The premise of Peter Parker almost ending the multiverse because he was bummed that he and his friend couldn’t get into MIT when he’s literally using Stark’s tech which is the best technology in said universe is absolutely mind boggling to me still to this day
The MCU stans will rip their hair out over this one. Saw some dumbass comment recently that Spider-Man is more scary compared to Batman when he’s angry because he was trying to Kill Green Goblin while Batman was trying to take down The Riddler. Whatever that is supposed to mean. Biggest cope I’ve seen in awhile.
@@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475 I don’t disagree. Spiderman 1 and 2 are the two best spiderman movies imo. The MCU is way too light hearted. Don’t be surprised that if they reverse everything they did at the end of NWH.
@@larry2281 Whoever that dude is, most definitely has never touched a comic a day in his life. If anything Batman is scarier when he gets angry because dear god, he got ANGRY after Jason’s death, to the point he had full intention of destroying The Joker (Who became the Iranian ambassador to get legal protection from Batman) and even Superman had to intervene. If you have to get SUPERMAN, a being with Herculean strength and abilities to stop you, then you’re an absolute threat.
College Woman also shouldn't have had her mind changed by the bridge fight. The whole reason they denied Peter was due to the danger he presents by simply being in an area, and him being on that bridge caused massive property damage. Why would the college give the thumbs up for that after their point was directly proven irl??
I thought it exposed him as a pathetic Tobey fanboy. Andrew Garfield and Tom are better spider man than him. Tobey has the better story. I don't get the constant hate towards Andrew Garfield when he is actually the best spider man out of the 3
@@jacket2383Tobey is the worst thing to ever happen to Spiderman imo. He was always wrong as both sides he was a terribly cringe too old Peter and a God awful Spiderman because Raimi went camp.
But when the humor feels cheap that's also a problem. If it was utilized better people wouldn't have issues with it. I do agree that treating the serious moments with the weight they deserve is needed.
I absolutely hate how Green Goblin smashed his mask with some bs reason, if they really wanted no mask they could’ve had it destroyed in a fight. I’m sad cause the look is so iconic. The lizard looks strange as well
I think they partially did that because Willem Dafoe said the mask was hard to breathe in. When they filmed 2002 spiderman he could only wear it for a few minutes at a time, so I believe removing it was a condition of him returning. (I still agree it should've been broken in a fight or some other way, that would've been cooler)
@@nerychristian A bit late, but- Why not make an improved mask? Ij the countless years in costume design, we've found plenty of ways to improve costumes. To refine them and so on! It shouldn't be hard for DISNEY and the MCU, with their deep pockets. To make theses costumes physically. Having CGI be used as a tool rather than a crutch.
The lizard was shit bro so was Garfield’s movies, he’s a hood actor but he sucked as spidey. And the cgi in nwh was atrocious, look at how they highlighted green goblins uniform….. He looked hideous
The first Iron Man movie should have been the benchmark for all solo MCU movies and The Avengers should have been the one for team-up movies. I don't understand how they manage to screw up so many stuff they got right a decade earlier.
The first Avengers sucked. It was genuinely terrible, and I never got the appeal. While Iron Man was well received not every movie should be done like Iron Man.
i agree but even Iron Man and Avengers had rotten finales (Avengers’ gigantic flaw being that the aliens all instantaneously drop dead when their mother ship was destroyed, wHaT?!?!?)
Dude finally someone said it, I was scared of being osctracised for saying the same but this is the reality, No Way Home worked because of the build of 20 years and nostalgia factor and "OHH my god three spidermans from my childhood in one movie" factor The writing was so lazy, I mean the whole premises of the movie was that the movie exists because Peter is stupid and made too many changes in the spell, if Peter would have simply said "All the people that knew before should still remember and rest everyone should forget", the movie would have ended in 5 minutes It was just a money grab at best
I throughly enjoyed this film while in the theater and everyone’s energy was buzzing. I cannot stress how hyped I was to see tobey on screen- my favorite Spider-Man, my childhood obsession. However, even while on the way home, I was questioning the many plot holes and loose ends. I slowly began to hate this movie, especially how they ruined Doc Oct’s character. Otto had overcome the chip in the end of his movie to save Peter Parker. He was already redeemed, Holland’s Spider-Man didn’t need to save him. Sandman got to keep his morality intact why couldn’t Doc? It was a great experience to see after not going see a movie opening weekend for two years. But the rewatchability just isn’t there. In fact, I would actively avoid seeing it again because I would just get upset with all the bullshit I missed the first time around. These characters had endings. Marvel dug them up to beat a dead horse for the nostalgia points and even I fed into that temporarily
So many times I get over the high of seeing a hyped film and the comraderie of the shared theater experience and realize soon after the movie was crap like that Batman with Bane in it.
Pretty sure Doc Ock was pulled from the moment he grabbed Peter by the neck. At the point he hadn't fully redeemed himself. Peter hadn't even given the speech yet. So you're assessment is incorrect.
@@SuperWeedPower oh god, don’t get me started. I could tell every actor and crew member were just giving it their all… the writing was just so god awful. It’s been years and it still elicits a visceral reaction from me. I just saw this notification and jumped on it instantly because of my passion over how the writers ruined what had the potential to be the greatest tv show of my time
This is exactly what I've been saying. I do want to add though that May's death was ruined by the fact that she encouraged Peter to bring the villains to the apartment. There's no lesson to learn here. Either it was an irresponsible move (it was), which means has no business talking about responsibility, or it was a responsible move (it wasn't), which means that responsibility leads to Peter losing his loved ones. Add to this the fact that this woman is perfectly fine with underage nephew fighting crime and you learn why in my rewrite I gave the line to Toby.
That wasn't ruined by that at all though. There is a lesson to lean here and that's that being a hero will always come with consequences , it wasn't a irresponsible move, no it was a responsible move, it doesn't exactly or at least directly lead to that. Well yeah...that makes sense really.
@@jaydenc367 It was wildly irresponsible to take powerful, criminal and unstable entities into an apartment building with other people without any kind of back up plan if they go rouge.
It is very much irresponsible to bring criminals and murderers who have killed many humans to an unsecured apartment from their respective jail. They would have killed thousands of people but the film just ignores this possibility and plays it for laughs but this was a serious threat to other normal residents who lived there.
I read the title and had to say thank you for saying this. I liked the movie, but once you're past the nostalgia bait it's not as good as people say it is.
@@Gamfluent Does it make you feel like a big boy about responding to a year old comment and remotely think the response relevant? Curious. I think it's adorable that you act like a child, but I just have to know if it makes you feel like you put on your big boy pants.
@Gamfluent It's weird because it's like a projector has gained sentience, and I am barely managing a conversation with one. How does it feel to seethe at a year old comment?
I love Dafoe’s Goblin, but Disney didn’t understand it. Yes, he had a split personality in the first film, but they weren’t entirely removed from each other. Norman drove himself insane but he always had at least a hand in the Goblin’s atrocities. There was nothing the Goblin did that wasn’t wanted or needed by Norman. Disney made him to be entirely dissociative which doesn’t even make sense since he was supposedly plucked at the end of Spider-Man one when he was literally acting as both Norman and the Goblin to kill Peter. They make it out like his psyche completely snapped. Which could work, but it can’t be offscreen. If Willem Dafoe wasn’t in this film, the Goblin would be as forgettable as the rest.
They did understand it though. They kinda were though. Did he reallly? True but Norman here has changed more as a person. It does make sense as Norman himself has changed to be a better person, he realized his mistake at the end and showed he cared for his son, so it does make sense. Which is what happened. It wasn't offscreen though. Not true at all, and the rest weren't forgettable either.
WAAAAAAAAAAY overrated. I hated Tom Holland's Spiderman, but not because of Tom Holland. I just didn't like how they turned his character into a bumbling moron that needed two better and smarter spidermen to save his sorry butt. It's like he constantly accidentally bumbled his way into saving the day.
I completely agree with everything you said - especially how they totally massacred Dr. Strange’s character in this film. This was a good film but not nearly the masterpiece everyone made it out to be. I think our standards have dropped so low due to the Disney MCU sausage maker of tv shows and films that this was better than expected. Thanks so much for pointing out all the inconsistencies too; it was refreshing to have my concerns validated. This was a really solid product - thanks for making it.
@@yeetnessthegreater1298 calling it decent is just wrong. It's bad but the last had some really good moments that isn't enough to save it as a whole but I still like the movie and had fun with it.
Surprised you didn't have more of an issue with May's death scene. I was furious because she gets to her feet and helps Peter up, which shouldn't be the case because she's injured and he's Spider-man. Then proceeds to bleed out to her death. Peter could have wrapped her up with webs and swung her to a hospital. He has used his webs in this way several times in the comics, including a case where he saved May this way. Then Peter sits there and cries. And it cuts to the next sequence. ... I was anticipating a moment of pure anger following May's death. This would give us a chance to see a darker, rage-fueled, gritty, Peter chase Goblin. Swinging through the city chasing Goblin's glider. Instead, we got this bullshit.
Tom would’ve done such a good job acting the scene if he had become enraged after her death. Can you imagine? He would’ve used his powers mercilessly and then we could’ve gotten a great scene where he truly understands the line “great responsibility”. It would’ve been very relatable to viewers. Sigh. Missed opportunity.
@@tragerec or maybe just don’t add that line at all. He’s learned it already. It’s honestly just forced at this point not every spiderman movie needs it lol
Different people react differently to grief. There are victims of IEDs that have walked around for a while before realizing the level of damage they received, it's because of the shock, which May was certainly in. How is sealing the external injury gonna help if she has a punctured organ or more? She'll still die of internal bleeding anyway and those tend to act super fast regardless.
Sandman wants the box to go back to his daughter. He doesn't care about being cured or the other villain's getting cured. But Peter and the villains' couldn't let him go back because If Sandman went back it would send all of the other villain's back and some of them would die. There is a brief fight scene between Electro and Sandman at the end where Electro says "Sorry to say Sandman but nobody is going home!" and electro blasts Sandman in the face. But Sandman helps the Lizard and Electro after reforming so he can take the box for his own ends. He's not really on the villans side, he's just using them to beat the three Spidermen to grab the box. It makes sense but isn't explained very well. It would have been best to just not have him in the movie.
@@LonelyGothGirl That sort of makes sense, but then it means his character doesn't deserve the forgiveness he earned in Spider-Man 3. He's still just an opportunistic criminal.
It took Ironboy 3 solo movies and multiple crossover movies to learn that with great power comes great responsibility. This implies that up until now he was just doing this for a narcissistic joyride.
NWH Made that very clear: he only went to doctor strange because he couldn’t go to fucking school, not because he was accused of terrorism nope that’s fine, but I can’t go to college now? Erase everyone’s memories MCU Peter is like MHA Deku: he’s a hero just cos it’s cool
@Greg Elchert they fucked up that plot point with the whole flash book joke. So two people who claimed to be friends with Peter can’t get accepted into college because of the controversy, but a nigga CAN WRITE A BOOK that says he’s SPIDER-MAN’S BEST FRIEND and not only get it published but still get into MIT?? 🤣🤣
Disney and SONY sacrificed giving us Spider-Man vs Sinister 6 cuz “DC doing FLASH so we need spiderverse.” It was a movie that should NOT have been the ending to Spider-Man’s first trilogy. That left Scorpion end credit scene from 1st film in the garbage, along with the post credit scene of 500 Mysterio drones from 2nd film. We could have had Scorpion be the villain along with the rest of the SINISTER 6. Spiderverse could have been the 1st Spider-Man film of the beginning of the MULTIVERSE SAGA.
To be fair if you were a hormonal unremarkable teenager that was suddenly blessed with extraordinary abilitys that allow you to stop a bus with your bare hands and put any normal human no matter how strong they are to shame in a fight as well as becoming a superhero and working with the most famous superheros/celebrities on earth you would most likely be in for that "narcissistic joy ride" as well.
The hypocrisy is immense in accepting Electro’s change. I find most of the criticism for TASM2 baffling, including Electro when it’s logical, simple and not comedic, which more than anything in NWH and the original Spidermen. There was a reason Electro looked like he did and there is no consistency or explanation in changing him.
That's right, his whole character was about being unable to stand out against a blank wall, so his personality and appearance made sense for that movie. So yeah, it's a weak reason to praise the new one and dunk on the old one just because of personal feelings and preferences. Specially when it doesn't make sense how his personality and appearance changed so drastically. I saw it as cheap pandering, honestly.
My wife pointed this out. We watched TASM 1 and 2 before NWH and both left disappointed. She's not a big superhero fan but she said NWH was completely inconsistent in characterizations from the previous movie. Felt like they just used the actors to write all new characters that had no connection to the originals
@@shanonsnyder9450 Yep the characterisation was terrible. Lip service about how the characters were arbitrarily, simplistically characterised over intervening years as an attempt to put a capstone on the capstone of their own movies (heroes); or substituting with different characters using the same actors, played entirely straight story wise, but the only purpose is for cheap humour (villains).
It’s sad that they didn’t capitalise on the ramifications that Mysterio caused in the last movie. Having a world where Peter is now a walking target to the point where he’s now at risk to his family and friends with his identity exposed is something we’ve never seen before. Something fresh and new. You could have this be the movie that builds on the Scorpion being given his suit via the press and Jameson to track down and hunt Peter Parker. The film could be a clever metaphor for media watchdogs using unscrupulous acts to take down something they perceive as a threat whereas they’re the ones acting like monsters. Have maybe even Kraven try and track down the wanted superhero too for his own moral code. Have Peter and SSU Eddie Brock or even Daredevil team up to try and clear his name by revealing Mysterio’s deceptions. That would’ve made for an awesome movie! Fanservice is all well and good, but when it’s at odds with a story that actually will benefit the ongoing narrative instead of just rebooting it from the ground up, it just feels like the journey leading up to it was a waste of time.
You are right! The film totally forgot about the Scorpion even though he showed up in Homecoming post credit scene. And seeing what Michael Mando was capable of in Far Cry 3 and Better Call Saul, it’s a bummer that Marvel wasted his talent.
Exactly! The movie could follow your plot and by the third act Peter "clears" his reputation as a killer but realizes that will be consequences for his identity being revealed. His friends and family were already targeted by Kraven for example, we could make it so that he is the one who kills Aunt May. This will make Peter realize that as long as people know he's Spiderman his friends will be in constant danger so he makes the hard choice and goes to Doctor Strange to make everyone forget who he is.
I feel so incredibly validated by your thoughts on the spell scene, whole movie could’ve been avoided if the smartest man in the room actually used his brain. But no
I cannot stand how they treated Dock Ock… They threw him out the window made fun of his name, and his powers, used him for tentacle jokes and locked him up for about 20 minutes not doing anything… THIS IS THE DOCK OCK!! And that’s what y’all did with him?! 😭😭😭😭😭 No way home gave me nothing. There’s just too much comedy in this film. The death of aunt may did nothing for a lot of people because she was just used for a sex symbol for a joke. 🤯
No the whole more funny = better started because of guardians of the galaxy which did really well. After it’s success, the rest of the mcu tried to be just like them.
Guardians know comedic timing & when it's appropriate to make jokes. Marvel now just has characters constantly cracking jokes, even during serious scenes robbing them of any kind of emotional impact. If the movie doesn't take itself seriously then why should I? Not To mention the "jokes" are lame dad jokes. I hate how now in MCU movies everything is mocked and cynical, like in this movie how the characters make fun of Doc Ock's name. It's the writer's contempt for the source material. Thanks movie for pointing out Otto Octavius is a ridiculous name, it's not funny or clever just obnoxious. No one can have genuine feelings or conviction for anything, everyone has to be super sarcastic all the time like an insufferable teenager who thinks he's being edgy and is above it all. Trying to turn 90%:of their movies into bad comedies has completely backfired and turning every character into Tony Stark light is moronic.
@@rootfish2671 You made me appreciate more the joke Sam Rami's film made about Doc Ock's name. "A man named "Otto Octavius" winds up with eight limbs. What are the odds?"
@@rootfish2671 in the first Guardians they had an effin Dance Off, that's the most childish thing I have ever seen on the big screen, including child movies
One more thing to add some 80% of these villain will not have their fate change at all Doc Ock being fixed would not saving him from dying. as when he goes sent back he will be on the exact same spot before he left and that is when the reactor went out of control and Ock is the only one that can stop it so he would still sacriice himself anyway and Peter literally changes nothing in this movie Same with Electro who's in the middle of receiving ton of electric power surge. he no longer have his power means he will immediately burn to crisp by the electrical power he receive Lizard and Sandman were literally just fine and not in any danger to be killed by Spiderman anyway and Norman is the only one who his fate change by Peter effort
They also didn't explain how these characters were attached to their universes. Toby is years past those events, yet he sends them back to...the past? Alternative universes? Didn't they just condemn their alternate versions to not learning their lessons? None of this is explained in the movie.
It's just like the snap in endgaame.. Not only should nothing on this planet be able to hold those stones, let alone destroy tony and his suit, but a human being cannot be able to hold 2 stones.. Even if he did, his mind isn't powerful enough, and we saw what it did to hulk's arm...
@@thecensoredmuscle563 No. consider he still have his mask and was on top of his glider when he enter MCU it was Norman way before he got stabbed if he pulled back just before he got stabbed he wouldn't have his glider
I don't know if anyone already said this, but the black suit Peter wears is just his regular suit with the insides out. You can see sort of wires and tech stuff on the surface because it's the tech from inside the suit. That's why it quickly changed colors @20:07, Peter just wore it the normal way.
@@joeydrakeward4077 so you are dismissing the entire video because of his 'monotoned voice' (which is just a regular voice) and because he made a mistake about what that black suit was? He isn't shitting on the movie for no reason and gives it credit where it's due. Also, what voice do you expect from a videoessay narration? Too hard to listen, huh? Go back to watching cartoons then
Literally the only noteworthy and/or good parts of this movie were the acting, Aunt May’s death scene, the conversations between Andrew, Tobey, and Tom, Andrew saving MJ, the fights between Tom and Green Goblin, and Tobey’s conversation with Doc Ock and all the character assassinations, horrible world building, and confusing plot holes pretty much destroy the immersion of the good stuff.
you just explained exactly why i say tom spider-man is so corny. i personally like andrew because he’s so laid back, does the classic quips & fights like spidey. peter may act out a bit too much at times but andrew always finds a way to keep a balance between peter being his sarcastic, snarky, clever & sometimes cocky self. just wish the movies were directed better
Issue with Nostalgia-Powered Movies is: if you never grew up with the originals, there's no Nostalgia to power the movie. If the Best Part about the Movie is Nostalgia, then it fails to capture to those who never experienced it
@@tookool4skool98 Wow! Almost like you never heard of Into The Spider-Verse, and Everything Everywhere, All at Once😱😨🤯 Can you misrepresent my Argument further?
18:15 This idea is still fresh in my mind but given that Spider-Man is wearing a Black Suit, they have the PERFECT reason for Sandman to be aggressive and on guard at this moment of confusion.
That scene always annoyed me. Sandman isn't one of the most critically thinking people yes. But in the two times he's seen 'spider-men clad in black,' one is with a bloodthirsty maniac, and the other tried to murder him on the spot. He had every reason to distrust Tom's Peter, even after Spider-Man 3 ended. Maybe not enough for a full on fight scene, but def enough to not fully commit to his plan There's probably a comparison I could be making here, but it's late and I'm tired. Just felt like voicing my feelings on this
Most of the mcu is bad if you think about it.. Ironman 1 and a few others(like 4 or 5 at most) are good... Endgame has so many plotholes and bad jokes, and doesn't have to include what they did to Hulk... Fanboys talk about him holding a building from collapsing as if it was the entire building, and doing the snap as if Tony didn't do it minutes later... The snap shouldn't even be taking place on earth if it becomes 'ground zero' for whatever reason Rocket said... And a virgin Captain America, Mr 'I can do this all day' runs away from responsibility and people he came to love as family and put his life on the line for them, at 35 years old, to be with a woman.. Lol... Thor, a literal god, becomes a drunk because he failed in his duties.. Is that even Odin's son?? Clint carrying the soul stone like it's nothing.. Every 5 minutes of that movie has a big problem
I agree with everything you’ve mentioned in this video except Andrew’s Spider-Man being the worst. I can understand not liking TASM films but there was nothing with Andrew’s Peter/Spider-Man. At least Andrew’s was more accurate and consistent than Tom’s version
@@rootfish2671 *Remember this?* I cLaP! *Remember that?* i ClAp! That was literally the entire movie. Not to say I didn't like the movie, there were things I liked like Goblin, You know I'm something of a scientist myself, Goblin...I just realised...there is still not much about this film that is genuinely good.
@@DOOM_guyEditz433 Yh I was being generous with that score. It does range from 2-4/10. My enjoyment of the film was worthy of a 6/10, but the film itself...nah...
@@HoDoBoDo it's shocking how much they dumbed down Dr. Strange for plot contrivances, it's like they just turned in a rough draft for the script and immediately approved it
20:05 Slight mistake. His costume never changed. His “black and gold” outfit was just his normal suit but it’s inside out because of the green paint bomb earlier in the movie. Aunt May just got around to getting the paint off of his suit.
No Way Home reminds me of that scene in Thor where they are having a pantomime that tells the story of Thor and Loki and all the general public are there for the theatre. It's like a caricature of a movie. Like when Doc Oc arrives and just says the line "The power of the sun, in the palm of my hand". No prompt, just appears and says that.
i have to disagree with the andrew thing. holland is the worst of the three. andrew actually felt like spidey and as the ny icon the character is in the comics, it criticized the 'vengeance' trope in superhero movies (both captain stacy and gwen died after spidey defeated his villains, giving much more time for the grieving and having peter regret because of his irresponsibility, while in movies like the avengers, coulson's death was used just as a keystone to make the avengers do something against loki) and peter is a human, he's going to commit mistakes, and the movie punishes peter for commit those mistakes, like desobeying captain stacy and making gwen his girlfriend again, killing her off because of peter's mistakes. i just think those movies treated the grieving and the punishment way better than this one, and they deserve credit for doing it. but yeah, venom movies suck.
Exaaactly. The only problem the amazing movies have is sony rushing bad villains and shifting focus from good story to setting up future movies and other deals. Andrew's Spidey is much more like the real Spider-Man than Tom.
??? ANDREW IS WORST BREAKING PROMISE TO A DYING MEN AFTER BEN'S DEMISE CLEARLY SHOWS HE IS WORST, ON'T FORGET THE RHINO TRUCK CHASE CHASE WHERE HE IS JOKING WITH RHINO INSTEAD OF STOPPING HIM , AND HE BLOWS UP CARS RIGHT IN FRONT OF ANDREW . HE ALLOWED RHINO TO KILL PEOPLE FOR THE SAKE OF JOKES
@@zubinchadha6489 First of all: don't scream, weirdo. Second: The movie kills Ben, Captain Stacy and Gwen for being an asshole and ignoring his own promise. It punishes Peter for those mistakes, my entire comment was dedicated to that. It seems that you don't have reading comprehension.
@@jaski4022 first of all you don't know the meaning of the word scream , and scream is a word for audio not text weirdo. Peter was an asshole for ignoring his promise , remember tasm 1 ending "THOSE ARE THE BEST KINDS", I have the ability to see things but you don't , peter keeps making mistakes after mistakes the guy even allows rhino to blow up cabs and kill people for the sake of making jokes, the guy gets gwen killed by stopping her from going to UK, by webbing cringy "I LOVE YOU" on a bridge, he turns his back on HARRY, he steals rodrigo's identity in oscorp and gets him kicked out . Andrew was the worst but I just keep him above holland, because garfield did carry his own movies by himself unlike iron boy junior who just survives because of MCU label, rdj 's heavy marketing and cameos in homecoming, banking on endgame's hype for far from home (the movie was a sequel to endgame), or using nostalgia bait for nwh. But still it doesn't change the fact that garfield was super irresponsible even after Ben's demise something which spider=man would never do
I’m glad that you release these videos because while I do enjoy this movie a lot, you ask the real questions and point out flaws in the story that I would never notice
Yea this movie is 5 or 6.5 for me now that I look back at it (still love it though). Honestly, the comedy really worked for me when Tobey and Andrew showed up. Sure, they were mostly or all references, but they just hit different (I can admit it's mostly cause of nostalgia). Overall, this is really the only phase 4 thing that I could watch again and again (maybe Hawkeye too).
May's death pevees me so bad. Why in gods name was may in the apartment while supervillians were in the apartment? How could peter be so stupid to allow this to happen? I wish they could have had peter try to talk may out of being at the apartment and have her insist on staying because she wants to help. Then at least peter has something to feel bad about
There's an easy way they could have still had everyone know Toby was Spider-Man without him immediately exposing himself and being out of character MJ: We were looking for Peter Parker Toby: That's me. I'm Peter Parker MJ: So does that mean you're Spider-Man in your world too? Toby: . . . crap
@@lilstupidahhboy5155it was actually tobey , yes ppl like Andrew too but 2 whole generations has been waiting to see Tobey since 2008. Kids most likely Caught SM3 with Venom while the Old heads watched the Whole Trilogy .
I'm a fan of Marvel but I completely agree with all your opinions, this movie was practically made to distract people from the other bad movies in phase 4.
Homecoming is a Genuinely good spiderman movie, even with all the jokes. It takes itself seriously by the end of the film and has a great villain that isn't treated like a joke
i swear like while the actors acted their asses off (for the most part) i think people need to realise that no way home was just as poorly written, contrived, and pandering as literally everything else in phase 4 but was just FILLED with some of the best memmba berries just like endgame was and so both movies were look upon as 'good and even in saddly many's eyes as 'masterpieces'.......
The only reason iron man 1 was good, was because they still had to keep the tone of the fox X-men films and Sony Spider-Man films. Those are the real stuff, the mcu is a joke circus
The most aggregious thing to me, aside from the whole spell BS, was that Aunt May's death was just pointless as far as Tom Holland goes. He learns nothing, we don't get to see a growth from it unlike Sam Raimis Peter. Just no weight to any of this film. Just fan service.
Far from home he spends the 80%of the movie in italy. No way home he losses his home and by the life that he knew. He can literally never go back home.
The problem with this whole MIT drama was poor and inconsistent writing. You've established your Peter as much different than what we saw and how he was technically very much affiliated with Stark Industries the biggest corporation in your universe and then try to shove a teenage problem which would definitely not bother him. Of course he didn't care about himself but more about his friends but I really think one call to Happy could have fixed all thar
"Willem Dafoe does all his own stunts" My brain: You know what he means by that Me: Imagines Willem Dafoe slamming Tom Holland through an apartment building floor
People really ignored the flaws or atleast failed to see the flaws in this film because of how much hype they had. This movie relied too much on fanservice and nostalgia. The first time I watched NWH, I really didn't like it that much-- Why? Well because I wasn't that hyped to see this film. Because before I even watched it, I knew it would just be pure fanservice and nostalgia. Don't get me wrong, I grew up watching Raimi's Trilogy and I freaking loved those movies. I also watched The Amazing Spiderman 1&2 (i thought they were alright). I'm not hating on this movie just because I wanna be that guy that has "different" opinion than most people. No, I actually watched this movie thinking it was gonna be okay, nothing to crazy, and I was right. I'd say it's not even that good, even tho I still enjoyed some of it. Anyways, because I wasn't caught in the hype I could notice the countless flaws in the movie. Many people and even my friends kept saying it was a masterpiece, so I was too scared to give my opinion and also said it was a masterpiece lol
I agree, I knew exactly what mcu was so I knew exactly what this movie would be. I was not scared to give my review on it though, I did trigger alot of people though. They were weirdly emotionally invested in this trash movie.
Not gonna lie, messing with the lives of people in alternate universes and potentially break reality without knowing much about it by saving VILLAINS is so irresponsible. That is not what responsibility means.
The only reason why people call it the best Spider-Man no way home Spider-Man movie ever made is because of Tobey and Andrew returning other than that it’s not that good
I think the cross over was overhyped tho tbh. Like people will get hyped just because they see 2 different Spider-Man’s on the same screen like what are you 10 years old? Lmao and the way they did it was stupid as hell. Fat kid uses stranges book which takes years to master and yet he simple twirls his hand with his eyes closed and says Peter Parker, a very half ass attempt really but yet it completely works and he summons both Peter Parker’s from the other films. STUPID. Worst part of the movie
Spiderman 1) Gave the glasses that controled the most advanced weapons on earth to Mysterio. 2) Destroyed the whole universe by forcing Dr Strange (the wisest "hero" in MCU) to make everyone forget that he is spiderman so as to go to a college (although he should be in jail) 3) Invited the villains to his aunt's house for some reason and therefore he is responsible for her death. and by the end of the movie is considered a hero.
Yes but this Peter is still a literal child. As far as we know he didn’t even have his Uncle Ben moment until Aunt May died. The entire trilogy is about him learning that being Spider-Man is about accepting responsibility and forgoing his dreams. He was naive and unwilling to let go of his “normal” life believing he could be both a superhero and a normal kid. At the end of No Way Home he finally grows up and gives up any normal life because he knows he has to.
So the only thing that electro needed to be better was Jammie Foxx being himself? If Jammie Foxx portrayed himself in TASM2 nobody would complain about electro.
Dude finally someone said it, I was scared of being osctracised for saying the same but this is the reality, No Way Home worked because of the build of 20 years and nostalgia factor and "OHH my god three spidermans from my childhood in one movie" factor The writing was so lazy, I mean the whole premises of the movie was that the movie exists because Peter is stupid and made too many changes in the spell, if Peter would have simply said "All the people that knew before should still remember and rest everyone should forget", the movie would have ended in 5 minutes It was just a money grab at best
this is not the reality, no it worked cuz it was good It was not lazy, no it was because Peter makes mistakes as Spider-Man does at times, that sentence does not even make any sense and is confusing so no it would not have ended in 5 minutes in fact it probably would have just made it longer Not at all it was not a money grab
@@jaydenc367 Yea it’s normal to make mistakes but not normal for 2 characters that are supposed to be smart to turn into actual r3tards in order for the entire plot to work
I literally didn’t notice the amount of times Peter publicly unmasked himself in front of strangers in this movie. He ran right through May’s office, completely recognizable as Spider-Man. If he wants to have his identity a secret so bad, maybe try a little better to cover it up once in a while?
While Peter wanting to save the villains is in character, the way they went about it was quite nonsensical and relied too much on audience sympathy. The audience who has watched the prior movies knows Doc Ock is redeemable, we’ve seen his good side and seen his redemption take place. However, Peter hasn’t. He has no reason to think Doc Ock is anything more than a psycho scientist with mechanical arms, who had know respect for civilian endangerment during their battle (one of the almost casualties being an infant) and who has a sadistic, vengeful personality, going as far to say “I should’ve killed your little girlfriend when I had the chance”. Furthermore, giving Otto a new chip shouldn’t just “make him good”. The arms weren’t mind controlling him, they were little devils on his shoulders encouraging him to finish his work no matter the cost. This took place after his dream was seemingly destroyed, along with his reputation and his work killed his wife. He was a man with nothing left to lose and with a bad influence the negative aspects of his personality came out in full. That’s why Peter was able to reason with him, he pulled Otto BACK from the edge and to get a handle on his demons. But apparently all they needed was a new chip? That entire scene where he decides to be a criminal wasn’t necessary then if it was all mind control, none of the well thought out and nuanced character work was necessary if it could all be undone in the time it takes Thanos to snap his fingers.
Funny how MUC reset spiderman at end Of NWH. Which basically means you can now skip homecoming and Far from home but you already paid for those so who cares they earned money and fooling audience. I also find it funny they really realised MCU messed up character of spiderman from the very beginning in civil war.
In the comics Peter Parker has a super genius IQ beyond Einstein or Stephen Hawking. So why in the movies is Peter portrayed as just a "smart kid"? When he goes to Strange to ask him about casting a spell to alter reality, he should have a well thought out list prepared telling Strange exactly what he wants and how he wants it done.
The plot wasn't planned right, because there is so many things that could easily prevent the plot from happening like Peter thinking a little or Dr Strange stopping to let him speak or just make the world forget what mysterio said etc
Or even if he’s not a super genius he’s supposed to at least have above average IQ and have the ability to think critically. His actions in NWH resemble those of someone who is mentally r3tarded
The way I understood it, Dr Strange was able to contain the spell before more people crossed over to their universe, so the rest of the infinite multiverse wouldn't get there unless the *unstable* spell broke free
@@RralRonaldo yeah it's a plot convenience for the audience that it was _only_ the guys from previous movies, but I'm only saying that that's why not everyone else got there until the climax when Goblin broke the spell
Thank God finally someone who gets it. I've had all these criticism about the current MCU Spiderman and also into this film. You nailed all my thoughts on the head and I'm glad to see that it isn't just me being blind sighted. Thanks for such a great and compelling video!
I think since Aunt May wasn't built up properly to say the line and the other Peters actually help mcu Peter more, I think it would have been better if the other Peters said the line. Maybe have Tobey start it and Andrew finishes it and then both Peters realize that this is another thing that connects them all. Idk
It hurts my head that fans petitioned this movie to win an Oscar Also Norman was absolutely complicit in helping his Green Goblin persona with his crimes in the original movie. Never once did he resist once he found out the goblin existed
Another thing,why does “Peter” get rejected from every school when he’s a literal genius?? I was so confused about that,also just ruining everyone elses lives just cause you can’t go to school doesn’t make you a hero. It makes you a simp.
@torresjosue98 I think it's because of the fact that everyone now knows that Peter is spiderman , the colleges won't want to associate themselves with him. I'm not sure why though
I’m confident they will stick with the position Peter’s in. If they were not, I don’t think they would put that much emphasis on the fact that nobody remembers him and I don’t think he would get a final swing as well.
I am so glad you talked about my least favorite part of the movie, nothing that happened was peters fault. Dr strange just did a dangerous spell for a child who knows nothing about magic, didnt explain anything, fucked it up, and blamed peter. This is all Strange's fault
I think comedy within Spider-Man movies makes sense considering he is comedic in the comics. However I think it should’ve been more seriously handled in this film as his identity has been discovered. He could’ve just been swinging back home ignoring Ned’s phone call, ignoring MJ’s questions, and just be in complete silence and shock swinging back to May who’s packing everything up and tells him they are going to move in with Happy for a while. I think they could’ve kept Otto’s sanity while looking for Peter and he teams up with Peter against Green Goblin before they are both summoned by Doctor Strange. The summoning of the other Spider-Men could’ve been done seriously as well with the slightest of comedic elements to fit their awkward characters. May’s death could’ve been perfect if she didn’t go on a long monologue and instead showed fear of death rocking Peter’s world completely upside down as she was the rock to his life. He goes on a rampage across the city looking for Goblin and is physically stopped by the Spider-Men and poses a challenge for them going for kill shots until MJ shows up to calm him down where he breaks down in her arms. They could’ve done the making of the villains cures more seriously too and even the villain comparisons at the Statue of Liberty could’ve been done without being forcefully funny. This honestly could’ve been an absolute masterpiece of a film. I love the film still but I’m not gonna lie like every marvel fan who circle jerk to the site of Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield but that did make me happy. Felt like my inner child got peace after seeing them get a conclusion, sort of. Edit: I think all the Spider-Man actors are amazing even Tom Holland. I blame the MCU writers who clearly have become the thing they originally did not want to be and it’s greedy. They know most fans are just average movie goers who only know about what’s on the screen and not in the comics. I never blame the actors or actresses for poor writing. The blame is all on the company at this point. Actors and actresses signed up on contracts you can’t back out 99% of the time. They are just doing their jobs
The problem is not having comedy, it’s having bad comedy. The comedy in the MCU is too Gen Z. The Raimi movies are hilarious while still being dramatic. Because Raimi’s campy humor is very similar to one of classic comics. And because he knows how to balance Comedy, Drama, and Horror without making it feel out of place
"To avoid confusion I will refer to them as different names. We'll have Tom, Andrew and Spiderman" Got a good laugh from me and all I could think of was Breaking Bads "You're god damn right" That line alone is enough to give a like.
Couldn't peter just ask strange to make everyone forget about the mysterio video? I mean it would make more sense than making it everyone forget he is spider-man if the video still exists and can be watched.
The fact that the first Into the Spiderverse movie only made 384 million, compared to how no way home made 1.91 billion (about 1,526,000,000$ more than the first Spiderverse made) should be a crime
My headcanon is that the characters that appear in this horrible movie are just variants of the characters we actually know and love, cuz god damn they were butchered so badly
Far From Home means he's literally on a vacation. Hence the title. No Way Home means there's no going back to his original life because of the start of the movie. Whether or not there was a spell, the world knew he was Spiderman. There's no going "Home" after that.
Finally somebody made a video about this. People act like your insane if you do not love that version of Spider-Man, when it’s just the stereotypical MCU main character, telling the same jokes, doing something dumb, that causes problems. The other Spider-Man actually had a good plot, character, and side characters.
It doesn’t even explain how the villains got there but I put together just by what the villains say in their cells after multiple times watching it that they got sent there when they found out Spider-Man was Peter. Norman didn’t know he died but if he came right before he did, he’d know he was about to. Doc Ock said “I had him by the throat” and that’s right after he found out it was Peter. Sandman found out at the end of SM3 so he says he just wants to go home cause that’s where he was headed anyways. Lizard found out in the sewer so that’s why he asked Electro if he knows if he died. And Electro said he was absorbing data and Oscorp had Peter monitored and also had stuff on Spider-Man so the data he collected probably put 2 and 2 together and plus, he didn’t even know what he looked like until after the battle in No Way Home. Very messy plot
The title "the best movie in phase 4" is the equivalent to a participation award. The rest sucked so badly they weren't given any.
Except Wakanda Forever. That's actually heartfelt because of the Oscar level acting of the actresses and Ryan Coogler
other than thor love and thunder.
@Za Az No, it wasn't.
@@suezcontours6653 What? Fucking no.
Multiverse is Madness it was a better film with better direction
Didn't get accepted into his dream school so he almost destroyed the world.
Reminds me of someone similar...
That guy was a real jerk !
Who?
It's like the Naruto handshake of dread meme.
@@aliciaechodumont2808 Adolf Hitler
@@aliciaechodumont2808 kanye west
The premise of Peter Parker almost ending the multiverse because he was bummed that he and his friend couldn’t get into MIT when he’s literally using Stark’s tech which is the best technology in said universe is absolutely mind boggling to me still to this day
The MCU stans will rip their hair out over this one. Saw some dumbass comment recently that Spider-Man is more scary compared to Batman when he’s angry because he was trying to Kill Green Goblin while Batman was trying to take down The Riddler. Whatever that is supposed to mean. Biggest cope I’ve seen in awhile.
@@larry2281 Sam Raimi' Spider-Man is more dark than Garfield & Holland's combined.
@@dr.feelgoodmalusphillips2475 I don’t disagree. Spiderman 1 and 2 are the two best spiderman movies imo. The MCU is way too light hearted. Don’t be surprised that if they reverse everything they did at the end of NWH.
@@larry2281 Whoever that dude is, most definitely has never touched a comic a day in his life. If anything Batman is scarier when he gets angry because dear god, he got ANGRY after Jason’s death, to the point he had full intention of destroying The Joker (Who became the Iranian ambassador to get legal protection from Batman) and even Superman had to intervene. If you have to get SUPERMAN, a being with Herculean strength and abilities to stop you, then you’re an absolute threat.
@@Zorro7269 fr, Batman is scarier than spiderman in any case. Not just when he’s angry. Don’t know who even compared the two.
College Woman also shouldn't have had her mind changed by the bridge fight. The whole reason they denied Peter was due to the danger he presents by simply being in an area, and him being on that bridge caused massive property damage. Why would the college give the thumbs up for that after their point was directly proven irl??
Because the movie is poorly written
Because he saved her life?
@@danielstevens8610 after he put her in mortal danger?
@@isaacsantos6200don’t break the kid’s heart, Iron Man already did it once..
Also,why couldn't college lady just go to the other fuckin door?!it's not like doc oc burned the other half of the car!
All the MCU Spider-Man movies are overrated
How can something be overrated when everyone is shitting on them?
Yeah
Tom Holland is overrated
@@Robin-be1zm Dumb comment!!!
Retarded on its face!!!
"OMG, 3 Spidermen, Raimi, October Octavious
FUCK OFF
@@darrengordon-hill "Retarded on its face!!!" XD
how old are you if I might ask? :)
"We'll have Tom, Andrew, and.. Spider-man." my favorite line ever spoken
Me too.. Tobey is The Spider-Man
I thought it exposed him as a pathetic Tobey fanboy. Andrew Garfield and Tom are better spider man than him. Tobey has the better story. I don't get the constant hate towards Andrew Garfield when he is actually the best spider man out of the 3
@@jacket2383You are correct
@@jacket2383ikr
@@jacket2383Tobey is the worst thing to ever happen to Spiderman imo. He was always wrong as both sides he was a terribly cringe too old Peter and a God awful Spiderman because Raimi went camp.
humor isnt the problem, its not being serious in serious moments.
Exactly.
But when the humor feels cheap that's also a problem. If it was utilized better people wouldn't have issues with it. I do agree that treating the serious moments with the weight they deserve is needed.
Yes, but it’s also the fact that the MCU humor is AWFUL.
@Johnnysmithy24 It's a lot of gags and they don't really attempt other kinds of humor
Deadpool and Spiderman always crack jokes tho… it’s their character. But characters like Thor, Hulk and Cap shouldn’t be like that at all.
I absolutely hate how Green Goblin smashed his mask with some bs reason, if they really wanted no mask they could’ve had it destroyed in a fight. I’m sad cause the look is so iconic. The lizard looks strange as well
I think they partially did that because Willem Dafoe said the mask was hard to breathe in. When they filmed 2002 spiderman he could only wear it for a few minutes at a time, so I believe removing it was a condition of him returning. (I still agree it should've been broken in a fight or some other way, that would've been cooler)
@@Nigel-nv3lr If that is true, they could have just used CGI to make him have the mask on his face. Just like they did with Iron Man.
@@nerychristianehhh. I’d rather have what they gave us then a CGI helmet with “Disney” money
@@nerychristian
A bit late, but-
Why not make an improved mask? Ij the countless years in costume design, we've found plenty of ways to improve costumes. To refine them and so on! It shouldn't be hard for DISNEY and the MCU, with their deep pockets. To make theses costumes physically. Having CGI be used as a tool rather than a crutch.
The lizard was shit bro so was Garfield’s movies, he’s a hood actor but he sucked as spidey. And the cgi in nwh was atrocious, look at how they highlighted green goblins uniform….. He looked hideous
I feel like Far From Home would be a better name for this film since The Characters are literally snatched from their Universes to a different one
The titles refer to what Spiderman is going through.
@@livingashtree1942Yeah i know
@@GT_rising24 so no way home is a more fitting title
@@livingashtree1942 no tf it ain’t Lmfao. Far from home is fitting. No way home barely makes sense
@yeetness the greater "No way home" refers to how by the end of the movie his entire life drastically changes with no way back to how it used to be.
The first Iron Man movie should have been the benchmark for all solo MCU movies and The Avengers should have been the one for team-up movies. I don't understand how they manage to screw up so many stuff they got right a decade earlier.
Seals that clap for ANYTHING "Marvel"!!
IMAGINE using "Ms Marvel" to launch the MCU...
The first Avengers sucked. It was genuinely terrible, and I never got the appeal. While Iron Man was well received not every movie should be done like Iron Man.
i agree but even Iron Man and Avengers had rotten finales (Avengers’ gigantic flaw being that the aliens all instantaneously drop dead when their mother ship was destroyed, wHaT?!?!?)
@@pauldavidartistclub6723 Yeah, the finale of The Avengers sucks in that regard, I agree.
@@GalahadTheSeekereven Whedon knew he fucked up, but couldn't find a way to get rid of the Chitauri invasion
It is the best of phase four... Whatever the compliment you can take from that.
Best piece of crap out of the crap pile
Atleast iron boy jr is finally growing tf up
i think black widow was good until act 3, some of the shows were good too
@@hipp0_yt I can't stand the shows because they waste so much time with dumb filler and She-Hulk was a dumpster fire.
Dude finally someone said it, I was scared of being osctracised for saying the same but this is the reality, No Way Home worked because of the build of 20 years and nostalgia factor and "OHH my god three spidermans from my childhood in one movie" factor
The writing was so lazy, I mean the whole premises of the movie was that the movie exists because Peter is stupid and made too many changes in the spell, if Peter would have simply said "All the people that knew before should still remember and rest everyone should forget", the movie would have ended in 5 minutes
It was just a money grab at best
I throughly enjoyed this film while in the theater and everyone’s energy was buzzing. I cannot stress how hyped I was to see tobey on screen- my favorite Spider-Man, my childhood obsession.
However, even while on the way home, I was questioning the many plot holes and loose ends. I slowly began to hate this movie, especially how they ruined Doc Oct’s character. Otto had overcome the chip in the end of his movie to save Peter Parker. He was already redeemed, Holland’s Spider-Man didn’t need to save him. Sandman got to keep his morality intact why couldn’t Doc?
It was a great experience to see after not going see a movie opening weekend for two years. But the rewatchability just isn’t there. In fact, I would actively avoid seeing it again because I would just get upset with all the bullshit I missed the first time around. These characters had endings. Marvel dug them up to beat a dead horse for the nostalgia points and even I fed into that temporarily
So many times I get over the high of seeing a hyped film and the comraderie of the shared theater experience and realize soon after the movie was crap like that Batman with Bane in it.
They had to lose Doc's character progression to shoe horn him in this gimmick of a movie.
Pretty sure Doc Ock was pulled from the moment he grabbed Peter by the neck.
At the point he hadn't fully redeemed himself. Peter hadn't even given the speech yet. So you're assessment is incorrect.
I had the same experience with the last season of GoT 🤣
@@SuperWeedPower oh god, don’t get me started. I could tell every actor and crew member were just giving it their all… the writing was just so god awful.
It’s been years and it still elicits a visceral reaction from me. I just saw this notification and jumped on it instantly because of my passion over how the writers ruined what had the potential to be the greatest tv show of my time
This is exactly what I've been saying. I do want to add though that May's death was ruined by the fact that she encouraged Peter to bring the villains to the apartment. There's no lesson to learn here. Either it was an irresponsible move (it was), which means has no business talking about responsibility, or it was a responsible move (it wasn't), which means that responsibility leads to Peter losing his loved ones. Add to this the fact that this woman is perfectly fine with underage nephew fighting crime and you learn why in my rewrite I gave the line to Toby.
Thank you i said this the moment I watched the film
That wasn't ruined by that at all though. There is a lesson to lean here and that's that being a hero will always come with consequences , it wasn't a irresponsible move, no it was a responsible move, it doesn't exactly or at least directly lead to that. Well yeah...that makes sense really.
@@jaydenc367 It was wildly irresponsible to take powerful, criminal and unstable entities into an apartment building with other people without any kind of back up plan if they go rouge.
It is very much irresponsible to bring criminals and murderers who have killed many humans to an unsecured apartment from their respective jail. They would have killed thousands of people but the film just ignores this possibility and plays it for laughs but this was a serious threat to other normal residents who lived there.
@@jaydenc367 try to do a jail breakout and take the criminals who killed many people to your apartment, it won't be a crime according to your logic 😮
I read the title and had to say thank you for saying this. I liked the movie, but once you're past the nostalgia bait it's not as good as people say it is.
Waaa was nostalgia bad me big big adult
@@Gamfluent Does it make you feel like a big boy about responding to a year old comment and remotely think the response relevant? Curious. I think it's adorable that you act like a child, but I just have to know if it makes you feel like you put on your big boy pants.
@@HeavyMetalJesus02 your seething is hilarious, all your insults reek of “I’m angry at the world”
@Gamfluent It's weird because it's like a projector has gained sentience, and I am barely managing a conversation with one. How does it feel to seethe at a year old comment?
@@HeavyMetalJesus02 bro is malding so hard he can’t even come up with something creative
I love Dafoe’s Goblin, but Disney didn’t understand it. Yes, he had a split personality in the first film, but they weren’t entirely removed from each other. Norman drove himself insane but he always had at least a hand in the Goblin’s atrocities. There was nothing the Goblin did that wasn’t wanted or needed by Norman. Disney made him to be entirely dissociative which doesn’t even make sense since he was supposedly plucked at the end of Spider-Man one when he was literally acting as both Norman and the Goblin to kill Peter. They make it out like his psyche completely snapped. Which could work, but it can’t be offscreen. If Willem Dafoe wasn’t in this film, the Goblin would be as forgettable as the rest.
it was super jarring to me how they made him a split personality... what's the point...
And they cured his mental illness with a serum that peter cooked up in 5 minutes. God the more I think about this movie, the more I'm disappointed.
alberti is wrong if he thinks goblin is better here than he was in the trilogy.
Norman Osborn Mirror Scene is the proof
They did understand it though. They kinda were though. Did he reallly? True but Norman here has changed more as a person. It does make sense as Norman himself has changed to be a better person, he realized his mistake at the end and showed he cared for his son, so it does make sense. Which is what happened. It wasn't offscreen though. Not true at all, and the rest weren't forgettable either.
@@b_a_t_m_a_n_ Well Peter is smart and he needed help and it was longer then just 5 minutes. Why is that?
WAAAAAAAAAAY overrated. I hated Tom Holland's Spiderman, but not because of Tom Holland. I just didn't like how they turned his character into a bumbling moron that needed two better and smarter spidermen to save his sorry butt. It's like he constantly accidentally bumbled his way into saving the day.
Realll
He was way smarter and better in civil war
Plus he's not even a funny Spiderman
@@TheyCallMe_TCcivil war is arguably the best avengers movie and only good avengers movie.
Agreed
I completely agree with everything you said - especially how they totally massacred Dr. Strange’s character in this film. This was a good film but not nearly the masterpiece everyone made it out to be. I think our standards have dropped so low due to the Disney MCU sausage maker of tv shows and films that this was better than expected. Thanks so much for pointing out all the inconsistencies too; it was refreshing to have my concerns validated. This was a really solid product - thanks for making it.
Calling it a good movie is just wrong. It’s decent
@@yeetnessthegreater1298 calling it decent is just wrong. It's bad but the last had some really good moments that isn't enough to save it as a whole but I still like the movie and had fun with it.
is funny cause dr strange was actually on point,and the mcu has always been bad
59:10 I don’t trust Disney/MCU to give Spiderman the love he need
? Dr. Stranges character died in Infinity War lmfao
Surprised you didn't have more of an issue with May's death scene. I was furious because she gets to her feet and helps Peter up, which shouldn't be the case because she's injured and he's Spider-man. Then proceeds to bleed out to her death. Peter could have wrapped her up with webs and swung her to a hospital. He has used his webs in this way several times in the comics, including a case where he saved May this way.
Then Peter sits there and cries. And it cuts to the next sequence. ...
I was anticipating a moment of pure anger following May's death. This would give us a chance to see a darker, rage-fueled, gritty, Peter chase Goblin. Swinging through the city chasing Goblin's glider. Instead, we got this bullshit.
Tom would’ve done such a good job acting the scene if he had become enraged after her death. Can you imagine? He would’ve used his powers mercilessly and then we could’ve gotten a great scene where he truly understands the line “great responsibility”. It would’ve been very relatable to viewers. Sigh. Missed opportunity.
@@tragerec they already had him being responsible he told ironman in captain america 3!
@@tragerec or maybe just don’t add that line at all. He’s learned it already. It’s honestly just forced at this point not every spiderman movie needs it lol
It really has gotten to a point where literally anyone can come up with a better MCU film synopsis.
Different people react differently to grief.
There are victims of IEDs that have walked around for a while before realizing the level of damage they received, it's because of the shock, which May was certainly in.
How is sealing the external injury gonna help if she has a punctured organ or more? She'll still die of internal bleeding anyway and those tend to act super fast regardless.
Sandman dosent make sense. He wants to see his daughter so why is he fighting against spiderman. Electro tells him they arent going back
In his own words “he doesn’t care”
@@fatmanjstyle5306 makes even less sense
@@kayag8 true lol
Sandman wants the box to go back to his daughter. He doesn't care about being cured or the other villain's getting cured. But Peter and the villains' couldn't let him go back because If Sandman went back it would send all of the other villain's back and some of them would die. There is a brief fight scene between Electro and Sandman at the end where Electro says "Sorry to say Sandman but nobody is going home!" and electro blasts Sandman in the face. But Sandman helps the Lizard and Electro after reforming so he can take the box for his own ends. He's not really on the villans side, he's just using them to beat the three Spidermen to grab the box. It makes sense but isn't explained very well. It would have been best to just not have him in the movie.
@@LonelyGothGirl That sort of makes sense, but then it means his character doesn't deserve the forgiveness he earned in Spider-Man 3. He's still just an opportunistic criminal.
It took Ironboy 3 solo movies and multiple crossover movies to learn that with great power comes great responsibility.
This implies that up until now he was just doing this for a narcissistic joyride.
NWH Made that very clear: he only went to doctor strange because he couldn’t go to fucking school, not because he was accused of terrorism nope that’s fine, but I can’t go to college now? Erase everyone’s memories
MCU Peter is like MHA Deku: he’s a hero just cos it’s cool
He was doing it all for the nookie
@Greg Elchert they fucked up that plot point with the whole flash book joke.
So two people who claimed to be friends with Peter can’t get accepted into college because of the controversy, but a nigga CAN WRITE A BOOK that says he’s SPIDER-MAN’S BEST FRIEND and not only get it published but still get into MIT?? 🤣🤣
Disney and SONY sacrificed giving us Spider-Man vs Sinister 6 cuz “DC doing FLASH so we need spiderverse.” It was a movie that should NOT have been the ending to Spider-Man’s first trilogy. That left Scorpion end credit scene from 1st film in the garbage, along with the post credit scene of 500 Mysterio drones from 2nd film. We could have had Scorpion be the villain along with the rest of the SINISTER 6. Spiderverse could have been the 1st Spider-Man film of the beginning of the MULTIVERSE SAGA.
To be fair if you were a hormonal unremarkable teenager that was suddenly blessed with extraordinary abilitys that allow you to stop a bus with your bare hands and put any normal human no matter how strong they are to shame in a fight as well as becoming a superhero and working with the most famous superheros/celebrities on earth you would most likely be in for that "narcissistic joy ride" as well.
The hypocrisy is immense in accepting Electro’s change. I find most of the criticism for TASM2 baffling, including Electro when it’s logical, simple and not comedic, which more than anything in NWH and the original Spidermen. There was a reason Electro looked like he did and there is no consistency or explanation in changing him.
Except for his teeth. I agree
That's right, his whole character was about being unable to stand out against a blank wall, so his personality and appearance made sense for that movie.
So yeah, it's a weak reason to praise the new one and dunk on the old one just because of personal feelings and preferences. Specially when it doesn't make sense how his personality and appearance changed so drastically.
I saw it as cheap pandering, honestly.
My wife pointed this out. We watched TASM 1 and 2 before NWH and both left disappointed. She's not a big superhero fan but she said NWH was completely inconsistent in characterizations from the previous movie. Felt like they just used the actors to write all new characters that had no connection to the originals
@@shanonsnyder9450 Yep the characterisation was terrible. Lip service about how the characters were arbitrarily, simplistically characterised over intervening years as an attempt to put a capstone on the capstone of their own movies (heroes); or substituting with different characters using the same actors, played entirely straight story wise, but the only purpose is for cheap humour (villains).
It’s sad that they didn’t capitalise on the ramifications that Mysterio caused in the last movie. Having a world where Peter is now a walking target to the point where he’s now at risk to his family and friends with his identity exposed is something we’ve never seen before. Something fresh and new. You could have this be the movie that builds on the Scorpion being given his suit via the press and Jameson to track down and hunt Peter Parker. The film could be a clever metaphor for media watchdogs using unscrupulous acts to take down something they perceive as a threat whereas they’re the ones acting like monsters. Have maybe even Kraven try and track down the wanted superhero too for his own moral code. Have Peter and SSU Eddie Brock or even Daredevil team up to try and clear his name by revealing Mysterio’s deceptions. That would’ve made for an awesome movie!
Fanservice is all well and good, but when it’s at odds with a story that actually will benefit the ongoing narrative instead of just rebooting it from the ground up, it just feels like the journey leading up to it was a waste of time.
I know, it was very disappointing that they didn't follow through with the plot hint that they left us.
Your post deserves to be pinned. Your premise sounds way better than whatever forced teen drama this final product planned out.
You are right! The film totally forgot about the Scorpion even though he showed up in Homecoming post credit scene.
And seeing what Michael Mando was capable of in Far Cry 3 and Better Call Saul, it’s a bummer that Marvel wasted his talent.
I would have enjoy your story either both.
Exactly! The movie could follow your plot and by the third act Peter "clears" his reputation as a killer but realizes that will be consequences for his identity being revealed.
His friends and family were already targeted by Kraven for example, we could make it so that he is the one who kills Aunt May. This will make Peter realize that as long as people know he's Spiderman his friends will be in constant danger so he makes the hard choice and goes to Doctor Strange to make everyone forget who he is.
I feel so incredibly validated by your thoughts on the spell scene, whole movie could’ve been avoided if the smartest man in the room actually used his brain. But no
that's the thing: the movie needed tô happen
Strange doing the spell made him look really dumb.
It's a movie!! You dumb ass
I cannot stand how they treated Dock Ock… They threw him out the window made fun of his name, and his powers, used him for tentacle jokes and locked him up for about 20 minutes not doing anything… THIS IS THE DOCK OCK!! And that’s what y’all did with him?! 😭😭😭😭😭
No way home gave me nothing. There’s just too much comedy in this film. The death of aunt may did nothing for a lot of people because she was just used for a sex symbol for a joke. 🤯
No the whole more funny = better started because of guardians of the galaxy which did really well. After it’s success, the rest of the mcu tried to be just like them.
Guardians know comedic timing & when it's appropriate to make jokes. Marvel now just has characters constantly cracking jokes, even during serious scenes robbing them of any kind of emotional impact. If the movie doesn't take itself seriously then why should I? Not To mention the "jokes" are lame dad jokes. I hate how now in MCU movies everything is mocked and cynical, like in this movie how the characters make fun of Doc Ock's name. It's the writer's contempt for the source material. Thanks movie for pointing out Otto Octavius is a ridiculous name, it's not funny or clever just obnoxious. No one can have genuine feelings or conviction for anything, everyone has to be super sarcastic all the time like an insufferable teenager who thinks he's being edgy and is above it all. Trying to turn 90%:of their movies into bad comedies has completely backfired and turning every character into Tony Stark light is moronic.
@@rootfish2671 I miss when blockbusters were actually funny. Like Pirates of the Caribbean.
@@rootfish2671 You made me appreciate more the joke Sam Rami's film made about Doc Ock's name.
"A man named "Otto Octavius" winds up with eight limbs. What are the odds?"
@@rootfish2671 in the first Guardians they had an effin Dance Off, that's the most childish thing I have ever seen on the big screen, including child movies
One more thing to add some 80% of these villain will not have their fate change at all
Doc Ock being fixed would not saving him from dying. as when he goes sent back he will be on the exact same spot before he left and that is when the reactor went out of control and Ock is the only one that can stop it so he would still sacriice himself anyway and Peter literally changes nothing in this movie
Same with Electro who's in the middle of receiving ton of electric power surge. he no longer have his power means he will immediately burn to crisp by the electrical power he receive
Lizard and Sandman were literally just fine and not in any danger to be killed by Spiderman anyway and Norman is the only one who his fate change by Peter effort
They also didn't explain how these characters were attached to their universes. Toby is years past those events, yet he sends them back to...the past? Alternative universes? Didn't they just condemn their alternate versions to not learning their lessons? None of this is explained in the movie.
It's just like the snap in endgaame.. Not only should nothing on this planet be able to hold those stones, let alone destroy tony and his suit, but a human being cannot be able to hold 2 stones.. Even if he did, his mind isn't powerful enough, and we saw what it did to hulk's arm...
Didn't Norman just go back and get stabbed anyways, or at the very least got arrested and thrown in prison.
@@thecensoredmuscle563 No. consider he still have his mask and was on top of his glider when he enter MCU it was Norman way before he got stabbed
if he pulled back just before he got stabbed he wouldn't have his glider
I don't know if anyone already said this, but the black suit Peter wears is just his regular suit with the insides out. You can see sort of wires and tech stuff on the surface because it's the tech from inside the suit. That's why it quickly changed colors @20:07, Peter just wore it the normal way.
I’m already dismissing this video for this mistake and his very mono toned voice.
Was only truly done to sell toys.
@@joeydrakeward4077 lol
He says fair points tho, no need to get hurt, fanboy
@@webdrivertorso9998 What good points. It was hard to stay awake as his monotone put me a sleep. Fanboy. How original, come up with that yourself?
@@joeydrakeward4077 so you are dismissing the entire video because of his 'monotoned voice' (which is just a regular voice) and because he made a mistake about what that black suit was?
He isn't shitting on the movie for no reason and gives it credit where it's due.
Also, what voice do you expect from a videoessay narration? Too hard to listen, huh? Go back to watching cartoons then
Literally the only noteworthy and/or good parts of this movie were the acting, Aunt May’s death scene, the conversations between Andrew, Tobey, and Tom, Andrew saving MJ, the fights between Tom and Green Goblin, and Tobey’s conversation with Doc Ock and all the character assassinations, horrible world building, and confusing plot holes pretty much destroy the immersion of the good stuff.
Why did Aunt May have to die? It's the same way they unnecessarily killed Queen Ramonda in Wakanda Forever. WTF?
Aunt mays death scene was cringe and forced. Talk about terrible acting
@@jacobfilasky2729 in your incorrect opinion
@@kplayzxp2376 not at all. I’m just not a gullible kid that falls for every new and upcoming piece of left woke shit
@@jacobfilasky2729 you just described the Ben death in Tobeys film to a T
Amazing as a fan service movie not great as movie itself is what I think of it
BASED
True
Yeah, just change the actors for equally competent ones but not as iconic or nostalgic, then you can see it's pretty mid
you just explained exactly why i say tom spider-man is so corny. i personally like andrew because he’s so laid back, does the classic quips & fights like spidey. peter may act out a bit too much at times but andrew always finds a way to keep a balance between peter being his sarcastic, snarky, clever & sometimes cocky self. just wish the movies were directed better
Tom's Peter acts too much like a kid. And not a regular kid either, like a really annoying one, despite being 18.
@@codafettI'd say he acts more like a 15-16 year old than someone heading to college in a few weeks
@@AleTitan he said that he's 15 years old in movie
@@codafett hes not really annoying in nwh idk what youre on about
🤣i aint expect u 2 be here wtf but fr i agree andrew is the better spiderman
Issue with Nostalgia-Powered Movies is: if you never grew up with the originals, there's no Nostalgia to power the movie. If the Best Part about the Movie is Nostalgia, then it fails to capture to those who never experienced it
so a multiverse movie won’t work if you’re not aware of the other universes? holy shit! 😱
@@tookool4skool98
Wow! Almost like you never heard of Into The Spider-Verse, and Everything Everywhere, All at Once😱😨🤯
Can you misrepresent my Argument further?
18:15 This idea is still fresh in my mind but given that Spider-Man is wearing a Black Suit, they have the PERFECT reason for Sandman to be aggressive and on guard at this moment of confusion.
:O
That scene always annoyed me. Sandman isn't one of the most critically thinking people yes. But in the two times he's seen 'spider-men clad in black,' one is with a bloodthirsty maniac, and the other tried to murder him on the spot. He had every reason to distrust Tom's Peter, even after Spider-Man 3 ended. Maybe not enough for a full on fight scene, but def enough to not fully commit to his plan
There's probably a comparison I could be making here, but it's late and I'm tired. Just felt like voicing my feelings on this
@@minejack7773 It would make sense but I really don't think the writers actually thought that far ahead
Dang, you're absolutely right! That would've made his team-up with Electro against any better judgement make more sense, if only a little.
The fact that most of the fans come up with ideas like these and the writers still somehow choose the laziest and most lame ones baffles me.
Carried by nostalgia. Standards have been lowered for a long time, people still think endgame wasn't a mid plothole filled mess
But at least it was an ending to a saga and not at all a cash cow move. Should’ve been the overall ending of the Mcu but they slaughtering
Nostalgic bait has been around for a long time you know that right ???
Since like they first made movies it’s a marketing technique
Most of the mcu is bad if you think about it.. Ironman 1 and a few others(like 4 or 5 at most) are good... Endgame has so many plotholes and bad jokes, and doesn't have to include what they did to Hulk... Fanboys talk about him holding a building from collapsing as if it was the entire building, and doing the snap as if Tony didn't do it minutes later... The snap shouldn't even be taking place on earth if it becomes 'ground zero' for whatever reason Rocket said... And a virgin Captain America, Mr 'I can do this all day' runs away from responsibility and people he came to love as family and put his life on the line for them, at 35 years old, to be with a woman.. Lol... Thor, a literal god, becomes a drunk because he failed in his duties.. Is that even Odin's son?? Clint carrying the soul stone like it's nothing.. Every 5 minutes of that movie has a big problem
@@kaybiggmaybe because Thor saw his father, brother, sister his planet, his best friend, half of his people, and some of his friends died? 💀
I agree with everything you’ve mentioned in this video except Andrew’s Spider-Man being the worst. I can understand not liking TASM films but there was nothing with Andrew’s Peter/Spider-Man. At least Andrew’s was more accurate and consistent than Tom’s version
Halfway through the vid and already hate this guy lol. agreed what he said throughout the vid except his hate for Andrew
I think Andrew’s Spider-Man had the best redemption by saving MJ
Andrew Garfield is the most comic accurate and coolest Spiderman. Any Spidey nerd who has read the comics would realise this.
andrew is the most accurate and clearly everyone's favorite in the film
@@FlyingShadow11 Speak for yourself, lmaoooo
I've been saying this for ages. The film is a 6/10. The Nostalgia is the only reason it's successful imo. The writing is really crap.
It's all "Remember this?! Remember that?!"
@@rootfish2671 *Remember this?* I cLaP! *Remember that?* i ClAp!
That was literally the entire movie. Not to say I didn't like the movie, there were things I liked like Goblin, You know I'm something of a scientist myself, Goblin...I just realised...there is still not much about this film that is genuinely good.
I’d give it like a 2
@@DOOM_guyEditz433 Yh I was being generous with that score. It does range from 2-4/10. My enjoyment of the film was worthy of a 6/10, but the film itself...nah...
@@HoDoBoDo it's shocking how much they dumbed down Dr. Strange for plot contrivances, it's like they just turned in a rough draft for the script and immediately approved it
I hate it when bad CGI in modern films is called "PS2 quality", when we've advanced so much that it's very clearly "Mid-Tier PS3" quality.
Bad CGI is Bad CGI, but I agree. PS2 quality CGI would be The Rock in that one scorpion king movie.
Yea. I feel Like people Are just more sensitive to it than others so they Blow the lack of qualify out of proportion.
20:05 Slight mistake. His costume never changed. His “black and gold” outfit was just his normal suit but it’s inside out because of the green paint bomb earlier in the movie. Aunt May just got around to getting the paint off of his suit.
Where was the scene where paint was thrown at him and can't find it in the movie?
@@warpitexis2341 I think we saw it in a recording during Betty Brant’s news report near the start of the movie.
No Way Home reminds me of that scene in Thor where they are having a pantomime that tells the story of Thor and Loki and all the general public are there for the theatre. It's like a caricature of a movie. Like when Doc Oc arrives and just says the line "The power of the sun, in the palm of my hand". No prompt, just appears and says that.
i have to disagree with the andrew thing.
holland is the worst of the three. andrew actually felt like spidey and as the ny icon the character is in the comics, it criticized the 'vengeance' trope in superhero movies (both captain stacy and gwen died after spidey defeated his villains, giving much more time for the grieving and having peter regret because of his irresponsibility, while in movies like the avengers, coulson's death was used just as a keystone to make the avengers do something against loki) and peter is a human, he's going to commit mistakes, and the movie punishes peter for commit those mistakes, like desobeying captain stacy and making gwen his girlfriend again, killing her off because of peter's mistakes.
i just think those movies treated the grieving and the punishment way better than this one, and they deserve credit for doing it.
but yeah, venom movies suck.
Exaaactly. The only problem the amazing movies have is sony rushing bad villains and shifting focus from good story to setting up future movies and other deals. Andrew's Spidey is much more like the real Spider-Man than Tom.
I agree
??? ANDREW IS WORST BREAKING PROMISE TO A DYING MEN AFTER BEN'S DEMISE CLEARLY SHOWS HE IS WORST, ON'T FORGET THE RHINO TRUCK CHASE CHASE WHERE HE IS JOKING WITH RHINO INSTEAD OF STOPPING HIM , AND HE BLOWS UP CARS RIGHT IN FRONT OF ANDREW . HE ALLOWED RHINO TO KILL PEOPLE FOR THE SAKE OF JOKES
@@zubinchadha6489 First of all: don't scream, weirdo.
Second: The movie kills Ben, Captain Stacy and Gwen for being an asshole and ignoring his own promise. It punishes Peter for those mistakes, my entire comment was dedicated to that. It seems that you don't have reading comprehension.
@@jaski4022 first of all you don't know the meaning of the word scream , and scream is a word for audio not text weirdo. Peter was an asshole for ignoring his promise , remember tasm 1 ending "THOSE ARE THE BEST KINDS", I have the ability to see things but you don't , peter keeps making mistakes after mistakes the guy even allows rhino to blow up cabs and kill people for the sake of making jokes, the guy gets gwen killed by stopping her from going to UK, by webbing cringy "I LOVE YOU" on a bridge, he turns his back on HARRY, he steals rodrigo's identity in oscorp and gets him kicked out . Andrew was the worst but I just keep him above holland, because garfield did carry his own movies by himself unlike iron boy junior who just survives because of MCU label, rdj 's heavy marketing and cameos in homecoming, banking on endgame's hype for far from home (the movie was a sequel to endgame), or using nostalgia bait for nwh. But still it doesn't change the fact that garfield was super irresponsible even after Ben's demise something which spider=man would never do
I've said it before and i'll say it again: the MCU should have ended at Endgame. The word end is even in the title.
I haven’t seen any other marvel films since Endgame but Spider Man FFH and NWH I didn’t like NWH everything should have ended with The Infinity Saga
This film only works as a turn your brain off event, if you watch it by yourself at home it feels wrong
@@bilbobaggins9451 I know it’s a problem that’s why I commented it
I’m glad that you release these videos because while I do enjoy this movie a lot, you ask the real questions and point out flaws in the story that I would never notice
Yea this movie is 5 or 6.5 for me now that I look back at it (still love it though). Honestly, the comedy really worked for me when Tobey and Andrew showed up. Sure, they were mostly or all references, but they just hit different (I can admit it's mostly cause of nostalgia). Overall, this is really the only phase 4 thing that I could watch again and again (maybe Hawkeye too).
Irrelevant. you liked hawkeye
@@jayhassan976 Hawkeye and No way home are both ass
@@jayhassan976 irrelevant, your name is Jay
@@General11band Jay is a pretty dogshit name, the A and Y are pretty much silent. How you gonna have lip when two thirds of your name is irrelevant
May's death pevees me so bad. Why in gods name was may in the apartment while supervillians were in the apartment? How could peter be so stupid to allow this to happen? I wish they could have had peter try to talk may out of being at the apartment and have her insist on staying because she wants to help. Then at least peter has something to feel bad about
Spiderman defeating strange with “math” has to be one of the most cringe fight scenes I’ve ever seen in a movie
There's an easy way they could have still had everyone know Toby was Spider-Man without him immediately exposing himself and being out of character
MJ: We were looking for Peter Parker
Toby: That's me. I'm Peter Parker
MJ: So does that mean you're Spider-Man in your world too?
Toby: . . . crap
Great video, very funny. I've never seen anyone speak critically of this film
I'm glad someone else noticed this film for what it is.
The whole mcu is super overrated, its amazing how a bunch of really mediocre movies make tons of money and get decent reviews
Saying the whole thing is overrated is a foolish statement
Because nobody takes the minority that doesn't like the MCU seriously.
I enjoyed phase 1, but then again I was in high school and freshman in college in phase 1. But with each phase it for worse and worse.
@@nkatekomalongete1086exactly nobody gives a shit about these morons
Cinema is overrated, staring into a wall for two hours is real entertainment
Toby, that's the only reason people wanted to see this movie 😂
No surprisingly Andrew had the most hype
@@lilstupidahhboy5155it was actually tobey , yes ppl like Andrew too but 2 whole generations has been waiting to see Tobey since 2008. Kids most likely Caught SM3 with Venom while the Old heads watched the Whole Trilogy .
The problem with MCU is it's audience that has a tendency to settle for less than the best.
I'm a fan of Marvel but I completely agree with all your opinions, this movie was practically made to distract people from the other bad movies in phase 4.
I find it weird where they say that all the villains die, because not all of them do. Sandman and Lizard don’t die in their universe.
Every single spiderman stoey is him learning he cant be a hero and normal at the same time
It's worse in the current comics which is just misery porn, Peter is not allowed any kind of happiness.
With power comes... chargers.
Homecoming is a Genuinely good spiderman movie, even with all the jokes. It takes itself seriously by the end of the film and has a great villain that isn't treated like a joke
It was very generic
@@Notactiveatalllllwell, with modern marvel you either get generic, constant forced jokes or a genuine shit movie. Which is really sad.
All the MCU spider man moves are good
It's a terrible Spider-Man movie because it relies so heavily on Iron Man setting up Peter's conflicts
@@codafett That sounds kinda dumb
i swear like while the actors acted their asses off (for the most part) i think people need to realise that no way home was just as poorly written, contrived, and pandering as literally everything else in phase 4 but was just FILLED with some of the best memmba berries just like endgame was and so both movies were look upon as 'good and even in saddly many's eyes as 'masterpieces'.......
The only reason iron man 1 was good, was because they still had to keep the tone of the fox X-men films and Sony Spider-Man films. Those are the real stuff, the mcu is a joke circus
Interesting
The most aggregious thing to me, aside from the whole spell BS, was that Aunt May's death was just pointless as far as Tom Holland goes. He learns nothing, we don't get to see a growth from it unlike Sam Raimis Peter. Just no weight to any of this film. Just fan service.
*egregious
Yea it really felt like they were just like “we need to have a sad moment somewhere in the movie, so let’s just kill off aunt may”. Just so stupid
Far from home he spends the 80%of the movie in italy. No way home he losses his home and by the life that he knew. He can literally never go back home.
The problem with this whole MIT drama was poor and inconsistent writing. You've established your Peter as much different than what we saw and how he was technically very much affiliated with Stark Industries the biggest corporation in your universe and then try to shove a teenage problem which would definitely not bother him. Of course he didn't care about himself but more about his friends but I really think one call to Happy could have fixed all thar
Yup
"Willem Dafoe does all his own stunts"
My brain: You know what he means by that
Me: Imagines Willem Dafoe slamming Tom Holland through an apartment building floor
Peter Parker was to childish nobody saw Toby laughing when he heard the name Otto octavius
People really ignored the flaws or atleast failed to see the flaws in this film because of how much hype they had. This movie relied too much on fanservice and nostalgia. The first time I watched NWH, I really didn't like it that much-- Why? Well because I wasn't that hyped to see this film. Because before I even watched it, I knew it would just be pure fanservice and nostalgia. Don't get me wrong, I grew up watching Raimi's Trilogy and I freaking loved those movies. I also watched The Amazing Spiderman 1&2 (i thought they were alright).
I'm not hating on this movie just because I wanna be that guy that has "different" opinion than most people. No, I actually watched this movie thinking it was gonna be okay, nothing to crazy, and I was right. I'd say it's not even that good, even tho I still enjoyed some of it. Anyways, because I wasn't caught in the hype I could notice the countless flaws in the movie. Many people and even my friends kept saying it was a masterpiece, so I was too scared to give my opinion and also said it was a masterpiece lol
I agree, I knew exactly what mcu was so I knew exactly what this movie would be. I was not scared to give my review on it though, I did trigger alot of people though. They were weirdly emotionally invested in this trash movie.
Not gonna lie, messing with the lives of people in alternate universes and potentially break reality without knowing much about it by saving VILLAINS is so irresponsible. That is not what responsibility means.
THANK YOU! Exactly what I was saying
The only reason why people call it the best Spider-Man no way home Spider-Man movie ever made is because of Tobey and Andrew returning other than that it’s not that good
Do Spider-Man's the best superhero
@@samuelarriaza1283I agree
Yeah, I liked this movie mostly because of the other Spider-Men and Doc Oct and Green Goblin. Outside of them, it's just meh.
I think the cross over was overhyped tho tbh. Like people will get hyped just because they see 2 different Spider-Man’s on the same screen like what are you 10 years old? Lmao and the way they did it was stupid as hell. Fat kid uses stranges book which takes years to master and yet he simple twirls his hand with his eyes closed and says Peter Parker, a very half ass attempt really but yet it completely works and he summons both Peter Parker’s from the other films. STUPID. Worst part of the movie
Not just because of that but because of the action and the story and the action and tom spider men grows a lot as well
Spiderman
1) Gave the glasses that controled the most advanced weapons on earth to Mysterio.
2) Destroyed the whole universe by forcing Dr Strange (the wisest "hero" in MCU) to make everyone forget that he is spiderman so as to go to a college (although he should be in jail)
3) Invited the villains to his aunt's house for some reason and therefore he is responsible for her death.
and by the end of the movie is considered a hero.
Yes but this Peter is still a literal child. As far as we know he didn’t even have his Uncle Ben moment until Aunt May died. The entire trilogy is about him learning that being Spider-Man is about accepting responsibility and forgoing his dreams. He was naive and unwilling to let go of his “normal” life believing he could be both a superhero and a normal kid. At the end of No Way Home he finally grows up and gives up any normal life because he knows he has to.
this movie is something called ''Brilliant but lazy''
So the only thing that electro needed to be better was Jammie Foxx being himself? If Jammie Foxx portrayed himself in TASM2 nobody would complain about electro.
Dude finally someone said it, I was scared of being osctracised for saying the same but this is the reality, No Way Home worked because of the build of 20 years and nostalgia factor and "OHH my god three spidermans from my childhood in one movie" factor
The writing was so lazy, I mean the whole premises of the movie was that the movie exists because Peter is stupid and made too many changes in the spell, if Peter would have simply said "All the people that knew before should still remember and rest everyone should forget", the movie would have ended in 5 minutes
It was just a money grab at best
this is not the reality, no it worked cuz it was good
It was not lazy, no it was because Peter makes mistakes as Spider-Man does at times, that sentence does not even make any sense and is confusing so no it would not have ended in 5 minutes in fact it probably would have just made it longer
Not at all it was not a money grab
@@jaydenc367 Yea it’s normal to make mistakes but not normal for 2 characters that are supposed to be smart to turn into actual r3tards in order for the entire plot to work
@@notsocooldude7720 Well they did not turn into actual retards
@@jaydenc367because literal geniuses get stupid in the span of 3 seconds
@@phantomguy2713 No he just made a mistake is all.
I literally didn’t notice the amount of times Peter publicly unmasked himself in front of strangers in this movie. He ran right through May’s office, completely recognizable as Spider-Man. If he wants to have his identity a secret so bad, maybe try a little better to cover it up once in a while?
But EVERYONE knows he is spiderman, he probably would have not felt like he needed to hide it anymore. But I agree with your point
While Peter wanting to save the villains is in character, the way they went about it was quite nonsensical and relied too much on audience sympathy.
The audience who has watched the prior movies knows Doc Ock is redeemable, we’ve seen his good side and seen his redemption take place.
However, Peter hasn’t. He has no reason to think Doc Ock is anything more than a psycho scientist with mechanical arms, who had know respect for civilian endangerment during their battle (one of the almost casualties being an infant) and who has a sadistic, vengeful personality, going as far to say “I should’ve killed your little girlfriend when I had the chance”.
Furthermore, giving Otto a new chip shouldn’t just “make him good”. The arms weren’t mind controlling him, they were little devils on his shoulders encouraging him to finish his work no matter the cost. This took place after his dream was seemingly destroyed, along with his reputation and his work killed his wife. He was a man with nothing left to lose and with a bad influence the negative aspects of his personality came out in full.
That’s why Peter was able to reason with him, he pulled Otto BACK from the edge and to get a handle on his demons.
But apparently all they needed was a new chip?
That entire scene where he decides to be a criminal wasn’t necessary then if it was all mind control, none of the well thought out and nuanced character work was necessary if it could all be undone in the time it takes Thanos to snap his fingers.
“I’m something of a scientist myself” made me audibly boo in the theater
Funny how MUC reset spiderman at end Of NWH.
Which basically means you can now skip homecoming and Far from home but you already paid for those so who cares they earned money and fooling audience. I also find it funny they really realised MCU messed up character of spiderman from the very beginning in civil war.
In the comics Peter Parker has a super genius IQ beyond Einstein or Stephen Hawking. So why in the movies is Peter portrayed as just a "smart kid"? When he goes to Strange to ask him about casting a spell to alter reality, he should have a well thought out list prepared telling Strange exactly what he wants and how he wants it done.
The plot wasn't planned right, because there is so many things that could easily prevent the plot from happening like Peter thinking a little or Dr Strange stopping to let him speak or just make the world forget what mysterio said etc
Him not being a super genius is better anyways. More interesting stories that way
Or even if he’s not a super genius he’s supposed to at least have above average IQ and have the ability to think critically. His actions in NWH resemble those of someone who is mentally r3tarded
Stephen "epstein island athiest" Hawking.
The way I understood it, Dr Strange was able to contain the spell before more people crossed over to their universe, so the rest of the infinite multiverse wouldn't get there unless the *unstable* spell broke free
Very convenient that he contained it so that only villains from the previous movies could enter
@@RralRonaldo yeah it's a plot convenience for the audience that it was _only_ the guys from previous movies, but I'm only saying that that's why not everyone else got there until the climax when Goblin broke the spell
@@RralRonaldoYes, it is. Im glad it happened that way, since having characters that I dont care about wouldnt work as well as a movie.
The premise of this movie was to use fan service in order to wipe the slate clean.
Thank God finally someone who gets it. I've had all these criticism about the current MCU Spiderman and also into this film. You nailed all my thoughts on the head and I'm glad to see that it isn't just me being blind sighted. Thanks for such a great and compelling video!
33:30 God I wish they just stuck to Mysterio's lie about this being 616. It could help me ignore the changes a little bit.
I think since Aunt May wasn't built up properly to say the line and the other Peters actually help mcu Peter more, I think it would have been better if the other Peters said the line. Maybe have Tobey start it and Andrew finishes it and then both Peters realize that this is another thing that connects them all. Idk
Dr Strange is broken. He is the strongest, and dumbest, and weakest, and most smartest. They change him on a whim
It hurts my head that fans petitioned this movie to win an Oscar
Also Norman was absolutely complicit in helping his Green Goblin persona with his crimes in the original movie. Never once did he resist once he found out the goblin existed
Another thing,why does “Peter” get rejected from every school when he’s a literal genius?? I was so confused about that,also just ruining everyone elses lives just cause you can’t go to school doesn’t make you a hero. It makes you a simp.
its literally explained bot
@@saintfreezy6914 Explain it to me again then
@torresjosue98 I think it's because of the fact that everyone now knows that Peter is spiderman , the colleges won't want to associate themselves with him. I'm not sure why though
She had internal bleeding and that’s how someone would’ve acted if they had it
The andrew Garfield hate is so forced
He's trash
I really like all the mcu spiderman movies but i get why people dont like them
I’m confident they will stick with the position Peter’s in. If they were not, I don’t think they would put that much emphasis on the fact that nobody remembers him and I don’t think he would get a final swing as well.
I am so glad you talked about my least favorite part of the movie, nothing that happened was peters fault. Dr strange just did a dangerous spell for a child who knows nothing about magic, didnt explain anything, fucked it up, and blamed peter. This is all Strange's fault
I think comedy within Spider-Man movies makes sense considering he is comedic in the comics. However I think it should’ve been more seriously handled in this film as his identity has been discovered. He could’ve just been swinging back home ignoring Ned’s phone call, ignoring MJ’s questions, and just be in complete silence and shock swinging back to May who’s packing everything up and tells him they are going to move in with Happy for a while.
I think they could’ve kept Otto’s sanity while looking for Peter and he teams up with Peter against Green Goblin before they are both summoned by Doctor Strange.
The summoning of the other Spider-Men could’ve been done seriously as well with the slightest of comedic elements to fit their awkward characters.
May’s death could’ve been perfect if she didn’t go on a long monologue and instead showed fear of death rocking Peter’s world completely upside down as she was the rock to his life. He goes on a rampage across the city looking for Goblin and is physically stopped by the Spider-Men and poses a challenge for them going for kill shots until MJ shows up to calm him down where he breaks down in her arms.
They could’ve done the making of the villains cures more seriously too and even the villain comparisons at the Statue of Liberty could’ve been done without being forcefully funny. This honestly could’ve been an absolute masterpiece of a film. I love the film still but I’m not gonna lie like every marvel fan who circle jerk to the site of Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield but that did make me happy. Felt like my inner child got peace after seeing them get a conclusion, sort of.
Edit: I think all the Spider-Man actors are amazing even Tom Holland. I blame the MCU writers who clearly have become the thing they originally did not want to be and it’s greedy. They know most fans are just average movie goers who only know about what’s on the screen and not in the comics. I never blame the actors or actresses for poor writing. The blame is all on the company at this point. Actors and actresses signed up on contracts you can’t back out 99% of the time. They are just doing their jobs
@@BizznessBox Yeah every singe movie is him just being confused and overwhelmed. And not just Marvel. Just not a good actor.
The problem is not having comedy, it’s having bad comedy. The comedy in the MCU is too Gen Z.
The Raimi movies are hilarious while still being dramatic. Because Raimi’s campy humor is very similar to one of classic comics. And because he knows how to balance Comedy, Drama, and Horror without making it feel out of place
Well to be fair Spidey Sense only reacts when he is in danger. I don't think Strange was trying to kill Peter
Holland spidey senses are trash and inconsistent. And in tobeys, he even reacts when mj is falling in the cafeteria. That isn't when he is in danger.
@@thecensoredmuscle563 Sounds like how it functions changes with each movie
atp i just think it reacts when spiderman is about to feel something unpleasant
"To avoid confusion I will refer to them as different names. We'll have Tom, Andrew and Spiderman" Got a good laugh from me and all I could think of was Breaking Bads "You're god damn right" That line alone is enough to give a like.
Yeah that was a good joke haha
Why dont they make new villains? Goddamitt
Yeah
And they tried to release an extended version months later 💀
I only watched to see Tobey
Couldn't peter just ask strange to make everyone forget about the mysterio video? I mean it would make more sense than making it everyone forget he is spider-man if the video still exists and can be watched.
The fact that the first Into the Spiderverse movie only made 384 million, compared to how no way home made 1.91 billion (about 1,526,000,000$ more than the first Spiderverse made) should be a crime
My headcanon is that the characters that appear in this horrible movie are just variants of the characters we actually know and love, cuz god damn they were butchered so badly
I think the same they are just similar to Raimi and TASM universes but not the same
Far From Home means he's literally on a vacation. Hence the title. No Way Home means there's no going back to his original life because of the start of the movie. Whether or not there was a spell, the world knew he was Spiderman. There's no going "Home" after that.
I thought the emotional moments were really good but the movie did absolutely nothing to earn those moments on it’s own merits
Finally somebody made a video about this. People act like your insane if you do not love that version of Spider-Man, when it’s just the stereotypical MCU main character, telling the same jokes, doing something dumb, that causes problems. The other Spider-Man actually had a good plot, character, and side characters.
It doesn’t even explain how the villains got there but I put together just by what the villains say in their cells after multiple times watching it that they got sent there when they found out Spider-Man was Peter. Norman didn’t know he died but if he came right before he did, he’d know he was about to. Doc Ock said “I had him by the throat” and that’s right after he found out it was Peter. Sandman found out at the end of SM3 so he says he just wants to go home cause that’s where he was headed anyways. Lizard found out in the sewer so that’s why he asked Electro if he knows if he died. And Electro said he was absorbing data and Oscorp had Peter monitored and also had stuff on Spider-Man so the data he collected probably put 2 and 2 together and plus, he didn’t even know what he looked like until after the battle in No Way Home. Very messy plot
Imagine being me, who had neither seen Tobey's spiderman movies NOR Anderew's Spiderman Movies. The nostalgia baiting didn’t work for me