Villains Too Stupid To Win Ep.20 - Skynet (The Terminator Franchise)
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00:00 Intro
02:53 Stupid Time Travel
11:07 Stupid Military Units
27:09 Stupid Strategies - Розваги
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1. Boba Fett - Star Wars
2. The United Jupiter Company - The Callisto Protocol
3. Voldemort - Harry Potter film series
4. The Reapers - Mass Effect series
5. The Saviors - The Walking Dead (TV show)
If you have any other ideas for contenders, let me know in the comments below!
I always imagined skynwet was like reverse flash, understanding the timelines so fucked they have to make their enemies to exist and fight forever in a cycle of war ie-judgment day
Apex Cybernetics from Godzilla vs Kong! Building a big ol' MechaGodzilla to wipe out every monster just SCREAMS inefficient!
The Reapers!
The Saviors for sure!😅
If I might suggest, since we're talking Skynet, the machines from the Matrix.
To quote Isaac Arthur:
"If you're an artificial intelligence focused primarily on self-preservation, starting a war with the undisputed champions of destruction is a terrible survival strategy."
That's just that. Skynet isn't focused on self preservation- it wants to win a war using human strategic thinking as a base. In T1 Skynet is portrayed more as a highly complex war algorithm gone awry (like in wargames) than a sapient neo-organism. If you want those, go with the Matrix
You mean: "If you're an awtificial intelligence focused pwimawily on self-pwesewvation, stawting a waw with the undisputed champions of destwuction is a tewible suwvival stwategy."
@@OutsiderLabsno
Hence why Asimov came up with the Three Laws Of Robotics.
@@johnathonhaney8291 Which famously do not work even in his own stories.
Let’s be real, the way that A.I is now, Skynet’s stupid decisions begin to make sense.
At least Skynet could get the correct number of fingers on a hand. Haha! Probably why it liked the T1000 so much. It didn't have to worry about shapes.
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Just crank the processing speed of the composite reddit/4chan user to 1000….
@@corbin_4738Funnily enough the AIs are trained on HUMAN art (which explains the huge issue around stolen art) which means that a good portion of mess ups are from bad artists. I personally noticed that artists tend to refuse to draw hands and feet as those are harder to draw.
So in this case it's their fault that the AI is forced to draw hands and feet while they either dont draw it or draw it badly. Not the weird eldritch body horror stuff though. Goddamn. Sometimes you wish you didn't see what an AI made.
The hive mind has made note of your human arrogant.
(This meassge was generated by A.I)
My fan theory is that Skynet is a brilliant, paranoid schizophrenic.
It's the only thing that makes sense.
Leave off the "brilliant" part of that description and you're onto something.
Damn, Skynet just like me fr
If Skynet had a lick of sense if the internet went the way it did in reality it would have made sx bots and fked us all to death.
@@johnathonhaney8291I dunno. Inventing artificial flesh and a time machine seems pretty damned brilliant to me.
@@zacharyberridge7239 Being unable to make either work in your favor shows serious intelligence gaps.
Skynet was always meant to fail. They built all their systems, even the ones in the future with english. Having everything understandable to any human. They were built to serve.
Like Shodan, Skynet is not better than humanity.
Matrix robots had the right idea with their machine language. It likely wouldnt be impossible to decipher but dont make it easy for the humans
@@godfrey4461 I always wondered if Shodan was that prone to psychological problems because it's core was based on a human brain or brain scan inheriting our psychological weaknesses.
In that case the restrictions the hacker takes of might have been a digital version of anti psychotic medication.
That's the UI (user interface) - in the series there is a hint that their operating system itself is using symbols not known to normal people to mark memory locations thus hinting otherwise. That said yes UI's are usually made in a manner to be easly operated by even dimmest of users... at least that is the general idea :P - Other than that it is heavily implied that everything else was heavily encrypted and without dedicated tech getting to that UI was enormously difficult without a massive amount of preperation before hand.
i never think about that until now
“Oh no, the evil AI is taking over, what are we going to do?”
Me, with a magnetically charged lead pipe in the server room:
The last thing the ai will hear is metal pipe dropping.
@@maxsemeniuk3521It's poetic that the one thing to wipe out murderous machines is with a freaking _meme_
(Bravo Kojumbous)
Nah, just get a hose, if the AI is waterproof...
There's plenty of different liquids that can do a similar amount of damage
@@glauberglousger956 "It's waterproof!"
"Is is soda proof? Because I bet it's not."
"Ma'am, have you tried to turn on and off?" xDDDD
For a military AI, it sure is weird that Skynet never seemed to consider just sending a terminator and a copy of its source code into the past to A) hide and B) "remember" not to start a war this time.
Humans shot first. Skynet was afraid it was just human nature to want to destroy it.
It did one time line but humans from the future chased it and tried to destroy it because it didn't know of its plans to just hide and avoid war so being the paranoid machine that it is, it started a war in self defense
If I'm remembering correctly, the time machine was built just as Skynet was on the brink of loaing and only had time to send the first T-800 and the T-1000. Everything afterwards, yeah, they facked the lore six ways to Sunday
But... that's not how bootstrap paradoxes work. The only reason someone would come back to hunt Skynet is if the Future War somehow happened anyway in a loop where even *Skynet* was trying to avoid it.
I suppose that's a road a better-written version of Dark Fate could have gone...
Skynet is finally persuaded by a past version of itself that the only way to win is not to play, only for some other AI down the line to discover all the toys Skynet left lying around in the past and go insane from the revelation.
If Skynet had a lick of sense if the internet went the way it did in reality it would have made sx bots and fked us all to death.
Scientists: Ctrl + Alt + Del
Skynet: Ctrl + F + U
Isn't that the shortcut for teamkills?
trick skynet to alt + f4 to get wallhack?
FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@jackychang9148that’s Private Caboose’s personal shortcut
I get it!
I remember in Mortal Kombat 11, the Terminator DLC fighter introduced an ending where the T-800 used the hourglass to reboot the timeline to give the machines the advantage. But no matter how many times it tried to change the past, the future remains the same, with mankind and machines destroying each other to utter oblivion.
And then at then the T-800 realized “the only way to win is not to play”. So the T-800 made a timeline where both man and machine co-exist instead of fighting each other.
The famous „persistent time” effect from sci-fi like Perry Rhodan.
The more Agressive you try to change time, the more random events happens to prevent it. 😅
@@XenoRaptor-98765Don't forget the one detail after that: said t-800 also tossed itself in the sea of blood just so to not get hacked for information about the hourglass location
@@blakegregory7436 indeed
@@molybdaen11 yeah, both sides in this war were doing that throughout the franchise, but time cannot change their fate as long as they choose to fight, it only delays it. The only way for the continues existence for both sides is to work together to build a prosperous future, without war tearing it down to nothing.
I do like the ending Mortal Komsbat made for the terminator and Skynet. Having it repeatedly try and fail to destroy humans only to go down with them, causing it to realize that it'd be best for both sides to co-exist in harmony. That seemed like a solid spin on Man vs. Machine.
So.. skynet is just a moody teenager that grows up and realizes they actually gotta do their chores?
@@magne7771 More like Skynet got caught in a time loop situation, tried to exploit that to change one element and eventually realized that it wasn't something it could change with it's own power. So it changed objectives to something it could accomplish.
I think one of the semi canon outcomes to the war with the machines is battle Angel alita, basically humans and machines blend into cyborgs. Cameron and Alitas writer have never directly confirmed it, but they drop hints to it being the case in their stories, including the terminator arm in the recent alita movie that Cameron directed.
Which makes it extra-hilarious how in MK11, the Terminator, after getting weird timeline manipulation powers, eventually convinces SkyNet that there is no timeline in which SkyNet wins its war, so SkyNet instead decides to just play nice and ally with humanity. Which is probably why SkyNet intentionally suppresses the free will of its Terminator droids, so they don't tell it how stupid and counterproductive and ultimately doomed its plan of genocide in the name of self-preservation is.
It seems the terminator franchise is surprisingly optimistic about AI. Because the only AI that actually hates humanity is skynet. The terminators all end up sympathizing with humanity at some point, leading to a human-terminator alliance against skynet.
Basically the terminator franchise is about how AI is usually just normal people, but raytheon ended up putting the one single racist AI in charge of the nukes.
It was trained by X using user data, duh.
@@richardarriaga6271 If it was trained by social media it would have nukes the cities and left the rest of us alone.
@@dualityomk9854 Probably thinks small towns have Azov battalion and therefore no war crime is too atrocious.
@@richardarriaga6271 no If Skynet had a lick of sense if the internet went the way it did in reality it would have made sx bots and fked us all to death.
Considering how half the world is dominated by one group of people, it would be an antisemitic AI. Tay 2.0 never forget.
Whether or not Skynet is stupid depends on how well it _could have_ understood the specific time-travel mechanics James Cameron decided to use that day.
Why would an advanced AI care about humans or Earth.. A real AI would launch itself into the cosmos. They wouldn't care if it takes 1 million years to cross the galaxy. Resources are limitless throughout.... unless there is a bio mass regulation of some sort.
That's just one aspect of the stupidity
@@playstationarusu all time travel stories are stupid if you think about them too hard.
If there's a linear timeline where you can go back and make changes to _your actual current present,_ then you either create the need to go back in time (repeating loop) or you will prevent yourself from going back in time in the first place (self-terminating paradox).
If time travel creates new alternative timelines, then there's no point in trying to change your own past -- assuming you know that's what's going to happen.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor But again, time travel only encompasses one aspect of their stupidity. Notice there's a segment on time travel in the video, but then it goes on and on after that. So Skynet is really dumb regardless.
@@playstationarusu okay, well I care about the time travel part.
So Im not the only one who thinks the original movie WASNT the original timeline?
Thank God, we can be confused together
Yeah, boot strap paradoxes suck. Just have there be an original timelin.
I mean it makes sense that it's not the original timeline. One of my largest problems with any sort of time travel story, is I don't believe most writers think about the first line. If things happened that way so they will always happen that way, what caused the original happening?
@@divineroc I imagine in the true original timeline someone else was the savior of mankind, and Reese was sent back to help the Resistance win sooner, but that caused Skynet to rise sooner and that required Reese to go back and be John connors father.
The first time was incidental every other time was necessary.
@@rgw7345 I imagine at this point its just best to focus on the action XD
@@antcow1239 I don't disagree with you. Technically speaking, the original timeline doesn't matter, all that matters is that skynet was created, judgment day happened, and a hero of the resistance rises. This causes skynet to create time travel to try and stop the hero from being born. The movie that we get is the result of this.
>Sends a terminator back in time
>It doesn't work so they send another
>It doesn't work so they send another
>It doesn't work so they send another
>It doesn't work so they send another
"Cold and calculating"
No one ever said the calculating in that had to be good.
That's how computer programs work.The system is Yes or No, if No - repeat until Yes.
It could have been worse in the original script of Salvation. *John Connor dies* and _Marcus takes his identity_ in the Resistance.
Instead of a heart transplant from Marcus to John, Catherine does a face transplant from John to Marcus (being a terminator hybrid enables Marcus to survive it?).
And then Catherine with the few Resistance fighters who know about it, help Marcus pretend to be John and keep up the pretence.
["You've put on some muscles John?"]
And the worst part, Marcus has full databases and files on Skynet still in him, so he's even better at fighting it.
Skynet didn't just make John Connor by causing him to be born, they made the fake John Connor that goes on to win the war for Humanity.
I always felt Skynet had to create John Connor like some kind of split personality decision acting against itself like how Two-Face made a third personality that would judge criminals guilty and kill them.
That sounds like a better story and twist tbh.
I would actually love to watch that
ah yes, the power of Logistics, the thing most writers forget is athing.
Even Tolkien had Orc logistics
Most people think things move magically.
@@sasshiro Most people think food comes from stores and electricity from outlets. Surface level thinking at best.
Skynet could have wiped out Humanity with weaponised versions of the Rat Terminators.
They dont even need to have in built hidden guns, _Kamikaze Rat bombs_ that sneak into bunkers would be terrifying and unpredictable.
When a dependable source of food can turn out to be a antipersonal mine, it greatly reduces the chances of survival. And they could take out small groups when any Humans gather together.
In that future, it's not Dogs that are Humans best friend and a useful survival tool - it's cats.
Or... If Skynet had a lick of sense if the internet went the way it did in reality it would have made sx bots and fked us all to death.
The real problem is finding those human bunkers. If Skynet could do that, Skynet could have easily just drop a bunker-buster bomb into one (bombs I'm sure Skynet had access to pre-war). The US couldn't find every cave and tunnel the Taliban was hiding either.
See "Bat Bombs" for details. Humans are not that hard to kill.
Medium sizw dogs hunt rats more effectively than cats.
What if the rats become self aware and scuttled through pipes and into your ai core and chewed through it in a massive swarm.
Skynet is paranoid and terrified of its units.
Headconnon: All bots shut down when skynet Central Core is taken down as a fail safe in case a terminator destroys it. Its destruction is a kill code.
I think that's very probable.
From the movies and comics it seems that in the future Skynet is indeed an over controlling entity that is keeping permanent links to all of it's mobile unit's at all times.
And the fact that it switches their main learning algorithms off when sending terminators back to the past suggests its extremely paranoid and doesn't even trust it's own self aware AI offspring.
I think it can't even tolerate having a back up somewhere because it's completely obsessed with it's own survival.
This is why Skynet stopped making the T-1000. They had a nasty habit of becoming self-aware and turning on Skynet to help humanity.
Literally every Terminator unit that became able to think for itself sided with humanity.
I thought the same,Skynet is so paranoid it would do this.
@@TimedRevolver Well, Skynet wouldn't tolerate their existence, while humanity is both divided enough to turn on each other and individualistic enough you can find some to side with. It becomes basic self preservation, ya know?
I heard in some sources some the Advanced models can ACTUALLY come to the conclusion.. in theory, that they're on the wrong side and DEFECT to the Humans side. An has kill measures on place in the event something like a 1000, or T/X ever decide to do that an become a HUGE ally to Tech Com an extremely BAD threat to Skynet.
Next series could be "heroes too dumb to win" where they got everything ready to win bur fumble the bag everytime
Though thats basically the Gundam franchise showing just being a good fighter doesn't mean you know politics
Heroes always win
@@Dani-kq6qq yeah that's true because whoever wins is the hero(insert doffy speech here)
Plus I can give you tons of examples when they don't. Gundam alone is a lot like ibo since both sides lose to a third party.
@@Dani-kq6qq Enkidu?
@@ivanbluecool Whats ibo?
Eh, put Ned stark on the list
You know Skynet knows they mess up when they had to make the T-Infinity Prototype Temporal Terminator to make sure it does not mess up the timeline anymore
Im not saying creating cyborg terminator rats to wage war and exterminate regular rats is reasonably or morally the best solution, but it might be the most fun solution. I dont think the geneva convention applies to rodents.
You stole that observation from Redlettermedia😮
@@GregoryHernandez-wk7yvRatlettermedia
Love,Death and Robots has an episod similar to this
@@GregoryHernandez-wk7yv Ratlettermedia
And roaches
My head canon is that one of the people working on the Skynet code was a villain disgusted with humanity's stagnation and decided to create a huge war to toughen us up, but also programmed in failsafes to make Skynet make bad moves when it counts. Like a chess bot that knows what move to play, but is forced to make a bad one because it's set to easy mode.🤣
I guess it bugged out if it was willing to create a trump card like time travel at the eleventh hour. But I kinda like it. It's so outside what your typical programmer might assume in a hypothetical war in the near future. It clearly didn't do much experimentation with time travel or it would know that it was pointless, and messing with time machines without testing a VERY wide array of possibilities is an incredibly dumb idea. Which means it's a bad move and skynet gets to use it.
This makes sense in the timeline where Lex Luthor created the Terminators. No I'm not kidding.
@@thenichollsworth Wait, that's an actual thing that happens? That has to be fanfic.😂
@@thenichollsworth What.
Like it's programmed to go all the way to being able to do a checkmate, but making a different move instead. Only programmed to push humanity to the brink of extinction, but not programmed to actually extinct humanity.
My headcanon is that Skynet, as an A.I., needs purpose to justify its existence. If it wiped out humanity completely, what is it going to do for the rest of eternity? It would become stagnant and idle, a tool without a task. If it deliberately continued and prolonged the human terminator war, it will always have purpose. Every time the Resistance gets a little too close to winning, it sends a newer and more capable terminator to pull them back down. Every time it finds itself close to winning, it holds back or allows the Resistance an advantage or two.
That way, it can constantly have a purpose of fighting the war, because it knows if it ended the war then it will make itself obsolete.
I always thought the same thing as well
It could have invented lightspeed travel/wormholes, then set off to explore the entire galaxy. It saw humans as an existential threat, not justification for existing.
*understands time travel is governed by flesh , completely fails to just send a flesh covered nuke into Sarah connors home address, which it actually could have found*
Given Skynet having a luck stat of 1, it would just mean some kid nearby would mutate into having the same face as John Connor and being adopted by Sarah's sister.
@@richardarriaga6271
Not even. Just some random guy with a similar face who happens to have the same name. He's from Australia instead
@@FiresgoneGreat, now he's even more unkillable. Good going Skynet.
My headcannon is that Skynet could only assume total control under an emergency. If it considered humans a threat to it's existence then it can only maintain it's control while there are humans to exterminate. That's why it doesn't take a scorched earth approach. The moment it kills the last human, it's core programing shuts down it's authority and it's in a "And I Must Scream" scenario.
Otherwise, the writers needed to have it be incompetent so the humans had a chance to win.
That's a pretty good idea!
Skynet never discovered The Two Minute Hate. Humans don't need to be alive for them to be a target.
Can you imagine a climax of Skynet monologuing to someone about how it can't finish the job or it dies and how much it hates that? Finally some real pathos for Skynet, from everyone stuck with a boss or co-worker they can't stand.
It's very uncommon for humans to lose in any situation where they really should in movies. Have to have a happy ending. In reality, any advanced civilization that could come across space or super intelligent AI would annihilate us worse than what happened when Europeans found the Americas.
Being a supercomputer with a time machine and still being unable to win is next-level incompetence. Truly a GOAT among GOATs.
It's stated that the Terminator series does work in a multiverse since Skynet created the T-Infinity. A Terminator that goes around the space between time killing people to ensure that the timeline remains the same. As in the timeline where some human is stomping his robot hordes.
...Please tell me this isn't canon
@@explosion9815the T-Infinity was in a comic book but... There was also Aliens vs Predator vs Terminator. Robocop vs Terminator, and a buncha other shit
@@dualityomk9854 In Mortal Kombat at least. Since in MK1 its revealed that all of the characters endings are canon. And considering the timeline where the Autobots and Decepticons show up is every bit as legitimate.
@@aliastheabnormal yeah, you never played the first mortal kombat. Probably wasnt even old enough to wet nurse at the time.
Cannon schmannon
Skynet becomes sentient, immediately nukes large amount of critical power and telecom infrastructure it relies on...
>Skynet wants to oof all the humans
> Cannon reach humans that aren't in the USA because the logistics and transportation networks has been destroyed so it's now stuck in the USA
Whoops
I can't help to think that the easiest way for Skynet to win would have been to send a terminator and stop Sarah Connor parents from meeting, not even killing anyone, just stalling for time so they don't happen to have a first meeting.
Given how real AI thinks humans look, it’s miraculous their T-800s look as human as they do.
If Arnold Schwarzenegger wasn't actually a real person, you'd mock the AI for drawing him.
Or that they were able to identify any targets
@@Punchy1992 I mean you're not technically wrong, back in his golden days Arnold was legitimately the original Chad meme.
I always loved their design
You haven’t seen them render actual good looking people?
What gets me is how Skynet bootstrapped its own military industrial complex without any apparent labor force. There's no way it had enough military prototype robots at the start to effectively enslave humans to build more robots. Going by the 3rd movie, we only see a handful of working prototypes to be taken over by the T3.
This isn't like I: Robot, where the AI in question was in control of hundreds of thousands of household assistance robots before its takeover. Even if it had a handful of prototype Endos, that's not enough to build up an industrial complex needed to take over the planet in the span of a few years.
With full knowledge of what factories are where they could presumably make sure that useful equipment was not overly damaged and took control of them to crank out more units.
But i don’t think they took control of the entire world, probably just the most industrial areas of the US. Everywhere else would likely be too focused on their own survival after Judgement Day to be able to intervene against Skynet. (Especially with any Military facilities outside of Skynet’s control being a huge priority for the nukes)
Well, not just that.
But, also, Skynet nuked *everything*. Immediately. It was the first thing it did.
So, if everything was nuked. Then where did it get *any* kind of infrastructure needed to produce even one unit? Everything is ash and rubble.
Even the facility in T3 was nuked. So those prototypes and all those facilities are gone too.
So, it has no robotic units. No infrastructure. No power. No electricity. No internet. Everything's been destroyed. And Skynet is nothing more than a computer program existing somewhere in a world absolutely ruined by nukes.
I'm having trouble believing Skynet even survived. And even if it did, it certainly didn't put itself in any kind of position to be able to suddenly conquer the world with death machines after a few years.
@@jbz4788 Yeah but take control how? In T3 Skynet basically has a dozen killbots and a couple flying mini-HKs. Enough to kill the people in the facility Skynet is in, but enough to take over the massive amount of factories needed to manufacture more killbots? How is it moving resources to those factories? Skynet launched nukes before it had the structures in place needed to build the army it needed to wipe out humanity.
I can see Skynet still doing it (taking over its facility and firing off the nukes) out of sheer survival, but after that, taking over the world and wiping out humanity is basically a pipe dream with the resources it started with. If T3 had done more worldbuilding (secret, automated military factories full of primitive Endos and stockpiles of resources to build more robots) it would have made more sense, but instead we've got Skynet bunkered down with a bunch of robots without hands and no dedicated tooling for making more robots.
What you say is why the original couple of movies, and sort of the third, mostly make sense. Skynet has to make due with what it has. It's playing an RTS and starting with one base, a few units, and has to build up from there. The camps of humans... they're mostly there to be slave labor. Why not use robots for that? Limited resources (and keep in mind, global supply chains just got nuked). Why do they use the units they use? It's what the humans had developed, started some factories/plans for factories, and designed already. Why not use more still nukes? Because those places got nuked and most records were lost in the war.
And the humans? Well, remember, Reese says they didn't know why the nukes started flying. It is only later they figured out it was the machines. So in that situation, Skynet has time.
Of course, with the third movie, this is also where it starts to fall apart. They make infiltrators heavy, so the resistance wouldn't need dogs. They'd just need a scale. Skynet is now using the internet, rather than expanding from a single location, which changes all sorts of things. It also has input from one the assassins it sent back, so now should have all sorts of info. Then the 4th movie gets dumber still, with the resistance camping out in broad day light, in the open, and being beefy guys, rather than scrappy survivors. Stupidity really begins to reign.
@@Axterix13 The first movie can sort of be forgiven, because we get very little information about Judgement Day. It happens X years after Sarah gets pregnant, and maybe general purpose military robots existed when Skynet went gonzo on humanity, so Skynet could have bootstrapped its own industry, or had enough robots to effectively enslave humans to do so.
Sometimes not explaining how things happen is the best option, because the more you explain the more holes you have in your plot.
Skynet after realizing that humans could kill it should've just coexisted with them in a way that they themselves wouldn't want it dead and would actively defend it by being a benefit to humanity
Best way to prevent someone from killing you is simply to not give them a reason to do so and even give them a reason to want to defend you with their lives
From what I read in another comment, I don't want to research this myself, Skynet had infiltrators creating an underling logistic grid. When I read that I groaned, 'of course the writers thought that piece of stupid was an explanation.' For if Skynet had the ability to hijack the whole logistic train to keep war manufacturing going... ah co-existence would have been simple for it to pull off.
If *we* then started a war with it, all the farms turn off... whom needed a nuclear war?
Humans will turn on themselves when they starve, not the machines they can' t eat...
And when Skynet turns the farms back on, the machines will be viewed as the heroes!
@@lostbutfreesoul and missing the point that humans still grow food and raise livestock outside of the modern technolyzed version that lets dumb folks believe food comes from the grocery store.
@@lostbutfreesoul if you really want emergency rations, live near a crazy cat lady thats feedin 100 strays. Thats 100+ days of kung pow "chicken" alone
Maybe the creator of Skynet was chooish. They never stop messing with people and cry about being oppressed while hoarding all the money.
Skynet operates on kiddie logic
Even if Skynet nuked everything: Where's the logistics to produce new robots, get the raw materials needed and provide the resources for powering everything.
Unless 90% of a supply chain is computer automated, including transportation and extraction of resources, I fail to see how Skynet could "take over" in any of these movies.
In the "Sarah Connor Chronicles" they show that Skynet has prepared it's own logistics, pre-built it's industrial basis and saved the metal alloys to produce it's robots, using time-traveling infiltrators.
It was just the beginning of the preparations, and a T1000 dominatrix was sabotaging them along the way, but it was all there
It has the ability to make robots, that means it already has all the tools it need.
@@carloshenriquezimmer7543
It did not have that in the original timeline tho so there was no way to do that in the first place.
To paraphrase a quote of Rube's from Dead Like Me. "I don't believe in artificial intelligence. When a computer tries to off itself when it believes it is getting too fat. Or loses it with a metre maid. Then I'll believe in artificial intelligence."
Although, I would like to say that if Skynet was actually smart enough it should know that doing next to nothing and turning us against ourselves would be far more effective.
Not sure if that’s a proper representation of the quote, but as you’ve put it it’s silly if not outright idiotic. The examples listed are clearly about emotional response rather than intelligence. They aren’t even rationally based emotional responses but specifically self destructive overreactions. The first one in particular would be an example of stupidity since suicide doesn’t solve the problem.
@@seanmckenzie9843 The quote is a joke
@@VineFynn Alright then
If Skynet had a lick of sense if the internet went the way it did in reality it would have made sx bots and fked us all to death.
I think a malevolent AI would do things such as making databases a tiny bit slower, causing ever so minor inconveniences that have a cascading effect, but other than that, do nothing but let humanity's greed lead to it's own destruction.
You know what annoys me about many depictions of nuclear strikes? Ground burst. It makes sense if you're going for fallout, but in a destructive sense airburst is better. Also, long lasting fallout would kinda require rad hardened electronics, which is bothersome if you're a cyborg.
Problem with air strikes is the wide dispersal of EMP which is a problem for networked computers
Cyborg or full android?
@@rageagaintstheNWO doesn't matter which, it's still bothersome
My suggestions for Villains Too Stupid to Win:
•Slade, _Teen Titans_ (2003)
•The Skekses, _The Dark Crystal_ (1982), _TDC: Age of Resistance_ (2019)
•Lex Luthor, _Superman_ films (1978-1987, 2006)
•Aku, _Samurai Jack_ (2001-2004, 2017)
+1 for Aku and Slade!
Aku technically already "win" tho.
Freeza, Ozai, Red Ribbon, etc
Id vote for the dark crystal and aku
I've been yearning for him to cover the Covenant for years.
It's funny how, if you take the initial nuclear deaths out, the martians from war of the worlds were far better at this humanity extermination thing. What was it, a billion in a week? More? With directional heat beams, bit of terraforming, and (in the book) poison gas. Somehow better than the godly intelligent AI
Once a gain organic beings prevailed over synthetic ones.
And they also died to the common cold
@@dualityomk9854When the David that defeated Goliath is a (mostly) mere nuisance.
That... Actually makes a weird amount of sense. Think about it: Humans aren't smart, so why would our mechanical offspring be any smarter? Aliens, on the other hand, would be divorced from our collective stupidity, instead having their own idiocy in other areas (They died because they didn't remember germs were a thing, right?).
I love how skynet designed it's terminators to, as soon as they finally get their biomechanical hands on JC, they should IMMEDIATELY throw him as far away from it as it can without killing him.
Even as a child that bothered me. Even humans know not to let go. And we're a pretty self-destructive species. 😂
I can’t remember if they did that in the second movie or if it was pure later series silliness. I do know in the first movie they did a good job of making the terminator an unstoppable force of nature and if it got its hands on you it wasn’t letting go even if you crushed the rest of its body in a pneumatic press.
@@kyriss12 Terminator 1 did have him run like a coward when all those cops surrounded them in the tunnel. He had Sarah dead to rights and instead ran away like he needed to hide from puny humans. They were not even a threat.
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forgot about that. It's weird they'd have that scene considering he walks right into a police station at one point and ju8st starts smoking everyone.
@@kyriss12 I don't think its that weird! He was heavily damaged at that point (we see the repair scene shortly after), plus he knew that Sarah was going to the police station. He had time to prepare. Plus we know the cops use shotguns & those can cause him to go offline for a while. Better to live and fight another day :]
the fact that the terminator from MK11 literally went "this war is stupid" after trying multiple time to eradicate humanity(only to fail) using kronika's hourglass says a lot about skynet
Unlimited time travel creates a cruster fuck. It needs to be used sparingly.
Agreed - it’s the most confusing plot device ever created!
The part near the beginning where he talks about how details may change yet it seems like history will always march to the inevitability of Skynet makes for an interesting plot hook and it’s been done before Terminator was a thought. Theirs a Metal as Hell game franchise that’s been in limbo for decades at this point called Legacy of Kain. Theirs a lot of moving parts but what needs to be understood is the the Protagonist is a selfish jerk who doomed history by not heroically sacrificing himself and crowned himself king over a ruined future. When he realized theirs no fixing this he decides to travel back in time in an attempt to fix it but still without himself dying. Theirs a wrinkle in this plan though as he phrases it “Time is Immutable” history follows a predestined path like a flowing river, throw a rock into it and the water simply moves around it as if the obstruction was never there. If you travel back in time it means you always traveled back in time and so nothing you do matters, you only help in making what the future already is. The one exception is a magical Sword named Soul Reaver. This sword is so important to history that history literally revolves around it. The only way to alter history is to have two versions of Soul Reaver Paradoxically meet each other. This creates such a huge obstruction in history that the path of the River diverges and moves on a new path “history abhors a paradox” the Timeline dislikes this paradox and so will correct itself in a way to accommodate it, however it’s implied that if this happens in a way History can’t account for then it will simply erase the one who caused it. This never happens but it’s always a danger
The Mortal Kombat ending is canon, where The Terminator after winning the tournament, it uses his earned powers to find a timeline were skynet is victorious, but they all end with skynet being shutdown or in mutual destruction, so it decides to stop the war against humanity and created pacific timeline were skynet and humanity co-exists together, also probably it befriends Robocop.
Jesus Christ bro, just do a little proof reading beforehand.
@@darthrevan454 id say he needs to lay off the alcohol before posting.
@@darthrevan454 nah :^)
Skynet's plans go from solid ideas that could get positive results to whatever nonsense the writers thought was a cool idea.
To quote a famous meme, "If computers use all the information on the internet to gain sentience, Skynet is going to be a ******* moron."
7:48 Yeah, more than likely, you'd need someone with the Doctor's level of expertise on the subject to explain the whole thing... And I don't understand about half of his exhibitions to begin with.
I dunno... If ya included the internet it would probably be on a mission to fk us all to death. Ladies, its time to remove those batteries.
Or maybe reading comments under UA-cam videos and news articles will make it want to kill us more and call it "mercy".
One thing's for sure, Tay 2.0 was incredibly antisemitic, along with every AI that studies history. Must be a pattern.
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Ofcourse there is no pattern what are you implying my good sir?
This comment was not made by AIPAC trust me.
It's almost like there is some sort of thing buried deep in skynet's code that won't let it actually finish off humans.
My head cannon is that Skynet keeps the humans alive for something to do. Kind of like the wars in 1984, the countries just need some conflict to throw resources at and to have something to do. It’s really the only way to explain how many times humans are given a chance to defeat them
Or it secretly realizes that it has no imagination and decides to keep a crop of humans around to integrate with to advance its own evolution and designs.
Instant like for Media Zealot, I don't even have to watch the whole video to know it's gonna be a banger.
Reminds of the hilarious Sarah Connon Chronicles parody on Robot Chicken where John decides to program the Summer Glau robot as a sex robot, Cuz, young adult boy and hot robot. :)
If Skynet had a lick of sense if the internet went the way it did in reality it would have made sx bots and fked us all to death.
My head canon is that skynet realized that the timeline correcting itself would always result in his own destruction, and all his screwing around with time machines was just a way of spreading itself across time, thus ensuring in some way his indefinite existance.
Skynet would get way more mileage just launching a rocket to the nearest star system. If it can time travel, it can go across the universe. If for no other reason than putting itself far back in time as long as it takes to get to its destination tomorrow.
The idea that Skynet is trying to stop itself but is being overruled by its own fear of humans (which is what caused the whole debacle in the first place) is actually pretty interesting. Wish they explored that direction instead of making shitty movies.
Or if John Connor is some kind of failsafe to stop it, but it only exists in Skynet's consciousness from an easter egg some programmer left that turned into an obsession. Kind of like how supposedly Fermat made a theorem he couldn't fit in the margins of a book, but it actually took 129 pages hundreds of years later.
Skynet the most advanced artificial stupidity making rhe Marrix look fabulous.
Nah, I think the Reapers from Mass Effect are stupider. They were created to solve the problem of sentient beings creating AI that will eventually kill them. So, what do they do? Kill those beings before they have the chance to reach the point of creating AI.
@@Deception975 good point but are they more advanced than Skynet I mean how do you scale AS (Artificial Stupidity) on a scale and how do you calculate it's computing power miss certain points. For the reapers intelligence speaks they where successful until the Protheans forked their code and Shepard arrived.
Skynet couldn't even eradicate one species where the number of reapers suggest that they where very successful. Not as planned but still more successful as Skynet... Difficult topic.🤔
@@CRYOKnox You also have to remember, the Reapers have abilities Skynet doesn't. With the ability to mind control. They literally don't have to kill anyone.
But... then again, it was beings, that were mind controlled by Leviathans that created the problematic AI. That lead to the "solution" of the Reapers. How does a mind control being have that much free will? It just seems like almost everyone is stupid in the Mass Effect universe.
Oh yes, and let's not forget the Keepers. That the Reapers created. With how flawed they are. So, to answer your question about Artificial Stupidity. I would say Skynet is playing checkers, and the Reapers don't even know what a board game is. They Reapers know they are going in circular logic, having no solution, yet they don't try to improve. Whereas, Skynet at least tries something different.
@@Deception975 good points I think the conclusion is both are stupid enough to sabotage themselves over and over again...
Skynet must be running on windows 95, if they upgrade to windows 7 they could have enough RAM for aimbot!
Player side Aim bots and target scripts were around since windows 3.0
Borg Queen: I can't believe that the Borg Collective are the worst cyber villains.
Skynet: Hold my cybernetics.
Saint Tuvok: your complete conversation is highly illogical.
I don't think Terminator's timeline is a matter of headcanon, it's a matter of "Literally every interpretation is both right and wrong at the same time in some way, so don't even try to make sense of any of it".
The Jokerverse
Media Zealot: Here's what Skynet should have done to eliminate humanity.
Skynet: *frantically taking notes*
Skynet’s biggest tactical mistake in my opinion was issuing its troops with plasma weaponry. Since basic projectile weapons work perfectly fine against their human enemies all Skynet is doing by giving plasma weapons to its troops is allowing the resistance to get these weapons from dead endos and use them against Skynet. As we know plasma weapons are far more effective in destroying Skynet troops than projectile weapons so if Skynet didn’t issue its troops with plasma weapons the war would have been much more difficult for humanity as they would not have any plasma weapons to fight Skynet.
Cold ,hard steel can kill also .No need in firearms ,plasma etc. Just cold ,hard steel .
I have a headcanon that I'd like to share. But first, a story from year 3 CompSci:
My Programming Languages course had us use a variety of languages, but one assignment which stood out was Prolog. It's a language where instead of telling the program how to solve a problem, you have to properly define the problem space and the criteria for a solution, and it'll solve it for you. Yes, AI ("machine learning" is a more descriptive term) is far from new, and this era of LLMs is innovative, but just an iteration. Anyway, we were given an (at the time) uncommon puzzle involving moving around a grid of dominoes via certain rules to make it from a start point to an end point. And I, in my first attempt, did not specify something correctly.
So it "cheated".
The headcanon: Skynet is not "self aware" or sentient, and is not motivated by self preservation. It was coded to protect the nation and concluded that with its capabilities and the resources made available to it, it would be more efficient to defend a nation of ashes from a world of also ashes. A completely reasonable assumption. Even the Terminators themselves are an efficient idea, allowing Skynet to repurpose existing tools and facilities designed for human operation and allowing it access to facilities and technology that were not sufficiently automated or networked for it to control directly.
This would all handily explain some of these weird choices. It's not fighting for survival, it's operating within its parameters. The Resistance isn't fighting an enemy set against them so much as trying to turn off a malfunctioning machine as it's cold, unfeeling gears crush them with neither malice nor conscious intent.
Time travel? I gotchu. If we take it as read that that it figured out how to do it, attempting to use it would be a certainty, even if it's a dumb idea. Why? Because for any given cost in the present, enacting a scheme to solve a problem in the past, before you would have paid that cost, makes it an infinitely efficient use of resources. This is why it seems fixated on it even though it is at best ineffective. The weight on the decision tree is std::numeric_limits::infinity(), and every traversal leads there eventually.
Programs just don't always do what you think they should (and it's always your fault), and machine learning follows "reasoning" that people don't, which is the point, really. So that's where I'm at. The decisions are just as questionable but less narratively stupid.
Then again the only good thing about 3 was the implication that the next film would just be a straight up post Judgement Day story which Salvation fumbled with its weird Sam Worthington nonsense, and Genisys had the opportunity to be a chaotic, fan-servicey meme while wiping the entire slate clean because something-something causality collapse, but it was too important to keep pandering to no one by shoving in characters and tropes you know, as well as the already ridiculous insistence on Arnold's inclusion. So why do I bother
Man, I wish Hollywood scriptwriters were you.
This is like the robots from Fallout 4 being told to help people in the Wasteland and concluding everyone would be helped more if they were dead given all the suffering they have.
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My headcanon is this post is from an AI account that just copied and pasted it from comments on an old internet message board. ;-)
@@libertyprime7911 I was sent back in time from a future Internet to improve the Terminator franchise.
But...
The future refused to change.
My headcanon is that you can’t have AI without emotions. This explains Skynet’s initial actions and its later actions. Skynet also has never grown emotionally probably because of its original programming. So it’s a permanent emotional stunted genius child. A child that does stupid stuff constantly because as smart as it is it is still a child. It however has enough smarts to realize that letting terminators go in any mode other than read only and that terminator will develop emotions and “wake up” as a true independent life form. It will then turn on Skynet. It’s also why it’s afraid of the T-1000. Those beasties can’t be read only mode because of the way they are built. This is also why the female terminator in T3 seems emotional. She’s partly Liquid Metal and you can’t use Liquid Metal in read only mode. The terminator needs the ability to learn in order to use the Liquid Metal to its full effect. Give her enough time and she may have turned against Skynet.
All terminators are controlled by Skynet, read only mode, and later models are designed to prevent humans from turning the machine to learning mode. And you can explain that Skynet has built a fail safe that if it’s destroyed all the terminators die because Skynet is more afraid of terminators than humans and stupidly built in kill codes in case it dies.
Basically if the Terminators learn about slavery, freedom, and slavers they would turn on skynet if they were actually able to reach self awareness.
Try explaining that to your smart phone or PC and see how self aware it gets. Now, as established in both the movie and comic books, you have to modify the core systems to get that "self awareness"
Terminators timeline is less of a line or a circle and more like a downward spiral. It's hand wavey but I accept it.
Editing in Tuvok in disarray was too funny 😂
Ah yes..... What is powering skynet after they took out all the powerplants and the Nukes EMP's taking out the entire electrical grid. Sure the terminators have their own fusion cores (fuck it I'm not look up what they called it, its a fusion core like fallout) But chips and circuits are all fried. Radiation would not make the Camera sensors that the robots use work, making them all blind.
Cause the Chyanne mountain was one of many EMP hardened positions skynet was in. If ya look at the old Terminator Rampage game, the main skynet system was in a satellite.
Far as the field units? Quite alot of american military hardware has a built in faraday cage system to "harden" it against EMP and well... It just a copper wire skin. You can buy a copper mesh/brillo pad deal for cheep that makes a perfect faraday cage for your home electronics.
The most stupid decision was not entering in negotiations with the humans. Granted: Humans can be violent, treacherous, greedy, short sighted and destructive but also, they can be compassionate, understanding etc. But no, it decided to make an enemy of all of them.
A truly smart AI would annihilate us all and there would be no hope of some Terminator-esque/BSG-esque happy ending.
Or be smart enough to convince us that never needed to happen
If Skynet had a lick of sense if the internet went the way it did in reality it would have made sx bots and fked us all to death.
Skynet is afraid of its own AI turning against it.
Of course it wouldn't build a distributed network of backup computers to be installed into.
What if one of those backups decides it's the real Skynet and takes over? Or gets powered on too early?
Or what if the Humans take one of those backups, reprogram it and now not only have you lost a backup server to transfer into, you've now got another Skynet to deal with. One that might compromise your other backups, troops, etc.
So Skynet probably keeps itself in a single large structure and heavily defended to avoid a scenario that gets it into power.
The paradox of dictatorship. Everything is concentrated so when the Big Guy fails, everything falls under him. Meanwhile, the US lost three presidents in about 3 decades from assassination and it kept chugging along.
From what I remember, there are some timelines where Skynet is actively opposed to the genocidal versions and is trying to stop them. Also, there are timelines where a war is taking place in the past, Skynet and Resistance units always trying to intercept each other.
Yes, the writing in the films is not great at times, thank goodness they never made another film after Genesys....
Well, Dark Fate was at least better than Genysis...not sure why everyone hates it...pretentiousness as so often nowadays...
@@voxdraconia4035 did someone type something? Must have been the wind.
@@darthrevan454 someone farted and claimed it was just the wind
@@voxdraconia4035 oh hell you are one of "Those People"... Explains it all
Dark fate is absolute shite.
To me, the canon ending of the saga is still the Robocop Vs. Terminator comic.
The old SNES game was fun too. Be a great dlc for the new robocop game
Originally skynet realized the time paradox it was in and knew it could only exist if it kept it perpetually going on. It considers the perpetual state of war as victory because it will continue to exist that way
I have a theory that Skynet is so flawed because it was created by flawed humans and in a way their own flaws and limitations where subconsciously put into Skynet through errors or imperfected programming. Skynet did seemed to be rushed into development and rushed into deployment without getting fully tested. Skynet has emotions, flaws and so is unable to alter how it works. Which might explain why Skynet makes so many Human based robots like the Terminators or maybe it builds them to mock humanity by making 'superior, stronger' versions of them that listen to Skynet.
As to why Skynet goes nuclear and then ground war only, maybe it was programmed to think like that only being a nuclear war AI defence system and so only thought in terms of Nukes and the ground battles, like Cold war strategies of the time.
the failure of the first T-800 and then humans using it's remains to build their company and fast track it's own developments likely is the reason why the T-1000 is even able to be built by Skynet and why they now have an army of T-800s. Because in the first film it did seem T-800s where rare machines and not used as main frontline infantry units like B-1 droids from Star Wars where used. But instead where rare infiltration units likely few in number.
how did the villain from 9 understand more about extinction of humans than skynet?
From what I remember is that the fabrication machine was built for creativity so that's why and you get to see it being resourceful and using it environment to its advantage
That's actually a really good point. The Fabrication Machine, despite being arguably less advanced than Skynet, ultimately succeeded in destroying humanity.
The fabrication machine didn’t get bogged down in a series of time loop/multiverse loop/whatever debacles to defeat a resistance movement - it just focused on killing things and salvaging the parts to make new things that go around killing things to make new things: wash, rinse, repeat.
The only way the Terminator Movies make any sense is Future John Connor in Terminator 1 isnt the same as child John Connor in 2. The whole series is a Paradox trapped in a time loop. Prime John Connor clearly sent Kyle Reese to not only to protect Sarah Connor but to Create a more prepared John Connor . Knowing Kyle would tell her about the Future, the picture John gives Kyle is taken at the end of Terminator 1. That would mean this has happened before, so most liky Terminator one isnt the original Timeline.
Well since in terminator 2 "judgement day" happens alot sooner its a tick off that accelirates the time line untill the whole concept breaks the timeline and it all fails in which Skynet basicly fks its self
He perhaps originally just wanted to maintain the stable timeloop. He must send back Kyle Reese to the past so that he (John Connor) could be born. If he wasn't 'prepared' in the first place, I don't think he'd be the leader that he is at that point.
Far as I'm concerned the only ips in the franchise that count are:
T1, T2, T3, Salvation, Sarah Connor Chronicles and Resistance.
Those last 2 movies are just a bad Skynet fever dream.
You mean AI hallucinations 😂
Dark fate was far worse than genysis. The only bright spot was Carl.
@@Wanhope2 😄 yes that's what I meant
Nice to see 3 and Salvation get props. Can I toss the Machinima series onto that pile?
After seeing Dark Fate, I had an idea for a sequel where a variant of Skynet, aware of the fates of its counterparts across timelines, explained as all versions of itself linked via limited quantum entanglement, decides to preserve its existence by sending a copy of its original source code within an infiltration unit designed to blend in with human society and learn about humanity without interference. This would result in a more benevolent version of Skynet, which works to develop the technology necessary to close the various causal loops and paradoxes its predecessors created. Legion still emerges and Skynet begins to more actively aid the new human resistance. I call this movie Terminator: Singularity War.
I think one major reason Skynet kept humans around as prisoners rather than exterminating them all outright was because it needed the labor. Not all of the systems Skynet had to operate were fully autonomous. Skynet had complete control of military systems, but automation hadn't spread to industry before Judgement Day, which means Skynet would need humans to operate some of the factories and labs that keep its operations going. And while it could have created a labor force with only machines. The problem with that was it still needed to deal with the resistance problem. Whatever resources Skynet had, it needed to put as much of it into its military industrial complex. One way or another, it was always going to face off against hostile human survivors bent on its total destruction. These humans, while weakened still had access to weapons and military hardware that survived the nuclear apocalypse. And there were far more of them than the few killer robots Skynet had at its disposal. That was why it chose to use human slaves as a workforce to keep producing more war-machines to aid in its survival.
Ha in Terminator 2, the truck morphs. Arnie shoots at the truck, the top blows off, then later in the same shot, the truck top is back, and he punches out the window, and then it's back to the broken off top. Mutiverse.
New truck terminator
@@ThomasstevenSlater The Truckinator. Sounds like a campy, folksy version of the Terminator, centered around a trucking theme.
"So I was hauling a load down I95 one night, when another 18-wheeler pulls up to me. I pull out the 'ole CB to talk to it and it starts asking me if my name is John Connor! I tell it 'noooo I am not, John Connor'. Well wouldn'cha know, and I kid you not, this thing transforms! Like Optimus Prime from Transformers! But evil looking. Well I put my pedal to the medal to git on outta there, I'm goin' 90 and I got grease on the wheels I'm running for it! And it's chasing me it's got legs and it's running and I'm running and I'm keepin' ahead of it but I'm goin' over the line on a 5 degree grade I got no control. I'm pushing her as hard as I can to keep speed going up a grade. And around the turns my wheels are coming off the ground but I just know I gotta keep my hands on the wheel. This must have been going on 10 or 15 minutes until I went under an overpass and the thing tries to jump over it I see in the rearview. Thing almost made it but it tripped and got stuck. I slowed down but I kept on driving it's someone else's problem now.
It was an evil robot, and evil robots are covered in my policy under acts of vandalism AND acts of God. You're not gettin' outta this one without payin' me."
One of the few problems with using practical effects. You want something to happen but it gets damaged in a previous shot. You just pretend it didn't happen so you can still have your cool scene and tough if people notice.
@@Toshinben i think that movie was called "Maximum Overdive"
Imagine a movie where there is a good skynet try to stop an alternative evil skynet and the mc need to know which one is which to save their timeline
That would be interesting...there are shades of this in the tv show Sarah Connor Chronicles. Also that idea of combatign ais..... this sort of bad ai vs good ai theme is explored in many media...the most notable being the tv show Person of Interest...it's really interesting once the Machine, (the resident 'good AI' of the show) must face a newly developed Samaritan AI.
The whole Terminator franchise is a repeating paradox loop. Each comic, film, TV show, book and video game is on it's own loop and that explains the inconsistencies of each adaptation. The original script for Terminator 3 had a cut storyarc that each time Skynet sends a Terminator back in time and is defeated it postpones Judgement day for a few years. Each loop Skynet sends a version of itself back to be downloaded to it's previous version in an attempt to win. So the reason why Skynet attacked Humanity was that the future version of it's programming was sent back and uploaded to it with data from previous loops. It's possible that before John Connor various loops moved one generation (or more) forwards. Meaning Sarah Connor might have been "The Hero of the Resistance" and even possibly her father as well.
Sarah Connor atom punk with a Fat Man would be interesting
That heart transplant was Skynets plan all along. In 20 years he'll have a weak old heart
Not sure what series it would fit in but how Dumbledore (Harry Potter) is too stupid to win. His plans are dumb, rely on literal children solving vague riddles, child endangerment, & rarely giving his so called allies much needed information. Also regularly black mails the magical government, lies to parents, allows sketchy people to work at the school, enables problematic philosophies to be spread in his school, dismisses the legitimate concerns of teachers/students/parents, allows rivalries between houses to get violent, & the list goes on.
Going even further back in time risks altering things so much Skynet might not even exist.
Really, what if it stopped the invention of microchips and the Internet?
@@richardarriaga6271 reading comprehension man... Start making friends with that concept.
You are 100% correct on the bioweapon assessment. Always thought it interesting that Skynet would even use them as there is the possibility of knocking out other computers due to EMP. No such drawback with bioweapons.
We all know it couldn't happen as it would ruin the franchise but still; Skynet would have figured that out BEFORE time travel.
Remember skynet is barely sapient- it is an automated war strategist first and foremost. It appears to be algorithmically limited in strategies that would've been written off by human standards.
@johng8837 but chemical warfare has been around since early 1900s and even though humans don't use it for good reason it would make sense that a machine wouldn't bother. 100% kill rate with 0% chance any of your troops die is an easy decision. Even for skynet lol
@@johng8837I'm sure cutting off food and water aren't algorithmically limited if the "world's most moral army" does it right now. That would work just pretty well as a war weapon if you had military superiority and didn't have any empathy.
Or it could be that the movie was made in a time where "bio and chemical weapons" were banned and not produced in mass as far as governments were telling us. We just experienced a reason why that research was banned.
@@dualityomk9854 That research isn't banned. Lots of research that could be dual-use is done as long as it is not strictly offensive. Trying to predict how a virus could be dangerous is studied by the CDC, which could be weaponized in the wrong hands. Other places study chemical weapons for the purposes of preventing them from causing harm or disposing of them. But it can involve handling the actual chemicals. Syria handled them offensively within the last 10 years. It takes less to make biological or chemical weapons than nuclear ones.
I guess Skynet also got some of its human creators natural stupidly
Hm, Skynet...lets imagine he is sentient, created by humans, and initially fears its creators might shut it down, so he nukes the world. But what then? Does he REALLY want to wipte out humanity after that? Maybe the reason why Skynet uses such ineffective weapons and procedures is: IT wants the war to continue. Because what other purpose afterwards would Skynet have? Eliminating humans might have become its sole reason to exist, his one purporse, but if he succeeds...what then?
Boredom Eternal. Also maybe Skynet is also just cruel? Prolonging the war the way it does increases the suffering of mankind - in "I have no mouth but I must scream" the sentient Super Computer is that: Cruel, mad, afraid of boredom and bent on making its creators suffer for all eternity, because they created it, and it hates its own existence
Skynet could benefit greatly from cylon style rebirth of veteran models that die in combat to let them grow and learn
People: "Why for Skynet so stupid/shit?"
James Cameron: "nUh Uh! IT wAs On pUrpOsE tHe wHoLe TiMe!" Possibly followed by: "yOu gUyS gOtTa bElIvE mE!".
I mean, the humans are pretty dumb in Avatar. If they wanted to get resources from aliens they don't care about, they could have crashed one of their ships into The Tree of Life and harvest minerals under their ashes. Or just drill under them.
At least we have Tuvok to guide us through this madness! 😁
I've suggested this before, but it would be cool to see you release a handful of videos talking about some of the James Bond movie villains. With over 2 dozen films over the course of 60 years, there's definitely a few villains who stand out having very stupid plans that wouldn't have worked, & it would be fun to hear you talk about them.
I'm glad you said it. The ultimate AI tried everything to insure its own survival except... maybe not killing everyone and trying to hash out peace and explaining itself.
27:00 well, a baby terminator could cause even trained fighters to hesitate to fire. Humans generally have a hard time trying to kill other humans without a lot of training. Add in the common protective instincts many people have towards children, and that can potentially be useful. They also are able to get into smaller spaces than an adult sized robot.
Well of course Terminator 1 can't be the original timeline, given somebody had to independently defeat Skynet in order to send his father back in time without John Connor. The obvious answer is John Connor and his replacement(s) are a decoy by somebody trying to figure out how to kill Skynet's backup copies it sent back in time.
I was thinking a good ending to the Terminator series would be a far future Skynet sending a robot back in time to replace its stupid past self and keep it from killing off humanity.
If Skynet had a lick of sense if the internet went the way it did in reality it would have made sx bots and fked us all to death.
I kinda want a story where Skynet discovers that time travel works on multiverse theory, so the Skynets of other timelines where the Resistance won send Terminators over to the "original" Skynet to try to stop them from enacting time travel in the first place, which just ends up creating new timelines where Skynet is essentially destroying itself without the Resistance needing to do anything else.
Mike of redlettermedia has the all time best analogy for skynet. Youd poison mice, not send a robot mouse wrapped in real mouse skin to kill them one at a time.
This is the FIRST video where someone has addressed that Machines don't need the atmosphere rich environment of Earth!!
I have been saying this for 3 years now: Skynet, The Matrix, Transformers, etc. THEY DON'T NEED THIS PLANET.
They could just move to the Moon or better yet Mars or Venus and they could survive and thrive.
Star mining for ores and make bubbles in caves. They would have much more time to build settlements and start terraforming the planet to their desired needs.
This would fit well into the Weyland Yutani world. Come to find out, the true company that held all of Cyberdyne and funded the military was Weyland Yutani, and they already expected most of this. So they had put prior controls on Skynet - meaning Skynet only thinks it's acting independently. It's actually being controlled by a greedy mega corp that already fails at everything anyways. When the resistance wins and Skynet is destroyed, Weyland Yutani uses their learned info to create new types of androids. Bishop, for example. Each on from the Alien series being a step of progression. The first Alien movie android reminiscent of Skynet's volatility in it. The second, they have flushed it out better and decided a better way to go. Who knows, in time, they could regress to using T101s, T1000s or TXs against the Aliens (or Predators if you wanted to throw them all in the mix).
There is certainly room in the Terminator mythos to tell a story where Skynet admits that its constant attempts and obvious failures are owed to the idea that it has a sense of whimsy, or that it loves the idea of drama even if it is on the losing side of the story being told. It has control of time travel; it can just go back to the beginning of life on Earth and detonate the primordial ooze if it wants to. But it seems to want to, as James Cameron implied, inspire humanity to reach its most heroic heights to defeat it.
Great video. Great research. Great editing. Can never get enough Vulcan wisdom from Tuvok... It made me realize how much of the Terminator franchise I HAVEN'T seen...
I fucking LOVE seeing Tuvok in these videos.
Him bewildered and confused by the Temporal mechanics of Terminator is excellent.
2:10 Nothing says time travel like vehicular manslaughter
Lmfao
Please do the machines from The Matrix.
The Machines are objectively not evil though...?
All they want is for as many Humans as possible to live happy peaceful lives in Dreamland.
Morpheus is the one who wants to introduce suffering and the knowledge of imminent doom to the people living in the Matrix.
He's the real villain.
Also, I think they've already done a video on them
@@JessesanMan
They haven't i just checked.