Better Call Saul | Chuck Tells Jimmy the Truth (Bob Odenkirk)
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- Опубліковано 21 лют 2023
- Jimmy (Bob Odenkirk) confronts his brother Chuck (Michael McKean) after discovering that he went behind his back to prevent him from getting hired at HHM.
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Season 1, Episode 9 "Pimento"
Better Call Saul’s final season concludes the complicated journey and transformation of its compromised hero, Jimmy McGill (Bob Odenkirk), into criminal lawyer Saul Goodman. From the cartel to the courthouse, from Albuquerque to Omaha, season six tracks Jimmy, Saul and Gene as well as Jimmy’s complex relationship with Kim (Rhea Seehorn), who is in the midst of her own existential crisis. Meanwhile, Mike (Jonathan Banks), Gus (Giancarlo Esposito), Nacho (Michael Mando) and Lalo (Tony Dalton) are locked into a game of cat and mouse with mortal stakes.
Produced by Sony Pictures Television, Better Call Saul stars Bob Odenkirk, Jonathan Banks, Rhea Seehorn, Patrick Fabian, Michael Mando, Tony Dalton, and Giancarlo Esposito and is executive produced by Peter Gould, Vince Gilligan, Mark Johnson, Melissa Bernstein, Thomas Schnauz, Gordon Smith, Alison Tatlock, Diane Mercer, and Michael Morris.
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"People don't change" is such a dangerous mentality to have as a LAWYER.
Maybe that's what being a lawyer teaches you.
@raymeester7883 then what's the point in sentencing in the first place? If people don't change then they shouldn't be let out of prisons as they will always be the same danger to society. That's why I think his mentality is very dangerous for a lawyer to have, the justice system doesn't punish for the sake of punishing, it does as a way of giving a second chance to those who can change themselves after serving their time.
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Maybe.
Maybe not.
Chuck was right.
Howard isn't getting another chance.
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More dangerous than the mentality of Jimmy?
Then about 12 episodes later right out on his curb, also Chuck: “And I believe you CAN change!”
“The law is sacred. If you abuse that power, people get hurt.” I love how this was a self-fulfilling prophecy. Chuck was 100% right. Jimmy abused the law and got a lot of people hurt. But he may have gone down a different path if Chuck hadn’t blocked him from practicing at HHM.
One thing about this dialogue is how hypocritical Chuck is here. A few seconds before Chuck calls the law sacred he argued that "people don't change," a view that essentially limits the value of law as a tool of punishment. While covering himself in this cloak of self-righteousness against Jimmy Chuck fails to understand that law is also meant to guide and assist people in becoming better versions of themselves, including people with severe flaws like Slippin Jimmy.
and Jimmy knew he was right!
Absolutely NOT !!! Jimmy is not the real face, the real one is SAUL GOODMAN !!! He was always SAUL GOODMAN !! The only time where he was "jimmy", it's when he decided to follow Chuck after jail. He tries to be the "good jimmy", he got Lawyer only to make Chuck proud. And to get lawyer, he cut corner by online cursus in weird university. Even he wants to do a good thing, he does bad ! Finally, Chuck hates him more, he doesn't like his job as lawyer (you can see the last scene where chuck advised him to change the path if he doesn't like the job, and that was his main regert, or the scene where his "show time folks" get weaker and weaker...). He likes fun and money ! So when he saw the reaction of his brother, moreover his hate for this bad paid job and the world of lawyer against him, he decide to become again what he really is : SAUL GOODMAN !! But this time, saul goodman knows the rules of the game, and he knows the winner takes it all !! At the end, he lost everything, because the winner doesn't take it all...sometime, the winner is the loser. But he is Saul Goodman, and only jail can stop him. And when he understand that, he accepted to say everything to the judge. When he says "my name is jimmy", that means : "i know i was bad for everyone, and now, i do what jimmy must do : send saul goodman in Jail. Because he knows he is saul goodman, and jimmy is just a little part of him ... By the way, in the jail, everyone call him "saul", and he accepted it !
@@caiolanes9368 The law might only change your behavior, but not your true nature. Chuck was right and Jimmy's short stint at Davis and Main proved it.
@@johndong7524 Arguing Chuck was right here based on Jimmy's short stint is redundant- Jimmy couldn't be a better version of himself because he took Chuck's words to heart. Any possibility that Jimmy could've walked a straighter path at that time was thrown right out the window as shown in the same episode this conversation takes place when Jimmy tells Mike he regrets not keeping the couple's money and vows to never restrain himself again.
Whether intentional or not, Chuck is brilliantly written as a clinical narcissist.
I don’t think Chuck is really a narcissist.
Don’t get me wrong. I think he’s definitely in the wrong here but Chuck doesn’t really have a high view of himself or a lack empathy the same way narcissist usually do.
He his however shown to be passive aggressive, hypocritical, and extremely jealous of his brother Jimmy which shows that he is selfish but probably not narcissistic given their past bond.
@@Jackal_El_Lobo34 No, this is narcissism 100%. Lying, going behind his back, condescension, grandiosity, hypocrisy... etc. Narcissists can have strong bonds with people and can use empathy, especially for their own good. Narcissism isn't about lacking what other's have, it's about using those traits as weapons when others wouldn't think to.
@@InsanitysApex My feeling is that a true narcissist would virtually never admit to malice, even when caught dead to rights. They might do so if they were entirely certain that the person they're admitting it to is isolated, that most people wouldn't believe them, but mostly exist in a general perception other people have of them. Whether that perception has much real basis in reality or not. If they did admit to malice over something like this, then the reasoning would likely just be for the sake of emotional control. The only real person in them capable of connecting emotionally to others is a child that will lash out. Chuck here doesn't seem to be doing that. And, while it could be argued he helped set him down this path, he was definitely correct about Jimmy.
@@FrantiC119 You're painting a 1-dimensional view of narcissism, but narcissism has a spectrum and there's multiple ways it manifests. Everyone exhibits varying qualities of narcissism across time. A true narcissist will admit to essentially anything, even in public, if it increases their level of perceived control or if it diminishes the judgement they feel from others.
Narcissists' aren't children stuck in the minds of adults and they can have emotionally mature connections (though how they leverage those connections is another matter). They only appear childlike on the surface because they repress their ability for psychological development. Destroying your ego is how human's grow psychologically, akin to a metamorphisis or phoenix rebirth. It allows for creation and integration of new aspects of your unconscious. Narcissist's choose to believe they haven't failed or made mistakes which prevents them from growing or learning. They're consciously trapped within their old, outdated egos which may appear to have the emotional maturity of a child, but they are adults making an active choice.
Chuck chooses not to belive in his own brothers ability and refuses to consider taking his brother under his wing to train him to his own legal standards. Instead he rationalizes his mistrust by insulting the credentials of his university and mocks him with his past failures. It's all a projection to reinforce his own credibilty as a lawyer and more mature brother. Worse yet he holds the law as sacred whille simultaneously and hippocritically severing his connection with his brother. It may be well written, subtle, and empathetic narcissism but it's still narcissism.
@@InsanitysApex If you're going by the DSM definition for this disorder, then I don't think Chuck scores highly. He might have some elements, but I don't see how this could be some fundamental aspect of his personality.
I was analyzing this one scene in respect to how a narcissist would handle it, which I believe to be accurate, but, taken as a whole, Chuck doesn't have characteristics of someone with NPD to any notable degree.
And it's not really hypocritical for Chuck to hold the law as sacred while not trusting and sabotaging his brother. He's not breaking the law. Even if nominally in the service of good at some points, Jimmy breaking the law or being unethical does clash with Chuck's fundamental beliefs. Jimmy at times using the ends to justify the means does spit in the face of society, with Jimmy effectively playing judge, an obviously slippery slope that Jimmy does ultimately succumb to.
Chuck's belief is that you can't do what Jimmy does and be morally upright, even if it's in the name of some ultimate good. I'm not saying there aren't other more petty things at play as well with Chuck, but he does seem to genuinely hold this belief. If you watch his breakdown in the courtroom in Chicanery, it seems very genuine his reaction. It may not be all fair that he holds things like that against Jimmy, it's debatable since he is again ultimately correct, but he doesn't seem upset in the way you would expect a narcissistic person to be. He seems more upset at some more external sense of injustice for a person who has a great deal of respect for justice than it is him being upset at narcissistic petty slights.
I only just realized something... The only reason that Jimmy discovered that his brother has been lying to him and betraying him was because he cared about him so much that he always made sure to turn off his phone when he was visiting his house. The thing that caused jimmy to find out his brother stabbed him in the back was because of the fact that he had a deep love for him
And yet, in a horrible way Chuck ends up being proven right about Jimmy. Nothing about this setback - as painful as it - forces Jimmy to go down the path of selfishness and greed. If anything, he has a chance to prove his brother wrong, but he isn't. He's right. Jimmy ends up hurting hundreds of people using his skill as a lawyer. The law means nothing to him, and why? Because it means something to his brother. Pure spite.
Its the line "A Chimp with a Machine Gun" that gets me. Because that is bang on.
If we didn't know Jimmy and the man he would become, its sounds like he has Chuck dead to rights.
But we also know the future. We know what he would go on to.
And you can argue all you like about self fulfilling prophecy. But in a real way, Chuck's assessment of Jimmy's character was absolutely right.
Jimmy could have spited his brother by not being all the things Chuck said he was. But in the end, that was too hard. Its hard in the end to say that Chuck was even wrong.
Great complex characters
@@benlowe1701 Chuck only saw Jimmy becoming the monster he ended up becoming. Chuck could have helped Jimmy be better - not that Jimmy ever would have been a model citizen, but Jimmy would never have become "Saul" if Chuck could have just let go of that unwavering contempt.
@@benlowe1701 "And yet, in a horrible way Chuck ends up being proven right about Jimmy."
Not really. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Jimmy was trying to go straight, but Chuck secretly sabotaged him. He ended up going the way he did, but maybe if he had a mentor who believed in him, he could have. Instead, the person he respected and loved told him he'd never be good enough and that the love he felt wasn't reciprocated.
@@TheMisterGuy Nothing Chuck did *made* Jimmy do what he did.
I think Jimmy was looking for an excuse and when Chuck provided it, he fell back into his own ways.
It wasn't Chucks moral obligation to help Jimmy to he a good man. It was Jimmy's moral obligation to be a good man in spite of his brothers disapproval: an endeavour he failed in. If Jimmy needed Chucks approval and help in order to be a good man, than he was never a good man in the first place.
There are questions over whether or not it was self fulfilling; but I think the revelation lies in the fact that Jimmy didn't decide to be everything his brother thought he was incapable of being. When faced with a choice to be a decent person and prove his brother wrong, or to blame his *moral* failures on his brothers sabotage of his career; he chose to lie and cheat and swindle. His brother may have made it difficult to be a honest lawyer, but he was the one who chose not to be an honest man.
I think he was looking for an excuse to be the man he wanted to be: the con man, the lair, the cheat with no moral qualms in having people murdered for material game. And honestly, if having his brother love him more is enough to alter whether or not you become complicit in murder, I don't think you can say the problem is with the brother.
Chuck was so scared of slipping Jimmy that he never let his brother grow into anything else. Everytime Jimmy tried to do something good, his brother would hold him to his past and say "Look what you are! You'll never change!" - How can he change when you actively sabotage him? Chuck created what he hated, because he loved being right. More than he loved Jimmy. He was jealous and bitter. What a brilliant show.
But he was right LOL, Jimmy never changed just got worse and worse.
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Chuck: *Sabotages Jimmy's life so being a con man is all Jimmy thinks he can be*
Also Chuck: "I was right, you never did change!"
That is the most backwards toxic logic ever. Blaming the victim of years of sabotage for not changing.
@@EstebanBReyes we certainly don't know if jimmy would've turned out different if chuck didn't sabotage him, what we certainly DO know is the path jimmy took due to chuck's sabotage
@@EstebanBReyes "you'll never change" is the worst kind of condemnation from a supposed loved one. It's also an example of a self-fulfilling prophecy, which is the lamest, laziest form of proof.
@@unusualusername8847 Jimmy had something amazing going with the old folks, he really connected with them, found something he was passionate about and that he could make a difference. For me, that was going to be his turning point. But Chuck severed that potential off. Chuck never gave Jimmy the chance to move on, he put him in a box (the mail room) and punished him for trying to leave it, because of a combination of fear and jealousy.
Chuck is the definitive how-to on writing a character who is simultaneously completely wrong and completely right.
He and many other characters in this universe are examples of how legality is not morality.
@@charles2521 _I’ve known good criminals and bad cops. Bad priests, honorable thieves… You can be on one side of the law or the other. But if you make a deal with somebody, you keep your word. You can go home today with your money and never do this again. But you took something that wasn’t yours. And you sold it for a profit. You’re now a criminal. Good one, bad one? That’s up to you._ --Mike Ehrmantraut
He wasn't right. All he had to do was support his brother and Jimmy would have gone straight.
There is not a fiber in his being that is even remotely close to right
@@omarmassaoudi2932The comment probably means on being right about who Jimmy would become
It is disappointing that Michael McKean never even got nominated. But Bob breaks your heart in this scene
Chicanery episode alone deserves an award let alone entire season.
he deserved nominations for Pimento, Nailed and definitely deserved to win for Chicanery or Lantern
Serves him right for treating Bob like this!
And HIS heart nearly literally broke at one point! Thank God he survived that heart attack!
McKean and Odenkirk are so good in BCS. Amazing actors. Aw hell the whole cast is amazing. I’m sad this show is officially over 😭 😢
i like how chuck was only proud of jimmy when hes beneath him it really speaks to how hes jealous of his brother. it truly hurts to see their relationship fail like this
HE IS TELLING CHUCK IT IS WHAT IT IS NOW.
I don't think it was the need to be superior so much as his conviction that Jimmy shouldn't be a lawyer. You get the sibling rivalry part and he talks about not being peers. But I think Chuck would have been fine if Jimmy had chosen any career other than lawyer. And if you honestly believed like Chuck that Slippin' Jimmy would always be just below the surface ready to emerge then you would be convinced that it was dangerous for Jimmy to be a lawyer. Given what he becomes later you have to admit that Chuck had a point.
@James Taylor the show hints at the fact that Chuck is actually jealous of Jimmy, which fukes his hatred. in episodes like Rebecca, we see that Chuck is jealous of Jimmy after he seemed to get better with his wife than chuck can we also see in episode like Marco (I think it might be the episode before) that the first things he says are about where Jimmy studied and how he worked hard and Jimmy took the easy easy out pure talk of jealousy and that's not it when their mother died chuck didn't tell Jimmy she called to him before she died
@@jptaylor74 Chuck had a point, but, after reading this comment, I'm thinking, maybe his point had some emotions behind it. People who execute and help uphold the law aren't supposed to have those, but they are still people, are they not?
@@GimmeJimmy23 yeah, I think jealousy was a part of that and this idea that he did things the right way and he resented his brother taking shortcuts to get into the profession. It was a shame he couldn't embrace Jimmy's ambitions while also cautioning Jimmy about professional ethics. But I think Chuck had a smallness that prevented him from being that gracious.
2:32 Look at Chucks face. He’s not ashamed, not disappointed or even trying to calm Jimmy down. He was annoyed. He really wanted his brother to fail
He’s like: “Alright, you got me, might as well stop pussyfooting around.”
I don’t think he wanted his brother to fail. He just didn’t want his brother to be a lawyer. Succeed at anything else but a lawyer. And the crazy thing is that Jimmy got a job at Davis and Main and ended up screwing that up. And Chuck turned out to be right because in the end Jimmy is doing a long bid in prison.
@@ianwilson4483 he completely and utterly hated his brother. When their mother died she was asking for jimmy , but when he asked if she said any last words he lied . As a brother of 3 i could never do anything like that . He never wanted his brother to succeed. Chuck got what he deserved
@@ianwilson4483 He surely wanted Jimmy to fail. The whole "the law is sacred" thing, although true to him, it was his excuse to always make Jimmy miserable, to hide his utter hatred for his brother.
His brother was a con man who cut every corner including taking sketch online courses to be lawyer and expected his brother to just give him a job at one of the biggest law firms in the nation. LOL
Chuck created the very thing he swore to destroy
If Chuck had supported his brother, Hank, gus, Mike, gale, Andrea, gomey, Howard, Lalo, Nacho and maybe even werner would still be alive, even chuck himself would’ve lived
@@heisenberg6142 But Walter would've gotten caught or died sooner, so its a good thing Chuck was unsupportive and conniving brother...
Also idk if Lalo would still be alive, same with Nacho tbh.
@@nirjhar4803 Walter getting caught sooner is only a good thing, as Mike said he was a time bomb
By becoming that very thing, too. Calling Hamlin at 2 AM and then deleting the call, then making Howard take the fall has "Slippin' Jimmy" written all over it.
No he didn't. Jimmy would have gotten tired and bored at HHM just like he did at D&M. EVERYTHING that Chuck said in this conversation was 100% spot on. at this point he was always going to be Slippin Jimmy and it wasnt until well over a decade later when he finally turned himself in did he finally do the right thing.
I know _what_ you were, _what_ you are…
He doesn’t even refer to him as “who”… brilliant writing from top to bottom
He's terrified, and he relishes that fear, because it lets him dehumanize Jimmy instead of having to deal with him mano-a-mano.
It's a catch-22. He can't allow himself to stop being scared of Jimmy's magic words, because then he'd have to confront his own evil sneaky backstabby bullshit.
But if Jimmy is this Svengali, this nemesis, this dragon that needs to be kept chained, Chuck can have his cake and eat it too.
He can sabotage Jimmy _while_ loving his brother.
@@JoshSweetvale You get it. It’s ridiculous how many people support Chuck and think he did the right thing. In reality, he’s at least 50% responsible for turning Jimmy into Saul.
@@kaj7135 the right thing would be shooting a scumbag like that in the head first chance you get before he destroys someone's life. He should of never helped him get out of trouble with the law in the first place. The dude is a scumbag.
@@kaj7135 ehhhhhhhhhhh. I'd say it's more 60% Jimmy and 40% Chuck. Lots of people have little to no support from family and friends and don't commit crimes. I don't think Chuck did the right thing, I think he had a point, but the problem is, he's seeing the target and he's shooting at it, but he's missing the mark. And so is Jimmy. This whole thing could have probably been avoided or at least mitigated if they would have had a real heart to heart.
SPOILERS: The final episode hints at this.
@@kaj7135 Are you kidding? Jimmy was already shown to be stepping over the line when it was expedient for him post-law degree even before he found out about Chuck's sabotage/betrayal. Chuck was right about Jimmy. Plus, Jimmy was a full-grown man here. He was in charge of his destiny, not Chuck, and he chose to stay Slippin' Jimmy and chose to become Saul Goodman. Are you also going to blame Howard for Jimmy sabotaging him?
Creating this relationship between Jimmy and Chuck was genius.
It really adds without getting in the way of the Salamanca/Fring end.
Michael McKeon plays his part perfectly.
Michael McKeon's voice is awesome
Bravo Vince!
Funny coincidence: he was born the same year as Jonathan Banks
I completely agree. To me, this was the best and most complicated relationship in the entire series. Like Walter White, Chuck is a man whose inner demons and fragile ego destroyed him. But he's not presented or played as a caricature of an evil villain with no redeemable qualities. We can see and even empathize with how Chuck came to be this way, and how the relationship between the brothers, and how they were treated by their parents, (one respected- for doing a thing achieved through great effort- but not loved for it and one loved and showered with affection, no matter what he did)
@@sanityjihad1459 Yes! So many folks on this thread hate Chuck and love Jimmy, presumably taken in by the same charm that snookers others (and just because we spend time with him as a protagonist). Supposedly, it's forgiveable that Jimmy became a massive thief, blackmailer, legal bully, and conspirator to multiple murders because Chuck lied about not wanting to hire him, but Chuck can't be forgiven for being bitter about his parents loving Jimmy more than him. From your comment it sounds like you sympathize with Jimmy more than I do, but at least someone on this thread isn't seeing Chuck as evil and Jimmy as a pure victim.
Just imagine how successful Jimmy could have been on the right side of the law if his brother just supported him
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We don’t know that as a matter of fact
if he was accepted by the time he passed the bar probably. but from the first few episodes from season 1, it was shown that Jimmy couldn't hold himself to not be a Slippin' Jimmy.
Every word Chuck said is true.
@@imbtt39 fax he would’ve slipped his hand right in the cash jar😔
@@imbtt39 True, although it was kind of a shame. We saw what kinds of things Jimmy and Chuck could do when they work as a team since their skill sets worked well.
Their mother just wanted to see Jimmy before she died, but Chuck was too stubborn to say anything.
Or he was trying to spare Jimmy’s feelings. He was out getting them food after a long period of time and learning what his mothers last words were might’ve been heartbreaking for him.
Absolutely that is not the reason. You didn't really understand the charachter of Chuck, if you think this way. No offense
He was broken after that. That's essentially what caused his illness. Knowing that even through all the hard work he did, his mother would always love Jimmy more.
@@matthewriley7826 that is not in any capacity why he didn’t say anything he was envious and spiteful
@@ib777 No offense but if you think spite and jealousy, which is a predominant theme for Chuck, played no role in his earlier life you're delusional
This was such a big twist for me. I didn't expect it at all. It was amazing.
I knew something was up when they were at the table with Howard and the associates. I could tell Chuck was feigning confusion when they rejected Jimmy.
In retrospect of the first season you can tell that Howard was kinda set up as a red herring to be this evil ruthless corporate guy while in reality it was chuck all along making those decisions using him as a puppet from the shadows (literally). Howard really did like Jimmy, he wasn’t just being polite and didn’t put up a fake facade of friendliness like we’re led to believe.
But while watching it I really didn’t see it coming, that’s a pretty good twist villain
@@Icetea-2000 The writers originally planned for Howard to be the villain in the early seasons but Michael McKean was so good in his role that they changed the storyline so that Chuck was the real antagonist to Jimmy
@@metalbrock57 It kinda works. If that’s true then they can just pretend like he was a red herring all along and look brilliant lol
It was hardly a twist. It showed us Chuck using Jimmy's phone and I knew it was Howard he was calling. And I knew Jimmy would check the phone call.
When Jimmy says Chuck's on his own, I literally felt the brotherly love die.
Both amazing actors.
i mean, Jimmy still came to help Chuck two more times after this, so I wouldn't say the brotherly love died entirely.
That died after their last conversation
Chuck never loved Jimmy.
He always wanted him to fail in life.
Chuck was such a hypocrite in this scene the sole reason he bailed his brother was because he believed he truly was going to get his act together, and once he did he wanted to keep him down because he felt Jimmy wasn't good enough to be his peer. All Jimmy wanted was his brother to love and support him in becoming a lawyer like Chuck
The reason he bailed his brother was mainly because of his mother and that it would give him a reason to keep Jimmy on a tight leash. When Jimmy did keep a regular job in the mailroom I do sincerely think Chuck was proud of him.
@@matthewriley7826 proud of his brother being a mailroom worker his whole life ? What kind of bullshit is that you want to elevate your brother as much as you possibly can if you’re a decent person .
No he expected his brother to just hand him a job at one of the biggest law firms in the nation simply because he was his brother. No law firm as big as the one his brother ran is going to hire a lawyer who got his degree from some American Samao online class.
@user-nn2eg5ik8p it's more like "I want you to be successful but not on the same level as me"
Actually have met people like chuck. One person I remember saying that the reason they kept their brother close in life is because seeing the brother's struggle made him feel better about himself.
Which is really fucked when I think about it.
@@josceola8979 You're dumb. Jimmy took the classes, went to law school. Doesn't matter if it's online, he had to still do the damn work. And what he learned was still enough to pass the bar exam (granted after three attempts but he still passed). It really doesn't matter that his education was a correspondence school.
He had every right to want a lawyer job at HHM. He put in the work. Especially after putting together the Sandpiper case.
"On some level you know I'm right" is Chuck's "I did it all for the family."
are you really saying theres a comparison to be made between those 2 characters
@@Sternertime Considering Bob Odenkirk is 100 times better as an actor, yes, there is.
@@Sternertime Yeah, they both justified selfish behaviour by convincing themselves it was noble.
@@mohammadalirashed3103 I don't see how Chuck's behavior was selfish. He genuinely believed Jimmy to have not changed and that would never change. Chuck did not hire criminal lawyers and never would. Sure, he was jealous, but his actions here, however wrong they were, were centered around altruism. Nothing Jimmy did was ever for anyone else. He proved Chuck right at every turn.
@@kommisar. Jimmy is by no means a good person, and Chuck has a point that he could be a very dangerous lawyer, but saying that his intentions were altruistic completely misses the truth of the character. The ENTIRE first half of Chuck's rant is about how Jimmy doesn't have a right to call himself Chuck's peer, which is pure elitism and envy. The chicanery rant also devolves from him pointing out the immoral things Jimmy's done, to complaining about his parents' favoritism for him. Chuck is only partially motivated by his fear of what Jimmy could do as a lawyer, but it's clear a large part of his hatred comes purely from the fact that Jimmy is just more likable than him.
Funny how this is EXACTLY what Chuck does to Howard.
His last move was stealing Jimmy's idea.
Only to be outsmarted by Howard
This is so amazing exactly because Chuck ended up being right but at the same time what he did was a self-fulfilling prophecy
Spot on.
Everything that Chuck says here was proven right - Jimmy with a law degree did not turn out well. He abused the power it gave him, and people got hurt as a result, including Jimmy. Exactly as Chuck said would happen.
But it wasn't necessarily inevitable - things could have turned out differently, if only Chuck had been a better man and supported him.
@@michaeltownley9144 it was inevitable. Jimmy cant help it. He even got a really good job at a respectable firm, but that bores him. Jimmy enjoys the thrill of shortcuts and corruption, because he is good at it.
@@josendI’m going to say you’re wrong. He wanted to work with his brother and girlfriend. People were his motivation. He didn’t want to just work at any old firm. And also without the proper support he of course will fall back into his conman days. You don’t expect an addict to get sober on their own. You know what happened? His brother actively sabotaged him. And that actively made him go from Slippin Jimmy to Saul Goodman. Which is a much bigger threat.
@@Jester_Jingles Nothing you said there rebutted josend's argument. Yes, Jimmy wanted to work with Chuck and be his peer, but the fact of the matter is he wasn't and never would be, because Jimmy would always be Slippin' Jimmy. No matter how good he had it, he would NOT stay on the straight and narrow. Look how much effort he put into sabotaging Howard. Even on a lawyer's salary, he still helped Lalo jump bail. The list is endless. Chuck wouldn't have him by his side because he knew Jimmy could never be as moral as him, as moral as he expected all lawyers, particularly those who worked with him, to be. He knew he would always fall into his old habits, and guess what? That's exactly what he did, even before he knew about Chuck's sabotage.
Also, addiction is not when you like committing crimes. Don't compare being a heroin addict to a con man. They are NOT the same.
There's no doubt that his brother and Kim drove him to where he got. He just wanted to work as a lawyer and wanted nothing to do with harming Howard, were it not for his love of Kim.
But because he had talents that his brother did not have and vice versa his brother couldn't stand it. I hated the way the series ended for that reason. He didn't deserve 87 years. There were dead bodies long before he showed up and he didn't cause any of them.
And he certainly did not kill Howard. He simply pointed out his brothers insurance fraud as his brother would have done in a heartbeat. Series is well done cuz I hate that bastard with a passion.
"When you straightened out and got a job in the mail room, I was very proud."
This sums up the relationship pretty well.
The way Odenkirk delivers the "I thought you were proud of me" makes for one of the most heart wretching moments in the whole show. You genuinely feel the anguish in Jimmy's character, as if he's just at the verge of tears. As someone with a brother who, for a long time, I childishly neglected and looked down upon, and with whom I've finally managed to rebuild a connection, this hits extremeley close to home. The relation between Jimmy and Chuck has helped me appreaciate the value of family even more. Please never neglect the people who are close to you.
you will never be a woman/man
This scene is really hard for me to watch because my older brother died in 2016. He was 27 years old. It makes BCS hit so hard for me like ton of bricks 🧱
A better lesson would be, don’t plant dynamite under the people you’re trying to help.
That's basically what the OP said.
We always look up for our elder siblings, even if we don't really show it. I'm 36, and I still look up to my brother as when I was a little kid. Congrats on reconnecting with your younger sibling.
I fell for the trap, I really thought Chuck was on Jimmy's side. This devastated me when I first saw it.
Me too :(
Same 😢
Isn't it crazy that later on Chuck really did employ that "game of chicken" with Howard? It didn't work out the way Chuck planned though.
Kind of exposes his hypocrisy too, claiming the law is sacred and shouldn’t be used to hurt people. But then he weaponize it to target an entire firm.
Did it twice too lmao
His chicken got cooked
Have some more chicken
The tragedy is Jimmy was a rotten person trying to change, and Chuck was a rotten person trying to keep Jimmy from changing.
One of the best summaries of the show I’ve seen yet - and all in a short little comment
I would say Chuck was rotten brother.
He wasnt really rotten towards others(except at his very end).
Well admired by everyone, from his peers to even other law firms
This kinda remind me of the music business...
@@imma5761he was rotten to the very core. The way he threated Howard to bring down HHM is his core essence. A narcissist who can do no wrong
No sympathy for Chuck. Saul is an EXCELLENT Lawyer. Being clever, finding fresh perspective, and predicting arguments are what Lawyering is all about. Chuck could have easily fostered the honest side of Jimmy, and mentored him to be phenomenal. So much negative fallout occurred as a direct result of Chuck's cowardly selfishness, in this moment.
Chuck never wanted Jimmy to change, he always needed to be above him. If he was really concerned about his brother he would have helped him and steer him on the right path but there was nothing... Chuck might have been "right" about Jimmy but only because he enabled it.
nahh Jimmy is well into adulthood to make his own decisions. chuck didn't force him to do anything. I think he expected jimmy to work his way up from mailroom rather than have a prestigious position dropped into his lap because of nepotism. he wanted him to earn it. the discussion is more about how much of someone's character is nature vs nurture. no matter how much 'steering' chuck could've done for jimmy, he isn't responsible for his choices. it's also not his responsibility to hold his brothers' hands in doing things morally and ethically. he knew jimmy would continue to find ways to swindle and manipulate to get what he wants, even towards his own family (which he had done towards his father). chuck had very valid reasons for not trusting jimmy even if he was his own brother, he just muddied those reasons with too much anger and resentment
@pencil6965 Not entirely true, their father was giving money to people who took advantage of his kindness. Chuck just used that story to put all blame on Jimmy. Yes, Jimmy is responsible for his own actions, same with Chuck. Chuck is like Jimmy in terms of manipulating only he does it when it doesn't break laws, and it doesn't matter if it is immoral as long as it is not illegal. Jimmy truly believed Chuck had his back for years but Chuck was manipulating Jimmy even making Howard be the one who didn't want him in HHM before Jimmy found out the truth. That affected Jimmy's mentality. Chuck didn't have the balls to tell Jimmy to his face back then that he didn't want him in HHM which would've saved the hassle of making Howard be Jimmy's enemy and problably prevent his death. Jimmy showed that he could go straight when he got his law degree but Chuck through his bad influence made Jimmy revert to his old habits of slippin Jimmy and after Chuck's death start using the identity Saul Goodman. Chuck didn't belive in second chances in Jimmy and his jealousy affected his judgment of him. Both brothers led each other to the path they headed to and through their own choices hurt everyone around them. They're both the same yet different but 2 sides of the same coin. Jimmy proved Chuck wrong in the end that he can change on facing the full consequences of his actions.
There are people in life, I'd say lot more than we sometimes consider, who just want to see us fail.
I used to be naieve like Jimmy & thought everyone meant well, but lot of people just want to see you try & fail. Exactly what Chuck wanted to see with Jimmy.
At the end “monkey with a machine gun” was 100% accurate statement from Jimmy to Saul.
Chimp
Chimini-panzee!
the way Chucks whole demeaner changes when Jimmy calls him out is so creepy
It's a narcissist switching off his fake empathy.
3:50
That acting. That feeling where you know you're about to burst into tears but you're putting on a brave face, Bob Odenkirk man.
As with Breaking Bad, there are several stages of Jimmy becoming Saul. This was the first stage for Jimmy. Last was when Kim signed their divorce papers.
I think indirectly being responsible for Howard's death was a crucial inflection point, too. It was one thing to mess with him to get the Sandpiper deal moving, quite another to watch him take a bullet to the head.
@@Morporkshortmanwhat do you expect from watching a video about the show and looking through the comments?
@@Morporkshortmanshow is over 8 years running 🤨 this is yout own fault
“Have a nice life Kim”
@@Morporkshortmantf were you expecting dude? This is a comment section, people are going to comment
3:46 I am speechless, this face expresses betrayal and pain on a level I never saw McGuill go through, I feel like I will enjoy this show so much
It gets so much better too
I like how at 4:41 Jimmy took a second to let Chuck's rant sink in. He looked as if he couldn't believe what he heard and how the whole reason why his career has been in the dumps is because Chuck couldn't let go of his ego and Jimmy's history
“it was naggin me, it was NAGGIN me” I love how he delivers this line
Some of Bob's best acting in the entire series is in the scene, imo, and that's saying quite a bit. McKean never ceases to amaze as well.
“University of American Samoa, for Christ sake?” had me rolling. It really does sound like some fly-by-night degree mill lol
The sad thing is that Jimmy actually worked really hard to earn his law degree, even if it wasn't at the world's greatest school.
@@Celestial_escape Also, if Chuck really wanted to keep Jimmy on the straight and narrow, having him at HHM would have been the perfect place to do it, as Chuck would be able to oversee Jimmy. And I’m sure Jimmy would have valued the attention from Chuck.
@@Celestial_escape He got his opportunity at Davis and Maine. What did he do with that opportunity again?
@@josceola8979 Yeah, and he was barely making end’s meet, Einstein. Chuck basically forced Jimmy back into his “slippin’” ways because he kept denying him chances to advance in his career. Not to mention Howard wanted Jimmy at HHM. It’s almost like you’ve never seen the damn show.
@@josceola8979 refer to the scene where Chuck bans Jimmy’s bus soliciting
"It was naggin me-it was NAGGIN me"
idk why but this line hits so well for me. I've been in situations where I've had to backtrack through lies and felt this exact same way when I knew something was off.
This show was absolutely MAGIC. Casting 2 comedians to play Chuck and Jimmy. Vince and Peter were AMAZING.
Chuck was a comedian?
@@trevorforever242his most prominent role before Chuck was Lenny Kosnowski in Laverne & Shirley, a sitcom, so I think to some degree he could’ve been but obviously Odenkirk is way more on the comedy side
@@Odme_ Spinal Tap too.
@@Odme_Michael McKean did a lot of comedy and music in his long career! Just google it 🙄
....and that bizarre appearance as the clown on star trek voyager, but nobody likes talking about that particular shitshow
Chuck is the best depiction of an abuser and a narcissist I have ever seen on TV. You can really see how annoyed he was that his small little game was over. How deep can you backstab your brother without finding out it is you? Well, games over. No more fun to get out of the suffering of your own family.
And he is struggling to use this to fake emotions, to make it look like Jimmy caused pain in him and make him feel guilty
I would argue that Jimmy supporting Chucks "electricity sickness" providing him with everything he needed while working as legit lawyer and never saying a single word about it is enough to redeem Slippin Jimmy from the past
Chuck's not a full fledged narcissist like, for instance, Walter White but he sure is a petty and weak man, who sees his brother as a mortal enemy.
@@Ivan-ku1pc Not all narcissists are the same. Walt is an overt narcissist, while Chuck is a covert one.
Overt narcissists are pretty much what people think of when they hear the term "narcissist" (overinflated yet fragile ego, always try to be seen as the "big man", grandiosity, etc). Covert narcissists come off as outwardly fragile and humble, but tend to be sneaky, passive-aggressive, envious, and will gaslight and more subtly try keep their codependents "beneath" them.
@@BroadwayRonMexico It could be since the DSM isn't a scientific matter.
@@BroadwayRonMexicoovert and covert must have a ton of overlap. I could find several instances where both could fit either category where Walt is facetious while Chuck is domineering
It all depends on the situation. Chuck is outwardly disagreeable when he's throwing around words like 'absurd' or 'chicanery' He wants to reel in attitudes that are beyond his sense of the world. So passive aggressive tendencies flop out of him when he feels that the spectacle has wasted his time. You could ascribe that to Jimmy's sticker situation and how he used his position as lawyer as a boast
Walt is covert when he has been caught in a lie. This too stems from a haughty attitude. It's when the mundane happens to gain the upper hand. Instead of just agreeing to disagree, he'll spin yarn to avoid being accountable. Walt would never accuse Gus of harming a child, but the insinuation warrants the right kind of deflection. Just so long as nobody gets their way he'll keep on weaving
The only trouble with that is that you will always maintain a hostile environment, even if you find yourself recognized for your aptitude and intelligence. People tend to stigmatize authority without backing. So its always Gus wants to kill me, Mike wants to kill me, Hank wants to kill me, and can't. But I'll make sure to get them first
Chuck was such an awful sibling. Jimmy could've had him committed at any point in a matter of minutes.
Chuck was right
@@josceola8979 you can keep saying that on every comment here but it doesn’t make it true
@@countof3everybodyOD but he was. Jimmy never stopped being Jimmy. Imagine it from Chucks perspective, he knows his brother for all of those years, how a scumbag he was. And the he suddenly '"changes"? Of course Chuck is always going to be apprehensive about Jimmy. Jimmy could have turned his life around by himself i he had truly changed, but he always falls for taking shortcuts and doing the wrong thing. That is why he ended up were he did, its his own fault.
@@josend Chuck never gave Jimmy a chance to change. If anything, everything Chuck did ensured Jimmy wouldn't change.
@@d-skullgaming696 yes he did. You forget that jimmy literally stole from his parents. Imagine you had a brother who did that and that also robber people. Would you suddenly believe that he has “changed”? Would you make him an equal partner in a buisness that you created with your own efforts? Chuck also cares about HHMs reputation.
4:17 you can really hear the disappointment and sadness Chuck has for what his brother became when he says "And slippin' Jimmy I can handle just fine." Micahel McKean is an incredible actor.
Both actors are so good in this scene but Bob Odenkirk is just on another level. The vulnerability, the pain, he’s just so fantastic in this show dude
Sad thing is Chuck was right about him. But the only reason he was right about him was because he didn’t give him a chance. He pretty much set Jimmy down to path to becoming Saul.
3:56 that line is a great example of elite writing..
“I worked my ass off to get where I am, and you take these shortcuts and you think suddenly you’re me peer?!”
I love how Chuck completely glosses over how Jimmy took night classes while working a full-time job and took the bar exam three times.
That’s so toxic and reductive I mean Jimmy didn’t go to some big fancy pants law school like Chuck but that doesn’t mean the way he achieved it was any less valid. I saw this as him trying to better himself and be someone like Chuck but Chuck doesn’t believe Jimmy could change for the better and arguably it was his lack of support that helped play a factor in Jimmy crime ventures as Saul. I’m not saying it was all Chuck’s fault as Jimmy is his own man and chooses his own actions but it did play a factor
Jimmy didn't just complete law school and pass the bar while working a full-time job, he also had no internships, no study groups, no professors' office hours. To me, it actually looks like Jimmy worked way harder than Chuck did to turn his life around. The only door that was opened for Jimmy was the door to HHM's law library, and Jimmy may be an adult who made his own choices, but you can't deny the butterfly effect of Chuck's role in Walter White's rise to power.
The pain in Jimmy's voice when his voice cracks at 4:01.
😢
😢
"i worked my ass off to get where I am, and you take these shortcuts and you think suddenly you're my peer?!"
Jimmy was doing night courses while working full time in your mailroom, Chuck. That is NOT a shortcut. The training and resources given to Howard: THOSE are shortcuts.
Plus all the time and effort he spent developing that charisma and sense of humor Chuck so maligned.
This series really shows people exactly how a great person, an intelligent person can fall to a life of crime. He doesn’t want to commit crimes but he doesn’t want to be poor either. Every time he tries to do things the right way though he gets sabotaged and belittled and considered unworthy because people are not allowed to grow, change and succeed.
Even when he does things for the greater good it’s because doing them conventionally gets sabotaged. So in some ways it shows that his lack of respect for the system is why he’s able to break rules selfishly but also selflessly.
Nonetheless had his brother just supported him he would’ve definitely followed the law and done things the right way because at the end of the day all he wanted was his brothers approval..
And sure he finds unsavory and maybe even slightly illegal ways of solving things such as his retirement home case but those people were being screwed hard and he just wanted a solution that worked. It’s not like good people don’t sometimes bend the rules to bring justice.
Exactly, and he took bar multiple times too.
Its crazy how much Chuck believed that anything above mailroom was Jimmy taking shortcuts
Yup.
"Tell me, why?"
And this is the first reason he provides. The first and - I think - the most important one to him. What bothers him is Jimmy being seen as his peer (something which is ridiculous, Jimmy being a lawyer doesnt diminish Chuck's past achievements). All the other part (starting with "I know you") is a way to sugarcoat to himself the real reason why Jimmy shouldnt be a lawyer.
Jimmy could have played straight in his whole life as a lawyer and Chuck would have still judged him unworthy of being a lawyer because of Jimmy's past and because of how he sees the world (through 'classist' lenses, with people born to be subordinates to other who have a higher status)
That was all of HHM. That's what made Kim flip too - they actively sabotaged her while "helping" her - never let her forget they took her out of the mailroom. They shoved her into doc review and she found them Mesa Verde to get into their good books. HHM was rotten to the core - "we didn't want to do nepotism hires" and squirming when asked "who are the H's in HHM?"
The best series made in a very long time. These two have a complex relationship that goes back their entire lives.
I think Chuck's real screw-up was lying to Jimmy all those years and going behind his back when he should have made those reservations clear from the beginning.
Yep
Chuck muddles his valid concerns with his personal resentments, just like Walt did. I like this idea in this universe how this simmering misery is what made them sick.
The scene following this is was devastating for me
Because chuck follows jimmy to the door but not further because he's scared of the electricity
But he was willing to put his fear aside for the sake of not getting jimmy hired
He was not willing to put his fear aside for his brother however
Showing that jimmy has never been his priority
It’s subtle, but really loathsome that Chuck wanted to leave the possibility dangling that he could get Howard to change his mind. To keep Jimmy with a perpetual sense of rejection.
The turn he does at 1:40 is sooooo good, I've had moments like that where I can't help but ask someone about something shady they did behind my back!
I feel that. Long story short I met up with friends in person that I’ve known online for awhile, girl guy and me also a guy. We all shared a hotel room and i didn’t expect anything weird. Boom I wake up to the two of them doing not safe for work stuff. It’s the fact they just expected to get away with it while they assumed I was asleep. Then that whole time we hung out those three days I became a third wheel. The things I was tempted to say but couldn’t bring myself to was immeasurable. That easily shifted us apart after all that. They had no idea I knew until I just texted them about it. Sorry king story short didn’t really get cut short lmao. But yea having something done behind your back and knowing about it really sucks.
My brother died in 2016 so the whole entirety of Better Call Saul is just so heartbreaking to me especially Jimmy and Chuck’s relationship it’s so sad to watch every time
Sorry for your loss. Bless you both. ❤️❤️
Turns out by the end of the series that Howard was better to Jimmy than his own brother.
poor howard
Howard was good to both Jimmy & his partner/wife.
They still destroyed his life for fun.
@@ketankulkarni7938 yeah he didn’t deserve any bad stuff good thing its fiction 😞
Michael McKean doesn't get enough credit for how amazing he was in the role of Chuck.
Yeah he really feels like a hateful older brother.
Michael McKean doesn't get enough credit as an actor period. Every time he appeared in the X-Files or The Lone Gunmen he stole the scene.
@@madgavin7568that's the problem with good actors - they become the role, and sacrifice their own ego. Seeing the character, not the person is the sign of a brilliant actor. I love Daniel Day Lewis, but he practically brings his own spotlight to point at his face. Melanie Lynskey knocks it out of the park every single time and no one ever remembers her...
As great as this scene is, what makes it even greater that a surprising amount of people forget because they're so focused on the amazing performances is that this was the very first time we find out Chuck's true nature. We all thought Howard was the asshole up until this moment. Definitely one of the best reveals of the entire Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul universe.
Agree
Chuck was right that jimmy will always ve slipping jimmy, that doesn't mean slipping jimmy is bad or good, it depends how he use it. Its kind of like yin yang.
you don't understand what yin and yang really means lmao
@@chefcorinth I think they are just trying to articulate that pointed in the right directions Jimmy’s skill set could’ve been used for good, like setting up the Sandpiper case.
I agree, one can use different abilities for good or bad.
My brother is an extremely good salesman. He used it to make money for a decade and then joined law enforcement. Selling people on cooperating with his investigation, whether they're a suspect or a witness, is such a better use of his skills in my opinion.
Jimmy can do good with a con mans set of skills, he can convince people, he can find evidence, he can recognize scams.
@Cory Layton to me, the yin Yang means in absolute light or absolute darkness, change can happen no matter what. Balance is what its about
Chuck could never realize that his parents neglected both kids by favoring Jimmy. He always felt Jimmy stole their love and he thought Jimmy was going to steal the one source of validation he ever had, his status as a lawyer at HHM.
good point
Great point. What a show! Hated the final season, however.
Chuck saying he and Jimmy working together would have been the very best even though Jimmy knows he would never want that. God, the shear slime Chuck is capable of.
Same thing when Chuck told Jimmy outside when he was waiting for the cops that he believes Jimmy can change but it was all bs to Jimmy.
If there was ever a moment that made James McGill into Saul Goodman, it’s right here. Breaks my heart every time seeing this scene. Guy was scraping for pennys just to be made partner or even get hired HHM but his brother was jealous of how much natural talent he had as a lawyer.
James McGill and Chuck would have been unstoppable, can you imagine it!?! flash and thunder, yin and yang, push and pull. And that’s what makes it extremely depressing. Truly one of the saddest moment in all of BCS and probably the whole breaking bad series. Your own brother treating you like a piece of varmint.
You know it is brilliant writing when you love the bad person and hate the honest person
And they have done it twice
Walter and jimmy
I didn't realize what a truly fine actor Michael McKean is.
This, to me, is the most important scene in the entire series. On the first viewing, it feels like our basic villain is being revealed. But after watching the entire story end to end...Chuck was entirely correct. But the real tragedy, and why this show soars, is the fact that Chuck's refusal to love his brother is what made all of his premonitions come true.
This show is perfection.
yes chuck was right but he was also to blame 😮 i think at the end jimmy changes for real though and lives his rest of the life happily (he cant be a lawyer anymore)
I don’t think chuck was correct
Jimmy could’ve been a lawyer that played by the rules if chuck gave him the validation and support he needed
@@crasherbasher8067Jimmy actually wanted to help those old people when nobody else cared for them.
With the right guidance, he could've definitely been a good lawyer, infact a better lawyer with more compassion than his peers.
That reveal was as much a gut punch to the viewers as it was to Jimmy. We thought Chuck actually cared and wanted to help when he was sabotaging him from the beginning.
3:03 holy shit that look Chuck gives Jimmy is cold as ice. This is Chuck when he drops the caring brother schtick
As if chuck was caring😂😂
Honestly what more could have Jimmy done. It hits me so hard how disappointed Jimmy is as he lists the items he got for Chuck. Bro the guy came to your house every day, for who knows how long trying to do right. That’s messed up Chuck.
The fact Chuck took Jimmy's advice later on thinking he would outsmart everyone except it blew up in his face when Howard outsmarted him.
This is the moment Saul Goodman becomes Juan Bolsa
Sock me
@@countof3everybodyOD Eet ez pershunull
Powerful scene. Two brilliant actors. Very well written dynamic between the brothers.
" slippin' Jimmy with a law degree is like a chimp with a machine gun"...one of the greatest lines in the whole series.
1:47 is my favorite shot. Where Chuck gives the look that Jimmy has given him so many times over the years. The "oh shit, he's onto me".
At some point Jimmy had to accept that Chuck is nuts and just stop caring about his big brother's validation. He got it right in the end when he stood there at the funeral and said "Chuck was a really good lawyer." and that was it.
Breakthrough moment.... 🤔
Yeah but he really did looked up to Chuck and finding out years later that he was manipulating and backstabbing him affected his mentality.
Michael McKean just gives amazing performance after amazing performance in this show (as do so many others). The fine line he treads between pettiness and subjective altruism here in this scene is just masterful. You can see it on his face and hear it in his words and its just so convincing.
Man, one thing's for sure, I'm going to miss this world and the characters in it Vince Gilligan created.
Masterful writing, seriously heartbreaking. They had a complicated relationship deeply rooted from trauma. Dead parents, social status and morales are what drove a wedge between them more so Chuck obviously. Chuck was jealous of Jimmy’s ability to be “loved” whether it was from their parents, peers or even his ex-wife despite his unorthodox methods to accomplish his goals and Jimmy resented Chuck because he’s everything he wants and more in terms of success, status and respect in a brother but because Chuck has a preconception of him as a immoral person no matter what he does regardless if he’s on the straight and narrow or not he’s ridiculed and looked down upon.
Perception is reality so it’s hard not to blame Chuck for his views on Jimmy as a lawyer but to go about tearing his own brother down the way he did even while compromising his own ideals it really hits home.
2:14 very good delivery
Chuck is one of the villains of this show
That’s an interesting tale. Bravo Vince
While Jimmy is the main villain
@@josceola8979 lol no he’s not
@@josceola8979 you getthe show right. Mike, Nacho, Gus, Lalo. Even Kim
@@josceola8979 theyre all villains
Chuck is a really incredible actor
It's crazy that this fella was Lenny on LaVerne & Shirley
@@tvtitlechampion3238 And David St. Hubbins in Spinal Tap
He plays Mr Green in clue the movie
I really don't have the proper words to explain how astonishingly well written this scene is.
Chuck is a careless brother, he resented and neglected his duties as senior brother because he was bitter and hated his brother's forward thinking. When Chuck revered the law, Jimmy abused it for his own gain, when Chuck championed the law for the good of others, Jimmy abused it for his own gain, when Chuck was making a name for himself as a benefactor of the needy and a lawyer of solid character, Jimmy was shitting through sunroofs.
Jimmy might have done a lot to redeem himself since the time of the chicago sunroof, but Chuck remembers the decades of abuse of the law, the one thing Chuck considers sacred.
2 sides of the same coin
Jimmy helped the old guys in that nursing home.
Chuck was right indeed. Should have explained better to his brother.
You're drippin Jimmy!
I really want a supreme bucket hat too :(
And drippin Jimmy I can handle just fine, but drippin Jimmy with a fashion degree is like Cruella with a machine gun!
Sounds like a bad case of the clap
When I’m in a Worst Brother in History competition and my opponent is Chuck McGill 😳
The funny thing is, as much as he got an online law degree..when it comes down to it, Jimmy/Saul eats most other lawyers lunches. Legally or illegally, he always figures out how to tilt the table in his favor. In that sense, he isn't a chimp with a machine gun..he's an Ape with a Tank.
Lol😂
3:27
" you're not a real lawyer "
The way Chuck delivered this line is really significant .. his voice was shaky and low and out of breath ..
It's the way you hear someone talk after being sullen for a minute and a half.. and then eventually reveal himself and say what he really believes ..
Jimmy didn't hear it well, and Chuck had to repeat it in a loud emphatic way ..
..
The acting here in this scene is really something 👌
This is why I love Vince’s writing. The core of the conflict isn’t a misunderstanding, one stupid action, or anything that could be easily solved. It’s two lifetimes of different philosophies and values trying to coexist due to blood relation. Eventually blood isn’t enough to overcome the depth of the difference. And that destroys the good in both men.
Everyone always gets the "blood is thicker than water" quote wrong - it's the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb. Namely, the bonds you make are more durable than the ones you were born with
That may be the most seamless I’ve seen someone act to show the transition from calmness to anger. Goes to show how good direction and acting goes way further than exposition. He doesn’t even tell chuck he knows but the expressions on both their faces tell everything.
This scene showed that Chuck loved his job more then he loved his brother. Jimmy up to this point loved his brother more then being a lawyer while enjoying what being a lawyer provided him.
there's an alternate universe where Chuck, Jimmy, Howard and Kim are leading HHM and are the best law firm in America.
The last 3 episodes of the first season of Better Call Saul got me so incredibly hooked on this show. Soon as Jimmy sniffed out Sand Piper and brought it to Chuck and they started working on it this show exploded for me. I still think Season 2 is one of the best seasons of any show iv ever watched. Brilliant
I wasn't a fan of season 2 tbh. Season 3 on the other hand is amazing
@@PolishGod1234 agreed, season 2 is great but definitely the weakest season, season 3 on the other hand is one of the greatest season of tv ever and arguably the best season of the show
I agree with you; this is when the show revealed the depth of the brothers' relationship, while giving us a major plot point/twist that changed everything. This is when it became a story that I cared about deeply. Before, there had been some entertaining stuff (the Kettlemens. getting Mike's back story, etc.), but the last three episodes gave BCS its grounding.
Honestly Seasons 3-6 and all of Breaking Bad Seasons are still better than Better Call Saul Season 2.
S2 was the weakest imo. Mikes story was good but Jimmy's was too slow. It took a whole season for a proper full out jimmy v chuck storyline?
I've cried in this scene man it penetrates into you when you see Jimmy :/
I remember watching this live and being blown away. I'd already seen the entirety of Breaking Bad (several times over) as well as some of the greatest movies ever made, yet I was still unprepared for how raw and real this felt. Such tremendous acting by Michael McKean, who wasn't nominated for an Emmy even once.
Funny thing is that someone as righteous and self-important as Chuck would just as easily abuse loopholes and laws in order to win cases, get rich, and hurt people. Lawyers are not good people inherently, they are intelligent and cunning, they have to be for that line of work, at least the successful ones.
Loopholes are legal. Chuck operated within the boundaries of the law.
Yes. We like Jimmy. But the truth is Jimmy was a criminal masquerading as a lawyer.
Chuck and Jimmy were mirror opposites.
I just wanna say it’s a tragedy Michael McKean and Bob Odenkirk never won anything for this show. They should’ve won something just for that scene. Broke my heart. Chuck had no right to take that case from him. He was just trying to teach him a lesson.
"Chimp with a machine gun" 😭
Chuck manipulates Jimmy, lies to him and is willing to use any devious means against him, to protect the law from manipulative lying and devious Jimmy, lol the irony
Exactly.
Chuck thought that Jimmy is still Slippin‘ Jimmy, but the fact that chuck himself was the reason jimmy got back in trouble is way more interesting
This was the point in the show where I went from feeling sorry for Chuck to hating his fucking guts for what an awful person he actually is. What horrible things to say, to *do* to your own brother.
The irony of this scene is here Jimmy out lawyers Chuck. Nails him in the cross examination. Even Chuck knows he is now trapped, look at his face. Slipping Jimmy out lawyers the legal legendary legend, with no defense now.
I'm not an acting student, but this scene comes off as a total masterclass in performance that should be studied for years to come.
Saddest thing is Jimmy did try. He tried to be a good lawyer and if chick had maybe given him a chance things would have turned out different but with chuck just refusing to believe Jimmy could do any good all he did was push him down the road to becoming Saul.
What kills me about this is that, to this point in the show, Jimmy was using his talents to actually get justice for people where the law was "legally" being manipulated to screw them over. After Chucks betrayal is when we really started seeing Saul come out.
Also, I think it's really clever how the hunch Jimmy gets here mirrors the hunch Chuck gets later on when Jimmy changed those legal documents.
Chuck was right. "The ends justify the means" for Jimmy. He will use any method to accomplish his goal. Legal or not.
Chuck knew it. We know it. Jimmy ends up w/life in prison.
@@OnYourSquare The early seasons showed that the legal system was failing to uphold justice and do right by people.
Jimmy's means only helped people at the expense of this system. It wasn't until Chuck taught him that the system is more valuable than the justice it brings that he started using those means to serve himself and abuse people, at which point he became Saul.
Jimmy valued doing the "right" thing, while Chuck valued doing the "correct" thing. In the end, Jimmy was the only one of the two able to live with his respective philosophy.
I think saying "Chuck was right" kind of misses the point.
@duffelpuffelmcduff1181 yes finally someone with a good response to the "Chuck was right" nonsense. Jimmy tried doing things the legal way. The correct way. The sandpiper dumpster scene for example, he made sure to tell his brother that its legal and Chuck agreed, and thats the whole reason for the sandpiper case to start in the first place, because he went about it the legal way. Yes jimmy made mistakes and wasn't always perfect but in season 1 there's always a pattern of him ultimately doing things the right way. Returning the kettlemen money, sandpiper case, helping kim get the kettlemens back. He had slippin Jimmy in him but it wasnt until Chuck discouraged him from doing the right thing that he stopped trying. Thats why the very next episode after confronting Chuck, he reunites with his scamming buddy. Chucks influence on Jimmy was huge. And chuck knew that. To the degree Chuck was right its because he knew Jimmy would end up listening to him, positive or negative.
@@Nikolai12 But that kinda proves Chuck's point, if the responsibility of Jimmy not turning into slippin Jimmy with a law degree is all on Chuck then he has every reason to be extremely upset and worried about that.