2833 yeah it's fairly harmless just really weird
Many of the women killed during the inquisition were targeted because they were property owners, and conveniently, when they were arrested, their property would be confiscated by the church or whoever was wielding the power at the arrest.
Also, I wonder if it was women who had the roll of curing/preparing food for the winter (I'm not sure about the actual gardening etc) which would enable their communities to be more independent.
I think that it had a lot less to do with people claiming to have "magical powers" than is typically presented.
JoRiver11 Also Inquisition used the whole “heresy” thing for justifying killing Jewish people.
Oh and Beer. Let's not forget Beer. Woman pretty much ran breweries, and lo and behold- after the Witch craze.... they were run by Monks....
If you don't mind, where did you hear that?
The problem with your point is that the vast majority of women who were murdered during the witch trials weren’t land owners. They were outcasts, usually old, living alone, poor, already very disenfranchised. There were a few people who had standing is society who were targeted but they were the exception.
Well, you shouldn't mix up the inquisition and the witch hunt. Those were two different things.
Thank you for speaking on the lynching of my people, African Americans, in such a historically accurate and respectful way.
Yeah we're gonna need this
@James Hardon That's not the same thing. Cancel culture isn't really real.
@@thisisisabella3634 cancel culture is real, but has lost a lot of its original purpose (to hold those in power accountable for their actions) and is now more focused on petty drama and being a sadistic entertainment spectacle.
to compare it to black people getting literally murdered by the police, however, is insensitive at best. those two things are, in my opinion, in no way comparable.
The biggest problem facing black homicide right now is other black people, not cops.
@@notloki3377 what a braindead racist take. Poverty is the root cause of violent crime, and racist policing is one of the contributing factors
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"...and slavery in the United States was not quite abolished, but abolished for everybody except prisoners"
IMPORTANT!! Thank you for noting this!!
He’s one of the few people on UA-cam who isn’t black who acknowledges that slavery is reiterated in the form of false imprisonment... Not just blacks (only mostly) but even some are white, and just thrown in there for some fucked up chosen reason . Rarely do you ever see conservatives refer to illegal immigrants Europeans (unless they are brown) when they speak about illegal immigration just the Hispanics and occasionally Africans on national tv that is so it’s clear where the Cons stand on race...
@@BARelement How many illegal immigrants come from Europe?
@@tortture3519 Around 6% of unauthorized immigrants in the US are from Canada, Europe or Oceania. In comparison, around 3% are African.
@@Kokorisu Thank you.
Our current tip system especially places like louisiana are basically a slavery system and literally developed to opress people of color post racism
"The thing about witchcraft,’ said Mistress Weatherwax, ‘is that it’s not like school at all. First you get the test, and then afterwards you spend years findin’ out how you passed it. It’s a bit like life in that respect" PTerry
Granny Weatherwax is the chuffing best. Gotta love her. And Nanny Ogg.
Random Discworld references make my life lighter. Thank you.
@@chuckdyte556 I feel like I should probably read this series. I keep hearing references, but I've never actually come across the books.
@@sierrasouthwell9237 you should, it's a really great series. Sir Terry Prachett was a really creative writer, the depth of the world he created is just ridiculously detailed and impressive.
@@sierrasouthwell9237 You absolutely should. Individually they are a great read, lighthearted and entertaining and often thought-provoking; in the gestalt they are life-changing and incredible.
Every time I watch this video I cry. There is an ache so deep within me. I think of all the things women have lost through the ages, all the ways we have been punished for taking up any space at all. I’m so grateful it’s becoming safer to be a woman, safer to be as big as we want, and to love how we want.
Appa Ness Im a white dude. Hearing the atrocities my race and gender have committed makes me sad and angry. I wish I could get a time machine and save those lives, free the slaves, and stop the witch hunts. The best I can do now is ensure everyone I know, knows of these crimes against humanity and hold people accountable for their words and actions.
until the marxists and anarchists take over any way. jesus however has a better way.
@@Eagle-pg7bx Good boy. Good SIMP.
me too, sister, me too. It hurts.
@@Eagle-pg7bx It's far better to just do what you can to make the world less shit in present time. Little things like knowing why your lady friend might not want to take the bus home alone, or which spaces your gay and trans friend would feel most comfortable in. Learn how to take the white and cis people jokes, know that it's people punching up. And most of all apologising for when you fuck up and try not to do it again. I'm a cis white lady and I've done racist and probably transphobic things without meaning to or being conscious of it, I just hope I've learned better.
I'm only getting into philosophy tube, but she's so cool
Absolute premium content
I love her sm
Same! I'm digging it
same trying to watch te whole canon
Same
When certain conservative politicians & pundits go on TV & scream about the "witch hunt" being perpetrated against them, the irony makes my head want to explode 😱
yensid Kind of like when white people complain about being discriminated against. They deserve it, because their ancestors did the same thing, right?
@@jbsweeney1077 I dont watch Fox news so I wouldn't know 🤔
JB Sweeney that’s not what the left is saying though. There’s some nut cases in the left as there are with the conservatives. Not the majority. From what I’ve seen most left and right are sensible people.
@@jbsweeney1077 It's not that they deserve it, it's that it's not happening. Discrimination is defined by the presence of political power.
Young people on Facebook, Tumblr and Tiwtter and academic circles collectively and freely deciding not to tolerate nonsense does not, never did and never will count as political power.
@Arraki666 What counts as political power?
"You poor take courage. You rich take care. This earth was made a common treasury for everyone to share.
All things in common. All people one. We came in peace but the orders came to cut us down." - The Song of The Diggers
Pretty sure that song is called The World Upside Down.
Yes, that is The World Turned Upside Down, which was written Leon Rosselson in 1975, and so does not reflect the true sentiment of The Diggers, but does handily summarise their ideology. The true Diggers Song, published in 1714, goes:
You noble Diggers all, stand up now, stand up now,
You noble Diggers all, stand up now,
The waste land to maintain, seeing Cavaliers by name
Your digging do disdain and your persons all defame
Stand up now, Diggers all.
Your houses they pull down, stand up now, stand up now,
Your houses they pull down, stand up now.
Your houses they pull down to fright poor men in town,
But the gentry must come down and the poor shall wear the crown.
Stand up now, Diggers all.
With spades and hoes and ploughs, stand up now, stand up now,
With spades and hoes and ploughs, stand up now.
Your freedom to uphold, seeing Cavaliers are bold
To kill you if they could and rights from you withhold.
Stand up now, Diggers all.
Their self-will is their law, stand up now, stand up now,
Their self-will is their law, stand up now.
Since tyranny came in they count it now no sin
To make a gaol a gin and to serve poor men therein.
Stand up now, Diggers all.
The gentry are all round, stand up now, stand up now,
The gentry are all round, stand up now.
The gentry are all round, on each side they are found,
Their wisdom's so profound to cheat us of the ground.
Stand up now, Diggers all.
The lawyers they conjoin, stand up now, stand up now,
The lawyers they conjoin, stand up now,
To arrest you they advise, such fury they devise,
But the devil in them lies, and hath blinded both their eyes.
Stand up now, Diggers all.
The clergy they come in, stand up now, stand up now,
The clergy they come in, stand up now.
The clergy they come in and say it is a sin
That we should now begin our freedom for to win.
Stand up now, Diggers all.
'Gainst lawyers and 'gainst priests, stand up now, stand up now,
'Gainst lawyers and 'gainst Priests, stand up now.
For tyrants are they both even flat against their oath,
To grant us they are loath free meat and drink and cloth.
Stand up now, Diggers all.
The club is all their law, stand up now, stand up now,
The club is all their law, stand up now.
The club is all their law to keep poor folk in awe,
But they no vision saw to maintain such a law.
Glory now, Diggers all.
I believe i first heard the Billy Bragg cover, then the Mischief Brew cover which is probably my favorite, also Chumbawumba did a cover but they cut out the ending which is interesting.
Day 117: still wondering how many takes it took to get a continuous 2 minute and 30 second shot where you remove two layers of clothing, smear yourself in fake blood and grab a prop without even looking at it, all the while maintaining an unphased speaking cadence and maintaining eye contact with the camera.
well if he only took 2 takes to get down the video that happened all in one take then im sure he mastered that comparatively little shot in no time
Acting
A woman coating herself in fake blood and holding a massive sword is now my sexuality.
Sanguinasgladiafemina sexuality
@@lordprotektorwurstgesicht6526 yes.
It is VERY gender.
How naive of you to assume it's fake
@@aronsztojka6034 has the same energy as a social media post I saw awhile ago, saying something to the effect of “my mom once told me that a girl becomes a woman when she’s gotten blood on every pair of pants she owns. I asked her ‘what about women who don’t have periods?’ and she responds ‘it doesn’t have to be YOUR blood’”
Olly, Olly, you can't just strip naked and expect me to keep paying attention to what you're saying.
You either, huh?
Same
you can't expect me not to take a screenshot, make a very tangential meme about my life, and post it on r/traaa
Saame
He does that sort of thing a lot. Just adjust.
This might be your best video yet. The production was great, your acting was excellent, and the topic was fascinating and something I would never have thought to research. This channel has come a long way since 5 years ago!
"research" blahahah
this is fantasy
@@MattieK09 I mean despite the fact that you're an obvious troll, and that this is history not fantasy, you can still research fantasy my man.
you can make up your fantasy, but you can't make up your own history my man
Matt K nobody has access to objective history - it is all made up to varying extents.
@@MattieK09 I mean most history is skewed and altered by the person recording or retelling it, so we basically can never have objectivity. Also I don't know what you're trying to prove here.
Spooky Scary Socialists.
OooOoooOooo publicaly supported healthcare
Send shivers down your socioeconomic philosophical spine
@@TwentySeventhLetter Speaking poors will shock your soul, seal your doom tonight
@@suicidalmemester23
We're so sorry, Socialists
You're so misunderstood
You only want to unionize
(But we don't think you should!)
*cue funky music*
I believe this is Ollie's best video to date, it ties together so much of contemporary political analysis. Capitalism, Race, Gender, the aesthetic of intellectualism, culture wars, and all kinds of political and philosophical battlegrounds on UA-cam. It suddenly becomes clear why atheists like Carl Benjamin and religious pedants like Jordan Peterson can so easily align with the alt-right: on the surface they should disagree on a lot of issues, but they share their commitment to a specific division of power that is now under threat.
animals
The topics are tied together to make the naive believe they form a relationship. It's called manipulation. Jim Jones did the same. This "philosopher" has serious issues.
@Aditya Chavarkar The point is that calling out bad in the world, especially what is long gone, meaning does not exist in today's world and trying to imply it exists today, and insinuating that all bad is somehow linked together in one group is an old Hitler and Goebles trick, which they used to project a big wad of bad onto Jews. This pseudo philosopher is using the same type of manipulative false linkages. Why? To manipulate you to hate. Is it working? He also wants you to be so drawn in emotionally that your rational mind stops analyzing independently. He also implies that if you just follow him, you are instantly ethical. It's all manipulative seduction.
@@kellyw8017 "and trying to imply it exists today"
Well isn't that a convenient explanation...? "It was a few decades or centuries ago, how could we have kept anything from this era in our modern culture??" Do you really not see the problem with this naive kind of thinking? Rational thinking will look for such ties, not dismiss them because they're inconvenient...
"insinuating that all bad is somehow linked together in one group is an old Hitler and Goebles trick"
This is specifically what marxism tries to avoid, you are obviously talking about something you don't understand. "Good" and "bad" are not really the question, marxism tries to focus on more material and down to earth things like wealth and its accumulation. It analyses confrontations and power struggles and structures, which are ALWAYS present in any society, I don't see what's wrong with that. What I see on the other side is a lot of people not wanting to take responsibility for their actions.
" This pseudo philosopher is using the same type of manipulative false linkages"
He is backed up by a lot of philosophers, historians, economists, sociologists... The links have been investigated and discussed by many people, it's out there for you to read. And it is not based on fantasies like the "Sion protocols", it's all based on very observable things.
"Why? To manipulate you to hate. Is it working?"
Not really... But I see much irrational hate thrown at people analysing power structures and characterising discrimination precisely in our societies...
"He also wants you to be so drawn in emotionally that your rational mind stops analyzing independently."
Your rational mind is never 100% free of your feelings, unless you are "illuminated" in the spiritual sense, i.e. free of your ego. This is why science is based on the consensus of a community, not on the findings of one individual. Deal with it.
Now, are you implying that we should never base our political beliefs and actions on moral or emotions? That seems not only pretty cold and scary, it is also somewhat impossible: political stances can be taken only once you have defined your basic political values and they will never be "rational" 100%.
What I see, is sometimes people not wanting to face the historical facts mentioned in this video simply because they would be overwhelming or shed a disturbing light on today's society...
"He also implies that if you just follow him, you are instantly ethical."
At no point have I heard him saying or implying that. I think you just feel bad about yourself, probably... Fix your problems pal, we're not your parents or your psychiatrists...
Magical thinking continues in the phantasmagorical world of capital - the life of commodities, the theology of the market, hey, the total camera obscura 'upsidedownness' of all our relationships.
"Witchcraft, Gender, and Marxism"
Okay, so _Revolutionary Girl Utena_ then.
Utena was communist and everyone should know it
I saw most of that show like... 20 years ago, and didn't see any Marxist/communist bent to it. Explain?
@@Pfhorrest it literally uses Marxist jargon in its framing and aesthetics. I have not seen all of it yet, but the narrative structure does suggest at least parallels to Marxist theory and requires at least a superficial understanding of those theories to build it in such a way. Considering the historical context of the show and the inherent quiet revolutionary praxis found within shoujo and yosei works at the time, it would have to be an almost gigantic coincidence for it to be unintentional.
That being said, it does have some unfortunately similar pitfalls as Marxism by being marxist at least in part. As Olly said, Marxists weren't 100% right all the time. Although, again, I have not yet finished the show, so I can't quite know for sure if those pitfalls aren't being addressed throughout the course of its run.
I mean I saw the gender stuff, and maybe some Marxism, but where was the witchcraft.
@@PBDNR have... have you watched it?
The right has AM radio. The Left has performance art and mood lighting. I need more.
VoyagerOne the right has memes
@
Apart from 4chan (which even then hasn't been funny in the last 4 years), not really.
@PolySaken
>Using Tumblr or Reddit
@PolySaken
4chan.
PolySaken pffft 4chan has been reduced to nothing but edgy 14 - 18 year old kids LARPing and pretending that they’re still a part of this secret underground club of freaks and some shit, and acting like they control everything. it’s not been that way for over 6 years lmao. move on.
"But Archchancellor, we're meddling with things we don't understand!"
"Of COURSE we're meddling with things we don't understand! We're wizards! If we waited 'round 'til things were understood, nothing would ever get done!"
--Terry Pratchett, "Interesting Times"
I remember this feeling, when I realized that so many of the other “rational” atheists had developed a particular ideology, one which I found to be absurdly irrational and not unlike the religions that these atheists had turned their backs on. Really sad that so many replace religion with nationalism or fascism, as though people have some deep yearning to be told how things are and/or should be, they wanted definite, objective answers in a subjective world, they needed a black and white perspective that I genuinely thought was antithetical to atheism. I guess at the end of the day people just want answers, and cannot cope with a world without them. Not very rational to demand answers where none exist, but that’s humanity for ya, an ape can only be so rational, despite how much it tries to convince itself it’s some kind of enlightened being.
That's because the vast majority of atheists have not thought through their belief system (or lack thereof) as much as they think they have. Many people come to it as a knee jerk reaction to religion, but unfortunately lack the context to understand that they've brought the problem aspects of religion in with them: dogmatic belief in feelings, a strong sense of superiority - I could keep going, but I won't. Certainly it's a belief that one could balance appropriately with the world around them, but if you learned the habits of organized religion they're hard to unlearn, and the tools of the enemy are just so tempting to use.
It still baffles me that so many atheists became anti-feminists
The world is not subjective. There are answers, and we already know them. All that exists is the material, and we're animals, formed through the process of evolution. The answer isn't magical thinking, it's not the rejection of truth itself just because there are some things that we don't yet know. Post-modernism is reactionary, and it's antithetical to the materialist analysis that forms the basis for Marxism.
tag yourself as a crime mentioned in this video!! i'm "being loud and a woman."
I'm 'Vagabondage' 😃 Nice to meet you!
" Being poor and in public "
im homosexuality
"Cursing", a pleasure to meet you
natalie bee me too
*Squidward voice* oh no she's hot
Literally every second thought when I watch Oliver.
lol! Same.
he would actually be perfect if he had a six pack
he would be like a leftist golden one only with 8x the IQ
horny
@@shady8045 I don't think he needs a six pack to look great
Ben Shapiro calls, he answers. Jordan Peterson calls, he answers. Sargon of Akkad calls, he wouldn't even answer.
See, it would be the reverse for me. I think I could at least entertainingly troll Sargon.
At least a phone call with Sargon would be short, he's be done after 5 minutes
@@skywise8 But..... that's like 9 sargons long.
@@Odinsday ah yes, 1 sargon is 9 sargons
The idea that ancient cultures viewed magic as a way to get something out of nothing is I think largely untrue. While magic is allmost always supernatural it usually has an associated cost that must be sacrificed in order to get the results wanted. Ancient Roman's sacrificed large amounts of food and valuables to the gods and spirits, mediveal peasants in Ireland and Britain left food out for the tultiary spirit in exchange for good favour in agriculture etc.
And America sacrifice breathing living human women.
This whole video is leftist B S
@@sista363 I don't think the individual liberties of relatively privileged, mostly white, first-world women ties into any broader whole from a Marxist perspective, and hyperbolizing the issue beyond recognition is an insult to the day in, day out, material suffering of the global proletariat as a whole, especially in the third world, and this includes women just as much as it does men. Oligarchic/hierarchical power structures in our world revolve around class and access to real, material privilege, not socially constructed identities, and the only way we can build a truly equitable, free society is by attacking the root cause, not its cultural symptoms, and reducing such issues to blind hate takes the blame off of the bourgeois indoctrinators and places it on the indoctrinated, and therefore conservative proletariat.
@@shutdownexecute3936 what is the "root cause" then? Is it even found?
@@sista363 I already mentioned it, and it's class. The capitalist class owns the only viable means of influencing public opinion and culture, they own our workplaces, they exploit our labor, they own our governments and undermine any notion of genuine democracy in the capitalist west. If you're not familiar with this topic, try to read some Marxist theory, I could give you some suggestions even. I don't want to minimize the blatant immorality of denying women abortions for pregnancies that haven't even resulted in a conscious being yet, but the power dynamics of American society cannot be reduced to men against women, white people against black people, straight people against LGBTQ+ people, because the indoctrinated never chose to be so, and it's the capitalist indoctrinators who profit from widespread ignorance who should be held fully accountable.
Ollie taking lighting tips from ContraPoints
I feel like this video somewhat ignores the history of AntiSemitism in the witch trials across Europe. As well as the depiction of witches and what they do/ have done in European folklore are often rooted and filled with antisemitism. I feel like it needs to be recognized that there was a significant anti-semitic presence in how witches were thought of and how witch trials were carried out. I don't mean any drama or disrespect. I just feel its important to establish.
True. Maybe he'll tackle the very long, complex, and highly resilient history of antisemitism and how it infects not just the modern right, but sadly many leftists.
I know I hear a lot of antisemitism from my own Hispanic family and community and from many black neighbors, due to how complicit and successfully so many Jewish people are in capitalism, due to ignorance about how the Catholic Church basically funneled and forced Jewish people into usury and banking in order to survive a highly dangerous antisemitic
anactualjoke Is there anything in Europe that hasn't been tinged with anti-semetism?
That's interesting. I didn't know about this. I'm American, so I associate witch hunts with Puritans killing other at least nominally Puritans.
The persecution of Jews was an earlier phenomenon. Jews had been expelled from a lot of Europe, especially England and France by the time the witch trial started. That was done by the earlier medieval inquisitions, not the witch trials which were separate from the inquisition. They were similar, but not the same.
Actually witch trials were more like a renaissance thing while yes pogrons for the middle ages
Anecdote about this video:
I noticed how your eyeshadow only became visible in the firelight, in the last bit of the video with the blue light.
SECONDS LATER you said "we still have to decide *through whose eyes* we see the natural
I'm not sure if it was an intentional touch but gosh darn it was an effective one.
While an interesting thing to notice, I'm afraid his eye shadow is visible throughout the cabin scenes, from start to finish.
I love perceptivity and symbolism analysed like this
"At the risk of attracting the wrong kind of internet audience"
Maybe we SHOULD be attracting them? I mean, I was part of the wrong kind of internet audience and I only got de-radicalized thanks to your and the rest of Breadtube's videos.
He means getting them as part of his community, rather than just attracting.
^^^^look! It's one of them. Let's observe it as it tries to communicate
@@elenapopovic2527 I mean, there was that Contra video on cancelling
@@justmart4455 Unfortunately she has a lot of bad takes on it. Only my opinion on cancel culture is correct. Language and social norms change over time. It's never ok to tell society that enough progress has been made and we should draw a line in the sand of time. Anyone who tries to fight back against progress should be criticized using free speech and if the end result is that some fascists get their feelings hurt so be it.
If you're going to be a chud you deserve to be cancelled. This is how history has unfolded to date and trying to stop it is not natural therefore wrong. Not getting cancelled is actually a pretty easy thing to do. Of course this works better under socialism because cancelling is only possible under capitalism.
@@thisisisabella3634 "not natural therefore wrong" um no. thats just not an argument for literally anything.
13:48 the whole part when he started stripping and slathering blood all over himself distracted me so much that i forgot to listen to what he was even saying
He was talking during that part?! O.o
Same, I had to replay it like 4 times and literally fkn close my eyes to listen
At the same time though, it was a super powerful image. Like, he literally became a visual of what we typically think of as a barbarian, in order to prove that point, and I really like that
Yep
i know right? she's so fucking hot sometimes
Not gonna lie, I was half-expecting a disgruntled call from Rowling after the Harry Potter bit. Great video, as always!
Too rich to be bothered by the likes of us.
"Actually, [some new meaningless retcon]."
Same, tbh :'D
Or when he called out terfs 🤔
@@rileyjones9413 I mean... calling out terfs is a pretty accepted lefty thing to do though. The whole gag was that people he'd otherwise tend to disagree with on most things were calling him to talk to him about saying something that they agreed with, right?
This aligns so interestingly to an article I read recently, called "Fertility Control and the Birth of the Modern Fairy-Tale Heroine", by Ruth B. Bottingheimer. Bottingheimer says that between the 1400s and the 1700s, female heroines of Western literature suffered a shift, from agents who circumvent a male-dominated world in order to get what they want, including sex (think of the women in the Canterbury Tales) into passive, fainting victims always at risk of being impregnated or having their bodies acted upon by men (think of Sleeping Beauty, or her ancestor Talia from the Pentamerone, who is not woken by a gentle kiss, but by one of the two babies she conceives by her "prince" while still magically asleep). The origin of that shift, Bottingheimer argues, is the restricting of women's access to fertility control and abortion, and to gainful employment that would make single motherhood something other than a death sentence. Which is the process you describe! Thanks for this fascinating video :)
"i dont believe in astrology" thats so taurus sun, moon and mercury in 2nd of you to say :D
is he a taurus? :o omg me too
He is not though. He is a taurus sun, gemini moon and aries mercury..
Oh of course he’s a Taurus 🤤🤤🤤
Why is it bad to be a taurus?
wtf I'm a taurus this is so accurate
damn you win
Anyone who says Marx was 100% right about everything probably doesn't understand Marxism. It's impossible to be right about everything, but understanding history and our present with a materialist and dialectical analysis is critical to getting things right in the first place. Fight dogmatism, as Marx would have wanted.
Even Marx said he wasn't a Marxist.
@@GamerParent he only said that in reference to French "cothinkers" who were guilty of a kind of economic reductionism that he himself found a misunderstanding of his own views, hence "if this is Marxism..." quote.
On one hand, Marx was a critic philosopher and scientist, he was pretty much fighting current dogma. On the other, he made the manifesto, which is a translation, reduction and extrapolation of his ideas into dogmatic form.
And the divide between him and Bakunin was a pretty dogmatic one, don't you think?
A dogmatic marxist doesn't think he's dogmatic, because he's "free of ideology". So yeah, I don't think Marx would have much problem with dogmatic marxists.
@@frechjo the actual word you're looking for is "principles", not dogma. the divide between Bakunin and Marx was between two sets of political _principles_ , not a petty grudge match between pedantic schoolmasters, which is what "dogma"/"dogmatism" implies. if the economic and material ground for social reality produces class conflict, then fighting on the basis of a principled political program is the best way to articulate the interests of a social class, namely, the working class. the most explicitly self-aware forms of such political activity become a historical possibility only with the advent of modern industry.
@@janosmarothy5409
Maybe my comment reads aggressive and anti-marxist. That's not my intention.
I just don't see fighting any and all dogmatism as a core value of marxism. Maybe I've spent too much time with the wrong marxists, what can I say.
Thank you for acknowledging that the Middle Ages were not necessarily the "Dark Ages" - at least, not for some groups! I'm majoring in medieval history, and my focus is on women in medieval society and medieval "feminism," and it is so interesting and I wish that more people would talk about the "Enlightenment" rollbacks on women's rights that were introduced during the Middle Ages. Like, Hildegard of Bingen was an INCREDIBLE woman! So was Melisende of Jerusalem, and Matilda of Tuscany, and Occitania gave more opportunities for women than many modern day societies (until crusading Christians (some who were motivated by political and economic motives to dominate southern France) destroyed Occitania and instituted patriarchal law after the Albigensian Crusade).
I hate the historical narrative that women's rights have been slowly increasing since time immemorial. It's blatantly untrue. Even if you're just looking at Western society, women took such a hard hit during the later Middle Ages and the Enlightenment/Industrial era, and a large part of that was due to capitalism (as you rightly explained). I wish that more Marxist and liberal activists talked about this!
lovelyyecats great area of study 👍
lovelyyecats ohhhh this is interesting. I majored in modern history, generally Second World War and the Cold War, but also women’s history. It was really interesting. I wanna hear more of what you got on your part of history :D
The enlightenment can enter into important contradictions with capitalism. For example enlightenment thought can advocate some level of planning of the economy as did early socialist thinkers like Saint Simon and Fourier just as later tecnocratic thought from rationalist points of view, while pro capitalist classical liberal and neoliberal ideologies promote the idea of a magical hidden hand which balances things through the market. As such a rationalist enlightenment person can argue that unregulated capitalism is irrationalism that can lead to barbarism, chaos and destruction. In fact that position was hegemonic during the mid 20th century (keynesianism, tecnocratic regulated capitalism and leninist states) until the 1980s when the neoliberal revolution of Thatcher and Reagan turner neoliberal capitalist thought hegemonic
Oh, this is so interesting! Could you recommend some books or articles related?
Maybe look into torrenting the game crusader kings 2 with all dlc if you fancy playing a female ruler in the middle ages, then reforming a pagan religion and including enatic clan doctrine so only woman could rule, while being surrounded by 'regular' middle age kingdoms, quite fun actually. Random ik..
Holy walrus. I made the link between the witch hunts forcing women into reproductive roles, but never with capitalism. 😱 Mind blown. Well done sir. 👌
Widows who inherited their husbands' property were frequent targets as well. Accuse an ailing farmer's wife who is a drain on the community of witchcraft, and you get her family's property, which was often farmland. So yeah. It was a very convenient way to be rid of elders instead of caring for them.
"People rejected the supernatural, sure. But prior to that, they accepted a certain view of the natural. And that has consequences."
Ok, so first- I really liked this video a lot, and feel you did a good job of a delicate dance (I am no longer a Wiccan, so its not for me to give out any seals of approval- but still my opinion).
The one little nuance (alluded to here but not developed) that might well have been sacrificed for time is the point that- ofc, while the witch-hunts attacked those who practiced forms of magic, they certainly didn't do so from a place of scientific rigor. They often traded one set of superstitions for another, and in many ways set back science and medicine in particular. The trial of Jacqueline Felice is often brought up here- she was found guilty of unlicensed medical practice (being that she could not have been licensed as a woman barred from university), but it was made clear at her trial that she was known to have better outcomes than the licensed physicians- and wouldn't charge you unless she actually healed you. In fact, any look at the medical practices of the 'learned' men were far behind what they should have been- specifically because they didn't want to listen to icky women, folk traditions, or because their particular religious ideas caused certain attitudes or practices.
It definitely set back women's health and our understanding of sex.
I have also seen it argued that a great deal of knowledge of astronomy and biology was lost.
So yeah, eventually we did develop the scientific method, but it was a dance of one step forward two steps back. For all we know, it might have been significantly faster if we hadn't made with the burning and such.
But hey- great vid, just wanted to toss this in here!
I think Olly meant that certain historians today look back at the witch hunts and claim that they de-superstitioned the world to make place for super science. Not that it actually happened. Just like some people are trying to spin the crusades as a desperate defense of the west against Islam.
So, I think it's important to note here that the prosecution of practitioners of empiric medicine, such as Felicie, in the High and Late Middle Ages was a very separate process from the witch trials in early modern Europe that occurred hundreds of years later.
Medieval folk medicine was not as gendered as it is commonly believed to be, and men and women alike were prosecuted for "unlicensed practice". This is not to say that there was no gendered (or racialised) element to the prosecution of empirics during this period, since as you say women were not afforded access to academic medical education, and there were specific laws put in place that prohibited Jews from practicing medicine. However, the focus of these trials was less about oppressing specifically gendered ways of knowing, and more about protecting the monopoly of professional practitioners of medicine by reframing lay medicine as inherently dangerous. And this is significant, because this is a framing that has been continually been reinforced over the course of centuries, to the point that the inherent danger of engaging in self-medicine is rarely even questioned today, and that patients are largely viewed as passive objects lacking in agency - even by scholars of medical sociology and philosophy.
The practice of empiric medicine was also not inherently magical, and most magicoreligious healing practices during the period were not pagan, but Christian, and carried out by members of the clergy. One of the most interesting elements of Felicie's trial, to my mind, is the fact that some of the treatments cited in the records of Felicie's trial match those found within contemporary academic texts - which suggests that although she lacked access to formal medical training, she did not lack access to the knowledge afforded by it (which provides an intriguing parallel to contemporary practices of self-medicine by some chronic patients, for instance).
In terms of the erasure of medical knowledge of women's health in the Middle Ages being erased, there was actually a very famous and comprehensive group of texts known as the Trotula which formed the basis for much of women's medicine through the Middle Ages and early modernity. Notably, in the Late Middle Ages, the texts were altered and their authorship attributed to an historical male scholar - so there was certainly an erasure, but not so much of the knowledge itself. None of this negates the gendered history of medical oppression, but I think it's vital to be aware of the complexity of this history, and the ways in which really distinct events and phenomena have been conflated by some modern polemical discourse, to the detriment of our understanding their impact on contemporary social practices and ways of knowing.
References:
Armstrong, David. The Political Anatomy of the Body: Medical Knowledge in the Twentieth Century. Cambridge University Press, 1983.
Green, Monica H. "Women's Medical Practice and Health Care in Medieval Europe." Signs, 14(2), 1989, 434-473.
Green, Monica H. "Getting to the Source: The Case of Jacoba Felicie and the Impact of the Portable Medieval Reader on the Canon of Medieval Women’s History." Medieval Feminist Forum, 42, 2006, 49-62.
Park, Katharine. "Medicine and society in medieval Europe, 500-1500." Medicine in Society, edited by Andrew Wear, Cambridge University Press, 1992, 59-90.
This is a really good bit of nuance. In emphasizing the onset of science and modernity, there's a risk for falling for the branding of people who do the burning, not unlike assuming that lousy internet "rationalists" are actually being rational.
I was really hoping to hear your position on this, because you helped me understand a lot about the witch trials that I hadn't heard before. Thanks for this comment.
There was an anatomical womb sculpture dug up in an archaeological site in Italy. There was also a cult of writing, as they called it, filled with goddess names. The problem with women's science of medicine is that it's still a problem being fought for basic birth control options and proper care. That and even this lovely performer calls it pre-science. Still happy with the video though
Oliver, people like you, Contrapoints and H. Bomberguy give me faith for humanity's future...
Big hugs! Thanks for making these videos.
You should check out Non-Compete!
Check out Shaun as well!
@@Haiylin I always have to put Shaun on 1.5x- 2.0x speed.
@@sierrasouthwell9237 I put Shaun on 0.5x speed because his beautiful goddess voice caresses my ears
@@sierrasouthwell9237 I watched "The Bell Curve" in 1x speed. The entirety of it.
Worship me.
(I wrote up a whole thing but I think my comment was eaten somehow)
video suggestion: the cagots, a european "untouchable" class. they were forced to live in ghettos, forbidden from practicing all but a handful of professions, and had to enter churches through separate doors. at the onset of the french revolution, the oppressive laws against them were struck down, and they eventually assimilated into the rest of society. the thing is, no one really knows why they were oppressed in the first place. what was the original reason for their oppression? what made a cagot a cagot? there are theories, but it's still a mystery.
such a video could be used to explore "untouchable" classes in general, why they exist, and what purpose they serve in societies that have them.
love the channel, keep up the good work.
My favorite theory is that the Cagots were the first initial Christian converts within their regions and thus an oppressed minority by their pagan peers. By the time Christianity became the imperial state religion, their older form of Christianity was outmoded and considered heretical as compared to those of the newly Rome-sanctioned converts that followed strict theology and traditions as defined by Constantine and the various creeds and councils.
The Cathars are a very similar situation of heretical Christians holding beliefs dangerous to temporal authority as they emphasized humility and simple living while distrusting earthly powers and principalities.
I have never heard of the cagots before but they remind me of the Japanese burakumin.
I recommend the Japan's Untouchables video on the Rare Earth channel if you haven't heard of them.
cagots are often linked to other, similar groups across Western Europe (and there were many !) who had to follow stricter rules than the average citizen for no good reason ; usually what comes up is that back when most of those groups appeared in text, extreme looking skin conditions were all put in the "it's leprosy don't let them drink our water or touch us" bag. most of those groups have names whose etymology hint back to leprosy, too (including cagots).
but yeah, maybe that's just the excuse they used to make them less-than ; saying people you don't like have leprosy is a classic Ancien Régime move, i wouldn't be surprised that the real, initial reason for this category is lost to us forever.
on a side note cagots still had it better than Jews, for example, and they were far from being "untouchable" (in France at least, don't know about Spain) the same way Dalit are/were.
@@chrisisteas I was thinking the same, thanks for the recommendation!
@@klassickasey i dont know about thr cagots, but the cathars, while interesting in a certain number of ways, seemed to me when i had a little read on them a good while ago to be largely rooted in deep, deep antisemitism
This was the first Philosophytube vídeo, and for that matter the first Leftube vídeo, i watched and i was so blown away by the quality of It. This vídeo is a master piece.
The irony of getting an ad from a local political party about “gender ideology” being a “culture of death” before this video🤦♀️
@bonesgrey
“Gender ideology” is, at its core, alchemy.
The blending of opposites to create a synthesis.
Wouldst thou like to live deliciously?
oh my god
I'd actually argue that transmisogyny (and probably transphobia in general, though I have less personal experience with the latter) is an attempt, on some level, to reinforce the system that ties women to unpaid reproductive labor. Much of the internal logic of the transmisogyny of cis men is based on the assumption that no one would ever WANT to be a woman, without some biologically essential quality forcing them to be one. If someone who could be a man chose to be a woman instead, then there must be some qualities of womanhood that are inherently desirable and good, and not strictly inferior to the qualities of manhood. And that cannot stand, or it will bring down their entire worldview with it.
This is something I've thought about as well. It's why it's more acceptable for girls to be tomboys than for boys to be tomgirls.
“It is an attempt... to reinforce the system that ties women to unpaid reproductive labor”
I really like your train of thought here. Under this dynamic, those who refuse to let their gender be defined by their reproductive potential (intersex, trans, and non-binary folx) are a direct refutation of this system. It would seem to me that they would be natural allies to ciswomen in their fight to also not be defined and thus confined by their reproductive potential.
Why FARTs insist on upholding this dynamic is beyond me.
Yes, you've just put into words what I've been trying to express for a while as a rebuttal to the harmful and destructive TERF narrative. However, it does work both ways (because TERFs are man-hating feminazis). A woman being a tomboy or a butch lesbian to them is fine, because she shuns the prescribed patriarchal stereotypical norms of femininity, but if someone AFAB comes out as a trans man or trans masc identity, that's a step too far and those people are seen as brainwashed traitors to women. Of course, that's ridiculous, because trans men and trans women come out and transition for the same reason - innate biological & psychological urges, and politicising their gender is something put upon them by critics such as TERFs.
tl;dr - trans sexism happens to trans men and women, but with different mental gymnastics designed to justify the critics' position (i.e. screaming "patriarchy".)
@hijackwannabev Spot the TERF, i always win at this game, so fun.
Of course men want to be women. They have since the beginning of time lol they hate the fact that they can't reproduce their exploitative society without us. Now they are creating sexbots and attempting to do womb transplants and engineer mechanical wombs so theyll no longer have to rely on us. Everything about patriarchy is a reversal of reality. Penis envy doesn't exist. Womb envy does. Femininity is a male fantasy and if women refuse to fulfill that fantasy then men will create their own women to have total control of, in some cases becoming women themselves.
When you talk about women and magic with their knowledge on herbs and stuff, I always think of Mikos (Shinto Priestesses) in Feudal Japan. These women were respected as healers and possessed tremendous spiritual energy.
Yuri Ronoue do they not exist anymore?
@@edienandy They do; just not in the same capacity. They're either strictly private or are tourist attractions.
There's no such thing as "spiritual energy," only the belief in it. It's important for us to remember that.
@@shutdownexecute3936 I wonder if you'll have that same energy against Christianity 🤡
The Contrapoints influence is strong.
I am here for it. Her style influence is spreading and it is beautiful. I especially like the music on this video.
Same musician!
them l i g h t s
Olly also went to acting school after uni so maybe contrapoints helped him realize that he could combine both of his backgrounds in acting and philosophy
When will mummy and daddy finally kiss?
Everyone saying this like Contrapoints just have never seen red and blue lighting elsewhere
Nyx fears is infamous for it and shes a horror movie reviewer
no other political youtubers put this much class and effort into the theatrics of their videos except contrapoints and philosophytube.
The only part of this video I really have trouble with is the idea that magic is the idea of getting something for nothing. I'm not sure why it bothers me so much (I'm agnostic myself), but I really feel like there's something wrong with this line of thinking. The kind of "real life" witch magic we're talking about isn't Harry Potter-style "wave my wand and say some words and shit happens". Being a witch wasn't something you were born as or "magically" became through some kind of rite (or tryst with the devil). It was essentially a profession, and there there's a lot of real work that goes into it. Rituals often take time to prepare, require specific circumstances to be performed under, and require rare, unusual, or difficult to obtain components. Beyond that there would have been a great deal of training and education to become a "proper" witch; even just the skills to locate, identify, harvest, and prepare your ingredients would take years to learn. Witchcraft is complicated; it might not have "strict rules" as would be understood by a modern scientist, but it also wasn't just throwing random plants and animal bits together and going "Ah, yeah, bury this under a goose and your wife will get pregnant no problem." Saying that witches and magic were a way to try and get "something for nothing" or live without work paints these women as lazy and ignorant, even beyond what is typical of your average person, and that's the opposite of true.
It IS true that people seeking the aid of witches might have been looking for "easy answers" or whatever, but the same is true today. That's like saying the purpose of the sciences is to live without work and get something for nothing because people want self driving cars and robots to do their dishes.
@@GringaGringa123 Sure, but like I said the onus there is on the people seeking aid, NOT the witch herself or the craft. Using that to say "witchcraft is about getting something for nothing and living without work" is the same as saying that about science, because that's what the layman wants out of it.
I think he meant the "getting something for nothing" in reference to those who seek out witches for favours
@@horsesrock081 He specifically refers to witchcraft itself as the pursuit of getting something for nothing. And, as I said, this is the same as calling science the pursuit of something for nothing because most end users just want smartphones and vaccines.
I agree with your comment but it's a bit annoying for me that you say Harry Potter's witchcraft is just 'waving a wand and say some words and shit happens'. This is far from true. Hell, they are even on a school learning whichcraft the whole time! It takes them years to become proper witches and wizards. The magic has its own laws and you can't create just anything (it might seem from the movies because they usally don't care to explain the details behind every spell/potion/'shit happening'). Potions are made with ingredients of specific kinds, need different rituals and conditions to be effective... basically, JK Rowling mentions ALL the time, that even with magic, you can't just get things for nothing.
Probably not important but as a Potterhead, I had to rant.
Tiara Azmalan And magic always requires some sort of sacrifice in order to “work.” A price of one kind or another is built into the incantations and rituals. Always, always, always.
I'm not even wiccan, but I'm grateful, that you approached the topic of magic with respect. After all, it's about respect of the unknown. Of the earh. Of life. That speaks to me. Also hell yeah, let's abolish money, make our own clothes and booze!
"[Magic is] the promise of getting something for nothing"
First off, I want to say that I agree with the thesis of the video and I feel like most of the argument hinges on feminist theory, Marxist theory, and just historical context. But this is a pretty gross misrepresentation of "magic."
While I am not Wiccan or even full heartedly believe in magic, I have spent a lot of time researching the occult in the context of trying to figure out my own spirituality or even if I am truly spiritual. Pretty much every magical system I am aware of, at least those that predate the witch trials, tend to include work and material sacrifice to achieve the desired outcome. Magic revolves around the idea that there is some way to exchange mundane material or physical effort for supernatural substance- whether that be communion with nature or ancestor spirits, seeing things at a distance or over time, reaching into a body to cure disease, controlling or predicting weather, etc. You can see this in a lot of systems from the weeks long process of sleep deprivation and obscure materials to create the philosophers stone in alchemy, the obtaining of secret incantations and recipes for potions and salves etc that many paegan rituals require, the ingestion of ordeal substances used in a lot of shamanism (i.e. ayahuasca, datura, even arsenic in some traditions, etc), and up to and including our modern conception of magic that comes from Faust- a bargain with a malevolent entity who comes to seek repayment. And arguably if you lift the arbitrary boundaries that we as a culture put around "weird culty magic and nonsense" and accept "religion" as a type of magical system, then you get whole laundry lists of daily behaviors and rituals that one has to follow to be spiritually clean, gain eternal life, achieve enlightenment, have prayers answered, and/or whatever the "goal" of a particular religion may be.
The type of "work" required for magic is definitely a lot different than the kinds of exchanges of labor and material that we experience in mundane life or under capitalism, so maybe that's more what the quote intended, but practitioners of magic obviously had some sense that it seemed like not everyone could just will supernatural powers into existence- otherwise they would just be, well, natural powers. Like there was obviously some limiting valve on the potential for magic which either had something to do with altering the person or altering the material world which is where the evolution into protoscientific discoveries happened. Eventually people were discovering some concrete recipes and processes that had reproducible results, and thus those are the discoveries we are left with while the more spiritual or abstract practices are lost to time or left with a thousand versions written in flowery, obscure metaphors written in rotting manuscripts all over the world.
Idk this is probably a stupid angle to take because most people here... don't believe in magic at all and that wasn't even the point of the video other than being a framing device. I did like the video.
I think (and take me with a grain of salt here, as I'm only taking a stab at an intent I obviously don't fully know) that it wasn't meant to imply that magical practice required neither effort nor exertion, but rather that it stands opposite from reason or rationality. Magic, regardless of system, is the ultimate "black box" of causal relationships - an arcane formula that produces a result that one could never expect from the ingredients going into it. How does it function? We don't know, we can't really know. It's inside that interface, the unknowing, that magic can exist. It's the only place it can ever exist, really. Even the practitioner of magic with their charts of metaphysical formulae, the orders and bands of celestial beings, or their assortment of implements cannot really tell you how the magic works. They know (within the strictures of this metaphor) how to provoke what they need, that a circle of fennel seeds will repel ghosts or that iron filings and a goat's tongue can silence one's enemy, but the mechanisms are entirely hidden from all involved. In the vein of the discussion of this video, magic is a system that doesn't involve barter or wages of scale, it doesn't deal in tangible products. The practitioner of magic isn't a creature of the physical world, where science defines law or economy circumscribes class - they're a creature of the immaterial and their trade is in the ephemeral or the fantastical.
That's my $0.02, in any case.
"Magic is getting something from nothing" is directly quoting (the first half of) the main concept from 'Caliban and the Witch,' the book by
Silvia Federici that he name-dropped in the beginning. If you're going to issue with that conception of magic, then go talk to her.
And do your homework first; bring sources. She's put in a lot more work than you on this, and for a lot longer.
(The second half is that primitive capitalists worked to destroy witchcraft as a phenomenon because of needing Work, which magic is the refusal of.)
Hey thanks for the thorough comment, I came here to say this!
IMO, this is meant in terms of capitalism, in terms of exploitation. Magick requires a lot of energy, time, and even knowledge yes, but witches are helping/healing those in need for little to nothing in return. That is all that phrase is trying to state. This practice is not for profit. Go back to 6:35 and listen to the context of the quote.
Thank you. Magic is not a something for nothing phenomena.
This... is the most coherent discussion yet on why I'm drawn to magic despite being staunchly atheist and loving science. I think magic is an important part of society in that it's an admission that we will never know everything about the world. It's an acknowledgement that it's okay to not know, that mystery is the driving force of our progression. It's rebellion, it's connection to nature and our place in it. Cursing is an expression of rage and hurt where justice fails us. Blessing and wards are an attempt to control what we cannot, to hopefully tip the scales just a little in our favour. It's also for everyone. You can't possibly say that magic is for white people only (and believe me neo nazis try) because magic belongs to every culture and country on earth. It's good and bad and philosophical and atheist and religious.
'Don't @ me astrology twitter, this is the pettiest hill I will die on.' PFFFT. I mean I'll die on that hill with you.
Magic doesn't exist . It has no power and pretending it does further erodes the public understanding of science and reason
Sure. But you're forgetting how flexible human thinking is. I am perfectly capable of dodging pseudo-science and avoiding scams, I don't buy crystals and '''natural healing'' for that reason. It's why I don't believe in Astrology. At the same time I can forget all that for a few hours and just have fun. It's the same feeling you get when you sit up to watch a thunderstorm, seeing the lightning streak across the sky and smelling the ozone in the air and you understand in that moment, why people believe in gods.
I can appreciate the beauty of fibonacci spirals in the seed head of a flower and feel a shiver down my spine on a misty morning.
It's also a valuable form of therapy. When I'm anxious about things I'm unable to change, science fails me. Because anxiety and fear are not rational beasts. So a bit of hocus pocus focuses my mind and satisfies my urge to do something.
There is a whole branch of magic called 'chaos magic' where practitioners only believe in gods in the moment they need something, the moment they're doing a spell. To me this is trying to have your cake and eat it too, but clearly it works for some folks.
And discussing this with my friends brought up new avenues of discussion and re-ignited long dead philosophical discussion because there's only so many times you can say 'gods not real.' A more interesting question might be 'does our intent and our belief, create gods?' 'Can magic be explained as a product of human experience that science can't yet understand?'
I have days when I'm totally convinced there's nothing out there. But I also have days when I'm superstitious, where my rational mind flees in the face of something truly frightening and I need to fall back on something older to keep my wits about me.
It also represents a connection to culture that I otherwise lack. I’m a white Australian and we have no folklore, no mythologies that are our own. My mum told me stories from her childhood in England, about faerie rings and frightening evil spirits away by ringing in the new year. But she’s atheist and scoffs at magic.
Yet she told me those stories and I wanted to know more. I grew up on stories which drew heavily on King Arthur and pagan folklore. Of course it’s gonna be a large part of my identity even if I did stick with the rational.
Magic is bullshit, except in the ways it isn’t. It’s more than just spells and funny rocks. It's a coping mechanism and a cultural connection you might otherwise lack. If you're a folklore nerd like me, it's really fascinating.
@@KaiseaWings I love your viewpoint!
Yea, me too. As a pretty secular science loving guy, the embrace of mystery that magic represents still feels important
Ha! I'm also an atheist witch, and yet somehow also believes in the utility of magic and of divinity as a way of describing the feeling of awe and inscrutability of the universe as a whole.
I'm also super into witchcraft as a form of rebellion, something I have recently taken to the next level by going largely off-grid and opting out of most consumerist trappings while reconnecting to the land, growing food, and living according to the rythms of the sun and seasons.
Anyway, you might wanna take a look at Atheopaganism, an interesting movement I just stumbled upon.
I remember being a hardline New Atheist. I was subbed to Amazing Atheist at the time. Then he said some rudeass shit about feminism and I was like "...what? I thought we were here to dunk on the religious right!" As it turns out, I just wanted to dunk on the Right as a whole.
Bro I was the same as well, but my experience was more like Olly's. When I heard them justifying the Iraq war because "Muslims dead=good", they lost me. That war caused so much death and destruction for American troops and Iraqi civilians, and anyone who thinks it was "good" has completely lost their mind.
So because you rightly disliked "new Atheist" bs you've abandoned all reason?
@@trampy6936 reason
Right wing
Can't choose both
Same here. I found atheism to be a dead end.
this is even more relevant when you think about how the pandemic has impacted women - they've been such a large portion of the jobs lost and they've been expected in many cases to take on the responsibility of caring for kids stuck at home. it's clear and disturbing how quickly so much of the progress we've made falls apart and women are pushed back into a primarily reproductive role
Bro, that title. 10 years ago, I would have thought you drew it from a hat.
A black, pointy hat, maybe?
I thought he just drew it from a "Make America Great Again" hat just now
I always enjoyed Terry Pratchett's approach to witchcraft.
the idea of headology, The Maiden The Mother and The Other One. that they rarely used magic, but often relied on common sense and scientific knowledge.
"Sufficiently-advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
-Arthur C. Clarke
"Sufficiently-advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology."
-Sir Terry Pratchett
I think one of the points made is that "why" it works is a very consumist/scientificist thing to say. Sure, we now think of it in that way, but people taking part of it probably didn't care and took part of it for different reasons, and using our current framework may make us miss a broader look on what it meant.
@@ekki1993 Marxism is based on scientific and material analysis, how is science itself consumerist? Marxism isn't about abolishing work or truth, it's about making work democratic and upholding truth instead of capitalist ideology.
@@shutdownexecute3936 I'm not exactly sure what I was trying to say about the original comment nor how your point relates to mine, but I think I can explain what I meant.
I was talking about magic, not marxism. Making magic strictly about how it works is the capitalist approach. Sure, nowadays it uses the scientific method for that, but the point is that magic can only be consumed if it can be replicated. And that's not "closer to the truth" when it comes to magic, but our capitalist society made most of us think like that.
@@ekki1993 Achieving a mechanistic understanding of how things work and how we can use them to materially improve the lives of everyone and meet everyone's needs couldn't be more anti-capitalist, and just because capitalists use science to exploit labor and natural resources in the most efficient way possible doesn't mean that science and truth themselves are forever tainted by capitalism. We need to consume to survive, to live healthy, functional lives, to meet our most basic needs, and there's nothing capitalist about it.
Not to be a thirsty calligrapher, but what fonts are the title cards in?
If by title cards you meant the ones marking a new chapter in the video then I'm like 99 percent sure that's Old English MT
Don't worry, I'm pretty much a "thirsty calligrapher" like you.
@illogicalrelish no yeah it's called spamming, just ignore it ^^
Or better yet, flag it as spam
Is it McBeth that is quoted through the video.
"And for this stunningly comprehensive analysis, I was named Male Historian of the Year"
This is funny for *two* reasons now.
I wonder why she thought to mention 'Male' in her joke, if it was a reference to something about women not being represented in awards or something, but the joke has aged like fine wine.
I think it’s about how the authority of men is held to a lower standard
Given the magazine cover she showed right after, yeah
I wanted to comment on the topic... but shirtless Olly covered in blood distracted me.
How do you expect us to concentrate on what you’re saying when you’re taking your shirt off and wielding a claymore? That’s just not fair.
Also your videos are just going from strength to strength, this topic is something I’ve been mulling over a lot recently myself, the how the new atheism got co-opted by capitalists, thing. I didn’t realise I had it backwards.
Awesome work comrade.
No gonna lie. Totally had to rewind after he took off his shirt because I was too distracted to listen
Olly is very attractive, I know, I cri
* sob *
Also UA-cam "Atheist" community is a severe let down for me. Bunch of sexist bullshit with no redeemable qualities as far as the eye can see (correct me if I am wrong, please). Like!!!! What the fuck, dude!!!??? Where are my calm-headed humour-loving chill brethren who want to discuss and cry about how religion makes no sense but they may still miss the hope/assurance it provided? How atheistic existentialism can be a positive, happy thing but how it also gets so sad sometimes to think * this * is all there is? Where are my atheist pals wondering about how to reconcile the idea of their own mortality and place in the universe without religion backing them up? Where are my peeps - respectfully - discussing how bizzare religions' myth and rituals can get? How religion is culturally SO significant but no thanks, I still don't want it for myself? Those who want to appreciate religion still from afar; and those who see it as systematic opression (but don't attack identities)? Are you an atheist who manages to believe in fate or some kinda "spirituality" or in the super-natural???? Those atheists who were always that way; those from families where religion is important; even those who go back into faith. I wanna see even small stuff discussed like being an atheist who loves saying "oh my god" because you cannot let go of the habit (like me). You know! Cool shit like that. Not feminazi-snowflake-destroy-the-soy-boy or whatever new crap oh my gwaaaaaad.
Sorry for the essay, I needed to vent.
@@oof-rr5nf ill be honest i dont go on YT enough yo know about the communities, but at least IRL, most the convos u got going there i tend to hear around agnostics as opposed to atheists
@@ZillytheJellyfish That sure is interesting! I am pretty certain about being an atheist. But people who identify as "agnostic" do strike my curiosity. Personally, I don't see the difference between the two? It is like bi/pan distinction to me. Some difference, but not many. Please, correct me if I am wrong.
8:11 and then he explained why I couldn't stand Harry Potter when I was 12. My inner child was overjoyed by the validation. My adult leftie woman self was extremely pleased.
When discussing women who can't produce offspring, regardless of whether or not they have a womb, we need to keep in mind just where that would have put them on the social ladder in a society that saw women only as tools of reproduction. If a Marxist feminist wants to question how sexism applies in these cases, they need only ask themselves how "useless" women were and are treated.
For anyone interested 1:01 is from Macbeth and 24:44 is from The Tempest and is one of Prospero's most famous soliloquys. Never thought I would hear these two pieces spoken about in relation to gender, but anything is possible I guess.
"Grandpappy told my pappy, back in my day, son
A man had to answer for the wicked that he done
Take all the rope in Texas find a tall oak tree,
Round up all them bad boys hang them high in the street
For all the people to see" - This is a verse from a 2003 top of the charts country song. The whole lynching phase of US culture is not that distant, nor is it seen as a barbaric embarrassment as slavery and manifest destiny are.
I looked at the comments for the UA-cam Video for that song and it is FILLED not just with people praising lynch mobs, but actively calling for the return of lynch mobs.
Girl, remake this for a modern day audience. Roe Vs. Wade is literally a modern day witch trial. Please, Abigail, we need you!
Philosophy is built on past thoughts. And all these points still stand.
You could dress it up differently for that specific argument, but in my opinion, the warning hits even harder when it was said before the verdict.
What
me being a nonbinary, communist, witch seeing the title: *scared*
@Jessewastaken no? wha- im into mcsr im most def not a dream stan. im jus.. nb.. and an ancom... and a witch...
@Jessewastaken i uh-? wstch dream? although i assume u do too by ur name ,, v swag
hahaha... apache helicopter..
@@rajadhirajmaharaj lol, well done for outing yourself as an idiot, 🤷🏻♀️
Fucking felt that
The contrast between witchcraft on the one hand and capitalism and science gets more interesting if you tie the latter together. Olly might have implied this when he said "Some days are just bad for working, don't plant crops on those days." but I'm gonna make it explicit here:
Historian Yuval Noah Harari writes in his book "Homo Deus" (in a chapter called "The Witch Hunt" coincidentally) "Science is above all interested in power. Through research it aims to acquire the power to cure diseases, fight wars and produce food." The point he's making there is about something else but it works here, too. Modern science is the accumulation of power, capitalism is the exploitation of it. They developed at the same time, hand in hand for that reason. Capitalism requires an increase in production because otherwise investments don't pay off. The best way to achieve that is to increase the ability to bend the world to your will, which science provides. The insistence of not just the unknown but the unknowable throws doubt on science's claim that the power of humanity (or some part of it) can be increased in a meaningful way and hence that the capitalists' investment will ever pay off. Witchcraft is the refusal to work BECAUSE it is the refusal of an explanation.
damn that hit hard
yep, studying biology, and so far it is all about start-ups, patenting, selling your idea to the highest bidder, using super expensive patented cloning kits, using the "authority" a degree brings to sway rich people to pay you lots, (we can make viruses from "nothing" btw, and apparently the fbi gets all "safety-talky" on some biologists). basically i feel like scientists are treated like children, while less well intentioned people truly profit.
don't get me started though on the madness some biotech companies use to get you to buy stuff...
weirdly powerful mercutio vibes here? anyway i am pumped to hear the connective tissue between those subjects and also enjoy leftist arthaus aesthetique
Damn, watching this video in June 2020 and even though it's nearly two years old, it's relevant as hell today. Keep up the amazing work, Olly.
“Magic is the refusal of explanation” is such an amazing explanation of magic. Lovely words
One issue I got is that Sargon was almost NEVER part of the "UA-cam Atheist" thing. Like he literally just showed up when the "sjw" craze began happening.
Yeah, he was never really part of the early "golden age" of youtube atheism (back when atheism was the edgiest thing here. lol). It wasn't until other "skeptics" started "DESTROYING" Anita Sarkeesian, that Sargon kinda pushed himself into the "skeptic" market.
I think pt meant "similar to sargon" instead of literally sargon
I thought the part where Sargon calls him is because he said "marxist feminists weren't right about everything." I don't think the video was implying that Sargon was a "new atheist". I mean Shapiro and Peterson are not new atheists either, in fact the opposite.
Yee, that's a good point, and I admit my point was much more intended to be nit-picky than it was a serious criticism.
And let's not forget that he's the worst of the bunch. Armoured sceptic is way more reasonable (even though he's often wrong, he just has more nuance and takes criticism better). And don't even get me started on placing Sam Harris in the same list.
You know, I've followed you for about six months and watched your entire backlog, except this video. I am a neopagan, and I was worried magical traditions would not get a fair shake in the video. Honestly, though, this ended up being a lot more fair than I expected and was very intriguing in its commentary, especially as someone very interested in medieval and early modern European history. So, in summation, great job! I wish I had watched this sooner.
Hey! I'm starting to be intrested in wichtcraft, can you help me with the research? I tried finding good websites but everytime I feel like it's silly/trying to bait me into buying something.
Just a side note, I live in North Africa. It's impossible for me to find any guidance here.
Abir Ouertani Tumblr has a pretty cool witch community, you should look them up!!!
Watching this after Abigail came out and it's already jarring to see her dead name in the title.
Eh
Her dead /character's/ name. After all what we see isn't the person but the mask. Plenty of actors in history played either gender.
I draw deep solace from remembering that Abigail honors her prior gender experience. It's a stance that's so needed and welcomed by some of us later-in-life questioners (OK, perhaps it's only me, so I'll speak for myself), who feel like the hard rejection of decades of living, loving, learning, and accomplishment is too high a price to exact on the path to comfort and authenticity.
@@RRonco Agreed.
I was a little uneasy going into this video as a neopagan. But despite getting a few things wrong about magick and the way it's used by actual practitioners, I do appreciate the way you still approach this topic with respect. That's certainly more than I can say for the majority of other people who don't believe in magick and who try to tackle this same topic.
I: Seconding this as a fellow (neo)pagan.
What did Abby get wrong, in your opinion? I’d be curious to know!
@@jasminepandit9861 the "mix a few ingrediants to make someone fall in love with you" stuck out to me. spells are not to alter anyone's free will (i would consider that evil in my practice), and mixing a few ingrediants is a gross oversimplification.
@@mxashe I see, so there are moral bounds to using magick? Is there like a separate set of rules known to practitioners of what is OK and not OK--and if so, how is this enforced? And could you elaborate on why it's a gross oversimplification?
@@jasminepandit9861 so there are a couple things i need to explain first-
-there are soooo many different ways and customs in paganism. think christianity, how the main core belief in jesus is there but other than that they all have different ideas about a lot of things. thats how it is with paganism.
-these core ideas are usually the belief in some form of God & Goddess, represented by the Sun & Moon, and a belief in the sanctity of nature, in which we are part.
i base my practice off the an additional idea:
-if i interact with anyone else's free will, or use magick in a way that is evil or otherwise offensive to wicca, i will experience what i put out into the world come back to me threefold. for example, if i cast a love spell, it might work, but if so then it might work too well, or something other ill fate will come back to me. kind of like karma. this is enforcement enough, no "magick police" will show up at your door.
and, it could be seen as a gross oversimplification because magick is a little more than just mixing around shit in a bowl and chanting in latin.
please keep in mind that all im saying here is what i believe in and practice, other pagans might differ wildly. i would do some research if you're really interested in it, there's never been more resources out there!
edit :: somehow i didnt remember her saying that magick can make you fly or turn invisible. no, we cannot fly.
the perception that history is linear and humanity just gets less barbaric and more progressive as it goes along is bonkers and i don't fully grasp why it's pushed so much. i don't know if you're gonna read this olly but if you do i recommend you check out "joana dark", a music video by Ava Rocha about deviant women and witchcraft. it's absolutely beautiful and if you look it up i'll even translate the lyrics for you ;)
My guess is that comes from two things:
1. the 20th century (i.e. living memory) saw a massive increase in rights and equality in the English-speaking world, especially following WWII, along with the destruction of autocracy & official curtailing of aristocracy in western Europe and official colonialism around the world. The idea of a self-determining democratic political system as we know it has only been something of the default for at most a century. Especially in the US, there's been a series of massive victories for equality and civil rights since the 60s, and up until Trump's election they seemed likely to continue apace.
2. More cynically, if people are told that progress is linear and everything is just getting better, it's easier to get them to overlook attempts to undermine the real victories. For example, if you crow about the Civil rights acts in the US, you can also talk whatever shit you want about black people being "welfare queens" or "junkies", and if someone points out that those terms are racist dogwhistles everyone can just say "we passed the civil rights act, we are past racism!" Eventually people may catch on, but the idea of linear progress still creates this myth that equates laws and labels with the actual state of affairs, or otherwise makes it hard to point out when things are getting worse.
On the third hand, the notion that progress is linear breeds an expectation that things will keep getting better, and people generally don't like it when their expectations are subverted. If people believe that shit is just shit and has always been shit forever except for a brief glimmer of false hope the happened to be born into the tail end of, they're more likely to roll over and accept that life is shit. But if they think that things naturally get better the further into the future you go, they get indignant that bad shit is still around so much later, e.g. the "it's [current year]!" meme.
Yeah, I was trying to hint at that in my first point, but it really wasn't the main thrust of that point. Thanks for elaborating on that.
No, the reality is that things get better when we fight for them to get better.
meowcules sure thing!
[Verse]
look at the queens, look at the queens
the queens of sin are arriving
a lil smoke, a lil smoke
a lil smoke of sin, i'm taking a drag
are you enjoying it? are you having fun?
open your eyes because here i am the one in charge
[bridge]
i'm the one in charge, i'm the one in charge
i'm the one burning in the sinful fires
i'm the one burning, i'm the one burning
i'm the one burning in the sinful fires
- the chorus makes some wordplay with the words "quem mando" which means "in charge" and "queimando" which means "burning"
[chorus]
Joana Dark
Joana Dark
Joana Da Da Da Da Dark
Joana Dark
Joana Dark
Joana Da Da Da Da Dark
[Verse]
the whole week, the whole week
burning herbs because i am a witch
are you high? what is this?
it's just me blowing my witchcraft onto your mouth
watch the drool! you are drooling!
close your mouth because here i am the one in charge
[bridge]
i'm the one in charge, i'm the one in charge
i'm the one burning in the sinful fires
i'm the one burning, i'm the one burning
i'm the one burning in the devil's fire
[chorus]
Joana Dark
Joana Dark
Joana Da Da Da Da Dark
Joana Dark
Joana Dark
Joana Da Da Da Da Dark
In that outfit, I kept imagining that you were Lord Byron. Don't stop.
I didn't believe in magic too, until I started programming
Nice. That's System Magic for you!
machine spirits
just teach the people of Salem about Python
"It works and I don't know why."
"It doesn't work and I don't know why."
"This should work, but it doesn't."
"This shouldn't work, but it does."
The association of Python with the oracle of Delphi, and snakes with magic and the Devil more generally
I always loved the phrase 'We are the daughters of the witches you couldn't burn' (or something around that line) so I really felt that in this video...
As a descendant of an accused woman who refused to make a false confession to being a "witch", who was executed by hanging, I really dislike that saying.
@@yoohootube Yeah that's really fair. It was all very f*cked up ://
Friendly reminder that you are beautiful and I'm proud of you for being comfortable enough to take off your shirt in a video. You've cone a long way from just your face being visible.
This video took 3 hours to watch because my partner and I kept pausing it to add our own life experience to the proceedings. Its my experience teachers like to know when they've sparked spirited discussion between students, so I hope that gives you a smile Abbie ♡
God shit i just got into her videos and youtube keeps showing me older and older videos of her in quick succession and its a fucking shock to see how much she's changed so quickly. Proud of and happy for her!!!
3:40
"When we talk about the transition"
Ah, foreshadowing
There is no greater historical analysis than watching Abby’s old videos
Adds a whole new layer of ominousness to the fact that Disney has systematically taken over the dominant western cultural understanding of "magic", and is using it to make money for powerful white men.
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And women...cough* cough* Kathleen Kennedy. Wealth and power knows no race or gender.
Taking off the jacket: Oooh nice.
Taking off the shirt: Oooh NICE.
As we say in philosophy,, OOF THAT WAS SOME GOOD SHIT RIGHT THERE
This! ^
There's an important part of the KKK you missed, I think. It was a backlash. (Warning: reading)
After the Civil War, Congress established a lot of power over the (former) Confederate states and started forcing them to not be extremely racist. It actually worked, for a few years there. Some black people got former plantation land and with it economic independence, some Southern legislatures became majority black, the first black governor was elected and a black baseball player became the first in the major league. Along with this, education for all became a priority. There were black schools with black teachers that educated children and adults and taught former slaves and the very poor non-planter whites for the first time. This was a big deal, as the South was extremely underdeveloped and there was essentially no public education. (Don't do slavery, kids. It's not just the slaves that suffer.) Black men voted, and black women became activists. Rights for African Americans were seriously improving. However, this all required Northern interference, and the rich white people in the South were getting more and more pissed by the day, whining about their abundance of rights and such like a bunch of toddlers.
Unfortunately for everyone, these toddlers had access to weapons and white bedsheets. They started lynching and massacring black people in order to, *sigh*, "restore" the power that had been "unjustly ripped" from their poor, white hands.
Sound familiar?
In short, the KKK was a terrorist group that was founded as a violent backlash to an era of improvement for human rights, both black and white. They weren't keeping black people in their place after they'd been freed from slavery, they were putting them back in their place after they had escaped from many of the other things that came with slavery. Their violence succeeded at driving black voters away from the polls, allowing white legislatures to make laws that reversed the progress that had been made towards equality. As for the North, they simply couldn't muster enough support for black people in the faraway South to continue with Reconstruction, and had to draw out their troops eventually, leaving black Americans in the South on their own once again.
My point is, read about Reconstruction. It's actually very interesting and the lies people have been fed about it have led to an alarming level of defense for Confederate monuments and the Confederacy in general across the US. The historiography surrounding it was simply false, and there's a lot more than I can get into in a single UA-cam comment.
this sounds very interesting! do you mind if i ask for books/readings/historians whose research revolves around this? i'm not very well versed in us history (im from a country an ocean away lol) but i *really* like reading historical research and this sounds right up my alley! i'd like to read both the distorted historiography and the more accurate one to get a feel for the sort of narrative that's being projected (which is something i've done for state-sanctioned history in my country haha) and how much it departs from the "most coherent" version of history. i hope you don't mind, i'd just rather prefer to be pointed in the right direction and then go off from the literature there ahaha!
@@lettucewriter W.E.B. Du Bois was someone who originally started debunking the lies the Dunning School cooked up about Reconstruction. You can look both of those things up. I bet Eric Foner would help you out. Pretty sure he wrote a pretty good book on the Civil War (that I can't remember the name of). Maybe Jill Lepore as well? One thing I do to find sources for things is go to the Wikipedia page on a subject and look at the works cited of the Wikipedia page. You'll find some good websites, books, and such as a jumping off point for research. It could also help you find primary sources.
@@arigadatred5395 thank you very much, this helps a ton!
Ooooh
KKK is just a modern day Inquisition
Other people: Yeah you know, I like it when my partner ties me to the bedpost sometimes
Me: Getting cucked by Satan is what I'm really into
Is Capitalism really without magical thought (You know, getting something without paying the cost)? Producing and expecting a constant growth in consumption without ever running out of resources or any damage to the environment and that keeping such an economic system while trying to reduce our carbon footprint seems pretty much like wishful/magical thinking to me.
It seems you think that capitalists are thinking on nature and wider social issues when they organize a profit making enterprise
If he understood magic at all, he would know that magic isn't doing nothing to get something. Magic has always been about using rituals, materials, time and sacrifice to power the spells, hexes, charms, curses, amulets or whatever. Plus pagans in Europe are not the only groups who do or ever did practice forms of magic. There are more "magic" users today than there have ever been in any time in world history. Also traditionally women were NOT the more powerful in these sorts of cultures where magic is/was practiced. Men have always found ways to subjugate women, and this includes in places that practice shamanism, animism, spiritualism, wicca or whatever.
@@Meskarune
I don't know about the rest of the world, but in the Germanic world, magic was something for women and practiced almost exclusively by women. It's also the reason why this "women were not more powerful" is not actually true, since witches held A LOT of power in those days. I believe it was Caesar who wrote about his suprise to see that the Germanic warriors followed orders from their "matrones", which coming from a Roman was of course very strange since women were nothing more than cattle in Roman society.
Actually, I'm from Flanders (Belgium) and we have historical evidence as recent as 17th century showing that women held a great deal of power. They owned property, did their own finances, were allowed to divorce, had a job, could inheret property and titles and so on. There are documents about men being put on trial for beating their wives, suggesting that domestic violence was illegal. They even found several letters from travellers who travelled to Flanders, stating that the women "behaved like beasts" because they slept with whomever they wanted, showing that they had a great deal of sexual freedom as well. Granted, it all went to shit after that, with the rise of capitalism and liberalism, but still...
Where are all these resources going? they must be here somewhere, we are not shipping them off to another planet, everything can be recycled, as for plants we now have seed banks, so all known plants are going nowhere.
@@myname9748 Hey, fellow Belgian here and I'm a bit surprised about what you're saying, I've not heard anything like this before. Any reading material you can recommend about this subject, because it sounds pretty interesting!
Ollie, this was fantastic!
"this is the pettiest hill I will die on"
Says the typical taurus near the cusp that I'm assuming was born at some point around midday based on the luscious mane and histrionic demeanor!
The call is coming from inside the house! Beware the lobster man!
Why is he talking about wage gap as if it doesn't have explanations such as women statistically working less?
@Bill Voss why, exacly? Also, why do any man have work if it is cheaper to hire women, who get less pay for equal position anyway? Also, a women just try to reach higher position less often. Well, there could be some influence to women, but do you think that women aren't enought independentn to use their skills and merit to aquare high positions? What do you think about cencorship of GAB?
@Bill Voss GAB is social network with free speach, that lost host and paypal account because one of the users comited murder. Basicaly. Isn't todays cilicon waley giants also big totalitarian left pro-cencorship club? Also, men are more often idiots and gineoses then women, statistically. And there is big artificial monopoly problem. It's weird how in US people are to polorized to force goverment to do something about monopolys. There is also education problem. I think people should get equal opportunities, at least by goverment education and free healthcare. But expecting 50/50 is dumb. Poverty is big problem for men. Few rich guys don't make men priviliged.
@@principleshipcoleoid8095 Free speech always has limits. Should you be able to promote your illegal activities in GAB because free speech? Shoulc you be able to tell outright lies on youtube because free-speech? Where do you draw the line?
Go back to /pol/, they care about GAB's and stormfront's rights as much as you do. And will reinforce your self victimizing.
@@frechjo well, no one agrued for death threads, because they are harmfull. Not everythinh illigal is bad, and how could anyone stop ban of something without talking about it. GAB shiuld not be responsible of actions of its users, as arn scial media on hich som violent antifa propoganda is spread. Probably, promoting illegal staf is bad idea, but discussing if something should be illigal can be usefull in some cases. Example: same sex mariage. Also, you cant falesely acuse someone of anything. Most types of false acusation are illigal. Lying, on the other hand, isnt. Both ideologys have proponets lying about something for policial reasons. Nor everyn, of course.
That was brilliant. I actually stayed for the whole patreon supporter scroll because I wanted to just sit there and absorb all that. Brilliant script, brilliant delivery, brilliant music, and a really unique and informative way of looking this subject matter, I learned a lot, thanks Olly
Capitalism turned me into a newt. I didn't get better.
Oh my! 😂
S a m e .
I'm a wix now, of course. (Not religiously; but symbolically/aesthetically.) Gotta find my way out of this jar in a way that actually works. ⭐
As an atheist i find the existence of far right atheists like sargon of akkad depressing, long ago i thought that all atheists are progressive but every group of people has bad apples.
Sadly atheism, which had it's roots in progressivism, is slowly being co-opted by far-right groups, which really sucks
@@rattyeely Nah there's still more secular progressive atheists, and i think it will stay that way. 95% of atheists i know are very secular,nice people and i would call most of them humanists.
You shouldn't have kinship with other Atheists, that's a wholly negative category. Social Darwinists can be atheists in as much as Secular Humanists. What matters is the belief system being out forward.
It's almost like Atheism only refers to a type of belief in the divine (in this case the belief that the divine does not exists) and not any specific belief system and much in the way Theism only refers to a type of belief in the divine and not any specific belief system.
@@blixer8384 Atheists don't "belive that divine does not exist" By phrasing it that way you shift the burden of proof onto us. I know it's probably accidental.