Thank you so much for this. I just got a few CVAs (wolf, optima, and Accura LR) for me and my boys. I truly had no clue what to get. Great to hear from someone with experience.
I have owned two CVA rifles. I still own one. The first was a 35 Whelen in the Scout VII. It had case head separation on the second shot I fired and everyone thereafter. I took it to my gunsmith and the rifle had excessive head space. I sent it back to CVA and they agreed with my gunsmith. They did not however have another .35 Whelen so I ended with a .444 Marlin. I like the .444 very much but it is not what I bought. I am not sure I will ever do business with CVA again.
i have the CVA Wolf in 50 cal. My recepie is this: 2 pellets/100 gr of Jim Shockey Gold, Power -Bwlt 230 gr hollow point or the green tip. At 100+ yds dropped my buck in Kentucky. He only went 15 feet. That power-Belt hollow point is a stopper for sure. Love the Jim Shockey Gold Powder. Now I guess they don't make it any more. Living in Trempeauleau County Wis now and can't find it anywhere. So saving that for hunting and use 777 for plinking at range. LOVE THE CVA'S, and so much fun to shoot.
I shot power belts for a number of years. I liked the way they loaded, and they shot a good group out of my gun. After myself and my brothers shot a pretty good number of deer. We learned they suck at killing deer. And I'm talking about good shots on deer. We all had the same experience with them. Many times they didn't exit. Stuck in the hide on the opposite side. Flattened out almost big as a quarter. Not good blood trails a lot of times either. I usually don't down products. But in this case I don't want to see others go through what it took us years to determine. Just so you know. 50 cal, 90 grains 777 was what we usually shot.
We have been using Hornady.45 hollow point 300 grain XTP Mag bullets and loading them in Harvester crush rib sabots. They do really good for us. That’s all one of my brothers has ever shot. And he’s killed a pile of deer. He never got into the grass is greener like a couple of us did. I went back to the XTPs. They worked for me years ago. If I hunted where I had longer shots I’d probably drop back to the 240 or 250 grain. I forgot which one they make. But my shots are almost always under 75 yards. I hunt the mountains pretty much always.
I use Hornady 250 gr. SST over 100 grains of Pyrodex pellets. Shoots 1 1/2 inch groups at 100 yards. I have taken 2 deer with this combo. One dropped on the spot, while the other ran about 75 yards. The only problem I had was on the deer that ran. The bullet did not pass through, and there was zero blood trail.
My Accura shoots the 300 grain Powerbelt Platinums well (1"). It also shoots the 338 grains well enough (1.5)" groups) but at 200 yards the groups get bigger (4"). The 300 grain Platinums stay under 2.5". I think a faster twist would keep the groups tighter at longer range with the heavier bullets. If the Accura 50 cal LRX came with a 1 in 24 twist ( love the free floatin barrel) I would buy one.
Thanks for the great info. Going to get a Javelina in AZ in a few weeks. I'll be packing my Optima in 50 cal. I use loose powder (because I live in Idaho and can't use pellets or copper bullets, or scopes), and a 245 grain hollow point Powerbelt. It should work well. Last year I missed one by a nose hair at 150 yards. I will not miss this year.
I use 2 Triple 7 Magnum pellets, that are 60gr each, with a Hornady 300gr SST in my Optima. Get great accuracy and good results on deer. The powerbelts I was using just didn't expand or dump energy in the deer, would almost always need a 2nd shot to finish them...
Ive found the sweet spot to be either 90 or 100gr of (blackhorn) loose powder works 10x better than them dusty ass pellets! They chip apart causing inconsistent shots they also shoot at lower velocities! Accuracy changes dramatically from 50 to 100 yards. I suggest shooting Barnes,Harvester or some Hornady XTP's in 300 gr. I have a CVA Accura V2 and it shoots 1" groups at 100 yards easy! Also take in mind you want the hottest buring 209 primer that you can find! Federal 209A is the best brand to shoot hands down! Dont go cheap guys use the right sabot/bullet combo with loose powder and clean your barrel after EVERY shot!! These guns are as accurate as any high caliber rifle i own ! Ive tested several brands over the course of 20 years once you find what gives you the best results stick with it !!! Goodluck !
Shot my optima today 21 Oct 20 after a frustrating day couple weeks ago shooting Hornady sst 250 g with pyrodex and 777 I ordered in 300 g 45 xtp and harvester crush rib sabots, behind 90 gr triple 7 I hold 2 inch groups at 100
Been shooting 100gr IMR White Hots with a 240gr XTP hollow point in T/C Mag Express Sabots through my Wolf since 2011. Going to try some different bullets this year to see if I can get better terminal performance because I've had issues with the XTP not getting enough penetration if it hits bone.
I use 100gr V of loose 777 2f powder in my wolf with a 250gr barnes Tez 1" groups 100yrd @ 1840 fps. I swabbed every shot with 99% isopropyl, then dry fire a primer to foul barrel.
Great content, keep putting out helpful information. Will you please put out info on long-range loads for the 45 cal mrx-x with the 26" barrel? Thank you.
I can not get get my north west wolf to group at all getting 12-15” groups at 100 yards I have changed peep sights tested the 250,295,325 just won’t group
Get on any muzzleloader forum and talk to the guys who get the best accuracy possible out of their muzzloaders and they arent using pellets and powerbelts. This is just a sales pitch. Will these combos kill game??? sure but your not getting the best results possible. How long does it really take to measure powder and put in a premeasured container??? or better yet buy a 15 dollar scale and weight your powder. The pellets and powerbelts fad is just to sucker in people who just want to be told what to buy and to dumb it down as much as possible. But will only a slight bit more effort you can really increase your performance
CVA owns the company that makes powerbelts Hmm… never shot good for me. A fixed charge of pellets never accurate enough to suit me either. Loose powder with sabot for best accuracy once you find your load your gun likes.
The box on the IMR Whitehots has a 50 Caliber Maximum Load Warning that says, “The maximum load should never exceed a total of two (2) IMR Preformed Charges. CAUTION: Some rifle manufacturers may recommend the use of a number of Preformed Charges in their rifles which exceeds the MAXIMUM LOAD WARNING from IMR. IMR specifically disclaims any and all liability arising out of the use of any data that exceeds our MAXIMUM LOAD WARNING and the user assumes all risks in doing so.”
The ELR bullet is a high ballistic coefficient bullet and is designed to be fired at high velocities. If you wanted to try the ELR in your muzzleloader I would recommend using a magnum charge of 150 grains of 777. With that load, you should be pretty accurate out to 300 yards.
got a cva wolf shooting two 50grain pettets with a powerbelt hollow point 295 grain also have 245 grain copper aero tip at 20 yards how high should i sight in to be dead on at 100 yards at 20 yards shooting at 20 yards is all i have in my back yard for both bullets please i has a konus shot scope 3by9by32 thanks deer season starts nov 7th with a muzzle loader in tn please all the help is appriciated cody
That depends on what you plan to hunt. If you are hunting deer then I would stick with the 245-grain but if you are hunting elk then I would use 295-grain.
Just ordered a CVA Optima V2 from you all yesterday. Can I shoot loose powder 777 or Blackhorn in it when it comes in or do I have to buy another breech plug for it?
I just go an optima v2 50 cal and I never shot anything over a 22 so I’m just Curious if I should start off with a 50 grains are going rate up to 100v?
You can start with 50-grains in order to get the feel of it but I wouldn't be afraid of a 100-grain charge. The CVA Optima with a 100-grain charge (measured by volume) of standard black powder substitute is very manageable.
@@MuzzleLoaderscom I really appreciate the reply I also have a following question do you recommend cleaning the barrel and everything before the first use or do you think it’ll be good to go right out the box ?
Definitely clean it up before you shoot it for the first time! I bought a Accura V2 LR a couple of months ago and it was pretty dirty and I got it from CVA!
I wonder how people justify the cost of this. Am I missing something? The reason I ask is because I would like to get into this, however, by the time you by the gun and the components, you can buy nearly any straight wall cartridge rifle and a couple hundred rounds of ammunition cheaper than an inline muzzleloader and it's components. The only acceptable powder out there for me would be Blackhorn 209 because I want to shoot, not spend my time swabbing the barrel. That is currently about $105 for 8oz., then add a $1.50 bullet and you are looking at around $3.50 a shot. That is extremely expensive with no advantage over something like a 450 Bushmaster straight wall cartridge. Is there a much cheaper place for components than I am finding?
It would seem like Overkill I think through a lot of guys because I'm using a 300 grain Platinum with 150 grains three pellets pellets I use now hodgon triple 7 I prefer 150 grains of powder over 100 because a lot of times wasn't getting a complete pass through exit hole John Deere and a lot of other hunters I've talked to using 100 grns didn't have passed through either not much of a blood trail without exit hole 100 grains will definitely do the job but I know for sure using 150 grns with heavy bullets its going to hit hard and blow through what im aiming at
I bought the cva wolf with a standard breech plug. Can I use loose powder with the standard plug? Or do I absolutely have to use the blackhorn 209 breech plug?
@@countryboyoutdoors642 thank you for your response it was alot of help. I'm probably going to get the blackhorn powder tomorrow. I've heard alot of great things about blackhorn 209 powder.
Well I guess compared to a lot of other hunters what I'm using for powder charge and bullet out of my CVA wolf would probably be Overkill to a lot of people from what I've seen different people are using
I kill a 7 pt with my wolf using 2 white hots and bore driver ftx 50 cal 209 grain the deer was 30 yards and the bullet didn't even make it threw the deer i don't think im using white hots next season
You can use a patched ball but yes 100 gr by volume or less I use 90. But the twist rate are much faster ( Wolf is 1/28) ( my patch ball gun are 1/66 ) but round ball out of a wolf are good for target shooting.
The only bullet that's shoots accurate in your cva is power belt bullets no others shoots well in the cva and I found out that cva own power belt bullets company but all said I've never had any problem with the power belt bullets. But alot people say they are not a good bullets. I've killed alot of deer and elk with them no problem. Alot people just like to complain about them because they don't have any thing to complain about and they just try to make powder belt look bad.and cva makes the best
They mushroom inside the deer and leave terrible blood trails! I've shot many of deer that took tons of tracking to find them. Perfect shot placement too! Idk man they are very accurate but they explode on impact basically I will never shoot power belt!
I disagree with you on the bore butter. I use it but wipe it clean with a dry patch. Doing this at every cleaning it increases the ability to load 6-7 shots and still group 1 in at 100 yards before it gets hard to load from the fouling. If I do not use it 3 shots and your struggling to get bullet seated and the group opens up to between 2-3 inches at 100 yards. I know every gun like something different but bore butter works great on my CVA optima.
What a waste of time. Try making a video using only Idaho legal things. Can't use a scope. Can't use powder pellets. Can't use 209 primers. Can't use most bullets available on the market.
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Thank you so much for this. I just got a few CVAs (wolf, optima, and Accura LR) for me and my boys. I truly had no clue what to get. Great to hear from someone with experience.
Thank you for taking the time to put this together. Just bought an Accura V2 LR that I can't wait to play with!
I have owned two CVA rifles. I still own one. The first was a 35 Whelen in the Scout VII. It had case head separation on the second shot I fired and everyone thereafter. I took it to my gunsmith and the rifle had excessive head space. I sent it back to CVA and they agreed with my gunsmith. They did not however have another .35 Whelen so I ended with a .444 Marlin. I like the .444 very much but it is not what I bought. I am not sure I will ever do business with CVA again.
i have the CVA Wolf in 50 cal. My recepie is this: 2 pellets/100 gr of Jim Shockey Gold, Power -Bwlt 230 gr hollow point or the green tip. At 100+ yds dropped my buck in Kentucky. He only went 15 feet. That power-Belt hollow point is a stopper for sure. Love the Jim Shockey Gold Powder. Now I guess they don't make it any more. Living in Trempeauleau County Wis now and can't find it anywhere. So saving that for hunting and use 777 for plinking at range. LOVE THE CVA'S, and so much fun to shoot.
I've only ever heard negative about Shockleys gold. I got a lgs with 3 bottles of the sticks and 2 bottles of loose powder.
I shot power belts for a number of years. I liked the way they loaded, and they shot a good group out of my gun. After myself and my brothers shot a pretty good number of deer. We learned they suck at killing deer. And I'm talking about good shots on deer. We all had the same experience with them. Many times they didn't exit. Stuck in the hide on the opposite side. Flattened out almost big as a quarter. Not good blood trails a lot of times either. I usually don't down products. But in this case I don't want to see others go through what it took us years to determine. Just so you know. 50 cal, 90 grains 777 was what we usually shot.
What do you like to use for good blood trails on whitetail?
We have been using Hornady.45 hollow point 300 grain XTP Mag bullets and loading them in Harvester crush rib sabots. They do really good for us. That’s all one of my brothers has ever shot. And he’s killed a pile of deer. He never got into the grass is greener like a couple of us did. I went back to the XTPs. They worked for me years ago. If I hunted where I had longer shots I’d probably drop back to the 240 or 250 grain. I forgot which one they make. But my shots are almost always under 75 yards. I hunt the mountains pretty much always.
I use Hornady 250 gr. SST over 100 grains of Pyrodex pellets. Shoots 1 1/2 inch groups at 100 yards. I have taken 2 deer with this combo. One dropped on the spot, while the other ran about 75 yards. The only problem I had was on the deer that ran. The bullet did not pass through, and there was zero blood trail.
My Accura shoots the 300 grain Powerbelt Platinums well (1"). It also shoots the 338 grains well enough (1.5)" groups) but at 200 yards the groups get bigger (4"). The 300 grain Platinums stay under 2.5". I think a faster twist would keep the groups tighter at longer range with the heavier bullets. If the Accura 50 cal LRX came with a 1 in 24 twist ( love the free floatin barrel) I would buy one.
Thanks for the great info. Going to get a Javelina in AZ in a few weeks. I'll be packing my Optima in 50 cal. I use loose powder (because I live in Idaho and can't use pellets or copper bullets, or scopes), and a 245 grain hollow point Powerbelt. It should work well. Last year I missed one by a nose hair at 150 yards. I will not miss this year.
Just purchased a optima can’t wait for it to arrive and thanks for the info on the bore butter.
Me too, I got the optima v2 nitride.
I use 2 Triple 7 Magnum pellets, that are 60gr each, with a Hornady 300gr SST in my Optima. Get great accuracy and good results on deer. The powerbelts I was using just didn't expand or dump energy in the deer, would almost always need a 2nd shot to finish them...
Ive found the sweet spot to be either 90 or 100gr of (blackhorn) loose powder works 10x better than them dusty ass pellets! They chip apart causing inconsistent shots they also shoot at lower velocities! Accuracy changes dramatically from 50 to 100 yards. I suggest shooting Barnes,Harvester or some Hornady XTP's in 300 gr. I have a CVA Accura V2 and it shoots 1" groups at 100 yards easy! Also take in mind you want the hottest buring 209 primer that you can find! Federal 209A is the best brand to shoot hands down! Dont go cheap guys use the right sabot/bullet combo with loose powder and clean your barrel after EVERY shot!! These guns are as accurate as any high caliber rifle i own ! Ive tested several brands over the course of 20 years once you find what gives you the best results stick with it !!! Goodluck !
Not looking for an argument but power belt would not be my bullet of choice. Hornady SST 250 or 300 grain possibly. Just saying!!!!
Shot my optima today 21 Oct 20 after a frustrating day couple weeks ago shooting Hornady sst 250 g with pyrodex and 777 I ordered in 300 g 45 xtp and harvester crush rib sabots, behind 90 gr triple 7 I hold 2 inch groups at 100
I’m new to muzzle loading, can you use pyrodex in the wolf?
Been shooting 100gr IMR White Hots with a 240gr XTP hollow point in T/C Mag Express Sabots through my Wolf since 2011. Going to try some different bullets this year to see if I can get better terminal performance because I've had issues with the XTP not getting enough penetration if it hits bone.
I use 100gr V of loose 777 2f powder in my wolf with a 250gr barnes Tez 1" groups 100yrd @ 1840 fps. I swabbed every shot with 99% isopropyl, then dry fire a primer to foul barrel.
Great content, keep putting out helpful information.
Will you please put out info on long-range loads for the 45 cal mrx-x with the 26" barrel?
Thank you.
I can not get get my north west wolf to group at all getting 12-15” groups at 100 yards I have changed peep sights tested the 250,295,325 just won’t group
Just picked up a wolf, super pumped.
Just picked up at Ultima looking to see what’s the best shot for deer hunting
You said that optima was in your safe? You left the CVA sticker on your optima?
I use Triple 7 pellets, Hornady Bore Drive bullets.
Just got a Wolf v2. Purchased the Blackhorn breech plug. Is that QRBP usable with RS, or White Hots?
Both the standard QRBP and the Blackhorn QRBP are compatible with RS and White Hots pellets.
Get on any muzzleloader forum and talk to the guys who get the best accuracy possible out of their muzzloaders and they arent using pellets and powerbelts. This is just a sales pitch. Will these combos kill game??? sure but your not getting the best results possible. How long does it really take to measure powder and put in a premeasured container??? or better yet buy a 15 dollar scale and weight your powder. The pellets and powerbelts fad is just to sucker in people who just want to be told what to buy and to dumb it down as much as possible. But will only a slight bit more effort you can really increase your performance
What's wrong with the pellets?? You didn't give any details to explain your theory 🤔
CVA owns the company that makes powerbelts Hmm… never shot good for me. A fixed charge of pellets never accurate enough to suit me either. Loose powder with sabot for best accuracy once you find your load your gun likes.
The box on the IMR Whitehots has a 50 Caliber Maximum Load Warning that says, “The maximum load should never exceed a total of two (2) IMR Preformed Charges. CAUTION: Some rifle manufacturers may recommend the use of a number of Preformed Charges in their rifles which exceeds the MAXIMUM LOAD WARNING from IMR. IMR specifically disclaims any and all liability arising out of the use of any data that exceeds our MAXIMUM LOAD WARNING and the user assumes all risks in doing so.”
CVA optima pro magnum 29" barrel, 120g loose triple 7 powder, 270g powerbelt Platinum
I love my Accura V2 PR 50 cal and use 777 pellets 100 gr with PB 295 gr bullet. Is that ELR bullet good for deer at 100 yds or less?
The ELR bullet is a high ballistic coefficient bullet and is designed to be fired at high velocities. If you wanted to try the ELR in your muzzleloader I would recommend using a magnum charge of 150 grains of 777. With that load, you should be pretty accurate out to 300 yards.
got a cva wolf shooting two 50grain pettets with a powerbelt hollow point 295 grain also have 245 grain copper aero tip at 20 yards how high should i sight in to be dead on at 100 yards at 20 yards shooting at 20 yards is all i have in my back yard for both bullets please i has a konus shot scope 3by9by32 thanks deer season starts nov 7th with a muzzle loader in tn please all the help is appriciated cody
Would like to go on a guided hunt in Montana
Question. Cva wolf would you run a 245 or 295 power belt copper hollow pt with T7 100gr pellets?
That depends on what you plan to hunt. If you are hunting deer then I would stick with the 245-grain but if you are hunting elk then I would use 295-grain.
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Why doesn't CBA make a 40 caliber Acura
Just ordered a CVA Optima V2 from you all yesterday. Can I shoot loose powder 777 or Blackhorn in it when it comes in or do I have to buy another breech plug for it?
I just go an optima v2 50 cal and I never shot anything over a 22 so I’m just Curious if I should start off with a 50 grains are going rate up to 100v?
You can start with 50-grains in order to get the feel of it but I wouldn't be afraid of a 100-grain charge. The CVA Optima with a 100-grain charge (measured by volume) of standard black powder substitute is very manageable.
@@MuzzleLoaderscom I really appreciate the reply I also have a following question do you recommend cleaning the barrel and everything before the first use or do you think it’ll be good to go right out the box ?
Definitely clean it up before you shoot it for the first time! I bought a Accura V2 LR a couple of months ago and it was pretty dirty and I got it from CVA!
is it safe to consistently shoot the $200 traditions wolf with 150 grains instead of your 100?
150 grain by volume blackhorn is 105 by weight isn't it? Not 90 like you said.
I wonder how people justify the cost of this. Am I missing something? The reason I ask is because I would like to get into this, however, by the time you by the gun and the components, you can buy nearly any straight wall cartridge rifle and a couple hundred rounds of ammunition cheaper than an inline muzzleloader and it's components. The only acceptable powder out there for me would be Blackhorn 209 because I want to shoot, not spend my time swabbing the barrel. That is currently about $105 for 8oz., then add a $1.50 bullet and you are looking at around $3.50 a shot. That is extremely expensive with no advantage over something like a 450 Bushmaster straight wall cartridge. Is there a much cheaper place for components than I am finding?
Did you say newer powders coming out?
Hearing some new stuff coming from Hodgdon this year, we will keep you updated!
I own a cva eclipse magnum. I shoot Hodgson Rs ffg powder, shooting 255 maxi hunter.
My question is 110 grain to much for that gun.
150 grains and platinum under 100 yrds bullet basically explodes and minimum to no expansion. I switched to Thor full bore bullets
It would seem like Overkill I think through a lot of guys because I'm using a 300 grain Platinum with 150 grains three pellets pellets I use now hodgon triple 7 I prefer 150 grains of powder over 100 because a lot of times wasn't getting a complete pass through exit hole John Deere and a lot of other hunters I've talked to using 100 grns didn't have passed through either not much of a blood trail without exit hole 100 grains will definitely do the job but I know for sure using 150 grns with heavy bullets its going to hit hard and blow through what im aiming at
I bought the cva wolf with a standard breech plug. Can I use loose powder with the standard plug? Or do I absolutely have to use the blackhorn 209 breech plug?
use standard breechhave exact gun
@@countryboyoutdoors642 awesome thank you. I really didn't want to pay 38 dollars for a new breech plug.
@@adamarthur9672 your welcome any thing else i can help u with
the black horn is very good out of a cva wolf i shot it out of a friends wolf with 245 grain powerbelts same hole 3 tiles at 50 yards
@@countryboyoutdoors642 thank you for your response it was alot of help. I'm probably going to get the blackhorn powder tomorrow. I've heard alot of great things about blackhorn 209 powder.
What kind of scope do you use?
thank you for the great info
What about primers.
Mopar 4×4 is my what i like and drive
Well I guess compared to a lot of other hunters what I'm using for powder charge and bullet out of my CVA wolf would probably be Overkill to a lot of people from what I've seen different people are using
I kill a 7 pt with my wolf using 2 white hots and bore driver ftx 50 cal 209 grain the deer was 30 yards and the bullet didn't even make it threw the deer i don't think im using white hots next season
Is the optma rifle and pistol basically the same gun except for the stock and barrel length?
Sort of, the biggest difference is the amount of powder each barrel can handle.
Can I use a patch and ball on them? 🤔
I heard you have to reduce the powder since the rifle twist is too fast. Ask a muzzleloader forum if need more details
You can use a patched ball but yes 100 gr by volume or less I use 90. But the twist rate are much faster ( Wolf is 1/28) ( my patch ball gun are 1/66 ) but round ball out of a wolf are good for target shooting.
The only bullet that's shoots accurate in your cva is power belt bullets no others shoots well in the cva and I found out that cva own power belt bullets company but all said I've never had any problem with the power belt bullets. But alot people say they are not a good bullets. I've killed alot of deer and elk with them no problem. Alot people just like to complain about them because they don't have any thing to complain about and they just try to make powder belt look bad.and cva makes the best
They mushroom inside the deer and leave terrible blood trails! I've shot many of deer that took tons of tracking to find them. Perfect shot placement too! Idk man they are very accurate but they explode on impact basically I will never shoot power belt!
I disagree with you on the bore butter. I use it but wipe it clean with a dry patch. Doing this at every cleaning it increases the ability to load 6-7 shots and still group 1 in at 100 yards before it gets hard to load from the fouling. If I do not use it 3 shots and your struggling to get bullet seated and the group opens up to between 2-3 inches at 100 yards. I know every gun like something different but bore butter works great on my CVA optima.
This guy looks and sounds like used car salesman on a Larry the cable guy movie
150 gr by volume is NOT 90 gr by weight. It is 105…BH209
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That guy is so full of crap you can’t find primers on their website they’re always sold out the same thing with a 50 caliber bullets
What a waste of time. Try making a video using only Idaho legal things. Can't use a scope. Can't use powder pellets. Can't use 209 primers. Can't use most bullets available on the market.
Those all .50 cal?