To clear up confusion, I should say that I counted all towns and villages in game. So that includes Rhodes, Armadillo and everything else I did not put into the video due to time constraints. That all falls under the "small villages" category on the pie chart. I meant to put my list with exact houses and population at the end but I forgot.
@@williamparis500 no but I definitly could have because I did count camps like those from carnavals or whatever they are called again (valantine has one and I believe blackwatet to). The rail workers I figured to be on contracts and not eternaly away from home. But there where a lot of imigrants working there that would not for sure had families.
@patbau96 yea but what makes red dead redemption insane is the amount of living spaces and population while in gta its just large cities with thousands and thousands of people
It shows how scaled down the game is compared to the real world. New Orleans, in 1899(city St Denis is based on) had population of around 287,000 at that time btw
Interesting. If you speak the truth then that means St Denis is scaled with a ratio of around 191:1. Commugum made a video earlier showing that Los santos in GTA5 has a population of around 17.5k which compared to 3.9m residents in real life LA would be a ratio of round 222:1. Very comparable!
Not really bro you have to use real life to game ratio and then you realize you can’t 1 for 1 compare the population from real life to a video game lmao
Yeah? Every game with some real-world touch is scaled down; don’t tell me you played RE and expected to shoot at least a million zombies. What about those traffic in NFS and Forza games? You new here in gaming, pal?
There is some story/side missions and random encounters that tell you as well. Example: After micah goes to the house in strawberry to get his guns we can find out that theres 3 people living there (the son father and mother) even though it may seem like more, also there are waaaay more than 17 people in Van Horn
The reason why the map of RDR2 feels a lot bigger than GTA5 despite being roughly the same size is probably due to your mobility in RDR2 being limited to horseback, which means going at speeds no more than 40-50 km/h (at full button-mashing speed), whereas vehicles and aircraft allow players to zoom through the map in GTA5 at an in-built loading rate limit of 130 mph or 215 km/h, which is 4 times as fast. But it's also partially due to map design itself: roughly a third of GTA5's map is taken up by the rough barren terrain of Mt Chilliad, and the whole map is a single contiguous island. Even San Andreas felt relatively bigger at the time because it had 3 major cities, rural villages, desolate forests and some desert, all spread out evenly between between more than one landmass.
I believe that in the poorer, industrial parts of Saint Denis there will be a lot more people living under one roof than in the countryside houses. Still, the towns are pretty tiny overall. Funnily enough, I didn't think about that while playing, they seemed fine, only while revisiting them after finishing the story I though "huh, most of the buildings are just businesses" ^^
@@SmeagolTheGreat well then the end of the video fits this idea😂 Where he apologises for some mistakes. But that average was issued by the US government. So take if up against it I guess
Actually no, 1899 New Orleans(St Denis) had 287,000 people. More accurately, whole map would have probably around 480,000 people if given estimate from his population analysis
@@AverageAlien you can not look at ut like that my man. 😀 That 75 km represents almost all of the USA of that time. But again, include the game in the calculation as well and find yourself in the middle ground. It is same as if you take a look at CoD MW in Chernobyl where he says 50 thousand people used to love here, and you count all the apartments and you get to number of 5 thousand. It is a game, other reality that is trying to bring us close to real reality.
One minor correction, the chinese present aren't northern manchu or han chinese(what I assume you meant by qing chinese) but in fact, cantonese and taishanese which is an even more impressive feat by rockstar. great video though, I like population demographics
And the wapiti indian reservation. If butcher’s creek counts, the reservation should count too. He also didn’t account for the soldiers/gangs living in forts, and he didn’t count guarma.
Don't worry, I might not have discussed it but I did count Rhodes together with all the other settlements I did not cover in the video. there under the "towns" part of the pie chart. I meant to put in a screenshot of my full list of all settlements I counted but forgot.
This brings up an issue I always had with the game, towns just felt wayyyy to small, even for the wild west I feel like towns like valentine should have more living space.
Van Horn is in the condition it's in because it's based off Natchez, MS which at the time of RDR2 would make it nearly 200 years old. I don't remember the whole story but the city (especially along the river) was in pretty bad condition and mostly abandoned until the mid 20th century when steam boat tours on the Mississippi became popular.
It's intresting that 66% of people live in Blackwater and St Denis. That wouldn't match up to real life in 1900 only 18% of the south and 39% and 40% of the Midwest and west lived in Urban areas. The Northeast was the only region majority urban at that time reaching over 50% in 1880.
in RDR2, the gang members mention a number of times that they've left the West; the fictional four-corners intersection of the fictional states in the game is supposed to be much further east, so you'd expect it to be more urbanized
Red dead 2 feels bigger because you don’t have helicopters and jets unlike GTA so instead you have to travel through the entire map on a horse but I definitely think Red dead is bigger then GTA I think for GTA they were counting the sea around the island
Brilliant effort and you have done a remarkable job in maximising entertainment value for the topic, you are a natural born creator! 8:49 and 9:32 are my favourites :)
I was always wonsering how many people would live there, thank you for your work on that. Could you make the same video about the 3 Parts of Mafia? I would love to know!
that helps make it more believeable; the game can only show/suggest so many people at a time for technical reasons, but more can always spawn, so adding in the "unseen" population makes it a bit more believable in numbers. [Speaking of "unseen" population, I once killed so many St. Denis police in the upper floor of the hotel/bar there that the corpses started glitching and disappearing, and then eventually living cops were invisible and could shoot me but I couldn't shoot them.]
7:26 speaking about it I'd have love seen a rdr2 town the size of los santos. would've felt much bigger due to slower transportation opportunities (i mean a fucking horse) and the streetcar would've also been way more attractive than it is in saint denis
7:27 Scale here is far from being accurate, pretty sure Saint Denis is about the same size as Terminal Island in dimensions.People love to underestimate size of GTA V map when comparing it with RDR2's. Also, you forgot about Rhodes.
i didn't know that laziness and boredness (i hope that's the actual word) could make someone feel energetic and creative into making this kind of video
you don't have to think of them as full states; imagine it as a four-corners intersection of four fictional states. There's clearly more to some of them, just outside the game's map [in-universe, not easily passable mountains or what have you]
I've just calculated my rdr2 kill count i apparently killed the whole of the rdr2 map I'm at 3,593 kills so now i understand why there is a price on the members of the vanderlinde gang😅
The large farms around it are presumably still quite profitable, acting as a breadbasket for the other areas shown in the game. The gold the major estate families hold suggests they managed to hide away some legacy money from the slavery eras as well.
To clear up confusion, I should say that I counted all towns and villages in game. So that includes Rhodes, Armadillo and everything else I did not put into the video due to time constraints. That all falls under the "small villages" category on the pie chart. I meant to put my list with exact houses and population at the end but I forgot.
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Did you count the railroad camp as population? I could see it going either way.
@@williamparis500 no but I definitly could have because I did count camps like those from carnavals or whatever they are called again (valantine has one and I believe blackwatet to). The rail workers I figured to be on contracts and not eternaly away from home. But there where a lot of imigrants working there that would not for sure had families.
What about Guarma?
what about the villages that doesnt appear in the map like the railroad camp and Butcher Creek
At this point, the amount of murder that the collective gang commits over the game is practically a minor genocide
according to some random site I found, Arthur (or the entire gang, cant remember) racks about 1200 kills in the entire game, which is insane.
@@Harold-TheJass-Blingman Ok but isn't that every Rockstar game
@patbau96 yea but what makes red dead redemption insane is the amount of living spaces and population while in gta its just large cities with thousands and thousands of people
I've got 500 kills on my schofield alone.
It shows how scaled down the game is compared to the real world. New Orleans, in 1899(city St Denis is based on) had population of around 287,000 at that time btw
Interesting. If you speak the truth then that means St Denis is scaled with a ratio of around 191:1. Commugum made a video earlier showing that Los santos in GTA5 has a population of around 17.5k which compared to 3.9m residents in real life LA would be a ratio of round 222:1. Very comparable!
Not really bro you have to use real life to game ratio and then you realize you can’t 1 for 1 compare the population from real life to a video game lmao
Basically x10
What did you want them to do, have 280 thousand people just wandering around the city
Yeah? Every game with some real-world touch is scaled down; don’t tell me you played RE and expected to shoot at least a million zombies.
What about those traffic in NFS and Forza games?
You new here in gaming, pal?
There is some story/side missions and random encounters that tell you as well. Example: After micah goes to the house in strawberry to get his guns we can find out that theres 3 people living there (the son father and mother) even though it may seem like more, also there are waaaay more than 17 people in Van Horn
Yeah I think it's more so they look abandoned but since Van Horn is like a gang controlled town they do live in shit conditions.
@@Arkiasis i think for van horn it wouldve been easier to shoot everyone then count the x’s on the map
@@Themunnyman When you start a shootout many people still run away, and during the shootout new enemies can spawn in
The reason why the map of RDR2 feels a lot bigger than GTA5 despite being roughly the same size is probably due to your mobility in RDR2 being limited to horseback, which means going at speeds no more than 40-50 km/h (at full button-mashing speed), whereas vehicles and aircraft allow players to zoom through the map in GTA5 at an in-built loading rate limit of 130 mph or 215 km/h, which is 4 times as fast.
But it's also partially due to map design itself: roughly a third of GTA5's map is taken up by the rough barren terrain of Mt Chilliad, and the whole map is a single contiguous island. Even San Andreas felt relatively bigger at the time because it had 3 major cities, rural villages, desolate forests and some desert, all spread out evenly between between more than one landmass.
I believe that in the poorer, industrial parts of Saint Denis there will be a lot more people living under one roof than in the countryside houses. Still, the towns are pretty tiny overall. Funnily enough, I didn't think about that while playing, they seemed fine, only while revisiting them after finishing the story I though "huh, most of the buildings are just businesses" ^^
I guess the word "average" used at 1:37 may solve the problem ^^
@@vladdietheladdie7345 Not really, since I'm suggesting I believe the average might be higher.
@@SmeagolTheGreat well then the end of the video fits this idea😂
Where he apologises for some mistakes. But that average was issued by the US government. So take if up against it I guess
I believe that more accurately, it would be 250000 people all around this map.
Actually no, 1899 New Orleans(St Denis) had 287,000 people. More accurately, whole map would have probably around 480,000 people if given estimate from his population analysis
@thomasgrabkowski8283 I looked at no facts. It was just a wild guess..
No, it's 75 km^2 of land, literally nothing
how
@@AverageAlien you can not look at ut like that my man. 😀
That 75 km represents almost all of the USA of that time. But again, include the game in the calculation as well and find yourself in the middle ground.
It is same as if you take a look at CoD MW in Chernobyl where he says 50 thousand people used to love here, and you count all the apartments and you get to number of 5 thousand. It is a game, other reality that is trying to bring us close to real reality.
This series is great! It's something I've always wondered but never had the time or energy to do. GTA IV would be a cool one to do!
I have had that one suggested a couple of times, never played it but I'll look into it for sure
soooo entertaining. Please do more you will surely blow up soon
they take quite some effort but if I have the time, definitely!
@@commugum❤❤❤
I know a Dutchman when I hear him
Came to the comments to say the same thing hahahah
Awesome video. If these numbers are correct I’m surprised there are anyone left by the end of the game😂
Yes, I believe Dutch and his gang kill about half the maps worth of people just in the form of o'driscolls
One minor correction, the chinese present aren't northern manchu or han chinese(what I assume you meant by qing chinese) but in fact, cantonese and taishanese which is an even more impressive feat by rockstar. great video though, I like population demographics
can already tell this is gonna be a banger
U FORGOT RHODES edit no he didn’t imao
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
And the wapiti indian reservation. If butcher’s creek counts, the reservation should count too. He also didn’t account for the soldiers/gangs living in forts, and he didn’t count guarma.
Don't worry, I might not have discussed it but I did count Rhodes together with all the other settlements I did not cover in the video. there under the "towns" part of the pie chart. I meant to put in a screenshot of my full list of all settlements I counted but forgot.
Acutely I did include some pictures of what I counted as towns. There the purple circles at around 10:50
@@commugumI don’t see it
This brings up an issue I always had with the game, towns just felt wayyyy to small, even for the wild west I feel like towns like valentine should have more living space.
Yeah theres only 5 houses there, where is everyone
@@Hongobogologomo Dead on the sidewalk, why?
Rdr2 has to be the bedt video game ever, the amazzing story, details and how diverse and cool the map is. Rdr2 is a mustplay masterpiece
It was definitely a lot less when I finished the game lmao
love the video and series. Idea do GTA IV
never played it but I think it would fit nice into the series
Bro….the editing on this video is immaculate 🔥
Thanks, I have no idea how my potato has been able to produce this
im glad you did this brother. i remember a few yrs ago i tried to do this but went mad halfway through.
Im dying to a fever right now, ( not actually ) and this actually made me feel better, thank you. 😭
Hé me to (and I have a test tomorrow 😳), anyway, hope you get better soon.
Hearing a British guy give a country accent has got to be the most amazing thing ever
I find it funny that I can notice through your accent that you're from Den Haag.
Van Horn is in the condition it's in because it's based off Natchez, MS which at the time of RDR2 would make it nearly 200 years old. I don't remember the whole story but the city (especially along the river) was in pretty bad condition and mostly abandoned until the mid 20th century when steam boat tours on the Mississippi became popular.
It's intresting that 66% of people live in Blackwater and St Denis. That wouldn't match up to real life in 1900 only 18% of the south and 39% and 40% of the Midwest and west lived in Urban areas. The Northeast was the only region majority urban at that time reaching over 50% in 1880.
in RDR2, the gang members mention a number of times that they've left the West; the fictional four-corners intersection of the fictional states in the game is supposed to be much further east, so you'd expect it to be more urbanized
Red dead 2 feels bigger because you don’t have helicopters and jets unlike GTA so instead you have to travel through the entire map on a horse but I definitely think Red dead is bigger then GTA I think for GTA they were counting the sea around the island
Also gta had more mountains. And unlike red dead there were mostly inaccessible and boring.
@@charliecili I gotta admit mountains in gta are just so boring and have no reason to cover up a huge chunk of the map
10:42 These details are important for a realistic game and make all the difference.
the misery of counting saint denis housing needs more attention and respect lmao
Brilliant effort and you have done a remarkable job in maximising entertainment value for the topic, you are a natural born creator! 8:49 and 9:32 are my favourites :)
I was always wonsering how many people would live there, thank you for your work on that. Could you make the same video about the 3 Parts of Mafia? I would love to know!
Population of the Witcher 3!
Do Mafia III next, that would be quite fitting.
😅😊😊😊
For butchers creek, you could’ve just counted the people, they don’t like outsiders
Him: “Around 2500 people live in the RDR2 map”
Me after murdering the ENTIRE Saint Denis police force: “I beg to differ”
that helps make it more believeable; the game can only show/suggest so many people at a time for technical reasons, but more can always spawn, so adding in the "unseen" population makes it a bit more believable in numbers. [Speaking of "unseen" population, I once killed so many St. Denis police in the upper floor of the hotel/bar there that the corpses started glitching and disappearing, and then eventually living cops were invisible and could shoot me but I couldn't shoot them.]
Love your personality. Keep these up
Now do the population of Cyberpunk 2077 😂
amazing video, super underrated
Did he not count the workers down in the mines
Where do you think they live?
FaceTime watching this person I thought I clicked on a Teabag [Epic Gaming] video 😂
7:26 speaking about it I'd have love seen a rdr2 town the size of los santos. would've felt much bigger due to slower transportation opportunities (i mean a fucking horse) and the streetcar would've also been way more attractive than it is in saint denis
"dying of chewberqueuelosis
7:27 Scale here is far from being accurate, pretty sure Saint Denis is about the same size as Terminal Island in dimensions.People love to underestimate size of GTA V map when comparing it with RDR2's.
Also, you forgot about Rhodes.
No he didnt just didnt show it
Largely because GTA map is far more urbanized and cars are much faster than horses which makes it feel smaller
Do night city!
Don"t have cyberpunk but I'll put it on the list
@@commugum oh god, thats gonna take like a week lol
You should definitely do Skyrim or another scrolls game and base it off medieval European population
I have killer the entire population of the rdr2 map twice with my schoefield
This deserves more views
i didn't know that laziness and boredness (i hope that's the actual word) could make someone feel energetic and creative into making this kind of video
Just out of curiosity, you are nederlands am i right? 🇳🇱
this guy is gonna have fun counting gta6
You forgot to count people who live in hotels, which was common back then.
Blackwater is only really a city in the first game
In annesburg there’s a hotel and bath option in the gun shop
really enjoyed that video
Dying from TB is the best, Micah was a real man not dying from some little disease.
🤣
Can you do the population of Pilot Training Flight Simulator
I find it so immersion breaking that the map is supposed to be 3 states large
Not counties
3 full states
Valentine is supposed to be a capital
you don't have to think of them as full states; imagine it as a four-corners intersection of four fictional states. There's clearly more to some of them, just outside the game's map [in-universe, not easily passable mountains or what have you]
@@realQuestion i thought this too „well maybe it’s 3 corners of a state" *No*
Look at the official map of America, it’s 3 *full sized* states
@@syborgcat3830 Where could one see an official in-game map of America? My understanding was the ones I have seen were fan-made
@@realQuestion well they might be actually, I don’t know
@@realQuestionlike west elizabeth in RDR1 basically
Add the tents- campgrounds most ppl live lol
How u not gonna have Rhodes in the video it is such a cool town 😭
He counted it just didnt show it
Lmao Nederlands accent.
Mooi werk kerel.
I've just calculated my rdr2 kill count i apparently killed the whole of the rdr2 map I'm at 3,593 kills so now i understand why there is a price on the members of the vanderlinde gang😅
You forgot that like in reality there are a lot of people living in tents on this map. Just like you do in game.
Lmfao ur commentary is funny af
Ive been asking this question since the dawn of time.
By the end of the game, most players will have killed more than the entire population of the game !
Great video,and i hate to be that person but what about the prison population?
10:13 AYO
If you count the jail population, you missed the prison
Calling 1899 the "19th century of the U.S." made me end the video after 7 seconds.
Well technically...
minst duidelijke nederlands accent
great video
I can't tell if he's Scottish, Indian, German, or French...
He is probably Dutch
Dutch
Don’t horse balls shrink and grow depending on the weather?😂
Rhodes, Caliga hall, Braithwaite manor?
He counted them just didnt show them
6:34 1850s cities moment
what is that accent, are you south african?
Bizarrely arbitrary way to go about this
What do you think would be a better way?
love this
Although it’s not part of the main map u forgot guarma, I wonder how much ppl live in Aguasdulces and the rest of guarma
One thing that always confused me is why are there so many rich NPCs in Rhodes, it doesn't look that prosperous.
The large farms around it are presumably still quite profitable, acting as a breadbasket for the other areas shown in the game. The gold the major estate families hold suggests they managed to hide away some legacy money from the slavery eras as well.
Guarma?
The amount of houses vs how many people there are is so off lmao
R u Dutch or Afrikaaner??
You are the man
Did you count gang hideouts?
What’s that’s lumberjack doing???
I’m just kidding I know what he said. I’m not stupid.
Thank goodness gracious you don't count 1907 Population as John
Where is Guarma
Lekker nederlands accentje
the Afrikaans accent lmao so good
just cause 2 next?
What about guarma
INKY PINKY RED HEART RUM
just count all the human models in the pc on g
Respect
Saint Denis is very small in game
I play a game I call "aguessor", the essence is to guess speaker's accent. Are you from Ireland?
Close, the size of the country is correct but it's a bit more to the north east
You must be deaf
@@commugum scotland?
Haha doesn’t sound Irish in the slightest. Sounds more Danish or Dutch
@@nox4298 Yes, but which one?
Definitely didn’t count Annesburg there are so many small houses there
Dis you count the gang camps?
Yes, at least the ones i found
I smell Nederlands
Ik ruik Nederlands