@@michaelspence2508 yeah that guy was weird, like seriously his brother in law is in the freaking DEA and he's just like "time to make meth" just goes to show how stupid criminals can be sometimes
I operated equipment my entire life, in the Teamsters and Operating Engineers. My IBEW brother who I hadnt talked to but once in 30 years tells me, "You're no operating engineer..."
@@DynV Yeah to feel superior to him by giving him a low end job, and then continuing that dynamic for years when Jimmy was taking care of Chuck while dealing with his illness. Even to go as far as making Howard take complete blame in not hiring Jimmy as a lawyer, because Chuck didn't have the balls to talk to Jimmy straight-up on why he didn't approve his choice
I love how Michael McKean described Chuck's relationship with Jimmy in an interview: "Chuck made his mom proud, but Jimmy made her laugh." Perfectly captures why Chuck is so hostile to the idea that Jimmy could pass the BAR, because what makes Chuck special now?
He always knew Jimmy was an intelligent yet juvenile danger to everyone around him, and was appropriately horrified at him having legal power as we’ve come to see.
@@MrSoopSA But at this point he had gone straight edge, and Chuck could have facilitated the way Jimmy operated in a moral manner under his firm’s guidance. Chuck was right but only because his actions made it so.
Jimmy working a FULL TIME JOB, taking law classes at night, in his spare time... because he wants to be a lawyer so badly. And chuck still shits on him and says he's not a "real" lawyer. The arrogance!!!
@@glanni I love this show. You can't quit thinking about it during the week! There's so many questions and plot points you can expand on! Anyway, yea, you can easily see how Jimmy --> Saul. He tried doing it the "right" way and was met with nothing but disdain and condescension.
He is used to it and i think accepted some criticism of him, because he knows he is flawed. But those things made Jimmy likeable and the behavior of Chuck so much like a betrayel. It perfectly shows their relationship - at least until the point Jimmy took over and destroyed Chuck for good. He did what Cuck failed to do to him.
The fact that chuck was so "proud" of Jimmy working in the mailroom but disappointed in him becoming a lawyer showed how much he didn't actually want success from him. He wanted that mailroom job to be a constant reminder to jimmy of " if it was not for me, you would still be in jail". Since Jimmy getting the law degree on his own meant Chuck could not lord over him.
I don't know if he is "disappointed" so much as he is shocked, horrified, and in fear of what this could mean given Jimmy's past and what him being a lawyer could be like. He views it as an insult to the law.
@@Onmysheet bar exam was in person, in abq. This is what matters, not the medium of getting knowledge. Btw "People" want in-person things to create middleperson jobs, not necesarily the good of the students, workers, anyone really. All that time and money and efficienct that is wasted so that middlemen "managers" and their entourage can have some bread to eat, covid really has showed it for what it is.
but wasn't Jimmy doing schemes before he even knew about Chuck not hiring him? The billboard, the first episode with the Twins... Chuck found the newspaper about Jimmy's billboard scheme, I mean, it only served to prove Chuck's continued belief Jimmy is still stuck in his ways...
@@JellyBea420 You can make the argument that the whole american justice system is just 'schemes'. Chuck just has a fancier suit and an office with a view.
This is what always got me about Chuck claiming that Jimmy isn't a real lawyer. Speaking as someone who took and failed it twice, there is NO WAY that a person can pass the exam without demonstrating a significant degree of capability as a lawyer. It really is proof that you can do the job. On the other hand, it is entirely possible to graduate from law school- even a prestigious law school- and forgot absolutely everything you've learned in a handful of months. Jimmy proved himself. He really did. And what was Chuck's response to what, by all rights, should have been the proudest moment of Jimmy's life? A campaign of sabotage, to keep the little brat in his place. Saul Goodman is nothing more nor less than what Chuck McGill made of him.
Nah you've oversimplified what is meant to be a morally complex tale. Jimmy did all kinds of bad things to gain an advantage, including making an old woman cry because her friends hating her. He also did plenty of bad things just for shits and giggles.
@@RealityCheck6T9 that was after Chuck rejected him at HHM and denounced him as a real lawyer. “When you straightened and got a job at the mailroom, I was very proud.” This implies that Jimmy did change but his elitist brother was too arrogant to judge him by his past. He started cutting corners again because he didn’t have any support from his own brother who didn’t hire him.
@@beatlecristian - Jimmy really could never handle doing things the "boring" way that everyone else does them. This is what gets him into trouble, ultimately. Doesn't matter if he is Slippin' Jimmy, James McGill, Esq., or Saul Goodman, he is always the same guy deep down, and he knows it.
@@MkeKen67 not true. He spent 10 years at HHM working in the mailroom and also studying to pass the bar which I’ve heard is insanely difficult, there is no cutting corners there, you either pass it or you don’t get your law license. What is it with people being so quick to judge someone by their past while not looking at the log in their own eye.
@@beatlecristian - So, why does he decide to throw ethics out the window once he's been an attorney for just a few years? I mean, he put in all that work to be able to practice law, and then he starts doing things that he knows will jeopardize his law license. He does put in a lot of work on some of his schemes, like getting Mesa Verde back to Kim, but it really was not his place to just decide to "give" it to her. This is not how a reputable attorney operates. It seemed like he just couldn't help backsliding into his old ways. Don't get me wrong, I love the show, and one of my law professors thought it was pretty awesome, too (and he taught my ethics class). One thing I have to credit Jimmy on, he (grudgingly) admitted that the Sand Piper class action case was too big for him and Chuck to work on by themselves. And he did quite a bit to help Chuck with the whole electromagnetic field allergy thing, and I was pissed at Chuck for not showing Jimmy more gratitude for all he did for him. Okay, now I'm just rambling.
*(scoffs) "Is this a joke?"* That little line McKean delivers is so potent. You can feel the hostility inside of Chuck at that moment when he comes to the realization that Jimmy passed the bar exam (before even Jimmy confirms to him that he did). The rest is pure Hater-ade.
I don't think it's hostility. I think he's so used to expecting Slippin' Jimmy that he thought it was an elaborate joke by Jimmy and was still trying to term that a prank was the best possible answer. Look at Chuck's face as the scene goes on, he's still entertaining Jimmy, but when Jimmy said University of Samoa, Chuck seems to know what it is, but he doesn't see it as a prestigious school. So, he starts accepting him as a lawyer BUT only a lawyer by technicality in some unknown school. He was still way below Chuck and he probably hoped that Jimmy would just go on to fail at this, or, knowing Jimmy, he'll keep at this but never get anywhere. Note that a lot of this is still just interpretation based on mannerisms, on my end. But yes, I don't think Chuck was always quick to hate on Jimmy, he hates him for sure, but only when given absolute power that Chuck thinks he'll mishandle.
All Chuck had to say, the only thing he had to day was: You really did this? And then give his brother a smile. He should have celebrated Jimmy passing the bar exam. Instead all he could do is treat his brother with contempt. The thing is that Chuck doesn't want Jimmy to change. Because that would mean Chuck might have to treat him with respect. Chuck is horrified by the idea that Jimmy might want to be treated as a peer or equal. He simply cannot allow that. Better Call Saul is about choices, and Chuck made a terrible choice for the sake of his own ego.
@@pittland44 idk, the most recent episode has shown that some people simply doesn't change, or they end up in the situation one way or another. I mean what's stopping Jimmy from being a good lawyer after Chuck died? If you let one bad influence shape your life moving forward then that's just you looking for excuses to blame. The latest episode, Howard has been good to him and even offered him a job to be a lawyer at a good firm. Instead he takes this as offense, continues with being a "criminal" lawyer, buys bowling balls and destroys Howard's car. How is Chuck to blame for this? The same reason you can't blame the Schwartz for every wrong thing in Walter's life, Jimmy would've ended up as Saul even if Chuck wasn't there. And that's the beautiful thing about this. Chuck was a horrible person, who was actually right. Jimmy with a law degree is like a chimp with a machinegun.
@@SteelBallRun1890 Chuck was only right because he provoked everything. Jimmy was a guy with great morals who didn't care much about the law when it felt it was unfair, so he was willing to bend it to help people in need (like Kim who deserved Mesa Verde for example), while Chuck dutifully respected the law but only to serve his burning hatred and selfish desires, Chuck wants Jimmy to be his slave and nothing else, and he will destroy anyone who gets close to him and might give him importance, be it Ernesto or Kim. Chuck is also a coward who lets Howard take the blame for his action. Chuck ensured that every time Jimmy did anything right, he would be punished for it, without Chuck's hatred, at worst Jimmy would have been a little con-artist who didn't do real harm to anyone. If you beat up a kid every day for years, you can't say "I've always told you he was violent" the day he does the right thing and puts a bullet in your skull.
0:57 that little laugh by Chuck says so much about him. Its an easy thing to miss on first watch, and you assume its because Chuck is impressed with Jimmy`s grit. But, rewatching it after their big argument, its pretty clear Chuck was just laughing derisively about Jimmy getting his law degree from the 'University of American Samoa'. Such a snob, so petty, so jealous, so defensive and so insecure. Its easy to hate Chuck, but he`s utterly real and well-drawn as a character.
And Jimmy wears it like a medal. He is always rocking an American Samoa jersey. He is genuinely proud of what he got for his hours of study and rightfully so.
@Mister Guy I can't imagine that this is a USB-capable recording device. Vince Gilligan confirms that Better Call Saul is set in 2002 -- and by the time we see him he's already been practicing for some time, more than a year at least -- when Ernesto is hired on, Howard says to Saul "You've been doing all this for more than a year?" -- so it's been probably two or three years since Jimmy passed the bar and this scene, meaning this is '99 or so. No way that anyone outside of a professional recording studio had USB microphones already.
All Lawyer do same, you can clearly see that isn’t the same recorder. When chuck record Jimmy it looks like a light Gray CD player with a Tape, this has a Mic and looks from the 90s
I love how Jimmy says, the bar exam was a mother, “for me at least” implying that Jimmy thought his brother was so smart and knowledge of the law that he could pass the bar easily
I can only imagine how heart broken Jimmy was when he found out what his brother thought of him. He tried VERY hard to change, and he did, and he lived up to his brother's "expectations". Well, turns out Chuck never expected his brother to be good, Chuck hates his brother and wanted his brother to stay in that mail room forever. This show is so deep in hindsight. And this show was just like taking a part of someone's life onto the TV. 11/10 for Better Call Saul!
Lived up to his brother's expectations? No, he surpassed them and that was the problem Chuck had. He was too small-minded and couldn't imagine Jimmy ever becoming more than "Slippin' Jimmy". He couldn't conceive of "James McGill, Lawyer" and this made him angry and scared just like any other ignorant bigot would become.
I think he just wanted Jimmy to know the struggle that he went through, hell, Kim worked her way up from the mail room. But to constantly see Jimmy trying to take the way, it made him angry. I mean, look at what Jimmy did in Breaking Bad. Also, I'd like to add, Jimmy made a small cameo in Breaking Bad, when he realized that Jesse was in love...watch it, you'll see him. ;) I think that was pure brilliance.
Same with the flashback scene with Chuck's ex wife. Jimmy's telling funny jokes around the table then Chuck tries it later but she doesn't find his joke funny. That pissed him off too, knowing a fact that Jimmy is better at something than him.
The most interesting thing is that Chuck turned out to be right about jimmy . The thought of Slippin jimmy as a lawyer terrified him . It was kind of a self fulfilling prophecy
Jimmy's body language is so spot on . His tone and speech are full of banter and energy but his body language is just full of anxiety, desperate for his brother's approval.
This is one of the saddest scenes in the whole show. The fact that Jimmy passed the bar while working full time and fully lived up to all his brothers “expectations” in the most hard-working, American dream way only to be manipulated by his brother to stay beneath him is just heart breaking. Imagine how good Jimmys life could have been if he had a brother with a morsel of compassion.
Seriously. At this point in the story, Jimmy really had changed. He'd done everything Chuck asked him to do: he abandoned the "Slippin Jimmy" lifestyle, cut all ties with his old associates, moved to Albuquerque, took a job in the HHM mailroom, and completely stayed out of trouble for years. And on top of that, he earned himself a law degree in his spare time through sheer initiative and hard work. Yeah, he took classes at an online school but he still followed all the rules, put in the work, studied the law, and passed the exams. But Chuck couldn't accept the fact that his little brother had actually bettered himself, so he actively sabotaged Jimmy's career before it even began, and then lied by blaming it on his law partners. What a piece of shit.
@@drrockkso8882 honestly i know the online school part doesn't look prestigious but anyone that's actually took online classes in real life knows they can be even more difficult because you have to motivate yourself (just you, no professors or classmates) to get your assignments done
@@smtandearthboundsuck8400 yeah no he wasn’t dumb little clown he only became that way again because of chuck so chuck was wrong all the time because if chuck had been more supportive he would have never gone back to being slippin Jimmy.
@@smtandearthboundsuck8400Chuck literally caused the whole thing. He blocked his going straight path and turned him back to being Slippin Jimmy and then to an Eben worse situation with Saul Goodman.
This is one of those scenes where you see it completely different way the second time. At first I thought Chuck was shocked, but nevertheless proud of Jimmy, the second time I realised that Chuck is really terrified from what Jimmy just brought to him.
@Mister Guy - Don't know if you knew about Chuck's hatred of Jimmy beforehand, but without any pre-knowledge I had no idea he though that way. Sure it was clear that he didn't think of Jimmy as an equal, but I had no idea that he despised the idea of Jimmy as a lawyer. So far we had only seen him giving some advice to Jimmy, while of course assuring him that it's only a matter of time before Jimmy's hard work pays off. Yes, there was clues to his real thoughts, but they were the kind that you can interpret as Chuck only being concerned that Jimmy's going back to his old ways.
Jimmy's so humble in this scene. From, "It's not Georgetown or anything," where Chuck went to, "the bar exam's a mother -- for me [at least]," acknowledging how how he was inspired by the two most important people to him, his big bro and Kim. I mean, yeah, Jimmy-as-Saul went nuclear and got Chuck's insurance canceled, but after all Chuck did to hurt his brother and the lack of *honest* communication, I don't think there's anything that could have hurt Jimmy more than telling him he just never mattered that much to him. I forgot how sweet Jimmy was.
The only thing that matters is that he passed the bar exam. Everyone, regardless of colleges, community colleges or family wealth, have to take the same exam and pass it. And so, regardless that Jimmy went to crappy schools. He passed the exact same exam that every Harvard Law graduate has to pass. They're in the same club. The bar exam isn't dumbed down for you if you fail it the first time, or any other time. You have to take that exam again with everyone else. So bravo, Jimmy. You passed the Bar Exam that every single attorney needs to pass to show a sufficient level of legal competence.
…with no internships, no study groups, no professors office hours, no tutoring from Chuck like Howard had. The only door that was opened for Jimmy was the door to HHM’s law library, and Chuck still accused him of taking “shortcuts” to get his law degree. Chuck couldn’t leave his house because he was so triggered by the idea of Jimmy being successful, and Jimmy still went broke taking care of him every day. That’s the difference between the McGill brothers.
Chuck: You are not a real lawyer and I worked my ass off to get there. Jimmy: Full time work and took online course at night and spare time for two years. Still loving his brother so much. Damn Chuck’s ego on loving law just destroyed the family.
I love how they managed to create a dynamic where both sides are in the wrong. It was a genius decision to make Saul into a far more sympathetic character; he was a teen reprobate who tried his absolute best to make it the honest way and eventually was so beaten down by trying to make it in the same way as his brother that eventually he turned to what he was naturally good at. And they mirrored it with Mike being tempted back into the game too. Chuck is right in many ways, but he is motivated by a desire to see himself as superior to Jimmy, who despite being a waste of space in his early years, is a far more likeable and genuine person than Chuck could ever hope to be. That's why he claims to be the only one who really 'knows' Jimmy, to try and dismiss everyone else's affection for him as misguided
The sad part is Chuck could have taken Jimmy under his wing at HHM and guided him towards something good as a lawyer, he probably would always be a little unscrupulous but he probably wouldn't have become Saul Goodman.
@@lordfrostwind3151 I feel that's a bit debatable. Jimmy always was pulling some kind of angle to try and get ahead. But as we see in Season 2, Jimmy was given the option to "play it straight" and be a respectable lawyer with David & Main. But in the end he sabotages it intentionally because he can't be the kind of lawyer who works at a firm and plays it straight. He needs to do things "his" way. However, I can see the argument that if Chuck had been a better brother and mentor and had been there for Jimmy then maybe things wouldn't have gone off the rails. The problem is that Jimmy was always doing a hustle as a lawyer. Though, as we see in Season 5, Howard wants to hire Jimmy at HHM after all those years wasted. And that's knowing Jimmy is "unscrupulous" as mentioned. So who knows how things might have played out.
@@Renagade2332 Jimmy messed things up by himself, but had he not realized that his brother had been working against him for years and actually had him and Kim on his side working in the same firm, it could've been a completely different situation
He shows the definite signs of a classic bitter introvert to an extrovert. His brother is naturally amazing with people and has great chemistry with literally anyone he meets. Chuck doesn’t have that natural charisma and ability so he poured himself into law. He had to view his brother as a lesser being. If he didn’t, he would have to accept all of the things his brother has, that he does not. He used all of his brothers quirks and cons to rationalize that his brother wasn’t perfect and he was. So when he finds out that his brother is not only naturally great at the things he sucks at. He is also naturally great at the things that chuck is as well. And chuck felt threatened. If he allowed Jimmy to be made partner and to make him a legal equal. He would have to accept that his brother is not a lesser being. And that would completely destroy his own identity of himself I, myself, am a natural introvert. And I have a younger brother, like Jimmy, who is amazing with people. When I was in high school I watched my brother be popular and social and all the things I wanted to be. And I hated him for it. But I have grown past that bitterness and have come to realize that it was my own issues, not my brother, that prevented me from being what I wanted to be. Now, even though we live in different states, we try to talk on the phone with each other everyday. He’s become one of my best friends and favorite people. And that’s because I have done my best to see past through my own issues. I see a lot of myself in Chuck, and I understand a lot of the things he did. Still don’t agree with what he did. He truly screwed up his brothers life and is one of the main causes of the person Jimmy becomes. And the thing that pisses me off, is the fact he refuses to accept his own responsibility.
I don't think it was just Introvert v Extrovert. This is deeper than that. Chuck was a perfectionist yet there are times that despite his best effort, he just didn't get what he wants. In a way this is where the brothers are similar. In the 4th season finale, the "Winner takes it all" alludes to both of them. Chuck uses his genius and influence to get what he wants while Jimmy uses underhanded tactics. The author made Chuck "introverted" to make him easy to symphatise with, especially with his mental condition. But, I think he is just as "bad" as Jimmy can be or even worse, it's just that his "evil" is more contained while Jimmy cannot help himself. In the first season, Chuck manipulated Jimmy in surrendering the Sandpiper case to HMM, the supposed bread and butter of Jimmy's career, disguised as "concern" towards Jimmy. He even tried to sabotage it by acting all stupid during their meetup with schweikart. He again showed his manipulative side during the Mesa Verde retainership which lead to Jimmy's actions. Then he blames him inside the court, his "home court" perse, no pun intended, how precious Jimmy is. But, in truth those childhood or years of Jimmy's life were just little years of his life and after his divorce with his wife, all he sees with everyone becoming happier than him are guilty one way or another. It's not just Jimmy who is his enemy, it includes Kim, the neighbor, the lineman, the insurance company and even Hamlin. He is a greedy man like Jimmy but then again, he is a bigger man than Jimmy and if his greed cannot be satiated then he might implode or transform to something worse which he did.
JustChizzin Oh absolutely, why do you think the dude is in so much denial. This is a guy who has defined himself on his Jesus like morality. He spent his entire life considering himself a master of ethics. And then his brother comes along, someone who he considers to be one of the worst of society, and shows that he is capable of reaching the same position as himself. That he has the capabability of becoming a partner in a firm he spent his entire life building. And he snapped and did some pretty shitty immoral things. If he accepts that what he did was morally wrong, he would have to accept that he isn’t as good as he convinced himself that he is. And that would completely destroy the way he views himself. After the trial, a hell of a lot of people got to see Chuck as who he really was, and it drove him over the edge. Public perception is super important to him, and that trial did quite a number on that. Killing himself probably felt like the only way to truly escape from this hell he felt he was in
That’s an incredibly surface-level explanation. Just because you’re just jealous of your extrovert brother, doesn’t mean that chuck was with Jimmy. That’s putting introverts in an awful light as well, and chuck definitely seems more extroverted to begin with. He would literally have no reason whatsoever to be jealous of jimmy. It’s the other way around, clearly. He may of been jealous of Jimmy’s natural talent, but it doesn’t come down to extroversion vs introversion.
“Environmental impact and sustainability assurance act” The same act that Skylar used in Breaking Bad to get Mr.Eyebrows to sell the car wash Neat detail!
There is a moment right after this where Jimmy asks if his brother is proud of him, and the pause and hesitation of what should be an immediate and clear answer is amazing writing and acting when you know the whole story.
All kidding aside, Chuck was a partner at a pretty successful law firm and was basically THE rock star lawyer of that firm. So basically, even if you wanted Chuck as your lawyer you probably wouldn't afford his retainer.
@@TovenDo.O.Video- yeah but 10 years have passed from when Jimmy was a scumbag He even has taken care of Chuck for a lot of time too. And the fucking asshole keeps wanting him down. There's no reason to hate Jimmy anymore. He changed and he knows that. And he hates that also just as much as he hates Jimmy
Small but interesting detail: the face Chuck flashes at 0:36 is very reminiscent of his discomfort face when he experiences his hypersensitivity to electricity. like jimmy was somehow the cause of it all.
Jimmy WAS the cause of it all. Chuck felt he had lost control of his life and it manifested into a psychosomatic illness because he was too stubborn to admit how he really felt, even to all the closest to him. A control freak like Walt.
an older sibling is very psychologicaly close to a parent for younger siblings. Just like you want to make your dad proud, you also want to make your older brother proud. and you always look for this approval or disproval on you.
I think everyone can relate to that feeling when you are really excited about something and you share that with someone and they shut you down and kill your excitement. Horrible.
Poor Jimmy never saw his brother for what he truly was, a small petty man. And even when he did, he still loved him and chuck still made him pay for it.
The truly tragic thing is that at this point in the story, Jimmy really had changed. He had done everything Chuck asked him to do: he cut all ties with his old "Slippin' Jimmy" life and associates, moved to Albuquerque, took a job in the mailroom at HHM, and completely stayed out of trouble. He had been living an honest, law-abiding life for years while also obtaining a law degree through the limited options available to him. No fraud, no cheating, no scams. He followed the rules, put in the work, took the classes, studied the books, passed the exams, and made himself a lawyer. Jimmy had proved his commitment to becoming a better man. But Chuck never really wanted him to become a better man, he just wanted to keep him under his thumb forever. If Chuck had just hired Jimmy as a junior associate (or at the very least recommended him to another firm) Jimmy might have spent the rest of his life as an honest, straight-laced attorney. Instead Chuck actively sabotaged Jimmy's career prospects at every turn, which drove Jimmy out into the sketchy fringes of the legal profession where con artistry thrives. Saul Goodman was born because Chuck refused to let James McGill, Esquire exist.
Exactly. That goes for any of these cretins that started popping up saying that "Cuck wUz Rite" about Jimmy. I swear to god even a brainless goldfish pays more attention to things than these nitwits.
Chuck did not "sabotage Jimmy's career at every turn". He denied him from working at HHM, understandably so. Afterwards he allowed Jimmy to do whatever he wanted, including entering a respected firm like Davis & Maine. It was only when Jimmy broke the law and sabotaged Chuck's work life that Chuck wanted to take Jimmy's law license away. Something that he absolutely deserved to have happen. Chuck loved Jimmy, but he didn't trust him to be a lawyer. Would Jimmy have become as bad as he was if Chuck had supported him? Maybe, maybe not. But the fact remains that Jimmy reverted back into his slippin ways even before he knew about Chuck's dishonesty.
@@princesstinklepanties2720 i had to retake it but I passed this time around. I had to work a job and do it at the same time this time around. Juggling both is INSANE. It takes almost 40 hours per week in studying
The type of resilience you need in order to have a full time job, study at night for YEARS, fail an extremely hard exam not once, but twice, and keep coming back for more...is staggering.
This scene hits me like a ton of bricks. I've been a screwup my whole life, but the past 5 years I've really turned it around. I went back to school, got my degree, and currently pursuing a career doing what I love. I've worked my butt off to turn my life around and I've finally found success and stability... and there have been multiple people who I thought were in my corner react with nothing but thinly-veiled disgust and jealousy. I remember a couple friends I had finding out about something special I had accomplished career-wise, and their reactions were basically note-for-note how Chuck reacted to Jimmy passing the bar here. These people weren't happy for me at all. Most of your "friends" and "loved ones" don't actually want what's best for you. They want you to remain the same loser you always have been so they can feel better about themselves. When you no longer fit that role, they no longer have any need for you. It sucks, but the only thing you can really do is cut them out of your life and move on. That's what I did.
Your friends sound like my b*tch of an ex. I invited her to celebrate when I got promoted but she threw a tantrum instead and got bitter about my promotion. Turns out she was competing with me in career success, I didn't even know it.
bruh that's so true. once people see you a certain way, as a "screw up" or a "goofball", they can't ever unsee that version of you that exists in their mind. they wanna keep you down because the idea that people like us could get our shit together fills them with envy. We lived such an easy carefree life compared to them, they had to work hard to get to where they are. How dare we act like their peer. That's their mindset.
Just bought my brother and myself a couple of those 'University of American Samoa Law School Land Crabs' t-shirts. TOO funny. I love the little crab that's holding up the Scales of Justice in his claw. That's epic. GO LAND CRABS!
I can't quite decide whether he's so disappointed because he thinks Jimmy will defile the law, or because Chuck is no longer able to contain Jimmy and act like his superior. It's easy to be brotherly when you're the big shot lawyer and your kid brother is stuck in the mail room.
0:17 I cannot believe the camerawork in this series, the change in stage and the tables turnings for Chuck by simply panning to Jimmy’s favor (and making him look bigger in presence) is just genius!
It's amazing how this scene looks right out of the era it was set in, if somebody who hadn't seen the show saw this they'd probably assume this is an incredibly well done scene from a 20 year old show.
I never noticed it in my first or second watching of the show... but that little "snort" Chuck gives right after reading the letter is DEVASTATING. More than any subsequent dialogue.
This scene really hammers home Chuck's stubbornness once you know what's going through his head here. To literally anyone else, Jimmy coming in with his letter and talking about all the legit work he did to get through law school would have been proof that he was serious about turning his life around. No short cuts. No cons. Just his own money, time, and work. - But to Chuck, he's just seeing Slippin' Jimmy bringing his worst nightmare to life
It's so infuriating later when Chuck says "I WORKED MY ASS OFF FOR THIS". Buddy, nobody is saying you didn't, but this dude got his education while working a job and passed the bar damn near on his own. He worked harder than Chuck did. Then again, that's the point. He is an easy character to hate.
Chuck was just plain jealous of Jim's natural flair and talent. Why else would he have cared if Jim passed the bar without having ever attended college - let alone community college? Passing the Bar alone means he's qualified to be a lawyer.
I wouldn't call it jealousy. Jimmy has an audacity to him that just gets under Chucks skin. "If Kim can do it, maybe I can do it too." - Yeah, Kim is a prodigy and he just compares himself to her while working in the Mailroom. "Its like losing your virginity." - Compairing practicing the law to Sex, real classy. He even interrupted him while he was dictacing some really long and complicadet shit into his recorder. I'm not saying Jimmy deserved this treatment by Chuck, far from it, Chuck was a complete asshole, but Jimmy never quite managed to get his sensibilities. I guess, he just trusted his own brother too much.
@@TheSorrel to everyone who defend chuck you missed the whole point, jimmy in his true heart want to became like chuck (if not he will not study law that spend lot money and time). but chuck see him as attention grabber that make his wife laugh, his parent in joy, his collagues happy etc, which chuck cannot. sure jimmy use many trick like invite his friends to birthday party and making mess, his way of speak that make his parent and his wife more liking jimmy than chuck. the point is it isn't jimmy con that make him caring about his brother, but jimmy as likeable person more than chuck that make him resentful towards jimmy. if you really believe chuck truly caring and want jimmy became better then you are fallen into chuck mindgame
@@10klikeanonimbalikwxc14 They do both love each other, Chucks jealous of Jimmy because despite him being a fuck up people always prefer him, even his own mother seemed to prefer Jimmy to Chuck. It's a VERY complicated relationship, But Chuck does seem to love his brother despite everything. They do love each other and that's what makes the entire relationship so tragic.
@@TheodoreBotman from what we see, jimmy really love chuck and showing it with his action, but chuck definitely have love for jimmy as can be seen when he told jimmy actually never mattered to him, after jimmy leave then chuck show regret in his face. that's the real differences between jimmy and chuck, jimmy loving chuck and showing it directly to him by apologizing face to face. while chuck only have love buried in his heart deep down by his ego and never ever show his true love to jimmy
Honestly in Breaking Bad I think showing us his law degree from that school was supposed to make us think how dodgy he is for not going to a 'good' school and it rubbed me the wrong way because its just snobbery thinking you're better than people who went to schools that aren't Harvard or whatever, but I think Better Call Saul did it justice.
It breaks my heart when he say, all enthusiastic "are you proud of me?"... I can cry a river over that single dialog, because we know Chuck despites him... It's just heartbreaking.
Michael McKean got jobbed for a Emmy consideration, and Rhea Seehorn has been too. This is the best written, most well acted show on tv since, well Breaking Bad.
"I'm proud of you jimmy"
*and thus, slippin jimmy was no more, and everyone lived happily ever after*
except for some weirdo high school chemistry teacher who got caught making meth practically as soon as he got started.
@@michaelspence2508 yeah that guy was weird, like seriously his brother in law is in the freaking DEA and he's just like "time to make meth" just goes to show how stupid criminals can be sometimes
Yeah and giving his product to some fat kid to distribute in broad daylight? What was he thinking?
Sigh if only that was the ending, in another timeline
Jimmy would have still had his own way of doing his job that Chuck would not have liked but it would not have been so downhill.
Used to chuckle at the thought that Jimmy got his law degree through an online course but now here I am studying law online.
Same University as Jimmy ;) Go Samoa. Good luck with your studies.
go land crabs
me too
Good luck!
@@notsureiL you go! Full support you sexy!
It's crazy how even at jimmy's best moment, he's so excited to show his brother, and all chuck can say is "Is this a joke?!"
I operated equipment my entire life, in the Teamsters and Operating Engineers. My IBEW brother who I hadnt talked to but once in 30 years tells me, "You're no operating engineer..."
@@id10t98 harsh
Giving his brother a job after bankrupting his parents by stealing is already a lot.
@@DynV Yeah to feel superior to him by giving him a low end job, and then continuing that dynamic for years when Jimmy was taking care of Chuck while dealing with his illness. Even to go as far as making Howard take complete blame in not hiring Jimmy as a lawyer, because Chuck didn't have the balls to talk to Jimmy straight-up on why he didn't approve his choice
@@dr.aisaitl7439 Did you miss the "bankrupting his parents by stealing" part? I think > 99% of people wouldn't help in any way after that.
I love how Michael McKean described Chuck's relationship with Jimmy in an interview: "Chuck made his mom proud, but Jimmy made her laugh." Perfectly captures why Chuck is so hostile to the idea that Jimmy could pass the BAR, because what makes Chuck special now?
Damn that is a very good point.. hes in denial that jimmy is also smart and serious if he wants to be
He always knew Jimmy was an intelligent yet juvenile danger to everyone around him, and was appropriately horrified at him having legal power as we’ve come to see.
@@MrSoopSA that just describes what chuck said. "Slippin Jimmy with a law degree is like a chimp with a machine gun".
@@MrSoopSA But at this point he had gone straight edge, and Chuck could have facilitated the way Jimmy operated in a moral manner under his firm’s guidance. Chuck was right but only because his actions made it so.
Reminds me of what UK's King George VI said of his two daughters "Elizabeth is my pride, but Margaret is my joy."
Jimmy working a FULL TIME JOB, taking law classes at night, in his spare time... because he wants to be a lawyer so badly. And chuck still shits on him and says he's not a "real" lawyer. The arrogance!!!
Saddest bit is, he wanted to be a lawyer because he thought his brother would be proud of him :(
and Kim, at least she was proud of him :'
@@glanni I love this show. You can't quit thinking about it during the week! There's so many questions and plot points you can expand on! Anyway, yea, you can easily see how Jimmy --> Saul. He tried doing it the "right" way and was met with nothing but disdain and condescension.
It was an online course!
No need to copy paste the top comment...
*Yo stole the comment*
I love how humble Jimmy is while being smuggly scoffed at.
i agree james mcgill is a great lawyer maybe even better than chuck but chuck is jealous of jimmy
He is used to it and i think accepted some criticism of him, because he knows he is flawed. But those things made Jimmy likeable and the behavior of Chuck so much like a betrayel. It perfectly shows their relationship - at least until the point Jimmy took over and destroyed Chuck for good. He did what Cuck failed to do to him.
No, all Chuck's subtle mockery went over his head.
@@PRubin-rh4sr because he thought it was just friendly banter between two brothers.
@@TonioTonius And because Chuck has treated him like this probably his entire life.
1:00 “ they call it distance learning” Jimmy was ahead of the curve
Aaron Liranzo
Online classes due to corona😂😂
Now time to flatten it
Lol Exactly
Came here for this comment
as m'ma always is
The fact that chuck was so "proud" of Jimmy working in the mailroom but disappointed in him becoming a lawyer showed how much he didn't actually want success from him. He wanted that mailroom job to be a constant reminder to jimmy of " if it was not for me, you would still be in jail". Since Jimmy getting the law degree on his own meant Chuck could not lord over him.
Can you still pass a bar exam through an online course today? Or is this just fiction?
I don't know if he is "disappointed" so much as he is shocked, horrified, and in fear of what this could mean given Jimmy's past and what him being a lawyer could be like. He views it as an insult to the law.
He wanted Jimmy under him as his little brother. He also wanted to keep the prestige and class associated with law; that which Jimmy dissociates with
@@Onmysheet
Online courses just mean you aren't physically in a lecture theatre. Anyone can get an education these days if they work hard enough.
@@Onmysheet bar exam was in person, in abq. This is what matters, not the medium of getting knowledge. Btw "People" want in-person things to create middleperson jobs, not necesarily the good of the students, workers, anyone really. All that time and money and efficienct that is wasted so that middlemen "managers" and their entourage can have some bread to eat, covid really has showed it for what it is.
0:29 LMAO I’m just used by now to hearing “What a sick joke!” after that then a few seconds later, Chuck hitting his head on the table.
Chuck is more meme now than man...
but wasn't Jimmy doing schemes before he even knew about Chuck not hiring him? The billboard, the first episode with the Twins... Chuck found the newspaper about Jimmy's billboard scheme, I mean, it only served to prove Chuck's continued belief Jimmy is still stuck in his ways...
@@JellyBea420 You can make the argument that the whole american justice system is just 'schemes'. Chuck just has a fancier suit and an office with a view.
😂😂😂😂😂same bro
He defecated through a sunroof!
This is what always got me about Chuck claiming that Jimmy isn't a real lawyer. Speaking as someone who took and failed it twice, there is NO WAY that a person can pass the exam without demonstrating a significant degree of capability as a lawyer. It really is proof that you can do the job.
On the other hand, it is entirely possible to graduate from law school- even a prestigious law school- and forgot absolutely everything you've learned in a handful of months.
Jimmy proved himself. He really did. And what was Chuck's response to what, by all rights, should have been the proudest moment of Jimmy's life? A campaign of sabotage, to keep the little brat in his place.
Saul Goodman is nothing more nor less than what Chuck McGill made of him.
Nah you've oversimplified what is meant to be a morally complex tale. Jimmy did all kinds of bad things to gain an advantage, including making an old woman cry because her friends hating her. He also did plenty of bad things just for shits and giggles.
@@RealityCheck6T9 that was after Chuck rejected him at HHM and denounced him as a real lawyer.
“When you straightened and got a job at the mailroom, I was very proud.”
This implies that Jimmy did change but his elitist brother was too arrogant to judge him by his past.
He started cutting corners again because he didn’t have any support from his own brother who didn’t hire him.
@@beatlecristian - Jimmy really could never handle doing things the "boring" way that everyone else does them. This is what gets him into trouble, ultimately. Doesn't matter if he is Slippin' Jimmy, James McGill, Esq., or Saul Goodman, he is always the same guy deep down, and he knows it.
@@MkeKen67 not true.
He spent 10 years at HHM working in the mailroom and also studying to pass the bar which I’ve heard is insanely difficult, there is no cutting corners there, you either pass it or you don’t get your law license.
What is it with people being so quick to judge someone by their past while not looking at the log in their own eye.
@@beatlecristian - So, why does he decide to throw ethics out the window once he's been an attorney for just a few years? I mean, he put in all that work to be able to practice law, and then he starts doing things that he knows will jeopardize his law license. He does put in a lot of work on some of his schemes, like getting Mesa Verde back to Kim, but it really was not his place to just decide to "give" it to her. This is not how a reputable attorney operates. It seemed like he just couldn't help backsliding into his old ways.
Don't get me wrong, I love the show, and one of my law professors thought it was pretty awesome, too (and he taught my ethics class). One thing I have to credit Jimmy on, he (grudgingly) admitted that the Sand Piper class action case was too big for him and Chuck to work on by themselves. And he did quite a bit to help Chuck with the whole electromagnetic field allergy thing, and I was pissed at Chuck for not showing Jimmy more gratitude for all he did for him. Okay, now I'm just rambling.
"What a sick joke!" **hits head on table**
*(scoffs) "Is this a joke?"*
That little line McKean delivers is so potent. You can feel the hostility inside of Chuck at that moment when he comes to the realization that Jimmy passed the bar exam (before even Jimmy confirms to him that he did). The rest is pure Hater-ade.
I don't think it's hostility.
I think he's so used to expecting Slippin' Jimmy that he thought it was an elaborate joke by Jimmy and was still trying to term that a prank was the best possible answer.
Look at Chuck's face as the scene goes on, he's still entertaining Jimmy, but when Jimmy said University of Samoa, Chuck seems to know what it is, but he doesn't see it as a prestigious school. So, he starts accepting him as a lawyer BUT only a lawyer by technicality in some unknown school. He was still way below Chuck and he probably hoped that Jimmy would just go on to fail at this, or, knowing Jimmy, he'll keep at this but never get anywhere.
Note that a lot of this is still just interpretation based on mannerisms, on my end. But yes, I don't think Chuck was always quick to hate on Jimmy, he hates him for sure, but only when given absolute power that Chuck thinks he'll mishandle.
Kwaj hater-ade. Dude that's my new line.
Bro?! Have you been drinking hater-ade or something?
All Chuck had to say, the only thing he had to day was: You really did this? And then give his brother a smile. He should have celebrated Jimmy passing the bar exam. Instead all he could do is treat his brother with contempt.
The thing is that Chuck doesn't want Jimmy to change. Because that would mean Chuck might have to treat him with respect. Chuck is horrified by the idea that Jimmy might want to be treated as a peer or equal. He simply cannot allow that. Better Call Saul is about choices, and Chuck made a terrible choice for the sake of his own ego.
@@pittland44 idk, the most recent episode has shown that some people simply doesn't change, or they end up in the situation one way or another.
I mean what's stopping Jimmy from being a good lawyer after Chuck died? If you let one bad influence shape your life moving forward then that's just you looking for excuses to blame.
The latest episode, Howard has been good to him and even offered him a job to be a lawyer at a good firm. Instead he takes this as offense, continues with being a "criminal" lawyer, buys bowling balls and destroys Howard's car. How is Chuck to blame for this? The same reason you can't blame the Schwartz for every wrong thing in Walter's life, Jimmy would've ended up as Saul even if Chuck wasn't there.
And that's the beautiful thing about this. Chuck was a horrible person, who was actually right. Jimmy with a law degree is like a chimp with a machinegun.
@@SteelBallRun1890 Chuck was only right because he provoked everything. Jimmy was a guy with great morals who didn't care much about the law when it felt it was unfair, so he was willing to bend it to help people in need (like Kim who deserved Mesa Verde for example), while Chuck dutifully respected the law but only to serve his burning hatred and selfish desires, Chuck wants Jimmy to be his slave and nothing else, and he will destroy anyone who gets close to him and might give him importance, be it Ernesto or Kim.
Chuck is also a coward who lets Howard take the blame for his action.
Chuck ensured that every time Jimmy did anything right, he would be punished for it, without Chuck's hatred, at worst Jimmy would have been a little con-artist who didn't do real harm to anyone. If you beat up a kid every day for years, you can't say "I've always told you he was violent" the day he does the right thing and puts a bullet in your skull.
0:57 that little laugh by Chuck says so much about him. Its an easy thing to miss on first watch, and you assume its because Chuck is impressed with Jimmy`s grit. But, rewatching it after their big argument, its pretty clear Chuck was just laughing derisively about Jimmy getting his law degree from the 'University of American Samoa'. Such a snob, so petty, so jealous, so defensive and so insecure. Its easy to hate Chuck, but he`s utterly real and well-drawn as a character.
Yeah, you never know what he is thinking.
And Jimmy wears it like a medal. He is always rocking an American Samoa jersey. He is genuinely proud of what he got for his hours of study and rightfully so.
That laugh was for the joke
Pretty sad that before Jimmy showed him the letter was the proudest Chuck ever was of him.
Chuck needed to put some respect on the Land Crabs' name 😆
How about that, Chuck was talking into a tape recorder. I guess he likes to use those things for more than dictation.
FYI any litigator worth his salt will use a tape recorder. Esp with smartphones nowadays, it's even easier.
Pierre C He used the same recorder to set up Jimmy. That's what I meant by my comment.
@Mister Guy I can't imagine that this is a USB-capable recording device. Vince Gilligan confirms that Better Call Saul is set in 2002 -- and by the time we see him he's already been practicing for some time, more than a year at least -- when Ernesto is hired on, Howard says to Saul "You've been doing all this for more than a year?" -- so it's been probably two or three years since Jimmy passed the bar and this scene, meaning this is '99 or so. No way that anyone outside of a professional recording studio had USB microphones already.
All Lawyer do same, you can clearly see that isn’t the same recorder. When chuck record Jimmy it looks like a light Gray CD player with a Tape, this has a Mic and looks from the 90s
He's dictating what he wants typed up or done by his legal assistant.
I love how Jimmy says, the bar exam was a mother, “for me at least” implying that Jimmy thought his brother was so smart and knowledge of the law that he could pass the bar easily
Watching this again I can see Chuck's laughs and scoffs, along with looks of disbelief... When before I saw a surprised brother.
"Is this a joke?"
That short sentence right there says everything about Chuck.
What a sick joke!
@@omegamanGXE*bang*
Its like losing your virginity, 3rd times the charm. Good ol Saul.
never bad to be early, except for death, taxes and...some other things
5 years, 1.4k likes, and only 2 replies lol
@@grod5998 make it three pal
@@grod5998 Make it four, Internet fellow
So I wonder how many times Saul has tried so far?
I can only imagine how heart broken Jimmy was when he found out what his brother thought of him. He tried VERY hard to change, and he did, and he lived up to his brother's "expectations". Well, turns out Chuck never expected his brother to be good, Chuck hates his brother and wanted his brother to stay in that mail room forever.
This show is so deep in hindsight. And this show was just like taking a part of someone's life onto the TV. 11/10 for Better Call Saul!
Lived up to his brother's expectations? No, he surpassed them and that was the problem Chuck had. He was too small-minded and couldn't imagine Jimmy ever becoming more than "Slippin' Jimmy". He couldn't conceive of "James McGill, Lawyer" and this made him angry and scared just like any other ignorant bigot would become.
I strongly disagree. Chuck does not 'Hate" Jimmy. Rather he doesn't think Jimmy is capable of achieving anything worthwhile.
I think he just wanted Jimmy to know the struggle that he went through, hell, Kim worked her way up from the mail room. But to constantly see Jimmy trying to take the way, it made him angry. I mean, look at what Jimmy did in Breaking Bad.
Also, I'd like to add, Jimmy made a small cameo in Breaking Bad, when he realized that Jesse was in love...watch it, you'll see him. ;) I think that was pure brilliance.
Same with the flashback scene with Chuck's ex wife. Jimmy's telling funny jokes around the table then Chuck tries it later but she doesn't find his joke funny. That pissed him off too, knowing a fact that Jimmy is better at something than him.
The most interesting thing is that Chuck turned out to be right about jimmy . The thought of Slippin jimmy as a lawyer terrified him . It was kind of a self fulfilling prophecy
0:35 Chuck's face briefly flashes dismay, even anger, but he quickly suppresses it. Great acting.
and the face realizing what Jimmy will ask for at the firm. McKean is fantastic
@The One Who Knocks nice catch!
Putting everything about the show aside just watching Michael's acting was a great experience
"Go Land Crabs!" Hahahahaha!
They’ll never break our shells!
GO LAND CRABS! KICK ASS!
Hey you don't talk like that. Who taught you to talk like that?
You did!
Those Pacific Island crabs are no joke. There really are crabs like Tamatoa in the South Pacfic, ones the size of a small dog.
The way Chuck says "Y-you passed the bar?!" is extremely funny lmao his voice cracked
And he gets to lose his virginity? What a sick joke!
Jimmy's body language is so spot on . His tone and speech are full of banter and energy but his body language is just full of anxiety, desperate for his brother's approval.
This is one of the saddest scenes in the whole show. The fact that Jimmy passed the bar while working full time and fully lived up to all his brothers “expectations” in the most hard-working, American dream way only to be manipulated by his brother to stay beneath him is just heart breaking.
Imagine how good Jimmys life could have been if he had a brother with a morsel of compassion.
Seriously. At this point in the story, Jimmy really had changed. He'd done everything Chuck asked him to do: he abandoned the "Slippin Jimmy" lifestyle, cut all ties with his old associates, moved to Albuquerque, took a job in the HHM mailroom, and completely stayed out of trouble for years. And on top of that, he earned himself a law degree in his spare time through sheer initiative and hard work. Yeah, he took classes at an online school but he still followed all the rules, put in the work, studied the law, and passed the exams. But Chuck couldn't accept the fact that his little brother had actually bettered himself, so he actively sabotaged Jimmy's career before it even began, and then lied by blaming it on his law partners. What a piece of shit.
@@drrockkso8882 honestly i know the online school part doesn't look prestigious but anyone that's actually took online classes in real life knows they can be even more difficult because you have to motivate yourself (just you, no professors or classmates) to get your assignments done
@@drrockkso8882 grr but Jimmy wnet back slipping at the start of bcs, Chuckles was right all along 🤡🤡🤡
@@smtandearthboundsuck8400 yeah no he wasn’t dumb little clown he only became that way again because of chuck so chuck was wrong all the time because if chuck had been more supportive he would have never gone back to being slippin Jimmy.
@@smtandearthboundsuck8400Chuck literally caused the whole thing. He blocked his going straight path and turned him back to being Slippin Jimmy and then to an Eben worse situation with Saul Goodman.
To think, if only Chuck had sincerely been on his side for once, all the hurt and misery they could've avoided.
Chuck's reaction at 0:35 is a huge throwaway to *that* scene later on in the season. Even then, I didn't see it coming.
Douglas Huber which tells us a lot about the actor's skill.
yes, you`re right!
Same here. But seeing it a second time around, you totally pick up that vibe.
Yeah I kinda sensed something but didn't think anything of it. But after I saw Chuck's true feelings and watched this scene again, it was painful.
It seems so obvious now doesn't it. Weird how something can seem so obvious later but you don't pick it up at the time.
WHAT A SICK JOKE!!
*slams head on table
This is one of those scenes where you see it completely different way the second time. At first I thought Chuck was shocked, but nevertheless proud of Jimmy, the second time I realised that Chuck is really terrified from what Jimmy just brought to him.
@Mister Guy - Don't know if you knew about Chuck's hatred of Jimmy beforehand, but without any pre-knowledge I had no idea he though that way. Sure it was clear that he didn't think of Jimmy as an equal, but I had no idea that he despised the idea of Jimmy as a lawyer.
So far we had only seen him giving some advice to Jimmy, while of course assuring him that it's only a matter of time before Jimmy's hard work pays off. Yes, there was clues to his real thoughts, but they were the kind that you can interpret as Chuck only being concerned that Jimmy's going back to his old ways.
Like giving a chimpanzee a machine...?
And he was right to be terrified.
Just shows how much of a prick Chuck is. He only ever cared about himself and if Chuck was more supportive Saul Goodman probably wouldn't even exist.
Jimmy's so humble in this scene. From, "It's not Georgetown or anything," where Chuck went to, "the bar exam's a mother -- for me [at least]," acknowledging how how he was inspired by the two most important people to him, his big bro and Kim. I mean, yeah, Jimmy-as-Saul went nuclear and got Chuck's insurance canceled, but after all Chuck did to hurt his brother and the lack of *honest* communication, I don't think there's anything that could have hurt Jimmy more than telling him he just never mattered that much to him. I forgot how sweet Jimmy was.
The only thing that matters is that he passed the bar exam. Everyone, regardless of colleges, community colleges or family wealth, have to take the same exam and pass it. And so, regardless that Jimmy went to crappy schools. He passed the exact same exam that every Harvard Law graduate has to pass. They're in the same club. The bar exam isn't dumbed down for you if you fail it the first time, or any other time. You have to take that exam again with everyone else.
So bravo, Jimmy. You passed the Bar Exam that every single attorney needs to pass to show a sufficient level of legal competence.
…with no internships, no study groups, no professors office hours, no tutoring from Chuck like Howard had.
The only door that was opened for Jimmy was the door to HHM’s law library, and Chuck still accused him of taking “shortcuts” to get his law degree. Chuck couldn’t leave his house because he was so triggered by the idea of Jimmy being successful, and Jimmy still went broke taking care of him every day. That’s the difference between the McGill brothers.
What a sick joke! He worked his ass off!
"It's like losing your virginity, third time's the charm."
That sounds like something Saul would say.
Well, he “thought if Kim could [lose] it, so could he!”
@@thunderbirdizations lmao
@@thunderbirdizations saul got sloppy seconds
The most intereting thing in this scene is Chuck's reaction and you cut it off.
Yeah what a fucking terrible time to end the video... that guy is a moron
Chuck: You are not a real lawyer and I worked my ass off to get there.
Jimmy: Full time work and took online course at night and spare time for two years. Still loving his brother so much.
Damn Chuck’s ego on loving law just destroyed the family.
I love how they managed to create a dynamic where both sides are in the wrong. It was a genius decision to make Saul into a far more sympathetic character; he was a teen reprobate who tried his absolute best to make it the honest way and eventually was so beaten down by trying to make it in the same way as his brother that eventually he turned to what he was naturally good at. And they mirrored it with Mike being tempted back into the game too. Chuck is right in many ways, but he is motivated by a desire to see himself as superior to Jimmy, who despite being a waste of space in his early years, is a far more likeable and genuine person than Chuck could ever hope to be. That's why he claims to be the only one who really 'knows' Jimmy, to try and dismiss everyone else's affection for him as misguided
The sad part is Chuck could have taken Jimmy under his wing at HHM and guided him towards something good as a lawyer, he probably would always be a little unscrupulous but he probably wouldn't have become Saul Goodman.
@@SaneetBonde-kn2ye That makes up most of my social circle if you don't mind
@temmychan insightful comment, especially the last part
@@lordfrostwind3151 I feel that's a bit debatable. Jimmy always was pulling some kind of angle to try and get ahead. But as we see in Season 2, Jimmy was given the option to "play it straight" and be a respectable lawyer with David & Main. But in the end he sabotages it intentionally because he can't be the kind of lawyer who works at a firm and plays it straight. He needs to do things "his" way.
However, I can see the argument that if Chuck had been a better brother and mentor and had been there for Jimmy then maybe things wouldn't have gone off the rails. The problem is that Jimmy was always doing a hustle as a lawyer.
Though, as we see in Season 5, Howard wants to hire Jimmy at HHM after all those years wasted. And that's knowing Jimmy is "unscrupulous" as mentioned. So who knows how things might have played out.
@@Renagade2332 Jimmy messed things up by himself, but had he not realized that his brother had been working against him for years and actually had him and Kim on his side working in the same firm, it could've been a completely different situation
Chuck on the outside: 😃
Chuck on the inside: 😰
What a sick joke i love my brother
He defacted through a sunroof!
He shows the definite signs of a classic bitter introvert to an extrovert. His brother is naturally amazing with people and has great chemistry with literally anyone he meets. Chuck doesn’t have that natural charisma and ability so he poured himself into law.
He had to view his brother as a lesser being. If he didn’t, he would have to accept all of the things his brother has, that he does not. He used all of his brothers quirks and cons to rationalize that his brother wasn’t perfect and he was. So when he finds out that his brother is not only naturally great at the things he sucks at. He is also naturally great at the things that chuck is as well. And chuck felt threatened. If he allowed Jimmy to be made partner and to make him a legal equal. He would have to accept that his brother is not a lesser being. And that would completely destroy his own identity of himself
I, myself, am a natural introvert. And I have a younger brother, like Jimmy, who is amazing with people. When I was in high school I watched my brother be popular and social and all the things I wanted to be. And I hated him for it. But I have grown past that bitterness and have come to realize that it was my own issues, not my brother, that prevented me from being what I wanted to be. Now, even though we live in different states, we try to talk on the phone with each other everyday. He’s become one of my best friends and favorite people. And that’s because I have done my best to see past through my own issues.
I see a lot of myself in Chuck, and I understand a lot of the things he did. Still don’t agree with what he did. He truly screwed up his brothers life and is one of the main causes of the person Jimmy becomes. And the thing that pisses me off, is the fact he refuses to accept his own responsibility.
I don't think it was just Introvert v Extrovert. This is deeper than that. Chuck was a perfectionist yet there are times that despite his best effort, he just didn't get what he wants. In a way this is where the brothers are similar. In the 4th season finale, the "Winner takes it all" alludes to both of them. Chuck uses his genius and influence to get what he wants while Jimmy uses underhanded tactics. The author made Chuck "introverted" to make him easy to symphatise with, especially with his mental condition. But, I think he is just as "bad" as Jimmy can be or even worse, it's just that his "evil" is more contained while Jimmy cannot help himself.
In the first season, Chuck manipulated Jimmy in surrendering the Sandpiper case to HMM, the supposed bread and butter of Jimmy's career, disguised as "concern" towards Jimmy. He even tried to sabotage it by acting all stupid during their meetup with schweikart. He again showed his manipulative side during the Mesa Verde retainership which lead to Jimmy's actions. Then he blames him inside the court, his "home court" perse, no pun intended, how precious Jimmy is. But, in truth those childhood or years of Jimmy's life were just little years of his life and after his divorce with his wife, all he sees with everyone becoming happier than him are guilty one way or another. It's not just Jimmy who is his enemy, it includes Kim, the neighbor, the lineman, the insurance company and even Hamlin. He is a greedy man like Jimmy but then again, he is a bigger man than Jimmy and if his greed cannot be satiated then he might implode or transform to something worse which he did.
JustChizzin Oh absolutely, why do you think the dude is in so much denial. This is a guy who has defined himself on his Jesus like morality. He spent his entire life considering himself a master of ethics. And then his brother comes along, someone who he considers to be one of the worst of society, and shows that he is capable of reaching the same position as himself. That he has the capabability of becoming a partner in a firm he spent his entire life building. And he snapped and did some pretty shitty immoral things. If he accepts that what he did was morally wrong, he would have to accept that he isn’t as good as he convinced himself that he is. And that would completely destroy the way he views himself.
After the trial, a hell of a lot of people got to see Chuck as who he really was, and it drove him over the edge. Public perception is super important to him, and that trial did quite a number on that. Killing himself probably felt like the only way to truly escape from this hell he felt he was in
That’s an incredibly surface-level explanation. Just because you’re just jealous of your extrovert brother, doesn’t mean that chuck was with Jimmy. That’s putting introverts in an awful light as well, and chuck definitely seems more extroverted to begin with. He would literally have no reason whatsoever to be jealous of jimmy. It’s the other way around, clearly. He may of been jealous of Jimmy’s natural talent, but it doesn’t come down to extroversion vs introversion.
JustChizzin damn fuck I just got spoiled :/
@@ethanharmer5151 I like your perspective, and comparison. Very well thought.
"He gets to be a lawyer? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance!"
He defecated through a sunroof!
@@Chud_Bud_Supreme "I saved him, took him into my own firm. What was I thinking?"
@@tirthankarsarkar4206 "he defecated in my firm!"
“and you, you HAVE to stop him!!!”
Bahahahhahahahaha great reference
“Environmental impact and sustainability assurance act”
The same act that Skylar used in Breaking Bad to get Mr.Eyebrows to sell the car wash
Neat detail!
You sir are a true nerd :)
Ain't that the best catch I've ever seen in UA-cam comments!
Dayyyuum!
That's some amazing attention to detail
Impressive find
Becoming a lawyer is like losing your virginity: in both cases it's a loss of innocence.
0:28 chuck reacts to Jimmy passing the bar
There is a moment right after this where Jimmy asks if his brother is proud of him, and the pause and hesitation of what should be an immediate and clear answer is amazing writing and acting when you know the whole story.
the wonderful irony is that jimmy was twice the lawyer chuck ever was from a raw talent standpoint.
With a brother like Chuck...who needs enemies? I'd much rather have Jimmy as my lawyer than Chuck. Certainly much rather have him as a brother.
May i ask what chuck dif wrong in this scene?
@@camelcats5280 not in this scene in particular, he's just been a dick towards Jimmy for the whole show
All kidding aside, Chuck was a partner at a pretty successful law firm and was basically THE rock star lawyer of that firm. So basically, even if you wanted Chuck as your lawyer you probably wouldn't afford his retainer.
Imagine having a brother that steals from your parents, you tell that to your parentes and they don't believe you. I can understand Chuck sometimes.
@@TovenDo.O.Video- yeah but 10 years have passed from when Jimmy was a scumbag
He even has taken care of Chuck for a lot of time too. And the fucking asshole keeps wanting him down. There's no reason to hate Jimmy anymore. He changed and he knows that. And he hates that also just as much as he hates Jimmy
Jimmy asked if he had a second, but then said it would take 2 seconds. Slippin' Jimmy strikes again
He's so flummoxed and hurt he can't even put on a poker face in front of Jimmy. That's how badly his ego was throughout his life.
This is the moment Chuck became a meme.
Small but interesting detail: the face Chuck flashes at 0:36 is very reminiscent of his discomfort face when he experiences his hypersensitivity to electricity. like jimmy was somehow the cause of it all.
Jimmy WAS the cause of it all. Chuck felt he had lost control of his life and it manifested into a psychosomatic illness because he was too stubborn to admit how he really felt, even to all the closest to him. A control freak like Walt.
an older sibling is very psychologicaly close to a parent for younger siblings. Just like you want to make your dad proud, you also want to make your older brother proud. and you always look for this approval or disproval on you.
chuck behaves much like an younger sibling.
@@sherapower908 I agree with your first comment, but not so much with the second.
This is the scene where Chuck became Chuck.
the "you passed the bar?" doesn't even sound real anymore
It’s actually weird seeing the original scene now with all the memes 🤣
WHAT A SICK JOKE!
*hits its head on the table*
This is the moment where the joke becames sick
Chuck looking like he's seen Godzilla.
Jimmy got a law degree, and his brother's response is _terror._
Ahem, "a monkey with a machine gun"
Like a slaveowner reading the Proclamation of Emancipation
I think everyone can relate to that feeling when you are really excited about something and you share that with someone and they shut you down and kill your excitement. Horrible.
I get recommended this because of so many memes about Chuck XD
Poor Jimmy never saw his brother for what he truly was, a small petty man. And even when he did, he still loved him and chuck still made him pay for it.
The truly tragic thing is that at this point in the story, Jimmy really had changed. He had done everything Chuck asked him to do: he cut all ties with his old "Slippin' Jimmy" life and associates, moved to Albuquerque, took a job in the mailroom at HHM, and completely stayed out of trouble. He had been living an honest, law-abiding life for years while also obtaining a law degree through the limited options available to him. No fraud, no cheating, no scams. He followed the rules, put in the work, took the classes, studied the books, passed the exams, and made himself a lawyer. Jimmy had proved his commitment to becoming a better man. But Chuck never really wanted him to become a better man, he just wanted to keep him under his thumb forever. If Chuck had just hired Jimmy as a junior associate (or at the very least recommended him to another firm) Jimmy might have spent the rest of his life as an honest, straight-laced attorney. Instead Chuck actively sabotaged Jimmy's career prospects at every turn, which drove Jimmy out into the sketchy fringes of the legal profession where con artistry thrives. Saul Goodman was born because Chuck refused to let James McGill, Esquire exist.
Exactly. That goes for any of these cretins that started popping up saying that "Cuck wUz Rite" about Jimmy. I swear to god even a brainless goldfish pays more attention to things than these nitwits.
I'm not reading allat
@@akgfilming Really? it's a few paragraphs, are you that dumb?
Chuck did not "sabotage Jimmy's career at every turn". He denied him from working at HHM, understandably so. Afterwards he allowed Jimmy to do whatever he wanted, including entering a respected firm like Davis & Maine. It was only when Jimmy broke the law and sabotaged Chuck's work life that Chuck wanted to take Jimmy's law license away. Something that he absolutely deserved to have happen. Chuck loved Jimmy, but he didn't trust him to be a lawyer. Would Jimmy have become as bad as he was if Chuck had supported him? Maybe, maybe not. But the fact remains that Jimmy reverted back into his slippin ways even before he knew about Chuck's dishonesty.
@@jessetheanimenerd3304 Yeah..... no. This is the dumbest prevailing take about the show.
I just took the bar. I’m really proud of Jimmy.
Same, and I was working full time so I got the Jimmy experience lol.
@@dstyer6128 congratulations was it hard?
How bad is the bar anyway?
@@princesstinklepanties2720 i had to retake it but I passed this time around. I had to work a job and do it at the same time this time around. Juggling both is INSANE. It takes almost 40 hours per week in studying
@@MrMasterDebate Brutal but good work fren
What a sick joke
This was the moment that Chuck's "sickness" began, let that sink in.
What a sick joke!
Good for Saul! He passed one way or another.
*YoU PaSSeD ThE BaR???*
The type of resilience you need in order to have a full time job, study at night for YEARS, fail an extremely hard exam not once, but twice, and keep coming back for more...is staggering.
and not even tell your brother about it!
This scene hits me like a ton of bricks. I've been a screwup my whole life, but the past 5 years I've really turned it around. I went back to school, got my degree, and currently pursuing a career doing what I love. I've worked my butt off to turn my life around and I've finally found success and stability... and there have been multiple people who I thought were in my corner react with nothing but thinly-veiled disgust and jealousy. I remember a couple friends I had finding out about something special I had accomplished career-wise, and their reactions were basically note-for-note how Chuck reacted to Jimmy passing the bar here. These people weren't happy for me at all.
Most of your "friends" and "loved ones" don't actually want what's best for you. They want you to remain the same loser you always have been so they can feel better about themselves. When you no longer fit that role, they no longer have any need for you. It sucks, but the only thing you can really do is cut them out of your life and move on. That's what I did.
Good on you getting the fruits of your labor. I hope I can work my way up to my stability as well despite people I had to let go of.
Your friends sound like my b*tch of an ex. I invited her to celebrate when I got promoted but she threw a tantrum instead and got bitter about my promotion. Turns out she was competing with me in career success, I didn't even know it.
bruh that's so true. once people see you a certain way, as a "screw up" or a "goofball", they can't ever unsee that version of you that exists in their mind. they wanna keep you down because the idea that people like us could get our shit together fills them with envy.
We lived such an easy carefree life compared to them, they had to work hard to get to where they are. How dare we act like their peer. That's their mindset.
@@MatrixEvolution17 what's the name of that mindset
That damn voice recorder....
Got the feeling this is gonna be one of the most watched clips of BCS soon
Just passed a million views
I love how as the scene goes on, Jimmy goes from presenting good news to having to sell it to Chuck
"Distance learning." Oh how I pine for the days that was a novel thing...
Passing the bar is no joke. Some graduates from the most prestigious law schools in the world fail the exam. Jimmy could’ve been a legit lawyer.
Just bought my brother and myself a couple of those 'University of American Samoa Law School Land Crabs' t-shirts. TOO funny. I love the little crab that's holding up the Scales of Justice in his claw. That's epic. GO LAND CRABS!
Think of how much smaller the body count in Breaking Bad would've been if Chuck let his brother join the firm.
WHAT A SICK JOKE
Chucks biggest fear is losing control and Jimmy becoming his "equal" resembles a total loss of it to him.
I can't quite decide whether he's so disappointed because he thinks Jimmy will defile the law, or because Chuck is no longer able to contain Jimmy and act like his superior. It's easy to be brotherly when you're the big shot lawyer and your kid brother is stuck in the mail room.
0:17 I cannot believe the camerawork in this series, the change in stage and the tables turnings for Chuck by simply panning to Jimmy’s favor (and making him look bigger in presence) is just genius!
“What a sick joke!”
This is the moment Chuck turned into Walter White mocking Victor’s chemistry skills
Chuck would lose his mind over Zoom.
It's amazing how this scene looks right out of the era it was set in, if somebody who hadn't seen the show saw this they'd probably assume this is an incredibly well done scene from a 20 year old show.
I never noticed it in my first or second watching of the show... but that little "snort" Chuck gives right after reading the letter is DEVASTATING. More than any subsequent dialogue.
Yeah, he's so arrogant and petty.
Ok these chuck edits are getting crazy
its crazy how they actually made an entire scene based on the chuck edits. bravo vince
“Is this a joke?”
0:33 he's supposed to say '' what a sick joke! '' and then hit his head on a table. This video isn't accurate. In other words, what a sick joke! ....
This scene really hammers home Chuck's stubbornness once you know what's going through his head here. To literally anyone else, Jimmy coming in with his letter and talking about all the legit work he did to get through law school would have been proof that he was serious about turning his life around. No short cuts. No cons. Just his own money, time, and work.
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But to Chuck, he's just seeing Slippin' Jimmy bringing his worst nightmare to life
The amount of disappointment on Chuck's face. 😂
0:29 I can't believe they incorporated the meme into the scene before it was even a meme!
Bravo Vince!
Anyone else that was looking for “passed the bar” memes and stumbled upon the real thing instead?
Such a good show. Michael McKean is just fantastic.
chuck disliked this video
impossible! You mean he could be less than 20 feet away from a computer?
Chuck told Ernesto to dislike it.
If Chuck had supported Jimmy I think he would have stayed straight.
Largely agree. I think he would've had a few dodgy tricks, but nothing terrible. Certainly not "friend of the cartel" territory.
What the heck? Is Jimmy lgbtq? I thought he was married to Kim!?!
It's so infuriating later when Chuck says "I WORKED MY ASS OFF FOR THIS". Buddy, nobody is saying you didn't, but this dude got his education while working a job and passed the bar damn near on his own. He worked harder than Chuck did. Then again, that's the point. He is an easy character to hate.
0:30
WHAT A SICK JOKE
Chuck: "is this a joke?"
Jimmy: "yeah, a sick one"
So happy to see brotherly love and the pride chuck feels for his little bro.
Chuck was just plain jealous of Jim's natural flair and talent.
Why else would he have cared if Jim passed the bar without having ever attended college - let alone community college?
Passing the Bar alone means he's qualified to be a lawyer.
I wouldn't call it jealousy. Jimmy has an audacity to him that just gets under Chucks skin.
"If Kim can do it, maybe I can do it too." - Yeah, Kim is a prodigy and he just compares himself to her while working in the Mailroom.
"Its like losing your virginity." - Compairing practicing the law to Sex, real classy.
He even interrupted him while he was dictacing some really long and complicadet shit into his recorder. I'm not saying Jimmy deserved this treatment by Chuck, far from it, Chuck was a complete asshole, but Jimmy never quite managed to get his sensibilities. I guess, he just trusted his own brother too much.
@@TheSorrel i think there's definitely an element of jealousy there. it's just not the only factor.
@@TheSorrel to everyone who defend chuck
you missed the whole point, jimmy in his true heart want to became like chuck (if not he will not study law that spend lot money and time). but chuck see him as attention grabber that make his wife laugh, his parent in joy, his collagues happy etc, which chuck cannot. sure jimmy use many trick like invite his friends to birthday party and making mess, his way of speak that make his parent and his wife more liking jimmy than chuck.
the point is it isn't jimmy con that make him caring about his brother, but jimmy as likeable person more than chuck that make him resentful towards jimmy.
if you really believe chuck truly caring and want jimmy became better then you are fallen into chuck mindgame
@@10klikeanonimbalikwxc14 They do both love each other, Chucks jealous of Jimmy because despite him being a fuck up people always prefer him, even his own mother seemed to prefer Jimmy to Chuck.
It's a VERY complicated relationship, But Chuck does seem to love his brother despite everything. They do love each other and that's what makes the entire relationship so tragic.
@@TheodoreBotman from what we see, jimmy really love chuck and showing it with his action, but chuck definitely have love for jimmy as can be seen when he told jimmy actually never mattered to him, after jimmy leave then chuck show regret in his face. that's the real differences between jimmy and chuck, jimmy loving chuck and showing it directly to him by apologizing face to face. while chuck only have love buried in his heart deep down by his ego and never ever show his true love to jimmy
University of American Samoa for Christ's sake? An online course? What a joke!
Hey people do that all the time in real life, it's completely legit. Not everyone has the time on their hands to spend all day in a classroom.
@@ZenMonkeyGod that's Chuck's reaction, not theirs
@@haydeng3316 No I know, I should have specified I was just agreeing, and taking a dig at Chuck lol
@@ZenMonkeyGod oh ok lol
Honestly in Breaking Bad I think showing us his law degree from that school was supposed to make us think how dodgy he is for not going to a 'good' school and it rubbed me the wrong way because its just snobbery thinking you're better than people who went to schools that aren't Harvard or whatever, but I think Better Call Saul did it justice.
You… you passed the bar?
Reasonably
*Chuck closes the door*
What a sick joke!
@@miskyfr *hits head*
It breaks my heart when he say, all enthusiastic "are you proud of me?"... I can cry a river over that single dialog, because we know Chuck despites him... It's just heartbreaking.
You can see the envy on chuck's eyes
0:37 - Chuck was THAT close to exploding with venom.
Michael McKean got jobbed for a Emmy consideration, and Rhea Seehorn has been too. This is the best written, most well acted show on tv since, well Breaking Bad.