I like the original Halloween 2 but I think his dislike was more due to fact he didn't originally want to make a sequel to the original in the first place but the studio demanded it. They even said they would've made with or without his involvement so hey agreed to participate. Strange how the same thing happened with rob zombies Halloween 2 but it was terrible.
I love Halloween II (1981). The intro with the Gothic organ theme music and the pumpkin opening to reveal a skeletal face is the best intro ever to a horror film.
The scene where Michael is in the alley way trying not to be seen, has got to be one of my favorite scenes in all of cinema. I don’t know what it is about that long scene but it gets me every time
The opening of Halloween 2 is great, the first 5 minutes of him walking around the neighborhood, stealing the knife and killing the chick on the phone is great.
Bear 7453 I love how they sorta paid homage to that scene in the 2018 version too, when Michael was walking thru the neighborhood and ends up in the house and stabs that lady thru her head. All that shit was great! I loved the neon colors too cause it added a real modern touch to the film. That shit was a perfect scene. It made the movie for me!!
Just goes to show John's brilliance when he was young. Even though he wrote Halloween II as a half hearted attempt and a 6 pack of beers, was it? It was still golden. He may never had created Michael Myers with the intent of franchise monument but that's what his brilliance created. He can knock Halloween II all he wants but that movie is a compendium to the original beginning, middle and end. Complete classic that's never been surpassed.
Basically he wanted to go the anthology direction straight away but the studio insisted on Myers. He eventually agreed to it and to write it since he and Debra Hill didn't make much money from Halloween but he had no ideas.
I thought season of the witch was hands down the best sequel and should of been the second. Basically the anthology route that they originally intended. Michael just wasn't interesting enough to keep around for 10+ sequels imo. He's no Freddy.
@@80sHolic7 I can't lie I love the Halloween films, even the bad ones like Resurrection I still get a kick out of.. that being said, I always wished they went the anthology route, maybe Carpenter even returning to do a different HALLOWEEN movie without Michael Myers, something original. I think they could have had Michael Myers pop up, or have an easter egg in each film here, and there, showing him on the news, like a shared universe like Trick R Treat where there's all these unique monsters in this Halloween world.
Never watched it. But I don't hate it. I just dont like that its a completely different story besides Michael Myers in it on that TV show. But it just doesn't fit in with Halloween Michael Myers.
@@Rorschach97 Criminally underrated. Halloween 3 is my favorite Halloween after 1. Idc for 2, 4, 5, h20, and resurrection but Halloween 1, 3, and 6 will always be my favorites.
Halloween 3 was creepy. I loved it. Morons won't give it a chance being Michael was undeniably dead in part 2. Carpenter said part 2 with Myers wasn't even supposed to happen, but 2 is my favorite of all 3 being it was my introduction to Halloween at 6 yrs old. Scared the ever living Sh*t out of me, especially my Mom working in a hospital
@@johnhareiel5118 Oh I gave H3 a chance and it was horrendous to me. Interesting story that isn’t developed well enough and terrible unlikeable characters. Has nothing to do with whether Michael was in it or not. What they were trying to do with the series by making in an anthology series was a great idea. Problem is they tried to kickstart that with a terribly executed film.
@@johnhareiel5118 Yeah it’s creepy. I guess it just depends on how much creepiness people like in horror movies. For me it went overboard. Thanks for replying. Always nice to hear different opinions.
He didn't want to make another Michael Myers movie he was pressured into writing Halloween II and he had no intention of Michael and Laurie being siblings he admitted he put that there cause he was drunk and was struggling with Writers block
@@jameswilliams-zr8co I didn't find it scary at all. I found it boring. The first film was scary because Michael was just walking chaos. The sequels ruined that. They constantly made Michael less and less scary with things like Laurie is his sister or Jamie is his Niece. Or in the Rob Zombie remake where they say oh he was abused by his family and he was bullied at school and that's why he's a murderous psychopath. Michael Myers is supposed to be Pure Evil and have no motive he's the boogeyman. I Hated most of the Halloween Sequels Except Season of the Witch which is the only sequel i liked. I only love the First Halloween from 1978. Cause that is a classic and when i watch that i am experiencing that and that alone
Halloween 2 is great, yea it has more gore and is more of the stereotypical “slasher” but it still holds up. Halloween 2 looks, feels, and sounds exactly like the original and you can watch H1 and H2 back to back and it’ll feel like ONE film.
Well sure, minus FAT, GINGER Michael Myers who looks and acts nothing like in the original. And then also shoehorning some "motive" for Michael's killings (which makes it less scary) by making Michael Laurie's brother (a poor attempt at a Star Wars level family drama twist) then yeah it feels like one film.
Halloween II dare I say I liked it a tiny bit more than the 1st movie although Halloween from 1978 is still an excellent movie. Both Halloween 78 & Halloween II are slower paced movies but are great.
Halloween 2 way better than Halloween 2018 and it's sequels. Don't making Myers and Laurie siblings don't automatically make your movie the greatest Halloween sequel of all time.
We must remember that despite his criticism here of Halloween II and the director Rick Rosenthal whom John hand picked himself, Rick had no choice but to direct the script given to him written by John Carpenter himself. Rosenthal wanted it to be like the first film in tone and style with less gore, Carpenter purposely wrote the film with more gore to please the market place at the time. He has admitted that his writing of Halloween II was not his best work. Now imagine if they had gone ahead with his original idea of setting the sequel a few years down the line with Laurie in a high rise apartment? But then maybe it’d would’ve been too similar to Carpenters little known earlier movie Someone’s Watching Me set in a high rise. Oh the benefit of hindsight.
ourworlds atwar...you’re welcome. There is no more detail regarding plot or story ideas other than the information that this was considered by Carpenter and Debra Hill. However it IS documented and if you google it there is some discussion online somewhere about it.
Just a correction, I think the high rise idea was Yablan's. In an issue of Fangoria Debra Hill shot down the "years later/high rise” idea, basically saying it was not their concept for the sequel and pretty much called it idiotic. So I don't think it was Carpenter's. The whole H2 issue put a big strain on whatever relationship there was between Yablans and Hill/Carpenter; in fact, Yablans was banned from the H2 set and I believe it was the last Halloween movie he had any connection to.
@@brandonhendrix7223 I wasnt aware of this information. I would like to learn more as this concept has always fascinated as a sequel idea. In fact today I'm expecting the arrival of Taking Shape II..Lost Halloween Sequels. Hopefully there might be some more insight in there.
@@spandexraygun5325 I gleamed this info from old issues of Fangoria. They used to have a thing called Monster Notes or something like that that would be horror genre news, usually just a paragraph or so on each story. In one issue they do indeed say they will be a sequel to Halloween and will take place some years later and involve Michael stalking Laurie in a Chicago high rise. Well, a few issues later Debra Hill said that wasn't their idea (that it might be Yablans idea is just my assumption) and said it was a stupid idea as Michael wouldn't be able to survive for years without any social skills (one of my issues with H20 funny enough). And that was about all I've ever read of that idea. If Taking Shape 2 sheds any more light on it or has more info let me know as I'm curious myself (who's idea it actually was, etc).
The Problem with Halloween II (1981) is the twist they revealed at the last scene of the movie Laurie and Michael Myers are Brother and Sister! To me that turns down the Horror of the movie.
Honestly, Halloween1 is a classic and was my favorite horror film for years but it's actually pretty boring until the last 45 minutes of the movie. After watching Halloween2 more and more it's definitely become my favorite! The continuation from part 1 is phenomenal i think. There's alot more that happens in h2. Definitely the best horror sequel I've ever watched
@Jarred Knox yeah i get the whole stalking through out the movie to build it up for the end. Like i said, nothing happens until the last 45 min of the movie lol I'm not saying part 2 is better i just think more things happen with more detail! In the first movie, you have no clue why he's chasing laurie other than just a a psychopath escaping from a mental institution/hospital. I feel like Halloween 2 is more entertaining all through out the film a lot more than h1
@Jarred Knox-Neyhart-May all stuff until the last 30 minutes is almost flaccid. It takes a very slow build up and you basically already this guy who randomly pops up here and there would make a bloodbath, but until then nothing really happens and all teenager characters are bland and boring.
@Nick Xero yes, because i am not snobbish viewer who wants to find deeper layers that isn't there. Characters are blanks, Michael is a force of nature that exists only to kill and the world is his playground. End of story. Stop trying to intelectualize a movie doesn't even try to rise from simplicity.
@@mannyjay2206 He has no motive in the original because he's pure evil. A force of nature. That's the entire point. The brother and sister thing just ruins it
John Carpenter Is the reason Halloween II played out the way it did. Rosenthal wanted to make H2 feel like the 1978 original and when Carpenter go ahold of the film towards the end of production, he made all the gory changes to the movie and added a bunch of scenes in that were pointless like the first murder. The only scene that Carpenter added that was great was the security guard exploring the storeroom. That has the trademark Carpenter style of suspense to it.
@@joeibarra4134 from what I understand, it was one of two murders he added and directed,the other being Alice at the beginning. He also reshot a lot of the close ups and death scenes with more blood and gore apparent as he felt the original cut of the movie was like watching an episode of Quincy M.E. Which was a medical drama at the time.
@@gameroftheyear1000 I know he directed that one, just wasn’t sure if he did other ones. Honestly, I like Halloween II more than the original sometimes. II moves faster, the score is better even though it’s mostly the same with more synth. No doubt the original is the better film though.
I still enjoy a lot about Halloween II (1981), because it still has solid performances and great atmosphere. However, I think the idea of adding more explanations to Michael Myers, and then the twist really bring it down.
I thought the twist was good, but it really should have been a done deal after 1981. Halloween 3 to me wasn’t so bad like everyone says it was, it was different and the anthology aspect would have been great to have seen unfolded more.
I agree, along with all the other sequels (except for H3 since it was not connected) The sequels were not needed. I sometimes imagine if Halloween was just like Black Christmas. A one and done thing how much better it would be.
maybe if John Carpenter and Debra Hill would of went with they're original story idea for Halloween II with having it take place a few years after the first movie but have it take place in 1981 since that's when Halloween II was released and making it about Michael Myers tracking down Laurie Strode in her new home in a high-rise apartment building and not have Laurie Strode be Michael Myers sister which they should of done maybe John Carpenter would of loved Halloween II.
I personally prefer Psycho II over Psycho. It's such a terrific character study, and Anthony Perkins is unbelievably good in it. Also think it's a much scarier film than Hitchcock's. The grisly murders and explicit gore is also a plus for me.
I think Rosenthal did an excellent job with H2. If anything, the added gore scenes that Carpenter shot detracted from the great atmosphere that actually felt like the first movie. Some of the TV scenes were great (and should have been left in the final cut) and the music was awesome, with Alan Howarth bringing in layered synthesizers to augment Carpenter’s original score to give it a modern feel. Carpenter here was speaking only a few years later. Some movies need to be evaluated years down the line. A lot of films that were so-so at the time they were released look a lot better 20 or more years later.
I think the weakest part of the film is the characterization and performance of the hospital employees. Maybe Carpenter’s dialogue wasn’t quite as sharp without the contributions of Deborah Hill (or he just didn’t care as much), and the actors (who were classmates of Rick Rosenthal I believe) weren’t likable enough. I think some of the kills (particularly the early kitchen scene and the eyeball scene) are very atmospheric and well done. I appreciate the gore personally but can also understand where you’re coming from!
@@plisskenetic The gore scenes were added to bring it in line with other slasher films that had been flooding the market between 1978 and 1981. Carpenter did say the original cut of H2 wasn’t scary, but I think some of the kills were overdone, and didn’t at all line up with how Myers killed in the first film. Nonetheless, they did what they did and the movie is one of my favorites.
I disagree with John carpenter I think Halloween 2 is excellent I really love that film i think it’s a true sequel to the first Halloween and it feels exactly like the 1978 film also without Halloween 2 we would have not gotten everyone’s favorite Halloween movies
Halloween 2 is a nice follow up... didnt make as much money as the original, but it still holds up 💯 Halloween 3 was okay because it was different ans they were trying to so away with Michael Myers but fans at that time wouldnt let hin die unfortunately...
I enjoy Halloween 2 more than original Halloween because it feels more like Halloween night. Halloween 78 looks like it was filmed in California during early Spring (which it was) so it took away from the whole Fall/Halloween look unfortunately. Plus the dialogue is atrocious in Halloween 78. Still a great flick tho
halloween 2 is just as good if not better than first ....just look at comments here ....futhermore ....halloween has one audio commertary ....part 2 has 3 AUDIO COMMTARIES ....because people love part 2 and want to know more than the first....put that in ya pipe and smoke it john,s ego
I remember loving the trailers for Halloween 2 & then finally watching that brilliant opening with the new synthesizer score & skull emerging from inside the Jack O Lantern. The film was just bleh after that. Got tired of hearing Loomis endless speeches of why Myers is a monster. Sheriff Bracket was a jerk before finding out Annie was dead. The hospital staff were just all morons. The kills weren't even inventive. The State trooper was a buffoon. My head hurts now
What John doesn't say here is that HE had to go back, reshoot scenes after the original director was finished, add scares, and gore. He had to save Part 2 from disaster. Rick Rosenthal was the director of part 2 (and Resurrection), and he shit the bed.
John carpenter probably was trying to make his own sequel to his own movie and cause he hated the second one so he probably doesn't count halloween 2 so halloween 4 is probably the sequel to halloween 1 but it's just called halloween 4
@@jeanniehodges9424 Back then it was a different time, he compares Halloween II to the movies he did back then, back then nearly every movie he worked on was either great or a masterpiece (imp). Back then he directed Assault on Precinct 13, Halloween, The Fog, Escape from New York, The Thing, Christine, Starman and produced Halloween III: Season of the Witch which are in comparsion to Halloween II far better (imp). Now to your real question: "why does he like Halloween (2018)...that is soooo nuts...money money money...bla bla bla", well the answer is quite easy to solve: when he worked on Halloween II, he was the writer, producer and the composer. But when he worked on Halloween (2018) he was only the EXECUTIVE producer and the composer. I also have questions to you: -Where is the source of him saying that? -Did you knew that if it's true that John Carpenter likes Halloween (2018) more than Halloween II it's still Carpenters own opinion, and not yours? -Do you even have a little knowlegde of cinema?
Halloween 3 love!!!!! I don’t care for the franchise. But Halloween is a film I watch every year…Halloween 3 is cult classic, the score for that movie which John is excellent as well. H2 has the kills but it’s pretty boring
I respect John carpenter but Halloween 2 is not as good as the first but that's a high standard but it is a good movie much better sequel than the recent films and Halloween 3 it just not good as a halloween film but as a solo horror movie it's good we've all came up with ideas for halloween 2 but the hospital the twist I'm sorry but it's one of my favourite horror films just watched it yesterday and still hold up
I think it's hilarious that he trashed Halloween II but praised Halloween III when the latter has cardboard-cutout characters that are never fleshed out. The main character is a serial-spanking misogynist of a doctor who decides to become a detective all of a sudden, and he meets a trusty sidekick who, like him, has no fluidity to her personality. I don't remember many of the other "characters," and that really says a lot about the writing of that film. Keep in mind, I like Halloween III, but it's so much worse than Halloween II from a critical perspective.
It’s pretty fucked that he would trash Rick Rosenthal when all the things he hates about Halloween 2 were literally things he wrote in the script himself. Personally, Rick did an amazing job with Halloween 2. A perfect sequel to the original film of you ask me.
When the dude that created the original, characters, script, music, everything says Halloween 2 is a pos and everyone still goes "Well, it's a great movie". That's like someone painting another Mona Lisa and DaVinci says how much he hates it but everyone tells him otherwise. Dick Warlock even said he didn't really liked what Nick Castle did with Michael Myers which probably makes you the dumbest mofo on the planet. Halloween 2 sucks cause Carpenter said so, period.
Rosenthal did a phenomenal job with Halloween II. However, he did an absolutely horrendous job with Halloween Resurrection. He went from doing the best sequel to doing the absolute worst. Halloween III is also a solid flick, but Halloween II to me is the best sequel in the franchise
He calls HII "an abomination and a horrible movie" but he endorses (and worked on) Halloween Ends?!? So.... Rick Rosenthal didn't "have a feel for the material" but DGG does?!? The suspense/thriller/drama known as Halloween Ends has the right "feel"?????? Psh. What a joke.
@Jarred Knox What exactly did it botch? No it wasn't perfect, but neither is Halloween II. Far from it. I'm completely with Carpenter on this subject, Halloween II is not as good as it's made out to be.
@Jarred Knox Nah, I've had this conversation many times before, and I still stand by my opinion. I don't feel like taking the time to argue once again. Movie opinions are subjective. I like 2018, and don't like Halloween II. Your opinions aren't going to change that, so therefore, TL;DR
@Jarred Knox Plus you tried saying it didn't illuminate anything, one thing being Laurie's trauma. Straight up fucking wrong. That was a main focus. You either didn't watch the movie or are just ignoring certain things the movie DID succeed with. Honestly, I could make the same vague points with 2018 that you're making about Halloween II.
Halloween III is arguably the best sequel in the entire series. It’s original, atmospheric, the soundtrack by John Carpenter and Alan Howarth is incredible, the ending was taboo and dark, the cinematography was very good with rural Northern California and just very creepy overall. Anyone that calls it hot garbage is entitled to their opinion, but clearly doesn’t know a quality horror film if it bit them on the ass.
I agree with Carpenter. Part 2 is so ridiculously overrated AF. Everything in it was a step down even making Laurie a mute who's hardly in the movie doing literally nothing, Loomis acts like a cartoon maniac, the music felt lame like a midget, lame scares the worst being Myers popping up from bottom frame like on a trampoline & Myers didn't at all act or move like Castle one bit - hate tht u could see his eyes all the time, etc. Those that loved warlock clearly don't pay attention to details.
He's absolutely correct, Halloween II is garbage. Halloween III has an intriguing premise by Nigel Kneale, is superbly photographed & suspenseful with a great performance by Dan O'Herlihy, it's just the Tom Atkins parts which ruin it & given that he's in most of the film this presents a problem. Mind you I saw Halloween again lately & found it rather dull & plodding.
I agree with Carpenter. I didn't Halloween II at all. I didn't like the subplot of Michael and Laurie being siblings. Carpenter admitted he only wrote that cause he was struggling with writers block and was drunk. Halloween 1978 is a great horror one and done story that Should've never been a franchise ever
He was just jealous cos he didn't get to direct Halloween ll and plus it wasn't his film it was dino delaurentis it and he was pissed off about that. Halloween 2 is a great movie he just thinks every horror film came out after Halloween all imitated that film.
Yeah i watched it now and it fcking sucks. I mean its really really HORRIBLE. The original one was such a good movie i had expectations. People are dum im telling you. I cant figure how people love this movie.
For a script he was halfassing it sure turned out great. :)
I like the original Halloween 2 but I think his dislike was more due to fact he didn't originally want to make a sequel to the original in the first place but the studio demanded it. They even said they would've made with or without his involvement so hey agreed to participate. Strange how the same thing happened with rob zombies Halloween 2 but it was terrible.
Well... it turned out alright...
Halfass is putting it nicely, giving yourself cirrhosis to be able to finish the script is more accurate 😂
I always watch the first two back to back.
I love Halloween II (1981). The intro with the Gothic organ theme music and the pumpkin opening to reveal a skeletal face is the best intro ever to a horror film.
The scene where Michael is in the alley way trying not to be seen, has got to be one of my favorite scenes in all of cinema. I don’t know what it is about that long scene but it gets me every time
Yeah that and when he gets mrs elrods knife are my favorite parts of H2
And ironically John Carpenter THAT scene and kill on a three day shoot to do capture more footage to make the film better.
The opening of Halloween 2 is great, the first 5 minutes of him walking around the neighborhood, stealing the knife and killing the chick on the phone is great.
Bear 7453 I love how they sorta paid homage to that scene in the 2018 version too, when Michael was walking thru the neighborhood and ends up in the house and stabs that lady thru her head. All that shit was great! I loved the neon colors too cause it added a real modern touch to the film. That shit was a perfect scene. It made the movie for me!!
Dr St that scene is very solid, starting with the homeage to H2 when Michael bumps into the guy with the jukebox heading towards haddonfield memorial!
Just goes to show John's brilliance when he was young. Even though he wrote Halloween II as a half hearted attempt and a 6 pack of beers, was it? It was still golden. He may never had created Michael Myers with the intent of franchise monument but that's what his brilliance created. He can knock Halloween II all he wants but that movie is a compendium to the original beginning, middle and end. Complete classic that's never been surpassed.
Facts
Basically he wanted to go the anthology direction straight away but the studio insisted on Myers. He eventually agreed to it and to write it since he and Debra Hill didn't make much money from Halloween but he had no ideas.
Ex-fucking-actly.
I thought season of the witch was hands down the best sequel and should of been the second. Basically the anthology route that they originally intended. Michael just wasn't interesting enough to keep around for 10+ sequels imo. He's no Freddy.
@@80sHolic7 I can't lie I love the Halloween films, even the bad ones like Resurrection I still get a kick out of.. that being said, I always wished they went the anthology route, maybe Carpenter even returning to do a different HALLOWEEN movie without Michael Myers, something original.
I think they could have had Michael Myers pop up, or have an easter egg in each film here, and there, showing him on the news, like a shared universe like Trick R Treat where there's all these unique monsters in this Halloween world.
I loved Halloween 3.
Never watched it. But I don't hate it. I just dont like that its a completely different story besides Michael Myers in it on that TV show. But it just doesn't fit in with Halloween Michael Myers.
@@truecrevid7750 If you’re never watched it, how do you know you don’t hate it? Lol
3 is underrated
@@Rorschach97 Criminally underrated. Halloween 3 is my favorite Halloween after 1. Idc for 2, 4, 5, h20, and resurrection but Halloween 1, 3, and 6 will always be my favorites.
Lol... Halloween 3 was was beyond terrible. I think he got them backwards.
Everytime I'm in a hospital I think of the Michael Myers movie. It scared me to even wanna spend the night at a hospital
1. Halloween II 10/10
2. Halloween 10/10
3. Halloween III 10/10
But that's just me
1 h2 10/10
2 h1 5/10
3 h3 3/10
Halloween 3 was creepy. I loved it. Morons won't give it a chance being Michael was undeniably dead in part 2. Carpenter said part 2 with Myers wasn't even supposed to happen, but 2 is my favorite of all 3 being it was my introduction to Halloween at 6 yrs old. Scared the ever living Sh*t out of me, especially my Mom working in a hospital
@@johnhareiel5118 Oh I gave H3 a chance and it was horrendous to me. Interesting story that isn’t developed well enough and terrible unlikeable characters. Has nothing to do with whether Michael was in it or not. What they were trying to do with the series by making in an anthology series was a great idea. Problem is they tried to kickstart that with a terribly executed film.
@@-.-.11 ehhh, I can respect that. I thought the same thing about the execution. My thing was how creepy it was.
@@johnhareiel5118 Yeah it’s creepy. I guess it just depends on how much creepiness people like in horror movies. For me it went overboard. Thanks for replying. Always nice to hear different opinions.
I’m no one to say John Carpenter is wrong on “Halloween II,” but he’s wrong.
He didn't want to make another Michael Myers movie he was pressured into writing Halloween II and he had no intention of Michael and Laurie being siblings he admitted he put that there cause he was drunk and was struggling with Writers block
halloween 2 is just as scary as the original, made me scared to go to hospitals, still to this day..its a solid flick
@@jameswilliams-zr8co I didn't find it scary at all. I found it boring. The first film was scary because Michael was just walking chaos. The sequels ruined that. They constantly made Michael less and less scary with things like Laurie is his sister or Jamie is his Niece. Or in the Rob Zombie remake where they say oh he was abused by his family and he was bullied at school and that's why he's a murderous psychopath. Michael Myers is supposed to be Pure Evil and have no motive he's the boogeyman. I Hated most of the Halloween Sequels Except Season of the Witch which is the only sequel i liked. I only love the First Halloween from 1978. Cause that is a classic and when i watch that i am experiencing that and that alone
Nah he’s right
Halloween 2 is great, yea it has more gore and is more of the stereotypical “slasher” but it still holds up. Halloween 2 looks, feels, and sounds exactly like the original and you can watch H1 and H2 back to back and it’ll feel like ONE film.
Well sure, minus FAT, GINGER Michael Myers who looks and acts nothing like in the original. And then also shoehorning some "motive" for Michael's killings (which makes it less scary) by making Michael Laurie's brother (a poor attempt at a Star Wars level family drama twist) then yeah it feels like one film.
but nobody asked or cared about what you said , we are here because we want to hear what john carpenter has to say
Maybe he would had developed more myers person in the second film than doing the same movie
2 is nowhere near as good as 1
@@Courier_333 totally
Halloween II dare I say I liked it a tiny bit more than the 1st movie although Halloween from 1978 is still an excellent movie. Both Halloween 78 & Halloween II are slower paced movies but are great.
Halloween 2 way better than Halloween 2018 and it's sequels. Don't making Myers and Laurie siblings don't automatically make your movie the greatest Halloween sequel of all time.
Halloween 3 is a great film in its own right.
We must remember that despite his criticism here of Halloween II and the director Rick Rosenthal whom John hand picked himself, Rick had no choice but to direct the script given to him written by John Carpenter himself. Rosenthal wanted it to be like the first film in tone and style with less gore, Carpenter purposely wrote the film with more gore to please the market place at the time. He has admitted that his writing of Halloween II was not his best work. Now imagine if they had gone ahead with his original idea of setting the sequel a few years down the line with Laurie in a high rise apartment? But then maybe it’d would’ve been too similar to Carpenters little known earlier movie Someone’s Watching Me set in a high rise. Oh the benefit of hindsight.
ourworlds atwar...you’re welcome. There is no more detail regarding plot or story ideas other than the information that this was considered by Carpenter and Debra Hill. However it IS documented and if you google it there is some discussion online somewhere about it.
It still would have only been a slasher of average quality because it wouldn't have had a leading character half as entertaining as Conal Cochrane.
Just a correction, I think the high rise idea was Yablan's. In an issue of Fangoria Debra Hill shot down the "years later/high rise” idea, basically saying it was not their concept for the sequel and pretty much called it idiotic. So I don't think it was Carpenter's. The whole H2 issue put a big strain on whatever relationship there was between Yablans and Hill/Carpenter; in fact, Yablans was banned from the H2 set and I believe it was the last Halloween movie he had any connection to.
@@brandonhendrix7223 I wasnt aware of this information. I would like to learn more as this concept has always fascinated as a sequel idea. In fact today I'm expecting the arrival of Taking Shape II..Lost Halloween Sequels. Hopefully there might be some more insight in there.
@@spandexraygun5325 I gleamed this info from old issues of Fangoria. They used to have a thing called Monster Notes or something like that that would be horror genre news, usually just a paragraph or so on each story. In one issue they do indeed say they will be a sequel to Halloween and will take place some years later and involve Michael stalking Laurie in a Chicago high rise. Well, a few issues later Debra Hill said that wasn't their idea (that it might be Yablans idea is just my assumption) and said it was a stupid idea as Michael wouldn't be able to survive for years without any social skills (one of my issues with H20 funny enough). And that was about all I've ever read of that idea.
If Taking Shape 2 sheds any more light on it or has more info let me know as I'm curious myself (who's idea it actually was, etc).
Have always loved the music score of Halloween II more, as opposed to that of Halloween. It's just so eerie and old school horror sounding.
I agree Halloween 1978 was a one and done in my book anyway and Halloween 3 was awesome
The Problem with Halloween II (1981) is the twist they revealed at the last scene of the movie Laurie and Michael Myers are Brother and Sister! To me that turns down the Horror of the movie.
@Jarred Knox Yeah, but those flashbacks are hard to ignore ... I love Halloween 2--don't get me wrong--but man the flashbacks downright suck.
Halloween 2 is a great film. 40 years old this year.
Honestly, Halloween1 is a classic and was my favorite horror film for years but it's actually pretty boring until the last 45 minutes of the movie. After watching Halloween2 more and more it's definitely become my favorite! The continuation from part 1 is phenomenal i think. There's alot more that happens in h2. Definitely the best horror sequel I've ever watched
I don't agree that H2 is better than the original, but it really is a good movie. Definitely one of the best sequels of all horror.
@Jarred Knox yeah i get the whole stalking through out the movie to build it up for the end. Like i said, nothing happens until the last 45 min of the movie lol I'm not saying part 2 is better i just think more things happen with more detail! In the first movie, you have no clue why he's chasing laurie other than just a a psychopath escaping from a mental institution/hospital. I feel like Halloween 2 is more entertaining all through out the film a lot more than h1
@Jarred Knox-Neyhart-May all stuff until the last 30 minutes is almost flaccid. It takes a very slow build up and you basically already this guy who randomly pops up here and there would make a bloodbath, but until then nothing really happens and all teenager characters are bland and boring.
@Nick Xero yes, because i am not snobbish viewer who wants to find deeper layers that isn't there. Characters are blanks, Michael is a force of nature that exists only to kill and the world is his playground. End of story. Stop trying to intelectualize a movie doesn't even try to rise from simplicity.
@@mannyjay2206 He has no motive in the original because he's pure evil. A force of nature. That's the entire point. The brother and sister thing just ruins it
John Carpenter Is the reason Halloween II played out the way it did. Rosenthal wanted to make H2 feel like the 1978 original and when Carpenter go ahold of the film towards the end of production, he made all the gory changes to the movie and added a bunch of scenes in that were pointless like the first murder. The only scene that Carpenter added that was great was the security guard exploring the storeroom. That has the trademark Carpenter style of suspense to it.
Did John direct that scene or just add it?
@@joeibarra4134 from what I understand, it was one of two murders he added and directed,the other being Alice at the beginning. He also reshot a lot of the close ups and death scenes with more blood and gore apparent as he felt the original cut of the movie was like watching an episode of Quincy M.E. Which was a medical drama at the time.
@@gameroftheyear1000 I know he directed that one, just wasn’t sure if he did other ones. Honestly, I like Halloween II more than the original sometimes. II moves faster, the score is better even though it’s mostly the same with more synth. No doubt the original is the better film though.
Happy Birthday to John Carpenter!
I still enjoy a lot about Halloween II (1981), because it still has solid performances and great atmosphere. However, I think the idea of adding more explanations to Michael Myers, and then the twist really bring it down.
I thought the twist was good, but it really should have been a done deal after 1981. Halloween 3 to me wasn’t so bad like everyone says it was, it was different and the anthology aspect would have been great to have seen unfolded more.
I still think the sequel is as good as the original.
That’s what John Carpenter says. He dislike on Halloween 2 because it was worth it so I watch Halloween 2 1981 but it was good horror movie
But I do agree that making Laurie Strode the sister was a mistake
It's funny because the guy who directed Halloween 2 would later go on to direct Halloween: Resurrection.
From the best sequel, to the worst sequel lol
I agree, along with all the other sequels (except for H3 since it was not connected) The sequels were not needed. I sometimes imagine if Halloween was just like Black Christmas. A one and done thing how much better it would be.
maybe if John Carpenter and Debra Hill would of went with they're original story idea for Halloween II with having it take place a few years after the first movie but have it take place in 1981 since that's when Halloween II was released and making it about Michael Myers tracking down Laurie Strode in her new home in a high-rise apartment building and not have Laurie Strode be Michael Myers sister which they should of done maybe John Carpenter would of loved Halloween II.
I still love the ORIGINAL plot because that is what I know. 😢
Rob Zombie completely shit on it
I honestly liked Halloween 2 better than the first Halloween.
I agree with him on Halloween 3 being great but disagree on Halloween 2 being bad but to each their own
Psycho, Jaws and Halloween are all stand-alone masterpieces with perfect endings. Forget the sequels.
I personally prefer Psycho II over Psycho. It's such a terrific character study, and Anthony Perkins is unbelievably good in it. Also think it's a much scarier film than Hitchcock's. The grisly murders and explicit gore is also a plus for me.
Jaws yes, the other two were good follow ups.
Cmon the psycho sequels are underrated
Yeah Psycho II is very good.
I think Rosenthal did an excellent job with H2. If anything, the added gore scenes that Carpenter shot detracted from the great atmosphere that actually felt like the first movie. Some of the TV scenes were great (and should have been left in the final cut) and the music was awesome, with Alan Howarth bringing in layered synthesizers to augment Carpenter’s original score to give it a modern feel. Carpenter here was speaking only a few years later. Some movies need to be evaluated years down the line. A lot of films that were so-so at the time they were released look a lot better 20 or more years later.
I think the weakest part of the film is the characterization and performance of the hospital employees. Maybe Carpenter’s dialogue wasn’t quite as sharp without the contributions of Deborah Hill (or he just didn’t care as much), and the actors (who were classmates of Rick Rosenthal I believe) weren’t likable enough. I think some of the kills (particularly the early kitchen scene and the eyeball scene) are very atmospheric and well done. I appreciate the gore personally but can also understand where you’re coming from!
The gore scenes were added coz things weren't scary AT ALL bruh
@@plisskenetic The gore scenes were added to bring it in line with other slasher films that had been flooding the market between 1978 and 1981. Carpenter did say the original cut of H2 wasn’t scary, but I think some of the kills were overdone, and didn’t at all line up with how Myers killed in the first film. Nonetheless, they did what they did and the movie is one of my favorites.
Halloween 2 was good in my opinion
Preferred it to Halloween 1.
Director Rick Rosenthal did go on to direct some good movies outside the horror genre. Bad Boys with Sean Penn , & an abuse film Called Radio Flyer
It’s funny how much the whole creator of Halloween hates Halloween 2, but it’s one of my favorites
Haha looks like Venkeman ran out o guests for World of the Psychic really fast.
😄 underrated post and well done. I see what you did there.
I love Halloween II and III.
I love Halloween II
I liked it a lot
I disagree with John carpenter I think Halloween 2 is excellent I really love that film i think it’s a true sequel to the first Halloween and it feels exactly like the 1978 film also without Halloween 2 we would have not gotten everyone’s favorite Halloween movies
John Carpenter 👍🤗
Halloween 2
Halloween 4
Halloween 3
Halloween 2 is a nice follow up... didnt make as much money as the original, but it still holds up 💯
Halloween 3 was okay because it was different ans they were trying to so away with Michael Myers but fans at that time wouldnt let hin die unfortunately...
I prefer 2 to 1 its more entertaining 1 over does its role as a slow burn
I like Halloween 2 its one of my favorite sequels
I enjoy Halloween 2 more than original Halloween because it feels more like Halloween night. Halloween 78 looks like it was filmed in California during early Spring (which it was) so it took away from the whole Fall/Halloween look unfortunately. Plus the dialogue is atrocious in Halloween 78. Still a great flick tho
A rare occasion I have heard John talk about Halloween III.
Halloween 2 should have stuck to its original title, Mikey and Laurie have fun at the Hospital.
halloween 2 is just as good if not better than first ....just look at comments here ....futhermore ....halloween has one audio commertary ....part 2 has 3 AUDIO COMMTARIES ....because people love part 2 and want to know more than the first....put that in ya pipe and smoke it john,s ego
I don't think it's an abomination, I think where it fails is more in the script than in the execution. and Halloween 3 I'm with Carpenter
I remember loving the trailers for Halloween 2 & then finally watching that brilliant opening with the new synthesizer score & skull emerging from inside the Jack O Lantern. The film was just bleh after that. Got tired of hearing Loomis endless speeches of why Myers is a monster. Sheriff Bracket was a jerk before finding out Annie was dead. The hospital staff were just all morons. The kills weren't even inventive. The State trooper was a buffoon. My head hurts now
Halloween 2 is a better film than Halloween, love them both, but part 2 was just better...3 was good too.
Halloween II is the best one out of them all 🤷 hate to disagree with the man himself
I like Halloween ll, regardless what Carpenter says about it, I think it's the best sequel, 3 was pretty good.
He’s trashing a masterpiece. I think Halloween II was scarier then the first one.
What John doesn't say here is that HE had to go back, reshoot scenes after the original director was finished, add scares, and gore. He had to save Part 2 from disaster. Rick Rosenthal was the director of part 2 (and Resurrection), and he shit the bed.
John Carpenter: Halloween 2 is a horrible movie..
Creates Halloween 4 still having Lommis and Michael after that fire of Halloween 2.
John carpenter probably was trying to make his own sequel to his own movie and cause he hated the second one so he probably doesn't count halloween 2 so halloween 4 is probably the sequel to halloween 1 but it's just called halloween 4
John Carpenter had nothing to do with Halloween 4 at all him and Debra Hill sold there rights to Akkad
He didn’t write 4
I agree with him, I think H2 is pretty rough in retrospect.
How was this man uninterested in a sequel when he left the doors open for one?
He trashed Halloween ii which is arguably as good as the first, but loves the 2018 movie?
Yeah that’s nuts
Money money money
@@Hunter87788 yet he loves the 2018 one?
Ok.....
@@jeanniehodges9424 Back then it was a different time, he compares Halloween II to the movies he did back then, back then nearly every movie he worked on was either great or a masterpiece (imp). Back then he directed Assault on Precinct 13, Halloween, The Fog, Escape from New York, The Thing, Christine, Starman and produced Halloween III: Season of the Witch which are in comparsion to Halloween II far better (imp).
Now to your real question: "why does he like Halloween (2018)...that is soooo nuts...money money money...bla bla bla", well the answer is quite easy to solve:
when he worked on Halloween II, he was the writer, producer and the composer. But when he worked on Halloween (2018) he was only the EXECUTIVE producer and the composer.
I also have questions to you:
-Where is the source of him saying that?
-Did you knew that if it's true that John Carpenter likes Halloween (2018) more than Halloween II it's still Carpenters own opinion, and not yours?
-Do you even have a little knowlegde of cinema?
@spukman69 - I've never seen anyone delete comments (after being proven wrong) quite so fast. Nice work!!
Halloween 1 was perfect Halloween 2 was good
you know considering how many people hate the laurie is his sister thing i expected more people to agree with him here
Jokes on him. I like Halloween 2 better than the first
I don't think he cares
I think a lot of people feel the same, halloween 2 is my personal favorite but the original is better.
Joe Kinchicken I agree 110%!
He made plenty of money from it, so he’s laughing all the way to the bank.
Me too!!!
Halloween 3 love!!!!! I don’t care for the franchise. But Halloween is a film I watch every year…Halloween 3 is cult classic, the score for that movie which John is excellent as well. H2 has the kills but it’s pretty boring
John was spitting here ngl
Halloween 2 IS better than Ends John...
WAY better.
@@chrisb8655End was a horrible finish
I respect John carpenter but Halloween 2 is not as good as the first but that's a high standard but it is a good movie much better sequel than the recent films and Halloween 3 it just not good as a halloween film but as a solo horror movie it's good we've all came up with ideas for halloween 2 but the hospital the twist I'm sorry but it's one of my favourite horror films just watched it yesterday and still hold up
Original Halloween is the best, Halloween 2 is an average movie
But that’s just an average opinion
They didn't have a feel for Halloween Ends apparently. That movie is a dog turd.
Halloween 2 is shit. The first is objectively better.
I think it's hilarious that he trashed Halloween II but praised Halloween III when the latter has cardboard-cutout characters that are never fleshed out. The main character is a serial-spanking misogynist of a doctor who decides to become a detective all of a sudden, and he meets a trusty sidekick who, like him, has no fluidity to her personality. I don't remember many of the other "characters," and that really says a lot about the writing of that film.
Keep in mind, I like Halloween III, but it's so much worse than Halloween II from a critical perspective.
Halloween 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Halloween 2018
Halloween ll (1981)
It’s pretty fucked that he would trash Rick Rosenthal when all the things he hates about Halloween 2 were literally things he wrote in the script himself. Personally, Rick did an amazing job with Halloween 2. A perfect sequel to the original film of you ask me.
Carpenter re-shot and added several scenes to clean up Rosenthal's direction.
@@pumpkinking5174 He added scenes for more gore.... he didn't "clean up" anything.
H2 is garbage.
1.) Halloween (1978)
2.) Halloween (2018)
3.) Halloween 2 (1981)
4.) Halloween 4 : The Return Of Michael Myers
5.) The rest.
Agreed! Gonna be interesting to see where they will go with the next ones.
@@BackyardPix probably a bunch of unnecessary shit scenes and unnecessary comic relief unfortunately
Halloween 2018 does not belong up there in my opinion it lacks the atmosphere from the older halloween movies like the original, H2 and H4
Halloween III >>>> Halloween II
bs.
Halloween II was more terrifying than the orignal imo. They are my top 2 favorites of the entire franchise.
When the dude that created the original, characters, script, music, everything says Halloween 2 is a pos and everyone still goes "Well, it's a great movie". That's like someone painting another Mona Lisa and DaVinci says how much he hates it but everyone tells him otherwise. Dick Warlock even said he didn't really liked what Nick Castle did with Michael Myers which probably makes you the dumbest mofo on the planet. Halloween 2 sucks cause Carpenter said so, period.
I agree with him here, I love H3 and not so much H2.
H2 81 is a classic one of the greatest sequals of all time in my view that one movieis greater than the garbage current trilogy combined.
Agreed
Halloween II is very overrated.
No it’s not.
Not really. In fact it’s pretty underrated
@@gregorbegger9291 your right
2018 is the overrated one
That hospital was too dark and empty...
HALLOWEEN 2 was set in the hospital. The atmosphere just wasn't scary but I will admit the nurses were all hot!
Rosenthal did a phenomenal job with Halloween II. However, he did an absolutely horrendous job with Halloween Resurrection. He went from doing the best sequel to doing the absolute worst. Halloween III is also a solid flick, but Halloween II to me is the best sequel in the franchise
He calls HII "an abomination and a horrible movie" but he endorses (and worked on) Halloween Ends?!? So.... Rick Rosenthal didn't "have a feel for the material" but DGG does?!? The suspense/thriller/drama known as Halloween Ends has the right "feel"?????? Psh. What a joke.
I never liked Halloween II much. 2018 is a much better direct sequel imo.
@Jarred Knox What exactly did it botch? No it wasn't perfect, but neither is Halloween II. Far from it. I'm completely with Carpenter on this subject, Halloween II is not as good as it's made out to be.
@Jarred Knox Tl;dr
@Jarred Knox Nah, I've had this conversation many times before, and I still stand by my opinion. I don't feel like taking the time to argue once again.
Movie opinions are subjective. I like 2018, and don't like Halloween II. Your opinions aren't going to change that, so therefore, TL;DR
@Jarred Knox Plus you tried saying it didn't illuminate anything, one thing being Laurie's trauma. Straight up fucking wrong. That was a main focus. You either didn't watch the movie or are just ignoring certain things the movie DID succeed with.
Honestly, I could make the same vague points with 2018 that you're making about Halloween II.
Halloween 3 is hot garbage.
Halloween III is arguably the best sequel in the entire series. It’s original, atmospheric, the soundtrack by John Carpenter and Alan Howarth is incredible, the ending was taboo and dark, the cinematography was very good with rural Northern California and just very creepy overall.
Anyone that calls it hot garbage is entitled to their opinion, but clearly doesn’t know a quality horror film if it bit them on the ass.
1. John Carpenter's Halloween
2. Halloween III: Season of the Witch
3. Halloween 2018
4. The rest
Get that 2018 shit outta here
I agree with Carpenter. Part 2 is so ridiculously overrated AF. Everything in it was a step down even making Laurie a mute who's hardly in the movie doing literally nothing, Loomis acts like a cartoon maniac, the music felt lame like a midget, lame scares the worst being Myers popping up from bottom frame like on a trampoline & Myers didn't at all act or move like Castle one bit - hate tht u could see his eyes all the time, etc. Those that loved warlock clearly don't pay attention to details.
What makes you think that? I'm very attentive to details, and I like Dick Warlock, but I don't like Nick Castle at all.
He likes Halloween 3? That movie was a disaster.
Yeah, it definitely wasn’t a disaster. In fact, it’s probably the best sequel.
@@hollywoodmkx I don’t know about that, mate. It was far out from the rest and I’ll give it that much credit.
He's absolutely correct, Halloween II is garbage. Halloween III has an intriguing premise by Nigel Kneale, is superbly photographed & suspenseful with a great performance by Dan O'Herlihy, it's just the Tom Atkins parts which ruin it & given that he's in most of the film this presents a problem.
Mind you I saw Halloween again lately & found it rather dull & plodding.
I agree with Carpenter. I didn't Halloween II at all. I didn't like the subplot of Michael and Laurie being siblings. Carpenter admitted he only wrote that cause he was struggling with writers block and was drunk. Halloween 1978 is a great horror one and done story that Should've never been a franchise ever
He was just jealous cos he didn't get to direct Halloween ll and plus it wasn't his film it was dino delaurentis it and he was pissed off about that. Halloween 2 is a great movie he just thinks every horror film came out after Halloween all imitated that film.
007 Beck Carpenter never wanted to do the sequel in the first place
@@theshape5542 too bad for him.
Halloween 4 is the fan favorite and he's mad
sgillman16 trust me he isn’t mad lol u sound dumb
@@theshape5542 oh I didn't know you asked him yourself. You just hear voices. Ok.
lol you think he wouldn't have directed it, if he wanted to?
H2 is awful I cannot believe it's so popular.
Yeah i watched it now and it fcking sucks. I mean its really really HORRIBLE. The original one was such a good movie i had expectations. People are dum im telling you. I cant figure how people love this movie.
Halloween 2 fckin sucks. I didnt watched the rest. Maybe will look at the 3rd one. As john says it is a good movie.
Halloween 3 rules.
@@korvo3427 I'll check it out some time hopefully doesnt suck like the second.
@@Nichwar19 No it's great.
Halloween 2 was awful! It was the beginning that destroyed the franchise
That was Halloween 5.