Why Not to Buy a Keyless Car (Push to Start Button)
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Push to start car review with Scotty Kilmer. Why not to buy a keyless start car. Buying a car with a push to start button and keyless remote may be a stupid idea that will need repairs within a few years. DIY car inspection. There's many things that can break with new technology like a keyless remote start system. DIY car repair with Scotty Kilmer, an auto mechanic for the last 46 years.
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you can use Forscan to add a PATs key to a Ford. no dealer needed
I like number 1 😂😂😂
Scotty Scotty..... you and your fan dangled starter motor and key lock barrels with hocus pocus black magic electrical wiring.... when will you ever learn. Cars with silly lock barrels and starter motors are STUPID keys are STUPID , when your starter motor breaks or you lose your key then you are stuck in the middle of nowhere like a STUPID IDIOT have fun trying to start your car....STUPID IDIOT. I'll stick to my trusty old hand cranked engine car. If Im too tired to crank the handle or i run out of fuel so what....i can just borrow a neighbours horse and ride home in it like a stage coach. Have fun finding your STUPID key hahahahaha
You forgot the last one...
7. 20 jumpcuts
What is ajv80 even talking about
Get a manual if you want your car to be difficult to steal
lol, people these days can't drive stick
not true 53% of cars on yhe road in the world are still stick
+ColushMan false
People don't buy key fobs so people don't steal
It, you can use your car with never even touching your key. If the battery runs out you can use the key that's inside the key fob.
Don't be so naive...
Ahhh....why are you yelling at me!!!
+Haukenslush I"m half deaf from helicopters, guns, motorycles, rocknroll, and fixing cars the last 47 years. This is my normal voice. Let's not be prejudiced here.
+Scotty Kilmer how was i being prejudiced? I asked a serious question. and now i know why you were yelling. ALSO, i don't know if you know this or not but cars that have keyless entry have a back up method just in case the battery goes dead. there is a place in the car where you can put the keyfob in and still start the car.
+Haukenslush you're being prejudiced against deaf people. And some cars have a back up key system, but many don't.
+Scotty Kilmer I don't see how asking a legit question is being prejudiced but ok 0_o
Scotty Kilmer Oh.... I had no idea... i never even thought about your time in the service... that makes SO much sense! So Sorry if i ever Thought any bad things or typed any bad things about your hearing disability Scotty
In my opinion its buyers who are stupid...They just want a car fully loaded with gadgets, and forget that with more gadgets comes more problems....
it's really more of a vicious circle, and I personally stand outside the circle with a key in my hand
This is probably the most accurate statement I have ever read on this post. It's pretty obvious that car manufacturers love adding more unnecessary "technology" to vehicles to profiteer and deceive gullible consumers who fall victim to overpriced repairs! They turn the most basic systems that are in no way in need of upgrading and complicate them enough to push the maintenance capabilities beyond the reach of the average person. I just wish more people would take notice of this flat out scam!
+Scotty Kilmer they could have added push button start on top of a regular key system. That way when the keyless breaks down the traditional system is there as backup or personal preference. Keyless becomes user choice. Why they removed the regular key is beyond me. Plus why do they call it keyless in the first place? The transponder is a key.
Its a question of different people's wants needs and preferences what makes sense to one might be nonsense to another not unusual with self employed labourers or mothers with kids having their hands full.
Mark Littler The features don't have to be mutually exclusive. In fact, the keyless entry fob contains a physical key that unlocks the door. Why not allow that key to also start the car? I like pushbutton start as much as the next guy and I'm not saying to get rid of it, but Scotty's objection is primarily due to the ridiculously high cost to repair the system when it breaks. That is something the dealerships don't tell the laborers and mothers with kids when they purchase their vehicles. A replacement key should not cost thousands of dollars. That's borderline extortion. If your key breaks, what do you do? You have no choice but to pay up.
Putting key in ignition and turning it to start is the best part of a car
Yes sir..!
Idk about the best part....but it certainly feels alot better than a push start
Haha! True!! Hearing the engine crank up and start is orgasmic to many....
Second only to putting a key into the ignition and then pushing the starter button to start the car.
These use to be common in cars built in the 50's and 60's as well as race cars.
Among the cars that had them back then were the Austin Mini's, (my dad had one) and the 911's
push to start is such much cooler and more futuristic.
this video makes a hell lot of sense. thanks Scotty.
stilkus u must be female
Enjoy! what makes you say so ?
stilkus I assume it's because you're not embarrassed to say that.
ToMaSaRuS REX yso you guys go detecting genders from people commenting on youtube? I guess I met the smartest people alive.
stilkus No no no, you must have misunderstood what i meant by that. He said you must be a female because when you said "this video makes a hell lot of sense. thanks Scotty." Usually only females would say something like that (because this pertains to cars, most males like to think they know everything) and typically a guy would be embarrassed to say that.
As an avid lover of electronics and new tech, I still have to admit that adding it to cars just adds something else to break.
$2 for a new key? You got ripped off Scotty..
Derpyderp i got mine for a dollar.. he was scammed lol
.65 cents at my local shop lol
Bruce Wayne loool
How LOW can you get folks?
Whahahaha!
I like the satisfying feel of starting with a key
Locking and unlocking doors with a key to.
@@crlaw75 takes time
@user-ho1ih1uj6w Not at all.
@@user-ho1ih1uj6w😰😰
What would happen if a keyless Mercedes showed up in your driveway
Kian Palmer Scotty would facepalm haha
Kian Palmer *news channel* "And tonight a Mercedes was brutally blown up in a popular mechanic's driveway"
He has fixed Mercs before.
I remember that Merc. He replaced the shocks they cost a fortune haha
Scotty would make a nice lawn ornament out of it! Lol
On some cars with keyless start, you can just pop the cover off of the keyless start button and there is a regular key ignition. But the benefit outweighs the possible downsides in my opinion. Just jumping in your car and driving instead of finding the keys is so much more convenient.
Do you even hear how stupid you sound?
Yeah I want a push to start bc I never had it before and it makes it more enjoyable but now I am scared to get it bc it might break down. I want both options keyless and a key ignition.
Wow you save so much time!! World has gone soft and lazy af. No wonder everything is turning to shite. The people are all shite. New gens are the worst
@@lynch42o you must live a miserable life to get that worked up over a push starter in a car...
@@mablevins08 lmao. It’s just people that need a reason to hate on the upcoming generation.
WAW for all the people spreading misinformation and hate on this mans video. You all missed the point by a MILE! He said That both electronic and manual systems die eventually BUT to get a key recut costs 2 dollars and you can do it in any key place. But the electronic keys costs up to 1500 dollars to replace and you can only get them in specific/limited places. I cant believe how far all of you missed this mans point, that was clearly stated in the video. its like you read the title, watched 30 seconds of the video and just started typing. Why is the internet like this today?
nope. you should watch the video again. He clearly stated that the tech is stupid in addition to it replacement cost. He basically said the tech is useless. I wonder how much it cost to replace the car keys back in the 60s? Whether the keys can be replaced for nickle (equivalent to modern $2). You can't just bash on tech just because it has it nuances. All bugs will be worked out. only closed minded old geezers would bashed on things they can't comprehend. My guess is that he is mad because he can't cut throat his customers when they need the key replace. He is a mechanic after all....
ecodrove The thing is his claims have very valid points. Think about it...
Sitting taking a poop... You have a regular toilet paper roller on the wall, you grab how much TP you need and wipe your butt... If it breaks you go to any home supply store or hardware and buy another roller for 2 bucks and you are back in business.
Vs.
Sitting taking a high tech poop... You have a slit in the wall and wave your hand in front of a sensor and then it gives you TP to wipe your butt. If it breaks you can no longer wipe your butt and to fix it you need to take a plane ride to Italy pay 10000 dollars for replacement parts then fly back and call in repair guys who take up to 2 weeks to come install the parts.
Results: roller breaks ... Pay 2 dollars and a 15 minute drive to the hardware VS. paying for a plane ticket, flying to a different country, paying 10,000 dollars for parts, flying back, calling repair men who take 2 weeks to come by, then you are fixed.
You see I am an IT administrator and a companies technology is always up to 5 years behind the latest tech. Why? Because its expensive, can break just as much or even more than the older stuff, its new so when it does break you have to search high and low for replacement parts, AND THE MAIN REASON. Lots of times a newer version of something though it may tout a better architecture and better quality... May only do a 5% better job than the older tech meaning your company just spent a million dollars modernising their equipment to only be 5% more productive. Simply put does that key that costs 1500 dollars to replace make your day to day life 1500 times easier. Its over complicating something that doesn't need to be so complicated to work... That's what he's getting at.
+Skitzotech Gaming He makes a slightly misleading statement when he discussed the ignition systems. First, when he is talking about the broken Infiniti, he says, "the keyless ignition system broke, it ended up costing him $1,500 to get it to start again." And then, he talks about the worn out key in the Toyota that cost him $2 to replace. In the Infiniti, the key wasn't replaced, the entire ignition system was. In the Toyota, the ignition system didn't need replacement, only the key did. If the Infiniti only needed a key replacement, it maybe would have cost a mere $100, which is a lot more than $2, but a lot less than $1,500. If the Toyota needed the ignition system replaced, I'm guessing it would have cost a lot more than $2, although being an older Toyota and not a luxury model like an Infiniti, it certainly wouldn't have cost $1,500. The point I'm making is that the comparison isn't the same. Comparison of worn out keys in both cars is more apropos.
By the way, the battery in my transponder for my keyless ignition wore out. Guess how much it cost me to replace the battery and get my car working again? Yup, that's right, $2. That's the true comparison right there.
+mogelijk1 I completely forgot about the chip key he mentioned. I had to replace one for my PT Cruiser, and it ran me $160 for the parts and reprogramming labor.
+Brett Scott Gentry Still a lot better than $1500. And those chip keys aren't active electronics. It's RFID. It's just a circuit that reflects a pattern of radio waves back at the active electronics on the car. That's why it's cheaper. Also simpler and much harder to break.
This world needs more Scotty Kilmer.
TRUE, but I faced with the problem is, when I explain to one of a customer and open Kilmer video, they said this is stupid/ rubbish. I have no IDEA who stupid! In my conclusion, I tell them brought back to dealer. DONE, problem solved.
There are some out there, but sadly most of them aren't on youtube or much on the web
You need more scotty kilmer in u.
@@martintran7837 true but im faced with the problem. When i explain to one of my customers the problem and show the scotty kilmer video they say its stupid and they say thats rubbish. I have no idea who is wrong. In my conclusion i told them to go to the dealer. Problem solved. (Thats how you write in english)
Unfortunately, I started learning English too late and I am 40years old now, because I am pure Asian. I am barely writing English mate. In University, I done math and Mechanic have no problems, but English is my big problem. If you find hard to understand my write just let me know I do fix it, like I fix car.
What the heck did I just watch?... You can make all these points about any modern feature in a car. Why not electric windows? They can also break. What's so hard to roll down the windows manually? Why not your immobilizer key? What if that breaks? How'bout air conditioning? That costs a hell of a lot to fix. What about your convertible? Those roofs are a lot more difficult to maintain than a normal sedan.
You just picked on something you personally don't like and applied a bunch of generic reasons why modern technology in general is a bad thing.
defend crappy designs, what do I care. And yes, my car has manual windows, 25 years old and still working strong. All tech is not good tech
Scotty Kilmer well, if you call it crappy design it wouldn't hurt to have some arguments behind you. All the video presents are generic reasons why new technology comes with a risk of more things going wrong, which is totally true but the rewards are worth in my opinion. Planes also brake sometimes, yet they are an integral part of our society because the reward is worth it. Coming back to keyless, as long as the manufacturer put some backup in place for the situation when the system fails or your remote battery runs out (which most manufacturers do), I think it's a system worth having.
Electric windows or air conditioning or other nicety features breaking doesn't completely disable the vehicle though. Also electric windows and air conditioning have actual legitimate benefits that make them worthwhile like being able to operate all the windows alone without pulling the car over and parking or not dying of heat stroke in traffic in direct sunlight. Push button start doesn't save anything at all except having to remove the fob from your pocket...woah all that stressful maneuvering...you still have to reach up with your hand and manually engage the ignition switch, they just made the switch unnecessarily complicated.
matthew scott How does keyless breaking "completely disable the vehicle"?! You can still use the key as you would if the car wasn't equipped with the keyless option. At least that's how it is on german cars, not sure about american ones.
There isn't an ignition key at all on any of the ones I've seen. You can see the car he's showing in this video there is nothing but a button to start the car. The key he pulls out does nothing but open the door/trunk so you still have access if the battery dies in the car or the fob. If the fob battery dies or there's some connection issue then you can't start the car at all.
He said it was $1500 fix for the car he's talking about, and although that's probably on the high end, it's potentially enough to keep your car out of commission for a while if you don't have the cash. All that for something that offers pretty minimal convenience. On the other hand a typical low-tech keyed ignition system is very unlikely to fail before the end of the vehicle's life, and even if it does it's fairly simple and cheap to service.
the best anti theft is that stick between the driver and passenger seat that has those numbers on it and that R. thats better than insurance
Batman Beyond Unless someone knows what they're doing and can push start the thing.
+Mephles N you know owning a manual is considered an anti theft device in america on your insurance because people are too stupid to drive them right? i got a discount on my rx-7 and my mini truck for it
Conrad Mcdonald Sweet, I should look into that cause I have a manual as well but paying the same price for an automatic van. Didn't realize that, but just mentioning that all it takes is someone who knows how to drive one.
One of the top ten most stolen cars in North America are Honda Civic Si's. They only come in standard.
Only in america. In the rest of the world everyone takes driving exam in a manual car, and the majority of cars are manuals...
How about instead of completely shutting down the keyless systems, we leave the keyless and add a normal key. Best of both worlds.
Right!
+ArrKayCee not sure with his dodge keys, but my bmw keyless system, do still requires plug the chip into the car to unlock and recharge the battery everytime I drive. And if is faulty by itself, BMW replace it for free.
+Joz Sun thats bad info, the only thing bmw will do to a remote "free" is replace the battery and you still pay labour. faulty remote you buy a new one and pay to program.
+ArrKayCee because $$$
+ArrKayCee my NIssan serena had one, you can turn on the engine using the immobilizer or the actual key itself. either way, you still have to "turn" something on the side of the steering wheel like a normal car used to. check out NIssan Serena C25 japanese market one
I always liked the feeling of putting the key in and turning it to start. Keyless takes all that away.
G4U
Ever since 2010 when i had a car with push button start. Never went back to turning a key. Feels like a peasant turning a key.
@@vernonpaigejr.1517 A peasant lmao
@@daveatsea9465 It do. LOL. You ever notice in horror movies. It's always a turn key car, be fumbling the keys and stuff. Push button. Hope in drive off and you escaped Jason.
@@daveatsea9465 I know, right?! I'm betting that he had no complaints *_until_* push buttons became a thing. Now all of a sudden, it's "Okay, new tech's here! Upgrade now, or you're a peasant!" 😅Just goes to show that these days, people have no qualms getting screwed over by these corporations, if it means shaving a whopping (GASP!) *_2 seconds_* off of an already simple task!
A Prius that wont start..... "oh, what a day... what a lovely day!"
Mr White yeah i hate Toyota prius
One of the most reliable cars ever made despite the technology in them. Look it up. The ones used as Taxis have 400, 500 and even 600 thousand miles on the ORIGINAL engine, drivetrain and EVEN the master battery is still the factory one on a lot of them. My 10 year old Prius has 130k on it and it is all original and drives like new, still getting 45 MPG average out of a a full tank of gas with the original battery that is still going strong. I replace the oil every 5k with Mobil 1 0w-30 Advance Fuel Synthetic and I replace the Transmission Fliud Every 40k. No other special maintenance. I've owned alot of cool cars in my life but not one has been more dependable than my Gray Mouse 💪😎
Funny, because no one asked for yours either, yet you were the first to chime in on the original comment.
@@quantumphaser Yep. They're ridiculously long-lived, with an exceptionally low operating cost thanks to their fuel economy and mechanical reliability. Unfortunately, I totaled mine at 180k, but was still averaging 44-45 on hilly rural highways with original battery pack, and no mechanical issues in the 60,000 miles I owned it. The taxi service in my town operates them, and the mechanic who works on their fleet says that about the only time he sees the service retire a prius is if they wrecked it beyond repair, and many, as you said, operate well into the 400-500k range. Add their great cargo capacity, and it's a car that does pretty much everything I could want, from moving, to road-trips, to commuting or outings with my mountain bike. My only minor complaint is that it's not great on snow, but having driven a '94 Ford Ranger in the winter, I know it could be worse.
@@joelhenderson3723 Just past 162,000 miles, that's more than 30k since my post. Everything still 100% 😁
What I like about Scotty Kilmer is his down to earth practicality.
Why not have a keyless ignition with a regular keyed ignition for backup? Best of both worlds?
exactly
They want you at the dealership spending a fortune
Cost
Most cars are done like this nowadays
Toyota has a system where you tap the key to the push button to start it
This is just one of the reasons why when I bought my first new car I did not want all the toys/options that were unnecessary because I knew I was going to keep the car for as long as it ran. And eventually, all those toys/electronics would go bad and be really expensive to fix. Especially the keyless entry feature. I asked the guy how much it would cost to replace/fix it if it ever broke and when he told me, I told him I'm good with turning the key to start my car.
Things like Auto On lights, Auto Climate Control, Power Lift Gate. Don't want it. Now, If I was going to only keep the car for 4-6 years, I might get some of these toys/options. But I tend to keep driving my cars for as long as they run. Current car is now 16 years old and still runs great.
Moonbase0ne -- PlanetCybertron.com Umm, I'm not sure if they had keyless push-button start on cars 16 years ago...
rjmari
Sorry. I miss typed. I meant when I recently went looking for a new car. As far as keyless start and a few other features go.
+rjmari The model T had keyless start.
This guy smokes every kind of drug
Hunter Gamer Drone and snorts and injects and eats.... and sniffs.
Lol
IVAeroVI haha right
But he's great
Who cares. I personally didn't come here to critique the guys personal life. I came to learn something by following the Title of the video..and he delivered.
Austin Rivers If you had a key there would be nothing to fix. It's the car company's way of screwing you over. Dumd Ass!
Agreed. Some technology is just superfluous... A basic car is better. To have full control over what it does, how I want it, is a lot better.
ソランジュ I have key hate keyless
There is literally a "Why Not to" video on almost EVERYTHING I want to do;
At this point, I'm just waiting on a "Why Not to Live" video
Hahahahahaha. That’s actually very funny
If he say everything stupid, why he still have a car that his entire video is roasting endless cars
😂❤
I agree with this guy, we are becoming to dependant of these things, when a key gets the job done just fine
Features I will never buy a car with:
1. Drive by wire steering, throttle or brakes
2. Keyless ignition
3. run flat tires
4. auto engine start/stop
27dcx Too late. Almost all cars have drive-by-wire. I don't think that't really a problem, at least as to ignition on my cars, one of which is a 2002.
Hydraulic steering gives better feel than electric. You do get .01 mpg better with electric steering, though.
Drive by wire brakes? I'd expect to see than on the latest $100k+ Mercedes S-Class.
Run Flats do suck. I just went to non-run-flats on my MINI Cooper S. I bought a whole set of four from Tire Rack for the price of one run-flat. The ride and handling are both improved.
Auto start/stop is also annoying. I've had it in rental cars and a Porsche Boxster I test drove. You could turn off in every one I've tried, though.
drive by wire brakes
kek
27dcx I don't think youll have a choice soon
27dcx Looks like you won't be buying any cars then.
Garth Goldberg *"Almost all cars have drive-by-wire."*
.....oooookay.
He reminds me of Ice King from Adventure Time.
lmfaooo
LoL
Oh shieeettt haha
hahahaha! Good observation!
Lol!!!
You are not just a mechanic. You are a youtube celebrity. Awesome videos you made to help others. Thank you
WHY so many Butt-hurt comments? he's just trying to help by his experience...!
Don't most of the buttons pop off to reveal a key slot? I've only been in 2 trucks w/ it, but both included that. Chevy and Jeep
+Andrew Tolmasoff I've never seen that.
+kajidono Most keyless cars have a *hidden* key switch just ppl never read the manuals x)
+beangie my dodge challenger has that. And his dodge charger in the video also has that. Just pry off the button and you'll see a regular key hole. Which is required if you want to tune your car anyway. Or to completely turn off some traction control in some models of charger and challenger.
My 2013 Durango has that
+Andrew Tolmasoff ..but then he would have nothing to complain about lol
Wait are you serious? It's not like the manufactures did not think these situation out. With that Dodge you Put the nose side of the Key Fob against the ENGINE START/STOP button and push to operate the ignition switch. Honestly, I would hate for you to be my mechanic and not know these things. You would tell me the only to get my car started is to spend a grand on repairs when the simple example above would fix the issue. It would probably be better if you did not complain about automotive evolution and teach people little tricks like above.
I agree keys are simple and cheap. However, I remember growing up with tumblers failing, keyholes frozen in the winter, Key's breaking.
Now days to put a fob in your pocket and your doors unlock when you near the vehicle and push a button to start and go. Is a much more efficient and ideal then using the aging key method.
he is complaining about new tech in every video he made.
With Nissan they have a spot that you can stick the key in and charge it when the battery gets low to start the car. I think he was just tryna get people stirred about little things like this
Not anymore on the newer Nissans
Harrison Edgar oh really do you know why they did?
CMurda14 Yes. Because of cutting cost, and forcing you to go back to the dealership!
Mercedez does it right in my opinion. The new ones if you want the keyless go you can pop in an adapter and if you dont want one then just pop it out. I dont like keyless go cars either but mercedez satsifies both type of customers
keyless is a hacker's heaven
+derockn00 Don't mention that around here. Everyone's a technology evangelist, even though most of them couldn't write a line of Python to save their lives.
+asdf072xxp lol ikr python is for plebs. its as easy as 1+1
derockn00 kek! I'm not badmouthing Python. It's great for what it does. I'm saying there are a lot of people talking out of their asses.
asdf072xxp python so easy its for plebs
derockn00 Right. That's which I didn't put Scala or Haskell.
I've had a car with both, and whilst it's convenient not having to pull a key out of my pocket, nothing beats the satisfaction of the physical turning of a key.
Physical keys are the best!
^ lmao Mr. Green
There's nothing more satisfying than turning a key and hearing your car start, there's no feeling with all this new button crap.
Redonk_Rc
Well now.......I can think of "one" thing more satisfying, right off the top of my head. (double entendre *NOT* intended)
Redonk_Rc If that is the most satisfying thing to you...oh god.
+AzeOfSpadez one of the most car related satisfying things lol
Mann my wife has a 2 door 2009 Nissan Altima, in this cold weather we had this winter here in NJ the system broke and yes (Infinity is Nissan) but my wife's system broke costing us $962 damnnn yo! great video!
09infintig37x I think what Scott wants to say is that only buy extended warranty from manufacturer/dealership and not from third party providers or insurance agencies. I just got a new car and bought extended warranty as it is being offered by the manufacturer itself.
right 100%
09infintig37x but nissan is the sister of infinity
what's a Ultima..?
lmaooo Altima lol
I guess if you have money for a fully equipped dodge or infinity you don't care about 500$ repair that MIGHT happen once or twice during the entire car lifespan.
If I had the money, I would get a keyless in a blink of an eye, its 10 times more convenient.
Andrei Vlad 10 sounds a bit much. 1.5 maybe.
Andrei Vlad I've never felt inconvenienced putting a key into my car.
***** OH , twisting that key, just SO hard. Eventually humans will become muscle less blobs hooked up to computers.
Scotty Kilmer Wall-E was correct.
Scotty Kilmer Agree there, Scotty. I don't get the endless need to simplify things and make things effortless.
Reminds me of apples wireless/ removal of headphone jacks
Bullshit, samsung have multiple waterproof with headphone jack phones.
Gregory Guza apple cut off the head phone jack because they were too cheap to actually seal up the jack port. Then made a lame excuse that it would be impossible to creat a headphone jack for the 7, only for a man living in China to actually make one.
they claim the headphone jack is old technology but they include it in their newer macbook and ipad. heck, even the professional music players costing $1,200 have the headphone jack and pro headphone maker like sennheiser and audiotechnica still make headphones with the audio jack. the pro headphone makers knows there's nothing technically wrong with the headphone jack
Except car manufacturers have been doing this waaaaay longer. Apple doesn't have shit on car manufacturers....
Bicc OG you would not listen to it on your newer macbook nor ipad either, those hardware are not design to reduce noise and distortion like a dedicated pro music player. so why include the headphone jack. apple is not part of the audio engineering consortium that set standards across all platform. apple's ploy is to remove the internal DAC/amp for the audio jack and make you pay more the external DAC/amp. they got greedy and tried to nickle and dime you.
mercedes has a manual backup in their keyless ignition
cpfishfan14 they've got a great solution, but it's copyrighted. I especially like the one on older ones. " Fob outta juice? Use your key to get in, then insert the fob!"
when a key fob in a dodge car discarges you can use the key fob as a stick and hit the button WITH the key fob. it gives off a tiny bit of current kinda like how phones wirlessly charge
Yup. The fob for my dad's CLS ran out of batteries, so he just used the key until he could get new batteries. And the best part? It uses regular ol' watch batteries!
The Naked Argonian yeah, Mercedes is good at that.
I imagine that would be "patented", not "copyrighted". It isn't a movie, book, or bit of music.
Keyless fobs also have a RFID chip inside. So in most cases, you can open the door with the hidden key and then push the start button with the front of the key(or keep the key really close) to start the car.
On some cars you might have to remove a cover at the back of the handle or look at it from beneath to find the keyhole.
Call me old fashion but the more electronics you have in a car , the more headaches you will have for "convenience".
nes Indeed it is! My remote stopped working and its barely 2 years old.
smart phones are so STUPID! my phone's touch screen broke, I had to pay OVER 100 BUCKS to fix it!!!! My old Nokia will never break, and is much cheaper to fix!!
guess what, technology advances, and it usually becomes more expensive to repair.
The difference here is that the new phone brings infinitely more functionality and computing power, and therefore the increased cost of repair is (to most people) worth it, whereas the keyless start brings only one or two features which many people don't want or care for.
That being said, to each his own. Get whatever car, phone, TV, etc. you want, just be prepared for the consequences when it breaks.
+abcdefgmynameisbsabc to me the convenience of not having to dig for the key is worth it, even more so for the Mrs. who normally has our baby in hand with the key buried in bottom of her purse. There is a added cost for just about every convenience item, bigger wheels cost more in gas and added tire cost, but I don't see anyone shunning 20's rims for 16's just to save a few hundred dollars.
You do get that we don't like it because the upsides don't apply to us so we're stuck with a higher priced item that gives absolutely nothing back.
If you like the feature, then by all means go for it. I just wanted to point out that using the tired old "my Nokia vs my smartphone" argument is not valid because the keyless start and new phone don't provide the same proportion of new features. There are many other reasons people may not want the keyless start, this is just the one OP chose to argue.
There's a huge difference here. A smartphone offers more features and more possibilities that the Nokia couldn't do. The keyless remove vs a standard ignition switch+key set up doesn't offer anything better besides a headache.
Why more electronics in cars are pure non-sense and money pits. Might as well lease all new cars to avoid running into troubles. I enjoy my 2002 BMW with a KEY and some buttons for doors and trunk. Simple, easy, reliable. Good vid Scotty.
In my personal opion I think the older BMWs are more fun to drive can't beat a good E46 330i
Especially with ZHP!
I barely have any buttons and I fucking love my car (M50 e34)
MiGujack3
I miss my old 525i shame corrosion killed it.
xDLXSFx I wouldn't mind the remote fob for my E46 either, but you have up admit, we have some shitty ass key range. And little do you know, your BMW has many computer electronics inside as well.
$600 for a chip key with buttons for a 2009 Subaru Impreza here in Canada.
I told the gal to sell the car, she actually listened and bought a CRV.
Impreza was riddled with electronic problems.
I almost never see her anymore for repairs, only maintenance LOL.
Stay gold.
Once again Scotty, you've hit the nail directly on the head with this one. And, for all those people out here making comments that keyless start is a necessity and is no different than power steering or power windows, you are TOTALLY wrong.
Power steering improves the performance of the car WHILE DRIVING - this could be critical in some situations. Power windows minimize the time needed to move the windows, and the distraction of moving the windows WHILE DRIVING - this has an important safety benefit.
Keyless start accomplishes NOTHING from either a driving or a safety standpoint - it's just another expensive and pointless gimmick that only serves to demonstrate how we as a society are not only getting lazier and lazier, but are also being more easily duped by the marketing types.
Critical systems on cars should be constructed on the KISS principle - keep it simple s#!^head.
Because some people are plain lazy and doesn't want to plug in the key and have to rotate it 90 degrees to start the car.
Back in the day when they came up with starting your car using a key from inside your car. There was always someone like Scotty who said, it will eventually break but starting your car by turning a crank using a handle was the way to go. What it comes down to you can't teach an old dog new tricks.
but the fact is push start is less secure vs a transponder key. A theft nowadays can reprogram the radio in 2 minutes, re-pair a fob or transponder chip. With a keyed system, he still need to defeat the key mechanism.
and there are more complication with a always transmitting fob, theft can use a signal booster to grab the key signal from your house to get the car started. and battery drain issue.
Still in 2023 I think its a stupid system, it completely removed mechanical security from the car.
Did you complain about using keys *_before_* push-button starters were a thing?
Mechanics: "I don't know how to fix it so you shouldn't have bought it."
ice king dud here is right
electronics
plastic engine parts...
and heads up folks ...what is coming ahead is far worse
mark my word....you wont be able to change an engine oil without going back to the dealer...
they are aware of the tree shade mechanics...and they want them out of the game
You are soooo right amen
that's why people need to stop buying new cars
Aldous Forest i agree
but try to convice people who are hooked up on a violent consuming machine
keep buying ,,,keep buying
on with the new ....
Ryan Rohauer your just repeating what i said
yes the expensive ones are the first to get it
later on all cars
both econo boxes and expensive ones will be like that
Faisal Abdulaziz You right bro keep every body in the game
My keyless works just fine, never had a problem and the car is almost 8 years old. Only had to replace the battery once. First time that I've heard about a Nissan keyless system dying.
you missed the point.
+Sofa King Nissan keyless have really poor battery, but it still works (unlock and recharge) when you plug it in the socket in the car. Not what this man is implying here. My wife's nissan teana's keyless battery died in 4yrs, I didn't bother to change the battery, just unlock the doors with the actually key, and plug the whole thing in the socket to start the car.
Joz Sun I never plugged it into the socket, it just works like its intended to work so idk what the problem is lol. And changing the battery takes 30 seconds to do.
Brian Y. LOL what's the point? I always kept my key fob in my bag or back pack, never ran into any problems, battery lasts for a long ass time. I have experienced absolutely no down side and my car is a 07.
+Sofa King Nice G
I lost my key, and i had to spend $480 to get another one.
you are an idiot
My 2001 maxima key with chip cost $300 to make, at least.
Do I even wanna think about how much it would cost to get a replacement Mercades key fob? On my family's 2011 C300 it the remote itself has to be placed in the switch to start the car.
You make some really good points in this video. But I have to say that the main thing I find irritating about using keys is how the key chain constantly hits you in the knees while you're driving.
I agree. It’s not a big deal but it is annoying.
I mean how close are you that it hits your knees or you fairly tall
Must be a small car
Keyless cars can be hacked. Anything encoded can be hacked.
Frank Upton if someone really wants to steal your car it does not matter if it's keyed or keyless. They gonna do it anyway cuz cars have ports for connecting a hardware device. All cars that come with a computer chip can be started with a laptop and some software. Donst matter if it has a key or not.
then buy a silent pocket put it in and hackers cant
they still can be
I assure you, I can "hack" a non keyless car just as easily with a slim jim and ignition puller.... =P
older cars are even easier, a coat hanger, screwdriver, and a pair of pliers...
Billy Severt you can hack any modern day car with a radio transmitter, yes it's hard but it does happen. The key to make things more secure is less code
I do not always agree with Scotty but in this case he is 100% correct. Just wait until your battery goes dead. Your double screwed with push button start good luck even trying to dump start your car by pushing it and then letting out the clutch. What? Your car is an automatic you say. HA! Start hitch-hiking dude.
+Philip Rosenthale which battery are you talking about? if you are talking about car battery, whether your car is key or keyless start, your car won't start if you car battery is dead.
+Manny “Knix” Lopez
he means the smart key battery, if that key battery is dead, then there is no way to start the car, unless you call for a ride or walk to the store to buy a new one.
jmanyes on my RAV4, even if the smart key battery is dead, i can still start my car. Just touch the key fob to the start button and in 2 seconds i can start my RAV4. i don't know about the other car brand but it works on my RAV4. i even removed the battery to test it. I found that trick here on youtube.
+Manny “Knix” Lopez
Wow, those keys are smarter than i thought lol.
the first time i watched this video, i thought i'm screwed once my key fob battery died. i searched it on youtube on "what to do if my 2014 RAV4 smart key battery dies". i found a video on how to start my RAV4 when the smart key battery dies. The guy even removed the battery to prove that you can still start the car. For curiosity, i removed the battery in my key fob. First, i tried to start it with the key fob in my pocket..it didn't start. Then i tried to touch the keyfob to the start button, in 2 seconds start button light turns on and Voila...i can start my car.
my sis car nissan cube got stuck twice because the steering wheel sensor wouldnt engage so the car cant start. Getting it fix wasnt the issue, getting stuck in middle of nowhere is.
Lol thats what happens when you buy junk.
I have a Nissan Cube. That's happened to me a couple of times. What I did was put the car in neutral and turn it on that way. That seemed to work. You will have to use a screwdriver or something to push down the shift lock button, though. Yes, it's annoying but it's rare it happens to me
complaining about the nissan and there's a dodge on the video, smh
I'm with you all the way on this one Scotty!!!! I hate these damn push start cars!!! A Toyota fob that just got replaced and programed cost $633.00!!!! That is INSANE!!! That's why I like the Toyota 4Runner so much. It has a regular key ignition and a stick for the four wheel drive instead of some darn electric knob! They are both simple, have been made forever and they last forever!! It sounds funny but it's like a sunroof in your car! I was at the dealer like 3 months ago talking to a lady who was getting her sunroof fixed. It was just under $1,800!! And that is with leaving a discolored headliner because these things can leak in a way where you do not realize it until you notice a nasty headliner. Not to mention you better not get caught in a hail storm or just a bad storm where something can fall and crack or break the glass. If you really look one of these sunroofs over you will see it's a really stupid design to get you spending money on it. They are made in a way where there is a lot of parts to them and you HAVE to buy them at a dealer! They told the woman about what it was going to cost and she asked them if they could just spackle that #### thing shut and go on. ha She and I got a laugh out of it but she said she would never buy another car with a sunroof. It's like a swimming pool. Most people have one, get their fill of it and never get another one.
Agree. I like the older vw/audi keys that retract in the fob and pop out when you push a button so it doesn’t poke you in the leg when it’s in your pocket. Perfect design. Shoulda kept it.
As nice as my 2016 Altima is I love my 2001 expedition more These remote start cars should be an optional feature on a car for sure! give me a regular key any day of the week
At least Ford makes you pay Extra for a push button start on the Maverick Truck and you can only get push button start on the Highest end Lariat trim.
You always gotta turn your volume down with this channel and I love it.
Disclaimer: ANY AND I MEAN ANY ANY CAR CAN BE STOLEN!
Cars with built in GPS tracking will sometimes be cheaper to insure though.
So? Why make it EASIER to steal with keyless ignition!?! Keyfull ignition with an immobilizer works much better
Can you even buy a new car nowadays without keyless push button start?
there are some who still have a hidden keyhole in case the shit breaks
Yes. Some low-end models.
Not rly, you can start new s-class with just a key
tuvalu Which are those??
find the hidden holes yourself;-) But I think Mercs and BMW's have one you can use when the button fails.
just replace the battery from CVS or something for like $4
Wrong battery, [almost used a terrible word here, but I'll give the benefit of doubt]. Try ~$100+ for a decent battery.
+Alex M just open the battery compartment on the key, go to CVS, and get the same battery.
WRONG BATTERY.
He means the battery under the hood.
They make these keyless systems for people who think like U...clueless!!! lol #WrongBatteryDude
Of course, it's broken: it's a Dodge.
You are correct Scotty. I hit a customer for $3,500.00 for a keyless key on her Bentley. And she loved me over going into the dealers.
+angelisone Soooooo you gouge them? Nice.
+B Howtahlah When you treat them like kings and queens, you got them for life.
+B Howtahlah a bentley cost 100-400k so 3500 isnt shit lol
+angelisone Wish I could afford a Bentley! The car I've had for the last ten years didn't even cost $3,500. :-D
+HigherWisdom My daughter's Yogo is more reliable than Bentley.
No millionaire/billionaire want to let the common people like us they Bentley & RR are junk.
They are supposed to be smart, rich & own companies that you and I work for.
It's a whole new world, Everytime he says not to buy something... It becomes standard equipment two years late ... It's a whole new world out there Scotty. I would never forgive myself for buying a Toyota so I got a grand Cherokee and I'm super happy.
I subscribed because I think push button ignitions are stupid as hell also. Thanks Scotty!!!
R Dill
Exactly 100 people agree.
How is this any different from if your immobilizer module fails?
GadgetsNGear If a key fob fails the other key fob will lock/unlock/start the car w/o any issues at all. If the immobilizer unit fails the car won't be starting at all.
MrSlowestD16 that's my point, this isn't inherently any less reliable than any car fitted with an immobilizer. I'd think that failures of the vehicle side system are extremely rare. I've had it on my last two cars and LOVE it.
GadgetsNGear Yeah, it's not any less reliable while there is a key override...and I haven't seen one that hasn't. It'd be especially dumb to make one w/o a key override because then you couldn't get into your car if the battery died or something - you couldn't even get in to pop the hood and jump the car, lol. I don't think any would do that.
GadgetsNGear I had my battery die in my car recently and was unable to unlock the door. I was so ahead of the times that I forgot my car had a key with it. I was able to unlock the car, but I had to climb into the trunk through the backseat to get my jumper cables. I couldn't imagine having a keyless vehicle with a dead battery.
DE Nichols Yeah, but it's in every owner's manual, so "RTFM" comes to mind :-P. Otherwise you could just google it for your model and I'm sure you'd get 100 hits, videos, etc.
Keyless systems are actually pretty easy to steal. I've read online, because I was trying to figure out what was the safest ignition method, that you can just use especially modified radio scanner, figure out what frequency the transponder is on and what it's sending, and then just duplicate that with a transmitter and the car can't tell the difference. The immobilizer keys are actually the hardest ones to steal because it's very difficult to clone one of those keys, it definitely takes several hours as a lot of people know, so you're not going to be able to do that within 20 seconds before the cops show up on the street corner
You are incorrect I was able to break the ignition lock on a 2001 vehicle to start the car using vice grips. It took me less than a minute and I'm not even a professional.
I wonder how this guy feels about Tesla :D
+Alex T really fascinating cars for the ultra rich to drive.
+Daniel K many rich people are asses, but not all, for example, I'm a millionaire from youtube vids, as I will soon have my 100 millionth view before 2016 begins. But I relate to regular middle class people from whence I came. I've seen too many evil rich people in my time to like many of them.
+Scotty Kilmer Wow if you really became a millionaire from youtube then I congratulate you sir because your videos have save me A LOT of money by repairing my own cars. Many thanks and well wishes to you.
+Daniel K the guy is full of himself... these rant videos prove it. All he's doing is trying to convince us why HE thinks something is bad. Never gives any logical reasoning other than HE said it's bad. Just look at his video rant about Mercedes vehicles..."It gives TOO MANY trouble codes... so it's junk!" seriously... little informational messages such as a tail light is out is all it takes for this guy to fly off the handle like this.
"I've seen too many evil rich people in my time to like many of them." he says. By his logic, anyone with more money than him is automatically evil. What a prejudice ass...
+Scotty Kilmer Congrats to you Scotty. Love your clips, and I hope I can be your 100 millionth viewer.
I totally agree with you. Since the transponder someone carries for a key-less car is in fact the key required to start it, you still have two things that can break, be lost, or stop working. If this isn't the most transparent money scam invented in the last decade or so, I don't know what is!
Same applied to those "Anti-theft" stereo codes. They wouldn't let you unlock the stereo unless you went to the dealership to get it unlocked at a "small fee".
Why would anyone dislike this info. He IS COMPLETELY CORRECT! The worst application technology is the keyless ignition.
I like the keyless start.
My wife has a Mazda CX-5 with this. If the battery goes dead, you simply hold the key next to the unlock or start button. Love the keyless entry and start. This guy is overly negative.
i agree with you, both of my parents cars are keyless both from Nissan and are keyless, great thing is, if someone has stolen your car just call the dealership and they will shutdown the system in the vehicle
disclaimer:thats what nissan told us
i used to be of the mindset that the base model car is all i'll ever need, but ever since i've bought a used car that came equipped with this feature, its really hard to go back!
There is actually a spot behind the keyless ignition start button for when situations like that happen. I have a 2018 Honda Ridgeline with keyless entry and push button start and it is way more convenient unlocking when holding groceries or sports equipment instead of having to fuble for a key
This type of technology was intended for convenience. Both mechanical and electrical items have the capacity to break down. When it comes to cars the older generation of mechanics focused more on the mechanical vs electrical parts of a car. DIY communities will adapt and delve more into repairing electrical components of a car including repairing electric vehicles. Whether mechanical or electrical.... why not fix it yourself! haha.
***** When you have to go to school and get 5+ degrees just to work on a "modern" car and understand what's going on, there really is an issue. Let alone, someone can't even work on a Prius without having the proper safety because those battery packs aren't exactly double A's.
+Mephles N I programmed my BMW and I don't have a degree, just basic online research skills.
Luke Stratton Not the same. You NEED some kind of computer skills to work on newer cars for diagnosing the car and $200k+ of equipment to do so.
I've personally re-"programmed" motorcycles and it's not the same when working with the diagnostics on a modern car. On average modern cars have over 100+ sensors, so working with mixtures, timing, RPM limits, and air sensors is nothing
You could argue the same with modern computers. Tablets aren't exactly user-serviceable.
Luke Stratton I've built my own computers, completely tore down laptops, tablets, phones and anything alike. With those types of hardware it really is just plug and play where the user won't be allowed to modify any of the actual code to the hardware (unless you're going to be flashing custom bios to a graphics card or something, but that's really advance users).
Tablets are just basically bigger phones with some beefier hardware in them. Yes its harder to work on computers the newer the hardware gets, but its still the same and almost always has the same diagnostic process that they had 10 years ago.
Cars on the other hand have been going to electronic parts way too fast for proper diagnostics to really catch up. For instance, I know the late 90's and early 2000's Toyotas that came with drive by wire are really faulty somewhere in that whole process, but for "complete" repair everything is replaced. Not only that, but how long did it take for Toyota to realize that their cars would malfunction and accelerate on their own? Why? Not being able to properly diagnose the problem and exactly why it occurred.
Personally, I have a 2009 Nissan Altima with this keyless system and I enjoy it. Though, I have to admit that it could be troublesome if it would go out. I wish that the engineers at Nissan would have designed the car with a manual key override so that it can be started like normal vehicles. Having the keyless start is nice since I can keep my keys in my pocket and start my car though. Technology is nice, but having the older tech in case of backup would be nice too. I can only imagine that there's a mod you can do to your car that would enable this to work. If you actually read down this far, let me know if you would know of a car ignition mod that would accomplish this. Thanks!
Steven Kistler I would imagine it would be just like adding another switch. Granted I've never seen one of these in the flesh and it's probably complicated, but it's probably as easy as wiring up a secondary switch.
My grandma has an 09 Altima with 9,000 miles on it that she's already had to put $400 into because her push button system broke. Needed a whole new ignition and to be completely reprogrammed. Just watch out for that man
I am 100% with you
+Kenny M ummm if this is true. she dint have to pay it. with only 9,000 miles thats still under warranty..
Miguel Rodriguez
ummmm...it's 6 years old. Seriously doubt it's still under warranty.
If it were up to ppl like Scotty we would still be cranking up windows and locking our doors one by one
im fine with that, my window regulators barely work and my lock buttons don't work at all
They still make sone cars like that but you have to seek them out.
Thank you so much for the warning. I have learned more from watching Scotty than I have from anywhere else!
Suddenly Ozzy Osbourne started going bald, his voice tone now sounds like Steve Perry, moved to Texas, and he started a UA-cam channel giving car maintenance and how-to videos.
This is why I traded my 2018 Prius for a 2018 Corolla LE which has a key. I dont want to spend a lot on my car in the long run. Thanks Scotty for the tip
2018 corolla is very fuel efficient, so that reason alone is good enough to walk away from any EV or hybrid.
I'd bet you lost enough on the trade transaction to pay for a new keyless ignition 5 times over.
Manual or auto?
@@billlaurens1907 no
Maybe, I have to do it with my Toyota Yaris is 2018... the keyless didn't work and I went to the dealer and lucky me..the warranty covered the replacement.
Yeah fuck new technology! Lets go back to riding horses. You don't even need keys for those. /s
+Vlad Melnyk easier to steal
+Vlad Melnyk That actually sounds kind of nice. I'M IN.
Good thing about keyed ignition too is being able to program new keys/fobs with the ignition itself. Usually something like lock doors, put key in and out of ignition certain amount of times, turn to auxiliary and press a button on the fob and boom. reprogrammed, in your driveway, in two minutes, for free!
sorry to tell you but i think push to start will be on most cars in 2 more years
SOGFLY1 sure, cause it makes SO much money for the manufacturers fixing them when they break. Look at iphones, people are buying new ones every six months. As Pt Barnum said, there's a sucker born every minute (more like every micro second these days.)
Scotty Kilmer Planned obsolescence
+Nathan Justice exactly!
Scotty Kilmer I like the older cars
lawl at this. it's been 2 years and most cars still use keys.
I really hope everyone, including this guy, realizes that if a keyless remote breaks or gets lost or whatever, almost every car that has this feature will have a physical key inside the remote. You can use that key to unlock the door (if there isn't a keyhole in the door handle, there should be a cover to remove) and the push start button comes out revealing another keyhole.
It's at 2:42
I hate to say it, but I was apprehensive when we got our 2011 Nissan Rouge a few weekends ago....however you do have the option with this vehicle to use a key should you feel inclined. I do like being able to walk up to my vehicle, push a button and not have to fumble with keys with my hands full..... I also have my old pickup truck that has a push button start...which is sort of an aftermarket affair. I often joke with my buddies that most thieves these days couldn't drive a stick shift for the life of them, so that's sorta my "anti-theft" device besides the wiring trick I have under the dash (a cutoff switch) that I wired up to disable the push button. Hasn't caught fire yet, but you gotta love old 1970's era ford pickups;-).
The 70s era Ford pickups are very nice and 67 to 78 Ford pickups are my all time favorite pickups ever made by Ford 😍
so you just told e everyone how to steal your car... good job
I also have another security layer built in for would be thieves....we don't dial 911 where live;-)
Hi scotty .
I Ibrahim from Saudi Arabia it is a desert country with a very
hot summer and very cold winter.
I have a 2011 hyundai tucson with 203 000 miles
and it is keyless system.
and I had no problem with it.
I think hyundai keyless system is one of the best in that future.
thank you very much scotty for your videos I learned to much from you .
had my dodge suv for a few years. NOT ONCE have i ever had an issue with my keyless go. so i dont know why its "unreliable". i had to replace the battery after the first year and a half, for a whopping 2 bucks.
+youandiryan OH, you have one vehicle, WOW. I work on thousands and see what breaks over and over in them, having been fixing them the last 48 years.
+Scotty Kilmer i have a few. a new dodge. a mercedes and a volkswagen gti. im not trying to argue the fact that they can have problems. all i was saying was I've never had any with my vehicles. in the end your probably right. you know your cars well buddy
ive been a fan of your channel for a while l.
+Scotty Kilmer I'd think a PIN system would be the ideal way to go keyless; like those old Fords with a number pad on the door locks. If you lost your transponder fob or it stopped working, you could punch a code into a keypad on the dash, and start the engine.
+youandiryan DUDE A FEW YEARS ISNT ENOUGH TIME TO SEE IF YOU GOT YOURSELF A GREAT CAR LOL. LETS SEE HOW THAT KEYLESS STARTER IS WORKING IN THE NEXT 10-15 YEARS. I KNOW REGULAR KEYS WILL STILL WORK IN REGULAR IGNITIONS, BUT IDK ABOUT YOU ELECTRONICS THOUGH HAHAHA
why are you shouting at me
I'm surprised they haven't put this guy in the smithsonian along with his jurrasic park thinking.
+kio ÐÎÊKÎÑ HA, can't wait until they make cars that fall apart in two years so you have to buy new ones and people start saying "man, that car was great, it lasted two and a half years."
+Scotty Kilmer I can't think of any old cars that are still around. Do u drive a ford pinto?
+kio ÐÎÊKÎÑ your ignorance is showing. Stop talking now.
+stickyarmadillo1 freedom of speech.
+kio ÐÎÊKÎÑ you're right, and freedom to look like a complete dumb ass. Please continue.
I had to help someone get their car unlocked when their car battery died. They had one of the older ford escapes with a key lock only on the driver's door, but APPARENTLY that had been broken for 5 years, so we couldn't use it. Ended up having to hook a charger cable up to a 36" long screwdriver, then crawl under the engine and reach up through it and poke the alternator output terminal (like a game of operation) and hold it for 20 minutes until it had enough charge to use the remote. That was fun.
I like it, because I never end up locking up my keys inside the car anymore lol
How do you lock the keys in the car? Every single car made with power door locks automatically unlocks the doors if you attempt to lock them with the keys still in the ignition.
Don't you have a lot of the same issues with an immobilizer/key like the one you showed Scotty? Just like a keyless fob, if the transponder craps out your car won't start when you turn the key either because the reader won't receive the signal code.
The real difference would be between modern transponder fobs, key or keyless, and traditional direct electro-mechanical ignition systems.
No if the battery goes flat in immobilizer key you can still get into the car using the key part and when you put the key in the ignition the power from the car connects with the microchip in the immobilizer and so you can still start the car. That is my experience anyway.
Tom Newham In my example, the microchip and/or other component is fried. But I have since seen where manufacturers provide various ways to manually bypass the immobilizer when your transponder dies for any reason.
theRealAV8r not really well... kinda it is still a traditional key so its about $250-$1000 cheaper to fix while the electronic ignition cost you a $500- $2500
I rented a Ford Taurus which had a keyless entry. it also had a drivers seat that adjust and a steering that automatically adjust each time you entered the car. And guess what? I LUV IT!. I did not have to be digging in my pocket for the keys, Just press a button and voila it starts! BUT BUT would i buy one of these cars? I cannot imagine these cars lasting more than ten years. In ten years one by one these electronic stuff will start to go bad. And the cost to repairs I dont have a clue but i dont think it would be cheap
+se7ensnakes Unless you're very lucky, it won't take 10 years. The amount of electronics in a 2016 car is beyond most people's imaginations. Each item is pretty reliable and more so every year, but there's so much of it there will be failures. Even the engineers who design these cars don't know all that can happen. They find out from field reports (breakdowns). Some you can work around, others immobilize you and it's tow trucks, car in the shop for days, parts not on the shelf, and tough diagnosis due to sheer number of different systems. Factory parts are very expensive until some years later, when independent manufacturers might see a market for troublesome parts on popular car models. If you have an uncommon model, you're cooked once the factory inventory's gone - it's used parts or become an electronics tech. New car stuff is just wonderful, until it breaks. Been a mechanic for 35 years - I agree w/Scotty. We're getting played.
gem anscombe You are talking to a person that use to opt out of electric windows simply because it is more to go wrong. I own a 1981 for f250 with a four speed on the floor. A few months ago i broke down on the side of the road and looked at the glass gas filter and noted there was no fuel there. I walked down to the parts store and purchased a mechanical fuel pump. Two bolts and some hose clamps and some gas to prime the pump and I was on my way. The fuel pump was less than 35 dollars. This truck only has a six cylinder with a very small carburetor so it is economical. I see newer models but I rather just keep repairing this one and restoring the body.
In no way shape or form can i do a road repair like this on the side of the road and in an emergency a ON THESE NEW MODELS. People that get this kinds of car tell me that they dont keep their cars for four years. Can the middle class actually keep spending 20+k every four years? What happens when inflation makes the average car 40k? I find that to disrespect your money is to disrespect your time. I rather drive my old truck than be hauling around a 200 dollar car payment plus maximum insurance.
se7ensnakes
Congratulations on your repair efforts. I commend anyone who steps up and gets in the game. I had a client with a 1977 Corolla, and every time it came in it was a holiday back in the past. Your F-150 would feel that way (check for loose carb body screws).
Most mechanics I know have a nice,new car for the wife, and naturally they avoid the models and features that have plagued them. We drive simple beaters, like my 20 year old Corolla. We also do repairs on our cars that clients might not appreciate on theirs, in non-critical areas, of course.
Car makers design for manufacturing and selling. They're fanatically committed to the lowest costs; in parts design/material, part sub-contracting, adapting old designs, assembly line sequencing and techniques, labor cost reduction, tax advantages from states, and so on. Smart people spend their careers paring the cost of door handles to earn promotions/bonuses.
This makes the handles break.
Selling relies on creating and then satisfying desires. Cars are way more than transportation. they're body extensions - powerful exoskeletons, really - as well as on-road personas, mobile personal spaces, obedient horses, expressions of taste and status. So car makers have a lot to work with. They feed these desires and new car buyers bite. That's where the money is, in SUVs, fast cars, and luxury barges with blingy extras.
Electronics are used because it's 1) cheap to make and 2) not easily repaired, bypassed, or duplicated.. Example: a Suzuki Aerio AC fan switch was bad. It was part of the control panel, electronic, at $800 (wholesale!), dealer only. Client agreed, so I wired in a toggle switch to give hi fan only, total bill $60. I couldn't fix the vent controls if that had gone bad. Cable controls, anyone can fix. Car was 5, 6 years old then.
Electronics are good, too. ABS, engine controls, stability/traction controls, air bags/pre-tensioned seat belts, electronic transmission shifting (if they'd mount the control solenoids separately and accessibly on the outside, not in the oil pan, or all as one unit for $500 - Chrysler), all make cars way safer and more efficient. Still, they can be done badly or well. Also, drivers are mostly dumb about driving. ABS, VSC save them in poor conditions but some people don't slow down and just end up crashing at a higher speed. If stability control has to come on, you're driving too fast.
We think alike, but there aren't enough older cars left for others to do so. Not buying new cars, we're also not the target audience. Most young folks accept the drawbacks because they know nothing else. A basic car could have dependable electronics if few changes took place, but economy cars exist to raise corporate fuel economy enough to allow big, low mpg, profitable models to be made.
Manufacturers make cars to sell; unless there's a recall, they don't fix them. What it takes to fix isn't on their minds. As my teacher said, it only has to be (barely) possible. Once a car is bought, it's like a printer that will always need a specific cartridge. But that's a separate rant.
Regarding keeping new cars 4 years: some folks do stay on that treadmill and earn what it takes, even if we won't. Besides, others have the "buy 4 year-old cars" theory and they'll be fixing it!
+se7ensnakes my 2006 lexus gs works perfectly... we'll see in a few months if it keeps up lol
+gem anscombe beautiful explanation. i enjoyed your unbiased comments :)
my son had to leave the 2018 toyota sienna he just bought at my house in pittsburgh so he could take his work vehicle to tucson where he lives. when i had to pick up his girlfriend at the airport, the battery was dead. it has a keyless, push button ignition. i tried to change the battery and every time i try to hook up the second terminal the alarm starts blasting. the dealer said that i should push the door unlock button on the fob but that does nothing. he told me that the fob battery must be dead so i changed it and that didn't work. i'm going to have my husband sitting inside the car with the fob next to the ignition button while i hook up the terminal and see if that will work. we're almost at our wits end.
Absolutely true. I mean hell, it's soooooo amazingly exhausting to use a normal key to start an engine...everytime I do it I have to take a rest. Ha, ha, ha technology for lazy people who like to expend more money for something useless.
10 years later, my keyless entry has worked flawlessly
actually some keyless ignitions are easier to steal, i think it was the mustang, on top gear UK, they were in america, and clarkson took hammonds mustang while hammond sat in a cafe with the key
It was a Dodge Challenger. Hammond had to buy one because Chrysler wouldn't loan him one for the special.
ok thx, i knew he had to buy his own, and i knew it was an american muscle car, i also know they wouldn't loan him one, because they said top gear were always mean about their cars, but thx for the correction
Dealerships are required to provide PIN code to registered owners upon request at no charge. Locksmith is not required. Though still need expensive scan tool to do the programming.