Tom Holland's Spiderman Is A Massive Disappointment
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- So now that Spider-Man No Way Home has been out for a while I thought I'd do a video talking about my disappointment about Tom Holland as the character
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Without the nostalgia the film wouldn’t had stand on its own
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@@emperorxero9626icl bro I completely agree with this video no wonder it popped up on my feed what were your thoughts on deadpool 3 I thought it was the first mcu film in years with any personality
When Aunt May looks hotter than MJ there's a clear problem😂
I definitely shouldn't be feeling that way about May lol 😂
@@emperorxero9626 zendayas an adult come down dude
Both women are hot what's your deal?
@@catspaw3092 he just saying it’s kinda dumb that Peter aunt is written for Pepe to hit on here isn’t the point of her character. Any cater can be hot I don’t have a problem with that is just don’t turn her into a milf
@@catspaw3092Zendaya is a wooden actress.
When I see MCU Peter, I don't see Peter, I see Tom Holland dressed as Spider-Man. He doesn't feel like a nerd nor a loner skater boy. He feels like a male super model acting. He doesn't feel naturally awkward.
Peters not a skater and he’s more natural then Toby that man’s stiff as a bored in every scene lmao
Peter was never a skater 😂 and you not watching the movies if you don’t think Peter is awkward. First scene that comes to mind is him asking Liz to hoco
@@jxrxmy9011 no but he is, even that was awkward. Personality wise he's like a little squirrel
@@JojoTheVulture im so lost I thought you said he isn’t awkward so I said he was
@@jxrxmy9011 okay like he's a fake awkward, artificial movie awkward
Spectacular Spider-Man is the best take on the character outside of the comics
I can agree to that
I say Sam Raimi Spiderman on film and 1994 Spider-Man on cartoon.
The funny thing about Uncle Ben is that they didn't have to show the death scene at all to drive in how important he was to Peter.
During his first conversation with Tony Stark, he very well could've offhandedly say that his uncle had told him those words before he died, and he also could've been mentioned in the other movies by Peter or May herself as well.
But no. All we get is a suitcase that has Ben's name on it that gets destroyed.
Your mad at the fact that they made a reference to uncle Ben. MCU peter doesn't't have an uncle Ben so that suitcase didn't really matter to him. It was meant to be just a reference. Nothing that would have an impact on the story
@Ben-uv1sy I'm not mad at the suitcase. I'm mad at their decision to veto his existence from Peter's story entirely, despite his extreme influence on Peter's development. The suitcase is more of a slap in the face over just saying he was never in the MCU because it implies he existed.
@@Ben-uv1sy
Bruh, Uncle Ben is the whole reason why Spider-Man IS Spider-Man. Of course he matters
@@Ben-uv1sy
You sayin' dumb shyt just Proves that You know jack squat about Spider-Man.
Andrew's Spider-Man and Williem Dafoe were what I enjoyed about the movie. Everything else I wasn't too fond of.
Tobey was pretty good too.
The 3 Spider-Mans talking and bonding with each other as if they are siblings, is honestly the only good thing about No Way Home alongside just all the Tobey and Andrew scenes
My biggest gripe with No Way Home is that some of the characters act completely out of whack.
Doc Ock abandoning everyone after being healed, Sandman attacked the Spider-Men for no reason, the awful tonal shift leading up to the dimensions collapsing, etc.
Yeah the tone is really all over the place. It makes the film feel incoherent
It felt really awkward seeing these characters speak the MCU dialogue.
@@Johnnysmithy24 to be frank the only i felt was fine with the MCU dialogue was Andrew.
But maybe that's because I've always wanted Andrew's Spider-Man to be in the MCU and this is the closest I got.
@@saltystick_99 Yeah I agree. Andrew would’ve been better for the MCU, he already had two films to develop him and he wouldn’t be dependent of Stark
Another big problem is that peter 1 in the movie didn't save any citizens or randoms that he himself didn't put in danger, a big thing about spiderman is helping and save people, and Tom Holland didn't really stop any small time crimes in any movie, maybe except home coming
The problem for me moving from FFH and NWH is that I don't understand JJ and the public's dislike for Spidey. What's stopping any of the surviving Avengers to come and say "leave this guy alone cuz he helped bring 50% of your missing asses back" or for Nick Fury to just give an anonymous tip to the authorities proving that Mysterio was actually the bad guy.
The fact that even a vague semblance of a background check into Mysterio would've revealed that he was just a disgruntled ex-Stark employee who was behind multiple well-documented public incidents should have been accounted for something
I've never liked Tom Hollands spiderman
The amazing spiderman and OG spiderman are way better
I agree 100% Holland showed promise in Civil War but everything else just fell flat for me
@@emperorxero9626Also the suits are wretched, except that Prototype Particle Civil War suit they were gonna use but decided to CGI it for some reason which looks ugly if we're being honest
Not putting in Uncle Ben sucks for MCU Spider-Man like imagine if Thor wasn't Odin's Son and he was just some guy who found a Infinity Stone and used a Hammer
Just another slap in Uncle Ben's face
Or like making Bruce Wayne a regular person who dad doesn’t exist and mom is a normie and he all of a sudden decides to find the unbreakable will to become the Batman
Smh
@@bean181 What's weird was that Peter's powers and heroism could've come from Stark industries and Peter trying to be like Iron Man.
You don't need uncle Ben
@@Ben-uv1sy , incorrect. uncle ben is the driving force with peter to do good, and be the friendly neighborhood spidey. spidey feels he messed up big time, and wants to make it up for ben, cause he feels it'a his fault that ben died.
This man really just dropped jewels on what I’ve been trying to explain to MCU normies about what’s wrong with this iteration of Spider-Man since homecoming that now I feel like I’m gonna cry, no one understands how alone I felt..
deeply submerged in a vast ocean of moronic idiots who couldn’t stand to see reason because they rather have the greatest comic book hero of all time be babied by their precious RDJ.
And it hurt. It hurt so much. To see how he was treated, to see how everyone spit on him-even in his own so called movies, I knew something was wrong when I teared up more in the guardian of the galaxy movies (films that are typically depicted as light hearted with comedy) then I had with any MCU Spider-Man flick. I just.. my heart.. I really really wanna have hope going forward into the forth movie but watts and feige broke me. One thing for sure is they need to recast the main three. Get rid of holland and take out Ned and Zendaya, if they don’t(which they won’t cause let’s face it) these movies will continue to be the same.
Believe man I get it. I know exactly where you're coming from. When I first heard that Spider-Man was going to be joining the Avengers. I thought Tobey Maguire was reprising his role as Spider-Man. I thought I was going to see an older, wiser, more mature version of the character. Because the first Spider-Man movie starring Tobey Maguire, was my introduction into marvel comics. The only comic book heroes I was into was Superman and Batman. That was because of Christopher Reeve's Superman and the 1989 Batman movie. I watched when I was a kid, there was also Batman the Animated Series in the early 90s. Then the Spider-Man movie comes out when I was in junior high. It blew my mind, suddenly Spider-Man is my number one favorite marvel hero. I wanted to know more, so I started reading the comics, even the old ones. Then I learned about other marvel characters like Wolverine, Daredevil, Iron Man, Captain America and so on. The X-Men, Avengers, Fantastic Four. Anyways, so there I was expecting to see Tobey Maguire back in the Spider-Man suit. I thought he'd be a little older than he was in the third movie, maybe married to Mary Jane, I thought maybe Peter Parker was going to working at Tony's company. Which makes sense, because that's how it happens in the comics. Imagine my reaction to the odd looking suit, and this little kid's voice. Coming from a character who's supposed to be a full grown man.
@@jamesroper4952They should have chosen Toby. That would have made everything better ngl. Instead of a iron boy kid that gets all his technology and EVEN HIS SUIT by Tony Stark and is a little sidekick and fanboy of the avengers.
@CrooosIdiot. Defending this MCU is just as delusional, and you can touch some grass if that is more helpful.
@@jamesroper4952 I mean...this Spider man is meant to be a teen not a full adult yet and his voice isn't a little kid's.
@@ophanimangel3143 It isn't delusional at all, and take your own advice.
Alright I haven’t finished the video yet, and this might just be because of a dark sense of humor, but when Aunt May got bodied I had to try not to laugh bro. I felt nothing for this adaptation of Aunt May. I feel like her being an older, sweet and particularly caring lady in the comics when she is killed off in different series makes it have actual weight.
Yeah that made me face palm in the theater
The first time I watch that movie I laughed out loud in the movie theater and I felt so bad for the people around me lmao
Agreed
Same here lol
I know right! Like dude she gets back up just to say Uncle Ben most famous quote and then just dies. I was like "Really? Just like that?" 😂
Aunt May went from being used a SEX JOKE in the first two movies, to all of sudden being wise in the 3rd movie???? Like it felt so out of character.
Someone who actually gets Spider-Man……I like this guy!
True Story, MCU dropped the ball with regards to Spidey. They made Hulk and Thor bitches and comedic relief and they completely shat over my favourite superhero, Spider-Man. MCU was over for me after end game, I just endured some of the movies leading up to Infinity War, because they were building up to Infinity war. Think MCU should have called time after end game just as Fast and Furious should have called time after Fast 7,🤷but what do I know?
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You validated every single reason as to why I'm disappointed with Tom Holland's Spider-Man (both the character & films)... *including* some points I never even considered, which really made me think. I'm glad that I'm not the only one who didn't care when May died either. Also, I hated how they turned her into a floozy: I was appalled at her and Happy's implied "casual" relationship. That was really inappropriate for her, but simultaneously a purposeful writing choice, to make May more modern and sxx-positive. And we all know what movement that caters to.
As for other characters. Ned is a bumbling idiot, with no character arc, and he still talks and behaves like a 12 year old. Yet he's on his way to college. It's weird. His constant habit of needing to be shut down by other characters, makes him unnecessarily pathetic for no reason. And there are times where I noticed that he and Peter do not have an equal amount of respect for one another.
MJ is (puzzlingly) a dry, snarky, and oddly tomboyish, depiction of "Mary Jane." She bares no resemblance to the OG Mary Jane at all. The snark--I'm just over MCU females being snarky! I don't understand the obsession with Zendaya either. Irrelevant, but it needed to be said.
So, let me get this straight: There's no traditional Peter Parker (no emotional Peter stuff, none of Spidey's cocky edge, and no brilliantly choreographed swinging/fighting scenes), no Uncle Ben, no Aunt May (unrecognisable,) no No Spider-bite, no Harry Osborne, No Mary Jane (unrecognisable) and no Flash Thomson (unrecognisable). So... you're right... _ARE_ these movies actually Spider-Man movies, if it's missing THIS many components that make a Spider-Man story a Spider-Man story? Even the Sinister Six was more like the sinister 2 and a half (Gobby and Doc-Ock). The other members were either mostly docile to Peter, or just weren't present. It's like the writers just wanna avoid making a fully authentic Spider-Man story. And tbh... I think it's three strikes for me too. This is not Spider-man.
Great video, man! It's getting repeat watches, as it was very thought provoking.
Also no uncle Ben. Unacceptable
The MCU's Michelle Jones isn't Mary Jane Watson, she's a different character created for the MCU, which both Feige and the actress made abundantly clear when she was introduced. And in general, no... we don't expect accurate portrayals of the comic book characters, because the MCU isn't depicting the mainstream comic book universe, it's a different reality with different history, different characters, different lore. Yes Ned is a hybrid character mostly based upon Ganke Lee. But the MCU was a hybrid universe ever since Phase 1.
Yeah, Flash Thompson is a major disappointment and he's depicted as more of a cyber bully instead of a jock. Just bad casting, imo.
@@neospock5034 Just because the MCU does things differently on purpose, that doesn't mean it's executed well. And no, I don't expect 1:1 portrayals from the comics, because the comics are an entirely different medium from the films. However, I do (and will continue to) expect a *reasonable* amount of consistency from the source material.
You said it yourself, Michelle Jones was created for the MCU, meaning she's an original character, who replaces a legacy character. And besides being called "MJ" and being Spider-Man's girlfriend, she has nothing in common with "Mary Jane" at all. This means Spidey's girlfriend in the MCU is unrecognisable, thus poorly adapted, making the legacy character they're based on, not present... just like Flash, May and Uncle Ben.
Like I said: Michelle Jones replacing Mary Jane, Aunt May being a floosie, Ned being a bumbling idiot with no growth over 3 movies, not showing the spider-bite, not including/barely referencing Uncle Ben...and most of the Sinister Six being, well... not "sinister" is too much. Too many characters and story elements are unrecognisable or straight up not present. That's a big problem. And I will not forgive poor adaptations of this many legacy characters and storylines, sorry. Not budging.
I repeat: Just because the MCU does things differently on purpose, that doesn't mean it's executed well.
That said, you have a good day, dude.
@@AwedecaiMusic that's the thing. I view the MCU as intentionally divergent from 616 lore and history rather than being a poor adaptation. We can't knock it for mssing the mark on comic book accuracy when that was never what it was aiming for. We CAN knock it for logical inconsistency and characterizations that don't work well.
I agree that simply being intentionally different doesn't mean everything was well executed- it wasn't. There are some problems and you've pointed out a few. The absence of Uncle Ben is a huge problem I agree. And the reaction of every male in the movie to Aunt May is laughably two dimensional. However I think the interactions between Peter and most of his classmates (other than Flash) work better than in the Raimi films. In general I think the Raimi films have a suspension of disbelief problem for the lead actors in their roles- they just can't pass for high school kids while the MCU actors can.
However we have to keep in mind the MCU was always a different take like Earth 1610 and Earth-X. It's a universe where Ultron was created by Stark and Banner instead of Pym, where Spider-Man wasn't one of the first heroes to appear but a kid who grew up idolizing the Avengers, where Cap, Widow and Hawkeye are original Avengers but Ant-Man and the Wasp aren't, where Iron' Man's identity was never a secret and Pepper Potts was never in love with Happy Hogan, where Thor is only 1500 years old and Asgardians have lifespans of 5000 years, Where Carol Danvers is the first earthling to adopt the name Captain Marvel instead of the seventh etc.
You make some good points, I just think we have to evaluate the MCU movies in the context of an alternate universe.
@@neospock5034 Sure, but that doesn't really excuse throwing out Mary Jane and replacing her with someone who just happens to use the same intials as a nickname. They seriously couldn't stick with Liz Allan as a love interest?
Everything that happened in Far From Home was all Tony's fault including leaving the EDITH glasses a weapon of mass destruction in the hands of a teenager rather than the Avengers his best friend or his own wife which is just very very out of character and kind of destroys Tony's character because he made another weapon after he swore never to make weapons ever again
Yeah that will never make sense to me
@Erik Kemeey Yeah, but he was meant as a peace keeping program, not a instrument of mass destruction.
@Erik Kemeey You get my point, Ultron was not meant to be Skynet.
@Erik Kemeey So what? Ultron's sentience went mad, which was something Stark didn't even think was possible. Simply saying " he still created Ultron" doesn't mean he took back his word.
Additionally, he’s also out of character for giving this to Peter of all people.
Why not give it to someone more qualified than a TEENAGER?
Edit: Oh wait, that point was already made. My bad lol
After watching no way home, I'm glad they finally took him back to what he's supposed to be at the end. I lost hope completely when he tried to save those villains. I was really pissed when aunt may died because that was just stupid!! The casting sucks big time!!!
You sound five years old
@@ericstorm6582 hello grandpa, shouldn't you be resting your eyes rn so you can read properly next time you try to go online?
@@ericstorm6582 yah
@@seige8621 The issue with No Way Home is that they take him back to what he's supposed to be at instead of doing something original like they did with Homecoming.
@@zaail3norsumidk Yeah, I agree. I personally liked this iteration of the character.
I'd rather watch the Ultimate Spiderman animated show than the Tom Holland Spidermans
Same
wtf?
I must admit that is preferrable
Mysterio was so wasted in my opinion having Mysterio be from another Universe would of been cooler and it would explain why he knew so much about Spider-Man and why he knew his plan would work have Mysterio use his Variant in this Universe as a decoy since they have the same dna and have Mysterio leave but he has to destroy a whole in the Universe which creates a Multiversal Rip boom then introduce Madam Web which explains why Spider-Man knows about these Villains
That is too smart. Although, it is possible that an alt. dimension Mysterio is involved in this, since he seems to have a surprising strong motive to destroy Peter's life.
Whenever I think of Spider-Man PERSONALLY I think of Andrew’s first because his version of Peter/ Spider-Man I connected with the most, an angry kid who’s angry because no one will tell him about his parents, I can somewhat relate to that bc I’m adopted and I never got any info on my birth parents but also the way Andrew says his quips they come out so naturally and I like HIS swinging scenes the best BUT on Tobey’s side I see a hero, someone who has a heroic stance and presence and he always felt like he knew exactly everyone he was doing as Spider-Man, when I think of Tom’s he’s not Spider-Man he’s straight up just Ironman Jr. and the ONLY thing I can say that NWH did right was putting Tom’s Peter on the right path to becoming comic accurate Spider-Man, but again NWH was ONLY the first step in the right direction for Tom’s Peter
I thought i was the guy who felt that way 🤣 this movie was a freaking Nostalgia bait. Story was utter trash. Sandman was like : well fuck I'm gonna fight for no reason
This film is going to age like The Last Jedi. People will love and defend it now but, in a few years, will start calling out the BS
@@emperorxero9626 people are already picking apart endgame after all the excitement went away
@@thethorn6012As they rightfully should
He doesn't become Spider-Man until the end of No Way Home, but everything before that, he was Iron-Boy Jr.
So basically we got Spider-Man for 15 seconds total in the MCU 😂
💀💀💀💀💀
@Erik Kemeey yes he was take out iron man in the McU and Spider-Man basically doesn’t exist
Aka how would Spider-Man be where he is without tony
Cope
@KingEgyptian
You mean "Iron-Man Jr.? ASnd I tried hard to not buy that, until I saw the climax of Far From Home...
Yes Peter Parker's a smart guy, and a science major. But he's not Tony Stark...
What me pissed me off more than how they portrayed spider man, was what did to aunt may.
I know right! Aunt May was a very motherly figure to Peter Parker. Someone he could go to for guidance and talk to about anything. Someone who was moral support for Peter and in the MCU she was just sex appeal 😒
As someone who grew up with the OG Spiderman movies it was really tough to watch this “modern” trilogy completely bastardize what makes Spiderman great. they literally took out the uncle ben death scene, you know the most important moment in the entire franchise that makes Spiderman who he is?! that was the final straw for me. Shit they didn’t even have the replacement for uncle ben die until the third movie lmao. This isn’t spider man at all its a complete mockery of Spiderman.
Lol I’m pretty sure the trilogy is the origin of this Spider-Man. Spider-Man doesn’t always have to have the same origin it can be slightly altered to be the same if not better than the predecessor
I'm surprised they didn't put Tony Stark into the Uncle Ben role and have Peter tell him.
"My Uncle Ben told me 'great power comes with great responsibility'.
or have Iron-Man give Peter his glasses before the end of endgame, "In my foolish, pathetic excuse of a life, I was afraid. I drunk out at the bars and spanked some women. Then, my gifts, my creations, my deals, destroyed millions of lives. It was only then I took responsibility, I became Iron Man. Your greatest hero."
@Spider-Kid-Art If you need three movies for an origin when the Raimo and Webb films did it in one, then I don't know what to tell you aside from this so-called origin being a massive failure
@@inferno3054 I was wrong this is NOT his origin I’m pretty sure uncle Ben already died before with the what if version of Peter bringing him up but this is a a new beginning for a Peter who has to face his problems that he hasn’t really had a problem in since in the comics his high school age didn’t really have much backlash “I’m pretty sure” in university though that’s a turning point and ending it with aunt mays death could very well set a darker stage in peters life where high school was a comedic sitcom with action his university age is where more drama and dark themes start coming in
"The Iron Lad with his Iron Dad!!!"
"Iron-Boy Jr and Iron Daddy!!!"
"Peter wants a DADDY, with Iron!"
Jesus Christ! Did you know there was a fanfic somewhat goes along the names I just listed. Jeez...
Seen it, sad part is the writing is better than the home trilogy (I know that's not saying much but still).
I have to agree everything in the homecoming Trilogy is basically Tony Stark's fault (minus the Multiverse opening up in no way home)
Before I continue watching, I haven't watched NWH myself, everything I know comes from discord folks not tagging their spoilers or youtube being youtube.
But I agree about the nostalgia. I love seeing Andrew and _especially_ Tobey. Andrew is someone I hoped would've been in the MCU and Tobey was a really *really* hopeful pipe dream for me, but I came to terms with Tobey not appearing.
Like, I dunno, the "My Back" joke felt forced but maybe in the movie there's an actual explanation, but from my perspective, it feels like it was there for the 'lol memes' and becomes a new reaction gif weeks later.
The 2 biggest missed opportunities in this movie are
1. Mysterio’s plot was never resolved. We don’t even know if he’s really dead or not (considering he’s a master of illusion, it’s highly possible that he faked his death) and all of his crew are still out there. But somehow, Peter, Stark Industries and Strange did nothing to put all of these guys in jail.
2. Speaking of jail, remember Michael Mando’s character of Scorpion in Homecoming? He asked Vulture about Spider-Man true identity to exact vengeance and what did he do when the identity was finally revealed as Peter Parker? Nothing. Scorpion did nothing with this precious information. If he’s the one who killed Aunt May, the plot would have been more coherent as a story of MCU Peter but nope, they had to throw all the set up with the Scorpion out to pave the way for the nostalgia villain like Green Goblin to do the job instead.
And like you said, Peter was written to be too dumb in this movie even though he should have learned his lesson after being hit with a Shinkansen.
I’m not gonna say much because Tom fanboys will just misrepresent everything I say. OK with that out of the way I’m going to begin. The Spider-Man Home Trilogy is an awful representation of Spider-Man and the Home Trilogy are bad movies. Why? Well there’s multiple reasons, but there’s way too many to go into here so I recommend people to watch SK videos and streams about Spider-Man.
Anyways there’s something else I want to mention and that is the world building of the snap. What is my issue? How come everything is back to normal after the snap? Half of the worlds population shouldn’t have any homes or money because those things would’ve been taken by the banks for multiple reasons.
Another thing is it’s very lucky that everyone that Spider-Man is close to was snap with him. Why is that lucky and a contrivance? The storytellers would actually have to make some real drama given that anything could’ve happen to the people who didn’t get snapped. Wait a minute what am I thinking? If Spider-Man’s friend got snap and there was actual drama that would’ve happened off screen seeing as the MCU just loves to avoid things like that.
i am gonna put some dirt in ur eye kid who the f are u to tell mcu what to do will mcu make 7 billion movies for each guy living in mcu?no
@@lakshyarathore4444 That’s a cute comment. Did your husband make that for you?
The Snap that brought everybody back would have done way more harm than good. There is no way things would just be normal again after being dead for 5 years. Heck in the past couple years we've been living here on Earth things have changed quite a bit so you can't only imagine the after Snap. I agree that the storywriters miss out on some major opportunities by having not only Peter Paker himself but everyone he knows get conveniently Snapped away as well. Like Aunt May could have still been alive and now suffering with debt, Flash Thompson could have joined the army and later become Agent Venom, Norman Osborn could have been introduced as a way to get people back to normalcy while doing shady things on the side but nope. Let's just pretend like nothing happened except for Tony Stark dying because that's what really matters 😒
@@emperorxero9626 They made Spider-Man into a Iron Man fanboy and I can’t stand it. I also don’t find Tom’s Spider-Man relatable because the MCU took away everything that makes him relatable.
Anyways I never understood why Tony is dead even. Why? Well Captain Marvel’s power level should allow her to use the gauntlet to resurrect Tony.
Underrated Opinion:One of the Biggest Problems with Spider-Man No Way Home is it Ruins the Rivalry Between Spider-Man and The Vulture while Spider-Man Homecoming wasn't a Good Movie The Vulture was one of its redeeming qualities like a Villain Knowing who Peter Parker is behind bars sounds interesting and i was waiting for him to maybe brake out later and come for Peter after He ruined his life but sadly nwh took away that aspect
why would he want to take revenge on Peter ? he never wanted to kill Peter he only tried to because of his plan now that it is in ruin
why would he go to Peter now hell he didn't even reveal his indentity to scorpion! sure you want stakes but not at the expense of a character's characterasation
It’s as if every new movie adaptation makes the aunt mays younger 😂 literally
I wouldn’t be suprised in 10 years seeing SpIDerMaN who’s a baby and her being a teen in her 16s 💀
Tom is more like White Miles morales but looks like Peter parker.
And that's an insult to Miles
This Spider-Man is a privelaged teched-out selfish kid who doesn’t act at all like the real Spider-Man that doesn’t really go through a character arch and by the end has completely ruined his story because all his friends don’t know him. Yeah that’s about what I expect from the MCU
It's like after Civil War they just stopped trying
Dude, I agree with everything you said in this video from the start I did not like the first Spiderman movie of the MCU the only one I gave a pass to is No Way Home and that's because of the other Spidermans and their Villains showing up
They Butchered Aunt May and turned her into a sex symbol....
I finally understand why I don't like the home trilogy I was watching a behind the scenes video and the director said he wanted like a John Hughes type series of movies and I don't think that works with Spider-Man to be honest in my opinion
If it wasn't for Andrew Garfield and Tobey Maguire, No Way Home would've been a lot worse. And what's worse about Tom Holland is that he doesn't feel like Spider-Man. He doesn't feel like his own character. He always has to bounce off of other heroes or mentor figures. And when they said Holland's Spider-Man 4 will be another multiverse film, I checked out. A street level Spider-Man movie shouldn't be difficult. If we're still gonna do the whole mentor thing, have a street level team up movie with Spider-Man and Daredevil where they fight the Kingpin
Tobie Mcguire was the best Spider-man
Garfield.
Regarding Aunt May I do not really mind that she is hot it is just until No Way Home she was never this moral compass for Peter.
NGL I didn't really care for Tom's Holland version of Spider-Man now that I think about it I've never cared about Tom's Holland version of Spider-Man it just doesn't resonate with me like the last 2 Spidey's I'm rewatching the Raimi Trilogy spider movies without Nostalgia and it just feels like I'm in the 2000s again I need to rewatch the amazing Spider-Man movies I do need to buy them but I do remember liking the first one but not the second one because they added to many Villians just like Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 3 which I don't blame him for because Raimi said he didn't like Venom at all he already had Sandman & New Goblin but the fucking studio forced him to include Venom which you know how that went anyway I just don't like Tom Holland's Spider-Man I watched No Way Home specifically for Tobey & Andrew and I was presently surprised at how great they were after all these years I nearly laughed my ass off when Aunt May died it just wasn't emotional.
Can't be a joke and then taken as a serious threat as a villain?
the spot.
I will admit the MCU Spider-Man films are TRASH but Good Trash
@Erik Kemeey No just andrew.
@Erik Kemeey Nope.
I wish i hd a dollar every time tom hollands spider-man made me cringe
Youd be richer then tony
Literally everything you said. LITERALLY every word, the way you said it. This video encompasses my entire thoughts & feelings towards the mcu iron boy baby back bitch junior.
This is so refreshing after being told by everyone, constantly, that the mcu spiderman is the greatest to ever exist. makes me wanna die and be reborn into an alternate reality where people arent so darn stupid.
Aunt may being old is realistic. Her younger sibling (or in law? Idk) passed away tragically and left their son in her and ben's care, it isn't so strange. It isn't common for siblings to have big age gaps of 20 years, but it isn't impossible.
All they had to do was give her gray hair, act like an old caring lady. It’s not that hard. Rather than making her so hot that every guy in the world want to be Peter’s uncle just to get laid
Well put. And I agree that Andrew is closer to Ultimate Spider-Man than Tom
You know this guys opinions are based because of the persona 5 music in the background. On the real I just never saw Tom as Peter. His face, his personality just felt so off. Don't know if it's bias towards tobeys movies but even andrew got his spiderman down with the terrible material he was working with. Tom did what he could but I just want someone else to get a chance at live action peter because he doesn't work imo. Although his voice is pretty innocent and fits spiderman, I think it's just that he was carried by Tony and his suits. Only until the last scene of the 3rd movie does he come into his own. The other Peters lost so much and had to overcome because of their responsibility, this peter either fucks things up more or wants more recognition. But his character never felt consistent, he wants to help but then doesn't want to help then completely fucks up multiple timelines in his 3rd movie. I get it he's a teen, he's naive but peter is supposed to be pretty smart not downright dumb as fuck and literally always giving away his secret identity. Just a pretty washed down, bland written peter when raimi had done it so much better even with the beginning of superhero films and cheesy dialogue. These films have less tension and suspense than gobby vs tobey at the end of spiderman 1. Way too many jokes that completely muddles the tone, jokes are fine. Spiderman is known for his quips but c,mon. Tom never said anything funny and it was just a bunch of side characters shuffling absolute trash writing down your throats in service of a laugh. That's a bigger problem of the MCU as a whole though.
@Erik Kemeey dude it’s not a matter of why it’s outright shown to us he wants recognition to be an avenger, even so much so he says he is willing to drop out of school for it and perhaps move away from his family and friends
It’s as if he does it simply cause he thinks it’s beneficial when he is being irresponsible with his responsibilities
As being an avenger is fine but moving away abandon his life and responsibilities as peter isn’t all that selfless as it is selfish he is using his powers to get ahead in life not because it’s the right thing to do
Because if it was about doing the right thing he wouldn’t even think about such things
Literally his lesson in that film is peter is being Spider-Man for selfish reasons and only by the end does he learnt I be Spider-Man for selfless reasons
Two to Three of Tom Holland's Spider-man's villains were indirectly created by TONY STARK rather than intentionally by Oscorp or by accident by Spider-Man which eliminates any consequences for Spider-Man as a character vulture, shocker 1-2 and Mysterio have nothing do with Spider-Man and the only reason they fight/hate him is because of Tony Stark
A wasted opportunity to not introduce Norman Osborn if there ever was one 😒
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According to spider-man-no-way-home there is no Oscorp in the MCU and that Norman doesn't exist
Which begs the question how is the next Spider-Man trilogy in the MCU supposed to work without Spider-Man's arch-nemesis and his company
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There is a theory going around that Flash Thompson's dad Is actually Norman Osborn (because they fused both Flash and Harry's characters together) which would sort of make sense considering certain hints of Flash's home / personal life (including a scene from from far from home that hinted at something )
AND the other villains from his third movies are literally from OTHER Spider-Mans, not his
@@Johnnysmithy24 Yeah, it felt like a missed opportunity to not bring back Vulture or something, taking advantage of the opportunity.
I can't believe there are unwoke people praising this dung of a film just because it's supposedly "not woke" and a diss against the other Phase 4 movies. Basically, they are typical MCeww fans that liked the so-called "not woke" Phases 1-3, and who thought that the MCeww was the greatest gift to geeks and the world in all of history. So, there, I am also disagreeing with you that the MCeww only died after Endlame. It has always been trash. Also, speaking of not woke, HOW is the Iron Boy trilogy not woke? MJ, the fat best friend, and Flash Thompson, all racebended. And Flash was supposed to be a fit bully too, who becomes an anti-hero later on in the comics, but over here, he's also overweight, or "plus sized". Iron Boy himself is also a weak parody of the real Spider-Man, and he is only liked by straight fanboys who are blindly loyal to the MCeww, and fangirls/fangays because of his looks.
BTW, he still looks young, but you can tell he's aging badly. Crow's feet at age 25. Yikes.
Man I really hope you find someone to love you, you really need it.
MCU Spider-Man Was Trash But Good Trash😂
outside of live action spider-man (tobey) my childhood fav is spider-man tas that's my spider-man and my introduction to tge character overall. the same with x-men tas which also had crossovers with spider-man tas.
what i hate about mcu spider-man, is everything that u brought up and there's no mary jane, no gwen stacy, no uncle ben and his mentor is not just with iron man but it feels like he has too look up to someone once they're introduce and the "joke" about doc ock's real name is LAME. curing villains to not to be evil is the most disney shit that I've ever seen in a live action superhero story despite being a sony movie with marvel studios production. LOL
Man I love the old 90's superhero cartoons. Back when people created works of art that best incapsulated the characters. Good times
MCU: “We get it. We get it. We know you guys have been bitching about Tom Holland Spider-Man being Iron Boy Jr. for a long time. Now it’s time to make him a real Spider-Man.”
Also MCU: Literally made Tom Holland Spider-Man being carried by the other versions of Spider-Man, Doc Ock and Green Goblin IN HIS OWN MOVIE.
Andrew garfield is based on Ultimate Spider-Man, Tobey Maguire is based on prime 616 Spider-Man and Tom is a white miles MORALES
They better not make Ned Hobgoblin 😂
I wouldn't put it pass the MCU lol 😂
Id say the MCU died after Civil War. Once again, you are on point.
MCU died after End Game. the rest is just side stories.
@@Qaosbringer Endgame was terrible.
I'm glad I gave up after FFH.
Yeah tom Holland Spidey you get to see some traits to what spiderman should be in no way home but overall he doesn't embody who spiderman at its core. MCU mannerism and connections really dilute spiderman and Peter Parker dynamics
Tom did look the part as a teenager
@@silvertongue.242_99Spiderman didn’t stay a teenager long after in the comics.
In all honesty Tony is/was a terrible mentor to Peter especially since he was barely in homecoming and really didn't teach Peter anything helpful to teach Peter to be a better hero (which is something a mentor is supposed to do)
The only advice that he gave Peter was
"To be a hero without the stark suit)
Honestly who thought it was a good idea to have Tony be a mentor to Spider-Man?
It would have made a lot more sense if Spider-man was mentored by Captain America Daredevil REAL (not a Skrull) nick fury Ant-man and Wasp Hawkeye and Black Widow
Peter had to learn to grow and be a better hero himself.
Yes exactly! Honest I'm surprised the Tony Stark never faced jail time for his part it destroying Sokovia
@@emperorxero9626 He had too much money.
@@zzodysseuszz which is weird because he was *already* an established hero to a degree before Civil War. It's why Stark recruited him, which is honestly a *really bad* time to initiate someone into a grander organization
That’s why call this character Iron Boy.
Ultimate Spider-Man?? Man Of Culture i see👁
I loved Ultimate Spider-Man (The comic not the show)
Anything other than the 2 Peters introduction & the 3 Peters being on screen together was just filler for me. I didn't even care for the villains return at all. I certainly didn't care about the plot
The plot was complete trash
Everything he does is frantic, indecisive or just insecure… which is normal sometimes but he’s nothing like Spider-Man… doesn’t embody the character at all
Toby Maguire was always my favourite. I think he had the best balance between the charismatic and snarky Spiderman and the nerdy, introverted Peter.
Andrew Garfield is a great actor and I think his career beyond Spiderman will be more remembered than his Spiderman, but he was too charismatic to me. He almost eclipsed Tom Holland on screen. I didn't buy him as an awkward nerdy kid. His Peter Parker should have been popular not a victim of bullying.
I actually like Tom Holland's Spiderman and Peter. He also has a good balance between Peter and Spiderman but Toby did it better. I actually think he's a little too awkward sometimes but I chalk that up to "quirky" Marvel writing more than anything.
Again the best Aunt May was the first. She needs to be a sweet old lady, not a spunky mom. I can see why they didn't do Uncle Ben again but I thought it was implied that that had already happened. But No Way Home implies that he never learned the lesson about Responsibility.
This MJ was a little too 'cool' for my liking. She just flat out knows he's Spiderman and she figured it out no problem. I didn't buy their relationship because it felt too rushed. They didn't get to know each other enough. It took three Spiderman movies for Toby and his MJ to start having a decently functional relationship. I don't think this MJ is bad nor do I necessarily care about race-swapping as long as the character and actor are still good (see black Harvey Dent) but I think it's funny, as others have pointed out, that it's always the redhead that's swapped for a black person.
I think they took criticisms of MJ being too much of a damsel in distress without personality too seriously (see Doug Walker) and so they do what Hollywood always does and turned her into a spunky, no f*cks given, sassy, single cocked eyebrow "strong independent woman". I thought MJ was independent and had personality already but because she usually becomes the person that Spiderman has to rescue, people treat her as just another Princess Peach and overlook her character.
In No Way Home though, (I've only seen it once so maybe I'm missing something), as you mentioned, Spiderman's supporting cast feel more like characters than real people. MJ and Ned seem to be there because it happens to be a Spiderman movie rather than being there because they had something important to do. Even if you think it's lazy, at least MJ needing to be rescued gives her a reason to be there. Harry chasing Spiderman to get his revenge gives him a reason to be wherever Spiderman happens to be because he's chasing him. Tom Holland's cast just happen to be in the way.
But the biggest betrayal of all was what they did to J Jonah. Jameson. They cast the same person to do him again because he's the best but they gave him a completely different character to play. The first JJJ was an old fashioned businessman who always came off as gruff and cared about money more than anything. Yet he still carried a lot of power because a lot of people read his newspaper and he was well respected.
This JJJ comes off as an amateur news reporter ranting in his dingy basement. A clever writer could have made this a commentary about the state of modern journalism but instead they made him into an Alex Jones knockoff, complete with the same suit and the podcast style videos. This felt more like a cheap shot taken at Alex Jones because he spreads 'fake news' but whoever wrote this either doesn't understand the appeal of Alex Jones or just doesn't care. I've always found JJJ likeable despite his biased reporting because his character is so over the top and ultimately harmless even if he turns public opinion against Spiderman. But the most nefarious thing about him is despite his single sided reporting, his reputation and the fact that he controls a major newspaper, a mainstream news source, makes his misinformation all the more dangerous.
Alex Jones is not mainstream news. He may have a huge pull, but it still pales in comparison to the huge pull that MSM has. I'm sure some people will say this change was made because kids today know who Alex Jones is but these kids have never seen a newspaper, but kids still know what cable news and Fox and CNN and MSNBC so they still who the "respectable" news sources are. Alex Jones is popular mostly because people know he's insane and many people think he's just a grifter/troll who doesn't actually believe half the things he's saying. Sure there's some people who actually believe all of the conspiracies he's spouting, but he's largely a joke. A funny joke for that matter. He doesn't have a reputation so this JJJ doesn't have a reputation so why are people following him? Why does he have his face on the big screen at Times Square? If this JJJ reported that Spiderman was actually Peter Parker, the MSM would have largely ignored it and it would have just been a conspiracy theory that most people would ignore. If anything, SHIELD should be able to go on a misinformation campaign to mislead people into thinking it's false. If Alex Jones has any reputation it's that of a broken clock: mostly useless but occasionally right. I mean for crying out loud, this JJJ is shown filming in his basement, he's not running a major business so how and why would he hire Peter Parker as a photographer? He's not running a major newspaper, he's running a podcast. Maybe he'll hire Peter as a video editor? Probably not. If you want to keep JJJ in the Spiderman mythos as the threat that he is then you have to make him into a respectable villain with connections like the Kingpin. Give him a suit and a reputation so that his evil is more nefarious. Don't make him into a loser than people listen to for no reason. This was the biggest butchering of the Spiderman mythos for me.
Tobey Maguire was the worst spider man factually. His charisma was as stiff as a wooden pole and his snark felt dry and flimsy. His Peter was poorly acted and his lines were robotic. He wasn’t a very good spider man. He had fun action scenes and the green goblin was great but that’s it. They weren’t very good movies. People only like them bc of massive nostalgia.
Dude have you not read the comics? Original JJJ had a super small filming studio set up in his apart where he aggressively ranted about how much of a violent psychopath spider man is. Sam raimi’s movies got nothing from the comics correctly so as a result when they blew up the convos tried to change to be like the movies
@@zzodysseuszz please, "people only like them bc of nostalgia".. Spiderman 2 is better than 99% of these MCU movies, and almost every super-hero movie exists because of Sam Raimi's format. I couldn't care less about something not being perfectly "faithful to the comics" if you got a great Spiderman story and the lore of the characters on point. Yeah now you got Tom Holland shooting web like the comics, but then you got an abhorrent Aunt May and a useless diverse MJ, and you have to have Tony Stark as a starring character cause this Spiderman can't even hold the movie by his own. Raimi's trilogy are not just good superhero movies, majority of people didn't even fucking knew about comics at the time but still the movies were UNIVERSALLY praised, cause Raimi cared about the plot and every character involved. Spiderman wasn't something to make guaranteed money, if now all these (weak) Spider-man movies are assured box office successes, I guess you have to thank Raimi's trilogy who morphed this not so much popular superhero character into an icon. Stan Lee (the fucking creator) was amazed by Raimi's trilogy and Tobey's performance, but I guess you know more than him. Want to talk about nostalgia? If one of these new Tom Holland Spiderman movies came out in 2002, before Spiderman and Marvel became so popular, dude, you wouldn't even have got the Spiderman mania, or at least not to such extent.
They destroyed spiderman and they destroyed hulk bruh😂
My problem with this movie, is they try using supervillains of the past of hide the fact that this Spider-Man is still a terrible Spider-Man, and what really pissed me off about this version of Spider-Man / Peter Parker is how the Hell going to lecture your own variants about their villains deaths, without even knowing let alone understanding what happened. What about Mysterio, I know he's a kid but you can't save everyone.
I really wish Disney just had the balls to set up their own sinister six movie. just in universe different characters or recast some of the old ones but I’d be lying if I said I didn’t have a big fat nerd smile on my face when doc Ock showed up or Willem Dafoe
bruh big bruh if u dont like raimi movies u keep ur fucking voice down this is it this is perfect
@@lakshyarathore4444 I can’t tell if you’re screwing with me or not
@@lakshyarathore4444 😂
@@GT_rising24 lol
It seem like that was the plan in Homecoming and then they just gave up for some reason
7:46 I'd say that Spider-Man 3 is still comic accurate. With the exception of Peter and Eddie, everybody is like how they usually are
Everyone likes Mysterio because he's being played by Jake Gyllenhaal. I mean, he's awesome, but it doesn't make the character any good.
He sucked in that role. Way too much over-acting.
Brilliant analysis that is EXACTLY how I feel and think about all of this!
This is how I have ALWAYS FELT. From the first movie.
I liked it but my favorite Tom Holland Spider-Man movie was the first one the first one sure it wasn’t a great Spider-Man movie and The blonde one looks like Sally Arvil to me you know the character who died trying to be a hero
Agree everything ❤️
great work✌️
Finally! I am a Spider-Man fan since the 80s cartoons (unfortunately nobody knows that series nowadays) and I loved Spider-Man 2 + Into the Spider-Verse movies. Unfortunately, I hated this trilogy and I can't even understand why they are being called the "greatest Spider-Man movies ever".
Me either. The MCU Spider-Man Trilogy is weak
I've seen both 80s cartoons! They were AMAZING!!!!!
I thought Far From Home sucked and am hesitant about No Way Home. Probably just give it the Redbox treatment. $1.50 rip and return.
Honestly I just wait for it to come out on Disney+ or something. There are better uses for 1.50 lol
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I mean, it is Disney+, probably be better just burning the money at that point.
@@jovenc4508 Well yeah true that
Y’all complain to damn much😂😂😂
The mcu is just a big expensive snl skit. Every character is a parody of themselves, they don't believe they are the characters.
Dear God yes. Watching that first Thor movies was insufferable. It really was a parody and a farce. Captain America and Hulk were no better.
I’ve been saying this ever since the amazing Spider-Man franchise got canceled. Hated Tom Holland from day one lol of course nothing personal
I get that. He just doesn't encapsulate the character well
if the tom holland movies were called "Disney's Spider-Man" as some comedy Disney+ short series they would be excusable, im not kidding when i say the 2010 diary of a wimpy kid movies are better than Homecoming in every way
I mean, I love that movie not because of it's story but because it's a dream come true for me and a lot of people.......... but I would not say it's 100% perfect like the spell is it a memory spell? a teleportation spell? It's why I'm losing interest in the MCU because I hate magic
So problem is the story. He have no story .
6:36
The one that angered me was when they gave May the iconic “power and responsibility” line; at least attribute it to your dead husband, woman !
The stupidest thing in far from home is shield with their huge weapons, ships and all of the avengers on spees dial, would go to a 15 year old who shoots webs to fight giant element monsters.
Imo MCU Spider-Man's Backstory could've been Great like ok no Uncle Ben? So what about Peter's Parents they should've explained that maybe avenging their death couldn've been the reason he became Spider-Man??? Nope! Instead it just happens lmao
I’m not gonna lie I lost it when daredevil showed up I literally have his theme song as my ringtone
I agree with everything mcu is an absolute joke
I want to make this absolutely clear. I don’t disagree with what you’re saying, but as someone who enjoyed these movies I thought I would provide a different opinion. Are these movies perfectly accurate? No. Are all of the characters great? No. But I still enjoyed the movies because they were entertaining. I know I sound like a simpleton for saying that, but for me personally I just felt that the action, and humor were entertaining enough to be a good time. Was it the greatest movie of all time? Absolutely not, but I got to see three spidermen doing Spider-Man things and that was enough for my monkey brain to be satisfied.
To each his own. If you liked the movies that fine. This is simply a video of a guy who didn't
@@emperorxero9626 A respectable philosophy for a respectable man
An opinion like this should always be respected.
@Erik Kemeey How am I a troll? Lol
@Erik Kemeey I don’t hate him, I love Tom Holland, I just don’t like his writing staff.
And you called me a troll for respecting someone’s opinion
i don't care for ethnicity of the character as long as they keep their traits as the original characters and tell a good story. such as miles Morales absolutely great character just with poor writing and we've seen how great his character is with good writing via spider verse films. however you are correct about everything about MCU spiderman being so boring and bland i think thats just the MCU but if tom holland and other members of the cast were put into a deferent writing room i would actually like tom hollands spiderman.
Homecoming did feel kind of like an Ultimate Spider-Man comic to me (peter comic). I liked it. It was downhill from here. 4:20 Also Peter doesn't TAKE IT. Peter definitely claps back at Flash and insults him back sometimes.
0:42 Hey, give some credit to Captain Marvel
LOL!! 🤣🤣
When peter got his own apartment he probably got the money from aunt may after she died
4:49
I know I'm probably hearing this wrong but you do know Peter doesn't beat up Flash because prior to the spider bite he couldn't but after he could annihilate him but he doesn't do that because that'd be too revealing.
I disagree with the video but I respect your opinion. But some of the stuff you said bro were not it. Like why did you have to call Ned fat
Because he is fat lol
10:50 maybe it’s cuz we’ve seen this exact same development in other Spider-Man media like idk Toby maguire’s or Andrew’s spiderman. This whole vid makes no sense🤣
I just wonder why they didn't let whoever wrote Captain America civil war write the Spider-Man trilogy because I thought that would work better
Am I the only one who really hopes spectacular spiderman is in across the spiderverse part 1? Or 2?
well i also want him in across the spider verse
That would be epic! Especially if he's a main character 😁
Well do I have good news for you three well mostly two but yeah still good news.
Also is it just me or mcu peter and mj don't have a believable buildup? He's crushing on liz in the first movie (which felt more natural) and in far from home he's suddenly fallen in love with mj. That too off screen. They don't have anything in common, they don't talk about anything meaningful besides awkward banter. I still have no idea who this mj is besides being a 'not like other girls' girl.
13:29 is literally peak spider-man tf are you talking about💀💀 and also if you are actually smart 37:46 peter always outsmarts villains or hero’s who are way stronger/ smarter than him?? and at this point 39:31 he thought that goblin killed mj and aunt may why does him not being his goblin have to do with him wanting to kill him? and half of these sound like nonsense nitpicks lmao
Actually no peter in the McU never did outsmart his villains once, he needs to really on massive amounts of help and people telling him what to do
He didn’t even beat vulture as vulture could have killed him
Beck if he really was smart he would have taken out beck when the illusion was going on in the final battle because the fact is if all the drones are available what was to stop beck from sending all 500 to kill him
Essentially if beck was smart Peter would be dead and if Peter was smart beck wouldn’t have been taken out and peter would have got Edith shutting down the illusion without disrupting the illusion first because than all 500 drones are exposed and beck is screwed meaning if beck actually sent all the drones to kill Peter he be dead
In no way home he never actually beat a villain
With Otto the iron spider had to save him
He couldn’t contend with electro or sand man
Lizard outright dominated Tom, stalemated Andrew and tobey was doing the best against him
And goblin outright could have killed him multiplies times in the film with peter only wining the final fight because gobin was going all emperor to luke on him,
And he knew mj was alive
Sure goblin killed may
But the Spider-Man outright told him not to kill him
And if it weren’t for the other Spider-Men to actually be their to stop him he would have ended up like goblin which is what goblin wanted
Essentially Tom has never actually outsmarted his opponent
And the only time he technically has was in the crossover but anyone who watched a movie could come up with those strategies
It wasn’t out of pure ingenuity
Essentially the moment people begin defending mcu Spider-Man all that tells is that you didn’t actually pay attention to the films and actually do a comparison
@@ATalesTruth- he outsmarted doctor strange and i meant COMICS peter always outsmarted villains and HEROS i was just saying his point made no sense
@@kidsseeghxst he didn’t really
The whole fight with dr stanege was a load of BS and you and everyone else knows it
You know how strange sent Peter through a portal many times
If the portal lead to a cell like the other villains peter would have lost
Essentially peter wining makes no sense
He didn’t outsmart strange because this is the equivalent of Batman with no prep time fighting Superman
Superman has more ways to beat Batman than Batman to beat Superman and unless the situation is perfect which it never is Batman would never win
Same thing here
Spider-Man could have been beaten the very moment he entered a portal or any other infinite means dR stanege had
It doesn’t make Peter look smarter or competent
It makes dr strange look dumber and incompetent
Here is a video that goes into that m.ua-cam.com/video/Odg7Gdou0ck/v-deo.html&t=43m5s
@@kidsseeghxst yes certainly Spider-Man in the comcis tv shows and other movies outsmarts his opponents
You can make every comparison
But when comparing mcu he is by far the most incompetent Spider-Man
And people like to defend or justify it via his age or inexperience
Yet many Spider-Man his age have done far more than he has yet people like you think he is somehow better?
@@ATalesTruth- he outsmarted that one squadward looking guy in iw and doctor strange AND he cured 3 villians in the span of hours and made his own web fluid
Andrew has got the edge Peter did. comic book Spidey wasn't a pure good boy like Tobey portrayed. Tom can remove his Disney channel cringe outta here.
I liked no way home for the fuckery but never took it serious like the og trilogy or the amazing spider man ones which I still liked honestly. It was a FUN movie but only just a fun movie not a cool movie.
I literally have the same opinion, to the very last letter. Good to see that im not the only one.