I just like the reboot and Ultimate Alien. They’re just my 2 favorite versions of Ben 10. Mainly since I like it when the aliens get power ups like Ultimate forms and Omni Enhancements, but also since I’m not a fan of the whole secret identity thing they did in Classic and early Alien Force. I get why they did it, but it seems too stressful.
Why cant we accept that people love their own variant of the show some love classic other like alien force/ultimate alien and some like omniverse it how we can come together with our love for Ben 10
Welcome to the internet, this debate isnt new, from star trek, star wars,doctor who transformers, etc There is always those who make such broad strokes rather then developing indivudal opinions and cristisms of each adaptation and how each of these series differences be they strengths or flaws to you can be looked at constructively.
6:51 boy let me tell ya after watching Kuro's breakdowns, I can tell that Omniverse has one of the best animations from Cartoon Network, considering there are some scenes where there is so much thought put into them, and the art style is great, in some regards it's better than UAF and AF as there's no more darker backgrounds even tho sometimes it fits, but I would say Omniverse art style is at least a 7/10 compared to what there is now on CN
I love all versions of Ben10 but I hate it when I criticize something from the 5 shows that means people think I'm hating on the show in it's entirety for example there's a lot of recons I don't like about omniverse but that doesn't mean I love all the recons in UAF
Ben 10 in a whole is a magical IP. One of the most memoral series of my childhood. I hate fanbases of things i love. Its cringe to watch them. The best is to ignore them and apreciate what we have
@@BuzzPrincess12 Meh, I personally prefer the cosmic eldritch abomination over the forever knights. I also don't think they necessarily threw out george in favor of Dagon(It seems like Dagon and the Esoterica were the plan from the beginning, and the forever knights were secondary antagonists). However, sacrificing them both for yet more Vilgax is really lame.
@BuzzPrincess12 it's been a bit since ive watched UAF but iirc, isn't George less a villian and more misunderstood? I mean sure it's a beaten to death trope but they do it in a really logical way
He did NOT just say he's speaking on the behalf of the community I love every show (not the biggest fan of Alien Swarm) and i dont like these people who only exist to rage bait
I know this is a different show but something very similar happened with Pokemon, when going from XY (a show which was pretty serious and dark like UAF) To the Sun and Moon (a show which was more relaxed and less serious) was hated due to the art style as well, but when you ignore the art style and watch it.. It has a great story and very similar to Omniverse in a way. Great Animation and Character moment.. So yeah I seen this to but the show gets alot of praise and love now days
Oh yeah because when pokémon transition to sun and moon a lot of people stop watching pokémon because of how awful the show look and I think that's the problem with omniverse is that you changed it at the height of its popularity just to quote unquote have better animation and I get it you want good animation but you sacrifice great animation design and start making the main character so silly and goofy to the point where people are just like we're done you know and I think that's what Omniverse did is some mistake that I think a lot of people don't want to admit like hey they made this drastic change that didn't work for most people and instead of trying to tell people like oh it was the best version of the show it might be but if the show is ugly to look at or if it feels too silly and wacky to most people people aren't going to watch it and I think that's why a lot of people ignore pokémon Sun and Moon and Omniverse because of their designs there might be good moments and there might be moments that people like to reference but for the most part people don't really talk about them like that in a good way because of how ugly they look
I remembered the time when Omniverse was first airing, people were trashing on omniverse, stating that Ultimate Alien was the 'true' end of Ben 10 series and they didn't like the artsyle of omniverse (The most common complaint before the retcon complaints happen). Then the Reboot came and their narrative changed from 'Omniverse sucks' to 'Omniverse wasn't that bad'
Ok now I'm glad I don't have to hide I secretly like some parts of the reboot such as the vilgax Type Specials it'll sometimes has or Kevin having an Omnitrix or some of the designs
12 year old me absolutely hated omniverse when it came out. It was such a shift from the UAF era and I just didn't give it a chance. While I don't think omniverse is anywhere near the level of Alien Force S1 and S2, I see it in a much better light now
I’m a fan of every Ben 10 series in the original timeline, they all have their strengths. The original series was fun and creative, a really great start to the series. Alien Force had the best characterization and UA had the best arcs. Omniverse had the best art style plus I loved the multiverse. There’s something to praise and love about every show
Absolutely loved the video such great takes on the fandom recently I’ve thought about maybe becoming a Ben 10 tuber myself with my own original channel and name
By the way @DanBoyWonder I am happy with your progress cause the last time I was on UA-cam and on your channel you were at 1k Suscribers and now you have reached 11k so it makes me happy seeing your chanel grow
I mean you have to remember a lot of people watched Ben 10 Ben 10 alien Force and Ultimate alien so a lot of these people grew up with it when you make a drastic change to the show you can't get mad that the fan said hell no You know and you see how people have to wait until later on after the show ended in order for people to come back because somebody said oh give it a chance but the problem is at the time that since Ben 10 was cartoon network's most popular thing making a drastic change like that can kill the ratings which it did That's why people don't really care for Omniverse because Omniverse did something unnecessary and drastically changed the art style and decided to get too silly You can't go from silly silly 10-year-old then mature 15-year-old then joke y irresponsible college boy with a multiverse story like most people really don't even care about multiverses too so that's another turn off too and you got rid of Kevin and Gwen when Kevin and Gwen been around since forever That's a hard sell to most people so I don't think it's Joy I think is you drastically change the show and design of the characters at the height of his popularity so you kind of tend to shoot yourself in the foot in a metaphorical sense and fans aren't obligated to give something a chance just because they wanted to try something new it's your job as the creator to keep the momentum going and instead of being 10 keeping the momentum going after ultimate alien they changed it to Omniverse which had people questioning what the hell was y'all thinking
@treymykel Half of what you said is correct but the other half is wrong. Foe instance, Ben in Omniverse is much more mature than Ben in Ultimate Alien. Hes around the same maturity as Alien Force, but a pacing almost similar to Classic that fluctuates back to Alien Force. The concept that Ben in Omniverse is immature is misinformation from these haters themselves. The ratings in Omniverse were also unnafected by these angry fans. The show still went on for 4 seasons, just as much as Alien Force. The people that genuienly disliked the show and just refused to watch Omniverse, at the time, were oldheads too stuck up in their ways, and they are not the target audience. Real fans stuck to the show and liked it, while new fans came in. If the "rating" on Omniverse really went down, then its as irrelevant as IGN hating the Sonic Franchise but not reflecting how popular and enjoyed it still is.
@@treymykel Alien force made a drastic change when it removed max from the trio stop pretending that Ben in uaf was mature because he wasn’t after alien force season 2 he reverted back to his 10 year old self don’t act like omniverse is responsible for that and u do realize alien force was losing rating aswell right? There a reason why Ben was so inconsistent after season 3 because of network influence
To me every series as equal amount of pros & cons each are great, if u don’t don’t like a season/series that’s ok but don’t say ur opinion is the opinion of all.
My problems with the community is from the reaction side of it Alot of B10 fans constantly nag reactors to watch UA and OV especially when Ben 10 doesn’t win any polls against other shows. Most still don’t realize or care that those 2 series aren’t streaming anywhere, you google where to watch UA and it sends you on a wild goose chase. You practically gotta pirate just to watch it
@ im pretty sure another reactor Kysept KA will start omniverse, he’s almost done UA. And i recently found another reactor Suwaydthefirst he just finished AF and seems really really into further ben10 episodes
Very, very well said, man! Admittedly I used to be a staunch UA hater, but even with the arcs I don’t like or the odd handling of their characters, it’s not as bad as I remember and honestly the filler in it was arguably more entertaining than in AF imo. I think a lot of what influenced my opinion back in the day was the hate bandwagon against OV and how people elevated UA, overlooking every problem but hyper focusing on OV’s minor ones. I can agree now that each series has so much to offer, even at its lowest. I don’t always like every idea or characterization, but to say none of it was good/influential is just biased. I think this video does a great job illustrating that the franchise as a whole is flawed, yet still really enjoyable across the board and more people need to engage with it critically while understanding what each of em are going for.
It’s always good to see videos like this as they help the community grow and improve. It’s a miracle that the Ben 10 community has lasted as long as it as.
I mean all three eras (OS, UAF, OV) have their own advantages and disadvantages. I find it strange how some people attack Omniverse. Although the creators clearly had the task of refreshing the brand, which, as for me, they success, combined the carefree atmosphere of adventure from OS and the plot-oriented foundation of UAF. As for me, Omniverse is no better or worse than UAF, it's just different
I recently watched all four shows after so many years because I never got to see em all in their entirety and I thought they were all really good in their own way I went in with no knowledge of the fandom and yet was surprised that most stories and characters I liked or disliked had opposite opinions from fans which is still ok in my book
I think what people also fail to realize is loving a series or franchise, means you can also criticize it fairly for things you don't like, without outright hating the show, like what you did in this video. People making shouting matches about EVERYTHING is one of the worst parts of any fandom, in general, unfortunately.
great job making this so clean and open to the extended fanbase. I might have to revisit ominverse in the future. you do a fantastic job covering Ben 10 content.
You know as for me I literally love all the shows(except for reboot especially for what they did to Alien X other than that I kinda like it) cause even tho they are perfect in their own way they each have their own flaws as well and God I wished that the show didn't regress Ben's character every time
@@yousufkhurram9585 Yes, they can do whatever they want with these characters and aliens, but that doesnt change the fact that they are way more lame than the originals
@@meganek0597 i wouldnt say theyre better either but its abt opinion and we are not the age group for the show.they still dont ruin the ben 10 image or franchise so nothing is wrong with it.plus characters like the forever king is better so not all characters are worse
The problem with the Ben 10 fandom is that people hate when things aren't exactly what they want and if people like something they don't like or dislike something they like they HAVE to call them out even if it's just harmless opinions I have no problem saying I like Omniverse the most but I still like the other three series, but apparently a lot of people hate this idea
Even though my favorite of the four series in AF, I absolutely love Omniverse and honestly feel like it had the potential to be the best out of the four. But Omniverse's major flaw is that it had many inappropriate jokes, e.i in the finale Ben saw a giant smoothie as the closest thing to his heart instead of IDK Grampa Max? Also, as bad as duped, fools gold and Clyde 5 were, the worst Ben 10 Episode by FAR was "So long and thanks for all the smothies".
To me there’s no definitive best Ben 10 show because what one lacks the other(s) usually have and vice versa. For me my personal favorite is classic followed by Omniverse, UAF, and the reboot. Classic has the coolest world building, Omniverse has my favorite art style and Omnitrix design, UAF has my favorite team dynamic, and the reboot has my favorite voice acting especially with Yuri Lowenthal’s Vilgax.
I’m glad you gave the reboot some praise, I’ve always said that it’s the worst of the Ben 10 shows but one of if not the best reboot ever made. I do like the gimmicks and some of the arcs are pretty entertaining. I say just start the reboot on the last two episodes because, before this, it was an one off episodes type of shows.
Yeah, I agree it's probably biggest flaw of this community, fanboys of certain Ben 10 series will choose other series to blindly shit on, instead of appreciate what their favorite one gave them and what good things series they like the least have. It mainly happens between UA and OV fans.
Is ironic, this fandom has the same issues the transformers fandom has when it comes to fighting over whats the best show for their franchise and is getting ridiculous when someone does one tweet or post about something the hate/not like a war starts between two sides. As someone who been a fan of Ben 10 and Transformers for a lot years it just sucks sometimes man.
UA has always been my favorite since I rewatched it non-stop as a kid, but I've also always loved OV. The artstyle change never bothered me since thr artstyle from UAF was also different from classic's. Most of my favorite lines also come from UA with 'Yeah, I lied', Ben's entire speech to the Forever Knights during The purge and my all time favorite line 'Look Gwen, you have to treat a car like a woman. Go on. No, I sense I've made a mistake of some kind.' But while my favorite lines come from UA, my favorite scene comes from OV with the whole No watch Ben and Professor Paradox scene redirecting te omnitrix to Ben prime. All shows are great, but by no means flawless
I remember when I finished ultimate alien I was gonna completely skip Omniverse cause I didn't like the art style, but after I gave it a shot. I really enjoyed it
We just need a new Ben 10 iteration that takes the best elements of all 5 shows 🙏🏽. I’m just tired of franchise being so.. inconsistent ever since Classic..
honestly this is just a problem when it comes to long running series and or franchises in general, to give a few example when it comes to Transformers G1 fans will refuse to acknowledge anything else that isnt or came after G1 and trash on em, same goes for the Bayverse fans as well. Another example is with Dragon Ball with DBZ fans trashing on anything else that isnt DBZ. As much as i wish that we all can just respectfully enjoy our own shit without bringing down another these types of people unfortunately will always spawn no matter the fandom, even more so when it comes to long running series/franchises.
Yeah, the excessive hate and bashing on both sides has grown out of control and is ridiculous. I personally still strongly dislike OV, for reasons that I admit are mostly personal, but even I will recognize it has some really good moments. Personally I think it's just a vicious cycle. Back when AF came out everyone hated it for not being like the classic series, but eventually it aged well and was recognized as great. But then OV came out and tried to be more like classic, which AF fans resented, causing them to bash it. But then OV got its fans, and said fans resented UAF fans bashing their show so they started bashing UA in return, which opened old wounds among AUF fans of their era being bashed for not being like classic, causing them to bash back, and so on.
omniverse is actually my favorite part of ben 10, like omniverse is basically the perfect way to end the franchise sucks that they had to cancel it and we didn't get more seasons of it because i really wanted to see how much character development ben will have after beating maltraunt
Honestly I was skeptical when OV trailers were around but I was 12, and within a few episodes I grew to really appreciate OV, and I think anyone who disregards it for its difference in art style is missing out. Yes OV has many issues, especially doing a certain tennis player dirty, but as far as the arcs in OV go, they are shorter but more well handled than UA for the most part imo. UA however should be appreciated too. Its flaws suck but those episodes you named as good episodes really are a lot of fun and solid. The only episodes you gotta force me to watch are Eye of the Beholder, and especially Duped. I love the development of the alien force trio during early alien force but seeing them be so communicative in UA is easily one of its strongest pros, especially Kevin, idk wether his talk with Ben in Perplexahedron or his speech in Ultimate Sacrifice is better, but both are so damn good
Classic great, AF the first two seasons absolutely great. Season 3 you know not the most favoritive season, UA had great concept mediocre execution, OV probably my second favorite of the five shows, and the reboot suffers UA’s concepts VS execution but it’s not bad it’s just not perfect
as a kid i loved classic and omniverse and i didn't like UAF to point i skipped most of the series only liking the ulaimte aliens but then after reboot came out i went back and watched all of UAF and enjoyed it.
My ranking's always been Ben 10 > Alien Force = Omniverse >>>>> Ultimate Alien. My main criticism is that UA on the whole just bored me. But I'll list the concepts I liked: -Yes, Ben is more mature here than in OV (OV has equal parts mature Ben and annoying Ben imo) - The premises of the Aggregor and Dagon arcs - I like several of the Ultinate designs - The Andromeda Five are cool designs and characters - Side characters like Jimmy and Harangue Though with how little it changed the concept (still AF trio going on adventures with the same artstyle and resources), it should've been retooled as additional AF seasons.
A family member watched classic with me and bits of UAF but refused to touch Omniverse and got incredibly mad at Rook slamming a random guy into the wall.
The only variant I don't like is the Reboot. I love Classic, UAF, Omniverse (though I hated it at first because of the art style), I even like the movies.
For me, the problem with the fandom is XXXualization of children and teens (yes, fanarts...). But people saying "This part of the thing we love was trash" are just dumb weirdos who HAVE to have an extreme opinion about everything. Common thing on X/Twitter/Reddit that cannot stay on these platforms for some reasons (splitting in psychology, or binary thinking).
Personally omniverse is my favorite with ultimate alien being in second place but if you told you didn't like thoes then cool brah we all like and dislike ben 10 for different reasons and i think that cool
I take Ben 10 like I take my favorite franchise, Star Wars. I like/love a lot in it but not everything & thats okay. This each show does great IMO: OS has the best theme, Omnitrix sounds, general character & alien voices; AF great character development in terms of powers & growth from OS, introduced characters like Professor Paradox that have lasting impact for the future, introduced my favorite alien Rath; UA back to arc driven episodes after AF S3, brought in movie characters to canon, some of the darkest stories in the franchise, an awesome crossover with Generator Rex with come aliens having their best looks; OV has the franchise's best animation, my Favorite design of the Omnitrix, world/universal expanding with various alternate Ben's, Making Ultimates exclusive to Albedo, Mark Hamill as the final villain of the classic continuity, Ben having control of Alien-X; Reboot having Kevin as a Jerk Rival over a straight up villain, reimagining of legacy characters that show up later in classic continuity, Yuri voicing Vilgax - that I imagine helped him prep for Symbiote Spider-Man, Ben & Gwen's relationship with each other are more like friends rather then bickering cousins that fight like siblings
Something not mentioned is that although Ultimate Alien is the most disliked in the current fandom, it has the highest IMDB. The popularity of UA is something you did mention, but I just want to emphasise. Speaking for the arab world, my whole neighbourhood was watching when episodes dropped. That didn't happen with omniverse.
I haven't experienced it yet, but I can assure you someone would go out of their way to make me feel guilty for having OV as a personal 6/10 Yes, it did a lot of good things for the franchise, but the things it does bad, it does either kinda sloppy or REALLY bad, and Kuro's breakdowns further open my eyes at what I can see as OV's flaws. I already didn't like some of the humour, I already didn't like some of the characterization, and I already didn't care for some episodes, but the way he analyzes the show and brings up points as to how it fumbles the bag really makes me think about it more. And it's not like I'm a UAF purist, oh no, every show had glaring flaws But to me, OV's just get more on my nerves than the rest I wish I could like it as much as everyone else, but I can't bring myself to find some aspects enjoyable, so even saying this right now will make me regret it later cuz I know someone will put me down for saying OV has flaws thaf detract from my experience, as if I were wrong in thinking that
@mafiagrim where exactly have I said that it damaged the franchise? When I said "bad things", I didn't mean for the franchise like with the good things. I meant in general. OV deserves it's spot as a continuation and as part of the canon, and it did really cool things that make the world bigger. That said, a lot of what it does, unieque or not, is just not what I personally like
YES, i can agree with that. as much as i hate reboot, this is definitely the ONE thing it has over classic series, and i will defend my opinion until i die. they genuinely care for each other and have each other's back ( im not saying that classic ben and gwen didn't care about each other ) but reboot dose it without the argument part, so seeing them being nice to each other is more meaningful where as classic, most of the time they argue just for the sake of arguing and being annoying for no reason, which makes their far between moments where they actually nice and supportive feel meaningless, because we know in the next episode, they're just gonna go at it again like nothing happened.
Ppl in this community give me second hand embarrassment like you’re grown ppl at each others throats over what version of a 10+ year old cartoon is better
To be honest I never really liked the classic series because the art style used a lot of grey’s and I don’t like the background music, for example the background for when there chillin just kinda maybe it feel lifeless, But that’s just me. and before people start hating me on this, of course there are moments and parts of it that I like and really like, and I am not saying it’s bad because it obviously isn’t. I would say that Omniverse is my personal favorite out of all of them, but barely because I really like AF and UA (except AF season three that was really terrible) because those were the ones I watched the mosted when I was younger.
I do agree with to some extent, when I rewatch the series I tend to watch less classic eps compared to the other series and a big part of that is Ben and Gwen constant arguing
I get it. Classics music is kinda... Alien. In a good way and I like it but UAF and OV have way more standard soundtracks than some of the stuff in Classic. UAF is also my personal favorite of the eras.
My problem is that as much respect as the other shows, Roy is using generic posters and not using the real good posters and they don’t even give any of the tomatoes unlike avatar. To be fair though, berserk has no rotten tomatoes
Great video as ultimate alien is my personal favorite but omniverse is great as well. But I disagree with Dagon being the worst arc as it has good setup and pacing, like the galactic monsters, time war, and negative 10 arc are way worse in my opinion.
I personally think OV was my favorite, with the Reboot coming second. The choice of villains in the reboot, combining Zombozo with Sublimino, making Levin be a more direct counter to Ben, and giving Vilgax actual powers beyond cyborg strength, was peak
4:51 this was arc was good until the Harvey scene Harvey literally a nothing character not only that but the ending godawful and anti climatic just for the sake of resetting the status quo there is no everlasting after math
Ultimate aliens was genius in concept but flawed in practice. If it had a few more ultimates and ben being more like alien force season 1 ben then it couldve been the best ben 10 show of the 4. Though i will say its ok enough the way it is and is worth watching
You make a lot of great points here. The one thing that needs expanded is the idea of the tone of omniverse. The tone of omniverse is not boiled down to just "jokey until we need to have serious moments" Tone to me is the canvas on which a story teller paints every part of a story. The glue that ties every decision together. It's a major shift and the show frequently suffers because of the tone direction. To the point where many of the best moments of omniverse are weakened by the inconsistent and unserious moments that surround them. Those moments are still great but would have been better if the tone supported them better.
Whenever I talk to someone about Ben 10, I almost always jokingly think 'This show SUCKS. It sucks and I love it.' Each rendition has its Ls, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying them - even the reboot has its moments!
Loved how you highlighted the best parts of both shows. Great video!
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I just like the reboot and Ultimate Alien. They’re just my 2 favorite versions of Ben 10. Mainly since I like it when the aliens get power ups like Ultimate forms and Omni Enhancements, but also since I’m not a fan of the whole secret identity thing they did in Classic and early Alien Force. I get why they did it, but it seems too stressful.
Thanks guys made that a point of emphasis when making this video
@@TheInkTank THE GOOOOOOOOOOOOOATS!!!
Why cant we accept that people love their own variant of the show some love classic other like alien force/ultimate alien and some like omniverse it how we can come together with our love for Ben 10
You realize we're on the internet?
Welcome to the internet, this debate isnt new, from star trek, star wars,doctor who transformers, etc There is always those who make such broad strokes rather then developing indivudal opinions and cristisms of each adaptation and how each of these series differences be they strengths or flaws to you can be looked at constructively.
this is the fate of all long-running franchises
Can we agree none of us like the reboot❤
@@steem6279 I think the reboot had some good ideas though the art style not so great
6:51 boy let me tell ya after watching Kuro's breakdowns, I can tell that Omniverse has one of the best animations from Cartoon Network, considering there are some scenes where there is so much thought put into them, and the art style is great, in some regards it's better than UAF and AF as there's no more darker backgrounds even tho sometimes it fits, but I would say Omniverse art style is at least a 7/10 compared to what there is now on CN
Absolutely should have appreciated Omniverse more, the UAF era started strong but man its animation for action scenes was not as consistent
@@kennethsatria6607 true
we love celebrating the best elements of each series
We gotta do it more often as a fanbase
@@DanBoyWonderexcept the reboot right? 😭
@@DanBoyWonderI love omniverse more but I love the beat downs in UA and AF
I love all versions of Ben10 but I hate it when I criticize something from the 5 shows that means people think I'm hating on the show in it's entirety for example there's a lot of recons I don't like about omniverse but that doesn't mean I love all the recons in UAF
Ben 10 in a whole is a magical IP. One of the most memoral series of my childhood. I hate fanbases of things i love. Its cringe to watch them. The best is to ignore them and apreciate what we have
Same, nearly everything I love tends to have an awful fanbase
I don't mind Ben 10, maybe critics need to not be so critics of the show
Every show has critics and deserving of criticism that issue only arises when people try to dismiss people who like this show or that
Dagon arc is so weird. They had a good villain, then threw him out for a worse one, then threw HIM out for another worse villain
So, the good villain is Dagon, and the worse villain is Vilgax, who is the third?
@@keylimepython641 The good villain is george, then they threw him out and made him a hero
@@BuzzPrincess12 Meh, I personally prefer the cosmic eldritch abomination over the forever knights. I also don't think they necessarily threw out george in favor of Dagon(It seems like Dagon and the Esoterica were the plan from the beginning, and the forever knights were secondary antagonists). However, sacrificing them both for yet more Vilgax is really lame.
@BuzzPrincess12 it's been a bit since ive watched UAF but iirc, isn't George less a villian and more misunderstood? I mean sure it's a beaten to death trope but they do it in a really logical way
@@justkashi9481 He ordered Alien genocide which resulted in Pierce dying.
He did NOT just say he's speaking on the behalf of the community
I love every show (not the biggest fan of Alien Swarm) and i dont like these people who only exist to rage bait
I know this is a different show but something very similar happened with Pokemon, when going from XY (a show which was pretty serious and dark like UAF) To the Sun and Moon (a show which was more relaxed and less serious) was hated due to the art style as well, but when you ignore the art style and watch it.. It has a great story and very similar to Omniverse in a way. Great Animation and Character moment..
So yeah I seen this to but the show gets alot of praise and love now days
Oh yeah because when pokémon transition to sun and moon a lot of people stop watching pokémon because of how awful the show look and I think that's the problem with omniverse is that you changed it at the height of its popularity just to quote unquote have better animation and I get it you want good animation but you sacrifice great animation design and start making the main character so silly and goofy to the point where people are just like we're done you know and I think that's what Omniverse did is some mistake that I think a lot of people don't want to admit like hey they made this drastic change that didn't work for most people and instead of trying to tell people like oh it was the best version of the show it might be but if the show is ugly to look at or if it feels too silly and wacky to most people people aren't going to watch it and I think that's why a lot of people ignore pokémon Sun and Moon and Omniverse because of their designs there might be good moments and there might be moments that people like to reference but for the most part people don't really talk about them like that in a good way because of how ugly they look
Yeah appreciate that because that true
I remembered the time when Omniverse was first airing, people were trashing on omniverse, stating that Ultimate Alien was the 'true' end of Ben 10 series and they didn't like the artsyle of omniverse (The most common complaint before the retcon complaints happen). Then the Reboot came and their narrative changed from 'Omniverse sucks' to 'Omniverse wasn't that bad'
I quit Ben 10 when oniverse came out. Then when I rewatch all Ben 10 I actually love oniverse My list oniverse, Ben 10, UA, AF
oniverse
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Hey that Chromastone redesign is badass!
Ok now I'm glad I don't have to hide I secretly like some parts of the reboot such as the vilgax Type Specials it'll sometimes has or Kevin having an Omnitrix or some of the designs
Yeah the reboot gets too much hate
@SullivanDLuffy It's not as good as the prime series but yea its noy as bad as people try to claim
12 year old me absolutely hated omniverse when it came out. It was such a shift from the UAF era and I just didn't give it a chance. While I don't think omniverse is anywhere near the level of Alien Force S1 and S2, I see it in a much better light now
I’m a fan of every Ben 10 series in the original timeline, they all have their strengths. The original series was fun and creative, a really great start to the series. Alien Force had the best characterization and UA had the best arcs. Omniverse had the best art style plus I loved the multiverse. There’s something to praise and love about every show
Absolutely loved the video such great takes on the fandom recently I’ve thought about maybe becoming a Ben 10 tuber myself with my own original channel and name
By the way @DanBoyWonder I am happy with your progress cause the last time I was on UA-cam and on your channel you were at 1k Suscribers and now you have reached 11k so it makes me happy seeing your chanel grow
Thanks you so much especially for sticking with me since 1K I really appreciate that
@DanBoyWonder The pleasure is all mine, man 😄
I talked personally with a handful of Omniverse Haters, and most adimited they never even watched Omniverse. This is what I call "droid hate".
this is most people who hate the reboot too, like maybe they watched some of season 1 and that's it
I mean you have to remember a lot of people watched Ben 10 Ben 10 alien Force and Ultimate alien so a lot of these people grew up with it when you make a drastic change to the show you can't get mad that the fan said hell no You know and you see how people have to wait until later on after the show ended in order for people to come back because somebody said oh give it a chance but the problem is at the time that since Ben 10 was cartoon network's most popular thing making a drastic change like that can kill the ratings which it did That's why people don't really care for Omniverse because Omniverse did something unnecessary and drastically changed the art style and decided to get too silly You can't go from silly silly 10-year-old then mature 15-year-old then joke y irresponsible college boy with a multiverse story like most people really don't even care about multiverses too so that's another turn off too and you got rid of Kevin and Gwen when Kevin and Gwen been around since forever That's a hard sell to most people so I don't think it's Joy I think is you drastically change the show and design of the characters at the height of his popularity so you kind of tend to shoot yourself in the foot in a metaphorical sense and fans aren't obligated to give something a chance just because they wanted to try something new it's your job as the creator to keep the momentum going and instead of being 10 keeping the momentum going after ultimate alien they changed it to Omniverse which had people questioning what the hell was y'all thinking
@@mysticdigital5936agreed
@treymykel Half of what you said is correct but the other half is wrong.
Foe instance, Ben in Omniverse is much more mature than Ben in Ultimate Alien. Hes around the same maturity as Alien Force, but a pacing almost similar to Classic that fluctuates back to Alien Force.
The concept that Ben in Omniverse is immature is misinformation from these haters themselves.
The ratings in Omniverse were also unnafected by these angry fans. The show still went on for 4 seasons, just as much as Alien Force. The people that genuienly disliked the show and just refused to watch Omniverse, at the time, were oldheads too stuck up in their ways, and they are not the target audience. Real fans stuck to the show and liked it, while new fans came in.
If the "rating" on Omniverse really went down, then its as irrelevant as IGN hating the Sonic Franchise but not reflecting how popular and enjoyed it still is.
@@treymykel Alien force made a drastic change when it removed max from the trio stop pretending that Ben in uaf was mature because he wasn’t after alien force season 2 he reverted back to his 10 year old self don’t act like omniverse is responsible for that and u do realize alien force was losing rating aswell right? There a reason why Ben was so inconsistent after season 3 because of network influence
To me every series as equal amount of pros & cons each are great, if u don’t don’t like a season/series that’s ok but don’t say ur opinion is the opinion of all.
My problems with the community is from the reaction side of it
Alot of B10 fans constantly nag reactors to watch UA and OV especially when Ben 10 doesn’t win any polls against other shows.
Most still don’t realize or care that those 2 series aren’t streaming anywhere, you google where to watch UA and it sends you on a wild goose chase. You practically gotta pirate just to watch it
Exactly no one have ever react to ben 10 omniverse except chainsawreacts
@ im pretty sure another reactor Kysept KA will start omniverse, he’s almost done UA. And i recently found another reactor Suwaydthefirst he just finished AF and seems really really into further ben10 episodes
@ yeah I know about lysept but i did know about suwaydthefirst i need to check his channel out
Real I don't understand why Cartoon Network makes it so hard to watch Ben 10 legally it's like they want me to pirate it
@@Robinz_killer Kickassreaction was a reactor who saw it a long time ago, though he made it clear it was his least favourite of the bunch
Very, very well said, man!
Admittedly I used to be a staunch UA hater, but even with the arcs I don’t like or the odd handling of their characters, it’s not as bad as I remember and honestly the filler in it was arguably more entertaining than in AF imo. I think a lot of what influenced my opinion back in the day was the hate bandwagon against OV and how people elevated UA, overlooking every problem but hyper focusing on OV’s minor ones.
I can agree now that each series has so much to offer, even at its lowest. I don’t always like every idea or characterization, but to say none of it was good/influential is just biased. I think this video does a great job illustrating that the franchise as a whole is flawed, yet still really enjoyable across the board and more people need to engage with it critically while understanding what each of em are going for.
It’s always good to see videos like this as they help the community grow and improve. It’s a miracle that the Ben 10 community has lasted as long as it as.
I mean all three eras (OS, UAF, OV) have their own advantages and disadvantages. I find it strange how some people attack Omniverse. Although the creators clearly had the task of refreshing the brand, which, as for me, they success, combined the carefree atmosphere of adventure from OS and the plot-oriented foundation of UAF. As for me, Omniverse is no better or worse than UAF, it's just different
Three episodes is not a story arc.
@@mayotango1317again i won't go into comparing all the shows, but i think you are very biased
I remember when Omniverses art style was shown off to the public and I liked it I was ready for something different and this comes from a huge UAF FAN
I recently watched all four shows after so many years because I never got to see em all in their entirety and I thought they were all really good in their own way
I went in with no knowledge of the fandom and yet was surprised that most stories and characters I liked or disliked had opposite opinions from fans which is still ok in my book
I think what people also fail to realize is loving a series or franchise, means you can also criticize it fairly for things you don't like, without outright hating the show, like what you did in this video.
People making shouting matches about EVERYTHING is one of the worst parts of any fandom, in general, unfortunately.
great job making this so clean and open to the extended fanbase. I might have to revisit ominverse in the future. you do a fantastic job covering Ben 10 content.
You know as for me I literally love all the shows(except for reboot especially for what they did to Alien X other than that I kinda like it) cause even tho they are perfect in their own way they each have their own flaws as well and God I wished that the show didn't regress Ben's character every time
True I agree with all of this
well in a way its a whole new omniverse(reboot) so they can do anything they want with alien x and it being a evil sad ben is kinda cool
@@yousufkhurram9585 Yes, they can do whatever they want with these characters and aliens, but that doesnt change the fact that they are way more lame than the originals
@@meganek0597 i wouldnt say theyre better either but its abt opinion and we are not the age group for the show.they still dont ruin the ben 10 image or franchise so nothing is wrong with it.plus characters like the forever king is better so not all characters are worse
Alien X was in God mode in the reboot, it was UAF and OV that made him suck
The problem with the Ben 10 fandom is that people hate when things aren't exactly what they want and if people like something they don't like or dislike something they like they HAVE to call them out even if it's just harmless opinions
I have no problem saying I like Omniverse the most but I still like the other three series, but apparently a lot of people hate this idea
Even though my favorite of the four series in AF, I absolutely love Omniverse and honestly feel like it had the potential to be the best out of the four. But Omniverse's major flaw is that it had many inappropriate jokes, e.i in the finale Ben saw a giant smoothie as the closest thing to his heart instead of IDK Grampa Max?
Also, as bad as duped, fools gold and Clyde 5 were, the worst Ben 10 Episode by FAR was "So long and thanks for all the smothies".
To me there’s no definitive best Ben 10 show because what one lacks the other(s) usually have and vice versa. For me my personal favorite is classic followed by Omniverse, UAF, and the reboot. Classic has the coolest world building, Omniverse has my favorite art style and Omnitrix design, UAF has my favorite team dynamic, and the reboot has my favorite voice acting especially with Yuri Lowenthal’s Vilgax.
I’m glad you gave the reboot some praise, I’ve always said that it’s the worst of the Ben 10 shows but one of if not the best reboot ever made. I do like the gimmicks and some of the arcs are pretty entertaining. I say just start the reboot on the last two episodes because, before this, it was an one off episodes type of shows.
Yeah, I agree it's probably biggest flaw of this community, fanboys of certain Ben 10 series will choose other series to blindly shit on, instead of appreciate what their favorite one gave them and what good things series they like the least have. It mainly happens between UA and OV fans.
We haven't got any Ben 10 content in years it just sad man :(
Is ironic, this fandom has the same issues the transformers fandom has when it comes to fighting over whats the best show for their franchise and is getting ridiculous when someone does one tweet or post about something the hate/not like a war starts between two sides. As someone who been a fan of Ben 10 and Transformers for a lot years it just sucks sometimes man.
UA has always been my favorite since I rewatched it non-stop as a kid, but I've also always loved OV. The artstyle change never bothered me since thr artstyle from UAF was also different from classic's.
Most of my favorite lines also come from UA with 'Yeah, I lied', Ben's entire speech to the Forever Knights during The purge and my all time favorite line 'Look Gwen, you have to treat a car like a woman. Go on. No, I sense I've made a mistake of some kind.' But while my favorite lines come from UA, my favorite scene comes from OV with the whole No watch Ben and Professor Paradox scene redirecting te omnitrix to Ben prime.
All shows are great, but by no means flawless
I remember cooking up that twitter post 🤣🤣🤣
The UA Fame change was THE Biggest change ever for Ben's character.it was sorta tapped in the end of classic but not fully realised until UA.
i know that ben 10 series may never return again, but we will remember how amazing the show was
I like Classic, Ultimate alien force and Ov, I also like two live action but wish more alien characters appeared
I like all of the Ben 10 our styles, including the reboot one
I remember when I finished ultimate alien I was gonna completely skip Omniverse cause I didn't like the art style, but after I gave it a shot. I really enjoyed it
We just need a new Ben 10 iteration that takes the best elements of all 5 shows 🙏🏽. I’m just tired of franchise being so.. inconsistent ever since Classic..
12:24 I wish they did ultimate omniverse
honestly this is just a problem when it comes to long running series and or franchises in general, to give a few example when it comes to Transformers G1 fans will refuse to acknowledge anything else that isnt or came after G1 and trash on em, same goes for the Bayverse fans as well. Another example is with Dragon Ball with DBZ fans trashing on anything else that isnt DBZ.
As much as i wish that we all can just respectfully enjoy our own shit without bringing down another these types of people unfortunately will always spawn no matter the fandom, even more so when it comes to long running series/franchises.
w take bro, congrats on 11k 🔥🔥
Thanks bro 🫡
Yeah, the excessive hate and bashing on both sides has grown out of control and is ridiculous. I personally still strongly dislike OV, for reasons that I admit are mostly personal, but even I will recognize it has some really good moments.
Personally I think it's just a vicious cycle. Back when AF came out everyone hated it for not being like the classic series, but eventually it aged well and was recognized as great. But then OV came out and tried to be more like classic, which AF fans resented, causing them to bash it. But then OV got its fans, and said fans resented UAF fans bashing their show so they started bashing UA in return, which opened old wounds among AUF fans of their era being bashed for not being like classic, causing them to bash back, and so on.
I've always liked Omniverse more than the entire UAF
omniverse is actually my favorite part of ben 10, like omniverse is basically the perfect way to end the franchise
sucks that they had to cancel it and we didn't get more seasons of it because i really wanted to see how much character development ben will have after beating maltraunt
Thanks for being awsome man! 👍
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Omniverse is overrated now. It has some good episode but cringe humour and not serious tone don't work for me
I hate this fact because I hate nostalgia and omniverse is sick by that I mean cool
Honestly I was skeptical when OV trailers were around but I was 12, and within a few episodes I grew to really appreciate OV, and I think anyone who disregards it for its difference in art style is missing out. Yes OV has many issues, especially doing a certain tennis player dirty, but as far as the arcs in OV go, they are shorter but more well handled than UA for the most part imo. UA however should be appreciated too. Its flaws suck but those episodes you named as good episodes really are a lot of fun and solid. The only episodes you gotta force me to watch are Eye of the Beholder, and especially Duped. I love the development of the alien force trio during early alien force but seeing them be so communicative in UA is easily one of its strongest pros, especially Kevin, idk wether his talk with Ben in Perplexahedron or his speech in Ultimate Sacrifice is better, but both are so damn good
As a toddler and when Omniverse started I would never thought at that time OV was hated, it was diffrent from before but to be despited?
3:19 they feel Like Boyfriends to me 🗿🗿
4:21 I really wish the play recap a bit of the season like with avatar
Classic great, AF the first two seasons absolutely great. Season 3 you know not the most favoritive season, UA had great concept mediocre execution, OV probably my second favorite of the five shows, and the reboot suffers UA’s concepts VS execution but it’s not bad it’s just not perfect
A wise man once said: wow two cakes!
as a kid i loved classic and omniverse and i didn't like UAF to point i skipped most of the series only liking the ulaimte aliens but then after reboot came out i went back and watched all of UAF and enjoyed it.
I do hope we get a ben 10 series with an animation as good if not better then omniverse and a art style like generator rex
I loved all the shows cause they all represented a time in my life. They all have their flaws and their benefits.
My ranking's always been Ben 10 > Alien Force = Omniverse >>>>> Ultimate Alien.
My main criticism is that UA on the whole just bored me. But I'll list the concepts I liked:
-Yes, Ben is more mature here than in OV (OV has equal parts mature Ben and annoying Ben imo)
- The premises of the Aggregor and Dagon arcs
- I like several of the Ultinate designs
- The Andromeda Five are cool designs and characters
- Side characters like Jimmy and Harangue
Though with how little it changed the concept (still AF trio going on adventures with the same artstyle and resources), it should've been retooled as additional AF seasons.
It's clear to anyone that the best Ben 10 show is "Ben 10 Franklin"!
A family member watched classic with me and bits of UAF but refused to touch Omniverse and got incredibly mad at Rook slamming a random guy into the wall.
Tbf that was pretty messed up. That poor guy was just walking
@@Megaspinosaurusrex weird part is the dude didn't care. He just walked away after Rook questioned him.
We really should stop with all the "this show better and this one sucks 🤓" and instead just talk about how each one is goated in their own ways
I subscribed and you didnt say anything that you passed 10k! I wish you had a Ben 10k Episode or something funny with the 10k sub goal!
I made a post about it and it’s a lil late but I got something 10K next week for yall
The only variant I don't like is the Reboot.
I love Classic, UAF, Omniverse (though I hated it at first because of the art style), I even like the movies.
I have an idea
Alien Force/Ultimate Alien = Dc
Omniverse = Marvel
UAF is where Dwayne Mcduffie (producer for the DCAU) did majority of his work for Ben 10 so that’s an accurate comparison
Yeah see I prefer Marvel to Dc and Omniverse to the others so this works for me.
great video man i love your commentary and how you make these!
My favourite ben 10 series is ben 10 uaf & ben 10 classic ?
I thank a similar logic should be applied to a transformers fandom since the franchise is 40 years old.
Omniverse may be my favorite, but you’ll never see me dunking on the greatness that is the other shows
For me, the problem with the fandom is XXXualization of children and teens (yes, fanarts...).
But people saying "This part of the thing we love was trash" are just dumb weirdos who HAVE to have an extreme opinion about everything. Common thing on X/Twitter/Reddit that cannot stay on these platforms for some reasons (splitting in psychology, or binary thinking).
Oh cool, I though this was going ro be about the...other new trend of the fanbase with the chaquetrix
Personally omniverse is my favorite with ultimate alien being in second place but if you told you didn't like thoes then cool brah we all like and dislike ben 10 for different reasons and i think that cool
I take Ben 10 like I take my favorite franchise, Star Wars. I like/love a lot in it but not everything & thats okay. This each show does great IMO: OS has the best theme, Omnitrix sounds, general character & alien voices; AF great character development in terms of powers & growth from OS, introduced characters like Professor Paradox that have lasting impact for the future, introduced my favorite alien Rath; UA back to arc driven episodes after AF S3, brought in movie characters to canon, some of the darkest stories in the franchise, an awesome crossover with Generator Rex with come aliens having their best looks; OV has the franchise's best animation, my Favorite design of the Omnitrix, world/universal expanding with various alternate Ben's, Making Ultimates exclusive to Albedo, Mark Hamill as the final villain of the classic continuity, Ben having control of Alien-X; Reboot having Kevin as a Jerk Rival over a straight up villain, reimagining of legacy characters that show up later in classic continuity, Yuri voicing Vilgax - that I imagine helped him prep for Symbiote Spider-Man, Ben & Gwen's relationship with each other are more like friends rather then bickering cousins that fight like siblings
Something not mentioned is that although Ultimate Alien is the most disliked in the current fandom, it has the highest IMDB. The popularity of UA is something you did mention, but I just want to emphasise. Speaking for the arab world, my whole neighbourhood was watching when episodes dropped. That didn't happen with omniverse.
I love how hate is either on uaf or omniverse and classic is so good no one hates it
I haven't experienced it yet, but I can assure you someone would go out of their way to make me feel guilty for having OV as a personal 6/10
Yes, it did a lot of good things for the franchise, but the things it does bad, it does either kinda sloppy or REALLY bad, and Kuro's breakdowns further open my eyes at what I can see as OV's flaws. I already didn't like some of the humour, I already didn't like some of the characterization, and I already didn't care for some episodes, but the way he analyzes the show and brings up points as to how it fumbles the bag really makes me think about it more.
And it's not like I'm a UAF purist, oh no, every show had glaring flaws
But to me, OV's just get more on my nerves than the rest
I wish I could like it as much as everyone else, but I can't bring myself to find some aspects enjoyable, so even saying this right now will make me regret it later cuz I know someone will put me down for saying OV has flaws thaf detract from my experience, as if I were wrong in thinking that
@@somehelluvafanboy8357 what damage did omniverse do to the franchise aside from the rooters retcon
@mafiagrim where exactly have I said that it damaged the franchise?
When I said "bad things", I didn't mean for the franchise like with the good things. I meant in general.
OV deserves it's spot as a continuation and as part of the canon, and it did really cool things that make the world bigger.
That said, a lot of what it does, unieque or not, is just not what I personally like
fun fact the reboot did ben 10 and gwens (young) dynamic the best
YES, i can agree with that. as much as i hate reboot, this is definitely the ONE thing it has over classic series, and i will defend my opinion until i die. they genuinely care for each other and have each other's back ( im not saying that classic ben and gwen didn't care about each other ) but reboot dose it without the argument part, so seeing them being nice to each other is more meaningful where as classic, most of the time they argue just for the sake of arguing and being annoying for no reason, which makes their far between moments where they actually nice and supportive feel meaningless, because we know in the next episode, they're just gonna go at it again like nothing happened.
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Ppl in this community give me second hand embarrassment like you’re grown ppl at each others throats over what version of a 10+ year old cartoon is better
Your videos are so unique and i mostly agree with all of your takes, you gotta be the best ben 10 tuber
Problem don’t you mean ProBEN
7:23 I wish they gave the show its own animated film
I actually trash on AF not UA
I love ben 10 even with its short comings
as soon as I saw the Silkie cameo in omniverse, I knew I was gonna love it
To be honest I never really liked the classic series because the art style used a lot of grey’s and I don’t like the background music, for example the background for when there chillin just kinda maybe it feel lifeless, But that’s just me. and before people start hating me on this, of course there are moments and parts of it that I like and really like, and I am not saying it’s bad because it obviously isn’t. I would say that Omniverse is my personal favorite out of all of them, but barely because I really like AF and UA (except AF season three that was really terrible) because those were the ones I watched the mosted when I was younger.
I do agree with to some extent, when I rewatch the series I tend to watch less classic eps compared to the other series and a big part of that is Ben and Gwen constant arguing
That’s ur opinion and I respect it …
@@legendarylancers7446 yeah that’s another thing I think is a big problem with classic.
You will explode in five days.
I get it.
Classics music is kinda... Alien.
In a good way and I like it but UAF and OV have way more standard soundtracks than some of the stuff in Classic.
UAF is also my personal favorite of the eras.
My problem is that as much respect as the other shows, Roy is using generic posters and not using the real good posters and they don’t even give any of the tomatoes unlike avatar. To be fair though, berserk has no rotten tomatoes
This has been a problem with the Pokémon anime community as well with the XY(Z) Series and Sun & Moon.
I like Ben 10 omniverse
Alien force
Classic
Ultimate alien
In that order
Great video as ultimate alien is my personal favorite but omniverse is great as well. But I disagree with Dagon being the worst arc as it has good setup and pacing, like the galactic monsters, time war, and negative 10 arc are way worse in my opinion.
Fiction is fiction/people are so hardcore on their emotions
10:27 one of my favorite shots from the series, wish they did more like it 😔
I personally think OV was my favorite, with the Reboot coming second. The choice of villains in the reboot, combining Zombozo with Sublimino, making Levin be a more direct counter to Ben, and giving Vilgax actual powers beyond cyborg strength, was peak
4:51 this was arc was good until the Harvey scene Harvey literally a nothing character not only that but the ending godawful and anti climatic just for the sake of resetting the status quo there is no everlasting after math
Ultimate aliens was genius in concept but flawed in practice. If it had a few more ultimates and ben being more like alien force season 1 ben then it couldve been the best ben 10 show of the 4. Though i will say its ok enough the way it is and is worth watching
You make a lot of great points here. The one thing that needs expanded is the idea of the tone of omniverse. The tone of omniverse is not boiled down to just "jokey until we need to have serious moments" Tone to me is the canvas on which a story teller paints every part of a story. The glue that ties every decision together. It's a major shift and the show frequently suffers because of the tone direction. To the point where many of the best moments of omniverse are weakened by the inconsistent and unserious moments that surround them. Those moments are still great but would have been better if the tone supported them better.
Whenever I talk to someone about Ben 10, I almost always jokingly think 'This show SUCKS. It sucks and I love it.' Each rendition has its Ls, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying them - even the reboot has its moments!