I'm a guitar player and not a drummer so I learned alot from this video. Now, I feel I can talk to my drummer in his language and Lord knows drummers have their own language.
Well, just as much as any other instrumentalists have their own language. I think what you're doing is great, bc a lot of guitarists don't really understand ANYTHING about drums/drummers beyond "they play the beat part". Just as much as some drummers get so lost in stickings, rudiments, different techniques etc. that they lose track of the actual music and their part in it. Though I have to say, you're really getting into fine details with this video. Many guitarists would benefit from just knowing the difference between a crash and a ride cymbal.
Honestly, a ride is so subjective in most scenarios. you can pretty much apply almost any type of ride cymbal in almost any musical application. I usually play with 2 rides on a kit, one with a crashable sound like a meinl sand ride and one with a dryer, more defined ping
I think the opposite is true. Ride cymbals are the cymbals with the most character. A super dry, pingy ride may be great for metal but shit for jazz. Likewise, a dark and complex and articulate jazz ride is very out of place in a pop/rock context. There are ride cymbals which are more versatile than others, but overall, ride choice usually depends heavily on the genre.
Life Of A Potato I haven’t played drums but from my music production knowledge would think the different cymbals are about avoiding frequency masking and accentuating other parts of a mix. I only recently realised how different kick drums do this for different genres.
@@Christopher-md7tf not really, for example a modern day rock band like catfish and the bottlemen mix between jazzy complex zildjian rides and a 21 a sweet but all the rides work really well for the music on each concert occasion. I suppose the consistency comes from the cymbals quality and the drummers style and technique.
A drummer who knows how to hit a cymbal/drum or kick a bass drum with the right technique and dynamics can make the median line(middle of road sound) percussion product work for any genre. The rest is all sales gimmicks$$$$$ and hype to rip off a person who owns a drumset, but doesn't know how to play it.
my fav is sweet ride good for anything got the 21 in best ride ive ever used and heard good crash ride too super good bell perfect for metal and other genres i play
I'm a rock drummer and I've been playing a Paiste 2002 22" ride for a decade now, and I'm still in love with it. I got it after I had heard Brad Wilk use it with Audioslave. It's got an amazing crash, but I also love the bell and the sound of every other part of the cymbal. I don't know if I'll get another ride cymbal ever again.
Yeah the 2002 rides are amazing. Not so big fan of the current 22" Classic one though. Seems a bit too heavy for me. I'm gonna get the 24" one. If i'm gonna go 2002, i'm gonna go big!
The demonstrated Jazz cymbal maybe for bop, hard bop, latin jazz etc, but if you're playing for a big big band you want to have/use a medium to medium heavy ride cuz it needs to cut through the music with a very defined bell and a very articulate bow.
I play progressive metal and I use a meinl jazz medium ride, meinl 22 inch sand ride, and the meinl polyphonic ride which is the most versatile ride I’ve ever played. But I usually don’t prefer bright pingy rock rides. Love the thin darker rides yet with crashability and a defined bell
I played one of those for over 20 years and loved it! When it finally died I switched to a 21" Armand ride and it's by far the best all around cymbal I've ever played.
Those Paiste 2002 Black Label Big Beats are my current favorite cymbals, possibly even my most favorite of all time. Are they crashable rides, or rideable crashes? Yes to both! I only wish they made a 14" hi-hat to go with them, as I find the 15" a little too low-pitched for my preference, thought they are still liveable. I want the 21" for my "ride", the 18" for my "crash", and a set of the 15" hats.
I disagree many times with this idea and reviews that tell us a 24” ride out projects a 22” or 20”. I find that the bigger the diameter the tone goes way to low and it’s harder to pull out sound when riding the top. Brighter sounds usually come from 20”-22” and brighter sounds cut more through louder music. So if you want to cut through go lower diameter and medium to med/heavy weight with lathing.
I’m using a 19” X-plosion crash HHX Brilliant as my ride! (And crash of course). Discovered it a couple of years ago on a rented kit; I was amazed to prefer it to a conventional size ride (different series) that was set up next to it!
I play heavy technical music, but over the years of trying to find a single ride to do the job, i've now moved to having a more washy jazz ride that has volume and a mega bell ride next to it LOL
I am a metal drummer and tend to go to cymbals with huge ear piercing bells. For example, I'm using a 21' Z Custom Zildjian Mega Bell. It cuts through everything, has great tones and can be used pretty versatilly.
That's odd to hear from a metal drummer. Ive always figured heavyrock/metal would likely use bigger cymbals but what im finding out from people on forums and from you and from checking metal drumming legends setups. A lot of em used medium rides like 20"-22". That's strangely shocking to me
im a metal drummer and i am madly in love with the one and only 21” Meinl Brilliant Serpents Heavy Hammered ride. i use nylon tips and i NEVER crash my ride. it’s so unbelievably loud and pronounced and the bell sounds absolutely sick
@@necrodamus5481 The bigger the ride the lower the tone and the less defined the sound. A smaller ride will be way easier to hear over distorted guitars.
X-plosion ride is probably more applicable to rock than metal. Giant beat is more classic rock than modern rock. But they’re both rock rides. Metal rides of note: Z Zildjian power series, Paiste Rude series, Sabian HH power bell, Sabian Metal-X series, Meinl Classics series... or honestly even a PST, ZBT, or B8 heavy ride would sound ok in the mix. It should literally be uncrashable and the bell should deafen you like a knife the the ear drum. Great video, I like the cymbals in it, and the playing. There’s just no real metal ride.
@@matthewhackett3429 it depends on your musical tasks, but mixing different alloy would be weird. Anyway a couple dark-dry-bright-etc cymbal in your set is normal
@@matthewhackett3429 You can do whatever u want to lol. If they sound good to you, then go for it! You may want to consider how loud they are (thin soft jazz ride probably won't fit that great with a heavy loud crash)
@@alesh_k Exactly. I have mixed Paiste and Sabian and other brands in the past. Now I have mostly Paiste Signature cymbals and a Paiste 2002 ride. OP: There are no rules here, dude. Well, some people will tell you that there are, but they're missing the point. Do what YOU want to do. That's the whole point of making music. If you want to mix and match, go for it. If you want to have everything from one single cymbal line, go for it. Experiment. Go wild. Life is short, man. You tend not to see famous drummers mixing cymbal companies, bc they are usually endorsed by one of them and cannot use other brands live. But in the studio, anything goes.
In my opinion the only one she chose that actually had drastically different characteristics was the AAX, granted it sounds horrible, but it was at least different. All of the others are pretty much dark and washy. Better for rock would have been something like a Paiste 2002 Ride, or standard Zildjian A Medium Ride, punk really isn't going to be much different than rock, and basically all the first 4 she chose could all work in jazz.
First ride sounded a little choked out. I'm actually surprised nothing from meinl was on this list, i use both a 22" symmetry ride and 24" big apple dark for all sorts of music and they are like nothing I've heard before.
I use a ride which none of you have ever heard of from a line called “5 star Super Zyn” which was made by premier in the 60s, I would highly recommend them and they’re analogous to the Zildjian sweet ride but 20” instead of 21 or 23
Jessica is awesome. I'm a guitar and synth guy who never missed a chance to sneak onto a drum kit. What's the best buy for some good shells and decent hardware?
I recoil at the sight of a Zildjian Sweet ride in a recording session. It completely disappears behind even moderately distorted guitars in the mix. There’s no choice but to spot mic it, and only a few very expensive microphones flatter a cymbal when close up on it. Whose got an extra Beyerdynamic ribbon microphone lying around that you wouldn’t rather be using on something else? Consider me soured on the Sweet ride.
it´s way easier than that. Visit your local music store, hit a cymbal, if you like it: buy it. If not, hit the next cymbal and so on... Trust your ears. If you play brutal death metal but like the jazz hihat go ahead and buy it. Nothing can stop your creativity and your way to find your own style if you trust yourself. Otherwise you´ll just be a copy of a copy of a copy
I think the ride cymbal as I came to regard it is dying - and you can see it on this very video. You could deduce that, given the amount of time spent discussing/demonstrating how well each of these models crashed, this characteristic has taken almost complete precedence to the stick sound itself. Might as well buy a big, heavy crash and just wail.
Carlos - True! Good observation! ...And, I'm not sure if this is a bad thing or a good thing... One easily could make the argument that while (broad) labels such as 'ride' and 'crash', are useful to the consumer, narrow specific labels like 'Dry Ride', 'Thin Ride', 'Pre-Aged Ride with a side of gravy' are arbitrary marketing tools that do little to describe the sonic character of any given cymbal, and that they are all just CYMBALS. When Paiste reintroduced their fabled Big Beat line a few years back, they did not assign these labels...they were 18, 20, 22, 24 Big Beat, and it was up to me what I choose to do with that cymbal. I've also noticed many drummers using 16, 17, 18 crash cymbals in pairs as hi hats...again, what's screen printed on the cymbal shouldn't matter. All The Best!!! Cheers!
Rick Delair - yes rick!...Giant Beat, rather than big beat. Thank You! I guess my point is (as your input seemed to confirm) that the things written on cymbals by their manufacturers (weather in red, blue, or brown ink) is arbitrary, and that all cymbals are in the end ‘multi-use’...
As a 20+ year drummer and audio engineer, a lot of what you said made no sense in relation to your ride choices. Jazz players prefer cymbals with more wash not articulation as the under/overtones fill the space for the music as jazz is commonly 3 to five piece groups. You're thinking more big band groups which is a sub genre of jazz. The sabian xplosion ride is more suited for punk as they specifically made the cymbal line to xplode like a crash while still having ride characteristics. The sabian AA rock ride or paiste signature reflector ride embodies the pinpoint articulation needed for metal or hard rock. The massive weight of these also allows the articulation to cut through the loud music but they compromise with very little crashability. Super dry rides are a marketing fad now a days thanks to meinl. Unless you're trying to create a white noise edm sound like jojo mayer or you prefer them like the prodigy Marco Minneman, they're fairly limited in their musical applications.
TheDayisMineTrebeck It’s nice that you know everything...except how to be polite. I think this very talented and articulate young woman did a fine job. And at least she has the guts, and talent to share with the world, HER KNOWLEDGE, and TALENT. And personally, as a drummer, I think your assessment of Applicable Ride Cymbals, with their respective Musical Genres, was 180° wrong. Maybe you should quit trying to impress the world less with your ‘credentials’ and ‘knowledge’, by your keyboard, and post your own video. Then provide the world with the evidence you have to back up your claims, of what cymbals and playing techniques are required of each type. Cmon Man, it’s rude to start out a comment stating your experience and certifications, then proceed to tell someone how wrong they are. Though I do agree, as I’m sure every skilled drummer would, that certain cymbals are manufactured with a certain genre in mind. But, if you’re truly a world class “20+ year drummer”, you’d have to agree that stroke technique and dynamics, have more to do with cymbal vocalization, then even manufacturing processes, and metallurgy. Not to mention personal preference.
The AAX 21" Explosion Ride is a piss poor example for a metal ride. It is far too passive sounding in comparison to better metal rides. It's great as a crash ride, but it generally has not enough body and ping to serve as a classic heavy metal ride.
I'm a guitar player and not a drummer so I learned alot from this video. Now, I feel I can talk to my drummer in his language and Lord knows drummers have their own language.
Hell yeah we do, lmao
Well, just as much as any other instrumentalists have their own language. I think what you're doing is great, bc a lot of guitarists don't really understand ANYTHING about drums/drummers beyond "they play the beat part". Just as much as some drummers get so lost in stickings, rudiments, different techniques etc. that they lose track of the actual music and their part in it.
Though I have to say, you're really getting into fine details with this video. Many guitarists would benefit from just knowing the difference between a crash and a ride cymbal.
😂😂😂
@@Christopher-md7tf VERY well said!
Hellyeah we do😂😂😂🤘😎🤘
The videos she does are just fantastic. Just top notch. The bees knees. The cats pajamas. The cats meow, even.
I agree.
:)
the cats meow, the horse neigh, the duck quack, and so on
Simp
I love how she spreads her ass on that throne too.
Why am I watching this? I don't even have ears
@Jess Vermont r/woosh
@@ChristopherSackett r/whoosh
I don't even exist and I watch every one of these
How do you keep your glasses up?
Jeremy Meyers how r u verified
i don't even play drums, but still watch every single one of these videos...
i was in the same position, then i started working in a music studio.
I play the drums and watch all the videos too
Solution: start playing the drums!
I hate these sort of comments.
@@rulax8608 at least you don't hate cock rings. Some people go on da innanet to complain about them too.
If I’ve learned anything from Indiana Jones, go for the blandest rustiest one
“A carpenter’s ride.”
Oh hai TABBY! I don't remember the specific other places I've seen you but I have seen you around quite a bit.
The bests rock rides of all time are Zildjian A Earth Ride and Z Mega Bell Ride... and Paiste Rude Ride
She's obviously super cool.
Honestly, a ride is so subjective in most scenarios. you can pretty much apply almost any type of ride cymbal in almost any musical application. I usually play with 2 rides on a kit, one with a crashable sound like a meinl sand ride and one with a dryer, more defined ping
yeah yeah we know it now cool
I think the opposite is true. Ride cymbals are the cymbals with the most character. A super dry, pingy ride may be great for metal but shit for jazz. Likewise, a dark and complex and articulate jazz ride is very out of place in a pop/rock context. There are ride cymbals which are more versatile than others, but overall, ride choice usually depends heavily on the genre.
Life Of A Potato I haven’t played drums but from my music production knowledge would think the different cymbals are about avoiding frequency masking and accentuating other parts of a mix. I only recently realised how different kick drums do this for different genres.
@@Christopher-md7tf not really, for example a modern day rock band like catfish and the bottlemen mix between jazzy complex zildjian rides and a 21 a sweet but all the rides work really well for the music on each concert occasion. I suppose the consistency comes from the cymbals quality and the drummers style and technique.
A drummer who knows how to hit a cymbal/drum or kick a bass drum with the right technique and dynamics can make the median line(middle of road sound) percussion product work for any genre. The rest is all sales gimmicks$$$$$ and hype to rip off a person who owns a drumset, but doesn't know how to play it.
my fav is sweet ride good for anything got the 21 in best ride ive ever used and heard good crash ride too super good bell perfect for metal and other genres i play
The Zildjian 21" Brilliant A Sweet Ride is even better for punk because you get more ping while still having that crashability and loud bell
Yeah I was thinking 23" is pretty damn big for fast-paced punk rock
I'm a rock drummer and I've been playing a Paiste 2002 22" ride for a decade now, and I'm still in love with it. I got it after I had heard Brad Wilk use it with Audioslave. It's got an amazing crash, but I also love the bell and the sound of every other part of the cymbal. I don't know if I'll get another ride cymbal ever again.
Yeah the 2002 rides are amazing. Not so big fan of the current 22" Classic one though. Seems a bit too heavy for me. I'm gonna get the 24" one. If i'm gonna go 2002, i'm gonna go big!
Paiste are the best hands down!!
Have also a Paiste 2002 22". And my "Baby" weighs 3206g =)
Really loved the Istanbul ride! Beautiful sound..The regular Zildjian 20/22" K ride is the most versatile in my opinion.
22” K Constantinople Medium Thin Low is my favorite
What a wicked jacket!! And great playing and information
The demonstrated Jazz cymbal maybe for bop, hard bop, latin jazz etc, but if you're playing for a big big band you want to have/use a medium to medium heavy ride cuz it needs to cut through the music with a very defined bell and a very articulate bow.
I play progressive metal and I use a meinl jazz medium ride, meinl 22 inch sand ride, and the meinl polyphonic ride which is the most versatile ride I’ve ever played. But I usually don’t prefer bright pingy rock rides. Love the thin darker rides yet with crashability and a defined bell
Its really crazy how different a fuckin’ slab of metal can sound.
K Custom Dark ride, 22”, and a K Hybrid Crash, 19” (often used as a ride).
honestly i think the best all-round rock ride out there is the zildjian a/k sweet ride
I love my 20" PST7 from Paiste, I really dig that K Ride really for any style
Really enjoying this series. Keep up the good work Jessica!
Just picked up a paiste 22in rude reign ride, greatest thing on my set
That lace track jacket is fucking FIERCE, queen
You're killing it with these videos!
This production is superb and above mainstream music production.
I use the Zildjian "A" 21-inch Rock Ride. Great sound for all types of rock music.
I played one of those for over 20 years and loved it! When it finally died I switched to a 21" Armand ride and it's by far the best all around cymbal I've ever played.
Those Paiste 2002 Black Label Big Beats are my current favorite cymbals, possibly even my most favorite of all time. Are they crashable rides, or rideable crashes? Yes to both! I only wish they made a 14" hi-hat to go with them, as I find the 15" a little too low-pitched for my preference, thought they are still liveable. I want the 21" for my "ride", the 18" for my "crash", and a set of the 15" hats.
Gemma Seymour 100% agree - have you tried 14” Giant Beat Hats?
23" is amazing, when i first played on it I literally knew I had to get it
These recent gear videos are so nice! Very helpful!
The Zildjian Planet Z Ride Cymbal has an obscene bell, really good cymbal for the price
Don’t even bother
This video implys most Punk drummers know anything about gear lol. Great video though and really interesting in hearing the tonal difference.
Bayley McNamee you really went for them there
As a punk drummer
I know quite a bit about equipment
Great generalization there buddy
Bayley be careful your trash opinions may get you in trouble.
im gay
I love my paiste dark energy 22" and paiste 22" powerslave signature ride and last but not least my 22" paiste 2002.
Paiste Twenty series are superb. At least my 20 ride is. Great Jazz ride 👌
"Ride" on! 👍🥁👍
Loving these videos, I'm going to put my extra 'Rona time to good use and watch all of them.
KEEP MAKING THESE
I disagree many times with this idea and reviews that tell us a 24” ride out projects a 22” or 20”. I find that the bigger the diameter the tone goes way to low and it’s harder to pull out sound when riding the top. Brighter sounds usually come from 20”-22” and brighter sounds cut more through louder music. So if you want to cut through go lower diameter and medium to med/heavy weight with lathing.
I found that perfect medium in a "weird" cymbal, the 20" K custom hybrid ride embodies just what you're talking about.
I’m using a 19” X-plosion crash HHX Brilliant as my ride! (And crash of course). Discovered it a couple of years ago on a rented kit; I was amazed to prefer it to a conventional size ride (different series) that was set up next to it!
Eventhough the Sweet ride has great crash ability I still find it to have a much more cutting bell than some other "rockier" rides, at least my 21"
I play heavy technical music, but over the years of trying to find a single ride to do the job, i've now moved to having a more washy jazz ride that has volume and a mega bell ride next to it LOL
If you want a sound like the Istanbul Agop just drill a bunch of holes in a cymbal or wait for it to crack.
What is it that you use/like?
I am a metal drummer and tend to go to cymbals with huge ear piercing bells. For example, I'm using a 21' Z Custom Zildjian Mega Bell. It cuts through everything, has great tones and can be used pretty versatilly.
That's odd to hear from a metal drummer. Ive always figured heavyrock/metal would likely use bigger cymbals but what im finding out from people on forums and from you and from checking metal drumming legends setups. A lot of em used medium rides like 20"-22". That's strangely shocking to me
im a metal drummer and i am madly in love with the one and only 21” Meinl Brilliant Serpents Heavy Hammered ride. i use nylon tips and i NEVER crash my ride. it’s so unbelievably loud and pronounced and the bell sounds absolutely sick
The bell is the best part of a ride and most them minimize their best attribute. Mega Bell gets it.
@@necrodamus5481 The bigger the ride the lower the tone and the less defined the sound. A smaller ride will be way easier to hear over distorted guitars.
@@ArkhBaegor I might go with a '21 then.
I like the AAX....really cuts through. More defined ride sound
Because of the influence of Dave Weckl,I’ve been using Sabian for quite a long time.But I still can’t resist Zildjian’s rides.
Dave Weckl started out with Zildjian. In fact, I think he helped design a specific ride: the K Pre-Aged Dry Light Ride (is.gd/5ms8dD)
I have new Zildjian S series "22 medium heavy rock ride. Man..when I hit this ride..ears fell off lol! Really BRUTAL!
sweet ride all day
Btw. Jazz cymbals work in every genre ;) love thay
X-plosion ride is probably more applicable to rock than metal. Giant beat is more classic rock than modern rock. But they’re both rock rides. Metal rides of note: Z Zildjian power series, Paiste Rude series, Sabian HH power bell, Sabian Metal-X series, Meinl Classics series... or honestly even a PST, ZBT, or B8 heavy ride would sound ok in the mix. It should literally be uncrashable and the bell should deafen you like a knife the the ear drum. Great video, I like the cymbals in it, and the playing. There’s just no real metal ride.
Can cymbals be mixed and matched? I love my 20” dark K Ride but a new beat style high hat. Please do a segment on high hats
matt g not brands necessarily but dark and bright although the brands do differ
@@matthewhackett3429 it depends on your musical tasks, but mixing different alloy would be weird. Anyway a couple dark-dry-bright-etc cymbal in your set is normal
@@matthewhackett3429 You can do whatever u want to lol. If they sound good to you, then go for it! You may want to consider how loud they are (thin soft jazz ride probably won't fit that great with a heavy loud crash)
@@alesh_k Exactly. I have mixed Paiste and Sabian and other brands in the past. Now I have mostly Paiste Signature cymbals and a Paiste 2002 ride.
OP: There are no rules here, dude. Well, some people will tell you that there are, but they're missing the point. Do what YOU want to do. That's the whole point of making music. If you want to mix and match, go for it. If you want to have everything from one single cymbal line, go for it. Experiment. Go wild. Life is short, man.
You tend not to see famous drummers mixing cymbal companies, bc they are usually endorsed by one of them and cannot use other brands live. But in the studio, anything goes.
Yeah definitely, the trap set is relatively new as far as music goes...and it all started and evolved by people mixing and matching different pieces.
Zilldjian K custom special dry ride - very specific cymbal with almost NO bell sound :D
Good as big dry dark crash)
Paiste - one love
I wanna know where those heavy rides come from that sound like someone’s taking a hammer to a metal wall.
Just a super fat bell or even some bands are known for using tuned percussion, so totally metal lol
In my opinion the only one she chose that actually had drastically different characteristics was the AAX, granted it sounds horrible, but it was at least different. All of the others are pretty much dark and washy. Better for rock would have been something like a Paiste 2002 Ride, or standard Zildjian A Medium Ride, punk really isn't going to be much different than rock, and basically all the first 4 she chose could all work in jazz.
Great drumming!! Thanks for the info!
I use 3 ride cymbals, a 22” Zildjian ZBT Ride, a 22” Sabian XSR Monarch Ride, and a 20” Zildjian A Custom Ride.
First ride sounded a little choked out. I'm actually surprised nothing from meinl was on this list, i use both a 22" symmetry ride and 24" big apple dark for all sorts of music and they are like nothing I've heard before.
incredibly controlled drummer
20" or 22" K Constantinople all day. Best ride cymbal ever.
cool video, you can see how the cymbal vibrates after she plays
I use a ride which none of you have ever heard of from a line called “5 star Super Zyn” which was made by premier in the 60s, I would highly recommend them and they’re analogous to the Zildjian sweet ride but 20” instead of 21 or 23
Thanks for the video
i needed this video so bad! thanks!!
I like whatever Michael Shrieve uses...
Can you do this video with crashes or hi hats next?
Jessica is awesome. I'm a guitar and synth guy who never missed a chance to sneak onto a drum kit. What's the best buy for some good shells and decent hardware?
Justin Driscoll Ludwig questlove break beats, inexpensive but it gets the job done right
I recoil at the sight of a Zildjian Sweet ride in a recording session. It completely disappears behind even moderately distorted guitars in the mix. There’s no choice but to spot mic it, and only a few very expensive microphones flatter a cymbal when close up on it. Whose got an extra Beyerdynamic ribbon microphone lying around that you wouldn’t rather be using on something else? Consider me soured on the Sweet ride.
it´s way easier than that. Visit your local music store, hit a cymbal, if you like it: buy it. If not, hit the next cymbal and so on...
Trust your ears. If you play brutal death metal but like the jazz hihat go ahead and buy it. Nothing can stop your creativity and your way to find your own style if you trust yourself. Otherwise you´ll just be a copy of a copy of a copy
when drummers playing punk drumming like Travis Barker (ME ALL THE TIME) and this ride cymbal always step in the game
Thank you!
Those Paiste's though...!!
Fantastic video 👌
So cool
Istanbul is the best!
As the T-cymbals
What do you suggest for pop? Not the really pop songs but in middle of classic rock n pop....beatles, bad company, stealy dan, goo goo dolls, cars etc
You are beautiful and talented!
Great demo! I need to get some better ride alternatives for the studio. Funne how the snare dropped in tune after the punk beats ;)
Great drummer. Could make pan lids sound good.
23 sweet ride is good for jazz, that basically my jazz ride.
Which ride cymbal would you recommend for indie rock?
I pick 2002s
OR you can buy a k zildjian 20 ride that is good for all genres of music (exept maybe metal)
advice some ride for techno pls
That Paiste is looking pretty dusty
the sabian sounds freakin sweet
Here I liked Istanbul Agop Special Edition Jazz Ride
Same here. Love it! Looks like it's been dried up with some tape underneath.
Sabian HHX Evolution Ride 20", a ride for all genres ;)
Meinl's dark cymbals are better than Zildjian dry for fusion imo
Tech Death Alien Grind Eat Flesh Nuke Matter is the genre. Do you have any preference for Splash/Chinese cymbals
I think the ride cymbal as I came to regard it is dying - and you can see it on this very video. You could deduce that, given the amount of time spent discussing/demonstrating how well each of these models crashed, this characteristic has taken almost complete precedence to the stick sound itself. Might as well buy a big, heavy crash and just wail.
Carlos - True! Good observation! ...And, I'm not sure if this is a bad thing or a good thing... One easily could make the argument that while (broad) labels such as 'ride' and 'crash', are useful to the consumer, narrow specific labels like 'Dry Ride', 'Thin Ride', 'Pre-Aged Ride with a side of gravy' are arbitrary marketing tools that do little to describe the sonic character of any given cymbal, and that they are all just CYMBALS. When Paiste reintroduced their fabled Big Beat line a few years back, they did not assign these labels...they were 18, 20, 22, 24 Big Beat, and it was up to me what I choose to do with that cymbal. I've also noticed many drummers using 16, 17, 18 crash cymbals in pairs as hi hats...again, what's screen printed on the cymbal shouldn't matter. All The Best!!! Cheers!
@@deaterk so very well put!
Carlos Anglada - Thanks! I just appreciate you taking it the way I meant it
& didn’t think I was trolling or starting an argument.
Rick Delair - yes rick!...Giant Beat, rather than big beat. Thank You!
I guess my point is (as your input seemed to confirm) that the things written on cymbals by their manufacturers (weather in red, blue, or brown ink) is arbitrary, and that all cymbals are in the end ‘multi-use’...
Rick Delair - right on Rick!!!
Just buy Zildjian K cymbals, and use them for whatever the hell you want.
Every time someone uses a ride as a crash, a puppy spontaneously combusts
Not only an amazing drummer & killer at explaining ea cymbal she's also gorgeous.
I'm just watching this because of my crush on Jessica
ZackRL same
I don't have a crash on her.. ba dum tss
I would say k custom sweet is the best for fusion like arron spears
The istanbul Ride sounding for me as crash that can be used as ride
How about the BLUES, you didn't cover that ?
Richard Torres jazz and blues have frequent parallels
As a 20+ year drummer and audio engineer, a lot of what you said made no sense in relation to your ride choices. Jazz players prefer cymbals with more wash not articulation as the under/overtones fill the space for the music as jazz is commonly 3 to five piece groups. You're thinking more big band groups which is a sub genre of jazz. The sabian xplosion ride is more suited for punk as they specifically made the cymbal line to xplode like a crash while still having ride characteristics. The sabian AA rock ride or paiste signature reflector ride embodies the pinpoint articulation needed for metal or hard rock. The massive weight of these also allows the articulation to cut through the loud music but they compromise with very little crashability. Super dry rides are a marketing fad now a days thanks to meinl. Unless you're trying to create a white noise edm sound like jojo mayer or you prefer them like the prodigy Marco Minneman, they're fairly limited in their musical applications.
TheDayisMineTrebeck It’s nice that you know everything...except how to be polite. I think this very talented and articulate young woman did a fine job. And at least she has the guts, and talent to share with the world, HER KNOWLEDGE, and TALENT. And personally, as a drummer, I think your assessment of Applicable Ride Cymbals, with their respective Musical Genres, was 180° wrong. Maybe you should quit trying to impress the world less with your ‘credentials’ and ‘knowledge’, by your keyboard, and post your own video. Then provide the world with the evidence you have to back up your claims, of what cymbals and playing techniques are required of each type. Cmon Man, it’s rude to start out a comment stating your experience and certifications, then proceed to tell someone how wrong they are. Though I do agree, as I’m sure every skilled drummer would, that certain cymbals are manufactured with a certain genre in mind. But, if you’re truly a world class “20+ year drummer”, you’d have to agree that stroke technique and dynamics, have more to do with cymbal vocalization, then even manufacturing processes, and metallurgy. Not to mention personal preference.
When Punk came up the worLD was like "awwww yeA with a capital 2nd A"
That K Custom is what Marco Minneman uses
Ugh! I absolutely hate that first ride, for some reason. It doesn't have much sustain. Very nice stick articulation, though.
The AAX 21" Explosion Ride is a piss poor example for a metal ride. It is far too passive sounding in comparison to better metal rides. It's great as a crash ride, but it generally has not enough body and ping to serve as a classic heavy metal ride.
It would be nice if they covered rnb and funk styles more.