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ECHO 1x4 "Taloa" Reaction & Review! | Alaqua Cox | Vincent D'Onofrio | Marvel
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- Опубліковано 10 січ 2024
- The next Marvel show is finally here! Echo takes place after the events of Hawkeye with Maya Lopez set to take on Wilson Fisk aka Kingpin after the death of her father.
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Hi, I’m a Deaf person trying to watch this with auto caption (not the best) but when you refer to the wide shot, there’s a reason for this. Most of the time, in mainstream media, when a Deaf actor in the shot, the language is not properly shown because it’s being cut out and we can’t see what they’re signing. It’s basically the same if you are talking to someone and they cutting out certain word and you can’t hear them say it. It’s literally the same. So I appreciate the choice they made with full shot because that is considered respectful and appropriate in Deaf culture, we call it “signing space” like a box frame shape. So if any time the box frame is out of the shot, we can’t understand (hence we can’t see it) and it’s also considered ASL not a verbal language. What they are doing is called SIMCOM (talking and signing at same time) it’s a system, not a language. So the production and people behind this took a lot of time doing research and working with Deaf people, Deaf writers and Deaf consultants. So this is a big deal of representation and why I am so thrilled to see this sort of representation.
Side note: maybe it’s not hitting the way of your expectations because you are not Deaf. As a Deaf person, I felt that whole moment because of the ASL and you would know if you knew the language other than just subtitles. It!s exactly why I am thrilled to see Deaf perspective rather the typical Hearing perspective because you gets to see our world that way. How rare of an opportunity do you get that?
Thank you for sharing your view point
I love how we see that Maya wasn’t raised to be a criminal from the beginning. Her father and Fisk tried to give her a normal life and shelter her from this violence, but she was *naturally* drawn to it. She wanted this life. And now that she has reconnected with her roots she sees a better, more fulfilling life.
Also I would love a What If episode where we see what would happen if Maya actually ACCEPTED Wilson’s offer to become Queenpin.
Queenpin lol everytime i hear that word i throw up in my mouth a little and no that dosent make me a girl hating man just makes me someone tired of predictable girlboss type characters in Marvel these days
@@mattsmith1826 you literally just outed yourself as a misogynist! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Did the oil companies SCREW DISNEY ? #durangocide ua-cam.com/video/Qan2KiEZCs0/v-deo.html@@thedarkknight2221
She would become Darth Vader
@@thedarkknight2221 doesn’t make sense
I know if i dont like the critic then dont watch the channel will be said, however some things need to be pointed out. Asking why they went to a wide shot. Its ASL we have to see them signed. Thats why many of these shots are wide shot. Just because its not the way you prefer doesnt mean its bad. That goes for pacing or anything else.
When I was a Paramedic, I had a patient who was shot in the head and he was talking to me and fighting me when I was trying to treat him. People are hard to kill. I had another who's face was shot off. Both survived. It's not like on TV. Everyone who's shot doesn't die.
I liked Echo. It was well made, it was different from the usual, the Choctaw culture is incredible, and I loved the fighting scenes. This is another Marvel show where a powerful man grooms a child to kill. Think Thanos, Ego, and now, Kingpin. I'm glad to see Marvel using real places and exploring characters and emotions. Do I think the executives didn't make them chop it up? No. But, I did like it.
Exactly, Fisk walking away with Maya resembled Thanos holding hands with Gamora while her people get murdered.
With the death part, someone only dies if there brain or the heart stops functioning right. Even if part of their brain is gone, if they are breathing then they are alive. I remember reading Jurassic Park and there was something about being attacked by animals. People have this perception that you die immediately but the person who is attacked is actually still alive while their flesh is being ripped off.
I just learned her grandmother and grandfather were the couple from Dances With Wolves. Great actors.
The actor for the grandfather was in Die Hard with a Vengeance and one episode of the Last of Us.
The reason they had to do a wide shot was because she was signing, this isn’t a conventional show, you can’t be doing Cillian Murphy closeups. They had to ensure that the sign language was in shot as well, because the same would have to be done for Maya as well, if you notice every time there’s a “close up” their hands are in the shot too
You can't do *any* close ups
The signing is crucial dialog, so no closeups. And for all the folks who understand ASL & PSL, I'm grateful they didn't crop the other languages out.
People need to understand that not all marvel shows are gonna be on the same level and have the same theme as Daredevil, and not all marvel movies are gonna be on the same level as Infinity War and Endgame. Each show and movie has their own theme.
That’s not the problem the shows are boring, low quality, do nothing for the MCU, and feel like a waste of time to watch.
At this point, they can put out shitshow the movie and fans would go, this was different, amazing, best Marvel content since last Marvel Content. Why are people being negative? LMAO
@@Hunterese123 , because this show ain't about a blonde, straight, strong man with blue eyes who was born normal. Echo isn't an Oscar winning show and it doesn't need to be, it only needs to be fun and that's exactly what it is.
It's boring imo sorry@@ProbieKnox
@@Hunterese123 there's no pleasing you karens
@CinePals,
1:34 So you really don't know about Kingpin? He's human, sure, but he's superhuman in the comics. He looks like a fat person, but Kingpin is said to be something like 97% muscle. Yeah, getting shot in the face a point-blank range should be fatal, but they're taking a moment out of the comic book and putting it on screen sort of like Thanos had to snap his fingers to use the Infinity stones when he very clearly didn't have to--we saw him use the space stone, time stone, reality stone, etc. without snapping his fingers through two movies, but because several characters kept telling us he had to snap his fingers, many people actually believed that one must snap their fingers to make the stones work when you actually don't. Anyway, Kingpin tanked the bullet in the comic so, he has to tank it in the series too. It's fiction, so don't try this stuff at home, alright? =P
4:20 Aside from the echo effect with the lyrics?
6:19 Preach!
7:10 MCU Kingpin doesn't have any biological children. He liked what he saw in Maya as a little girl and eventually arranged for her father to be removed from the picture to make her his. Maya is his MCU child!
10:33 Because this series is for the hearing impaired more than for those of us who can actually hear? Its star is a hearing-impaired actress, a lot of the decisions made for this series were made with her interest in mind, as well as those of Native Americans. Why should they have to read subtitles when they can finally see their language signed, Jaby? Let the hearing impaired have their moment--they don't get many of them, you know? Every MCU project has an audience. If you keep the target audience in mind while viewing, you can probably understand why certain things were done this way or that in this series as opposed to other MCU projects.
12:41 I suspect not, and I hope not. Tony's not related to Steve and Rhody isn't related to T'Chala. We can have multiple Native American characters in the MCU that have no familial relations to others too. The MCU told us that Kahhori was Mohawk, and we were told that Maya is Choctaw. I'm not an expert on the many Native American tribes, but I figure they are like any other ethnic group, diverse: not all Asians are Chinese, not all Black People are Nigerian, and not all White people are British. What did What If? teach us? Kahhori's power came from the Tesseract. Echo is teaching us that her people came from a different plane of existence and were magical from the start.
14:57 I don't think so. He gave that to her as a gift to help her in every situation, not just with him. He wears a Bluetooth earpiece that has a camera and translator speaking into his ear--pretty cool tech, really. I know you too wish he learned signed language, but given how close these two are supposed to be, Vincent probably couldn't learn ASL fast enough in the time they had and instead of giving you closeups of him half-assing it, they came up with something better. It also helps the story, really. If Kingpin really wanted to be like a father to her, he would have learned ASL, but he sees her more of a useful tool...but also as a daughter.
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Achara just showed up again on a training video I had to watch - she plays "Sound Judgement". The voice of reason, as always. 🤣
What do you mean training video?
The voice of reason? I love Achara, when I subscribe to this channel a long time ago, she was the main reason, but that "privilege" thing that she said about Jaby in this video was a really low blow. Not everything is about privilege.
Honestly cutting the signing out for tight angles would be super disrespectful imo. Achara is right
Everybody is a critic has never been more apparent. Lighten the f up.
15:58 I really appreciate you two's honesty. Even though I like this series, my only issues is the pacing on some episodes and the finale. Regardles, you two are awesome! 🙏🏽💪
I do disagree strongly with Jaby's take on needing "close-up" shots. The signing is part of the performance. Its need to convey non-verbal communication in the deaf world just as small facial expressions add the overall performance in non-deaf portrayals.
2:03 I have never been more on board with a villain giving someone an ass whooping than this moment here. I’m an uncle to my best friends daughters and I would absolutely want to do the same thing if someone ever made them feel bad like that.
Jaby is so want to see a typical movie/show/Hollywood way of shooting stuff. There is no slow down or staring down in real life. About the whispering there is no need to shout when you're signing. A deaf person can not hear you neither you shout or not. Also the whispering forces us to pay attention on the subtitle so we would not miss when the other person who can not talk signs.
Kingpin sign language tech analyzer is similar to the taskmaster fight pattern technology which was probably a stolen piece of Stark software because Tony used it on Captain America during Captain America civil war which could have been sold to kingpin by William mysterio's number 2 guy who was also in the first Iron Man movie who Obadiah stane yelled at. This all makes sense when you think about the weight kingpin treats Maya is the exact same way Dreykov treated his own daughter and the black widows and the only difference on the two is Dreykov is more up front about his intentions and his opinion on women. While kingpin is more subtle on the way his perceive with his true intentions always being hidden and his true gold being unrecognizable to the average person.
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For the nit pickers lol I noticed the hammer in this episode isn't the same as the one shown in the Daredevil series. The one in this episode is a ball peen hammer used for metal work and the one in the Daredevil series was a claw hammer used for woodworking.
Fisk uses the hammer as a prop. He wants to push Maya towards murder(he would not have allowed her to use it) to complete her journey towards the dark side and remove her again from her true heritage. I loved the metaphor that Fisk is actually a colonizer in the story. He is wanting to control and bring everyone into his world until he has no more use for them. Like his deaf interpreter, there is only one exit plan to leave Fisk.
Jaby, you were excited to watch The Brothers Sun, that's what you were excited for!
I think it is Alaqua Cox's first acting role, so we should give her a pass if she is not always "on point" with her acting.
Correct, Hawkeye was her first gig ever.
I have to disagree on Alaqua's acting. If you watch any 1 of her interviews, you will see how smily & bubbly & sweet she is. So, her portrayal of an emotionless killer for Kingpin is pretty solid in my book.
I have a feeling that Fisk really loved Maya as a daughter and it wasn’t just manipulation like he did with Bull’s Eye.
Vincent D'Onofrio kills it as Kingpin no matter the material. That being said, I do hope the written material for the _Daredevil: Born Again_ show is much better. If like Achara said, this was them aiming for just a C to pass the test, then they better study and aim for that A+ when it comes to that show.
Most of D'Onofrio's performance was improvised according to the director
you were wondering if there was a connection to the What If? show Kahhori and Echo? The only connection i know if is Devery Jacobs. She plays both Bonnie in Echo and is the voice of Kahhori in What If. Ok, here is were i go on a mini rant, not about the show, but about how you are seeing certain scenes. you were going on at length about how they shot certain scenes like how when Maya walked up to her grandma and they acted like it was nothing. You cannot view this through non-native eyes. See, thats how it is at times when both parties are astranged from each other, especially for so many years, and there are unresolved issues. They are just being polite to maintain the peace until the issues are either resolved or they seperate from conversation. ALL of this is seen though the eyes of an indigenous person and their particular ways. so please, try to be a bit more open to some of the creative choices. as being someone who is of indigenous heritage, i understood it. it made sense to me.
Tantoo Cardinal is an amazing actress whose work over the years in my opinion is on par with al pacino and robert deniro
You have your moments Jaby but you're okay. 😅
By the way, Kingpin is a very tough dude who kicks spider man's ass quite a bit. Among others. So there's no doubt in my mind he would survive a bullet to the eye.
Secondly, Maya mentions this, but he's not the type of guy that would bother to learn sign language. He would much rather spend money on high-tech. I mean, he has plenty of it.
He's always been a bit of a spoiled brat.
And yet he learned Mandarin just to be able to understand Madam Gao in Daredevil.
I really liked how this episode demonstrates how multidimensional Fisk is as a character. He's manipulative and puts his business first and presumably killed Maya's father because of some dispute (possibly that the father was planning to leave the business? Maybe we'll find out in the last episode? 🤷♂) BUT he also simultaneously genuinely cares about Maya in his own way, to the extent that he absolutely clearly didn't want to kill her and still sees her as his potential heir to the throne and his legacy some day. Fisk is manipulative but is so in such a way that he's not actually lying to Maya, he's just presenting the truth in such a way that he hopes she will relent and come back into the fold.
I definitely agree that between this and the grandmother's scene this is the best episode of the series so far. We'll see how it plays out in the final act, but overall I think the show is decent, if somewhat flawed or confused in some ways. It's not my favorite MCU offering but I think Maya's character shows enough potential that I hope they can do a second season but which can tell a new story of its own with a little less meandering and fewer plot holes. The core is there for a potentially great show, it just needs some polish to get there.
Well, they don't make the show just for you soooo. Just because you don't like it and they can do differently a more "creative" to YOU, don't mean its b cause this and that or whatever or bad either, thats just what you personally want and how you like it and how you want them to do BUT remember they don't just make the show just for you, you are not the only person they want to please. So I don't get why he is going way too over and like mad they did not do a "better" way, to him.
I get it you have things you like but just because you like em don't mean others do
I think that the moment that Henry dropped Maya off at the Grandma's house was done very well. I think the quickness was to point out that he was tired of the back and forth, and he wanted her to go talk to her right now. I think that shows through in the words that he uses.
I read somewhere that they weren't going to have Echo become the "hero" of her story, because she's a villain / anti-hero, and the first scene made me think they were going to go this route. It would have been an interesting twist. I enjoyed the scenes between Maya and Fisk, they were tense. But if this was an 8 episode show, they could have done much more with it. The flashback scenes, specially the birthing scene, were some of the best parts of the show.
I liked echo much more than secret invasion
Jaby, i get you're trying to see the gramma's acting on her face but you're so focused on what they should do that you missed out on other things, the acting they did with their sign.
They expressed their feeling with their sign too, you can't exclude that especially on a show with a deaf lead!
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The bullet grazed the side of his face, it didn't go through his head. There is no exit would on the back of his head, and he still has his eye sight. If you get closer to her face, you cut off the signing which defeats a large part of the representation of the series.... There is no story connection with What If as yet, but the lady who plays Bonnie did the voice acting for the main character.
"I want the content to be emotional for me as well. I want to feel as emotional as possible..." And you don't think the character that this is based off of should be as relatable as possible to those who are hearing impaired and sign? By cutting the crops to make you happy, you then cut out a huge part for those this is being made for. There is a reason they had ASL experts on the staff for production.
It feels like this season was supposed to be longer than 5 episodes but they had to cut it down.
They didn't have to they chose to. They didn't have covid as an excuse like the other projects two years ago
It was originally supposed to have 8 episodes but some of the executives cut it down for some unknown reason
No more Google Glasses...we got Google Contacts!!
The heritage influence is strong with this one.
I know it's kinda wrong, but I was laughing when little Maya kicked that A-hole also. I didn't feel sorry for that guy at all. You shouldn't be mean like that to a kid.
The grandma performance definitely was great in this episode, but I wish there was more back story about Taloa being a healer like with the other ancestors. Maybe her mother's hands glowed with the power of the ancestors when she laid hands on people who were sick to heal them would've been a really nice reveal. The episode was named "Taloa", but we didn't even see much of her at all except for a few flashbacks.
I'm actually wondering if Kingpin didn't have anything to do with the death of Maya's father and it was just Kazi in Hawkeye wanting to move up the ladder by getting her father and his crew out of the way. Although Kingpin could've also told Kazi that if he leaked the info to Ronin he'd move him up in the Tracksuit Mafia.
The end credits Native song was hitting. It had me tapping my foot the whole time.
Loved the reaction and looking forward to the next one. 👍👍✌ out
Marvel’s movies and tv shows have their ups and downs but one thing that is constant throughout is the casting every part top to bottom the very beginning until now every part is perfectly cast.
You would literally be excluding deaf viewers, by not showing the signing. When Biscuit and his friend where in the junk yard/field talking with their back to the camera, it took you out the scene. Imagine being deaf and not being able to see your visual language expressed fully.
Oh shit!! He kept the hammer!!!!!
why are people mad king pin is alive like damn read a comic book
Sounds like you could put Teletubbies on and Achara will get emotionally invested in it. She seems to have a very low bar of quality for what she watches
Love the contact lense. Need that tech in real life.
did you guys stop watching monarch: legacy of monsters
5:38 I agree to be honest! 😂💪
Jaby is not subtle. He doesn’t understand subtle. Stick with Tarrentino Jaby. 20 gallons of gushing blood must be your speed I guess. Editing since ten doesn’t make you Spielberg. Exhausting arrogance..
Eyebrow comments?? She’s not a robot. She’s a person playing a particular character.. serious control issues man.
I guess ‘the brain’ found its way back through the door.
Bonnie's whole story arc get kidnap once and get kidnapped twice 😂. Why is she, in the show I don't get it.
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Little known fact in real life people have been shot in the head even in the eye and have survived, some with seemingly little damage.
2:14 Let the games begin
14:14 Exactly 😂
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Its fine to be negative but no need to hate on Achara for liking it, lol. That being said, this show was mid ...
Seriously i watched the fist episode and thought is was good. Does it fall off hard or you never licked it? I did think its was sus they kinda fast faward through her backstory.
Mid isn't a word
@@daurydavis3983 Mid is literally a word "In the mid 17th century". Your trying to sound smart but your saying misinformation.
@@daurydavis3983 mid is short for middle
He's not hating on Achara.
The more episodes go the more i relate with jaby.He is just bang on in those issues the shows having.Also i can't wait for his reaction to the next episode.Especially the end fight (even if you call that a fight).
I have to agree with Jaby, I felt like they could have done more to make the scenes more impactful. I've pretty much agreed with Jaby for every episode so far.
Are you guys going to watch cyberpunk edgerunners
Achara like take me back to Thailand
Bro what kind of a robot do you have to be for your criticism to be needing to hear dialogue instead of appreciating their physical acting. Americans seriously need to broaden their horizons.
Thank you, Jaby, for explaining to Achara the issues with the show!
Achara is giving a lot of passes to the subpar material in this show. It seems like it realizes a good portion of bad decisions in the show but she doesn’t want to say anything that it’s a “positive”. Doing that isn’t going to help the help us get better written and shot movies or shows.
She even said “it’s marvel” as a defense of why the show didn’t send more time on an emotional scene!
6:08 😂
Jaby please react to Planet Terror.
Please react to the series (Love&Death)
Please react to Alchemy of souls season 2
First: The technology translator is cool it's much easier to understand what you're saying. Second: They didn't have to kill that translator woman she didn't do anything wrong.
She didn't do anything wrong, but she was a loose end in Fisk's eyes. He did the same shit in the _Daredevil_ show. Once you're of no use to him, you die, because you witnessed personal moments/overheard information.
Maybe this episode will inspire Apple, Elon Musk, or whoever to make that tech a reality
Jaby your doing the same thing you recorded this reaction by have a wide shot as your using your hands to express yourself yet your complaining the show did the same thing.
I have nothing against all the signing. Its great representation. But i kind of agree with Jaby. They've hired all these great native actors and they are restricted with just hand signs, they're acting is not fully being let shine. Sometimes they aren't speaking or emoting, other times they're not doing close ups to their faces.
I don't think it's too restrictive. I think they just needed a better director who understands how to guide the actors with the sign language. For them, it's not just about memorizing the lines, as they would normally, but having to adjust to the body movements and express the emotional aspects of the signing that makes it slightly more challenging.
Ok so this is definitely not the same universe as the Netflix Daredevil series. Kingpin didn't wear white before meeting Vanessa and it was an extremely important moment when he did.
Now your complaining about the song not being original lmao wonder if it's possible to react to one show without you nit picking which is another word for complaining. If you can't you have a happiness issue
I mean that young black kid got shot in the head by that old white guy picking up his brother from the wrong house recently and he survived and is doing well. It's rare but surviving a gunshot to the head happens
Can’t wait for Jaby’s positive take on the final episode 😈
😂😂😂
I’m not sure if this is sarcasm or not but imo the finale is powerful (the best episode) even tho it’s short and can feel rushed as the whole show again imo is an unfinished potential. It could have been a great series with much deeper and well written script and with 8-10 episodes 40 at least minutes long, not like 5 short episodes. I liked Maya character and wished Marvel would do proper justice to this project…
This show is better than Loki, wandavision and overrated Falcon and winter soldier
I really appreciate Jaby’s honesty being real with his thoughts I really want to like the show just not there going to finish the last episode to complete I like the Actress the character but the show just bored
This is one of the worse reviews. Achara is at least open. But there is not enough moments in the day to listen to your presumption that you know more than the filmmakers. Bye bye.
i get Jabys frustration and angst at Achara now lol 😂.How can one person like and justify every single crap of content that is being presented in the screen i mean i get you being a positively upbeat happy go lucky guy/ gal but too much naivity and too much positivity is also harmful i guess i dunno 😂
It’s called opinions
Like assholes
Even though i might be on the minority here lets be honest here aside from all the native culture representation decent acting and decent cinematography not only is this show messy it is all over the place plot wise narration wise and story wise .Achara Kirk basically likes anything that is being filmed and presented on screen so useless to hear her opinion about anything but i agree with every single one of Jabys point of criticism.
I don't think you are in the minority here.A lot of people are disappointed watching this just because they are not criticizing it doesn't mean it's the minority.
“Minority”
Are you looking for attention? The hell
Kinda statement is that.there are PLENTY of people who aren’t feeling this show
This show, much like everything Disney has put out recently, was not meant for men. It’s a girl power movie. An embarrassing one. Wait until you get to # 6. Sigh. This isn’t mid. It’s bad. Choctaw everywhere should be protesting this. Chief Pushmataha is turning over in his grave.
T-R-A-S-H
Yet you're here
It’s not good. Mid range low.
Lol lets be honest this series is 💩
Jaby it doesn't matter if they talk when doing signing. People usually don't talk while doing it. It is more realistic to real life. Jaby you are such a negative nelly. Doesn't matter about the close up on the grandmother. It was not a boring scene Jaby. Oh my god.