Comparing ride cymbals - what fits your sound?
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- Опубліковано 30 тра 2024
- With more options available, picking a ride cymbal can be overwhelming. If you're an educator, fellow drummer, or someone who is purchasing equipment for a drummer, this video will help you hear various ride cymbals to determine what sound fits your/their needs! From 18" to 24", dry to washy, bright to dark, you'll hear 11 different ride cymbals to get you started.
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Time Stamps:
00:00 - Intro
1:36 - Cymbal rundown
4:36 - Uptown groove
4:50 - Vintage A groove
5:01 - 20” Kerope groove
5:11 - Avedis groove
5:22 - Sweet groove
5:32 - Articulation groove
5:43 - 22 Kerope light groove
5:54 - 22 Kerope heavy groove
6:04 - Mega doom groove
6:15 - Classic orchestral groove
6:25 - K light groove
6:39 - 18” Uptown
6:59 - 20” Vintage A
7:22 - 20” Kerope 1934g
7:48 - 21” Avedis 2226g
8:16 - 21” A Sweet
8:41 - 21” Articulation
9:08 - 22” Kerope 2182g
9:36 - 22” Kerope 2438g
10:00 - 22” Mega Doom
10:30 - 24” Classic Orchestral
11:02 - 24” K Light
Comparing ride cymbals - what fits your sound?
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Great video. These all serve their purpose, but the 21' Avedis is just a perfect cymbal. I love that whole line.
It's a great cymbal for sure. Decent stick definition, nice wash that doesn't get carried away, and somewhat articulate bell.
I’ve been playing drums professionally for over 25 years and I still love videos like this. My two main rides are a 20” K Con medium thin low and an IAK 20” K heavy ride. I also have an 18” K Custom session ride, a 20” 60s A ride, a 21” K sweet, and a 21” K crash ride brilliant. I feel like all my bases are covered there. As of late my set up has been the K Con ride with 60s A hats, 18” K Con crash and a 19” Kerope.
That's quite the run you got going there - and a solid combo of cymbals! What has you gravitating towards the darker ride/crashes, and brighter hats?
@@NickCostaMusic my hats are actually pretty mellow. They are super dirty. Med heavy bottom hat with a fairly light top. They are darker than any K hats I have played. My other main set of hats is a mix match 14” kerope top with a k custom special dry bottom. They are not quite as mellow as my As; definitely dryer and for lack of a better term more hollow sounding. On the other end of the spectrum I have K sweet hats and Ufip bionic hats that are pretty bright.
Nice job! Loved hearing all the different models. For years I wanted a tight, dry ride just for riding (no crashing allowed), and that was my 20" K Custom for over 20 years. Then when I started playing different types of music, I got interested in washy rides that I could crash, but I was having a hard time finding a crash with good stick definition and a good bell that also made a pleasing, not gongy crash sound. Bought a Sabian 22" Omni and never looked back.
That 24” concept shop orchestral ride is just what you need. Amazing stick and bell definition, and crashable! Those Omni rides are pretty dope too
I appreciate this in-depth video. I especially appreciate the different weights comparison built in. TY!
Glad it was helpful @DrummerRIP ! Pretty crazy how the same cymbal at different weights can have some significant changes in sound. Which cymbal did you like the most?
Your video further proved my appreciation of thinner lighter - bigger cymbals. I'm humbled & grateful in my years of percussion to view this as a science & an art. Always growing & experimenting. Thanks again Nick!@@NickCostaMusic
@drummerRIP totally get it! I use to want nothing but bright, heavy cymbals. Oh how my ears have changed. Thank you for the kind words, the sub, and the conversation!
I’m taking notes. Love your videos!
Glad you like them, appreciate the support and kind words! What ride did you like the most?
My 2 favourites are the 22 karope and the 24 k light@@NickCostaMusic
Both great cymbals. Decent stick definition, but a good amount of wash
Not talked about a lot but I bought a 21 AAX Freq ride a few years back and it’s so versatile and really fits everything I want in a ride. Nice wash and ping, crashes well and the bell is outstanding
Oh nice! Sounds like you found the ride that fits your sound. What style(s) do you primarily play with it?
@@NickCostaMusic I’m in 2 bands at the moment, one country the other 90s rock. It sounds great in both settings to me
@larshoneytoast1987 oh nice!
Im a guy that only have 21’ a sweet ride but i had a super duper good deal with paiste signature series with a 20’ heavy ride that thing starting get a place on my heart
The 21" A Sweet ride was my first professional ride cymbal, can be crashed or used as a ride. The Paiste sounds like a great alternative if you needed something heavier.
My favorite cymbals on their own, played with your rock technique, are the 18 Uptown ride, the 20 vintage A (which looked more 50s to me), and the 24 classic. But I suspect for your context, the 21 sweet ride would cut better through the bass/snare. I'd also be curious what sticks you're using. 7As, played lightly, close to the edge, will give a very different sound than 5Bs played up the bow. Played with a thumb-on-top jazz ride technique (less arm extension, too), I suspect I'd like the Keropes a bit more. I have one (22”) at 2350 grams that I love.
Very thoughtful input! The 24 classic cuts more than the 21a, simply due to the size, though both are great options if you need something that’s bright with decent cymbal and bell definition, while being able to crash it. I’m using Vic Firth F1s - they’re between a 5A and 5B in diameter. I have a larger hand, and this prevents over gripping like a smaller stick would.
My dream ride is the prototype zildjian sticatto ride. I currently have the hybrid k ride 20 inch. Love the cutting bell and versatility
It's a great sound for sure, though it's VERY dry. I feel I have to hit it harder since the decay is so fast
Nice collection you have there, Nick. From those, the two I dig the most are the K light and the A sweet. The Articulation and the Uptown are definitely not for me, but I get the use for it.
As for Zildjian rides I have a 23" K sweet, wich is my favourite one and I find so versatile. Very crashable but with a clean and cutting bell. Washy when played by the edge but more defined when played towards the center (not like a dryer cymbal, of course). I find it fits well with any rock setup but still can be used for softer stuff. Also a 22" K Custom Dark, versatile as well, dryer but not as much as a Special Dry or the Articulation, but also very crashable.
And also a 20" Paiste Sound Formula Reflector Full Ride, that has been with me since 1995 (got it used with my first kit), bright, thick, pingy, loud, cutting, with lots of sustain and virtually uncrashable (yet I crash it though), that goes really well when you need to really cut through loud distorted strings in a hard rock/metal setup, but can be a bit overwhelming for almost anything else if you're not careful.
Appreciate the kind words! Those 2 you picked are my 2 go-to rides as well. I've been looking to add a 23 K sweet, like you mentioned its characteristics make it sit nicely between the 24 k light and 21 a sweet. I'll have to check out the 22 k custom dark - that sounds like a great ride!
One of my colleagues loves paiste - we have a running joke on them being so shimmery we can hear them in photos!
@@NickCostaMusic you can't go wrong with either the K sweet or the K Custom Dark, both are awesome. I prefer them in 23" and 22" respectively, but in 21" and 20" are also great cymbals.
As for the Paiste, well, Paiste makes some dark cymbals as well, but this one is definitely not the case. Its name makes him justice "Reflector" and "Full", wich in my mind translates as bright as fuck and sutains like forever... This model was discontinued long ago but I think they still do an equivalent one in their Signature series, if I'm not wrong.
But coming back to Zildjian (I know you're a Zildjian guy), if you have the chance, absolutely check the K Sweet out, you won't regret. Your wallet maybe will, though...
Love the Paiste characteristics - they should make that the tagline🤣
my favorite rides are my 20 a custom medium and sabian 22 aa medium from 1982.Thinking about getting a 20 k custom dark ride which would go nicely with my k dark crashes.I like good open ping rides but not zildjian a ping ride,to heavy and dry sounding to my ears.Good job Nick!Thanks!!
That’s a great setup you got! I agree, the A pings are a bit too harsh to my ears. The k custom rides you mentioned would be a great alternative to what you have if you want similar characteristics, just with darker tones. A regular K ride would be a tad more washy, which could work if you wanted something different than what you have now.
I appreciate your input and for checking out the video! 🙏🏼 🥁
Thanks a lot for the interesting viseo. I'm looking for a large ride, with as a long a sustain as possible, and the most 'resembling' an orchestral tamtam/gong... Any recommendations? Thank you!
Looking forward to this. I love ride cymbals. My first ride cymbal i HATED. I didn't even want to play it. It was a B8 Pro 20" Medium. Then i got a Paiste 502 qhich other than the bell, i wasn't a fan. Then my daughter bought me a Ride for my birthday, which was an improvement, bit still wasn't what i wanted. It makes an awesome crash! But too washy and thin. Now i have a couple i really like. But i think i am going to do one of these ride shootouts too! I believe I have 7 or 8 I can use, plus a few crash rides.
I see there is an Omni in your mix. Love those! Did I see a China ride too??
First was a ZBT for me, then i saved up years later and got the sweet ride in this vid. No china here, but a crazy concept shop ride
Thanks for the comparison. I'm currently using 2 Sabian 18" AA rides, an extra heavy (main) & a flat bell in my practice room. My church has a 20" Paiste Signature ride which I feel is a bit too bright but is still very musical & nice to play. I'm currently looking for another used Paiste 2002 24" Heavy Ride to replace the one that died a slow death due to cracking. I'm open to other sounds, but I like something that's not too bright/glassy, with a bit of wash/dirt at higher volumes, a cutting bell, & is expressive with either sticks or mallets. Out of the cymbals featured, that 21" sweet ride would be my choice, but it seems a bit too high pitched & the bell seems a little too thin sounding through youtube/the headphones that I'm using.
Have you looked into the k sweet rides from @zildjiancompany ? They took the A sweet and used K alloy to get a tad darker tone. They’re available in both 21 and 23” - the 23” is my choice!
@@NickCostaMusic Thanks for the reply & suggestions. I will have to check these out.
You’re very welcome - happy to help! ✌🏼
I like the A sweet. Including a bright bell. What similar other cymbals should I look at?
It's a great, versatile ride - one of my go-to rides ! As for other cymbals, depends on your sound preference. If you want a bit darker, K dark thin or K paper thin crashes. If you want similar brightness and sustain, A medium thin crashes. If you want something a bit brighter and project, A custom. 18" & 19" in any series would do the trick!
I play agop 30th/sig or hhx evo although i do like the way kerope and diril mosaic sound. Also like byzance
Oh nice! Sounds like you like darker sounding cymbals with a bit more wash?
I have the Zildjian Kerope 22”. The stick definition is spectacular. Amazing for jazz and afro-cuban. A bit low in volume for rock though.
They’re great cymbals! Is yours a heavier weight?
@@NickCostaMusic I will check later today! I think the cymbal is on the lighter side, judging by your recording. I think the lighter version sounds more open and relaxed?! I would like to try the 14” Kerope hi-hats as well. Have you tested?
Yeah - the lighter weighted will have a bit less stick definition. I tried the 14 hats when they first came out, but I was a fan of the 15 k lights (I tried them back to back)
@@NickCostaMusic Were the lights better than Kerope to your mind? I’m playing Sabian Fusion Hats 14” and Paiste 2002 15” now and I need to try something different to mix it up.
My 2 go-to's are 14" fat hats or 15" K light. Before the fat hats, they were 14" A Custom mastersounds. The 15" K lights are crazy! Big, washy, and can work for both rock and small jazz groups.
I like the vintage A the most I also have a 21” sweet ride that was my allrounder. I have a Paiste masters series mellow ride now though and it sounds and feels unreal but yeah the A for me.
21” A sweet was my first pro ride, and is still my all-around ride like you. I haven’t heard that Paiste, is it that bright Paiste sound, or a bit darker?
@@NickCostaMusic Awesome it is a great ride and the Paiste is definitely way mellower a Zildjian with a but if that brighter Paiste sound on top. Very much a jazz ride although like my sweet ride I use it for fusion, funk, pop you know an all arounder! It compares to my Constantinople that got ran over by a car, ugh long story but still makes my stomach turn but it sounds and feels sweeter to me, my favorite ride I ever played.
Oh man, sorry to hear about the Constantinople - that sounds like a worst nightmare situation!
@@NickCostaMusic Yeah awful O got home and realized my trunk was what was making the clunking noise I heard so I went to close then realized oh no my soft case (of course the soft case not the hard case) slid off the top of my hard case. I back tracked and found it in the middle of a busy road although not at this time but still the were ran over. The ride still plays believe it or not it just sounds a bit more harsh and less pretty also a small crack and a triangle shaped small bend on the edge in one spot. My 15”:I assume old A hats that were the sweetest most perfect sounding hats were destroyed! I still use the sweet ride on my open jam nights it is shaped like a potato chip lol 😢 I was moving and never use soft case cymbal cases but it was cheap so to transport them I bought one and I had to put my jazz cymbals in that bag and not like my rock ride which could easily be replaced sound wise my con was an old out of production 22” light ride that sounded perfect to me! My Paiste signature series fast crash destroyed as well. One K crash came out sounding better somehow lol! I had a cloth hardware case and I believe a very small part of the handle must have caught the latch and it jarred loose after like 20 miles only a few away from my house that is when my trunk opened I could hear a clanking noise but couldn’t see back past my drums. I just thought it was hardware clanking.
So sorry to hear, that's a drag! I have all my gear insured just for this reason, and never had a problem with getting replacements. Couldn't recommend Music Pro Insurance more!
I liked the sweet ride as an overall choice. I would love the Articulation for jazz I think. That 18 was pretty cool too. I have 3 Zildjian rides and my favorite is the 20" Ping Ride, circa 70's I believe. I have an A Custom that just doesn't do it for me. I just can't put my finger on why that is. I think my next ride will be some sort of flat ride. However, I am willing to take any of the ones shown here off your hands, practically for free. 😂
You have a good collection! Sounds like you prefer a heavier ride with more stick and bell definition?
Love the sound of flat rides, and every time I get close to getting one I decide not to. They just lack volume due to not having a bell. Sound great when you’re right on top of it - can barely hear it past the kick drum 😂
If you like the articulation ride, check the k custom special dry rides out, or one of the larger k custom special dry crashes. They have a bit more wash in my opinion, and could sit nicer in a jazz setting - again in my option 😉
@@NickCostaMusic yes for rock, I prefer a heavierish with good definition. I hate rides that HUM! But I love good stick definition.
I know what you mean about how quiet the flat rides are. I actually have a Meinl Jungle Ride that is a stack cymbal. Without that 8" cymbal on top it's basically a flat ride. Kind of has a cool sound to it, but no volume. I guess flat rides are best mic'ed.
What you stated in the beginning is so true though. Hi Hats are important but you really can change and control the sound at some levels. The ride is gonna sound the way it does. Which is why I love ride cymbals so much. I also am of the school of thought that every cymbal is a ride cymbal. But a thin 16" crash isn't going to act like a heavy 22" ride! Better have some finesse lol.
22" rides are my favorite size BTW. But I WILL get a Bonham sized 24" ride some day. Maybe a Paiste, maybe not but I'm leaning that way.
And I have tried out the K Custom Special Dark Dry and they do sound sweet!
Not to try and send people to my channel, but I have a couple of shorts playing the Dream Dark Matter Moon Ride. I absolutely love that cymbal. I will get one sooner or later. Not crazy about the crashes from that line but what a great ride. And looks really cool.
All valid points! I always tell students if they don't like the sound of the cymbal, then that's not the right cymbal. There's another out there that will give them that sound, without the use of tape to mute it.
Only exception is if you want rivits - that's a different sound
@@NickCostaMusic as suggested by someone I heard, you should shop for cymbals with your eyes closed.
The real issue to someone with less experience, to me, is how a cymbal sounds to you on the kit, may not be how they sound to the audience. Especially when all the other instruments are playing at the same time. Like you said about flat rides... So many things really need to be considered. My favorite ride cymbal to play in my drum shed, playing with no music or just some jazz, is a very dry ride. It probably would not cut it, or sound good playing a cover of a Led Zeppelin song.
That's super valid! Maybe we should bring a friend along to play the cymbal and stand back from it?
Yes, a wonderful variety of cymbals, but that kick/snare bruvva!!! Dyamn.
The beauty of @ludwigdrumshq !
Love the a sweet ride 😍😍😍
I do too! My first pro ride cymbal, and still one of my go to rides
I need to get one
They’re pretty affordable for a pro ride, and even more affordable on the used market. Definitely a must have 👍🏼
Thanjs man but y the subtitel r on the nime of the symbals
Others have requested it to make it easier to skim the video
21 Avedis, for me
Such a great sound that's pretty unique IMO!
Don't like any of these surprisingly. But I need dryer and more ping!
Totally understand! I prefer more wash, which is probably why none really caught your ear. What ride do you currently use?
I don't have the ride that I would prefer right now, but I know it's preference for a lot of drummers to be able to have a ride that has wash and can crash. I get it! But to me, a ride should be for ping and a nice bell that is very articulate! If I want a washy sound I use a larger size and or heavier crash cymbal to get a nice consistent wash and have total control of the volume of the sound on how hard I work the crash? But that's me? Thanks for replying!!!!!
Totally understand @michaelbrown3128 , and that makes sense! Thanks for the comments and appreciate you checking out the vid
I bought a 23 inchZildjian with a stamp but no numbers, looks really old
Oh nice! What are the sound characteristics (bright, dark, dry, washy)?
From Zildjian I like the Organic ride
I’ll have to check that one out!
Are you looking for Perfect Ride cymbal?
I dunno if that exists 🤔
🙋🏻♂️ Medium stick definition, bright bell, and buttery crash = 20” Avedis & 21” A Sweet
They both do it well! A sweet has a bit more bell definition, in my opinion. Glad you found your sound, and I appreciate your input. Thanks for checking out the video! 🥁 🥁
I like mines but I wish it was a tad bit darker
Kerope light 22
It's a unique sound for sure. Did you prefer the lighter or heavier one?
that Vintage A sounds more like a medium crash than a ride lol
Super thin back then for sure!
Constantinople and k istanbul are good too
Love some constantinoples!
I heard Istanbul was Constantinople, but it's not my business
Pretty sure your vintage A is a 50’s, 70’s stamp is thinner/not as deep.
Woah! Everything I saw showed there's 4 dots inside the bottom row of script before the AVEDIS zildjian Co text. This one doesn't have that
@@NickCostaMusic dots were on the 60’s
Well that's good to know! And the block logo on the under-side came later than 60s, right?
@@NickCostaMusic yep! Block is 80’s, another 80’s give away is the CO after Zildjian is capital letters without the underline.
@@Colby_Earleywine Good to know - appreciate all the info!
I don’t care much for Zildijan. Tons of other cymbals sound much better and without that annoying low pitch hum.
Completely understand. What’s your preferred ride cymbal?
Impressive job ... 😳
Appreciate that, thank you @46dude41 ! Which ride was your favorite?