Two things: the ELR bullet was designed to be fired originally from the CVA Paramount MZ with a 1:22 twist rate. My CVA Accura LR has a twist rate of 1:28. I had read more than one outdoor writer say the slower twist rate will not stabilize the ELR projectile sufficiently. Anyone wanting to shoot the Thor bullets needs to first buy their test sizing pack that consists of 4 sample bullets ranging in size from .500 to .503 diameter so the specific bore on your MZ can be checked. The Hammer bullets from Thor are bore specific to give you the optimum accuracy in your specific MZ. The Lightning bullets from Thor are just a generic .50 caliber. I don’t know if you mentioned it, but I assume you were using Blackhorn 209 for your powder
Just bought 2 new wolfs with the konus scopes. All the videos about accuracy have md concerned. Ive been muzzleloader hunting for 40 years. Ive had knight inline. Great accuracy. I bought the cheapest Thomps6center available a few years ago. Super accurate. It was like plinking with a 22, thats how accurate it was. Taking the wolfs to the range tomorrow. Hope I'm not disappointed.
Bobby, I found the wolf's pretty damn accurate after load testing. Mine really likes 84gr by weight of BH. And a 250 TEZ barnes with federal blue primers.
Cleaning the breech plugs flash channel ( no, not the flast hole ) with the proper sized drill bit is crucial to obtaining accuracy. These new CVA MRx guns are a mess as far as quality goes. Barrels off center in the frame, tilted forearms, inconsistent bore sizes in 45cal, adjustable trigger is not adjustable. When they first came out with the Accura and then the Accura V2, those were actually great! You could adjust triggers down to 2lbs. Your lucky if you can adjust them down to 3.5lbs these days.
I've always shot front stuffer by volume, but if always used a powder measures to make the loads. Even with (speedloader) I always pre measure then transfer to the (loader). Mass production charge containers will never be even halfway close.
I have developed a new cartridge for muzzleloading rifles which is loaded from the muzzle but ejects itself from the barrel after use and is non-corrosive. This product sets a new standard in safety and reliability for muzzleloader ammunition in the same way shotgun shells are standardized for use in shotguns. Shotshells have a load of shot and powder which produce a safe pressure in shotguns manufactured by many different companies. The pressure produced by this cartridge can be designed to work safely in the muzzleloaders produced by the various manufacturers. It would also greatly help new muzzleloader shooters with safety, and it would also give them a product which will not destroy the barrel of their muzzleloader due to corrosive residue.
Those who say smokeless powder cannot be used in a muzzleloader may not know “Blackhorn 209” is 83% smokeless powder, based on the MSD sheet for the product. Therefore, the claim that smokeless powder cannot be used safely in a muzzleloader falls apart very quickly. This cartridge could also be loaded with BH209 or a similar formulation in states which do not allow "smokeless" powder during muzzleloader season, in the same way the breechloading "Firestick" cartridge is now used in the "Nitrofire" muzzleloader. This would be a "Muzzlestick" cartridge which would work in thousands of other modern muzzleloaders, which cannot use the "Firestick" cartridge. This cartridge can also be removed from inline muzzleloaders by removing the breechplug. I am now looking for a company willing to mass produce this new cartridge for the market. I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass this information along to those you know who may be interested in this new product.
A link is found below which demonstrates this new product.
I'd.love to see some groups shit using this brake. I recently purchased it haven't gotten to do much testing. I'd love to see before and after. I've seen brakes ruin accuracy. My MR-X is a tac driver with straight bore. I know my poi is different but haven't seen groups yet. Would love to see someone shoot some groups with the 45 and elr's with a brake
Maybe someone has already touched on this, but I was curious if the manufacturing issues have since been sorted out with the plastic conicle on the ELR?
I purchased a CVA paramount HTR 40 cal in 2021 and had an incredible amount of trouble with accuracy. I double measured my blackhorn 209 powder on digital scales. I purchased a 2k dollar Huskemaw blue diamond scope with Tally rings and bases. When shooting I shot off Atlas bipods and a rear bag. I measured my descending powder charges by .5 increments to find what volume of powder my gun liked best. After several trips to the range and spending $600 dollars in aftermarket Arrowhead parts trying to improve accuracy I ended up returning my gun to CVA because the best grouping I could get was 12 inch group at 100 yards.(I dont claim to be the best shooter but with my other rifles I group MOA or better). I had bullets hitting the target completely sideways at multiple powder charges. I believe there are more underlying accuracy issues with CVA muzzleloaders especially if the company comes out and makes a youtube video about accuracy issues... I had a rep from CVA tell me that the amount of money you spend on a rifle and equipment doesnt mean you will be a good shooter.... my reply was well you get what you pay for and when someone spends $1200 on a muzzleloader and roughly $3500 total you would expect MOA groupings at minimum.... blackpowder or not.
That's a rediculous amount of money to spend on a production muzzleloader. For that amount go custom. My CVA MRX is very very accurate and effective. Thor bullets sized to my bore, Blackhorn powder, can't go wrong. Oh and an AO muzzle brake along with Williams Western Precision sights
@@slateroutdoors8701 custom builders: McWhorter Arrowhead Hankins LR Customs MT Customs R Bros GunWerks Garnetts Precision Arms Mesa Precision Arms Nielsen Custom Rifles There’s many more but I’ll stop there. That’s where I’d start. I went with McWhorter.
How and how often you clean the bore makes quite a difference in accuracy too… along with powder used, and how it’s stored after breaking the seal… then there’s primer selection…
Low Pressure 50 Caliber Smokeless Loads in a 209 Factory Muzzleloader, 2 DVD set | eBay These 2 DVDs contain a demonstration of using Low Pressure Smokeless Loads in a 50 caliber factory muzzleloader.
What's all this talk about a MASSIVE recoil from a CVA muzzleloader?? I don't notice it at all... No brake either. Just be smart. Just because you CAN use a magnum load of powder or pellets.. Doesn't mean you have to. I just clover leafed 3 Hornady 240 grain hollow points at 100 yards....
Two things: the ELR bullet was designed to be fired originally from the CVA Paramount MZ with a 1:22 twist rate. My CVA Accura LR has a twist rate of 1:28. I had read more than one outdoor writer say the slower twist rate will not stabilize the ELR projectile sufficiently. Anyone wanting to shoot the Thor bullets needs to first buy their test sizing pack that consists of 4 sample bullets ranging in size from .500 to .503 diameter so the specific bore on your MZ can be checked. The Hammer bullets from Thor are bore specific to give you the optimum accuracy in your specific MZ. The Lightning bullets from Thor are just a generic .50 caliber. I don’t know if you mentioned it, but I assume you were using Blackhorn 209 for your powder
Great information. Yes we use Blackhorn 209.
Just bought 2 new wolfs with the konus scopes. All the videos about accuracy have md concerned. Ive been muzzleloader hunting for 40 years. Ive had knight inline. Great accuracy. I bought the cheapest Thomps6center available a few years ago. Super accurate. It was like plinking with a 22, thats how accurate it was. Taking the wolfs to the range tomorrow. Hope I'm not disappointed.
How'd it go at the range?
Bobby, I found the wolf's pretty damn accurate after load testing. Mine really likes 84gr by weight of BH. And a 250 TEZ barnes with federal blue primers.
Thanks for the video! Just bought a MR-X and looking to start shooting it!!
Get after it.
Cleaning the breech plugs flash channel ( no, not the flast hole ) with the proper sized drill bit is crucial to obtaining accuracy. These new CVA MRx guns are a mess as far as quality goes. Barrels off center in the frame, tilted forearms, inconsistent bore sizes in 45cal, adjustable trigger is not adjustable. When they first came out with the Accura and then the Accura V2, those were actually great! You could adjust triggers down to 2lbs. Your lucky if you can adjust them down to 3.5lbs these days.
Great insight and feedback.
I've always shot front stuffer by volume, but if always used a powder measures to make the loads. Even with (speedloader)
I always pre measure then transfer to the (loader). Mass production charge containers will never be even halfway close.
Good Advice.
What about sabot projectiles with the muzzle break? Thanks
I have developed a new cartridge for muzzleloading rifles which is loaded from the muzzle but ejects itself from the barrel after use and is non-corrosive. This product sets a new standard in safety and reliability for muzzleloader ammunition in the same way shotgun shells are standardized for use in shotguns. Shotshells have a load of shot and powder which produce a safe pressure in shotguns manufactured by many different companies. The pressure produced by this cartridge can be designed to work safely in the muzzleloaders produced by the various manufacturers. It would also greatly help new muzzleloader shooters with safety, and it would also give them a product which will not destroy the barrel of their muzzleloader due to corrosive residue.
Those who say smokeless powder cannot be used in a muzzleloader may not know “Blackhorn 209” is 83% smokeless powder, based on the MSD sheet for the product. Therefore, the claim that smokeless powder cannot be used safely in a muzzleloader falls apart very quickly.
This cartridge could also be loaded with BH209 or a similar formulation in states which do not allow "smokeless" powder during muzzleloader season, in the same way the breechloading "Firestick" cartridge is now used in the "Nitrofire" muzzleloader. This would be a "Muzzlestick" cartridge which would work in thousands of other modern muzzleloaders, which cannot use the "Firestick" cartridge.
This cartridge can also be removed from inline muzzleloaders by removing the breechplug.
I am now looking for a company willing to mass produce this new cartridge for the market. I would greatly appreciate it if you would pass this information along to those you know who may be interested in this new product.
A link is found below which demonstrates this new product.
UA-cam video: “Self-Ejecting Muzzleloader Safety Cartridge: Product Debut (short version)”
We will take a look at it.
Thats a pretty slick system. If its remotely cost effective it would be something I am interested in. Love to see more about it.
@@AnarchyOutdoorsOfficial
Watch the UA-cam video on the new "Nitro-Breech Muzzleloader" (Harry M. Pope method), which is "Self-Cleaning".
I'd.love to see some groups shit using this brake. I recently purchased it haven't gotten to do much testing. I'd love to see before and after. I've seen brakes ruin accuracy. My MR-X is a tac driver with straight bore. I know my poi is different but haven't seen groups yet. Would love to see someone shoot some groups with the 45 and elr's with a brake
Its on the video board. Thanks for bumping it up.
Maybe someone has already touched on this, but I was curious if the manufacturing issues have since been sorted out with the plastic conicle on the ELR?
I purchased a CVA paramount HTR 40 cal in 2021 and had an incredible amount of trouble with accuracy. I double measured my blackhorn 209 powder on digital scales. I purchased a 2k dollar Huskemaw blue diamond scope with Tally rings and bases. When shooting I shot off Atlas bipods and a rear bag. I measured my descending powder charges by .5 increments to find what volume of powder my gun liked best. After several trips to the range and spending $600 dollars in aftermarket Arrowhead parts trying to improve accuracy I ended up returning my gun to CVA because the best grouping I could get was 12 inch group at 100 yards.(I dont claim to be the best shooter but with my other rifles I group MOA or better). I had bullets hitting the target completely sideways at multiple powder charges. I believe there are more underlying accuracy issues with CVA muzzleloaders especially if the company comes out and makes a youtube video about accuracy issues...
I had a rep from CVA tell me that the amount of money you spend on a rifle and equipment doesnt mean you will be a good shooter.... my reply was well you get what you pay for and when someone spends $1200 on a muzzleloader and roughly $3500 total you would expect MOA groupings at minimum.... blackpowder or not.
That's a rediculous amount of money to spend on a production muzzleloader. For that amount go custom. My CVA MRX is very very accurate and effective. Thor bullets sized to my bore, Blackhorn powder, can't go wrong. Oh and an AO muzzle brake along with Williams Western Precision sights
@@drylakesranch9880 arrowhead custom muzzleloaders are starting at $5500 and go upwards on $10-12K. any suggestions to custom muzzleloaders?
Thanks for you comments.
@@slateroutdoors8701 custom builders:
McWhorter
Arrowhead
Hankins
LR Customs
MT Customs
R Bros
GunWerks
Garnetts Precision Arms
Mesa Precision Arms
Nielsen Custom Rifles
There’s many more but I’ll stop there. That’s where I’d start. I went with McWhorter.
@@pantelismendonis8101 went with arrowhead. just waiting for it to be finished. thx for the list !!!
How and how often you clean the bore makes quite a difference in accuracy too… along with powder used, and how it’s stored after breaking the seal… then there’s primer selection…
Thanks for the information.
That as well.
The only one out of those is the ACP load it rotates at about 210 yards so all these work excellent at 300yards.
Thanks for the comment.
Low Pressure 50 Caliber Smokeless Loads in a 209 Factory Muzzleloader, 2 DVD set | eBay
These 2 DVDs contain a demonstration of using Low Pressure Smokeless Loads in a 50 caliber factory muzzleloader.
Get idea!!!
I use a tube to measure but always the same one. Then i transfer the powder into a quick loader.
Awesome.
Is their aftermarket triggers for the Mr-x?
I am not sure at this time.
I would not try to compare them because it depends of your hunt or purpose. Just practice and do it safely.
Thanks for your comment.
Explain to me how a bullet can be mid to entry level, bullcrap, the problem is people don't want to spend time at the range working up the load
Thanks for the feed back.
I use t7 powder what should that be weight be in grains
You will need to look up the powder and see what is safe.
Powder measured and powder weighed is different
Yes one is volume base and one is weight based.
The Bargara barrel is the problem. You can't fix the accuracy problem.
I noticed the weight of the power belts aren't consistent......For the amount that is charged, they should always weigh the same.
Totally agree.
Why dont you just ues patched round ball problem solved
We will have to look into that.
What is the twist rate?
Modern inlines use a different twist rate. Not really designed for patch and ball, just like a flintlock isn't designed for sabots and powerbelts
All I hear is things to improve accuracy. For $800, you should be able to put 100 grain of powder in it and any bullet and it should hit at a 100 yd.
But you can always make things better.
I mean I also bought a $200 ruger 10/22 and have dropped hundreds of dollars into It now changing barrels, triggers, bolts, chassis, I’m here for It!
What's all this talk about a MASSIVE recoil from a CVA muzzleloader?? I don't notice it at all... No brake either. Just be smart. Just because you CAN use a magnum load of powder or pellets.. Doesn't mean you have to. I just clover leafed 3 Hornady 240 grain hollow points at 100 yards....
Compared to my 6mm I shoot most of the time it has a lot of muzzle rise and recoil.
they like power belt bullets and 100 grains of powder
Thanks for the information.
Money doesn't fix stupidity
Thanks for your comment.
If they had money, they wouldn't buy garbage tier muzzleoader?
Who can't be accurate when your using a scope and a bench rest..................
You cant fix an MRX.
Thanks for the comment.
That showed zero about how accurate it is that just showed shooting it in a open ground 😂😂
I will make him shoot some groups.
No.5 Do not shoot out of a lead sled. Are you going to carry a sled around with you when you are hunting? Learn to shoot without it.
This is a bench shot. We dont carry a lead sled around. Nor do we use one that often.
Dude when you're zeroing a rifle you want to be sturdy as possible. After you Sight the gun in THEN you practice
Varg8696 is completely right. How can you know how you’re actually shooting if you don’t have a good idea what the gun itself is doing?
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@@dangraham9307wow people are dumb 😂
I use:
PowerBelt AeroLite Aerotip Bullet 300 Grain AC1552AT
PowerBelt AeroLite Aerotip Bullet 250 Grain AC1550AT
PowerBelt AeroTip Bullet Copper Plated 295 Grain AC1595AT
PowerBelt Copper Plated Hollow Point Bullet 295 Grain AC1595
PowerBelt Copper Plated Hollow Point Bullet 245 Grain AC1589
Lehigh Defense Bullets (458 Diameter) 380 Grain Solid Copper Wide Flat Nose Black
Lehigh Defense Bullets (452 Diameter) 300 Grain Solid Copper Wide Flat Nose Black
Lehigh Defense Bullets 45 Caliber (451 Diameter) 230 Grain .451 caliber, 265 grain Wide Flat Nose Black
Montana Bullet Works 45 Colt, LBT, 250gr, WFN-PB .451 Grain Black
Montana Bullet Works 45 ACP, LBT, 230gr, LFN-PB .451 Grain Black
Montana Bullet Works 45 ACP, LBT, 200gr, SWC-PB .451 Grain Black
Thompson Center Cheap Shot Sabot 50 Caliber with 240 Grain Lead Hollow Point Black
LeHigh Defense Controlled Fracturing 44 Caliber (429 Diameter) 330 Grain Subsonic Green
Lehigh Defense Bullets 44 Caliber (429 Diameter) 265 Grain Wide Flat Nose Lead-Free Bullets Green
Montana Bullet Works 44 Mag, LBT, 330gr, WFN-PB .430 Grain Green
Lehigh Defense Bullets (.400 Diameter) Controlled Fracturing Muzzleloader 195gr Bullet Blue
Lehigh Defense Bullets (.400 Diameter) Wide Flat Nose 190gr Bullet Blue
Great information.