@@doraemon61377I disagree. I feel the reason it took so long for Howard to see Chuck’s failures are because of Howard’s utter respect for Chuck. He was blind in one eye, and it took the near destruction of his beloved firm to finally get his priorities straight, and see that Chuck was no longer an asset to HHM; he was a liability. Just my thoughts 😊
True, despite his hateable fancy demeanour and the antagonistic position he held against Jimmy, he was really, just a professional lawyer and never crossed legal or moral boundaries while operating his profession.
Initially you may have assumed Howard was a spoiled brat who inherited a cushy position at HHM. But the fact he was willing to leverage himself so much in order to protect the firm showed remarkable leadership and sacrifice.
And that he might resent being forced into the position. In a conversation with Kim he mentions wanting to go solo and starting his own firm, but his father wanted another H on his firm.
he kinda did force him out of the firm tho, while restarting the practice was all Chuck had wanted for the last few years. I can think of very few people who could take news like this without feeling absolutely furious and betrayed.
@@SaturnineXTS And how many of those people have overwhelming egos that make them absolutely insufferable to be around and treat the people who look up to them like peons who only do whatever they want like Chuck was acting? Don't pretend that Chuck had nothing to do with his situation. While someone else did put him in such a predicament, he did nothing to actually pull himself out of it and just kept digging a deeper hole until Howard had no choice but to cut ties with him.
@@SaturnineXTSIt’s true that Howard did more than “mildly suggest” (He said himself it’s not a suggestion, leave) and it’s understandable Chuck would be angry at being forced out. But Howard is right that Chuck has become a huge liability to the firm, something he’ll never acknowledge, and that he shouldn’t be practicing law if he’s mentally ill with his judgement in question.
@@SaturnineXTS He forced him out by offering him a lecturing position at a university. If Chuck actually cared about Howard or the firm like he claims, he would've taken that job instead of taking his own life.
The dude literally has almost 9 million dollars to give away... THAT'S INSANE. Yes the firm funded some of that, but it was mostly his personal funds. How loaded was he? He wasn't even that old either.
Howard is the only primary cast member on this show who was unequivocally a good person. Didn't hold a grudge, looked out for his employees to the extent he went into his own pocket to protect the firm. Actively tried to be a better husband. Took therapy. Didn't even retaliate after Jimmy f*cked with him so many times.
Howard is the GOAT, the man. It takes a real man to get stomped on, humiliated and destroyed but still got up and prove to them that he's the bigger person.
@robertorpg2132 Yes, they did. Chuck won his lawsuit by getting what he deserved and not what he wanted. Howard saved the firm despite the setbacks that would follow after this.
His mix of emotions when he walks out does it for me. It is at first shock and horror, then the reality of the situation dawns on him and it looks like he is fighting back tears just for a second, then he regains composure and puts on a dignified front. Excellent facial acting.
It’s hard to watch this knowing what happens to Howard. He was putting up with so much BS at this point that it really made me wish that he had a better ending on the show.
@@stephencaramenico8698 Howard put Kim on doc-review duty out of sheer spite. He's not a "good" man. He just looks good compared to the show's toxic characters (like Jimmy and Chuck).
Giving 3 million from your own damn pocket to let chuck realize how disgusting he is, having everyone clapped his only “legacy” as sending him with pride that “once” he was. Howard just turn the retirement into ultimate “fuck off” to Chuck’s face.
"I'm sorry to say, but our fearless leader Charles McGill will be leaving HHM, *effective immediately.*" Howard was all but saying Chuck's dismissal was because he was fired.
@usul573 Then he would have been fired for cause officially and the record would show that it was due to obsessing over personal vendettas, his judgment becoming unpredictable, mental illness, etc. Howard was doing him gargantuan favor in making it a retirement. Chuck would have been crazy to not accept.
@@spasebar kinda sucks that he didn't say in front of everyone that it was Hamlin who made him do it, weird opportunity to miss to humiliate Hamlin for what he did even more
the look on Chucks face when faced with Howard's willingness to sacrifice his own wealth to protect the firm, that horrified realization that he had become such a piece of shit that Howard was willing to do this to get rid of him, and that shameful walk out the door while being cheered by the very people whose liverlyhoods he was threatening to destroy with his little stunt.
Nah he didn't give a shit about any of that. Any negative emotions he had was more about how he was no longer apart of HHM. His pride and ego were cut down and his "legacy" was taken. Yet he can't admit this was all his own doing.
@@thefoundingwaifu Chuck is the OG Walter White. A genius in his field that built an empire from nothing, only for it to go up in flames years later due to his ego. The only difference is that Chuck never had Walter's badass "this isn't meth" moments. Just Walter's hysterical tantrums that isolated himself from everyone around him.
@@LMFAO_FAN_2004more like Chuck didn’t have Walter’s luck Cus let’s be honest, Walter was so close to being caught and even being killed due to his own actions yet he managed to squirm his way out of those situations by the skin of his teeth
@@MrBell-iq3sm Considering how Chuck would rather die than face accountability for his actions, Chuck would go on to become a chicken cooked to perfection, yes, even better than the ones in Gus' restaurants.
I often think of this scene, i imagine how many years howard worked with chuck and how many things the both of them built together. Then having to cut ties with someone you still consider a dear friend because they mean to threaten everything you both worked for. Many people feel for Howard later but this is the moment i truly wish i would never have to make
And to find out that your friend and mentor you have an immense amount of respect for, doesn’t respect you at all and treats you like an unruly employee rather than an equal partner…
I just got to express that Howard’s just fully saying BS(1:10) to Chuck is such a cathartic thing to hear since of the amount of bs he has been having to deal with from him.
Production was so genius for including that buzzing sound every time Chuck was in distress, especially when it was clear it had everything to do with life and not his "allergy"
Howard was right Chuck’s own personal vendetta against Jimmy had gone way too far. Howard valued his friendship with Chuck way more than Chuck ever did. You can see it on Howard’s face how much Chuck really hurt him like that.
Not only that, but Howard also had immense respect for Chuck as a law partner and his mentor, unfortunately it was one sided. Chuck doesn’t respect Howard as an equal partner and probably never has, another reason he’s so upset.
Why didn't Chuck say something like: 'Howard, I'm sorry, keep your money. I'dont want to sue the firm. I'll just continue to work reasonably, and at a slower pace.'
He was too proud to work at a slower pace. He was all in, and didn't give a shit what it took to keep his place. Howard had to go nuclear before Chuck ruined the whole firm for good, all the good that did him.
For one, Chuck is far too prideful of a creature to ever say something like that. For two, there is no way Howard would accept that at this point even if Chuck _did_ say that. As he put it, Chuck's decision making was unpredictable and selfish, and was no longer trustworthy. As much as it was going to ruin Howard in the short term, it was the right call in the long term for him to buy out Chuck.
"I would never endanger the firm." Howard said "...unlike you," without actually saying it with his delivery, and that cut Chuck deeper than any knife ever could.
One of the coldest moves in the entire show. Chuck was a legacy partner at the firm; equal in weight and authority to Howard. He was cast out of HHM and sent off like Tony the custodian of 5 years. An impromptu "Hey everybody. One of our founding partners is leaving today. Any words?" Howard knew that Chuck's legacy and ego were his Achilles Heel, and Howard just cut both.
Chuck didn't want to leave, and he didn't want to get paid off by Howard. Seeing that Howard would go all the way to buy him out, made him release that it was really over
You have two sides in this scene: Howard, a man who loved his firm and would pay out of his own pocket (and out of respect) to keep the firm intact. On the other hand, you had Chuck, a person who started the firm yet only cared about himself and what he wanted to control. I loved the "That's BS" line from Howard, he was so completely done with Chuck trying to deflect blame on himself for the millionth time. In 1 minute, he managed to completely deconstruct Chuck's character and see through all the bullshit that he put the firm through for 3 seasons.
Howard might come off as patronizing, but he's one of the few characters that genuinely cared about everyone and everything they said they do, and only because vindictive after Saul and Kim ruined his entire life.
Saul and Kim didn't ruin his life, but they definitely made him look bad. He even said it before he died "he will bounce back." Jimmy would justify it by saying "you'll be fine Howard", I can see why Kim wanted to get out of this cycle so fast and left her life. She was more heartless and more "Saul" than Jimmy was. Jimmy had his conscience bother him at times. Kim can be a cold hearted "killer" when needed. That's why Kim kept the Lalo secret. She didn't think Jimmy was strong enough
When i first watched this scene, I feel sad for Chuck, not because he deserves simpathy, but primarily because how pride and stubbornness can lead to one's downfall.
The switch up at 3:00 to "Do you have anything you want to say?" felt like a more personal question from Howard to Chuck put perfectly in the middle of his big speech.
Howard could really see Jimmy and Chuck for who they were. From the get-go it was clear he preferred Jimmy's personality. Chuck turned them against each other and Howard didn't want to do anything that could damage the firm. It's what makes this moment where he finally calls out Chuck on his BULLSHIT so powerful. It's a shame the damage was already done.
He really was. I thought he was a bit overrated but rewatching the show, he literally did the best he could 😭. Of course he was flawed like every person ever, but Howard truly was a good person at heart.
Ernesto (Ernie) probably would have been smiling had he been there. Chuck pushed that poor kid under the bus just so he could deliver an unintended message that was intended to Jimmy. Never saw him again in the show, probably still driving that Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 20 years later.
That’s when Howard should’ve put his foot down with Chuck. If he was willing to sacrifice employees at the firm, he wouldn’t bat an eye at burning a partner.
Howard said he would never turn his back on the firm. When Chuck looks back at Howard near the door, Howard stops clapping and turn his back on Chuck. Keeping his word and turning his back on the one who turned his back on the firm.
"I dont think that's accurate" Says the man who made his best friend reject his brother from the firm for him because he didnt have the balls to look at Jimmy in the eyes and do it himself, costing HHM one of the best lawyers around and also millions of dollars. All because his mom's last word was "Jimmy" and not "Chuck i love you you're a much better son than Jimmy"
This is debatable. Chuck was right that Jimmy wouldn't have worked at HHM. In fact, Jimmy had the chance of his life at Davis & Main and he blew it, unable to adapt to the rigid and boring procedures of a stablished law firm. Same thing would have happened at HHM.
Under what "amicable" circumstances would a partner ever leave a firm like this? Abrupt leave, no proper goodbye etc. I think everyone would get the message.
This would've been the final episode of the show if I was in Chuck's shoes. I would've immediately taken Howard's check to the bank, deposited it, bought a nice house on a beach somewhere, and enjoyed the rest of my life without a care in the world. The fact that Chuck was so prideful and resentful that he couldnt even consider that says a lot.
It basically was. Chuck was an entity in law, there was no Chuck outside of it. He got no family, no friend, no legacy, no nothing. He just an lonely retiree with mental illness and some wealth. That three million check is a great slap to the face. The perfect way to kick him out. Chuck hoping he could go to fight another court battle, but Howard denies him that pleasure. ...and as we can see, Chuck had nothing left after this that he didn't see the point in living.
Maybe you would've done that - and that's fair, most people would probably do more or less the same. The thing is, though, that Chuck's really prideful and thinks he's better than everyone else - and so his massive ego being crushed prevents him from doing just that.
why? Chuck built that firm... If he wanted to fire him he need to be compensated because like Jimmy said in first episode 1/3 of the worth of HHM belong to Chuck.
If i had a nickel every time Chuck was defeated by the contents of a breast pocket, I'd have 2 nickels, which isnt a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
You see both how sympathetic and real Howard is here and then how brilliantly two-faced he can be in his professional capacity. And I imagine we've all been there. Makes him even more sympathetic, which begins raising the stakes for the eventual tragedy that is his end.
The fact that Howard is willing to take the personal financial hit to protect the firm from Chuck speaks volumes about Howard's integrity. Howard was one of the genuinely morally good characters in the series and it's sad realising that while he tried to do the best for them both McGill brothers just tried to destroy him in return, he definitely didn't deserve his eventual fate
Oh man thats brutal. Gets absolutely outclassed from the highroad and then is forced to look all the employees in the eye who he was just about to put out of a job and forced to walk the gauntlet.
The way Howard smiles at Chuck when he starts the round of applause kills me. He’s not a vindictive guy and a farewell like this would’ve been expected for Chuck, but I do kind of feel like he’s relishing in how that’s a mic-drop for him. Everything Chuck cared about, and also all the people he was willing to screw over to maintain his image, smiling and clapping while he’s on his way out the door.
I can tell that Chuck didn't really want to sue Howard or the firm. He was too irrational and impulsive to threaten litigation just so Howard can let him stay on in HHM. It really reflects upon his character. Howard on the other hand really want to retire Chuck because he became a serious liability to the firm, so much as to desperately wanting to pay off Chuck the $8-million so he can leave. I feel bad for Howard because he even wanted the best for Chuck despite wanting to let him go, and Chuck wanted to get back at him in the most destructive way.
"The moment I mildly suggest with empathy and concern that MAYBE it's time to consider retirement..." -Howard Hamlin "What if it's not a suggestion?" -Howard Hamlin
Chuck is high up on the gallows here, it's his death sentence right here. Everyone clapping around him reminds me of a beehive or any kind of organism expelling a foreign object. This show is just incredible, so underrated...
I love how both of them being lawyers have this argumentative mindset always ready to refute (Chuck most of all). But as Chuck is about to argue Howard’s so-called betrayal, Howard drops the formalities, “That’s bullshit, and you know it!” At the moment I feel like Chuck realized there was nothing he could say to get the upper hand. The law couldn’t help him.
This is a great contrast to Howard's final scene with Lalo when he tried to talk his way out of Lalo doing anything once he saw the gun. This interaction with Chuck takes place in Howard's world - where people settle disputes with conversation and sometimes litigation. He expelled Chuck because he knew that world and how it worked. Once Lalo entered and Howard saw the gun, he was in very foreign territory and didn't know how to settle it.
Howard is such a brilliant character! Started the show by looking like the most dickish, snobish and stuck up rich boy in the country but in the end of it all he was one of the very few characters that displayed genuine good morals, but unfortunately many of his actions with truly righteous intentions were often misinterpreted by those around him. His relationship with Jimmy initally made me think that he deserved to be thaught a harsh lesson but his death was one of the most upsetting moments in the BB/BCS universe. Howard's downfall was absolutely tragic and he definitely didn't deserve most of what happened to him throughout the story. And Patrick Fabian doesn't get nearly enough praise for his role on this show. The way he initially made us all hate his guts but then slowly made us all feel sorry for him and the transition from always looking slick and squeaky clean to slowly becoming the most visibly miserable person on the show was simply outstanding.
Howard has so much class and integrity. He gets betrayed and sacrifices everything to make sure the firm and its employees, are safe, then allows the man who betrayed him to leave with his dignity intact.
Chuck just can't stop pushing everyone away from him because he can't understand how horrible his behavior is even when everyone tries to point that out to him.
It amazes me how many people gloss over that as if Howard did nothing wrong lmao I think there’s a reason why Howard fell into deep depression after Chucks death
I tell tell you what would be the perfect last line for Howard to say to Chuck is, “I almost feel sorry for Jimmy” after the bit about personal vendettas
"i can make he argument that you were the one who betrayed me" That sums pretty much the delusion he always had that he's always in control of everything.
Howard was actually a good guy. It's odd rewatching the series knowing what unfolds. Because the viewer naturally sides with Jimmy & Kim, the viewer is conditioned to view Howard Hamlin as an asshole because of their distorted worldview. The series was brilliant.
You threaten to sue your own partner in your company to pay you, he complies then tells everyone you're a hero. I'm not quite sure how Chuck could live with that.
"But you let personal vendettas turn your focus from what's best for HMM" This line comes out so strong in the last season after Howard was conned by Saul when he was made to look like a drug addict to a room of lawyers and peers. He could have taken the evidence to court and clear his name, but the moment it was explained to him that doing that would hurt the client, he dropped it. This guy stands by his principles.
Howard was the hero of this show. He wasn't the protagonist, but he always strove to do what was right, protect his people and fix problems. Yes he was pompous, but he was good hearted. Howard is the exact same as Hank.
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“I would never endanger the firm”
A man of integrity right here.
Refreshing to hear it from someone who actually means it, unlike Chuck.
Howard is a passive, timid guy who eventually learnt to have the balls to stand up to someone like Chuck.
@@doraemon61377I disagree. I feel the reason it took so long for Howard to see Chuck’s failures are because of Howard’s utter respect for Chuck. He was blind in one eye, and it took the near destruction of his beloved firm to finally get his priorities straight, and see that Chuck was no longer an asset to HHM; he was a liability.
Just my thoughts 😊
Now that's tegridy!
There not Here.
What's ironic is that the slick, rich lawyer in the pinstriped suits was the most decent person in the show (other than Nacho's Dad, of course).
You forgot Lyle.
@@rswy8059Lyle was the most evil. He lasered Brock and gave Chuck his condition.
@@bladedninja8853 also blew up Los Pollos Hermanos
True, despite his hateable fancy demeanour and the antagonistic position he held against Jimmy, he was really, just a professional lawyer and never crossed legal or moral boundaries while operating his profession.
it wasnt difficult to see that Nacho's dad was a good decent man from the start, though... wasnt that your point?
Initially you may have assumed Howard was a spoiled brat who inherited a cushy position at HHM. But the fact he was willing to leverage himself so much in order to protect the firm showed remarkable leadership and sacrifice.
Yeah there are few examples of that in real life. CEOs would layoff 10000 family breadwinners in a heartbeat to do some stock buybacks.
@@TESkyrimizer LMAO ur fun at parties
@@user-ex7yq6xq9s *You're
@@user-ex7yq6xq9s Where did that come from? What they said is accurate and relevant to this video.
And that he might resent being forced into the position. In a conversation with Kim he mentions wanting to go solo and starting his own firm, but his father wanted another H on his firm.
“Howard I can make the argument that you were the one who betrayed me.”
The absolute audacity of that line.
Love how Howard just cut it out right there with the "Bullshit".
@@efes47198And Chuck was surprised and shocked by that. It wasn't an argument it was personal to Howard.
"From my point of view Howard is the betrayer!"
@@Alknix I don't like the law. It's coarse and it's rough and it gets everywhere.
1261? Impossible. Perhaps the archives are incomplete.
Imagine being so loathed at work that your partner is willing to pay you $8 million to kick rocks
The winner takes it all
9 million*
@@ashwindeshpande2400 8 million
Your partner, who you mentored!
@@JohnDoe-po3ku isn't it 9?
"$3,000,000?"
"The first of three payments as per the partnership agreement."
$3,000,000 x 3 = $9,000,000
The audacity of chuck to try and say howard betrayed him. He was literally the most loyal friend and did so much for him.
he kinda did force him out of the firm tho, while restarting the practice was all Chuck had wanted for the last few years. I can think of very few people who could take news like this without feeling absolutely furious and betrayed.
@@SaturnineXTS And how many of those people have overwhelming egos that make them absolutely insufferable to be around and treat the people who look up to them like peons who only do whatever they want like Chuck was acting?
Don't pretend that Chuck had nothing to do with his situation. While someone else did put him in such a predicament, he did nothing to actually pull himself out of it and just kept digging a deeper hole until Howard had no choice but to cut ties with him.
@@SaturnineXTSIt’s true that Howard did more than “mildly suggest” (He said himself it’s not a suggestion, leave) and it’s understandable Chuck would be angry at being forced out. But Howard is right that Chuck has become a huge liability to the firm, something he’ll never acknowledge, and that he shouldn’t be practicing law if he’s mentally ill with his judgement in question.
@@SaturnineXTS He forced him out by offering him a lecturing position at a university. If Chuck actually cared about Howard or the firm like he claims, he would've taken that job instead of taking his own life.
@@LMFAO_FAN_2004 You don't deprive a guy of a job if that job is the only thing he's got in his life. Howard learned that the hard way.
Howard really went "I'll pay you 8 million dollars to fuck off!"
What a chad.
3 million*
@@HappyTofu2424 plus the 2 other payments he promised later.
The dude literally has almost 9 million dollars to give away... THAT'S INSANE. Yes the firm funded some of that, but it was mostly his personal funds. How loaded was he? He wasn't even that old either.
@@nahor88If you're the owner of a sizable business, you'll have a few million dollars in assets. Not counting the business itself
@@nahor88 He also stated he took out loans. So paying off Chuck put him deep debt for a few years.
Howard is the only primary cast member on this show who was unequivocally a good person. Didn't hold a grudge, looked out for his employees to the extent he went into his own pocket to protect the firm. Actively tried to be a better husband. Took therapy. Didn't even retaliate after Jimmy f*cked with him so many times.
Howard is the GOAT, the man. It takes a real man to get stomped on, humiliated and destroyed but still got up and prove to them that he's the bigger person.
@@erueru6101 Brings new meaning to the Namaste plates.
He’s really good, but for my money the best person in the show is Lyle
@@Blibetyblabla Lots of non-primary cast members are good. Was thinking only of primary ones.
@@GlassesAndCoffeeMugs Fair enough, I cant wait for the Lyle spin off
The office gossip after this would’ve been mint
Oh very much
Did you see Howard leave? I can only imagine.
Chuck thought he had all the cards until Howard revealed his. He won his lawsuit but morally lost thanks to his arrogance. The winner takes it all.
Jimmy takes his brothers revenge
Jimmy won
Nobody won here in this situation
@robertorpg2132 Yes, they did. Chuck won his lawsuit by getting what he deserved and not what he wanted. Howard saved the firm despite the setbacks that would follow after this.
@@DaScorpionSting you have a weird definition of wining...
Chuck's fakes smiles and facials expressions while descending the stairs are priceless, love it
Reminds me of the faces he made when he read the letter about Jimmy passing the bar exam.
@@DaScorpionSting Excellent acting you ask me
He looks like he's suffering from heartburn!
His mix of emotions when he walks out does it for me. It is at first shock and horror, then the reality of the situation dawns on him and it looks like he is fighting back tears just for a second, then he regains composure and puts on a dignified front. Excellent facial acting.
The first descendant
It’s hard to watch this knowing what happens to Howard. He was putting up with so much BS at this point that it really made me wish that he had a better ending on the show.
He got cursed by the McGill brothers
Howard was a good man.
@@stephencaramenico8698he was a coward to become the bad guy against jimmy. He’s not evil but he’s not the saint a lot of viewers give him credit for.
@@stephencaramenico8698 Howard put Kim on doc-review duty out of sheer spite. He's not a "good" man. He just looks good compared to the show's toxic characters (like Jimmy and Chuck).
@@ganymedehedgehog371 he is a saint, compared to who he is sharing an unholy grave with
Giving 3 million from your own damn pocket to let chuck realize how disgusting he is, having everyone clapped his only “legacy” as sending him with pride that “once” he was. Howard just turn the retirement into ultimate “fuck off” to Chuck’s face.
The winner takes it all
and this was the last time Howard spoke to Chuck. This along with Chuck’s last conversation with Jimmy isolated him.
Well, he wouldn't have had the time to enjoy his 3 mils much longer, although he had no way of knowing that at that time.
@@DaScorpionStingthe loser's standing small
You use a lot of "quotations" where there doesn't "need" to be "any"
"I'm sorry to say, but our fearless leader Charles McGill will be leaving HHM, *effective immediately.*" Howard was all but saying Chuck's dismissal was because he was fired.
What happens if Chuck refuses to take the money?
@usul573
Then he would have been fired for cause officially and the record would show that it was due to obsessing over personal vendettas, his judgment becoming unpredictable, mental illness, etc.
Howard was doing him gargantuan favor in making it a retirement. Chuck would have been crazy to not accept.
@@spasebar HE IS NOT CRAZY!
@@spasebar kinda sucks that he didn't say in front of everyone that it was Hamlin who made him do it, weird opportunity to miss to humiliate Hamlin for what he did even more
@@SaturnineXTS and made himself become a clown just like when he was in the court? "He orchestrated this! Howie!"
"You're telling me a man just happens to retire like that? No. He orchestrated it. HOWARD!"
the look on Chucks face when faced with Howard's willingness to sacrifice his own wealth to protect the firm, that horrified realization that he had become such a piece of shit that Howard was willing to do this to get rid of him, and that shameful walk out the door while being cheered by the very people whose liverlyhoods he was threatening to destroy with his little stunt.
Nah he didn't give a shit about any of that. Any negative emotions he had was more about how he was no longer apart of HHM. His pride and ego were cut down and his "legacy" was taken. Yet he can't admit this was all his own doing.
@@nickrivas6429Chuck think he Walter White 😭
@@thefoundingwaifu Chuck is the OG Walter White. A genius in his field that built an empire from nothing, only for it to go up in flames years later due to his ego. The only difference is that Chuck never had Walter's badass "this isn't meth" moments. Just Walter's hysterical tantrums that isolated himself from everyone around him.
@@LMFAO_FAN_2004 Chuck would be totally aghast at Walter.
@@LMFAO_FAN_2004more like Chuck didn’t have Walter’s luck
Cus let’s be honest, Walter was so close to being caught and even being killed due to his own actions yet he managed to squirm his way out of those situations by the skin of his teeth
Chuck is the only character who got fired twice just in one episode
He wouldn't be up to Los Pollos Hermanos standards.
LOL
@@MrBell-iq3sm Considering how Chuck would rather die than face accountability for his actions, Chuck would go on to become a chicken cooked to perfection, yes, even better than the ones in Gus' restaurants.
Good one lol
You think this is something - this ? This chicanery - he’s done worse ! You think a man just happens to retire like that?!
😂😂😂😂
But not poor Chuck. Not our precious Chuck.
HE DEFECATED ON A FAX MACHINE
And that mail room job? You’re just telling me jimmy happens to not get a promotion! No! He orchestrated it! Chuck!
@@ellieeliandelliot7439 AND HE GETS TO BE A MILLIONARY? WHAT A SICK JOKE!
I often think of this scene, i imagine how many years howard worked with chuck and how many things the both of them built together. Then having to cut ties with someone you still consider a dear friend because they mean to threaten everything you both worked for. Many people feel for Howard later but this is the moment i truly wish i would never have to make
And to find out that your friend and mentor you have an immense amount of respect for, doesn’t respect you at all and treats you like an unruly employee rather than an equal partner…
@@matthewriley7826 that's our Chucky!
I just got to express that Howard’s just fully saying BS(1:10) to Chuck is such a cathartic thing to hear since of the amount of bs he has been having to deal with from him.
And showed Chuck just how upset Howard was at the situation. Chuck was treating it like business, but to Howard it was entirely personal.
Production was so genius for including that buzzing sound every time Chuck was in distress, especially when it was clear it had everything to do with life and not his "allergy"
Howard was right Chuck’s own personal vendetta against Jimmy had gone way too far.
Howard valued his friendship with Chuck way more than Chuck ever did.
You can see it on Howard’s face how much Chuck really hurt him like that.
Howard shouldn't have never gotten involved with chucks childish game's to begin with. Chuck and Jimmy are are the same.
Not only that, but Howard also had immense respect for Chuck as a law partner and his mentor, unfortunately it was one sided. Chuck doesn’t respect Howard as an equal partner and probably never has, another reason he’s so upset.
@@GREENCUBE8802 sides of the same coin
This is not true friendship when Chuck pride is above firm.
The only ego that surpasses Chuck's is Walt's
Why didn't Chuck say something like: 'Howard, I'm sorry, keep your money. I'dont want to sue the firm. I'll just continue to work reasonably, and at a slower pace.'
He was too proud to work at a slower pace. He was all in, and didn't give a shit what it took to keep his place. Howard had to go nuclear before Chuck ruined the whole firm for good, all the good that did him.
pride
You should have ended that quote “you and the Firm never mattered that much”
Chuck continuing to work would make the insurance rates skyrocket
For one, Chuck is far too prideful of a creature to ever say something like that.
For two, there is no way Howard would accept that at this point even if Chuck _did_ say that. As he put it, Chuck's decision making was unpredictable and selfish, and was no longer trustworthy.
As much as it was going to ruin Howard in the short term, it was the right call in the long term for him to buy out Chuck.
The audacity of this man to say “I would argue that you’re the one who betrayed me” is unbelievable!
He only felt “betrayed” because Howard wasn’t acting like a sycophantic yes man.
"I would never endanger the firm."
Howard said "...unlike you," without actually saying it with his delivery, and that cut Chuck deeper than any knife ever could.
Think how different all of Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul would have gone if Jimmy never defecated in that sunroof.
One of the coldest moves in the entire show. Chuck was a legacy partner at the firm; equal in weight and authority to Howard. He was cast out of HHM and sent off like Tony the custodian of 5 years. An impromptu "Hey everybody. One of our founding partners is leaving today. Any words?" Howard knew that Chuck's legacy and ego were his Achilles Heel, and Howard just cut both.
And Howard didn’t even want to do it that way. He had been planning for a huge celebration and sendoff for Chuck before getting sued by him…
@@matthewriley7826 he also tried to get Chuck a regular lecturing position at a university. Something Chuck probably would've been good at.
I sure hope nothing bad happens to Howard. He seems like a stand up dude.
Nothing should happen. He isn't too involved with Jimmy's chicanery, so nothing mind-blowing should happen.
He will land on his feet and be ok don’t worry
He always does
I just know he won't die alone!
The way Howard's smile fades at the end reminds me of Gus.
Interesting observation/analogy but not as cold hearted as Gustavo.
very perceptive.
Chuck didn't want to leave, and he didn't want to get paid off by Howard. Seeing that Howard would go all the way to buy him out, made him release that it was really over
And gets to see everyone clapping for him the very same people he was willing to take their jobs away for his own benefit
You have two sides in this scene: Howard, a man who loved his firm and would pay out of his own pocket (and out of respect) to keep the firm intact. On the other hand, you had Chuck, a person who started the firm yet only cared about himself and what he wanted to control. I loved the "That's BS" line from Howard, he was so completely done with Chuck trying to deflect blame on himself for the millionth time. In 1 minute, he managed to completely deconstruct Chuck's character and see through all the bullshit that he put the firm through for 3 seasons.
Howard might come off as patronizing, but he's one of the few characters that genuinely cared about everyone and everything they said they do, and only because vindictive after Saul and Kim ruined his entire life.
The man was a saint compared to the others.
Saul and Kim didn't ruin his life, but they definitely made him look bad. He even said it before he died "he will bounce back." Jimmy would justify it by saying "you'll be fine Howard", I can see why Kim wanted to get out of this cycle so fast and left her life. She was more heartless and more "Saul" than Jimmy was. Jimmy had his conscience bother him at times. Kim can be a cold hearted "killer" when needed. That's why Kim kept the Lalo secret. She didn't think Jimmy was strong enough
When i first watched this scene, I feel sad for Chuck, not because he deserves simpathy, but primarily because how pride and stubbornness can lead to one's downfall.
Yes, he is similar to another man who excelled in his field, but allowed pride, stubbornness, and ambition to ruin him…
@@matthewriley7826bro thought he was Walter White 😭
The symbolism of that final shot. Chuck walking into the light. His life ended when he lost the law firm
0:06: No no! McGill did! McGill money! McGill blood!
That law firm, I PAID FOR IT! Yet you treat us like dogs!
The firm can souk me!
Chuck this isn’t personal
@@maxgallen it IS personal
😂😂😂
The switch up at 3:00 to "Do you have anything you want to say?" felt like a more personal question from Howard to Chuck put perfectly in the middle of his big speech.
Howard could really see Jimmy and Chuck for who they were. From the get-go it was clear he preferred Jimmy's personality. Chuck turned them against each other and Howard didn't want to do anything that could damage the firm. It's what makes this moment where he finally calls out Chuck on his BULLSHIT so powerful. It's a shame the damage was already done.
The McGills sure did a number on Howard.
And he acknowledged that they both won.
Watching Chuck have to eat shit was priceless.
Hamlin was the only decent human being in that show
He really was. I thought he was a bit overrated but rewatching the show, he literally did the best he could 😭. Of course he was flawed like every person ever, but Howard truly was a good person at heart.
Ernesto (Ernie) probably would have been smiling had he been there.
Chuck pushed that poor kid under the bus just so he could deliver an unintended message that was intended to Jimmy.
Never saw him again in the show, probably still driving that Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 20 years later.
That’s when Howard should’ve put his foot down with Chuck. If he was willing to sacrifice employees at the firm, he wouldn’t bat an eye at burning a partner.
1:54 If you look closely you can actually pinpoint the exact moment his heart breaks in two.
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AND THERES A PICTURE OF A TRAIN @@solrosenburg23
I worked in that building. The elevators suck.
“Let’s give him hand for being this close to all of us losing our jobs because of his vendetta against his brother”
Howard said he would never turn his back on the firm. When Chuck looks back at Howard near the door, Howard stops clapping and turn his back on Chuck. Keeping his word and turning his back on the one who turned his back on the firm.
And that’s how we got the spin-offs
“Chuck does Suck” and
“Howard gone Soured”
Howard: "Anything you wanna say?"
Chuck gives one of the most hate-filled looks I've ever seen.
"I dont think that's accurate" Says the man who made his best friend reject his brother from the firm for him because he didnt have the balls to look at Jimmy in the eyes and do it himself, costing HHM one of the best lawyers around and also millions of dollars. All because his mom's last word was "Jimmy" and not "Chuck i love you you're a much better son than Jimmy"
This is debatable. Chuck was right that Jimmy wouldn't have worked at HHM. In fact, Jimmy had the chance of his life at Davis & Main and he blew it, unable to adapt to the rigid and boring procedures of a stablished law firm. Same thing would have happened at HHM.
Under what "amicable" circumstances would a partner ever leave a firm like this? Abrupt leave, no proper goodbye etc. I think everyone would get the message.
You think a man just happens to retire like that? He orchestrated it, Howard!
This would've been the final episode of the show if I was in Chuck's shoes. I would've immediately taken Howard's check to the bank, deposited it, bought a nice house on a beach somewhere, and enjoyed the rest of my life without a care in the world. The fact that Chuck was so prideful and resentful that he couldnt even consider that says a lot.
It basically was.
Chuck was an entity in law, there was no Chuck outside of it. He got no family, no friend, no legacy, no nothing. He just an lonely retiree with mental illness and some wealth.
That three million check is a great slap to the face. The perfect way to kick him out. Chuck hoping he could go to fight another court battle, but Howard denies him that pleasure.
...and as we can see, Chuck had nothing left after this that he didn't see the point in living.
@@VictoriaVoltia Well said. He doesn't have Jimmy anymore. He's alone in the world. He's got nothing in the end. No friends or family.
Maybe you would've done that - and that's fair, most people would probably do more or less the same. The thing is, though, that Chuck's really prideful and thinks he's better than everyone else - and so his massive ego being crushed prevents him from doing just that.
That’s the sad thing about chuck his only life was work. That money is meaningless to him.
1:53 Howard's expression though 😥
I love when actors can act with no dialogue…Just their eyes and facial expressions! Brilliant!
Superb writing, acting, directing, editing....
Hear Hear! Lest We Forget..........
Howard is the truest definition of "professional", he will forever be real inspiration to me
" Do you have anything to say ?"
"...before your sentence is carried out?"
Howard doesn't say it out loud, but it's there.
I am sorry to women
@@lifedeather dont be.
@@shhhake Ah! An anti-feminist! 😦
Chuck would probably say "SCREW EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU!!!!!!"
Thats bullshit
Truth
Chuck was shocked and surprised by that. This wasn't an argument. This was personal for Howard
howard not only won, but won with grace. fought respectfully and checkmate. elegant.
Howard deserved better
why? Chuck built that firm... If he wanted to fire him he need to be compensated because like Jimmy said in first episode 1/3 of the worth of HHM belong to Chuck.
The retirement ceremony was so petty haha love it
Well there was going to be a retirement party for Chuck. That went out the window when Howard received the lawsuit.
@@DaScorpionSting It would've been a great one, with a jazz band.
If i had a nickel every time Chuck was defeated by the contents of a breast pocket, I'd have 2 nickels, which isnt a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
You see both how sympathetic and real Howard is here and then how brilliantly two-faced he can be in his professional capacity. And I imagine we've all been there. Makes him even more sympathetic, which begins raising the stakes for the eventual tragedy that is his end.
The fact that Howard is willing to take the personal financial hit to protect the firm from Chuck speaks volumes about Howard's integrity. Howard was one of the genuinely morally good characters in the series and it's sad realising that while he tried to do the best for them both McGill brothers just tried to destroy him in return, he definitely didn't deserve his eventual fate
Oh man thats brutal. Gets absolutely outclassed from the highroad and then is forced to look all the employees in the eye who he was just about to put out of a job and forced to walk the gauntlet.
The way Howard smiles at Chuck when he starts the round of applause kills me. He’s not a vindictive guy and a farewell like this would’ve been expected for Chuck, but I do kind of feel like he’s relishing in how that’s a mic-drop for him. Everything Chuck cared about, and also all the people he was willing to screw over to maintain his image, smiling and clapping while he’s on his way out the door.
Who else is watching this show slowly on youtube? The more of howards scenes i see, the more tragic the 6th season feels
When Howard asked Chuck if he had anything he wanted to say, I desperately wanted Chuck to say: "She should smell the glove."
You should have seen what they wanted, it wasn't a glove...
I can tell that Chuck didn't really want to sue Howard or the firm. He was too irrational and impulsive to threaten litigation just so Howard can let him stay on in HHM. It really reflects upon his character.
Howard on the other hand really want to retire Chuck because he became a serious liability to the firm, so much as to desperately wanting to pay off Chuck the $8-million so he can leave. I feel bad for Howard because he even wanted the best for Chuck despite wanting to let him go, and Chuck wanted to get back at him in the most destructive way.
Both acted brilliantly
"The moment I mildly suggest with empathy and concern that MAYBE it's time to consider retirement..."
-Howard Hamlin
"What if it's not a suggestion?"
-Howard Hamlin
Chuck is high up on the gallows here, it's his death sentence right here. Everyone clapping around him reminds me of a beehive or any kind of organism expelling a foreign object.
This show is just incredible, so underrated...
I love how both of them being lawyers have this argumentative mindset always ready to refute (Chuck most of all).
But as Chuck is about to argue Howard’s so-called betrayal, Howard drops the formalities, “That’s bullshit, and you know it!” At the moment I feel like Chuck realized there was nothing he could say to get the upper hand. The law couldn’t help him.
that truly is the nicest way to fire a tenured employee
I wonder how much was Chuck's severance package here. $3 million of only the first payment out of 3? And all of it from Howard's personal fund? Dang.
It was 8 million, if I recall
We could all stand to be more like Howard Hamlin, who would've thought
This is a great contrast to Howard's final scene with Lalo when he tried to talk his way out of Lalo doing anything once he saw the gun. This interaction with Chuck takes place in Howard's world - where people settle disputes with conversation and sometimes litigation. He expelled Chuck because he knew that world and how it worked. Once Lalo entered and Howard saw the gun, he was in very foreign territory and didn't know how to settle it.
"Oh, and by the way, Chuck, I left the lights on in the stairwell for you, just in case you got lost on the way out."
-Howard probably
Howard is such a brilliant character! Started the show by looking like the most dickish, snobish and stuck up rich boy in the country but in the end of it all he was one of the very few characters that displayed genuine good morals, but unfortunately many of his actions with truly righteous intentions were often misinterpreted by those around him.
His relationship with Jimmy initally made me think that he deserved to be thaught a harsh lesson but his death was one of the most upsetting moments in the BB/BCS universe. Howard's downfall was absolutely tragic and he definitely didn't deserve most of what happened to him throughout the story.
And Patrick Fabian doesn't get nearly enough praise for his role on this show. The way he initially made us all hate his guts but then slowly made us all feel sorry for him and the transition from always looking slick and squeaky clean to slowly becoming the most visibly miserable person on the show was simply outstanding.
Howard has so much class and integrity. He gets betrayed and sacrifices everything to make sure the firm and its employees, are safe, then allows the man who betrayed him to leave with his dignity intact.
He could have had a great retirement party. Is read he got a 1min farewell speech and some clapping
Priceless
Too bad that party went out the the window when Howard received the lawsuit
Chuck just can't stop pushing everyone away from him because he can't understand how horrible his behavior is even when everyone tries to point that out to him.
Howard - "The moment I mildly suggest.."
Also Howard in the previous episode - "What if its not a suggestion"
It amazes me how many people gloss over that as if Howard did nothing wrong lmao I think there’s a reason why Howard fell into deep depression after Chucks death
I tell tell you what would be the perfect last line for Howard to say to Chuck is, “I almost feel sorry for Jimmy” after the bit about personal vendettas
1:20 "Three million dollars," "The first of three payments..."
People watch the entire series and see Howard's story and still root Jimmy on lol
If Howard had seen what Jimmy always said about Chuck he would've been fine, he was blinded by his loyalty and adoration for Chuck
"i can make he argument that you were the one who betrayed me"
That sums pretty much the delusion he always had that he's always in control of everything.
“and praises him a lot.” Very well said, description.
Never doubted that Lenny would get out of that neighborhood and find success. Squiggie was always holding him back.
And he would be the lead singer in a successful heavy metal band. Talk about a Renaissance man. Lol
Howard was actually a good guy. It's odd rewatching the series knowing what unfolds. Because the viewer naturally sides with Jimmy & Kim, the viewer is conditioned to view Howard Hamlin as an asshole because of their distorted worldview. The series was brilliant.
Chuck left that building with his pockets full but his morals empty
You threaten to sue your own partner in your company to pay you, he complies then tells everyone you're a hero.
I'm not quite sure how Chuck could live with that.
"But you let personal vendettas turn your focus from what's best for HMM"
This line comes out so strong in the last season after Howard was conned by Saul when he was made to look like a drug addict to a room of lawyers and peers. He could have taken the evidence to court and clear his name, but the moment it was explained to him that doing that would hurt the client, he dropped it. This guy stands by his principles.
Howard is the GOAT of the breaking bad universe
Howard was the hero of this show. He wasn't the protagonist, but he always strove to do what was right, protect his people and fix problems. Yes he was pompous, but he was good hearted. Howard is the exact same as Hank.
I don't think that I've ever felt a character's loneliness more than Chuck's during this scene and the scene where he tears up the house.
I never expected to like a rich, well-established lawyer, but man, Howard deserved better than he got.
Still don’t think Chuck’s death warranted as much guilt as it did to Howard. He still made the right decision.
My dad just retired today after 33 years on the job, what bittersweet irony to have this recommended to me today of all days, lol.
I will admit from Chucks perspective I wouldn’t go through with the walk of shame until the check clears
1:49 Howard looks so hurt and betrayed. Brilliant acting from Patrick!
Having everyone leave the room first was the last attempt to protect Chuck and his legacy.