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Echo 1x4 REACTION!! “Taloa”
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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2024
- Eric Calvin and Aaron react to and discuss season 1 episode 4 of Echo - Taloa - #Echo #Kingpin #Daredevil
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The Ring Rink - 00:00
Reaction - 00:38
Fisk’s Contradictions - 12:01
Family Isolation - 12:39
The Ice Cream Man - 13:21
She’s Got A Point - 13:42
Signing - 14:22
Inheritance? - 18:41
The Contact - 19:42
Echoes - 20:39
An Anti-Heroic Finale? - 25:06
The Hammer Of Freedom - 26:46
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Easily the best episode of the show. I especially love the scene with Maya and Chula. The audience being able to hear Maya's voice in her most emotional moment really hits.
Episode 4s somehow happens to be the best of the shows
@@mohzayd1234and then it just takes a turn 😅
@@RedKingdom28they know how to start a story, just not finish one
I love how even though Maya was gone for more than a decade they all still kept up with sign language. Even Chula. It shows she cares about Maya
There is something so satisfying about how Vincent plays Fisk. I'm so glad we're getting more of him, easily in the top 5 casting choices in the entire MCU, along with Charlie as Daredevil. Can't wait to see them onscreen together again.
I love how we see that Maya wasn’t raised to be a criminal from the beginning. Her father and Fisk tried to give her a normal life and shelter her from this violence, but she was *naturally* drawn to it. She wanted this life. And now that she has reconnected with her roots she sees a better, more fulfilling life.
Also I would love a What If episode where we see what would happen if Maya actually ACCEPTED Wilson’s offer to become Queenpin.
Yeah. She wasn’t forced to be a ‘villain’. And now she isn’t choosing to be a ‘hero’. It’s her rejecting a dangerous mentor that killed her father.
I would more argue that she was a child mimicking what her guardians were doing. How the guardians respond is how she's going to start to develop her identity and learn what are acceptable and non-acceptable behaviors. Children learn how to behave in the world by watching the adults in their lives and seeing what actions are rewarded vs punished. She was surrounded by violence her entire life, and when she became violent (copying what was demonstrated to her), she was met with approval, so it makes sense that she'd follow that in adulthood. I'd argue that a six year old is incapable of being 'naturally drawn' to any sort of morality - they embrace the morality they see demonstrated for them.
Aaron is right: Taloa (Maya’s mom) was deaf.
27:00 actually it's exactly the same: Maya's father was killed by Fisk, and Fisk's father was also killed by Fisk
Great comment lmao
I loved Kingpin in this episode, I think they did amazing job with him and his character especially throughout this episode. I think they just perfectly delivered on everything that makes this character so special and interesting and Vincent D'Onofrio was really bringing everything to the table for his performance in this series and just killed it in this role, I’m so happy that they brought him back from the Daredevil series. I loved every one of his dialogue scenes with Maya, I just thought that the dynamic and history behind those two was so interesting and compelling and that the writing for all of their scenes together was fantastic. Also getting to see the scene where Kingpin beats that ice cream vendor nearly to death was amazing, this moment just felt so in character for him and I loved the way they made each of his punches feel so powerful and brutal. Overall I just think this show did an amazing job at writing and adapting his character and I can’t wait to see Kingpin’s next appearance,wherever or whenever it is.
As someone who hasn’t done the Netflix stuff, I’ve been really enjoying this Kingpin so far. They’ve definitely just been working on the setup for him in the new DD and I cannot wait to see how they handle that. Unless the episodes are like 20 minutes they’ll have so much time to work with on bringing all these things into the mainstream parts of the MCU.
Weird to say, but this show is what finally kicked me into learning ASL this year. I've been wanting to learn for years, but finally made the call to start. Since watching this show, I've memorized the alphabet. I'll be starting numbers next, then moving on to phrases.
Remember Kingpin father FORCED him to beat up his bully after he did it himself,
Maya went and did it herself 😮
I LOVED the symmetry of their dynamic ❤ did my Kingpin RIGHT ✅
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He's too smart to keep a weapon that can incriminate him, I like to think he got that hammer for symbolism 🔨
Maya manages to have some of the funniest lines! "It's thursday" is just great.
Having seen Fisks backstory in Daredevil really adds impact to his dialogue.
When Maya ran over to kick the ice cream guy I am reminded of Fisk’s dad yelling at him “keep kicking!” And you can kinda see in his face that he is thinking the same.
Legit the best part of the episode is that I genuinely believe that Fisk actually forgives, respects and still loves Maya as family. Like I actually believed he was going to let her bludgeon him with the hammer. Ofc weather or not he’d let her is another thing, but his calm tone and demeanor only makes it all the more convincing, and terrifying.
The fact that he can sign his victory speech to her implies that he was fully expecting her to not kill him.
I believe Fisk loves Maya, but his affection always comes with strings. He is entirely transactional. He loves how having Maya makes HIM feel. She was useful to him.
He loves her in a comparable way to how Thanos loves Gamora. It’s a genuine attachment, there’s a real care, a real desire to see them well and safe, but they are not capable of feeling love as it truly is as a concept, selfless and kind.
i’m watching now and I knew that Fisk was gonna show her his Hanmer he used to kill his pops 😭 that’s wildddd i remember that DD scene clear as day
I love how the relationship between Maya and Fisk is explored here because it's clear Fisk is using his own traumatic past to manipulate Maya into going back to New York with him. Looking back at the first three seasons of Daredevil, he's been an excellent manipulator throughout his entire villainous run. Easily manipulating the criminals he works with in Season 1 to even Frank Castle in Season 2, and especially Poindexter in Season 3. Fisk knows how to get inside people's heads and trick them into doing what he wants but the difference between them and Maya is that he's had an actual personal and close relationship with her. So Maya would be able to see through this because Fisk is doing this for different reasons. He's manipulated people in the past to get ahead with his villainous schemes but this is a lot more personal to him. Fisk even tries to Gaslight Maya by telling her to kill hin with the same Hammer he killed his father with. This entire exchange is the exact reason why Wilson Fisk AKA Kingpin is my favorite Marvel/MCU villain of all time! I loved Vincent D'onofrio's performance in Echo and especially in this episode!
THANKS for this!!!!
Maya mother is also Deaf!
Deaf?
Death= is dead! Deaf is if unable to here.
@@daddydman81 correction made . Autocorrect Wins!
@@daddydman81 * unable to hear
Yes. Now. Notice the original comment says "edited". Op corrected.
Good job to everyone!! 🤔😁
The scene with Echo and the hammer reminds me somehow of Ashoka choosing life in her fight with Anakin. It echoes..
26:40 lmaoo ain't no way you just guessed that
I love the sign for death, or dead. Idk cracks me up
Powers: It is described in the show as the ancestors giving help when it’s needed. But then it seems to be portrayed as skills/powers that can be accessed on demand. So I see it as an unreliable superpower. When you try to use it, it might not work.
In retrospect I dont like the finale but i love this episode.
@BlindWave,
14:29 Henry Lopez is William Lopez's (Maya's father) brother. Maya's mother, Taloa, was also deaf; the whole family (Grandma, Grandpa, Bonney, William, Henry, and Biscuit) learned sign language so that they could all talk with one another.
In Fisk's defense, he didn't have the time to learn ASL. He's got his fingers and everything the world over. He didn't get where he is by taking time off from work. Yeah, he could have really shown his love for Maya by learning ASL, but if you recall what we saw in Hawkeye, her father told her that she'd have to go to a regular school because he couldn't afford it remember? Fisk changed that! He took a liking to Maya at her dojo when he realized that she didn't let her disability hold her back, and I think that was when he really started bonding with Maya, which the flashback here supports. Fisk kept William busy so that he could spend more time with Maya and he did that by enrolling her in the private school she originally wanted to go to and by picking her up after school.
Yes, he used her as an assassin or his right hand, but he also cared for her as if she were his own child. He cannot get angry with her. In classic parent fashion, he's just disappointed with her.
I know the showrunner for this series has gone on record saying that NetFlix's series is canon to the MCU, but I'll believe it when I see it. I take his comments the same way I take the Russos' comments about Steve always being Peggy's husband--what they claim doesn't work with how the story explains time travel.
Kingpin, be it the Spiderverse or Netflix, has always put his family above all else. MCU Kingpin doesn't have Westley or Venessa. The only family he has is Maya. He told us in this story the importance of family; he's going to do whatever he needs to do to protect it.
I joined Blind Wave Beyond just to watch this specific reaction video early but for some reason the UA-cam link for this & episode 5 wasn't on the site 😥
Pretty please watch Blue Eye Samurai
Could have at least have had the ice cream guy do something worse, even if it would have been horrible of Fisk regardless.
That's some awesome tech though.
WTH? They didn't even eat...
10:30 She should have been like "na I have a gun ffs", *boom*.
Oh yeah! Crafting in the dark!
The point of the ice cream guy scene was to showcase Fisk’s and Maya’s deeply rooted anger issues. If the ice cream guy did something illegal it would have taken away from the point.
The Hammer isn't the one he used to kill is father as that one was a claw hammer if you watch Daredevil. You can read into that what you like.
Ep 5 when will it be out
The show literally said “had the power to heal & lift the pain from others” and Aaron really was like “she has the powers to heal, whatever that means” like come on 😂
Example: "Her very presence could light up a room and you would forget your worries." From that would you assume she was loved or that she has a super power?
What are you on about? That’s still super vague. 😂 you understand it once you see it, but that statement alone could really mean anything.
@@valathor95 When it’s a show that showcased her supernatural abilities, it’s not that hard to put 2 & 2 together that she has the power to heal & take pain away from others when that’s literally what the mom said the powers were😂😂😂
@@gualacheesesteak “take pain away from others” is in itself super abstract.
@@valathor95 not when it’s a show about someone with supernatural powers that was established in the 2nd episode 😂
I'm so... Conflicted, I want Fist to die because of who he is, but I also don't want him to die because of who he is.
Also I really hope this isn't a thing now where characters "die" like in the comics.
Have you seen the new on-set photos of Charlie Cox, Elden Henson, and Deborah Ann Woll? How psyched is Eric at the cosplay possibility of a bearded Foggy? 😄
They don’t look any of that stuff hopefully the first time they see it is in the first trailer or the show
This is also why they don’t read comments anymore, to avoid these types of spoilers. There’s a reason they’re called Blind Wave…
different hammer- fisk manipulation
healer....whatever that means?aaron does it on purpose now right
1:00 I have never been more on board with a villain giving someone an ass whooping than this moment here. I’m an uncle to my best friends daughters and I would absolutely want to do the same thing if someone ever made them feel bad like that.
WTH?
that outro music is fire “Bread & Cheese”
ep 4 fr is my fave, as with many penultimates
I really hope you guys watch The Beekeeper in your next movie reactions, it just released on digital last Wednesday
Oh hell yeah! The Beekeeper was so much fun and even cathartic! Can never go wrong with a Jason Statham movie!
This episode's conflict is the one plot/character point that kinda confused and/or bothered me, maybe someone can enlighten me. I felt like from the end of Hawkeye and the first few episodes of Echo, Maya's motivation was entirely to 1) kill Fisk as revenge for having her dad killed, and then 2) as part of that revenge, destroy and replace Fisk's empire. She seemed so dead-set on it these first few episodes, going as far as bombing and killing some of Fisk's employees Punisher-style.
So I found myself a little perplexed that she so seriously considered his offer of being given a chunk of his empire. I didn't see the motivation there and felt it came kinda outta left field. Is it just that like suddenly she felt her life would just be easier to not try to kill him again and instead work with him? Even though she was pretty successful in her goals so far? If so, I feel like the show didn't put in the necessary effort to work its way to that conflict of motivation after having it be so singular the first 3 episodes + Hawkeye's finale.
Yep, this is why the only word of Spanish I remember from school is piscina pool.
Fisk says he loves Maya.... But never learned sign language and depends on a translator?
I'll pay 100$ to you guys if you can please, please react to Final Space. It's a hidden. Masterpiece
Yeah that’s an incredibly small amount of money for them. Find a react channel with 10k subs or less and they’d probably consider it
@26:59 but Aaron, Fisk killed her Maya's father just as Fisk killed Fisk's father. IT IS THE SAME!
It’s different because Fisk wanted his father dead, but Maya didn’t want her father dead.
@@ElleKayGee I was joking 🤣
wonder how mcu hater scorsese feels about this show...
So I don’t have any experience communicating with deaf people, is that normal for people to whisper like that when they sign? What’s the point of that if the person can’t hear?
Probably for makering suer the sentantace sounds right and assosiaction
I would say so they can read on your lips
such a bad show
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