Oh, hm. Yeah I didn't think of counting her but you're totally right, technically in Fusions she does survive. The fusions entry wasn't serious but thats a great catch
My headcanon is that there's no way the Frieza Force could have managed to hunt down and exterminate every last saiyan other than Goku/Kakarot, Raditz, Nappa, Vegeta, Broly, Paragus, Tarble and Onio. Especially considering the existence of exiles that went completely off the radar, plus the fact that the Saiyan population on Planet Vegeta is descended from refugees from the destroyed planet of Sadala. The chances of there being multiple groups that left Sadala for different destinations, of there being exile populations from both Sadala and Vegeta, of there being other Saiyan teams who ignored or just didn't receive the recall order, and possibly even of pirates and other willful deserters, are very high.
I mean why not? At this point we have more proof that sayians are inherently good without friezas control then proof that they are inherently evil,why wouldn't you leave?
@@TheVindicitive I wouldn't say we have proof that the U7 saiyans are inherently good without Frieza's influence, it's more that we have proof that they're just regular people without Frieza's influence. Albeit very aggressive, regular people with an instinctual drive towards combat and trying to be the best at everything. Honestly, had they been allowed to develop naturally, I'd say the U7 Saiyans would end up very similar to the Klingons from Star Trek culturally, particularly the TNG Klingons, but a bit more rough around the edges.
9:45 honestly I kind of wish they gave Turles the Broly treatment and reinvented him to be canon, he’s definitely one of my personal favourite Saiyan, an idea I’ve always had is that instead of looking like Goku, he looked liked Raditz and was Bardocks older brother, and he was a ‘Brilliant Scientist’ who not only invented the Artificial moon, but also believed in technological enhancement rather than raw training or class
That Xenoverse mention 14:28 would be a good set up. Imagine if instead of bringing Trunks back from death after his defeat by Perfect Cell. When they try, Shenron says he is still alive and it's beyond his power to retrieve him. Trunks getting yoinked from time at the end of the cell saga has so much potential to change and develop things.
For a series that's often accused of being all about the Saiyans, it's amazing how much restraint they had regarding introducing new ones. I guess the problem is that we're so late into the timeline, any surviving Saiyan would either be really old or just another baby that happened to be sent away.
@@aurahoneydew9607 any surviving off planet Saiyans would be between Vegeta's age & his+37~42 years older. Though given the fighting nature of their species we're not able to tell the natural life span outside of conflict
@@demonintellect9834 They make it a point that frieza ordered them all home before he destroyed the planet. It is heavily suggested at least 99% of the population was killed.
Original Z canon: "Only four Saiyans survived the destruction of their planet!" Current Z canon: "...did Frieza even bother to *_aim_* at Planet Vegeta?"
I still head canon onio into some of your what ifs honestly. Like in the goku vegeta to the past, trunks saved the saiyans or saiyans rebelled as a random mid class soldier
I would love to see Vegeta take the super dragon balls and wish for the planet of the saiyans and all its inhabitants to be brought back. Dragon Ball will be accelerated to a whole nother level because there are two planets that the saiyans lived on, so they were both be brought back and one would be in the mist of a civil war. That Would Be Amazing
i really love it how you choosed the super super heroes designs of Trunks and Goten instead of the Super versions. So happy to see their teenies go around instead of their toddler like style from Super
@SmugStick They are cool, original (goten isnt a Kid Goku clon and Gohan Clon by design anymore) and stay in line with their canon design (Future Trunks during the Android arc with the body type and Goku Black arc with his blue hair). I desperatly wish that these are their canon design past Super so much
14:30 The idea that the Xenoverse Saiyan hero went from rando nobody grunt under King Vegeta's rule to rivaling Ultra Instinct Goku in base is insanity if you really think about it...
@mariotron8718 He mentioned the Saiyan Avatars for Xenoverse kinda counting didn't he? And i created a character for the game - so at a stretch indirectly said character was mentioned. Don't think too much on it, I'm just suspending disbelief for amusement.
8:21 “I AM ONIO, THE LEGENDARY SUPER SAIYAN” Goku: “How do I explain this” Vegeta, Futrue Trunks, Gohan, Future Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Broly, Goku Black, Bardock: “No you ain’t”
Since Goku Black and Bardock count, does this mean the other Universes' Saiyans count as well? I mean, Kale could probably pass as Universe Six's Broly.
Thinking about writing a Guardians of the Galaxy esque/space pirate bounty hunter style DBZ Fanfiction where there was enough saiyan survivors to populate small settlements here and there in remote isolated worlds. My main character is a Pure-blooded saiyan born after planet vegeta was destroyed (he's around the same age as Gohan)
The same amount of Saiyans that survived Frieza are the same amount of Jedi that survived Order 66. Edit : 🤣🤣💀💀 i hit send on this comment as soon as you mentioned it
@@SmugStick I don't since Broly finds out pretty early on his own than the native creatures of the planet are infact edible since he was already chowing down on something when Paragus tracked him down, more likely Beets was used as bait if anything...
I actually have a saiyan OC. A descendant of Vegeta and Bulma through Bulla's side of the bloodline, going by the name of Candy. On learning about her part-alien heritage from an old book she found she used them brains she inherited from her bulma side to pick out the non-human genes and, through several tests [some being questionably ethical] she managed to override her human biology almost entirely. More tests resulted in figuring out how to rewrite human genetics even in humans who don't have any saiyan blood, and ultimately the New Saiyans left for another world with her as their queen. These new saiyans are not QUITE as violent, and have more normal sounding names, but are definitely saiyan, with the tails and super saiyan potential and everything. Not quite a survivor but a distant descendant of one.
I know right! I get Dragon Ball also having comedy, but this reasoning is just flat out stupid and what makes it even worse you would think Vegeta hearing Beerus talking about him being the one that orchestrated the death of his people while getting owned in a sparring match that he would have disdain toward, but no it was just a cool scene in manga to show how crazy strong Beerus is and this really shows how terrible Beerus is at his job.
Even though it seems like an Asspule its actually pretty reasonable they are dozens of Saiyan Survivors we don’t know about. Like we see what happened with Broly, the Saiyans were a Intergalactic invasion force. Theres a million reasons why one could’ve not been on Planet Vegeta and given its a whole species that’s spread across the entire universe , its logical Frieza would’ve missed some.
I'm 100% on board with your idea that there could have been Saiyans scattered all over the place that were either left for dead, captured, exiled or just left of their own accord by the time Planet Vegeta was destroyed, but I'd like to add another possibility to the mix - remember, Planet Vegeta wasn't the original Saiyan homeworld. The Saiyan population on that planet was descended from refugees from their original homeworld of Sadala, why couldn't there be multiple groups of refugees settled on various planets? Granted, this kinda requires us to ignore the "only 28 inhabited planets left in Universe 7" line Whis drops during Super, but honestly that's a very nonsensical line anyway. Anyway, I have a Saiyan OC named Tako-Su. Yes, I know, not a vegetable pun. She's named after a dish that's technically a salad, though (octopus sashimi over seaweed and cucumbers). Anyway, Tako-Su is a former PTO warrior who, during her career with the PTO, was such an insufferable jerk her coworkers conspired to basically ditch her to the other side of the universe, far away from Cold Empire territory. She ended up on planet Fillet Mignon (dumb name, but it fits the setting seeing as we have planets named Plant, Meat, Vegeta, Salad and all the Frieza Planets), originally expecting to conquer it but realizing what happened when she finds out her scouter is out of range of the PTO communications network. She then sets out on her own, gets involved in a bunch of hijinx (including fighting an insane Saiyan clone made by a Mashinjin and getting involved in an ongoing conflict between Saiyan and Icejin splinter factions), before eventually teaming up with a Majin pop idol (said majin is technically pure, just significantly more intelligent than Kid Buu while also being somewhat less powerful than Fat Buu). And if you're wondering, she's still a jerk, but she's mellowed out significantly.
The 28 inhabited planets thing absolutely _should_ be ignored: Freeza's empire had planets numbered into the triple digits, and moreover no empire that lives on selling planets could sustain itself with so few planets. And yet it doez
12:29 something tells me that the reason that red stripe was pushed slightly to the side instead of centered was to avoid any parallels to a certain ultimate life form
The fact that time travel exists in the dragonball universe, and they don't use it to stop frieza destroying planet vegeta, makes me wonder what kind of paradox that would cause.
The Prince takes longer to become a “good guy”, and his influence causes the now freed Saiyans to be a larger threat to the universe than Frieza ever was. Planets with people at Dodoria and Zarbon levels of power are safer for a few months to half a decade. Planets at Ginyu force levels, safe for a few years to decades. Cell level, safe for a few decades to a century. Buu level planets, are safe for multiple centuries. These estimates are assuming the gods do not intervene, or the Saiyans settle down and become closer in temperament to their Universe 6 counterparts.
12:10 Tbh, Masked Saiyan from Heroes and Xenoverse are post-EoB version of Bardock. The only other Bardock I can think of that survive is Warrior in Black since the game and its guide never mentioned that he's Xeno Bardock.
@@SmugStick It was implied that they sent him back in time to EoB event, which is how he got SS1, and they try to capture him after that. Towa said that they have a hard time capture him, implying that Bardock's power made it harder to get caught. You should comment on the videos of Godslayer 射手座の and ask him about Heroes. He's an expert of SBH informations.
I’ll still never forgive Fusions for not adding Tarble and not giving us Vegetarble as a fusion 😆 I like Neko Majin Z too, especially Kuriza because the idea of Frieza having a son is hilarious 😂 Also I love Z Broly God’s design. I know it’s basically like his SSJ3 form with slight changes but I just think it looks cool. Also I loved how Heroes manga basically confirmed that Beat’s timeline is the same time period as Goku Jr’s plus implies that Beat is Goku Jr’s cousin (which I take as Beat being a descendant of Goten since Goku Jr is Gohan’s descendant). I think they showed Beat’s mother who looks like Chi-Chi so I take it as her being a hybrid Saiyan too like Vegeta Jr’s mother (even though their Saiyan blood is probably very small like the boys). Bio-Clone or Androids with Saiyan DNA…well like you mentioned Cell and Bio-Broly. But also the Cell Jr’s, Mira and Fu from Online/Xenoverse/Heroes, and technically Android 21 if I recall since I think she was made similarly to how Cell was but also had Buu’s DNA added. I’m probably forgetting some others. Honestly if they had Saiyan prisoners in the Galactic Patrol prison, I could see them using that as a chance to introduce Turles into canon by revealing he was arrested sometime before the planet was destroyed which is why he survived. Maybe he was arrested as a young teen which would let him still look somewhat young unlike Paragus.
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There is Xenoverse 2 the player avatar is different from the first one if I remember correctly in the hero colosseum story I think Trunks mentions needing to battle either Goku/Kakarotto or Vegeta to get other saiyans to play meaning other saiyans are there and all of them can’t be from time travel
i wonder if goku's fall and loss of his saiyan behavior, and then raditz's comments about him not knowing what he should despite having no sources to learn about it would mean it's not their actual behavior, but something programmed into them. sure, they're still a warrior race, but the psychopathic behavior most of them show could be something either they do to themselves to increase their effectiveness, or freeza's doing. the saiyans in the other universe don't have that behavior, they're more like post-fall goku.
Id love to see a "WHAT if Raditz became an android?" Where his body was turned into a replacement android 19 then he turns good and even bas some kids. I used that in my own au and my main oc is his son.
Years ago I wrote a fanfic with a group of Saiya-Jin survivors. They were sent out to conquer a planet, however when they got there, their comms was destroyed and everyone thought they died. Until they returned to Planet Vejita and found rubble. That's my kind of Pure Blooded SJ to be added. One that doesn't break canon and makes sense.
Little stopping Pilaf? There’s a whole Red Ribbon Army so it’s pretty short lived, and if he frees King Piccolo then everyone’s screwed so there’s little chance of him being stopped unless Kami interfered with his plans or the Saiyans came and conquered Earth.
@ Yeah I was kidding but wouldn’t he want revenge on either Commander Red or Black? Shortly after he gets his wish a year later he’ll have to deal with them, which is where King Piccolo comes in possibly but yeah Roshi, Gohan, could possibly reseal him and heck maybe Ox King and Chi-Chi could get involved before Kami did.. If they met Yamcha and/or Krillin is up for debate.
At this point, Planet Vegeta might as well not even matter if it was blown up; if Frieza were to see this, he'd probably scream and explode on impact.💀
I'm trying to remember what my Saiyan OC was called. I want to say Tater, and he was weak, He joined Banjo, the Namekian, Taffy, the Majin, and Hickory the Human under Dr. Sundae's (Freeza Clan) tutelage. Banjo was a namekian who didn't understand gardening and got ostracized for killing plants for drinking all the water. Didn't get much further with the others.
14:28 that only applies to the time patroller of the first game, the one from the second game is already on Conton city, but your point still applies cuz its very vague where your Time patroller so you can have any headcanon you want.
I've always wished that they would establish that King Vegeta foresaw that Frieza might try something like destroying the planet and snuck a dozen or a couple of dozen saiyans off of the planet one or two at a time over time and had them establish a colony somewhere out on the edge of the universe just in case. And if all of the sayians on the colony paired up and had a couple of kids there could easily be a small society of 100 or so saiyans out there.
My what if suggestion WHAT IF GOKU UNLOCKED GOD KI AT NAMIK (i was thinking wither would on namek or against buu would have been a more interesting story but I trust your story telling skills)
If I had a nickel for every time a group of space pirates attacked during a Dragon Ball movie I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it's happened twice.
I have a somewhat concept for a what if involving Fasha. In it, she actuatll survived and via misinput she winds up on earth and found by Grampa Gohan. Since shes stuck on earth she stays with thw old guy helping him raise Goku aka Kakarot.
If I remember correctly, Planet Vegeta wasn't even the Sayian home planet, they were from Saldala. So it possible there are some sayians that never were associated with Planet Vegeta
I mean, I get what you’re saying, but it’s legitimately seems like it never happened. The Saiyans were racists and clearly only cared about themselves and being with themselves. Nappa is surprised to hear that mixed saiyans exists and are so strong.
What kind of saiyan I would make. Depends. I have some options: - A husband and wife combo, probably low class who weren't even fighters but great at thinking up clever tactics (no not brilliant scientists) - A woman captured by an alien race for the crimes of her people. She escapes by becoming super saiyan after seeing one of her jailbird friends brutally executed. She barley reigns in her new powers and steals a ship. - Two childeren (brothers or maybe a bro/sis combo) were sent to another planet but their pods malfunctions and no data on their former lives remain. On their new home planet of giants they are known as the strong pinky's. Not only because they have pink skin while the giants are grey but because their adult height is just about a pinky finger to them. Still their "mom" loves them and is impressed that her small children can go toe to toe with their older giant siblings. When the Frieza force arrives and starts to take over the planet, the two discover a new power deep within after an initial defeat: Zenkai!
Nekomajin could be canon but there really isn’t a good reason why Vegeta would go back to working for the Frieza Force. Unless maybe it’s some sort of ploy for him to keep an eye on them an make sure they’re not terrorizing any peaceful planets or something and/or because traveling the universe gives him a chance to fight strong opponents.
I have one about Krillin becoming a Saiyan in the works, Android Goku S2, and s2 of Goku Vegeta earth, but I’m currently taking a break from what ifs and shifting a bit more to these kinds of videos. I’ve been pretty burned out of what ifs for a while
@@godzilla4189Yeha those haven’t been crazy hitters for anyone really, but I wanna make like big overviews of a few episodes soon and more theorizing on them. I am really enjoying the show. Thanks so much for checking in, it really means a lot!
For the saiyan survivor I'd make question. Another 'too weak to care about' saiyan like Goku, who was just never picked up. Just hanging around on a dead planet, or on a thriving one, with no clue they're even a saiyan. Basically what would have happened if Raditz didn't show up.
I wouldn't really complain about more sayians surviving. I mean, even if we have 100 sayians alive, It's not unreasonable to think that out of an ENTIRE PLANET a few hundred ignored the orders
Also take in consideration, the Saiyans were sent to invade other planets right? How many of those Saiyans were categorized as M.I.A. and just didn't follow up orders and went on their random way, maybe even made their own families and had also their own descendants?
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If I’m not wrong, wasn’t Gine in Dragon Ball Fusions as well? That would make her count as a survivor too I’m pretty sure right?
Oh, hm. Yeah I didn't think of counting her but you're totally right, technically in Fusions she does survive. The fusions entry wasn't serious but thats a great catch
@@SmugStick glad to help lol😅👍
Ok
@@EdgyRoseBoi like as in Dragon Ball Fusion for 3ds? If yes, then yeah, bardock also survived in that game
My headcannon is that the two random saiyans deserted the frieza forces and are chilling on a random planet as farmers. It makes me happy
They overcame the one wall which neither Goku nor Vegeta could ever overcome: tying the knot.
I could see that happening
My headcanon is that there's no way the Frieza Force could have managed to hunt down and exterminate every last saiyan other than Goku/Kakarot, Raditz, Nappa, Vegeta, Broly, Paragus, Tarble and Onio. Especially considering the existence of exiles that went completely off the radar, plus the fact that the Saiyan population on Planet Vegeta is descended from refugees from the destroyed planet of Sadala. The chances of there being multiple groups that left Sadala for different destinations, of there being exile populations from both Sadala and Vegeta, of there being other Saiyan teams who ignored or just didn't receive the recall order, and possibly even of pirates and other willful deserters, are very high.
I mean why not? At this point we have more proof that sayians are inherently good without friezas control then proof that they are inherently evil,why wouldn't you leave?
@@TheVindicitive
I wouldn't say we have proof that the U7 saiyans are inherently good without Frieza's influence, it's more that we have proof that they're just regular people without Frieza's influence. Albeit very aggressive, regular people with an instinctual drive towards combat and trying to be the best at everything.
Honestly, had they been allowed to develop naturally, I'd say the U7 Saiyans would end up very similar to the Klingons from Star Trek culturally, particularly the TNG Klingons, but a bit more rough around the edges.
9:45 honestly I kind of wish they gave Turles the Broly treatment and reinvented him to be canon, he’s definitely one of my personal favourite Saiyan, an idea I’ve always had is that instead of looking like Goku, he looked liked Raditz and was Bardocks older brother, and he was a ‘Brilliant Scientist’ who not only invented the Artificial moon, but also believed in technological enhancement rather than raw training or class
Yeah Turles is sick, making this video made me like him more
They did, but he's called "Goku Black" now 👍
@@VualDaZartAnd yet he aint even black.
Makes sense. Turles is the one who weaponized agriculture to cheat his way past power levels.
@@VualDaZartno, goku black is xicor.
You forgot about the saiyan that hasn't debuted yet because you know for a fact one could just show up out of nowhere at this point
But he did...
Trunks was so outta nowhere he was from the future.
Like the jedi after order 66
huh?
watch xicor become canon lol
Saiyans continuing the tradition started by the Kryptonians and the Jedi
How many Saiyans survived Planet Vegeta's destruction?
Yes.
Too many.
-Frieza.
That Xenoverse mention 14:28 would be a good set up.
Imagine if instead of bringing Trunks back from death after his defeat by Perfect Cell. When they try, Shenron says he is still alive and it's beyond his power to retrieve him. Trunks getting yoinked from time at the end of the cell saga has so much potential to change and develop things.
For a series that's often accused of being all about the Saiyans, it's amazing how much restraint they had regarding introducing new ones. I guess the problem is that we're so late into the timeline, any surviving Saiyan would either be really old or just another baby that happened to be sent away.
Well they introduced multiverse saiyans so~
@@aurahoneydew9607 any surviving off planet Saiyans would be between Vegeta's age & his+37~42 years older. Though given the fighting nature of their species we're not able to tell the natural life span outside of conflict
5:09 I totally misheard that and I had to listen to it a couple times to make sure I wasn't tripping
Same lol
Considering we don't know the population of the planet. Only 60 some sayain surviving that might be like 0.5 percent of them all
We know in minus that there were only a few thousand
@@SmugStickif there's more than 1200, then 60 survivors are actually less than 0.5%
The thing is a lot of saiyans wouldn't have even been on the planet since they were sent out as children.
A lot of children probably survived but were quickly hunted down
@@demonintellect9834 They make it a point that frieza ordered them all home before he destroyed the planet. It is heavily suggested at least 99% of the population was killed.
Original Z canon: "Only four Saiyans survived the destruction of their planet!"
Current Z canon: "...did Frieza even bother to *_aim_* at Planet Vegeta?"
I mean...8 dudes surviving out of an entire planet of people isn't as crazy as you think it is.
@@alfalldoot6715yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if a ship of 10 other saiyans ignored the order and are still out there
That's because the survivors were off the planet.
I still head canon onio into some of your what ifs honestly. Like in the goku vegeta to the past, trunks saved the saiyans or saiyans rebelled as a random mid class soldier
I would love to see Vegeta take the super dragon balls and wish for the planet of the saiyans and all its inhabitants to be brought back. Dragon Ball will be accelerated to a whole nother level because there are two planets that the saiyans lived on, so they were both be brought back and one would be in the mist of a civil war. That Would Be Amazing
Resurrecting a race of bloodthirsty planet conquering super warriors surely won’t have any negative consequences.
@@Prince_Luci Yeah but also.. Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan would keep them in check and be like "no we aren't doing that"
@@Prince_LuciThat’s the point.
i really love it how you choosed the super super heroes designs of Trunks and Goten instead of the Super versions. So happy to see their teenies go around instead of their toddler like style from Super
They’re so cool
@SmugStick They are cool, original (goten isnt a Kid Goku clon and Gohan Clon by design anymore) and stay in line with their canon design (Future Trunks during the Android arc with the body type and Goku Black arc with his blue hair). I desperatly wish that these are their canon design past Super so much
I wish they bring back Tarble and have him unlock ssj1 because he loves his wife too mucy and cant handle her getting work.
14:30 The idea that the Xenoverse Saiyan hero went from rando nobody grunt under King Vegeta's rule to rivaling Ultra Instinct Goku in base is insanity if you really think about it...
Sweet! Means Berout (My personal Xenoverse 2 Saiyan) survived too and was indirectly mentioned here!
Explain
@mariotron8718 He mentioned the Saiyan Avatars for Xenoverse kinda counting didn't he? And i created a character for the game - so at a stretch indirectly said character was mentioned.
Don't think too much on it, I'm just suspending disbelief for amusement.
Guess my Habero Saiyan survived too 😅
I like how you mentioned every sayian possible rather than the canon ones only, W vid
8:21 “I AM ONIO, THE LEGENDARY SUPER SAIYAN”
Goku: “How do I explain this”
Vegeta, Futrue Trunks, Gohan, Future Gohan, Goten, Trunks, Broly, Goku Black, Bardock: “No you ain’t”
Since Goku Black and Bardock count, does this mean the other Universes' Saiyans count as well? I mean, Kale could probably pass as Universe Six's Broly.
yo I love it when I time travel to the futrue
@@SonicKirboand when died ones like Bardock, Future Gohan, and Goku Black come back
Also isn’t Bardock not a super saiyan in canon, only in the Z movie
@@the_dude23He still went Super Saiyan, canon or not I’m still listing him
Hot damn, Smugstick is super handsome!!! 😍😍😍
Thinking about writing a Guardians of the Galaxy esque/space pirate bounty hunter style DBZ Fanfiction where there was enough saiyan survivors to populate small settlements here and there in remote isolated worlds. My main character is a Pure-blooded saiyan born after planet vegeta was destroyed (he's around the same age as Gohan)
Duuude props for using those sick dbz sagas cutscenes ❤^^
Love that cutscene
@@SmugStick the video surprised me honestly ^-^
“Sure it makes no sense, but it’s funnier that way. Therefore, you should just believe that’s what happened.” -Toriyama on Dragon Ball canon, probably
The same amount of Saiyans that survived Frieza are the same amount of Jedi that survived Order 66.
Edit : 🤣🤣💀💀 i hit send on this comment as soon as you mentioned it
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There's a theory kid Broly & his dad ate the corpse of Beets since food was limited
I believe it
Same here @@SmugStick
@@Quirky_Robo It is believable thanks to how limited food is.
@@SmugStick I don't since Broly finds out pretty early on his own than the native creatures of the planet are infact edible since he was already chowing down on something when Paragus tracked him down, more likely Beets was used as bait if anything...
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I like that they've kept the Saiyan count low
I actually have a saiyan OC. A descendant of Vegeta and Bulma through Bulla's side of the bloodline, going by the name of Candy. On learning about her part-alien heritage from an old book she found she used them brains she inherited from her bulma side to pick out the non-human genes and, through several tests [some being questionably ethical] she managed to override her human biology almost entirely. More tests resulted in figuring out how to rewrite human genetics even in humans who don't have any saiyan blood, and ultimately the New Saiyans left for another world with her as their queen. These new saiyans are not QUITE as violent, and have more normal sounding names, but are definitely saiyan, with the tails and super saiyan potential and everything.
Not quite a survivor but a distant descendant of one.
the smile at 1:49 scares me
0:53 This was all Beerus' fault and all over a bloody pillow?!?!?!?!
I know right! I get Dragon Ball also having comedy, but this reasoning is just flat out stupid and what makes it even worse you would think Vegeta hearing Beerus talking about him being the one that orchestrated the death of his people while getting owned in a sparring match that he would have disdain toward, but no it was just a cool scene in manga to show how crazy strong Beerus is and this really shows how terrible Beerus is at his job.
I know it's been done before but I'd love if you do your own version of what if Vegeta raised tarble
Even though it seems like an Asspule its actually pretty reasonable they are dozens of Saiyan Survivors we don’t know about. Like we see what happened with Broly, the Saiyans were a Intergalactic invasion force. Theres a million reasons why one could’ve not been on Planet Vegeta and given its a whole species that’s spread across the entire universe , its logical Frieza would’ve missed some.
If they were to make Turles canon him being captured by the galactic patrol and the escaping would be a good idea
Saiyan survivors vs Jedi survivors
4:01 why did this random ass alien placeholder have such a good design
LMAO Its from a Toriyama designed game as well
I'm 100% on board with your idea that there could have been Saiyans scattered all over the place that were either left for dead, captured, exiled or just left of their own accord by the time Planet Vegeta was destroyed, but I'd like to add another possibility to the mix - remember, Planet Vegeta wasn't the original Saiyan homeworld. The Saiyan population on that planet was descended from refugees from their original homeworld of Sadala, why couldn't there be multiple groups of refugees settled on various planets?
Granted, this kinda requires us to ignore the "only 28 inhabited planets left in Universe 7" line Whis drops during Super, but honestly that's a very nonsensical line anyway.
Anyway, I have a Saiyan OC named Tako-Su. Yes, I know, not a vegetable pun. She's named after a dish that's technically a salad, though (octopus sashimi over seaweed and cucumbers). Anyway, Tako-Su is a former PTO warrior who, during her career with the PTO, was such an insufferable jerk her coworkers conspired to basically ditch her to the other side of the universe, far away from Cold Empire territory. She ended up on planet Fillet Mignon (dumb name, but it fits the setting seeing as we have planets named Plant, Meat, Vegeta, Salad and all the Frieza Planets), originally expecting to conquer it but realizing what happened when she finds out her scouter is out of range of the PTO communications network. She then sets out on her own, gets involved in a bunch of hijinx (including fighting an insane Saiyan clone made by a Mashinjin and getting involved in an ongoing conflict between Saiyan and Icejin splinter factions), before eventually teaming up with a Majin pop idol (said majin is technically pure, just significantly more intelligent than Kid Buu while also being somewhat less powerful than Fat Buu). And if you're wondering, she's still a jerk, but she's mellowed out significantly.
You should make a comic about it. If you do I will read it.
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I wish I had the art skills for that.
The 28 inhabited planets thing absolutely _should_ be ignored: Freeza's empire had planets numbered into the triple digits, and moreover no empire that lives on selling planets could sustain itself with so few planets. And yet it doez
12:29 something tells me that the reason that red stripe was pushed slightly to the side instead of centered was to avoid any parallels to a certain ultimate life form
Where’s that damn four star dragonball ?
The fact that time travel exists in the dragonball universe, and they don't use it to stop frieza destroying planet vegeta, makes me wonder what kind of paradox that would cause.
The Prince takes longer to become a “good guy”, and his influence causes the now freed Saiyans to be a larger threat to the universe than Frieza ever was.
Planets with people at Dodoria and Zarbon levels of power are safer for a few months to half a decade.
Planets at Ginyu force levels, safe for a few years to decades.
Cell level, safe for a few decades to a century.
Buu level planets, are safe for multiple centuries.
These estimates are assuming the gods do not intervene, or the Saiyans settle down and become closer in temperament to their Universe 6 counterparts.
12:10 Tbh, Masked Saiyan from Heroes and Xenoverse are post-EoB version of Bardock. The only other Bardock I can think of that survive is Warrior in Black since the game and its guide never mentioned that he's Xeno Bardock.
The story of him in those games is a little weird, but in Xenoverse we see Mira and Towa take him FROM the death ball scene
@@SmugStick It was implied that they sent him back in time to EoB event, which is how he got SS1, and they try to capture him after that. Towa said that they have a hard time capture him, implying that Bardock's power made it harder to get caught. You should comment on the videos of Godslayer 射手座の and ask him about Heroes. He's an expert of SBH informations.
6:20 No he isn't mentioned. Same thing with Bulma's older sister named Tights. We almost never hear from her, same thing with Launch. Oh well.
We can only hope
You should Make What if The Ultimate Tenkai Hero canon, because I would be happy seeing a video about him
9:44 YOU KNOW I'M A LOW CLASS WARRIOR RIGHT
Great thumbnail SmugStick
I’ll still never forgive Fusions for not adding Tarble and not giving us Vegetarble as a fusion 😆
I like Neko Majin Z too, especially Kuriza because the idea of Frieza having a son is hilarious 😂
Also I love Z Broly God’s design. I know it’s basically like his SSJ3 form with slight changes but I just think it looks cool.
Also I loved how Heroes manga basically confirmed that Beat’s timeline is the same time period as Goku Jr’s plus implies that Beat is Goku Jr’s cousin (which I take as Beat being a descendant of Goten since Goku Jr is Gohan’s descendant). I think they showed Beat’s mother who looks like Chi-Chi so I take it as her being a hybrid Saiyan too like Vegeta Jr’s mother (even though their Saiyan blood is probably very small like the boys).
Bio-Clone or Androids with Saiyan DNA…well like you mentioned Cell and Bio-Broly. But also the Cell Jr’s, Mira and Fu from Online/Xenoverse/Heroes, and technically Android 21 if I recall since I think she was made similarly to how Cell was but also had Buu’s DNA added. I’m probably forgetting some others.
Honestly if they had Saiyan prisoners in the Galactic Patrol prison, I could see them using that as a chance to introduce Turles into canon by revealing he was arrested sometime before the planet was destroyed which is why he survived. Maybe he was arrested as a young teen which would let him still look somewhat young unlike Paragus.
"Well, between you and the Namekian, I think I've lost my touch at g[WOOPS, UA-cam DOESN'T LIKE THAT WORD]cide." ~Freeza
Erm when was Sand Underman a part of DBZ? 1:15 (look at the subtitles)
Sans?
Keep it up on your work and this video and channel
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I love dragon ball all franchise
Everything is canon there is an endless amount of MultiVersus
I always like calling the Ultimate Tenkaichi Hero, Blast
There is Xenoverse 2 the player avatar is different from the first one if I remember correctly in the hero colosseum story I think Trunks mentions needing to battle either Goku/Kakarotto or Vegeta to get other saiyans to play meaning other saiyans are there and all of them can’t be from time travel
10:22 was that...Gero as Super 13?
i wonder if goku's fall and loss of his saiyan behavior, and then raditz's comments about him not knowing what he should despite having no sources to learn about it would mean it's not their actual behavior, but something programmed into them. sure, they're still a warrior race, but the psychopathic behavior most of them show could be something either they do to themselves to increase their effectiveness, or freeza's doing. the saiyans in the other universe don't have that behavior, they're more like post-fall goku.
Id love to see a "WHAT if Raditz became an android?" Where his body was turned into a replacement android 19 then he turns good and even bas some kids. I used that in my own au and my main oc is his son.
Me (I'm built different 🗿)
erm what the sigma
Years ago I wrote a fanfic with a group of Saiya-Jin survivors. They were sent out to conquer a planet, however when they got there, their comms was destroyed and everyone thought they died. Until they returned to Planet Vejita and found rubble.
That's my kind of Pure Blooded SJ to be added. One that doesn't break canon and makes sense.
Little stopping Pilaf? There’s a whole Red Ribbon Army so it’s pretty short lived, and if he frees King Piccolo then everyone’s screwed so there’s little chance of him being stopped unless Kami interfered with his plans or the Saiyans came and conquered Earth.
It was just an offhand remark lmao
He’s not summoning Piccolo if he doesn’t get stopped by Goku
Only way he’s stopped is if Gohan goes with Bulma
@ Yeah I was kidding but wouldn’t he want revenge on either Commander Red or Black? Shortly after he gets his wish a year later he’ll have to deal with them, which is where King Piccolo comes in possibly but yeah Roshi, Gohan, could possibly reseal him and heck maybe Ox King and Chi-Chi could get involved before Kami did.. If they met Yamcha and/or Krillin is up for debate.
I don’t know man, the Saiyan prisoner idea is really cool. They’d have to be pretty old though!
At this point, Planet Vegeta might as well not even matter if it was blown up; if Frieza were to see this, he'd probably scream and explode on impact.💀
happy early day
I'm trying to remember what my Saiyan OC was called. I want to say Tater, and he was weak, He joined Banjo, the Namekian, Taffy, the Majin, and Hickory the Human under Dr. Sundae's (Freeza Clan) tutelage. Banjo was a namekian who didn't understand gardening and got ostracized for killing plants for drinking all the water. Didn't get much further with the others.
14:28 that only applies to the time patroller of the first game, the one from the second game is already on Conton city, but your point still applies cuz its very vague where your Time patroller so you can have any headcanon you want.
Yeah I was specifically talking about the first game, just used the manga of the second for ease
I've always wished that they would establish that King Vegeta foresaw that Frieza might try something like destroying the planet and snuck a dozen or a couple of dozen saiyans off of the planet one or two at a time over time and had them establish a colony somewhere out on the edge of the universe just in case. And if all of the sayians on the colony paired up and had a couple of kids there could easily be a small society of 100 or so saiyans out there.
Nappa with hair looks like Mexican sayian 😂😂😂😂
With how many people survive this tragedy it honestly reminds me of order 66
I genuinely need them to introduce Tarble when they continue super
My what if suggestion
WHAT IF GOKU UNLOCKED GOD KI AT NAMIK (i was thinking wither would on namek or against buu would have been a more interesting story but I trust your story telling skills)
1:50 Little Kakarot was basically Goku Black before hitting his head.
never knew Steven Seagal was a saiyan 😂
7:24 Ten Shin Han: lo sabia!!! Vegetta nos traicionó para volver a trabajar con freezer!!! no te saldras con la tuya Vegetta!!!
😭😭😭😭
it made more sense to send the prince with more than one adult warrior/body guard on the mission
If I had a nickel for every time a group of space pirates attacked during a Dragon Ball movie I'd have two nickels.
Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it's happened twice.
I feel like you'd have more than two, though I suppose it depends on where you draw the line between "invaders from space" and "space pirates"
I get why you included the games, but omg that is so many more saiyans that i start to hate it
Almost forgot Heroes existed. what a dumbsterfire of a commercial.
its like disney star wars just when u thought few jedi survived order 66 theyre gonna pull that actually many did survived
Star Wars was like that before disney tbhf
I really hope they bring in 1 full blooded female saiyan that escaped
I have a somewhat concept for a what if involving Fasha. In it, she actuatll survived and via misinput she winds up on earth and found by Grampa Gohan. Since shes stuck on earth she stays with thw old guy helping him raise Goku aka Kakarot.
Imagine they made turles canon by just saying he was in the custody of the galactic patrol and when moro got out turles just went somewhere
Hey got an amazing what if idea. What if bulma brought the dragon radar with her when goku teleported everyone to the look out during the buu saga?
Tbh if they did a Turles reboot like broly and turn him into the inter-planetary uncle I would be pretty happy.
My headcanon is that a Saiyan gave his daughter up for adoption to another planet.
If I remember correctly, Planet Vegeta wasn't even the Sayian home planet, they were from Saldala. So it possible there are some sayians that never were associated with Planet Vegeta
Sadala was destroyed, but yeah maybe some ended up on other planets
11:23 That scene is so cringe...
Nah it’s fun
Here before the video hit
10 minutes uploaded
about a half-breed from before planet vegetas destruction? you're telling me the saiyans NEVER bred while conquering??? suuuuuure ;) xD
I mean, I get what you’re saying, but it’s legitimately seems like it never happened. The Saiyans were racists and clearly only cared about themselves and being with themselves. Nappa is surprised to hear that mixed saiyans exists and are so strong.
No, saiyans are narcissistic and racist, they wouldn’t
#SmugStickSquad 😎
What kind of saiyan I would make.
Depends.
I have some options:
- A husband and wife combo, probably low class who weren't even fighters but great at thinking up clever tactics (no not brilliant scientists)
- A woman captured by an alien race for the crimes of her people. She escapes by becoming super saiyan after seeing one of her jailbird friends brutally executed. She barley reigns in her new powers and steals a ship.
- Two childeren (brothers or maybe a bro/sis combo) were sent to another planet but their pods malfunctions and no data on their former lives remain.
On their new home planet of giants they are known as the strong pinky's. Not only because they have pink skin while the giants are grey but because their adult height is just about a pinky finger to them.
Still their "mom" loves them and is impressed that her small children can go toe to toe with their older giant siblings.
When the Frieza force arrives and starts to take over the planet, the two discover a new power deep within after an initial defeat: Zenkai!
Nekomajin could be canon but there really isn’t a good reason why Vegeta would go back to working for the Frieza Force. Unless maybe it’s some sort of ploy for him to keep an eye on them an make sure they’re not terrorizing any peaceful planets or something and/or because traveling the universe gives him a chance to fight strong opponents.
Aye bro, you look like Daniel Radcliff, Harry potter
5:11 So we not gonna talk about how Broly and Paragus probably ate Beets?
Just a Question: Whats the next What If? Will it be a Christmas special like what Masako X does every year?
I have one about Krillin becoming a Saiyan in the works, Android Goku S2, and s2 of Goku Vegeta earth, but I’m currently taking a break from what ifs and shifting a bit more to these kinds of videos. I’ve been pretty burned out of what ifs for a while
@@SmugStick Its all good. :) I like these vids too. Surprised we haven't gotten any more Daima reviews though.
@@godzilla4189Yeha those haven’t been crazy hitters for anyone really, but I wanna make like big overviews of a few episodes soon and more theorizing on them. I am really enjoying the show. Thanks so much for checking in, it really means a lot!
Tbh they didn't survive the planet destruction because they weren't there on the planet
Yeah but “Live even after the destruction of planet Vegeta” doesn’t have as good of a ring
Bruh planet Vegeta really got destroyed bc of a pillow? Lmao
2:55 juicy. Would have loved to see that fight scene.
For the saiyan survivor I'd make question. Another 'too weak to care about' saiyan like Goku, who was just never picked up. Just hanging around on a dead planet, or on a thriving one, with no clue they're even a saiyan. Basically what would have happened if Raditz didn't show up.
*christmas tree of might
I wouldn't really complain about more sayians surviving. I mean, even if we have 100 sayians alive, It's not unreasonable to think that out of an ENTIRE PLANET a few hundred ignored the orders
My theory is that the pure hearted Sayans won the war in universe 6 instead of the evil ones like in univerae 7.
I'm assuming there were probably a few million saiyans at least right? 10 surviving seems like a pretty thorough job by Freeza
There was only a few thousand as revealed in minus
@SmugStick Gotcha. I guess that makes sense with them always warring with everyone lol.
@@ingobernoble267810 still is thorough
Smugstick how about a video about how Neko Majin Z is the TRUE canon DB ending? Black Freeza bullied Vegeta into working for him again 😁
Also take in consideration, the Saiyans were sent to invade other planets right? How many of those Saiyans were categorized as M.I.A. and just didn't follow up orders and went on their random way, maybe even made their own families and had also their own descendants?