Kratos Teaches Atreus How to Grieve Brok - God of War Ragnarok Best Father Son Scene
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Kratos pushed aside everything, including impending war, for a moment to allow his son to work through the loss and recover from it. Best Dad
Kratos knows that holding onto grief would leave an open festering wound for someone to exploit. I suspect if Kratos hadn’t helped Atreus through his grief, Odin would have succeeded in convincing him to use the mask at the end.
@@TheGary108 that's smart
@@TheGary108 so what about Sindri, then? Kratos helped his son let go of grief or not giving in to grief, but it seems Sindri’s too far into grief that the open, festering wound you mentioned before gets bigger.
@@AlastorAltruistGaming Doesn't help that Sindri can vorp into nowhere to be alone. Would take someone like Lunda to bring him back and they didn't look like they were close enough for that to work.
@@AlastorAltruistGaming the open, festering wound in Sindri lead him to smashing Odin’s soul without hesitation. Not to say Odin didn’t deserve it, but even after denying Odin Valhalla or an afterlife the aforementioned wound didn’t close and I think Sindri knew that.
Oh my god I just realized Kratos took Atreus away for a moment to process his grief to avoid exactly what Sindri ended up doing.
... ended up doing [to himself].
Even more heartbreaking because Sindri technically put this upon himself. He did not do enough for the first time nor putting the right effort to bring all of Brok's soul pieces before resurrecting him and instead of listening to the legions of souls who crawled on his skin, he didn't listen and now he refuses to accept - even if Atreus deserves a lot of the blame.
@@defaulted9485 This isn't remotely true, what is this stupid take
@@MrThefoxyone got a better one?
@@MrThefoxyone 'Those who cannot, critique.'
Atreus quoting his father from the first game. "What are we hunting?" "Deer."
"Which way are we headed lad?" "In the direction of deer."
I loved it. And the parallels are the same, both processing a great loss.
Which is fitting, because I believe Atreus is in the exact frame of mind Kratos was at the start of the first game.
Grieving.
He quoted Kratos a few times. All of which had meaningful impacts on his growth and how he can teach back things to Kratos.
Crazy how he was trying to be cold to ignore the pain... but a wound untreated forms a scar... or in this case a reminder as said... this is old wisdom... and my god of war they encapsulated it... literally a legendary game and story I've seen in a long time.
In the direction of burgers
Kratos saying “mourn how you wish” was him saying genuinely “do what you have to” and “be mindful of yourself and what you become” it was his tone. It even made Sindri pause for a second cause he knew he was being told multiple things
Also it was a "don't talk to my kid like that"
That's always been the writing in this game and in 2018
@@milacruz3970Nah, Sindri had every point against them except blaming them for Broks death. I even thought it myself that Sindir and Brok were going above and beyond and giving everything to Kratos and Atreus, and Sindri gets mauled in return, and they needed a good long talk before something bad happened, and lo and behold it did.
I always believed it was a little dig at Sindri saying that line lol
@@TheBeastInBlack sure but they also kinda gloss over how ya know…. Odin needed to be taken down regardless and everyone was expecting Kratos and Atreus to do most of the heavy lifting…. The brothers personal feelings toward being responsible with what has happened because they made many of the famous weapons the Asir use… So giving them every tool available to fight this war they all wanted to fight and needed to… was the very least any of them could’ve done.
“I gave you everything” what were your other options Sindri? Hide and continue to live under Odins boot? Let the dwarves continue to suffer? Let everyone else continue to suffer? What would he and Brok had done anyways? You and everyone else wanted THEM to stick their necks out and do the foot work because they were the only ones who could.
So what would they have done? Not a god damn thing different and it isn’t anyone else’s fault that he lost his brother permanently but his own.
They don’t get to cry about how sorry they are about what they’ve done and seek atonement through helping them fight Odin, expect every fight to be finished by Kratos, encourage a war with gods, and act as the main source of weapons for this army and then start pointing fingers because he’s mad at himself trynna make it seem like people just took advantage of them…. No sindri, you and your brother chose your path.
As if he would’ve actually just ducked off into the ether…. Sindri seriously needs to reel it in with the finger pointing
Everything about this was so painful and devastating. Brok’s death, Sindri’s reaction, the others grief and heartbreak. Especially Kratos and Atreus’s. I think both Kratos and Mimir helped Atreus wonderfully. Rest Well Brok, you were a real one till the end.
Thing is - and this is the real gut-punch - Brok...cannot rest well. His soul is incomplete....he will not have an afterlife. They really pulled out a rug from under us with this fucking game. God of War my ass, half the game was God of Feels. We.....NEED more games like this out there, and Santa Monica Studios threw the industry a golden template with this duology.
@@IlliantheGrandMage We need a damn sidequest to find Brok's soul fragments. Don't care how hard it's gonna be but you know that Atreus will go through hell to complete it.
@@IlliantheGrandMage God Of Feels is right, as soon the game started they were hitting you with emotional haymakers. Definitely need more games with this level of emotion content.
@@IlliantheGrandMage Hell Yes, I want this so bad. No scratch that, the fandom needs this so bad.
What's more effed up is that there is a bug in this part where you can still talk to Brok you can even see his mouth move while conversing with you.
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When grieving, Atreus becomes laconic, focused, and speaks only in short, clipped sentences, much like Kratos. He must have heard it a lot (comparatively) after Faye died. I wonder if Atreus associated that manner of speaking with grieving.
I think it's the reverse.
In GoW 2018 Atreus do see how Kratos act, but he don't understand why his father act like that. In one of the boat tales, after Kratos seeing the image of the past, Atreus claims that Kratos do not grieve, and Kratos shots back and replied with "mourn how you wish, let me mourn my way".
And now, after feeling grieve, Atreus act just like his father. Then, after Kratos talk him when they're hunting, Atreus finally understands how his father mourn, and sees part of his father inside him. When they grieve, they do the same thing.
You see it later in the story too. Close your heart to it. Gets resolved then too.
Classic case of inherited mannerisms but fortunately he finds his own way to grieve.
in my anecdotal experience, the mind can only process so much in that moment, and the speech filters out the extraneous. its succinct and strong and emotional. cuts to bone. i think the writers of this scene channeled some personal experience of their own, perhaps, as its very well written and true to form.
I would argue that it's not just grief, even when he lost his mother he was still able to be energetic. But this isn't just loss, Atreus feels responsible, betrayed, and the betrayer all at once. That would be overwhelming for anyone let alone someone coming into their own.
"Our actions have consenquences. To be reminded of them is not punishment."
You know Kratos meant this from the bottom of his heart given his ashy skin and the fact that he was no longer hiding the Blades of Chaos at the beginning of the game. (they were just hanging up in the middle of the house)
Y'know, the very same blades that killed said wife/daughter.
he also no longer hides the scars of the chains that where used to bound him that would go on to wield those same blades.
Like he said to Mimir: you must live with your deeds, but do not be troubled by them, brother.
and Kratos' Ashy skin IS his first wife and daughter
The hardest part of Failure isn't the failing, but that someone else suffers for it.
The entirety of the first game was basically him struggling with the constant nightmares that forced him to relive the moment that he killed his wife and child.
And his journey that would lead him to becoming the new god of war after killing Ares, of course.
My grandfather used to say, "betrayal before murder is the worst kind of death. First it robs your soul of its innocence and then it robs your compassion afterwards." He was a survivor of the attack on Pearl Harbor. People back then were so infuriated that they started losing their humanity in some places. He served in the Army until his term and then gave up his wings, went to live the rest of his life for his wife and kids. Even when Japan surrendered along with Germany he didn't celebrate said, "why celebrate over a mountain of bodies? I think even God himself has abandoned us."
It took years to get over this. PTSD doesn't just hurt, it eats a part of your soul. It makes you apathetic and a little numb.😥
I’m truly sorry to hear that. My Papaw Gary served in Vietnam, and I thank him for his service, but even then, why celebrate that?
Wise words from a man who experienced one of the worst times in history.
My Godfather was in the Vietnam war, and he despises when anyone tries to get him to talk about it or praise him for his time in the military. I think he believes misfortune follows him for participating in war in the first place.
Even afterwards he injured his back during serving, and had bad enough PTSD to be separated from his wife and kids for 10 years. Additionally, he couldn't work due to his injury either.
From what I was told he took responsibility and being drafted very seriously, he's that kind of guy. ☹️
@@Gumbier_Than I’m very sorry to hear that. I really am. War, no matter what, is painful.
Indeed war is nothing to celebrate. So many people lost. People on all sides. Not just physically but also mentally. Directly and indirectly for a contest between a few
"There is no 'we'. There's only you. No matter what the cost. So what you can do? Is get THE FUCK out of my sight!"
That line brought me to tears.
Don't take to heart what's said in grief.
@@CantGuardTeenow that is a beautiful fucking quote.
The worst part is that Brok has a missing part of his soul, which means he can't go to the afterlife. Sindri is too angry and blind that he blame others(which is only half true)
I really wasn’t expecting this game to be the emotional gut punch it was
I know it would be, but damn. Some of the punches were like from Mike Tyson in his prime days.
Had my whole living room crying tears of sadness and joy with this games story.
If this doesn't win game of the year um going to that award show and I'm giving someone the Zeus treatment
@@mriddley well it's biggest rival for goty is elden ring
@@snorlax7265 *Spoilers below* I feel like this is clearly a better story, better-acted, without having to pretend to care if Godmanay the White Cheese of Starlight is related to Godkrieg, First Among Carpenters - usual FROM Software word soup. BUT Elden Ring is a bigger more ambitious game with way more freedom and customization in a wildly open world. Most of the est moments of Ragnarok are on-rails plot exposition and set piece battles.
I guess it's a question of whether awards go to the "put you into an awesome movie" style or the "game be a game" style of design - I can see both sides.
Personally I think that if awards are at all for artistic merit, the half-smile Kratos gives when Atreus tells him "Don't be sorry, father - be better.", that silent acknowledgement that his Boy is becoming a man, and a good man - this whole sequence - Freya abandoning revenge, even if she can't forgive - man it's so good, GOTY for me all day.
But Elden Ring winning would be less highway robbery and more a philosophical difference on what 'Best Game' should be.
So here's what we know;
Brok died of a spider bite years ago. Sindri, not being ready to let Brok go, entered the Lake of Souls to retrieve the four parts of Brok's soul. However he was unsuccessful in finding the fourth part, arguably the most important part.
Odin disguised himself as Tyr to learn of the intents of his enemies. Nobody saw through the deception and they only learned of it when Odin revealed himself in the moment he killed Brok for being a massive pain (although Brok was unusually perceptive in that moment - Sindri, Freya, Freyr, Mimir, Kratos and even Atreus all didn't question the holes in Tyr's actions and words). Odin failed to get away with the Mask but he had learned of the true prophecy of Ragnarok and his enemies plans, giving himself an advantage in his defense.
Sindri is angry/upset (both words feel like a woefully huge understatement) at nobody being more perceptive. He is upset at Atreus for inviting the intruder into his home - the fact that Odin was disguised as Tyr doesn't matter to Sindri. He must be disappointed at least in Freya's inability to keep Brok alive. But on top of it all he is FUMING at his own failure all those years ago to reclaim that fourth part of Brok's soul, because in the words of Mimir "he isn't just DEAD, he's been denied an afterlife!" Sindri won't be able to begin forgiving Atreus and Kratos for bringing Tyr/Odin into his home until he's forgiven himself for his own failure, for ensuring Brok died and no longer exists anywhere.
I’d argue that even Brok didn’t known it was Odin, him just being his usual self and very upfront about issues, and that everyone else was too eager to get back at Odin and blinded by that eagerness.
That, and Odin was already pissed that Thor ruined his chances of getting the mask easy, so he snapped when Brok swatted it out of his hands again.
@@AnakinFury I am by no means trying to say Brok saw through Odin's deception. But nobody else noticed the holes in his actions and words, or they didn't care. It didn't add up properly, or in Brok's words, "this ain't welding true".
I find it odd that Kratos didn't really react to Tyr/Odin calling Atreus "Loki" considering up to that point, he had been denying that name. And yeah, Tyr/Odin did refer to Atreus as "Champion" and "Loki" on a few occasions, but one of those was as a joke and the other was in reaction and feigned surprise to hearing that Atreus freed Garm (Mimir's reaction to Garm's release will live rent free in my head until the day I die). Otherwise, Tyr/Odin called him Atreus.
May i know what kind of spider bit brok? And what thing they need from the spider in the first place? I dont have playstation so i could use the info to satisfy my curiosity
Was it a spider bite? Brok says in the first game that he once cut his own head off as a kid
@@user-qw9st6ck2e this info was revealed outside the games as far as I know. The only thing we know about the spider was that it was venomous and very deadly, as it killed Brok with a single bite and the venom turned his skin blue. Sindri never told Brok that he had died from that bite, but Brok realised during the events of this game. The only time Brok mentioned it was as he was dying in Sindri's arms after being stabbed by Odin.
listening to Atreus's voice wobble and almost break when he says *"I wanna go hunting."* hurts the heart and really reiterates to you just how young Atreus still is ☹️ that numb/apathetic stage of grief where all you want is a distraction from the pain really is a bitch to go through especially when you've been carrying the amount of guilt he has over previous mistakes.
Yeah it is. 😢 At least Father and God father's voice is comforting. Yes, Mimir is Godfather. 😁
And then hearing him absolutely falling to pieces when he says, "I keep... seeing it..." Gut-wrenching. What a phenomenal performance.
I can only imagine what Kratos did after just leaving Greece behind after its destruction, whatever he had to do I can only imagine the guilt ate him TF up. All that blood, all that death, and all that rage made him fully understand that the path he chose was all his doing but when he came to Midgard, the Kratos that entered there died and the man who lived there the following years became a new husband, a new father and most of all a new man. Even after all that time, despite him being far away, his mistakes haunt him day by day, night by night. But instead of beating himself up over it, he viewed it as an example for his son, therefore ensuring the cycle truly ended
Something else I caught was after Atreus and Kratos share the words about family to each other was Sindri's immediate ragged breathing, it started right after Atreus spoke. It's so obvious Sindri still really cares for Atreus and by extent, Kratos. I don't think Sindri truly wants to push them away, he's just consumed by grief right now, and he's angry, self-isolated, bitter, and definitely put Atreus in his place. But beneath all of that, their words still affected Sindri very deeply, that was the closest we've seen him come to breaking down since Brok's actual death, even during the funeral. There's still a lot of love for them in his heart beneath his grief and bitterness. I just think Sindri has to find a way to forgive himself for denying Brok an afterlife.
Many states that missing fulgia, Brok is in some sort of Limbo, trapped between the world of the living and the afterlife. It would be cool if there was expansion that would allow Kratos and Atreus find a way to reunite fulgia with Brok and help him reach proper afterlife in the end. That way, Sindri might find peace himself.
Also, one thing confuses me - if Brok's fulgia in in the Lake, while the rest of him is in this Limbo, shouldn't that fulgia be in the afterlife, and Brok having something like spiritual schisophrenia. No, I'm not joking.
@@mausolus8466 Maybe in the sense that if you cut your head off and roll it into a funeral home, 'you' can be buried, but it's arguable whether it's really you without all the rest.
@mausolustheheretic8466 the answer would be no. The fulgias sole purpose is to direct the other 3 soul bits to the lake of souls. Think of it as a boat. Without its passengers, it is nothing but a transportation vessel. The other 3 soul bits are what make up a person, while the 4th is meant to guide them to the afterlife. So even if the fulgia made it, nothing actually pertaining to brok did.
@@mausolus8466 Brok ISN'T missing Fulgia. We know exactly where it is. In the lake of souls. Doing its job. And probably calling the other pieces to itself. Yeah he didn't have it WHEN IT WAS ALIVE but it wasn't destroyed! Brok might spend some time in limbo, but I think the soul magic will sort it out just like it did with Fenrir
@@hagamapama Sorry, probably used incorrect wording (I'm not a native English speaker), I do realize it wasn't destroyed (could soul be even destroyed? Well, that's a philosophical question itself), but that his soul wasn't whole in his body - by "missing" I meant it wasn't with remaining parts when he died a second time.
I like how softly Kratos talks to Atreus here
Kratos grew into a very deep character beyond what Sparta allowed him to be.
Especially to Sindri too as he tells him “Mourn how you wish”
“I keep…seeing it… Brok’s eyes… the knife…Sindri’s face!”
Oh Atreus my poor boy….
At the beginning of the game, when Fenrir passed, Kratos immediately suggested a distraction for Atreus and then realized it was a bad call ("Ah, Kratos... I know you're trying") because Atreus needed the time to process his loss. Now he's much more attentive to what Atreus actually needs, and even helps him realize that running away from the grief won't solve anything in the long run. Kratos himself is still learning how to grieve several years after losing Faye because a.) she was his wife and losing her left an abismal hole, b.) she's the first loved one he's ever lost to natural causes, which can't be avenged by ripping someone to pieces, and c). it's after he's resolved to put hatred and revenge behind him for the sake of his new life, which means he doesn't want to rip anyone to pieces but is still learning how to live in a healthy way. The couple of scenes where we see him crying with the pouch that held Faye's ashes show as much. It's also a far cry from how he acted in the previous game, where he still was unable to express himself, even to Atreus ("do not mistake my silence for lack of grief"). At the end, when he tells Sindri to grieve how he sees fit, it shows his growing understanding of how each person goes handles loss differently, while knowing he himself can do nothing to help Sindri's pain.
This is amazing omg
Faye was more than just his wife. She healed him, helped to patch his soul back together, and made him feel human again. Part of the reason he was so grieved over her death was that he was scared that, without her presence, he would become a raging monster of hatred and violence again. That he would become the Ghost of Sparta again.
When Kratos said, "We are done....." I felt that was the closest he'd been to shedding tears. You can hear the emotions behind his words. Christopher Judge did such an amazing job as Kratos.
The moment Kratos broke was when Mimir stated how he'd feel better after bringing Odin to justice: "Justice? Justice is not what we seek". And then his voice breaks when he says: "It is vengeance!!"
The cruel irony that this is how Sindri's germaphobia goes away and we finally get to see how the Dwarves teleport around.
That's not a good thing. It means he's not even taking care of himself.
Sindri implied his Germaphobia is from the souls in the lake probably groping and grabbing him to stop him from getting Brok, that HAS to be traumatic. Real OCD is usually about traumatic response over something they cant control, so when Brok dies he has nothing left to control
It doesn’t go away he’s just clouded with anger
@@SM-be5dhYeah, this.
In grief I lose any semblance of ability to care, and this dulls that broken wire in your brain that struggles with task completion being subconsciously acknowledged due to conscious anxieties.
Emotions like nihilism and loss of hope can cause you to feel like even if the anxiety inherent to OCD is right, and the world ends because you didn't wash your hands until they bleed, who cares? What was there so worth preserving in the first place?
@@DrSabot-A you nailed it. i have OCD since i was a child. and oh man, it can be absolutely cruel when you experiment different types of pain or traumas having OCD. Being bullied, absence of a father, agressive behaviour of him, every traumatic experience provokes OCD to be out of control to the point that you can't resist doing them and your head ends absolutely tired. it took me lots of years of psychological therapy and medication to be better.
It’s strange…
Even after Freya’s arc with her plethora of anger and hateful emotions directed towards Kratos, her reaction to grief seems…tame - in comparison to Sindri.
What’s the saying?
“Beware the fury of a patient man”
I thinks it’s just on different levels;
For Freya she definitely seemed mad with grief and rage before she came around, but that’s expected of her as she is so fierce and downright scary despite her kindness.
Sindri tho, has always been the anxious little germaphobe friend. Not the kind we’d expect to act this way, even in grief. But we couldn’t see the toll that was being taken on him psychologically until broks death brought it all out in pure bitter, horrendous mourning. Which makes it all the more painful that we can see logically how he could come to this point.
@@chasemcnab7610 It's honestly one of the most evocative and staggering portrayals in gaming that I have ever seen of the way that grief can *utterly* change someone.
She's been grieving for three years .
you actually started seeing that when Sindri had to give up Draupnir and didn't get to hide Brok's death from him by talking to the lady. There was a strain in him from that point forward, and it wasn't even Kratos' idea, it was Brok's.
I felt then that Sindri was reaching a boundary but because he loved Brok he was trying to ignore it. This is what happens when you don't defend your boundaries -- when real catastrophe strikes, everything comes out at once.
God Christopher judge sells that performance every single time.
The entire cast is sooo spot on, these VA know to act more than a real ass movie
Knowing full well that Sindri blames himself above all others makes this all the more dreary. Not a single person saw through Odin's guise until it was too late and that includes Sindri.
My thought process from Artreus’s perspective goes back to what Freyr said to Freya, except here it applies much more suitably. “Do we mean that little to you.” I think it should be hurtful that Sindri says he doesnt have his family anymore, I dont like how later he says that no more dwarves should die. Why would he care about the lives of the other dwarfs??? They shunned him and Brok according to him. I already had my arms crossed in discomfort with Sindri for sometime, but after he got bitter, I have AT LEAST as much ridicule for him as I do sympathy, if not more.
The big circle back with hunting deer again, but full of hollow emptiness, was such an emotional beat.
a hole
I love Kratos stumbling over his words when he says "this is distraction," he swallows the "a." His words are very brief and carefully chosen to have maximum impact. The fact that he can't speak clearly shows that he's in just as much grief as Atreus. He's just handling it better because he's older and has more experience dealing with it.
Ironic, considering who he is. This guy’s default reaction to grief used to be to scream at the gods and then kill everything in sight. I guess after doing that for a thousand years he realized pain doesn’t actually go away on its own. No god is going to reach down and take it from you. You need to heal yourself.
The fucking growth of Kratos man... In the 4th game, he tells Atreus to go hunting right after Faye dies. He doesn't give Atreus time to grieve because its what Kratos thinks his son needs. Now Atreus tries doing the very same thing Kratos taught him when Brok dies. Except now Kratos realizes distraction isn't what Atreus needs. He recognizes his son has to take time to grieve now. They can't simply run from it. Kratos, the one who was so cut off from his emotions, has to reteach his son to feel them. UGH these games are SO GOOD.
Sindri is normally so focused on cleanliniess. But here, he is bloodied, his gloves are gone. And here, Sindri utters his one and only EVER curse.
He said fuck when accompanying Atreus to Freya
@@DrSabot-A well he cursed when he gets a bit serious normally or in comedic effect but after this he cursed constantly
He said "Oh shit, that was you guys" after Magni died in the last game. And he said fuck while acompanying Atreus to Freya afyer rescuing "Tyr" in this game.
“If you are to sail, do it toward somewhere.”
Such a great line.
sooo, by Mimir explanation, Broks entire existence ceased to exist basically
Yeah basically which is soo much sadder and dark and is why Sindri is more heart broken and angry cause he blames himself for it
Either that, or his soul can't find the Lake of Souls, and thus will roam aimlessly forever.
@@greendemon905 thats... still dark as hell
I wonder if Sindri will try to forge that part of Brok’s soul back.
@@TheNorthie I don’t think it works like that
Atreus: I thought we were his family too…
Kratos: We were.
Blood or otherwise. Family is an important thing. A thing that can be broken, repaired and even shattered beyond recognition. And all you can do is live with that. Learn from your mistakes and become better to avoid doing it again.
atrecus voice actor is literally perfection to the T with the emotions giving us the indication that he is incredibly depressed and heartbroken for losing someone so close
The beginning of God of War (2018) hits so much harder now. Incredible story telling, it shows the pain Kratos is/was in and how he grieves his wife. A truly incredible and deep character with so much depth.
Yea, watching this feels like a hole in your chest, you feels an empty sadness, one that longs for that which is no longer there.
A Hole...
@@n0va923 Get's bigger the more you take away...
Listening to Atreus speak while trying to piece together what happened to Brok. Heart wrenching...props to the actor portraying that.
10:31 I love how kratos straightaway knows that sindri is lost forever but then focuses on atreuses wellbeing because he knows when a person is broken
I like hear how they portrayed the 5 stages of grief Atreus went through, and how Kratos and Mimir helped get through them.
Denial: They went hunting, trying to avoid the reality that broke is dead, Running away, as Kratos says it.
Anger: Atreus sees is reminded of his assumed mistakes, portraying anger, that which he learned to control, through Kratos.
Barganing: as he asked for a way to bring him back, is reminded by Mimir that Broks soul wasnt whole, so there is nothing they could do
Depression: felt through the whole thing, especially when they went and saw Sindri:
Acceptance; when they finally went on with their adventure, accepting brok's fate, and doing what needs to be done.
Sindri unfortunately, is stuck in the anger phase, without his brother to help him get back, and closing his feelings.
The fact that I didn't connect Brok being dead in 2018 to the Hell walkers having blue skin back then made me feel dumb.
Sindri explained in the previous game that Brok's skin is blue because of prolonged contact with raw silver.
Okay, I read the wiki, Brok's skin is blue because he was cyanotic from being dead for so long.
@@chisompeterson6132 Did you not think it was a lie?
If Brok was suspicious of his current skin tone, he would have figured out what Sindri did. This is a separate incident caused by a real life condition caused by handling raw silver.
@@chisompeterson6132 I honestly think its a lie, and I'm also fairly certain that the reason why Brok is banned in Alpheim isn't because he's a filthy pig, but because of what Sindri did.
@@chisompeterson6132 plausible deniability. 😎
When Sindri said "Not even my family," it just hurt so bad. You can hear it, feel it in his voice. Such a good-natured and humble character reduced down to this is heart breaking. Despite this though, it's still one of the most powerful scenes in the game to me. Credit to the actor who plays Sindri, amazing performance.
Father of the century, literally 😂😭😭.
Brok was the last character I thought would die.
That's why it hurts the worst
I was not expecting it to hurt so much. If before the game started someone told me that Brok was gonna die, I'd have been like "OK who cares?" but over the game he's just such an amazing side character, and losing him genuinely made me cry and rush to end Odin as soon as possible
"I thought we were his family too" is the most heartbreaking part to me. It suddenly made me realise that Sindri's grief make him not just isolate himself but completely push away people who became his new family after he and Brok were rejected by other Dwarves. Who became BROK'S family. Who loved him as well. (Also, poor Atreus' heart of gold, god-of-war-damn-it!)
Sindri: you don't know what sorry means!
Kratos: I slaughtered an entire pantheon to atone and still wear the ashes of my first family forever bonded to my skin. Go on.
He was addressing Atreus not Kratos
@@elianrodriguez7318 sindri had a decent idea what kratos gone through, but for him arteus was the biggest betrayal in his grief, someone who hasn't understood that level of grief before this
@@f687sNFM his mum died
@@elianrodriguez7318 I'm aware.
@@Grissbane Not according to the first comment.
4:56
Atreus: “WHAT ARE YOU DOING?! Now it’s guard is up!”
Kratos: 🤨
Amazing that Kratos didn't give up completely. Suffering from the machinations of greedy and deceitful higher powers throughout his life. Robbed of his first family and his people of Sparta. Now this.
Committing to the fight again was a powerful follow-up to this moment. But I wouldn't have faulted the writers if they finally allowed him to walk away.
It was thanks to Pandora. She told him to never let go of hope even if all else is lost. It is by hope that Kratos is able to believe in Faye words that he can be better. And better indeed he has become.
He has dealt with grief his entire life and seen his entire race and civilization crumble due to the cruel nature of Gods. It's as he said, "Our actions have consequences. To be reminded of them is not punishment"
When Sindri and Brok disappeared i legit thought my game broke cause it was so sudden I couldn’t piece together they traveled between the realms.
Me too. I was fucking glued to that moment and did a double take. It took me awhile to realize what happened
5:00
That is so wise.... bravo to the writers. In an age of fatherlessness, this game is a gem.
media was so oversaturated with "good dad" characters that "bad dad" became the new cool idea.
now media is so oversaturated with "bad dad" characters that "good dad" became the new cool idea.
we really went the whole circle huh...
give it a few years and we will have too many "good dad" characters again and it'll change again.
@@underarmbowlingincidentof1981 To be honest - I do not think writers can make "Good Dads" to be enough to saturate a culture. We are an age of utter debauchery - we simply dont learn from our mistakes. It's always easier to sin than to be righteous. GoW: R is an exception. The writers know a thing or two about family, manhood, fatherhood, and perhaps most importantly realistic abuse and conflicts. (Aka Odin's gaslighting and manipulation, Thor's inability to live his own way, Artreus' fish-out-of-water experience and the desire to be a man to save his own father, etc etc)
@@yharnamiyhill787 Mate the same happened to good endings, zombie movies, etc... something is found people like and its used until there is no more drop to get out of it... then for a time nobody wants to talk about it until one day it comes back and a second wave appears.
Happened with Zombie media
there were enough good dads in media, movies, books, comics... like come on. Most old western movies have the righteous family man as its main hero.
But then after a while people just got bored with the same old stuff.
When Kratos said “We are done”, I think he meant “We are done letting Odin fuck with us, we will be better”
This sequence is one of the best representations of the stages of grieving.
The only thing that breaks my heart more than this moment is later, when Thrud clocks Atreus in the face for bringing Ragnarok to her home. The noise that Sindri makes as he turns visible and comes to hit her for it.
That Atreus tells him to stop, that she's a friend......that he still listens.
You are family Atreus, you are.
What is something that gets bigger, the more you take away?
A hole....
.........a debt.......
_..................revenge.........._
from playing god of war when atreus was just a little one, from how hard kratos was on him, to showing so much more love an care, i love this side of kratos also love the harder side, knowing he's doing it because he loves him so much.
I love how Kratos' boy is the only other person he has allowed to "lead" him, giving Atreus practice on his leadership, as well as practicing how to trust others himself.
Kratos really went & put ragnarok itself on hold to make sure his son would be okay, such a great dad
this game should really have come with a warning that is steamroll right through your feels one cut scene at a time
yeah, 30 hours of steamrolling haha
God, the voice acting in this game is just so soul-movingly good
That sword Sindri was forging 08:20 was the same one he used during the battles of ragnarok. I can't help but notice how plain and unadorned it is compared to his normal level of craftmanship (like his armor). A crude thing, hammered into shape not 10 paces from the body of his dead brother for the sole purpose of vengeance. It is mentioned in the game that the dwarves can forge strange things, like a breastplate made of dog's barks or the sound of the wind incorporated into the Draupnir Spear. Makes me wonder how powerful a sword imbued with a dwarf's grief of a brother lost and the hatred of his killer will be. Don't know if Sindri named that weapon, but Aumleikr seems apt. *Misery*
Brok even in his death said to Sindri, “ Y’gotta let go.” Seems like he was trying to help Sindri let go of him, that he doesn’t need to keep trying to bring him back.
To make matters worse, Brok wouldn't have blamed Atreus for unknowingly bringing Odin into their home. Nor he would've forsaken Kratos and Atreus all together
@@joshuaromerogonzalez945give him time, Sindri will realise this eventually and honour his brother’s wishes, which will lead him to making up with Atreus, Kratos and the others.
7:37 That "I have tried" line is so huge.
Am I the only one who’s learned more from Kratos than my own father???
The Norse saga of GoW is an excellent example of positive masculinity. Something most people (men and women) don't think about or understand. However positive masculinity is essential for breaking these cycles that men are trapped in. I think these games will have a massive impact on many men and boys for how to be better people, be themselves, and express themselves in front of others. It's a great pushback on the manosphere bullshit. GoW shows that masculinity can be constructive, positive, strong, sensitive, empathetic, kind and caring.
@@CrownedFalcon00 goddamn that’s exactly what I was thinking, my father was a prime example of toxic masculinity on top of being a terrible piece of shit for various other reasons, I really do think Kratos gives amazing lessons on how to be masculine in a positive way without tapping into misogyny or other sorts of things that are popular in the “manosphere” like you mentioned. Kratos is strong, but not to hurt people, to defend himself and his child, he is strong willed, but not unwilling to listen to others, he is intelligent, but aware he still has things to learn, and he maintains a strong masculine presence but never as a front, these are all great examples to set for young boys unlike people out there like Andrew fucking Tate telling kids that women are terrible which is why men are good, moron honestly.
@@IamRoley I completely agree on your comments about the manosphere. It terrible that we as society have neglected the social and emotional development of men and boys that Andrew Tate has become popular. It's our fault too though (the parents), my parents were pretty good but they still perpetuated the toxic stereotypes and so did I. None of us knew better. That neglect lead directly to Tate
The great thing is the series doesn't shy away from showing us the mistakes kratos and atreus made. Especially kratos, it really highlights his journey from a the same toxic masculinity we all grow up with and how that toxicity can be overcome. While at the same time acknowledging that actions having consequences and how trying to run from them, forget them, or hide them is harmful not just to ourselves but others around us. Especially our kids and friends. The positive takeaway is that we don't need to let our mistakes define who we are if we be better. I love that message of be better.
@@CrownedFalcon00 Damn man it’s so cool to see someone as passionate about this topic as I am. That message of be better is even more impactful when you look into the behind the scenes content of GOW 2018, seeing how Christopher Judge, who is a big, strong, traditionally very masculine man, is actually publicly very feminist and an lgbt ally. He, just like Kratos, is a great example of what a good man should be. At least from what he presents to the public that’s how it seems. That all makes Kratos so much more real as a character. I’m playing through Ragnarok right now and it’s even more apparent how wise Kratos has become, all the lessons he departs to Atreus but also talking more candidly about his past and how it affected him, it makes his turn around as a character even more impactful and inspiring. I think media needs more characters and men like Kratos and Judge in the public eye, if there were more of them there would be no vacuum for people like Andrew Tate to fill.
Young men really do need more guidance I think. The idea of what a man is has changed a lot in recent decades and there is a need for more men who can show forms of healthy masculinity. If there were more characters like GOW 2018 Kratos when I was a boy I think I would’ve had a much easier time figuring out my own masculinity. But all that matters is that there’s characters like him now who are paving a way to a more strong, decent, emotionally tuned in, and caring type of man.
What makes me sad is brok is denied of afterlife not from his choices but from sindri, but brok still forgive his brother
I had imagined that in the next game Atreus was able to go to the Lake of souls, and use soul magic to call out to the missing piece of Brok's soul. 🤷🏾♀️
@@Gumbier_Than that kinda pointless tho, the part brok missing is direction, the one who lead other 3 to afterlife, without it brok 3 part souls is missing forever, so if atreus can get that part, the other 3 part will long gone
@@gunawanputera6443 hey we don't know the callback summoning range of a giant's magic.
@@Gumbier_Than especially because Atreus is not only a giant but also a god so his powers are way more potent because of the godly blood running through him
My god, the voice acting in this game is incredible.
9:49 how Sindri looks away before telling Atreus to “get the fuck out of my sight”, like he didn’t want to cuss at his friend
I don't think I'll ever get used to seeing kratos act this way
Kratos has always cared about children, especially his own. Every moment with Calliope reflects when he acts calmly with Atreus
@@zenith8417 not that part the part that he's just quiet and reserved
@@Crekification I mean, he never really talked outside of threats in the old games, or times where he showed respect/love for his allies. Hes always been taciturn, he never went on a long ass speech unless he was pissed off, everything outside of that was the narrators job or the Gods filling in to explain the rest of the plot
@@zenith8417 yeah I know that's exactly the point I'm making.
Man, watching Brok die and Sindri sink to his bottom was a privilege to watch - great story telling in my opinion. I know a lot of people who hate seeing favorite characters die, but in stories at least, they let you get a glimpse of what it could be like in real life. However, instead of experiencing them first hand, you are allowed the opportunity to empathy with that character and, if you're smart, gain an appreciation for what you still have.
I've never physically seen anything too traumatic in person, but I've seen a lot of shit on the internet over the years, mostly war footage but also executions, murders, and the like. I completely understand when Atreus is talking about not forgetting seeing Brok and the knife and his tone breaks my heart. There was a video of an ISIS execution with a shotgun and I have the same issues, I can always see the shotgun, the poor sod, the arms of the executioner, the walls around him. If I'm affected so deeply by what I've seen in videos, I can only imagine what it's like seeing it happen right in front of you
I love the delivery of the line “we are done” it sounds so defeated, yet so full of quiet anger.
Is it normal that im crying over this?
"If you are to sail, do it toward somewhere."
I found this line in particular fairly profound in my own life. Sail to somewhere, with purpose and direction, or you may lose yourself in oceans of grief.
God tier voice acting in this series. Just amazing stuff.
Cringy millenial dialogue why are gods/goddess saying sh*t, f**k, my ex, well that just happened, they make jokes constantly like a bad Marvel movie. They dont talk like gods at all they talk like americans.
9:53 Jesus that's some good voice acting, you can feel the grief in that line.
I didn't hate Odin until this moment I mean it's one thing to hear about someone's cruelty from others but to witness it first hand I haven't wanted to kill someone so bad since kai leng from mass effect 3
Why did you have to bring up Kai Leng? I always wanted Kai Leng to drown in outhouse water. 😂 Freakin' putz.
Man, screw Kai Leng lol
@@Gumbier_Than I enjoyed the renegade option I took with him
@@mriddley _Everyone_ takes the option to stab that jerk.
Honestly there are so many details to note coming back to this scene. Atreus having Kratos' 'in the direction of dear' line. The over all ambiance.
Some I think need to be recognized is Freya's anger, and Fryer's sadness. Sure he didn't know Brok but you can tell he's heart broken, if not over brok, for everyone else. The sadness he shows when Atreus hands back the mask. He knows this pain and he so wants to do something, say something to help.
"I keep, seeing it, the knife, brok, sindri's face." That last part might honestly be what's breaking Atreus most. Atreus is the reason 'Tyr' Was there and to have that end up costing someone who was both like an uncle and a best friend to Atreus by this point must be absolutely tearing the poor boy apart.
What's also amazing is Kratos really gets to put what he learned from 2018 on full display. In many ways that entire game was Kratos realizing his entire starting point was just a distraction from His loss and not being ready to be there for Atreus, and ending with them as the family both wanted.
Sindri and Odin also have an interesting parallel at the end. Sindri went through hell to bring Brok back. Much like Odin brought hell to everyone to learn his fate, to learn control. In the death of Brok Sindri was probably hit with everything he's ever done and wondering 'what was it all for?' much like Odin literally breaks down screaming that question when Atreus snaps the mask and causes the rift to seal. It's also the same feeling Freya was having at the end of 2018 and early Ragnorok. What was it all for? what did it all amount to if the very thing you worked to prevent still happened or the thing you worked for never actualized.
That was a great way to recreate the scene from the first game
feel like kratos said "we are done" because he felt tra might become that ruthless monster he once was because of the grieve.
cant really tell why kratos just gave up and tried running
To help Atreus cope with grief and properly mourn, precisely so he doesn't end up like Sindri who isolated himself. Even if grieving people tell you to leave them alone they really need someone by their side, and by Sindri not allowing anyone near him it made him go down the path of anger and rage (I can't blame him. He feels betrayed and was robbed of literally everything in the blink of an eye, hopefully he can heal and move on soon)
It's still a shock every time I see Sindri so angry. Never thought I would see him like that
Sindri always wears gloves bc of germs and he never curses, both unlike brok. And he does both immediately when he loses his brother
There have been few games that made me feel for the loss of a character, this is one of them
It's insane to me how good the writing is here,the fact Kratos picked up and identified that Atreus is doing the EXACT same thing he did when faye passed away,is fucking beautiful
KRATOS would no all about distractions during grief he killed an entire pantheon.
In Gow Ghost of Sparta Prequel to Gow2 he lost his Mother and Brother.
I just Fkin LOVE how they developped kratos as a wise man, coping with his past and be the dad his son needs.
4:06 dude,every Word he said breaks me
Give the dude credit as bad as he had it in the original games he actually is stepping up and trying to be a good parent character growth right now after all the heavy things he had to put up with it's nice to see him mellow down and teach his son how grief and not run away from your pain and problems in the end you have to embrace it and accept things for what they are msd respect to the team for giving life lessons in a video game 😊😊
To see how kratos has changed from the beginning of this game to here notice in the beginning with the wolf when he dies kratos says let's train which wasn't the right move much later in the game you see him tell atreus this is a distraction you literally see even between the beginning to this scene kratos devoplment man it's great
I definitely feel bad for Atreus and Sindri, I know Atreus feels like the whole thing was his fault but everyone was fooled , it was no one’s fault
But Odins
the fact hes denied an afterlife makes it so much worse
I'm suprised that a mere kitchen kniife managed to pierce Brok's dwarven made armor
2:54 You can tell Kratos' impending "ah shit he's doing exactly what I forced him to do in the first game and i don't want him doing it"
Hearing Sindri say those words, just broke my heart.
He was one of the good ones, now hes lost. 😢
i just realized when atreus was hunting deer, he was talking less like what normally kratos does.
I realized just how broken Sindri was when they found him and he was working.....barehanded.
idk what's more sad. Brok being killed, or seeing how it affected sindri :(
She doesn’t understand, even the best soldier needs a mental break every now and then.
Freya at this point is still running on hatred and anger, with a healthy dosing of grief on top from Brok. Then to top that off, she's not been through the path of vengeance fully as Kratos has, and is not Atreus's parent. She couldn't see that that moment could've been the start to a path of blood and vengeance for Atreus like Kratos could.
Even though it's understandable, Freya's obsession with killing her ex-husband is annoying.😒
9:10 holy fuck man.. the acting is so GOOD
Anyone feel like this is Kratos making amends of the hunting trip in the first game? Like, facing the grief instead of burying it through hunting. I get that vibe whenever I watch this scene. Anyone else?
I always like how Kratos helps Atreus just enough, by pointing out that they were ALL fooled by Odin, not just Atreus, not just Sindri, but Freya, Freyr, Brok and himself as well.
Kratos' voice is so soothing
Imagine a new God of War chapter, focusing only to Atreus/Loki and he has to fight a lot of times with Sindri that acts like Freya at the beginning for revenging his brother…
I wish I had a father figure like Old Man Kratos.
Heart wrenching
This is the saddest moment of all god of war moments
I thought...we were his family to.
...we were.
Never thought a God of War game would make me emotional, god damn.
I see that some lines remained iconic