Deer Hunters | How Big Is That Buck? (
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2024
- www.GrowingDeer.tv: Deer hunters, using video of bucks in real hunting situations an expert from Boone & Crockett shares his tips on how to estimate a score of a deer's antlers. Field judging a white-tailed buck is made easier with these tips to guide hunters when snap judging the score before the shot. Watch and learn how to quickly score your bucks this next hunting season.
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Can't wait to see your elk hunt!
James - Unfortunately, I don't have an elk hunt planned this year. I did draw a deer tag in Kansas and will hunt in Kentucky in addition to may place!
Just got a buck
Congratulations!
You guys spoke quite a bit on brow tines. From a Wildlife Biologist perspective, what is your thoughts on deer without brow times at all. Unlike spikes that can develop later, I've read that if they don't have brows, that their genetics are preventing them from growth. So that said, would you try to prevent him spreading those genes? Would you cull a no brow point buck?
We never recommend "culling" bucks. Culling has been shown to have no effect on free ranging deer. For culling to work, there must be a pedigree, which cannot exist in wild deer. This is one reason we choose to harvest bucks based on age. Age and nutrition are the two things that mangers can influence. We discuss how to age deer in this video: www.growingdeer.tv/#/deer-hunters-guide-to-aging-bucks-before-the-shot -Daniel
GrowingDeer.tv I've been following you guys for years and I understand thay...however, no brow tines appears to be a genetic abnormality...not a lack of age/nutrition. So therein lies my question. He will never develop brow tines...therefore never develop a traditional looking rack, and will spread his genes further. I have traditionally let my kids shoot them. Are you telling me that it would not matter at all that it's genetic and not nutrition like a spike would be?
It is genetic but culling deer will not change the herds genetic's. When you see a buck, you only see the phenotype (the antler characteristics). What we often forget about is the genotype (the genetic characteristics we can't see). Even though a buck may show a specific phenotype, it could also have many genotypes that are simply not seen. These genotypes will never be expressed as phenotypes in future generations if a deer is culled based on phenotype. -Daniel
GrowingDeer.tv , Now I understand your point. I still think it's potentially debatable as to whether or not to let them spread their genes through further breeding, but at least I understand where you're coming from. Still though, you're making a point for genetic diversity...and considering the bucks are only half of the genetic input, there's potential that the offspring would not have this malformation. On my hunting properties (2-10 acre spots) we have tons of does and only a handful of bucks. When my kids first start hunting, they are free to shoot whatever deer they want. Once they start, they work their way up...as I have. So, these couple of bucks with no brow tines, it was an opportunity to allow them to step up to a bigger buck without going to the truly nice ones yet. I felt like I didn't want to spoil them on larger bucks and to be happy and pleased with what God provides. Although the lesson has always been that in herd management, that we need to let them grow older and more mature...while concentrating on thinning does. Now with your perspective in mind, I'll be less likely to take out a buck without brow tines. We stopped taking spikes long ago after reading conflicting studies going back a long time. It was Dr. Woods study of the buck in New York that went from spike the first year to a respectable B&C buck in his prime years. I do wonder what a six year old buck with no brow tines would look like. Could be interesting! The last one we took was a 3x3 but really wide for a 2.5 year old.
Something else I have seen in other field antler judging discussions is body size. By that I mean a large bodied buck can actually make a decent set of antlers look not as impressive, and a small bodied buck can make mediocre antlers look much bigger. Body size can be difficult to assess, especially if a buck comes in by itself and there are no other deer with it to compare it to. I have had several bucks thru the years ground shrink after putting them on the ground due to misjudging body size and throwing my antler assessment off. On a side note, never apologize for the size of deer you have harvested. Every hunting and harvesting experience is unique and exciting and never let shrinkage, etc. take away from that life event. Thanks for all the good tips.
Thanks for sharing!
This thought me a lot that I didn’t know.Awsome video and thank you for taking the time to teach us all.Even at 48yrs old you are always learning.
Robert - I'm 61 and still learning!
i appreciated you guys putting a better quality video over the monitor in the finished video
:) Thanks! -Daniel
my oldest son and I have a big 10 pointer a few 8s and then there's the yearlings and 2 year olds that take up most of our trail camera activity anything from spikes to a nice six that has amazing character and potential we are excited for the deer hunting to come this year
Sounds like it should be a fun fall chasing those deer! -Daniel
Enjoyed your video on scoring and aging deer. I killed a giant 12 point thought, until I watched your video and got Boone and Crockett score sheet on line. It scored 135 . It really helped to understand how to judge the points and mass. I am 71 years old and am learning every day. Really like your channel. GOOD HUNTING
Neat! Thanks for sharing Tom! -Daniel
How many bucks can you guys kill on your property ? Also how many doe tags do you get ?
Each hunter is allowed 2 bucks a year (only one with a firearm). Archers can shoot unlimited does and we get 2 anterless tags for firearm season. -Daniel
GrowingDeer.tv how is that cause here in pa we can get one buck tag and buy unlimited doe tags but it seems that you guys don't even need licenses.
Each state manages their bag limits differently based on biological and social influences. -Daniel
Off topic a little, how do you and your interns keep the ticks off during your days as you roam around. Looks like all your pants legs run straight to the ground, whats your secret. Heard Missouri had plenty of bad one's. Have 3 racks on 1 camera survey and a big hog.
We have MANY ticks!!! We have found that Permethrin works great for treating clothing. It lasts up to two weeks and several washings. We don't go out in the summer unless we have treated our clothes with it! -Daniel
Do u feed your deer all year round
We cannot have any feed or attractants in our county due to CWD regulations. -Daniel
GrowingDeer.tv then how do yall keep deer in the area
We do our best to provide deer with the best quality habitat in our area. If you can find and focus on one thing that your property has that your neighbors do not, you can draw and hold local deer on your property much easier. -Daniel
GrowingDeer.tv what about food plots and apple trees or something can yall do that
GrowingDeer.tv and attractents like doe pee or something can yall use that
How many bucks in one season per person?
Great video!!
Thanks! -Daniel
hey Grant sad day on our property I'm currently waiting for the game warden at my house we went to do another scout on our cedar bedding area and found a dead deer nice little four points probably one and a half year old bullet holes entry and exit we suspect a poacher will check inferiates me wld have been a nice buck in a couple years or even a nice youth buck for one of the nephews or nieces just beside myself right now hope you have a blessed sunday
That is not good! Keep us updated on what they find out. -Daniel
How many acres do you guys own
The Proving Grounds is 2200 acres. You can find out more about The Proving Grounds here: www.growingdeer.tv/view/our-place/ -Daniel
Wow, did not know it was that large of acreage! Very cool. Again another great video, and I continue to learn more and apply to my area in Ky.
we saw him...the monster buck I mentioned that we never really knew how many points we went and sat night m our blind for a while it's not deer season but we were doing some scouting and he popped into a food plot at 150 yards I got the binos on him he has 12 points with monster brows and drop times off his main beams so that wld v at least 14 scorable that is huge for vt we are so excited hoping to harvest him this fall wow
WOW! Sounds like a giant! -Daniel
Got 1 young buck that only has 1 antler damage in velvet
and a buck with very long spikes be interesting to see what they turn into in a couple years
Very cool! We have one like that too!! -Daniel
I love non-typicals...it really bothers me how that hurts the score.
We like non-typicals too! -Daniel
Love the videos and we don't set out cameras but we we're at our hunting club and saw a good 8 in velvet
Very neat Clay! Hope you have a blessed season! -Daniel
Thank you for the great video Dr. Grant! Wonderful insight on how to score a deer. My son and I love your program, and appreciate all that you and your team do to help educate fellow outdoorsmen. Keep up the great work!!
Thanks Jonathan! -Daniel
Tell us about your bucks! What have you seen while scouting this year?
GrowingDeer.tv I've seen 2 six points
1 eight point
And a spike
WOW! -Daniel
GrowingDeer.tv I have seen to trophies 8 and a big seven also a ton of smaller bucks and spikes
Cool! -Daniel
I've got a 145 inch 3 beamed buck, a mid 150s 10 point, a mid to high 150 inch 10 point with one huge brow, and a mid 150 inch 9 point all I estimate to be over 4 1/2 years old. Other than that I have about four 120-145 inch deer that need one more year
I've also learned take off like 50 inches from whatever you guess them at when they're in velvet. Especially when it's your buddy who sees 150+" bucks every year but never shoots one. 😀
HAHAH! -Daniel
Excellent video! that was great insight on scoring bucks on the hoof before the decision to shoot. Man was Richard spot on with his estimates! that was awesome! I cant wait to get out and see how I can do with estimating age and score this season!
Thanks Kenny! Keep us updated on what you see in the field! We always enjoy hearing! -Daniel
we enjoy every episode and pop up notification I can't believe usually check it and watch till the evening due to being at work til 6 or later Monday to Friday thanks for all u do for the people who are serious about managing their own habitat and growing a healthy deer population
Thanks for sharing! -Daniel
Look forward to this show every week
Thanks Sam! -Daniel
I just wanted to say that growing deer is amazing
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And also has great content
Props to you growing deer tv
Thanks! Theres lots more information at growingdeer.com ! -Daniel
That episode was awesome! 😊
Thanks Jamon! -Daniel
there is a very massive deer on the property I have jumped him 2 times in 2 or 3 years never got him on a trail cam his rack is massive we guess he has to be a 12 or bigger and I wld say he's at least 6 years old there are several stories from everyone that hunts the area about how the only time you see g he's already seen you and is headed out just a very old and wise monster buck we wld love be to harvest him if we do I will send video or pics for sure
Hope to see pics!! -Daniel
It would have helped to know HOW he made the determination about tine length, spread. That would help those of us who don't get to look at trophies like these very often and can't judge based on having seen so many.
Eric - There are some general rules of thumb that many folks use such as
the circumference of a deer's eye is often about 4" and the length of
white of a deer's ear is usually around 7". These indicators of size
and vary some region to region. They do serve as good guides. Brow
tines are usually fairly short and if they can be accurately estimated
than the length of the other tines are easier to estimate based on
comparing to the brow tines.
I'm always praying for you guys and your dad grant hope he is doing well thx for the great content
We appreciate that. Thank you! -Daniel
Seen a bunch of 1-2 year olds this year
Lots of up and comers? -Daniel
Yea can't wait till they get older so I can see their full potential
I want to take this time to give thanks to the vt game warden and state police they came and looked at the deer that was poached and are conducting an ongoing imveatigation and one of the wardens will be watching surrounding roads to watch for suspicious activity thank you
Why didn’t you let your guest properly explain “inside spread” before interrupting him!
ya work hard to make a decent habitat for your deer and get neighbors and friends with the same management goals and still someone feels the need to take a velvet buck a young one and just leaves it to die I'm hoping the game wardens and other authorities can do an investigation and bring the criminal to justice
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Sweeeet! -Daniel