Even though own a 40 Etec and am a fan of the Etec, I noticed theres a stainless prop on it and the Yamaha has an aluminum prop. Wouldn't it be a better comparison if they were equally equipped or a little different pitch prop on the Yamaha?
I want to run twin 30 or 40 HP engines on Lake Ontario. Since it's 40 miles across ( 60 km ) and hundreds of miles long, a single engine that conks out, leaves anyone in a very vulnerable spot. This test with the eTech 30 HP that only used two liters for your test, means 4 liters or less when running twins. Probably more like 3 1/2 liters as here's less load on each engine.
They were not yankkng any ones chain with the tests…..I have a 30 etec remote steer, power trim, and electric start on a 16 ft. aluminum side console boat. It’s probably heavier than the boats shown. I can hit 42 kmh with two aboard and 46 plus when alone……and that’s with the stock alloy 10.3 x 12 alloy prop. Etecs are beasts……..
In hot tropical conditions I had big problems with Yahama. Changed to Etec never had one problem. Economy was better and power was substantially better.
I recently bought a 60hp Etec and agree with your results. Had a 2002 50hp Mercury, fuel consumption was extreme and with the choke and pumping the ball was always an issue. Great motor, Ive put 9 Tanks through it so far and I’m very happy with it. When your fishing and getting blown into the rocks, you’ll be happy the Evinrude starts instantly…Just hit the key and go!
I’m in the boating industry and have been for 20 years now. My big dealers that sell all the motor brands tell me me the best and most reliable with fewest problems is Yamaha hands down. Basically rate them this way. Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki, mercury and E-tech
Yes but Yamaha is the Honda Civic of outboards, they’ll run but not impressively. you get better torque, fuel economy, and similar reliability on Suzuki’s tohatsus and etecs now.
Suzuki’s are a good motor. Etec’s reliability is poor compared to the rest. As far as Yamaha having no torque or get up and go. I have a new Yamaha SHO 4 stroke I’d put it up against any of them for preformance.
This type of comparison is great for consumers, the only thing I didn't hear were the retail prices, not that that could persuade me from buying the etec 40 in this case anyway. Keep up the great work guys, 10/10.
Thanks for comparison from 2 or 4 stroke. I have a 50 2 stroke yamaha and wanted to know if 4 stroke was the better option, but after video. I'll stick to what I have
I would really love to see the 4 identical boat and outboard test done on the 60hp models, perhaps on something like the Stacer 529 Sea Horse or similar weight and drag vessel. It would really give these outboards a run for their money. The Stacer 529 Sea Horse is only rated to a max 60hp outboard, yet it is a huge open boat that can carry 6 persons and can take a fair bit of chop with 3mm alloy hull bottom and transom.
Great comparison. I'd be interested to know what Prop you were running on the Etec 40hp that gave you 53-54 kph. My 2016 Etec 40 came with a 13 7/8 X 13 Aluminium and I'm doing 40 kph in a 420 that's 2/3 the hull weight of the Renegade. I'm thinking of going a 13.25 X 15 SSP or a 13 X 17 SSP might be a stretch. Of course I'll do some try outs using the Tacho & optimum range but I'm curious about what you were running.
That was a great video. There will always be an argument with 2 stroke vs 4 stroke in my opinion if you have a boat that is heavy in the back you’d go for a 2 stroke as they have a lot of low end torque and can get up on plane easy compared to a 4 stroke all depends on the application in my opinion I’ve owned an etec and they are only good when there working they can be very expensive when they do go wrong id prefer the optimax xs pro in the 2 strokes and Suzuki in the 4 strokes something they never mention in these videos is reliability which is just as important as everything else they do mention
never fill fuel containers in the back if a ute, the static electricity could spark and cause a vapour fire .. always place on the ground to ebsure the static disapates
all i can say is i have a 1991 yamaha 40. have had it since new, not one problem yet, after 18 years i changed the plugs, they were still good. good maintenance is key, 27 years and still running great
The test the way it was held doesn't say much. To clarify, if we compare say a 2 strokes and a 4 strokes 30 HP different brands outboards both will be delivered with medium pitch stock props as the manufacturer to keep it safe will not know which type of boat will be powering their respective outboard. To be fair with a correct hole shot water test while solo boating using same type of boat and boater, both engines should be propped right with a prop maximization to run towards their respective max wot rpm range. That test will show the agility of both engines. Should win the one which revs faster towards their max wot rpm range.
I was just fixing to word together the same thing you're saying about the pitch of prop on each individual outboard and you did it for me thank God I scrolled through the comments
How good propped are this motors? The right propeller makes all the diference. So that out of the hole and hole shot tests don´t say much to me without know RPM's at WOT to make sure ALL 3 motors are with the appropriate propeller for that boats/load. Other thing is that the 3 motors on test are rated for 40hp but they really have 40hp??? (none have exactely 40hp on a dyno test) but usually evinrude have more power then is rated, Nice video anyway.
gonzos6 HI Gonz ... In feb we went over to the Miami Boat Show, and while we were in the US we popped into the BRP Factory to look at the line. We think you know what you're talking about with regards to HP :-)
I purchased a Evinrude Etec 40Hp tiller steering electric start. It will be install on a 14' smartwave 4200 hull. I do not know if you have access to a smartwave 4200 to test the 40 Etec. What I need to know is what size prop is needed for best performance.
those motors were trimmed differently the susuki was bouncing the front end it was trimmed up more than the yamaha wich looked like it was trimmed so it was pushing the bow harder to the water
Very good job showing all this, but you're leaving out the propeller and pitch factor. You should do a test where they are propped to reach their maximum rpm exactly...let's say 5500 or 6K and then do the test....im guessing the Yamaha was over propped for this test....as it had the one of the highest speeds...therefore slower out of the hole but better top end...
Reliability wise the Suzuki is by far the best motor. E Tec is junk long term,plus dealing with BRP is a nightmare. Yamahas are not the Motors they used to be.
I agree with you that Suzuki’s are reliable, I disagree however that dealing with Suzuki is any better than BRP, I know people who had trouble getting Suzuki to fix fuel pumps on brand new motors.
Your comparison tests are great...1) Have you tested the new suzuki 350 vs Yamaha 350? 2) Do you ever do decibel tests. 2 350's or 3 350's are a HUGE racket compared to my old 225hps. All things being equal(and before I switch to sailing) Id like to buy the brand that doesn't cause hearing loss:) The Iphone app store has free or .99 cent deciblel readers..Id love one of your readers to point me to tests videos or plain reports of big outboards decible comparisons too. Thx down under mates.!
My experience with the E-Tech has been good. They beat out the competitors in terms of torque, thrust and hole shot. That being said, they are extremely noisy when compared to the four strokes, and the oil they use is expensive to buy.
Well finally someone actually doing a test that isn't clearly rigged in favor of the 4 stroke. It annoys me to no end when people claim that a 4 stroke is more powerful than a 2 stroke, when that makes absolutely no sense. And then they run tests and let the 4 stroke win. Thanks you for doing a legitimate test.
Myself and my family will always prefer Yamaha... remember, speed and the hole shot of a motor is not everything. Yamahas have incredible reliability. They start very quickly when cold, and we have never had to take any of our motors in for maintenance. Ever. we used to be running BRP outboards, but we had many electrical failures and carburation problems. we have never gone back. and we never will.
I currently own a 70hp 2 stroke Johnson and 40hp 4 stroke Suzuki. Carburated 2 strokes are conceptually less complex and therefore more reliable engines than any EFI/DFI engines today. Less moving parts and less electrical components=less things to go wrong=less maintenance. Yes, they have shit fuel economy. Yes, they are loud as a motherfucker. But they are reliable
The Yamaha had what looks like a stock prop. It was aluminum vs stainless on the etec. Dont believe any of these videos. All they gotta do is change props to make the "test" in favor of one brand.
I think the main reason about perform so bad for yamaha in this video because of it's using the smallest engine block in the class, is just a 747cc engine same block as 30hp class, for NA four stroke engine there're no replacement for displacement for true. Same four stroke outboard in this test was the Suzuki DF40 which was same block as 60hp class! So in the performance it should be really good as it higher displacement. Compare to those 2 stroke DI like E-tec, they do great job in this because they're 2 stroke, you can compare them to 4 stroke, but also need to concerning about what 2 stroke also need to be, they burn oil to our lovely ocean and YOUR money too.
@@jerrychf I'm looking at buying a new boat with a Yamaha on it, do u think I should stick with the Yamaha? Apparently Yamahas are the most reliable on the market as of January 2021
I have been running Evinrudes for over 25 years. I got my 115HO in 2009. There isn't another brand in it's class that even comes close to it in performance or economy. In 2001 I bought a Mercury 4 stroke. It was pretty good as far as economy. The performance was terrible. I will never have a Mercury again.
Mercury 3 cylinder 2 strokes are a better choice. Powerful with good mid range economy. I still like Evinrudes also. Some of the Tohatsu's 2 strokes offer better then 4 stroke fuel efficiency also.
@@melrose9252 Evinrude didnt go bankrupt, OMC did which owned Evinrude and Johnson plus dozens of other brands, BRP bought the evinrude brand and continued outboard production, in 2006 they released the Etec
Well there's only one problem you're committed to a dealer to do any repair if an injector goes bad the dealer has to install it with the E-Tec I have replaced multiple fuel pumps in the E-Tec Motors well. I am not biased to any outboard a broken outboard is a good outboard to me I repair them
Reliability and fuel economy. Honda not in the test but I stick with Yamaha. I fished 40 miles off South African coast. Some of the most dangerous seas in the World. Note I said some of. I want a motor that will get me there AND back. In South Africa you need to rely on yourself and very reliable motors. Never go 40 miles for Tuna on a single engine. Twin engines , dual fuel tanks. If there is a crap fuel in one tank at least you have a shot with second tank. Offshore fishing is not a joke. Prepare for the worst. Cape Coast is brutal. Best to bug out if the wind gets up! Been there when guys with high towers would disappear in a trough of wave only 400 yards away! Yes the Saffa seas get monster big! Lots of big wrecks out there!
Great review! Nicely done and thought out. A couple of things that would have been useful. FIrst, you didn't mention if each of these motors had fixed or adjustable trim. It appeared the Yamaha was trimmed down, relative to the others, so of course it would be more difficult getting out of the hole. Secondly, it would have been useful to mention the MSRP for each of the motors so the viewer could get a feel for the 'bang for the buck'. Other than that, wonderful job!
Richard E Hi Richard thank you for the feedback. MSRP change all the time, that why we leave them out. Even as I write this prices will change because the Aussie dollar is dropping and that would have made the video out of date. With regards to trim they all had electric trim. What has tricked everyone is the E-Tec's have multiple tiller positions which will throw you when you use that of a gauge of where the motor was trimmed. Just on that note having the motor trimmed at the lowest position will in fact get you out of the hole faster but slow your top speed because of drag. If you have a close look at when all 4 motors are running you'll see Daz trim them once they are maxed out on the plain. As far as bang for buck the 30 E-Tec really surprised us .... now I'll let you in on a little secret. The 25 E-Tec is the same identical engine. Once the difference was the carby size and exhaust restrictors. But these days its all electronic just think rice racers and Japanese imports there's allot of motor just sitting behind a computer telling it how to behave. So ...... what would be your best bang for buck? I'd be calling us about a 25 E-Tec......... Seriously it has to be the best bang for buck outboard on the market.
One thing you might do is tell everyone what prop you used on the runs that can make a huge difference if they were all the same np but you didn't say!
In the beginning of the video, you can see the stainless prop on the Etec and the Yammie still has the aluminum also. I know that doesn't tell you what pitch but, to me seems like apples to oranges right off the bat.
Not really a comparison, but I have 4.5m pongrass with 97 model 2 stroke 50 on back. Brothers boat is 4m pride with Yamaha 80 on the back. Mine gets on plane a whole lot quicker than his. #allhailevinrude
I’m happy to se testing, but I’m positive that accurate data is needed. Same type props? Is the hull treated withe the same anti fouling? Engine level? I also noticed that one of te boats had additional equipment! This is i big mater.
it is clear that the Yamaha is poorly adjusted to the boat, properly setting up the 'trim' performance will improve. it seems that the comparison was partial.
In America, Yamaha HAD the best 2 stroke 40 money could buy, then they went all 4 strokes and their 40 is the worst 4 stroke 40 in the 4 stroke market. I have been boating for over 40 years and I currently own a four stroke 20Hp Mercury and a 90 hp 2 stroke mercury. I do not believe a 4 stroke will outlast a 2 stroke. I seldom see a 15 year old 4 stroke on the water , while I see 40 year old 2 strokes all the time. The weight, power and now fuel efficiency of modern 2 strokes are wonderful. It all boils down to how you maintain your engine, 2 stroke or 4 stroke, I owned a Yamaha 2 stroke, it was a great engine!
I like your videos and yep of those four motors the 40hp 4stroke Yamaha would definitely have the least poke out of the hole with four blokes on board but in all fairness you probably should have had it trimmed all the way in like the other three motors when starting.
Do one in the 50hp range if you get the chance would love to see it, would be more fair as as the Yamaha is at the top HP rating for that engine but the Suzuki and etec are at the lowest HP rating.That way their all evenly matched.
Hi Bob you're right. The thing is most people don't know this and buy on the number stuck on the back of the motor. To show this we put the 40HP next 30HP Etec. You can see the results yourself in the video;
Lets do a 60 Hp test also, that way they can use the evinrude 60HO, there isnt a 60 horse outboard on the market than can touch the HO, the Yam guys would really be making excuses then
Alex Heidi Morissugui Hi Alex Evinrude don't make a 4 Stroke 250 They make the G2 225 250 and 300 as seen on here in this review ua-cam.com/video/_vpsaFmxzEE/v-deo.html (This is a G2 225 but we know it would impress you next to the VMax250)
Thanks for the tip , but as consumers want fuel consumption comparison, top speed , weight and price, the Evinrude , Mercury and Yamaha 2 strokes or 4 strokes respectively.
Hi Alex ... We'll do our best to show the results when we can get some models side by side. It's not as simple as you might think. Almost all dealers are aligned with one brand. (Us included.) and the brands and most dealers are not very keen to see their products put side by side with their competitors. For us to do these tests we end up having to purchase the boat or motor, and while we have the only living money tree planted in Daz's left sock it's only a small shrub and isn't growing as fast as we'd like.
@@squidinkRC I been searching for quintrex here in America. No luck so far. Read up on the import laws for boats. I am planning on just buying the boat without the outboard
I don't care which one gets up faster, all I want is a reliable motor.... I think Yamaha wins it hands down.... I don't own any yamahas but my next motor is... all my past motor is just johnson....
I had a 1990 25hp evinrude and that thing was bullet proof we'd let it sit out all winter and even went a year with out being used and started up first try so next motor I'll get is a 100% an evinrude
this whole reliability thing is completely blow out of proportion. when maintained properly, each brand will last just as long as the other and thats the truth. remember the whole "nightmare" about the omc VRO oil injection ? saying it will stop working and fry your motor? complete crap as long as its maintained these will last forever.
@@gwebster6600 Sounds like someone's butt hurt about someone talking down their gutless outboard. Obviously you've never heard of the abundance of 2-stroke motorbikes because they will leave any 4-stroke of similar displacement for dead. Both engines have their place in different functions, hence no more 2-stroke cars.
Nice work. I have an E-tec 50 purchased in 2013 and I cant speak more highly of it. Starts first time is quiet and there is no smoke. I am in a fishing club with about thirty five boats and the E-tec is quieter than any of the four strokes. They say 3 years or 300 hours till first service but I was thinking of getting it checked over during winter. Do you recommend a service ? I am in Melbourne so cant use you guys.
Thank you for a super informative comparison. My favorite wisdom of the video is "With us it is what it is!"
Thank you for some clear useful information! Do you sell to Canada ?
Even though own a 40 Etec and am a fan of the Etec, I noticed theres a stainless prop on it and the Yamaha has an aluminum prop. Wouldn't it be a better comparison if they were equally equipped or a little different pitch prop on the Yamaha?
I want to run twin 30 or 40 HP engines on Lake Ontario. Since it's 40 miles across ( 60 km ) and hundreds of miles long, a single engine that conks out, leaves anyone in a very vulnerable spot. This test with the eTech 30 HP that only used two liters for your test, means 4 liters or less when running twins. Probably more like 3 1/2 liters as here's less load on each engine.
950cc for 40hp?! Good lord! That's as mild as my old pig-iron Dodge truck. What exactly are they accomplishing with twin cams and multi valves?
Weigh the fuel tanks before and after instead of topping up tanks. The fuel consumption results will be much more reliable and easier to calculate.
Notice how the evinrude had a stain less steel prop the Yamaha has a plastic prop
I through my dog in the water to get me to shore after depending on a Yamaha. That dog was so reliable. lol
Sam Krieger hahaha
What now that etecs are no longer being made? I guess everyone should switch to mercury
They were not yankkng any ones chain with the tests…..I have a 30 etec remote steer, power trim, and electric start on a 16 ft. aluminum side console boat. It’s probably heavier than the boats shown. I can hit 42 kmh with two aboard and 46 plus when alone……and that’s with the stock alloy 10.3 x 12 alloy prop. Etecs are beasts……..
Well I guess you doesn’t have to worry about E-TEC guys! mercury just bought them out! Kind of a sad ending for a great and long-standing company!
The higher the gear ratio and size of propeller and weight equal more speed and muscle
The 4-stroke didn’t kill the 2-stroke, BRP killed the 2-stroke!
And the irony is the Yamaha is the most expensive out of all of them
Honda is the most expensive
@@Fishing_daily1345 they didn’t test aHonda
Where is the mercury
You comparison don't mean nothing without prop information.
Etec oil ain't cheap.
But it doesn’t need to be disposed of……..
The title says 30 e-tec
Seems Yamaha owners are the same league as Toyota drivers.
I own the 40 etec it's an incredible motor 5 years of faithful reliable service. Never complains. Runs like a champ.
Very well done putting it out there for us. I am sizing power to a boat build. This was very helpful, thank you.
These are great vids guys keep up the great work.
great video... you guys are the best on the market so far, by far...
Thanks for the video. Answered a lot of my questions
what an ass kicking comparison thank you for posting really well done mate
In hot tropical conditions I had big problems with Yahama. Changed to Etec never had one problem. Economy was better and power was substantially better.
I have a 2016 etec 40 that I'm having the second powerhead put on it in 9 months
@@Dave-pj2mx don't worry etec shut down factory may 2020. All their glory and people still buy 4 strokes that says a lot.
I recently bought a 60hp Etec and agree with your results. Had a 2002 50hp Mercury, fuel consumption was extreme and with the choke and pumping the ball was always an issue. Great motor, Ive put 9 Tanks through it so far and I’m very happy with it. When your fishing and getting blown into the rocks, you’ll be happy the Evinrude starts instantly…Just hit the key and go!
I’m in the boating industry and have been for 20 years now. My big dealers that sell all the motor brands tell me me the best and most reliable with fewest problems is Yamaha hands down. Basically rate them this way. Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki, mercury and E-tech
Yes but Yamaha is the Honda Civic of outboards, they’ll run but not impressively. you get better torque, fuel economy, and similar reliability on Suzuki’s tohatsus and etecs now.
Suzuki’s are a good motor. Etec’s reliability is poor compared to the rest. As far as Yamaha having no torque or get up and go. I have a new Yamaha SHO 4 stroke I’d put it up against any of them for preformance.
Dealers make money on service. They don’t like an outboard they see every three years.
Great shoot out thanks.
This type of comparison is great for consumers, the only thing I didn't hear were the retail prices, not that that could persuade me from buying the etec 40 in this case anyway. Keep up the great work guys, 10/10.
Thanks for comparison from 2 or 4 stroke. I have a 50 2 stroke yamaha and wanted to know if 4 stroke was the better option, but after video. I'll stick to what I have
well done boys, great video
Great video! Excellent!
Excellent review
Thanks for sharing. 2 stroke is the only way to go w or w/o FI.
great Video Well Done Darren, Liking the 30 etech for the best economics,,
I would really love to see the 4 identical boat and outboard test done on the 60hp models, perhaps on something like the Stacer 529 Sea Horse or similar weight and drag vessel. It would really give these outboards a run for their money. The Stacer 529 Sea Horse is only rated to a max 60hp outboard, yet it is a huge open boat that can carry 6 persons and can take a fair bit of chop with 3mm alloy hull bottom and transom.
Great comparison. I'd be interested to know what Prop you were running on the Etec 40hp that gave you 53-54 kph. My 2016 Etec 40 came with a 13 7/8 X 13 Aluminium and I'm doing 40 kph in a 420 that's 2/3 the hull weight of the Renegade. I'm thinking of going a 13.25 X 15 SSP or a 13 X 17 SSP might be a stretch. Of course I'll do some try outs using the Tacho & optimum range but I'm curious about what you were running.
That was a great video. There will always be an argument with 2 stroke vs 4 stroke in my opinion if you have a boat that is heavy in the back you’d go for a 2 stroke as they have a lot of low end torque and can get up on plane easy compared to a 4 stroke all depends on the application in my opinion I’ve owned an etec and they are only good when there working they can be very expensive when they do go wrong id prefer the optimax xs pro in the 2 strokes and Suzuki in the 4 strokes something they never mention in these videos is reliability which is just as important as everything else they do mention
never fill fuel containers in the back if a ute, the static electricity could spark and cause a vapour fire .. always place on the ground to ebsure the static disapates
all i can say is i have a 1991 yamaha 40. have had it since new, not one problem yet, after 18 years i changed the plugs, they were still good. good maintenance is key, 27 years and still running great
I have twin 627 Seven Marines on my Jon Boat. Boy does it fly!!!
You mean you have a Jon boat mounted to your twin 7 marines
Colton Howard something tells me you're a super douchebag
Chris Cross it’s a joke you dumb piece of shit
I bet that might go a little faster than my twin weed eaters i got i on my jon boat
The Yamaha 40s are great quiet and smooth running engines and are very reliable but seen a little down on power compared to the merc 40s that we run
I was quite surprised 😲
would of liked to see the comparisons with Jet units on them
Great Vid
really good test mate made it clear.
where are you located??
The test the way it was held doesn't say much. To clarify, if we compare say a 2 strokes and a 4 strokes 30 HP different brands outboards both will be delivered with medium pitch stock props as the manufacturer to keep it safe will not know which type of boat will be powering their respective outboard.
To be fair with a correct hole shot water test while solo boating using same type of boat and boater, both engines should be propped right with a prop maximization to run towards their respective max wot rpm range. That test will show the agility of both engines. Should win the one which revs faster towards their max wot rpm range.
I was just fixing to word together the same thing you're saying about the pitch of prop on each individual outboard and you did it for me thank God I scrolled through the comments
thnx for the video, bought the yamaha after seeing the video. very reliable engine with the the highest resell value
Sucker
How about a price comparison between the 4?
And a warranty comparison.
Good video.
How good propped are this motors?
The right propeller makes all the diference.
So that out of the hole and hole shot tests don´t say much to me without know RPM's at WOT to make sure ALL 3 motors are with the appropriate propeller for that boats/load.
Other thing is that the 3 motors on test are rated for 40hp but they really have 40hp??? (none have exactely 40hp on a dyno test) but usually evinrude have more power then is rated,
Nice video anyway.
gonzos6 HI Gonz ... In feb we went over to the Miami Boat Show, and while we were in the US we popped into the BRP Factory to look at the line. We think you know what you're talking about with regards to HP :-)
good video 👍
I purchased a Evinrude Etec 40Hp tiller steering electric start. It will be install on a 14' smartwave 4200 hull. I do not know if you have access to a smartwave 4200 to test the 40 Etec. What I need to know is what size prop is needed for best performance.
those motors were trimmed differently the susuki was bouncing the front end it was trimmed up more than the yamaha wich looked like it was trimmed so it was pushing the bow harder to the water
thanks aussie
Hi,
What propellor size and pitch was on each motor?
Thanks,
Aaron
Very good job showing all this, but you're leaving out the propeller and pitch factor. You should do a test where they are propped to reach their maximum rpm exactly...let's say 5500 or 6K and then do the test....im guessing the Yamaha was over propped for this test....as it had the one of the highest speeds...therefore slower out of the hole but better top end...
I love Evinride and I would
like to own a 15-60hp
Reliability wise the Suzuki is by far the best motor. E Tec is junk long term,plus dealing with BRP is a nightmare. Yamahas are not the Motors they used to be.
I agree with you that Suzuki’s are reliable, I disagree however that dealing with Suzuki is any better than BRP, I know people who had trouble getting Suzuki to fix fuel pumps on brand new motors.
Your comparison tests are great...1) Have you tested the new suzuki 350 vs Yamaha 350? 2) Do you ever do decibel tests. 2 350's or 3 350's are a HUGE racket compared to my old 225hps. All things being equal(and before I switch to sailing) Id like to buy the brand that doesn't cause hearing loss:) The Iphone app store has free or .99 cent deciblel readers..Id love one of your readers to point me to tests videos or plain reports of big outboards decible comparisons too. Thx down under mates.!
guys in all honesty, people watching, would you the suzuki 40 or the etec 40? the etec is heavier
My experience with the E-Tech has been good. They beat out the competitors in terms of torque, thrust and hole shot. That being said, they are extremely noisy when compared to the four strokes, and the oil they use is expensive to buy.
Was all the props the same pinch
Well finally someone actually doing a test that isn't clearly rigged in favor of the 4 stroke. It annoys me to no end when people claim that a 4 stroke is more powerful than a 2 stroke, when that makes absolutely no sense. And then they run tests and let the 4 stroke win. Thanks you for doing a legitimate test.
What pitch props?
Would like to see how a Mercury would compare, I never have rated the Yamaha myself
@@cliffmoran2385 if you could get the Merc running, them piles of garbage are about as unreliable as they come
Myself and my family will always prefer Yamaha... remember, speed and the hole shot of a motor is not everything. Yamahas have incredible reliability. They start very quickly when cold, and we have never had to take any of our motors in for maintenance. Ever. we used to be running BRP outboards, but we had many electrical failures and carburation problems. we have never gone back. and we never will.
If you can't get home, you're motor isn't worth shit hey.
So you had carburated engines? All of those were garbage. Comparing those to a new injected 2-stroke shows you don't know much.
I currently own a 70hp 2 stroke Johnson and 40hp 4 stroke Suzuki. Carburated 2 strokes are conceptually less complex and therefore more reliable engines than any EFI/DFI engines today. Less moving parts and less electrical components=less things to go wrong=less maintenance. Yes, they have shit fuel economy. Yes, they are loud as a motherfucker. But they are reliable
Pallas. I agree i have a tohatsu 9.9hp but convert to 15hp carb is easy to maintain
gopernoper BRP didn't own them when they ran carburetors.
Prop different ?
The Yamaha had what looks like a stock prop. It was aluminum vs stainless on the etec. Dont believe any of these videos. All they gotta do is change props to make the "test" in favor of one brand.
All motors were tested with stock out of the box props.
I think the main reason about perform so bad for yamaha in this video because of it's using the smallest engine block in the class, is just a 747cc engine same block as 30hp class, for NA four stroke engine there're no replacement for displacement for true.
Same four stroke outboard in this test was the Suzuki DF40 which was same block as 60hp class! So in the performance it should be really good as it higher displacement.
Compare to those 2 stroke DI like E-tec, they do great job in this because they're 2 stroke, you can compare them to 4 stroke, but also need to concerning about what 2 stroke also need to be, they burn oil to our lovely ocean and YOUR money too.
Jason Cooper stainless prop is much heavier and will decrease your holeshot, not increase it.
@@jerrychf 4 strokes still take oil...and oil filters.
I probably burn the same amount of oil in a season as someone with a 4 stroke has to change.
@@jerrychf I'm looking at buying a new boat with a Yamaha on it, do u think I should stick with the Yamaha? Apparently Yamahas are the most reliable on the market as of January 2021
"whadda cracka" lol
I have been running Evinrudes for over 25 years. I got my 115HO in 2009. There isn't another brand in it's class that even comes close to it in performance or economy. In 2001 I bought a Mercury 4 stroke. It was pretty good as far as economy. The performance was terrible. I will never have a Mercury again.
danodano60 Did you buy your motor before Evinrude went bankrupt or after?
Mercury 3 cylinder 2 strokes are a better choice. Powerful with good mid range economy. I still like Evinrudes also. Some of the Tohatsu's 2 strokes offer better then 4 stroke fuel efficiency also.
@@melrose9252 Evinrude didnt go bankrupt, OMC did which owned Evinrude and Johnson plus dozens of other brands, BRP bought the evinrude brand and continued outboard production, in 2006 they released the Etec
Well there's only one problem you're committed to a dealer to do any repair if an injector goes bad the dealer has to install it with the E-Tec I have replaced multiple fuel pumps in the E-Tec Motors well. I am not biased to any outboard a broken outboard is a good outboard to me I repair them
Reliability and fuel economy. Honda not in the test but I stick with Yamaha. I fished 40 miles off South African coast. Some of the most dangerous seas in the World. Note I said some of.
I want a motor that will get me there AND back.
In South Africa you need to rely on yourself and very reliable motors.
Never go 40 miles for Tuna on a single engine. Twin engines , dual fuel tanks. If there is a crap fuel in one tank at least you have a shot with second tank. Offshore fishing is not a joke. Prepare for the worst. Cape Coast is brutal. Best to bug out if the wind gets up! Been there when guys with high towers would disappear in a trough of wave only 400 yards away! Yes the Saffa seas get monster big! Lots of big wrecks out there!
Great review! Nicely done and thought out. A couple of things that would have been useful. FIrst, you didn't mention if each of these motors had fixed or adjustable trim. It appeared the Yamaha was trimmed down, relative to the others, so of course it would be more difficult getting out of the hole. Secondly, it would have been useful to mention the MSRP for each of the motors so the viewer could get a feel for the 'bang for the buck'. Other than that, wonderful job!
Richard E Hi Richard thank you for the feedback. MSRP change all the time, that why we leave them out. Even as I write this prices will change because the Aussie dollar is dropping and that would have made the video out of date.
With regards to trim they all had electric trim. What has tricked everyone is the E-Tec's have multiple tiller positions which will throw you when you use that of a gauge of where the motor was trimmed. Just on that note having the motor trimmed at the lowest position will in fact get you out of the hole faster but slow your top speed because of drag. If you have a close look at when all 4 motors are running you'll see Daz trim them once they are maxed out on the plain.
As far as bang for buck the 30 E-Tec really surprised us .... now I'll let you in on a little secret. The 25 E-Tec is the same identical engine. Once the difference was the carby size and exhaust restrictors. But these days its all electronic just think rice racers and Japanese imports there's allot of motor just sitting behind a computer telling it how to behave.
So ...... what would be your best bang for buck?
I'd be calling us about a 25 E-Tec......... Seriously it has to be the best bang for buck outboard on the market.
wont that 40 yammy turn up like 6400 and go about 50 mph?
I am a sailor, but that was an excellent review.
was the Yamaha trimmed the same as the others?
One thing you might do is tell everyone what prop you used on the runs that can make a huge difference if they were all the same np but you didn't say!
When he gave top speed Suzuki was fastest by far and jumped up all most as fast as the 40 E-tec it's also lighter. better warranties also.
In the beginning of the video, you can see the stainless prop on the Etec and the Yammie still has the aluminum also. I know that doesn't tell you what pitch but, to me seems like apples to oranges right off the bat.
who makes a 2016 20hp 2 stroke outboard
Not really a comparison, but I have 4.5m pongrass with 97 model 2 stroke 50 on back.
Brothers boat is 4m pride with Yamaha 80 on the back. Mine gets on plane a whole lot quicker than his.
#allhailevinrude
apples oranges what r u saying?
I’m happy to se testing, but I’m positive that accurate data is needed. Same type props? Is the hull treated withe the same anti fouling? Engine level? I also noticed that one of te boats had additional equipment! This is i big mater.
Legenda companheiro
what about decibels? how does the etec compare?
it is clear that the Yamaha is poorly adjusted to the boat, properly setting up the 'trim' performance will improve. it seems that the comparison was partial.
+Ed Feld's sounds like you own a Yamaha, yamaha are good for 2 strokes, suck ass for 4 strokes.
In America, Yamaha HAD the best 2 stroke 40 money could buy, then they went all 4 strokes and their 40 is the worst 4 stroke 40 in the 4 stroke market. I have been boating for over 40 years and I currently own a four stroke 20Hp Mercury and a 90 hp 2 stroke mercury. I do not believe a 4 stroke will outlast a 2 stroke. I seldom see a 15 year old 4 stroke on the water , while I see 40 year old 2 strokes all the time. The weight, power and now fuel efficiency of modern 2 strokes are wonderful. It all boils down to how you maintain your engine, 2 stroke or 4 stroke, I owned a Yamaha 2 stroke, it was a great engine!
I agree you can't go wrong with a yamaha 2 stroke :)
RC Kirby Recently, I believed Yamaha did some improvements on the 4 stroke 40hp in their latest generations.
Todos con iguales helices, en tamaño, paso y material ?
What would be the weight of the 4 of you and the boat be? (Average)
I like your videos and yep of those four motors the 40hp 4stroke Yamaha would definitely have the least poke out of the hole with four blokes on board but in all fairness you probably should have had it trimmed all the way in like the other three motors when starting.
Simon Hall Hi Simon, It was on the bottom pin.
Do one in the 50hp range if you get the chance would love to see it, would be more fair as as the Yamaha is at the top HP rating for that engine but the Suzuki and etec are at the lowest HP rating.That way their all evenly matched.
Hi Bob you're right. The thing is most people don't know this and buy on the number stuck on the back of the motor. To show this we put the 40HP next 30HP Etec. You can see the results yourself in the video;
Lets do a 60 Hp test also, that way they can use the evinrude 60HO, there isnt a 60 horse outboard on the market than can touch the HO, the Yam guys would really be making excuses then
Make a comparison video of an Evinrude 250 HP 4 strokes and Yamaha VMax 250HP to see if the evinrude do so gracefully .
Alex Heidi Morissugui Hi Alex Evinrude don't make a 4 Stroke 250 They make the G2 225 250 and 300 as seen on here in this review ua-cam.com/video/_vpsaFmxzEE/v-deo.html (This is a G2 225 but we know it would impress you next to the VMax250)
Thanks for the tip , but as consumers want fuel consumption comparison, top speed , weight and price, the Evinrude , Mercury and Yamaha 2 strokes or 4 strokes respectively.
Hi Alex ... We'll do our best to show the results when we can get some models side by side. It's not as simple as you might think. Almost all dealers are aligned with one brand. (Us included.) and the brands and most dealers are not very keen to see their products put side by side with their competitors. For us to do these tests we end up having to purchase the boat or motor, and while we have the only living money tree planted in Daz's left sock it's only a small shrub and isn't growing as fast as we'd like.
ok, brother. Sacaná tsurí ikanai damê desu yô.
No hate but comparing a 2 stroke vs 4 stroke isn't fair
Laurens de Wijs 40 hp vs. 40hp. similar price. fair by my rules
How is the prop steer on these outboards? is the etec 40 hard to handle with the larger gear case ? thank you great videos
they're manageable, depends on how you trim them
I believe the reason why the Evin rude ruled the roost is because it is substantially lighter than any 4 stroke on the market
And more torque
@@victoriousvictor7978 very true also
I'm in awe of the 4 boats. Where can I get them? I live in Hawaii
I really love these boats, they seem to only be sold in Australia. Looking for a used one in Maine. Anybody know similar boats?
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I been searching for quintrex here in America. No luck so far. Read up on the import laws for boats. I am planning on just buying the boat without the outboard
I don't care which one gets up faster, all I want is a reliable motor.... I think Yamaha wins it hands down.... I don't own any yamahas but my next motor is... all my past motor is just johnson....
Jdjhsjd Hshjdnd. Johnson are bad ass
I had a 1990 25hp evinrude and that thing was bullet proof we'd let it sit out all winter and even went a year with out being used and started up first try so next motor I'll get is a 100% an evinrude
Go Honda or Suki buddy
Jdjhsjd Hshjdnd the old Johnsons and evinrudes are bulletproof in working on an old 9.5 Johnson seahorse right now
this whole reliability thing is completely blow out of proportion. when maintained properly, each brand will last just as long as the other and thats the truth. remember the whole "nightmare" about the omc VRO oil injection ? saying it will stop working and fry your motor? complete crap as long as its maintained these will last forever.
Which Yamaha 40? There are many models. How many cc? is it the F40 F, F40 G or F40 H?
i m saving for an etec fourty
Laz N better save up for oil too
Peyton Dardenne They hardly use any. I've had a 40 etec for 3 years. Not a single issue. Hardly uses any gas also.
Korn Dawggy exactly everyone thinks they know it all I'm so glad brp was smart enough to keep evinrude 2 stroke
Not to many two stroke cars on the road, wonder why that is?
@@gwebster6600 Sounds like someone's butt hurt about someone talking down their gutless outboard. Obviously you've never heard of the abundance of 2-stroke motorbikes because they will leave any 4-stroke of similar displacement for dead. Both engines have their place in different functions, hence no more 2-stroke cars.
Nice comparison! I was surprised with the fact that the yamaha didn't has as mach power as the other outboards!
Nice work. I have an E-tec 50 purchased in 2013 and I cant speak more highly of it. Starts first time is quiet and there is no smoke. I am in a fishing club with about thirty five boats and the E-tec is quieter than any of the four strokes.
They say 3 years or 300 hours till first service but I was thinking of getting it checked over during winter. Do you recommend a service ? I am in Melbourne so cant use you guys.
jeff61 Hi Jeff it's hard to say without knowing your boating situation. How many hours have you done?
Im just gonna stick with Mercury ;)
Dude look at that little prop from the Yamaha and the huge prop on the evinrude unfair