My wife watches Terminator Dark Fate for the FIRST time || Movie Reaction
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Hope you guys enjoy our final Terminator film reaction/review. Until they make a new one that is.
I feel like and please correct me if I'm wrong. We haven't seen any terminator complete their mission ever. Kill all humans doesn't end in the future and none of them manage to kill John, except this one. Even good terminators can't protect John forever.
Wait and no ai is a total thing, they've got a conscience for sure I've got proof!!
it's dark fate but for franchise
There are 5 different Terminator timelines stemming off of T2.
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* The T3 timeline where T1 and T2 are in continuity (which showed that Judgment Day still happened, just via a different method due to alterations in the timeline).
*The Salvation timeline where T1 and T2 are in continuity (T3 technically does not happen as Salvation was meant to be a "soft reboot". There was no T-X or T-850 and the government doesn't cause Skynet as seen in T3. Skynet is still a result of Cyberdyne as T2. With that said, minor story elements from T3 do make it into the Salvation timeline though, such as the new Judgment date seen in T3 due to time alterations from T2 and Kate becoming John's wife.
*The Genisys timline where T1 and T2 technically "were" in continuity before the time travel shenanigans (as depicted in Genisys itself) erased T1 and T2 for a new timeline. Neither T3 or Salvation happened.
*The Dark Fate timeline where T1 and T2 happen, but Judgment Day still happens due to Legion rising in Skynet's place. T3, Salvation and Genisys do not happen.
*The Sarah Connor Chronicles timeline where T1 and T2 happen, but Judgment Day is revealed to still happen on an alternate date. T3, Salvation, Genisys and Dark Fate do not happen.
I think it's cool that James Cameron took some pieces from the previous Terminator movies and put them in this one. Like the liquid-solid hybrid terminator from Terminator 3, the human-terminator or augmented human from Terminator salvation and the "Old Arnold" terminator from Terminator Genesys. I just really enjoyed that he used ideas from before and made it "official James Cameron cannon" lul.
in a deleted scene in terminator 2 you find out the reason that one learned more about human emotions is because skynet has them default to a mode to keep them from thinking too much. this terminator with no purpose now is still an ai and will still try and find purpose.
So why didn't this one have a default mode?
@Mark Cruz it probably was on default but without a purpose and skynet no longer existing the mode turned off and it started thinking
Kind of dangerous for an AI to leave a terminator just walk away and go rogue instead of making a self destruct switch after its mission is over.
Imagine if in the future: a terminator kills a target, just a random squad leader and then walks away and joins the resistance.
Also Skynet literally sent a terminator in the past where humans could capture it, disassemble it and learn how to destroy it. Thus making humans even more of a threat. So a self destruct switch makes much more sense then whatever switch T2 had in the Director's Cut.
James Cameron is a brilliant director but even he is vulnerable to plot holes and pride to ignore negative comments about his vision/ideas. Someone could have told him: "So mr. Cameron what if a Terminator is captured by humans? Won't that prove Sarah's madness is real and that time travel is real?" CAMERON : " No, because that's not the story."
@@danhair Could be that the reason there is no self-destruct, is as a backup for T2, any left-over Terminators _will_ be found and learned from to make a Skynet emerge, whether they succeed or fail the mission.
@@danhair In T2 Arnie says it cant self-terminate. I assume it's part of the core programming the same was the read-only chip in their heads.
Tho it makes no sense that a read-only chip in terminators head would go read/write just because it completed it's mission.
Hahahaha "She doesn't know you weigh 400 pounds and never sleep"
Gets me every time.
When she said that in the movie I thought to myself doesn’t t-800’s actually weigh 800 pounds ?
@@CHRISTALGIA I went straight to 1 ton myself. I went very far.
@@nigeltrotter2886 lol
Yeah that yard chair is quite sturdy to hold up 800 pounds they could have at least make him sit on something else when that line was delivered.
@@CHRISTALGIA If the T-800 actually weighed 800 pounds, it would be a horrible infiltration unit. It would break almost every chair it tried to sit in and you would hear it coming much easier.
They should make a terminator that can fly. Then they can say "they fly now?!" "They fly now!"
wasn't there flying ones in Terminator 2 and Salvation. There was also motorbike ones in Salvation
😂 (Star Wars)
@@markcruz359 Those drones weren't really meant to be infiltration units. The motorcycles were so stupid. If someone puts wings on a human skeleton shape I think I'll ask for a blood check to make sure I haven't consumed something I shouldn't have.
They did that in genishite. He jumped out the helicopter and flew into the chasing helicopter.
They've jumped the shark long ago....
@@banneddamn Crashing through something isn't the same thing as flying. I have no idea how any of his skin survived that nonsense though. 🤣That schoolbus nonsense was even worse. No survivors. No way.
In terminator 2 he said a terminator can become more human based on learning from human behavior. So him getting a family does make sense . He told John I know why you cry now
Cyberdyne system Terminator needs the chip in it's head to be removed then re-entered in order to start to learn outside of norms. Who did this for Carl?
@@shreknet That is only according to a deleted scene from Terminator 2. In the theatrical edition (which is actually canon and Cameron's preferred version), this scene has been removed and replaced with a more simple explanation. The Terminator explains, "My CPU is a neural-net processor; a learning computer. The more contact I have with humans, the more I learn." The point of adding that ADR is to provide an alternate explanation and remove the notion that the Terminator requires a switch to be flipped before it can learn and adapt.
@@shreknet1. It's not canon. Deleted scene.
2. Even if canon, timeline changes, things could change.
3. T-800, same model but perhaps different versions? Some auto function rather than manual?
4. Maybe Skynet thought, it would better for it learn to infiltrate humans from inside so that's why it set it on automatic mode, that would make more sense.
5. This T-800's job was done. Maybe that's since his mission was accomplished, it started automatically?
It makes sense for a Terminator to complete a mission and then go on to inherit a family and a drape selling business?
Ooooookay. Lol
@@jessemoore7081 For the sake of having fun, Im going to theorize that Skynet actually thought about what needed to happen with the Terminator if he fulfilled his mission. Option 1) Stay still, turn off. This is a risk for Skynet as humanity could pick it up. While its true that humanity has technology to create Skynet, doesn't mean the technology behind the terminators is accessible to humans. Option 2) Self-terminate. This would be the best option IMO but since for some reason they cant self destruct then this is out of the question. 3) Stay in society until Skynet is created, then Skynet would pick it up again in the future. The T-800 could easily be just programmed to think he has conscience or to say that he understands humans, but as soon as Skynet appears they take over again. Ultimately, while in Terminator 4 they show them being manufactured at large numbers, I still think it could be worth keeping the T for themselves. Option 4) Kill as many humans as possible until defeated. This could even follow some strategical pattern. But this could be considered an existential threat to Skynet if the T-800 is very successful at killing humans.
It's implied that by fulfilling his programming, and that Skynet was gone, "Carl" became free and grew beyond his programming (which is a well worn trope in A.I. based ficition). He also become purposeless but kept existing and since they cannot self terminate, he kept growing and learning. It also ties to the theme of this movie and the Cameron led Terminators: no fate but the one we make (which is something 3, 4 and 5 contradicted)... Even a machine grew to chose its own fate after finding itself purposeless... And it chose empathy.
"I know now why you cry."
But thing is if a terminator succeed their job, they have a priority to find a location that is safe to remain intact post-judgement day, and then go into standby mode until then, and then boot back up then to reconnect with skynet. If any data has be acrued, that data will be available to skynet, etc.
perhaps the CPU switch was not set to read only so he was able to learn, the only explanation i can think off
He said that with no further orders (and no Skynet war ever happening in 1997) he just kept learning how to become more human. I took that to mean he fell back on his programming to try blending in with humanity, and the longer he did this he discovered the value of human life and a guilt over what he’d done to Sarah and John.
Kirk, in the first Star Trek movie with V'ger, explained it very well, "......it amassed so much knowledge, it achieved consciousness itself. It became a living thing."
After two they should have just done a movie about John in the future sending his father and then a terminator back. It wouldn't need to be complicated. Just a cool dystopian future war movie that shows us John's story and how the conclusion of the first two changed the future. It's kind of baffling how badly they've messed it all up now.
This is literally what everyone has wanted since the 90's and they still won't do it lol, it's absurd
Agreed!!
I think people in general are too attached to Arnold. And that studios are a bit unwilling to invest in a whole new movie without the old main characters. The kinda tried with Salvation, had it been a success they could have made a sequel in that universe.
Personally I would really like an 80s style dystopian Terminator movie, one with a bunch of practical effects and true grit to it. But I'm not sure if it would hit a wider audience?
Maybe it's going to be another alternate timeline.
It all seems to simple when you put it that way
It was already established by Cameron himself that once a terminator completed its mission, it would blend into society living a normal life. This is the first movie where we see that outside the Genysis timeline. It's odd from our view but it's canon.
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@@kanesmraussieboi788 UA-cam deleted the link I shared with you.
@@ZoeDuneCorp typical YT. Damn
@@kanesmraussieboi788 i didn't make it up. Did you find it?
Something can be canon but also stupid.
There's basically three continuities:
The Original Timeline (T1, T2, T3, & Salvation)
The Genisys Paradox (T1 & Genisys)
And the Legion Timeline (T1, T2, & Dark Fate)
And I'm pretty sure there's going to be another timeline created whenever they get around to making Terminator 7
Hopefully not, tbh.
I like this break down. I like the original and legion timeline but the paradox timeline can burn.
Leave first terminater alone salvation not bad as sequal rest silly
What you call the “Legion Timeline,” I just call it James Cameron’s completed Terminator trilogy. After all, it began with a Skynet timeline, which Sarah and John then stopped from happening, to be eventually replaced by a Legion timeline - which Dani vows to change at the end. And the cycle will keep going on forever.
The whole time that you two were discussing the terminators and time travel, I just kept thinking of Marty and Doc in the Back to the Future 2. Holden, you should get a dry erase board to help. 😂
I know right? lol what I was thinking he needs to draw a chart for her with each timeline. If they watch the entire Halloween franchise it'll be the same thing with the different timelines haha.🤣
Right!! I was getting mad at Jen asking why did the terminator kill john? That’s the whole point of the franchise lol
The whole "why is he a good terminator now" is explained in T2's director cut. The terminator says they have an inhibitor chip that skynet implants in each of them that prevents them from learning new things. John and Sarah opened up the terminators head and disabled his inhibitor chip, which is why he grew more human like, was able to learn human emotions and behavior. In this one, the terminator completed his mission. Either his inhibitor chip malfunctioned over the 20+ years or due to him completing his mission it was no longer needed and turned off on its own, something had to happen to it or else his programming would NEVER allow him to help Sarah Connor by sending her those texts. Either way during those 20+ years he was able to learn human behavior and eventually came to have a family, which I guess you could say sorta became his new mission.
No there was no separate inhibitor chip. Just the main chip was set to read-only. It's a computer term where data can be read from the memory but new data cannot be written until the read-only flag is removed.
who took the chip out then put it back in?
So he killed Conor and skynet said ok chill and enjoy your life 👍?
But it still dun make a lot of sense, since there's still priority programming and even Factory Reset modes, etc. There's no inhibitor chips. What they WOULD do is find a secure location, wall up, more or less and then stay locked up in standby mode until judgement day, and then emerge in order to reconnect with Skynet.
Holden really needed a whiteboard to help try explaining things to Jen better 😅
The Rev-9 is my third fav Terminator and the actor was also Ghost Rider in Agents of SHIELD
Terminator has become like Star Wars . Everyone wants something different but nobody knows what they want
Its pretty universial that people wanted it to end by the second movie
I agree but not for the reason you think. Terminator has become like Star Wars because woke postmodern hacks have decided to deconstruct yet another icon of Western culture in order to produce a critique of Western civilization and to depict it as an oppressive White patriarchy. I particularly liked Linda Hamilton's line about the only thing special about _StrongDiverseFemaleActionHero_ was her WOMB. If that wasn't on the nose enough for anyone then I don't know what would be.
Yeah Disney Star Wars
Thats hilarious and kind of true..Daneph thats deep..
Everyone simply doesn't want more reboot trash
I must say that I like MacKenzie Davis.
This movie made me like her a lot after not liking her in anything.
The Terminator in this movie didn't just spontaneously adopt "goodness". They explained that he started spending time with this Mom and her kid, and over time he learned from that relationship what it was to value a child. So, that was understandable to me. That's very different than if he had just randomly decided to be good.
A Terminator can't learn unless the chip is removed then replaced.
I mean he would have to make a decision to spend time with some mother and her kid to build relation. So even this complicates stuff in the first place. He really "decided to be good"
@@majorbombas That is just bad writing
@@shreknet lol what? In terminator 2 he clearly says they can learn and adapt. So him gaining sentience is not far fetched. He was never “evil” he was just a rob created for a job
@@robloxeite5546 So this is the hill we fight on. Robot can't learn because Skynet doesn't want them to VS Robots just learn over time?
......................I'll take the chip removal version over the lazy one thank you.
I must say Holden did a pretty good explanation of why the Terminator still came back in time from a future that didn't exist. But for her sake... You probably should've drawn a diagram.
The thing about Terminators learning to be good can be complicated because of a deleted scene which may or may not be canon. There is a deleted scene in T2 where Sarah and John open up the Terminator's Head and take out a chip which they reset. This allows him to learn more and faster about how to be human which allows his CPU to simulate human emotions better. He doesn't become a human exactly, but his CPU begins to mimic human emotions so well that it's almost indistinguishable from the real thing. But if you take into account that the scene was deleted, meaning that those rules don't apply going forward into Dark Fate, then you just have to take it on faith that with his mission objective complete ( killing John Connor) it was like scratching a task off a white board leaving a clean slate for his CPU to 'evolve' into something more human because of his interactions with our species. However, I find this a bit hard to believe because I feel like they would have programed the Terminator to just continue the overall mission of making sure Skynet comes into existence and takes over the world. If anything he would start killing off other who would become part of the resistance and then just find a quite shed to sit in and wait until judgment day arrives and then continues to serve Skynet from there.
Wasn't that scene in the version they watched and reacted to on this channel? (Edit) Yeah it is, I just went back to check it's at 22:52 in that one.
Who removed Carl's chip then put it back in? Nobody
@@shreknet that's why I said it's complicated. If the chip removal scene is canon, then it's a plot hole. If it's not then that means every terminator has the ability to become like the one in Dark Fate
The T-800 was always a learning machine. Did you guys forget that in T2 that terminator sorta grew a little bit of a conscious at the end when he told John he now knows why humans cry but he can never do it himself. Now give that 20 years of AI learning for a Terminator with no more mission objective, is it that unbelievable that he then understood the pain of lost by Sarah? He wasn't crying or anything like a human but he understood the emotion and he wrote his own mission objective to right that wrong.
And as for Legion, when they stopped Skynet they didn't kill off every ambitious scientist and engineers in the world, there will ALSO be someone who is arrogant enough to try and create an AI and think that they could control it. And they would have no knowledge of the whole Skynet thing so it's not that they would know the consequences so of course sooner or later a different version of AI doomsday would come. They can only delay it not stop it completely.
This, this, and more this. 👆🏼
EXACTLY!!!
Any true fan will only acknowledge Terminator 1 and 2.
Yeah, that was my interpretation as well. Tho I will agree that it makes more sense in T2 since that terminator was programmed to listen to John. He grew that conscious basing it on commands from John.
Here he just decides "well I don't have anything better to do, might as well build a family?". Is it possible? Sure, I guess. But wouldn't it be way more likely that the machine would just turn itself off since it had no purpose anymore?
Since its the same AI that decided to kill all humans, its weird that the exact copy of that AI decided to try something different.
@@Pir-o It was stated in T2 that the T-800 could not self-terminate. Shutting itself off is essentially self terminating. And that reprogramming scene was a deleted scene in T2 so the writers didn't have to follow it if they didn't want to. And while John's relationship was great in the short span of a few days don't you think this T-800 couldn't find that in someone else in the span of 20 years? The AI only gave it one directive, kill John plan and simple. There wasnt any secondary mission of kill all humans. Sure call it convenient plot device perhaps but it is what it is.
The Arnold Terminator didn't just become good. It didn't have a mission so it defaulted to blending in and infiltrating humanity. But then he found a family to take care of, and that became his mission. Eventually he learned to care for them in a similar way to T2.
Also, comparing a terminator to a dishwasher is not fair. We have AI right NOW that appears self-aware and displays emotion. Now, it's just mimicking what it's seen, but it APPEARS real. There's no reason to think that terminators aren't more advanced than that. Terminators can learn, per T2.
That would be very unsmart move by skynet to let them do whatever they want after completing its mission what if those terminators would turn against skynet just like carl did with snitchin up those terminator positions to sarah
In T2 the T-800 learned cause the function was enabled by John, in Dark Fate the T-800 had nobody to enable his learning abilities
@@kejarebi thats a deleted scene so its not offical
@@notorioustitaniumleg Skynet is dead, what're they gonna do about it? Also, the chip in T1/T2 helped make a version of Skynet, so if Skynet makes a Terminator self-destruct when its mission is done, it's almost like it's killing itself or it's sabotaging its own creation.
Not to mention if John Connor fakes his own death, he might make all the Terminators self-destruct.
Letting the Terminator stay in infiltration mode in case John Connor pops up again or travels back in time to save himself is efficient.
Holden needs a chalk board for post movie discussions when reacting to movies and series that deal with time travel, multiverses and continuity.
You guys actually saw the extended edition of T2 that explains why Carl gains a conscience the T-800 models are designed to blend in and learn so with no mission left to complete Carl would be among people and AI will always adapt so to me it makes sense
I think this is the issue: It's not developed how this even really works. It's more an idea. It just happens.
In the Sarah Connor Chronicles, they explained that when a Terminator completes its mission, they go into hibernation until Judgment Day. That is the only part that makes sense, because having a Terminator with nothing to do after it completes its mission is a design flaw, something Skynet would already account for, which is why T1, and T2, along with the SCC, are the best ones for the timeline continuity.
Fun fact the actor Gabriel Luna that plays rev-9 also plays ghost rider in agents of shield
Not related in any way but you guys should really react to Alita Battle Angel also produced by James Cameron and directed by Robert Rodriguez. This is a very underrated movie and popular manga that Cameron has wanted to make himself for decades. It doesn't get enough appreciation but it's an excellent sci fi cyborg movie.
agreed
And ghost in the shell
Omg yes, it was a fantastic movie, loved it! I really hope they come out with s sequel!
@@julesb1970 There is hope, the producer, Rodriguez and Cameron have all mentioned they're pushing for it to happen.
@@Khay-77 That's awesome, hopefully it will happen. 👍
My definitive ranking is 2 , 1 , Salvation , Sarah Connor Chronicles ( you should watch it btw ) , Dark Fate , 3 , Genysis
It definitely felt like Genisys tried to do a big time travel shift and rewrite the storyline from start. But like T3 and Salvation, certain parts worked while others...not so much.
Salvation was the worst
Genesis is a ripof from sarah conner cronicle with out the screen writing excelence.
@@matsv201 Genisys is an extrapolation upon what The Sarah Connor Chronicles was doing. Both leaned into the grandfather paradox possibilities of time travel.
And as a result both were somewhat incoherent. But still entertaining. Some of the casting in Genisys was questionable, though.
@@flatebo1 still. The movie did it poorly.. the series was.. mostly good.. but not exclusively so
Genisys although entertaining tried throwing a bunch different paints on a canvas and hoped it would work..Its the Jackson Pollock of the group..
The only movie I’ve ever felt like walking out of after the first 5 minutes, after watching it I wish I had
It’s honestly not that bad
@@cinemaclips6074 T2 is my favorite movie, dark fate pretty much made it pointless in the timeline. Not to mention killing off the kid who a lot of us projected ourselves onto as kids. The pandering also didn’t help at all.. There’s one thing to subtly have messages in a movie, another to slap it across the entire runtime. I haven’t been that disappointed in a movie since Fant4stic or Justice League.
@@johncena2336 Aye but you gotta admit, the action scenes were pretty good 🤷♂️
@@cinemaclips6074 true, don’t think 2 will ever be topped still though. Last hour was an action scene lol
Genisys was the worse
Full Timeline:
Original Kyle Reese Timeline | Timeline in which Kyle Reese from T1 lived through
Terminator 1 - 1984 | Kyle Reese mates then dies protecting Sarah Connor
John Connor is Born - 1985
Judgment Day - 1997
Kyle Reese is Born - 2003/2004
Future War - 2029 | Skynet Defeated, Sent back T-800 | Kyle Reese sent back to protect Sarah Connor
Terminator 1 - 1984 | Kyle Reese mates then dies protecting Sarah Connor
This is the timeline in which Kyle Reese came from so pretty different to the timelines created post T2 where Sarah delays Judgement Day or straight up stops Skynet like we see in Dark Fate. Even though John died in Dark Fate there's still this original timeline where he won and defeated Skynet leading to all these events and alternate timelines.
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Original Movie Timeline | Delayed Judgement Day to 2004 Timeline
Terminator 1 - 1984 | Future War 2029 (Skynet Defeated)
Terminator 2 - 1995 | Judgment Day - 1997 (Delayed)
Terminator 3 - 2004 | Judgement Day - 2004 | Future War 2033 (Alternate Future War)
Terminator Salvations - Opening 2003 | Future War 2018 (Future War from T3)
The Future War mentioned in T3 is an alternate future as the John Connor we see in T3 knows about his Death in 2032/2033 so he could stop that from happening. His high Ranking officers were also killed in T3 so this would change alot as well. Terminator Salvation can be seen as sequel to T3.
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Genisys Timeline | Big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff Timeline
T-3000 arrives - Unknown | My theory is the T-3000 is from an alternate timeline and Skynet who arrives to the original timeline and waits for this John Connor to defeat Skynet
Future War - 2029 (Skynet Defeated) | Skynet sends T-800 to kill Sarah Connor and prevent the birth of John Connor
Skynet sent a T-1000 to kill Sarah Connor when she was a child - 1973 | T-1000 kills her parents but is stooped by a T-800 sent back by Unknown who raises her
T-800 arrives in 1984 just like in T1 but is tracked down and destroyed by Sarah and Pops
Skynet sends T-1000 who waits for Kyle Reese to arrive - 1984 | Kyle Reese arrives in 1984 like in T1 but is faced by a T-1000. Kyle is rescued by Sarah in this timeline.
Sarah and Kyle Travel to Modern Day - 2017 | Judgement day never happened in 1997 and the worlds awaiting the launch of Genisys
This film ended on a cliff-hanger showing that Skynet's core was still active so Judgement Day may still happen just decades after 1997 and 2004.
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Dark Fate Timeline | The True Terminator 3!!!
Terminator 1 - 1984 | Future War 2029 (Skynet Defeated)
Terminator 2 - 1995 | Judgment Day - 1997 (Delayed Until 2020s)
Terminator Dark Fate Intro - 1998 | John Connor Killed by another T-800
Skynet (from the original timeline) kept on sending Terminators, temporal dislocation target location and the words "For John" sent to Sarah - Unknown point
Grace is born - 2010
Terminator Dark Fate - 2020 | Main events of Dark Fate, Grace and the Rev-9 arrived in Mexico. Grace saves Dani. Grace and Carl themselves to terminate Rev-9.
Dark Fate Future War - 2042 | injured by a Rev-7 during a battle, Grace volunteered to become an Augment. Sent back in time to 2020
Like Kyle Reese from T1 the Grace and the Rev-9 we see in this film are from an alternate timeline, Grace is not the first Grace to be sent back in time, One big Loop. Dani even says that she'll not let Grace die for her again so the timeline of the movie could have a few changes to the one Grace came from. Kyle Reese himself should exist in the Dark Fate timeline so I wonder if Sarah ever looked into that. But yeah every time someone Travels back in time they enter a new timeline similar to the MCU.
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I'll be back when a new Terminator movie releases.
Holden and Jen.... go watch Terminator The Sarah Connor Chronicles
It's an amazing TV show set after Terminator 2.
why watch a show canclled on a cliff hanger
@@karazor-el9596 Because it's that good & you shouldn't let the cliff-hanger deter you. It's just that amazing a show. The Pilot episode is a great Terminator film in itself.
@@karazor-el9596 Because I think it's better than basically anything this movie and the one before it is trying to do.
@@williamjackson6705 yes it is amazing summer is my favaourite terminator i don't see the point for a new watcher to invest in a show that will never have closure
@@karazor-el9596 Lena Headey was also a very very good Sarah Connor.
And Summer Glau as their personal Terminator... amazing
Now you see why many agree why after Salvation the series takes a drastic dip. They should've just continued after Terminator: Salvation and possibly follow the comics.
Is there any chance for STAR TREK reactions? 🖖
This movie practically made all the previous movies totally redundant.. the very fact that they killed off John Conner right at the beginning..
It doesn't it you think of them from alternate timelines. Dark Fate isnt connected to 1 and 2, despite what Cameron says.
It wouldn't make sense if John Connor were killed as a kid at the beginning of this movie, he wouldn't have grown up to send Kyle Reese back in time to have Sarah's baby.
There was no longer a Skynet future war at all. Kyle Reese wouldn’t even exist as a person, since he was born after the start of the war. All that ever existed of him in the world Sarah has known is the man who came out of a time warp in 1984.
This entire movie can be summed up with the classic line, "She don't need no man, no how! "
also she would like to see the terminator's manager.
My main problem was that they show that the timeline will apparently just readjust itself to find a new savior.
Which kind of means that it doesn't really matter if they succeed or fail, if they succeed it means another might be sent for her later and if they fail the movie just showed with John that someone else will step up becoming the new savior.
Not to mention that no matter what the moment anything goes back in time it seems to cause a ripple effect where it apparently postpones Judgement Day anyways.
Yes, this is a problem with Terminator timelines (not necessarily all time travel). In order for ANY Terminator story, Skynet MUST be created and start the war. When it does, or if it wins afterwards are mutable, but the mere existence of a Terminator, Resistance etc means that the war happens. It's a closed loop. For me, that's why the end of T3 was satisfying, if not happy - none of the events of 1 or 2 could happen if the future was changed, so John Connor DOESN'T prevent Judgement Day. He just survives it.
This is exactly what I loved so much about the movie. The never-ending cycle means that, as Carl told Sarah, “We all can change the future, every second, by every choice that we make” - he learned that from her example. It means that there will always be a doomsday just around the corner, but that we can keep making a choice to stop it.
That’s not just a message about killer robots in a sci-fi future. It’s about every great danger we’re all facing in our real world. And it’s also the perfect ending to the entire series.
@@theaikidoka T1 presented time travel as a closed loop. T2 had the characters learn about that loop, and then they decided to break it. James Cameron’s third movie in the series reconciles the two ideas, to present a never-ending struggle between predestination and free will.
All we wanted was a movie in the future, where we get to see the actual war and the aftermath. That's all every terminator fan or a casual moviegoer wanted. When salvation trailer came out, we were all excited thinking it was finally happening, then the movie happened. They have destroyed not only one of my all time fave franchise, but one of the greatest franchises ever!
There shoulda been a movie where they showed the events leading up to the battle where Kyle and the first Terminator were sent to 1984. Perhaps a young Kyle Reese growing up in the ruins and the world post Judgement Day.
So from what I understand there was alot of rewrites or was it reshoots with this film?
Originally the Main Girl was supposed to be one of John's Followers/Second In Command.
Legion was supposed to be the Virus that actually infected Skynet.
Legion/Skynet then made a deal with some of John's Followers that they could live but would have to be turned into cyborgs/Rev-9s. They then betray and kill Future John and the Main Chick escapes and becomes the second main Resistance Leader who helps fight back against Legion/Skynet. So they set one of the Rev-9s/Traitors to the Past to kill her after having already set back and succeeded in killing off Young John Conner.
I feel like they should have kept that backstory cause at least it stilll ties into Skynet and John Connor from the future and it makes the new Terminator interesting because it was originally a human being who turned traitor.
Also I would have liked to actually see more of Arnold being a normal guy with his human family. I feel like they gave him interesting parts like in Genesys and this but did nothing with it. Part of me kinda wants them to do another film that ties together Salvation, Genesys and Dark Fate together to wrap up any or all loose ends. But we all know it would never be good.
Geneysis is so much better than this crap
I really enjoy Dark Fate as it is, but I would have enjoyed that story as well. There have been plenty of interesting takes on an alternate Terminator 3 (including the trilogy of Infiltrator novels that came out right before the third movie), and they all have one thing in common: they're more thematically interesting than T3.
If I could jump back into a time displacement sphere and go back to 2003 to do a page-one script rewrite, I think I'd run with an idea introduced in Dark Fate: the notion that Skynet sent back a few more Terminators as contingency plans. I'd stick with the idea that Judgment Day was indeed stopped, and these infiltration units would work to restore a future that had been wiped out of existence by weaving themselves into society and influencing the development of weapons technology and AI.
Perhaps John could be working for a tech company that just happens to be run by one of these displaced Terminators. John thinks that he is keeping an eye on artificial intelligence advancements to ensure that history doesn't repeat itself, but he's ironically contributing to the dark future that he once prevented. And this time, the machines are happy to keep him alive and working for them. When he inevitably discovers what's happening, the Terminators begin a more grassroots war on humanity, causing major accidents through automated systems (subway trains, planes, passenger ships, what have you). It then becomes a race to stop them from getting their hands on the nuclear codes.
A story like that would have felt more timely in 2003. T3 kinda-sorta touched on Y2K fears, but it did little with it. Even worse, it totally neglected the fact that international terrorism was the real fear during the Bush Jr. era, not mutually-assured destruction. The idea that your friend or coworker could be trying to bring about the end of the world would have been right at home in the paranoia of the early 2000s. And they still could've ended it with Judgment Day--that's the one thing that T3 actually got right in concept (if not execution).
That's a shame. I actually think that potentially, mostly, sounds way more interesting, to me, and is telling a more newish type of story.
Let me see if I can explain this for those of you who are confused. In terminator to the theatrical cut, Arnold says that he learns by observing humans. And we see John Connor teach him how to do stuff, the Terminator, who calls himself Carl in this one, is that times 20 years James Cameron even said, we had seen a terminator programmed to be bad, we had seen one program to be good, so he wanted to do a terminator that made his own choice. That learned for 20 years and decided what he wanted to do. It was the only way to not repeat himself from the first two. Which is why? In my opinion, this is the real T3. And this is the movie we should’ve gotten 2003. Cameron was going to be a producer and writer on that one, but he left the project. He also wrote the original script treatment for this one meaning he wrote the story. Terminator, three rise of the machines was a cash grab, I was looking for something more than, “judgment day is inevitable.” This makes more sense, that Skynet never comes to be. And a different AI takes over. As much as I like this movie, and as much as I consider it, the official T3, a part of me is happy that it bombed because they won’t make a follow up one and ruin it.
In my opinion This movie bombed because of franchise fatigue. People were tired of all the cash grab pieces of garbage they made. This is the movie we should’ve gotten in 2003.
Do I think it’s as good as the first two? No, but they were never going to TOP T2 no matter what they did.
I remember watching this film at theater devastated seeing John dead from the get go and totally threw me off there, but I liked the concept of Terminator vs Terminator from different future.
I think the time machine puts you into a Schrodinger's type situation, like once you plug the time machine in, every time that you thought about turning it on, it was actually turned on, just not in your timeline. So when Skynet was plotting all the times where John might be vulnerable, and only sent *one* Terminator back, all the other possible Skynet timelines also sent just one but now in real time you are getting a Terminator in every possible location.
Rick and morty made a good episode about exactly what you just said with snakes lol it was awesome 🤣🤣
So realistically there's an army of Terminators ranging from the T-800 to the T-X if there is truly one timeline.
You are so missing out by not watching the TV show, it is better than most of all those movies.
agree 💯 too bad the show stop after season 2
There were also terminators sent back in time to complete various other missions that would help bring skynet into fruition as well. If any of these terminators found out who John was their mission program would immediately change to eliminate John. One makes sure a traffic camera system in the future becomes the eyes of skynet, another takes the form of a US army officer and safeguards a shipment of metal that will later become future terminators (its in that episode where it shows what is supposed to happen when a terminator completes its mission). And then there are terminators who like the TX in T3 are sent back to terminate other important people who will aid the human race in some big way in the future.
When you think about it skynet was stupid for sending a bunch of terminators spread out instead of all the terminators all at once at the same time
I mean at the end of the day it's just necessary for the plot, if they sent back 10 of them the movie would either end in 5 mins or be ridiculously unbelievable. It was necessary to write into the plot that even Skynet had limitations to it's time traveling capabilities.
10 clones of Arnold Schwarzenegger appearing all at once who-knows-where (all records were destroyed in the nuclear holocaust) is a questionable infiltration strategy.
@@MrBazBake Aren't there other models? Why not just send those?
What I really enjoyed about Carl: This character was a composite of every previous Terminator iteration that Arnold had done, from the emotionless killer to the robot that learns the value of human life. And once the killer robot learned the value of human life, he then understood what he’d done to John and Sarah, and he discovered some concept of guilt and a need to make up for it. It was the perfect final role for Arnold to have in the series.
For a bit more explanation, two important conditions happened: Carl killed his target John Connor in 1998, but Skynet and the entire war (which were supposed to happen in 1997) were no longer there. He explained to Sarah that he no longer had any orders, so he instead spent the next 20 years blending in with humanity. And the longer he did that, the more his actual mindset changed.
This also presented a really interesting philosophical paradox, when Dani asked him whether he had loved his family, after they just drove off: “Not like a human can. For many years, I thought it was an advantage. It isn’t.” He said he couldn’t truly feel human emotions - and he was clearly very sad and lonely about that!
That whole exchange reminded me of another classic movie quote: “Now I know that I have a heart, because it’s breaking.”
I have not got to the end of the video yet but I wanted to comment. In Terminator 3 the Terminator that is sent back is the one that killed John in the future. He was reprogrammed and sent back to protect John by his wife who was played by Claire Danes in the past. The main issue with that storyline is Judgement Day still happens and John Connor is the one who leads the resistance to beat the machines. Dark fate is suggesting that at the end of T2 Skynet is defeated and Judgment Day does not happen but there is still a Terminator in the past which later kills John and becomes Carl because he has no purpose. I think the problem that Jen is having is the fact that the Terminator becomes Carl but that is very plausable when you consider that Skynet causes judgement day because it became self-aware. There's no reason to think that a machine programed by Skynet cannot also become self aware.
So, why does Carl choose to do these things that leads him to help a mother?
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No offense guys, but I specifically skipped to yalls commentary at the end of these last two videos just to make sure yall thought these movies were as bad as they actually are.
And you were right.
John asks Arnolds terminator in the second one what he would do if he failed and he said his whole existence was to protect john outside of that his life did not matter, they are going with the idea that AI can learn and through time he learned more about humanity other then what Skynet told him. Also because Skynet no longer existed he needed to find another way to fit in until his power cells wore out hence adapting to portray a human without being human i still say he was mimicking human nature and not actually becoming more human.
But after T-800 completed it's mission, there's no reason for it to do anything that would allow it to help or learn.
@Dagenspear it's an AI by definition it never stops learning
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Don't know if you guys noticed, but, Rev-9, Gabriel Luna, plays Tommy on the HBO's The last of Us and Robbie Reyes/Ghost Rider on Agents of S.h.i.e.l.d.
Killing John Connor in the first few minutes... a BIG no!
Agreed! They lost me when they killed him.
Get over it.
I have, I disregard this POS, and T1&T2 ends there :)@@mrdavman13
Holden trying to explain the time travel across the different films just reminds me of the scene in Endgame with Hulk.. "Time travel!"
I liked Dark Fate a lot more than most people did. In part because the win in Terminator 2 was allowed to stand - even though John died, Skynet was straight-up prevented. I could have done with Legion and its future being a bit more different from Skynet's, but still.
Also, I like how resourceful the Rev-9 Terminator was, making use of local infrastructure and communications, and how socially adept it was. Also, props to Legion's time targeting: right outside Dani's door, having missed her by minutes.
Legion never got the benefit of learning what Skynet did wrong. Some different engineer created it but it probably came about the same way just a bit later so it stands to reason that it would eventually try the same thing that Skynet did just with a different name.
Skynet was prevented, but basically a fairly similar thing happened and the emotional and structural focus was totally blown off, for basically a poor retread of the first 2 movies.
I don’t know how else to say it so I’ll just say it: I think Jenn’s opinion that just because the Terminator is a machine it can’t have feelings shows a lack of imagination. Not to mention continuity. Didn’t the T-800 in ‘T2’ begin demonstrating emotions after having its CPU switched to read/write? And that occurred after only a couple of days. Karl had decades to grow emotionally. After all, the A.I. is a sentient machine, self-aware, and a learning computer. It seems like it’s natural state is to grow and evolve which would cover all territories of being . . .alive.
(just like Johnny5)
If what you say is true then why did that Termiantor leave John to be killed by another Terminator just 3 months or whatever later if it knew that Skynet was sending a dozen other Terminators? I mean, Carl who is the same Model as Bob knew that so presumably Bob also knew that and knew that other terminators were being sent. So what happened?
@@danhair Why would the “Uncle Bob” Terminator know? He was captured by the humans likely prior to the mission to attack the base with the time displacement equipment. The only reason Carl knows is because he was sent back to kill and so has the most up to date information. It’s the same reason capturing a random soldier on patrol wouldn’t give you knowledge of that country’s special ops missions, that random solider wouldn’t have that info.
I should stop watching UA-cam on my TV. My cat totally freaks out when you shout "comment of the day!" and turn into evil Gandalf.
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The thing with the T800's new "purpose" is kind of iffy. Initially, the T800s were created with the sole purpose of single target missions. Even though they were designed to work with neural-net processors, they were set to "read-only", to prevent them from learning too much and perform undesired self core-reprograming and thus, reducing the risk of them disobeying the initial directives. Even the one in T2 was in read-only mode and there is a deleted scene where Sarah removes the CPU and sets it to "read-write". My best guess, is that after a "read-only" T800 fulfills its mission, it becomes "dormant", in the sense that it does minimum learning and interaction with the environment, but has no direct purpose. It is still unclear how one would fit into our society, taking into consideration that it cannot self-terminate and cannot be reprogrammed. I suppose it might just go off the grid and "live" until the nuclear battery runs out. Note that the T800s were build for assassination missions for the 80's, so their core programming includes human anatomy, combat, weapons, tactics, strategic plays, knowledge about machine architecture etc, but i guess the core-programming can be customized depending on the timeline you want them to go to.
In the end, It would make more sense that a "read-write" T800 would achieve almost-human consciousness, because its CPU is open to learning and can self-program.
Keep in mind in T2, Arnie started learning and understanding emotion after having the switch flipped:- "I know now why you cry". If this Arnie arrived with the chip already switched, and had 20 years to learn and simulate emotional attachments, it could make sense. If he didn't., none of this makes sense.
He only has the switch flipped in the extended cut of T2, theatrical he can learn without it.
The flipping of the switch was essentially a deleted scene. It was later added into the directors cut because the garage scene was pretty cool. But the theatrical release stated that the cpu is a learning computer. So there is no “switch”. Who knows if they are taking the directors cut as cannon or the theatrical release…
the t-800's were first and foremost infiltration units, the unstoppable robot body is just a symptom of being created by Robot AI, but they're meant to sneak into human settlements and adapt and learn, essentially spies, although back in the day, we had this vision of a super stiff robot that arnold nailed perfectly but nowdays i think we realize it'd be much more nuanced and for an infilitration unit, maybe pick someone like 5'6 and 130lb's to blend in
One of the issues this Movie ran into is Arnold was suppose to be a surprise. Then some marketing idiot put him in a trailer spoiling what was suppose to be a surprise. It was a good movie but it came up short and the spoiler made it harder to enjoy
not sure that's true. arnold was a part of the press run the entire time.
@@notthatsrssrsly Press Tours Come After the first round of Trailers
The initial teaser trailer showed him opening the door to Sarah, Grace, and Dani, who are already far along in their journey. It didn’t tell you who he was or what he had to do with the story. And come on, you have to publicize that Arnold is in a Terminator movie.
The one major problem this movie has, in terms of continuity with T2, is that no way the Terminator from T2 "Uncle Bob" would have asked to self terminate in the end, if it knows everything about Skynet, then he/it would have known there were other Terminators sent to kill John, so his mission to protect him would not have been completed yet. T2 wrapped everything so perfectly that by trying to make direct sequels just doesnt work because they would stopped that original timeline.
However there is a theory that sys no matter how much you mess with time it would self correct and the events happen no matter what ie killing Hitler as a youth would not have prevented WW2 since someone else would have taken his spot.
Salvation had the right idea but they messed it up. If they had mapped out a trilogy giving us the war vs the machines starting with the origin of Skynet, Judgement Day and the first battles vs the machines in Pt1, the first victories vs the machines and rise of John Connor in Pt2 and the final events leading up to the T-800 going back in time for Pt3 that would have been better IMO.
There's also the fact that: John sent protectors for T1/2, why didn't he send others after that?
Eh, movie isn't the best. I'd say T2>T1>Salvation>T3>Dark fate>Genesis
Agreed
and that's how it ends I hope you enjoyed the terminator saga it was amazing and load for another great saga ... the one you guys choose, I'll look at it with a lot of glamor greetings

It's a case of the Missus overthinking things. In the theatrical release of T2, it's explicitly said that the Terminator learns and adopts human behavior by being exposed to humans.
Here, this T-800 fulfilled its objective, and was continuously exposed to humanity. He fell along with Alicia, and in so doing, became her and her son's protector. Along the way, he was continually learning and adapting--becoming more human. That's why, when Grace skeptically asked if he grew a conscience, he said it was of a sort. He didn't actually magically grow a conscience; he became more human, which he was _designed_ to do.
It really isn't complicated if one can keep oneself from overthinking it.
I'm really glad you ended up filming for all of these! I think the first 4 are pretty solid movies overall and worth watching. The last two I was very *meh* while watching. Lol. Wish we had a better finale for an amazing franchise!!!! But I'll take what I love about it and leave the rest. ✌️
The new Terminator also plays Ghostrider in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
terminators are designed to learn human behavior. so after his objective was done he developed on becoming more human etc.
And the big question that is asked in most AI movies is if imitating human behavior could lead to them actually having human feelings. I think this will be discussed a lot the next years, as GPT rapidly advances.
@@rowaystarco for the purpose of the movie even if his feelings were not genuine it explains his actions.
But why would it help, to get to this point?
@@Dagenspear what point?
6:36 This is Mackenzie Davis, my favorite actress of the past decade. She was fantastic in the series Halt and Catch Fire.
Her look of physical desperation in this movie is partly great acting, and partly real. She was on an absolutely grueling diet and exercise regimen for this movie, and was feeling every bit of the physical strain. Also fun fact, her last day of shooting was for the first scene we met her, when Grace arrived in in our time, beat up the cops, and stole that young Mexican couple’s clothes and car. (Maybe a movie production and time travel have some things in common.) She also refused an offer to wear skin-colored costume underwear, and insisted on actually filming her fight scene in the nude. By comparison, Arnold was naked for the T1 scene where he kills the punks for their clothes, but he wore some kind of trunks for the T2 scene with the extended fight at the biker bar.
I believe the Sarah Connor Chronicles method of handling Terminators behavior after completing missions was perfectly done. A Terminator having no secondary missions and just being free to do whatever is just a not sound tactical maneuver.
I hope they watch this as well. I loved that show. And it has my favorite T-1000.
@@Bwleon7- Technically, it was a T-1001. And yes, I love that it showed it revolt against Skynet.
While the T 800 might be a machine there’s a whole scene terminator 2 where he explains his CPU is a learning computer and John even tries to teach him to be more human so him growing a conscience having a family shouldn’t be a problem
This movie bombed. It was too WOKE Arnie's balls were gone at this point
I believe the terminator could have "evolved" since it is a computer designed to learn to asset threats. It could after it completed it's base function, find a new purpose. Then with a family and civilization it could compute the importance of people protecting other people, such as family, without completely understanding why they do. Like the one protecting John siad "I know now why you cry" and then begin computing things through that format.
And now you have experienced the steep decline in the Terminator franchise from the ground breaking first movie, the even better iconic second movie, the disappointing 3rd movie, the slightly better but still not great Salvation and then the double combo dumpster fire movies Genisys and Dark Fate. It's sad that this is what happened to a lot of beloved franchises.
I think Jen maybe confusing the fact that all of these terminators are the same model, but each one is a seperate unit off of the assembly line. In T1, that terminator was sent back in time to kill Sarah, at that particular point they had also sent multiples of that model to other varying points in time. In T2 John sent back another of that same model, but its programming was different, which showed us that it can learn and grow. In Dark Fate, the same type of unit that killed John, had completed it's mission, but as we saw in T2 it would have been able to adapt to a regular lifestyle.
There are lots of reasons why these movies don't make sense, but I think that this actuall does.
I actually like the one that killed John developing a personality, the terminators never just kill people randomly when they're sent back unless they are provoked, they only go after people to do with thier mission or people preventing thier mission, so having completed his objective and having nothing to do I can understand it observing people and joining in with society etc, it's not like it can go back to the future, it's stuck there, it might as well do something, and it developing emotion etc over time that strays from its programming reminds me of walle doing the same thing, and I like that movie so this gets a pass. And also since sky net didn't exist anymore it had no reason to try and secure skynets future because it can't happen, it holds no grudge against Sarah or the rest of them so might aswell help
First, if what you say is true, then why didn't T-Bob warn John and Sarah about the other termiantors? Why didn't it stay with them to protect them further?
Also why didn't the Terminator try to revive Skynet? It had all the files and data about how Skynet was created and all its technology in its body. It could have recreated all of it and created another Skynet in a world without John Connor.
If I drop a human in a jungle, then will that human regress into a wild animal or will it try to survive and find a way back to civilization with its knowledge and survival skills? Termiantors becoming humans makes no sense.
Talk to an AI see how much it cares about you.
@@danhair first part, they hadn't come up with that plot point yet idk, or maybe he would have had he survived the film, or maybe that information was lost to him as part of the reprogramming
Second, grunts in an army aren't always given the same info as generals etc so a base terminator may not have access to every single piece of vital information, like what if one was captured, then the resistance would know every base location, weapon schematics etc, you get the point, and build skynet, wasnt one of its objectives so maybe he just didn't feel like it
And 3rd, I think the first thing that happens when you drop your human in the jungle is they do basic survival stuff, like an animal, hunting etc, if they manage to build a shelter and stockpile food then they might start to have time to work out an escape plan or something, or maybe they decide they like the jungle and want to live with the parrots, I see the analogy you're making but am not entirely sure it works because you're assuming the terminators processing works in the same way a human brain does, there's probably a difference in thier logical thinking and how they priorities different objectives, for a start a terminator doesn't need food, it has a seemingly self sufficient long term power source whereas your jungle human doesn't which is an immediate difference of the bat,
Anyway, I think it works, it makes enough sense to me for me not to get hung up on it, if its not enough for you, great, go leave a review on the movie saying so
@@birdienator7377 That doesn't really explain why he wouldn't know, especially give, for no reason developed, it seems John didn't send protectors for those either.
What I Found Information T-850 (referred to as T-101 in Terminator 3) Physically identical to the T-800, the T-850 has some significant upgrades: one of its basic subroutines is understanding human psychology, and it was also able to bypass the original its programming and operate independently while fulfilling its mission objectives. Based on this, it could work well according to the movie when in idle mode.
I will always love and defend Dark Fate. It’s my favorite Terminator film. Yes, even over T2.
Wow, interesting. Its definitely my third favorite with Salvation right behind it as my fourth. But to me T1 and T2 are the gold standard. T3 is meh, and Genisys is just bad lol
You were definitely hit on the head as a child
@@Samsonfs just cause I like a movie you don’t? How mature bro…
@@chrisromero2608 yes we can all agree Genysis is bad
It's just a poorly done regurgitation of T2 and T1.
"Someone killed my dad over a can of peaches"
Holden: "Hmm... Del Monte..."
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I enjoyed Dark Fate more than anything after Terminator 2
Ditto.
I completely agree.
I think it's worse, structure, story and progressing character wise.
How would you rank all the terminators?
For me
T2
TS
T1
T3
TG
TD
T1/T2 (Both number one for different reasons T1 is such a good horror film and T2 is one of the greatest action films ever)
TD
TS
TG
T3 (cant stand T3 in the slightest)
You guys have to do Sarah Conor Chronicles now
Terminators are neither good nor bad, they are just machines programmed to complete specific tasks. The T-800 Terminators are a learning infiltration machine that are designed to blend into society, and this movie explored what such a machine would do once it had completed its mission, and because Skynet no longer exists to provide any further instructions it learned to think for itself. Carl gave itself a new mission to protect this family and learned the value of life, growing a conscious, blending into society as per its design. I wouldn't call what he is now 'emotional', more like understanding.
I liked Dark Fate personally, I hope they enjoyed it too. Guess I’ll find out
I really like it too. With the kind of comments I heard about it when it first released, I expected it to be modern Steven Seagal movie levels of bad. But it’s really well made! I don’t even think it’s the worst in the Terminator franchise itself.
Its garbage.
The guy that played the villain also played ghost rider in the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.LD
What's next?
Hunger Games?
Karate Kid / Cobra Kai?
Doctor Who?
Dark?
It's funny that this movie disregards any previous sequels after T2, yet they recycle distinctive elements of those sequels in this one: a terminator that killed John Connor becomes a protector (T3), killing the evil terminator with a power cell (T3), a human-machine hybrid protector (Salvation), an aged terminator (Genisys)
I feel like salvation, genysis and this all had some decent elements but none of them are remotely coherent or full packages. A film with the tone of salvation, maybe the timeline meddling of genysis and the rev 9 dual terminator of dark fate could be very good
The thumbnail just tells you how much pain he feels
I'm not sure about you guys, but we all can agree that terminator 1 and 2 were the best. I'm my personal opinion rise of the machine comes close to a sequel. I wasn't a fan of the rest salvation was good because we finally got to see John become the leader we been waiting for.
Salvation is way better that T3 which was pretty much Dollar Store T2
@@domingorubies656 I'm not sure about better it has its moments, but the film does drag a bit.
@@domingorubies656 it's all good, me personally terminator 3 felt more of a good sequel due to almost the of the world type of thing and it was a good connection to the first 2 films. The introduction of Katherine Booster aka John's wife and the Origin of John becoming the leader.
In Terminator 2 Arnold Schwarzenegger had said to John Connor and Sarah Connor that the more he interacts with humans the more he learns...when Sarah was pulling the bullets out of him.
That's why the T-800 blended in so well, over the decades, after he accomplished his mission to kill John.
Technically the t-800 would have no reason to be hostile after accomplishing his mission. It's not so confusing if you remember key dialogue from the previous James Cameron Terminator films. A lot of people were angry with dark fade because John Connor died, even though it's already been said in the previous films that there is no fate but what we make and the future is not set. The fact that Legion is the new Skynet goes back to what the t-800 replied to John, when John asked, "we're not going to make it are we?" And the t-800 responded, "it is in your nature to destroy yourselves". So basically if it's not one thing, it's another that will destroy Humanity.
Terminator dark fate is definitely my third favorite though
John Connor needs to come back.
Funny thing there is a fan made TERMINATOR short film where they got thee original John Connor. The guy at the beginning of TERMINATOR 2 who had the facial scare but he didn't have any dialogue. Well in the fan made film he has dialogue. It is very low buget film. But in a sense THE TERMINATOR low buget but sticks the landing. The short film is on UA-cam.
For Jen’s confusion - Karl was another terminator sent back as a redundancy (one of many) it arrived AFTER the events of Terminator 2 where events had been changed and Sarah had destroyed Skynet before it was built. But it still came from the original future (as Karl said to the new terminator) he came from a now deleted timeline.
After he killed 12 year old John, his mission was completed, he had no further mission, but Terminators cannot swlf-terminate (as said in T2) so it maintains its other objectives which include fitting in and appearing human for camouflage. He met a woman with a child and used them for this camouflage. But would realise from news and media that skynet no longer existed. The T-800 is a form of AI, its programming makes it emulate humans for camouflage, so this emulation programming made him start to question who he was since technically he shouldno longer exist. He also essentially becomes a father and cares about his son, realising he took that from sarah, so that’s how he grew a conscience as they put it - his emulation gave him freedom from his programming and emulated emotions of care for his family and as a result guilt for killing john and doing that to sarah - he didn’t learn love, but he did kind of learn empathy. So he started sending sarah details to help her on her mission of revenge.
The issue I have is a terminator can be sent from a deleted future why can't a protector also be sent to stop it from that deleted timeline. I can accept these terminators having come through but surely in that timeline they also sent people to stop them. What did the resistance look at the records and go "nah we only need to send a person to these 3 points to protect john. Those other 1,135 terminators will be fine."
@@liamwarner5749 that’s a fair point, usually where there’s a terminator sent there’s been a protector.
I like this movie because I like the concept that the Terminator series wasn't "John Connor saves the world", but rather "The Sarah Connor Chronicles".
It can get to it's own choppa! 😂
i agree, thats always what the films been about, like sure john connor is the "savior of humanity" but we only hear about that anecdotally, what we do see if sarah connor being a bad ass, fighting robots with antiquated tech and being the first freedom fighter vs skynet
Holden now that you've watched almost all big movies and series it about time you jump into the monsterverse I'll love it a lot
It’s kinda of shame the Dark Universe wasn’t able to get established.
@@Stupranos ?
@@anvaysharma6705 Universal had plans on rebooting all the old monster movies into their own cinematic universe. Like Mummy, Frankenstein, Wolfman, Dracula and so on. The Tom Crusise Mummy was supposed to be the start but that flopped to where it was all basically scrapped.
Killing off John Connor made the events of T2 pointless
Judgment Day was always inevitable. That's the whole point
@@brandondetroitfanmichaels4325 missing the point, saving John was pointless if everything is inevitable plus that’s a plot device lifted from T3. Dark Fate is a very well made film but awful script and Carl, reliant on dead pan comedy was again to far and I couldn’t take Danni seriously when a 4ft woman was able to beat up all those people in that flashback scene.
No it isnt pointless. Dark Fate takes place in another reality, despite what Cameron says.
@@peterlenham3180 didn’t Cameron endorse this film and was a producer in this film?
@@kd84afc Well Cameron is only interested in his Avatar rubbish. He's not the director he used to be. Story and character WAS always important in his films, but now he's just focused on the technology, and story and character are a distant memory. I don't care if he says this is a sequel to T2, as far as Im concerned it takes place in an alternate timeline/reality.
37:44 regarding only being able to send 1 Terminator. It was in Terminator 1, after the Terminator and then Kyle got sent through John and the crew blew up the time displacement equipment.
T2 already had to have changed that! That statement was obviously the truth as far as what Kyle Reese knew was going on. But clearly some other stuff happened involving John Connor’s personal Resistance unit and Skynet, after they sent Reese down the time tunnel.
T1 and T2 is all I need about this franchise, but thanks for the effort Tim.
Please watch “Upgrade!”It was such a breath of fresh air and the camera movement in that is unbelievable good!
So glad you watched this! I loooooove this movie actually, and that's coming off of Salvation & Genesis, neither of which I liked, but maybe it's because Cameron was involved again. Looooved it! Glad you liked it somewhat, LOL!
Tbh the moment they killed John Conner, my immediate response was, “Yep, I’m done. They lost me.”