As a guy who's put a lot of venison down wearing blue jeans, I can't help but think of Fred Bear's advice: "The best camouflage pattern is called 'hold still and be quiet!'"
@KinkyKangaro0 when I was a kid, it was mostly sitting up against trees on the ground, still hunting, or deer drives. These days it's a mix of homemade tower stands (some enclosed, some not).
@@DashcamAmerica scent does t matter if you play the wind. There's no product out there that can trick a deers nose. Not a single one. Gotta play the wind
The camo pattern discussion was really interesting. Camo marketing is much like fishing lure marketing. They make what looks good to us, not necessarily to deer or fish.
yeah I've been researching fishing recently and really if you want to use only 1 thing, give it the shape of the fish's main food and make it white, maybe with some silver glitter in it. so 2 to 3 inch paddle tail that's white with silver glitter is the universal everywhere lure.. if your in salt water that or a shrimp with the same color scheme. if your going with 2 lures a darker one with gold glitter works well at night too. the gold glitter is easier to see then the silver glitter at night. but both work at night. in salt water you might want a bigger lure like 3.5 to 6 inchs.
Ya, deer see only blue color so bright the way we see that flashy bright orange, and other than that, they are colorblind, so it doesn't matter if you dress in camo. People should study behavior, smell, and vision during night vs. day. Camo is for us if you don't want to see each other in a forest then wear it other than that you can dress in whatever but blue. Interestingly enough like our TVs only have red, green, and blue, and we see all different colors bc our brain creates them; however, if a bird watching our tv would say how stupid humans are as those colors are shit, only three colors that tv has they must be idiots to watch that shit stupid humans, lol. So, don't get fulled that camo will do anything for ya, as deer with long noes, similarly like coyotes, have an incredible sense of smell, and you cannot hide it from them no matter if you buy so many different smelling stuff for deers at for example a bass pro shop or any other store. Even if you would bath in deer pist or cayoty to them, it smells so different that they can easily smell deference that it is not deer or other cayoty. So save some money for amo and arrows and stay against the wind and don't make noise and you will be good. Other than that, it is a waste of money.
So true, most of the time I hunt in my solid green carhartt jacket and my old military BDU pants and I haven't noticed many issues with deer spotting me. Interestingly enough though most modern military camos are made to reduce UV and IR light.
Deer can SMELL you 180, they can SEE you 310, but they can HEAR you 360. If you ignore 360, you probably won't have to worry about 180 and 310. Watched a video years ago about stalking your property before you even arrive in your automobile. Where you park, car stereo, door ding, rattling your keys, slamming your car door, metallic noise retrieving a stand or other equipment out of the back of your truck, a squeaky farm gate, talking out loud on your cell phone, etc.. are all critical non-woodsy sounds that will alert a deer to your presence. They may not run off, but they know you are there and they will adjust their behavior accordingly. Very informative video, thanks!
Man im a smoker and most of the deer have been shot while I have a cigarette in my mouth. I also am smoking though when I'm clearing shooting lanes and stuff in late summer so they must just be used to me walking around my woods smoking. The worst thing was like 8 years ago when they brought the highway about 100yds closer to the house and made it the only 4 lane leading up to Canada in the area lol but that's mostly because the road noise increased so I can't trust my hearing as much.
the counter to this would be if you are hunting on a farm where deer are already accustomed to hearing sounds like tractors running, people working, etc
I grew up with my Father, grandfather and great grandfather. I wish they were alive to see the things we can do today. Thank you guys I’m glad I found this page. (My Dad held a state record in South Carolina for Buck for years) 🤘🏻🤠💜
I could listen to Bronson Strickland (MSU Deer Lab) and Karl Miller talk about deer all day. Love when you have these guys on to share their wealth of knowledge. Thank you guys!
First deer I ever killed, I was wearing jeans, a plaid flannel shirt, a camo hat and an orange vest.....AND, I was standing on the ground next to a pine tree, in a planted pine thicket.
As a Human Anatomy & Physiology teacher I ate this episode up! So much covered is what I teach my students about our vision. Great episode guys. Love it!
WOW!! Guys I really don't have the patience to listen to podcasts, but oh boy, I was "GLUED" to this podcast, absolutely fantastic, I learnt so much, it was just so educational. About 3/4 way through it my eyes were burning 🔥. I realised I was so focused on the TV I was staring & not blinking.😅 I live in N.Ireland so greetings.
I love this podcast most of the hunting podcasts bc yall give the info/details of what exists, which then allows us hunters to use the info to form our strategies. Not all places hunt the same and not all strategies will apply everywhere.
I use a Blacklight to check my camo and use UV blocker spray accordingly... Works great, especially on blaze orange which usually flows brightly when new ..
Solid tan or shade of tan….look up ASAT this was one of the original camo that was designed to breaking up you pattern. Also realtree escape is a good camo. Digital camo was found to not work so well and hence why the army stopped using it
Talking about breaking up the outline of the predator. I remember when the Marine Corps first introduced its current camo pattern. People made fun of it because it’s pixelated, but it’s way more effective than the previous pattern. I had an instructor that had someone sit on a hill in the digi cammies, and someone in the old. Just sparse grass and small shrubs no bigger than a foot or two. Everyone immediately spotted the old cammies, and we all had to search for the digi.
Absolutely 100% the best podcast I’ve ever heard ! Y’all knocked the ball out of the park with the bases loaded ! GRAND SLAM !!! Thanks a blue zillion for all this fantastic information !!! 🦌
GREAT discussion, fellas! Always love your conversation style and the questions y'all ask. You guys are at the top of the deer hunting podcast game in my eyes.
One other thing, an old hunter long ago told me don't ever use soap or detergent when washing your hunting clothes. He said just use plain hot water, and same for showering the night before you hunt or when on hunting trip. No soap or shampoo just a good hot water shower and wash rag. Then baking soda deodorant and baking soda inside of boots.
@@meghan7547 Your correct but taking a few simple steps can greatly reduce your scent signature for lack of a better term. Everything you can do to help minimize your scent signature helps, IMO.
Add baking soda to the clothes wash. Been doing it for years and have deer inside 20 yards routinely. Warm water and baking soda. Store clothes and boots in plastic bags and only wear them in the woods.
Wow! What a great topic. I wish I had seen this 3 weeks ago before elk hunting. I knew about elk seeing blue colors but I had no idea about fabric brighteners. I knew about blaze orange but I didn't think about reflectivity of fabrics. I try to be quiet while walking through the junipers but I didn't think about cadence. I hunt cow elk. They are even harder to find and shoot than bulls. I try to mask my sounds with cow or calf calls much as you use turkey calls hoping that any sounds I make are ignored as "normal". I also knew about movement detection but not to the degree that was discussed. Also, my knowledge about the blob effect was insufficient. I was unsuccessful this year but am at the 50% success rate. However, now I see that most of my success was due to luck. I was at the right place at the right time. I grew up hunting white tail in Missouri. Hunting elk is completely different. Thank you for giving me more skills that I can use for either white tail or elk. I am going to send a link to your channel for this video to my hunting buddies.
Many thanks for a tremendous discussion. While a lot of this is geared to bow hunters in trees, I appreciated the part on ground hunting. As a gun hunter here in the Northeast (Maine) for 65 years, the information you've given us here is invaluable.
57:00 I'm so glad he actually explained this cuz I was thinking the whole time of that scenario when the deer's head is down then it changes their field of sensitivity from horizontal to vertical, but now I know it does not
Just found the site and subscribed, ( even though I've never hunted the South. Really good stuff; clearly cutting-edge research well-presented by a couple true experts on how deer see, hear and smell their surroundings. The hosts are great at asking appropriate questions at the right times, and then sitting back and giving the scientists a chance to answer them in depth. Keep it up, Guys!
Thanks man! We are glad you enjoyed the episode and subscribed! We have 3-4 other episodes with biologists on here you'll probably enjoy. What state/Country are you from?
Outstanding podcast and I’m not even done. It’s my first year deer hunting in North Carolina & recently drew a permit for a wildlife refuge that’s supposed to be packed with deer. My plan is to hunt from the ground so this information today has absolutely changed the game for me & I’m super excited to test this knowledge in the field. 54:05
I hunt from the ground exclusively. I just happened upon this video and half of what I'm doing now they talked about. Breaking up your outline in front and back of you. I sit at the base of a 100 year old oak. I piled up a few logs on each side of where I sit and plop down in between them. I've got my 3d cut camouflage netting and where a 3d leafy cut pattern camo outfit. Those deer Don even know I'm there. Conquest EverCalm is my masking scent and I've had deer in every direction and I don't even exist to them.
I WEAR CLASSIC ASAT CAMO AND USE A UV KILLER , WITH SHAG CARPET ON THE BOTTOM OF MY BOOTS WITH FOX OR DOE IN HEAT SCENT AND AS A COVER SCENT I USE SMOKE , THE ONE SMELL ALL DEER KNOW .
Fabulous presentation. A great deal of our brain activity is taken up with vision, even to the extent of "tuning out" other sensory inputs to focus on what we are seeing. I'm curious if deer brains have the same issues, or even what areas of a deer's brain are taken up by its senses, such as smell, hearing, and vision. I've heard it said that humans and dogs sense the same thing in different ways. Such as, if a human looks at a bowl of stew, he will SEE meat, gravy, potatoes, carrots, onions, and green beans. If a dog looks at a bowl of stew, he will SMELL meat, gravy, potatoes, carrots, onions, and green beans.
I didn't knowwhat to expect and i thought the length would be to long to actually pick up some info quick. But this podcast was so captivating and informative !! thanks again !
I live in Florida and am trying to figure out hunting on public land here. It’s tough, but this podcast gave me sooooo much information and things to think about. I subscribed when you guys had the other guy talking about deer movement.
Just found your channel and I’m glad I did. Really valuable content! I’ve been hunting for forty years and and amazed at how much more there is to learn. After I watch videos like this one it’s surprising we still have success, the whitetail is a formidable creature for sure.
Well hope you got time there’s enough information if they don’t publish another one it would take you years to get through their content I’ve been following for almost 2 years and UA-cam has changed my hunting knowledge over the past 5 years and I’ve been hunting by myself for about 20 years now and if I knew a quarter of what I know now when I was younger when I could hunt deer 30 days out of the season. Got 14 days scheduled to hunt this year.
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Great video. I pack my gear in a closed bag with branches, leaves, and especially pine branches. I try to be quiet and use my ears first, unless the deer enters my vision otherwise I have to move. I sit still, and only move like a sloth. Last year I had a doe and fawn under my stand with the doe looking right in my direction. She never saw me while the fawn jumped, played with a mock scrape, and the second doe walked right past me. Then they came around and only when a doe (no fawn so probably different) was 10 yards away, staring right at me in my open shooting lane did she stop, stomp, head bob, and go back to grazing after about two minutes of me holding my breath. She came back after being zeroed and I filled my freezer.
Very informative! I am able to hunt a 20 acre part of area that is surrounded by a lake, hunting lease, and farm crop. It is a small area however it is a choke point for deer to move from bedding area to food area to water area. It has been a honey hole for many years. The one thing I have certainly notice...is the 48+hours of rest that I give the area after the weekend. The hunting lease guys disturb the area tremendously. I slip in w/my bow on Tues or Wed morning. I It has been a long while that i have not filled all of my tags for whitetail.
I hang a lot of flagging tape maintaining property boundary lines. Used to wonder why moose would always nibble and pull down the blue flagging and never touched the yellow or orange, this explains it
Thank you for this topic. I was in the old camp of sense of smell is the primary, but after watching this, I have changed my mind. I have already incorporated better housekeeping and planning regarding vision. I also think back to how many times I got busted drawing and (probably wrongly so) blamed noise of the arrow on the shelf or a wind shift. I was elk hunting in CO a few years ago and my hunting partner told me he could see my bow reflections way before he saw me. I tried to 'de-reflection' my bow with tape, but too heavy, then sprayed with flat paint, with little effect. Obviously blinds are good for this, but not practical for every treestand setup. My question is-have studies been done with reflections? If not, are any planned? Thanks for a great channel. It is actually the only podcast I listen to.
Just a slight critique. Most bows are rated at 330 FPS or slower, and that's the absolute upper limit. Realistically, an arrow might go 280-300 FPS. The speed of sound is 1125 FPS at 20 Celsius. The sound is getting to the deer at least 3 times faster than the arrow.
Talking about deer and lights, Saturday 10/5 two of my kids and I were spotlighting deer (legal in Indiana) and came upon two cows that had got out of a farmers fence. I got out of the truck with my spotlight and tried to get the cows back in the pasture. I ran back and forth a few times before giving up and getting back in truck. My kids were amazed, while I'm running cows, two doe were 30 yards from me and didn't seem to care and never ran and even grazed the grass. We were on a remote road close to State forestry.
I've bow hunted deer with a cigarette hanging out of my mouth several times and fully believe it's all about not being seen moving. As long as the deer isn't looking at you, it's possible to still hunt/stalk a deer and walk right up to him.... I'm not expert, this is just my two cents on my own 40 years of being in the woods ..
Great ‘cast boys! I gotta say that an arrow is usually only traveling at a quarter of the speed sound. While that’s still pretty quick, it NOT “just a little slower”
After deer hunting for about 60 years or so, and spending countless hours actually reading, studying, discussing, and listening to literally many dozens of top quality experts, I am going to offer a couple more point that need to be said. Nothing said in this video mentioned these but truthfully, they are critical to recognize. Point 1: Every deer is different, just as all people are unique in their own way. Some deer are easy going, relaxed by nature, and not necessarily always on high alert. I've had deer walk right by me sitting or standing on the ground where I was fully visible to the deer without necessarily even being aware I was there unless and until I moved. Even then, some of them didn't panic but just continued on their way. I have concluded that a deer trusts their senses to alert them to danger. So if a human has been sitting or standing still for a while, the scent is dispersed or minimalized, and the human isn't moving or making noise, if a deer walking through the woods taking a leisurely stroll walks close to that human it truly may not detect that a human is there until it is within mere feet of the human. Essentially, none of its natural alarms triggered any panic response. I've had deer walk by me within 10 feet or less. But because a deer's systems didn't trigger any alarm, even if I moved a little to see the deer better, the deer will not always flee because nothing has yet told the deer that I am any sort of threat. My point here is movement alone, until a deer sees a human as a threat, may not spook the deer into flight. Point 2: Deer are more intelligent than we may think. One summer I had to manually haul tools and materials to repair a deer stand by walking them in down a trail. On my very first trip in, a doe bedded down in cover at the edge of the edge of the food plot area where I was going stood up as I came down the trail. She was no more than 20 yards off the trail. But she didn't panic or leave. She just stood there watching me walk on by. Many deer have seen humans and are not necessarily always spooked by them. As I walked past her, she bedded back down and watched me drop off my materials at the deer stand on the other side of the food plot. She watched as I walked back by and never even stood back up. I made 4 trips back and forth down that trail and she just stayed there patiently watching my every move each time I went by. The point here is that if a deer sees you and doesn't consider you to be a threat, they may just stay where they are and watch you. As with Point 1, every deer is different. On my final fourth trip back to the stand, I decided to test the doe. When I got even with her, I turned off the trail and took two steps toward her. She instantly bolted and left the area, not to return. As long as a stayed on the trail and passed peacefully, she was content to stay bedded and just watch me work. I'm convinced had I not tested her, she probably would have laid there and watched me repair the deer stand! Obviously, she didn't have anything better for entertainment that day. Point 3: During my teen years, and while hunting with my recurve bow where I needed a close, clear shot, I had a doe come over a ridge top where I was set up just below the opposite ridge line. She was originally about 15 yards away. As I tried to draw for a shot, she spotted my movement but did not panic nor flee. I'm convinced she saw me as a human and maybe even as a hunter. All she did was trot back over the ridge top and move about 5 yards further away. I was only a few feet from the ridge top and so I eased back over the ridge. She was just staring at me from a slightly safer position. Again I tried to get off a shot but she once more played a cat and mouse game of trotting back over the ridge top. Again, she moved further away. We did this back and forth chase game several times until she had moved too far into the cover for me to get a shot at all. As with many other deer, being spotted and even probably being identified as a human hunter does not necessarily cause EVERY deer to flee. Many are just not all that concerned even when in close contact with a human. In this third case, I was standing up and even continually moving toward the doe trying to close the shooting range. Yet that never bothered this particular doe. Each of these deer all appeared to feel strongly in control of the situation because they were in their home territory and there was no immediate violent action on my part when we had these close encounters. I believe animals can sense panic and high emotions in humans so they will react quickly to any human who moves fast or displays aggressive motion that triggers a deer's natural alarm systems. But if a human remains mostly still and calm, moving slowly and without panic or excitement, often a deer will not alarm on the mere presence of a human and may not even flee. As I say, every deer is different so other deer may run for their lives not stopping until they clear the next county line!
Fascinating, informative and all about the king and queens of the woods! Keep up the good work gentlemen!! Thank you for your time docs and your lifelong passion to these amazing creature God made for us to enjoy.
This is why I feel camo patterns with whites and lights to mimic sky tones are critical when in treestands. My next question would be if beards help mask the circular human white face, meaning bearded men can get away more from having to wear masks or face paint
Really good info! I make my own wood arrows and I put a lot of thought into feather colors but I'm still torn on my opinion. I love the look of blue feathers but I avoid them for hunting. Yellow, orange and red is far better. I often use two white feathers for blood color tracking purposes. I know white is highly visible so I have mixed feelings about them. Others have claimed white feathers on their arrows are not a detriment unless you are waving them around. Birch trees have white bark and deer are not running away from everything white they see. Having bright arrows will improve your shooting because you can see the arrow in flight as well as where it impacts. I think the advantages of bright colored arrow feathers and especially nocks outweigh any disadvantages. Wood arrows are quieter and more natural sounding if you accidentally clang them. As for camouflage well it certainly works for humans, not sure about deer. I glassed my two hunting buddies 500 yds away. I could easily see one wearing solid colors but the one in camo I didn't even realize he was standing next to him until he moved. Camo does nothing for motion however. We have all been busted by deer walking in camo.
I talked to a guy who did hurricane relief from a helicopter. He said anyone in a uniform was easy to spot but rescuers in different coloured vest/jacket/pants were hard to pick out. Bright debris was everywhere so the safety colours didn't stand out but the complete human shape just jumps out to the eye.
Its a product called no glow, made by atskens, or something like that, i use it and its a big differenc, first time i used it on my Cabela's burber, had a doe walk 3 ft from me while I was leaning on a cedar tree, game changer after that as long as your clothes treated good, and super scent tight, and little luck. It was drizzling rain, and i was slow walking the woods
Its atsko sport wash and uv killer spray, only stuff i use, no artificial scent cover, i leave hunting clothes outside at least a month before season, plus some other stuff, but its a ritual, and works great if wind changes, only took 20 years to figure out my combo.
27:38 Do I have to say it? Fred Bear advised that the best camouflage is standing still. I've been using dark gray bib overalls and shirt or jacket for deer hunting. It matches tree bark or looks like a rock or stump out in an open field. BTW, we use detergent with no enhancement s. As regards to sound, deer will get used to loud noises and machinery like tractors. Great vid.
I wash my camo in water only and hang dry for this reason. I read an article in whitetail magazine when I was about 13 back in the early 90's that said the same thing.
A lot of good advice here, some of which I had already learned from my own experience. The information about the deer's visual acuity was particularly interesting. Thanks for a very instructive video
Outstanding info! BUT, please call them and ask: does a UV flashlight/blacklight help see what clothes might pop out more? I have blaze orange hats never washed in UV brighteners, and while some don't glow, others do. Can't tell by eye in sunlight (at all) which will. I check all my camo/outter wool with UV light now. Valid?
Yeah i believe all blaze orange lights up to black light just turn off your lights and run the uv light and it will glow. I want to know this too. I was actually talking to someone else on youtube about this. He said he avoids blaze orange because of the uv
This is exactly what I'm trying to figure out. My Gamehide Sneaker vest has camo patterning that shows up as purple under UV light. The orange material is muted/dull under UV, but is pretty shiny when hit by LED from a flashlight. My Realtree Edge pants, jacket, etc. do not glow at all under UV.
@ i think a pair of sneakers wont be enough to alert the deer. I went into the sitka store and asked “what about blaze orange” because of this conversation and they answered “interesting you know about this topic, we minimize by using certain materials that glow under uv but it still glows then he said even in the woods there are certain things that do glow under uv light.” After a bunch of research im more tuned in to their sense of smell than their sight. Hunt with the wind in your face and dont move.
Im interested in how the reflection of snow camo compares to the reflection of snow in a deers eye. If the fabric material matches the reflection of the snow can you still be spotted easily; since you are wearing a more solid color with nothing to break up the shape of your body
I found the deer whistle conversation interesting. A few years back I had a 6.0 powerstroke and had found deer to not come out in the road as often as vehicles that did not have a turbo. It’s not even scientific but I had just assumed the frequency of the turbo noise was deterring them from crossing the road
That and they are not "ducking" your arrow. Their legs are recoilling to bound out of the situation. The loud sudden noise makes them instinctively react to the noise. Super high twitch muscle fibers abound. Its just a natural reaction to the sudden noise. Most times they never know where the sound actually came from so they will react and bound off and if not struck actually stop and then try to find out where the sound actually came from.
What do you think about aiming low and forward to accommodate for the deer recoiling? Heard it helps to get heart instead of high lung shots, reducing run distance
Thank you for The WEALTH of information. As i listened along, i was hoping that you guys would cover a view / opinion on home-made spray paint camo . This is the first time I've listened to your channel, and i subscribed straight away. So Cheers, from Australia, I'm looking forward to following your channel and learning so much more from you.
Fascinating episode. I wish there was a nice guide or spreadsheet of brands, camo patterns, detergent brands/types, etc... I literally ran to my washer and pulled my KUIU stuff out to just soak in baking soda instead of run with the laundry X-D
I wash my hunting clothes in a unused 5 gallon bucket. My regular washer i think would have residual fragrance from my normal detergent. Hang them outdoors to dry. I live rural and hunt my own small 40acre plot
@@Hammerback0 thx for the tip - I was thinking I might try the bathtub til I can grab a bucket. Coming back from West Texas I did a good bit of sweating in my camo :P What do you use for detergent?
Just use a detergent without whiteners or scent freshener, they are common. You don’t have to go through all the hoops people create to hide scent because most of it is superstition. If you are down wind they will pick you up no matter what you do to mask. There are different reasons a deer won’t blow if they wind you, so the anecdotal stories of shooting a Boone and Crockett down wind after spraying with Dead Down Wind are typically not reliable
One other point, stick and leaf patterns are gray blobs to deer and they lose their break up capacity very quickly making movement easier to pick up. Block patterns or irregular patterns are much better at hiding outlines.
Interesting idea. I use a heater body suit when it’s cold enough and I am certain that it helps contain my scent. Had deer walk all under my tree stand too many times.
I didn't listen to the whole thing.. ADD... But I think different fabrics have inherent differing amounts of UV brightness. So not using a cleaner with UV brighteners is important.. but what the clothing is made of can make a difference as well. What I do, and I have no proof it helps, is put my hunting clothes out against some brush at night and view them with night vision (no illuminator). Pick the darker ones that blend into the vegetation.
Great info! To tag on to this, have there been studies to show how far a deer can see in the dark vs the light? Will that deer 100-200 yards away see me accessing my stand in the dark like it would in the light?
I've been very interested in how a deer hears so it was nice to see this touched on. However, the assumption that a deer hears just like us by analyzing their response with the sound source right at the ear is highly flawed. The shape and size of the ear will significantly alter which frequencies are being being projected into the ear and which frequencies are effectively amplified. Think of it as a reverse amphitheater. In fact you can test this on yourself by simply cupping your hand behind your ear while listening to music or partially folding your ear over. This will 100% change which frequencies your ear will be most sensitive to. I would love to see more discussion sound.
So a question I had was whether or not giving your camo a good all-over “dirt rub” would help dull or hide any of potential UV in case it contained any of that spectrum?
When driving cars the more speed, like above 40mph, studies indicate that field of vision-view narrows. So, when in a 25mph zone, most likely something will come out on the road in the peripheral, off to your side view and you'll have "enough time" to react. Texting, you should be "pin eye focus" and then look up from that pin focus to the road. So, thats why its not good to text and drive, your eyes adjust. Interesting. 65mph highway and above you'll notice its just a tunnel vision straight down the highway-road and swear the dear jumped out from nowhere. Fascinating how deer view the woods, at night. Up a tree with a bow and the deer walk right under you. If you panic, the deer vision view tills its head in order to see upward into the tree stand. Thats pretty cool.
As a guy who's put a lot of venison down wearing blue jeans, I can't help but think of Fred Bear's advice: "The best camouflage pattern is called 'hold still and be quiet!'"
Tree stand or blind? Just curious if your legs may be covered or not?
@KinkyKangaro0 when I was a kid, it was mostly sitting up against trees on the ground, still hunting, or deer drives. These days it's a mix of homemade tower stands (some enclosed, some not).
I have been deer hunting for over 50 years and this was one, if not the most informative podcast I have listened
UA-cam can be such a blessing. I just learned what took people years to learn in a matter of an hour. Insane to think about ain't it
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@@timcorwin6126 good thing you can rewatch them 🤣😂
I haven't washed my jacket past 3 years and my wife complained and I told her it was for scent haha
@@DashcamAmerica scent does t matter if you play the wind. There's no product out there that can trick a deers nose. Not a single one. Gotta play the wind
THANK YOU! I’VE BEEN WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO FINALLY STAND UP AND SAY THEIR NOSE ISN’T THEIR PRIMARY SENSE!!!!!
The camo pattern discussion was really interesting. Camo marketing is much like fishing lure marketing. They make what looks good to us, not necessarily to deer or fish.
yeah I've been researching fishing recently and really if you want to use only 1 thing, give it the shape of the fish's main food and make it white, maybe with some silver glitter in it. so 2 to 3 inch paddle tail that's white with silver glitter is the universal everywhere lure.. if your in salt water that or a shrimp with the same color scheme. if your going with 2 lures a darker one with gold glitter works well at night too. the gold glitter is easier to see then the silver glitter at night. but both work at night. in salt water you might want a bigger lure like 3.5 to 6 inchs.
The UV issue is usually well handled on military camo patterns just because same what applies on deer eyes applies also night vision scopes..
Those fishing lures catch me most of the time, and not the fish 😂
Ya, deer see only blue color so bright the way we see that flashy bright orange, and other than that, they are colorblind, so it doesn't matter if you dress in camo. People should study behavior, smell, and vision during night vs. day. Camo is for us if you don't want to see each other in a forest then wear it other than that you can dress in whatever but blue. Interestingly enough like our TVs only have red, green, and blue, and we see all different colors bc our brain creates them; however, if a bird watching our tv would say how stupid humans are as those colors are shit, only three colors that tv has they must be idiots to watch that shit stupid humans, lol. So, don't get fulled that camo will do anything for ya, as deer with long noes, similarly like coyotes, have an incredible sense of smell, and you cannot hide it from them no matter if you buy so many different smelling stuff for deers at for example a bass pro shop or any other store. Even if you would bath in deer pist or cayoty to them, it smells so different that they can easily smell deference that it is not deer or other cayoty. So save some money for amo and arrows and stay against the wind and don't make noise and you will be good. Other than that, it is a waste of money.
So true, most of the time I hunt in my solid green carhartt jacket and my old military BDU pants and I haven't noticed many issues with deer spotting me. Interestingly enough though most modern military camos are made to reduce UV and IR light.
Deer can SMELL you 180, they can SEE you 310, but they can HEAR you 360. If you ignore 360, you probably won't have to worry about 180 and 310. Watched a video years ago about stalking your property before you even arrive in your automobile. Where you park, car stereo, door ding, rattling your keys, slamming your car door, metallic noise retrieving a stand or other equipment out of the back of your truck, a squeaky farm gate, talking out loud on your cell phone, etc.. are all critical non-woodsy sounds that will alert a deer to your presence. They may not run off, but they know you are there and they will adjust their behavior accordingly. Very informative video, thanks!
I hunt public and it always amazes me how loud some hunters will be!
@@drkylefreeman Mature bucks will not tolerate it. They will go nocturnal or leave that area, possibly for the rest of the season..
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Man im a smoker and most of the deer have been shot while I have a cigarette in my mouth. I also am smoking though when I'm clearing shooting lanes and stuff in late summer so they must just be used to me walking around my woods smoking. The worst thing was like 8 years ago when they brought the highway about 100yds closer to the house and made it the only 4 lane leading up to Canada in the area lol but that's mostly because the road noise increased so I can't trust my hearing as much.
the counter to this would be if you are hunting on a farm where deer are already accustomed to hearing sounds like tractors running, people working, etc
I grew up with my Father, grandfather and great grandfather. I wish they were alive to see the things we can do today. Thank you guys I’m glad I found this page. (My Dad held a state record in South Carolina for Buck for years) 🤘🏻🤠💜
It's a good thing that I didn't know "deer science" was an option in college. I would've ended up being a lifetime student. Lol great conversation.
Once again you guys went above and beyond to find the best of the best experts in the industry. Great work guys
The level of information in this video is mesmerizing. I had to go over it a second time. Thank you. This information is worth gold.
NOBODY has better guests than these guys. Best around
This was the most comprehensive info I've heard on camouflage for deer hunting. Great job guys!
This was very good. The gentlemen were very personable, knowledgeable -of course, as well as humorous.
I definitely learned a lot -thanks!
I could listen to Bronson Strickland (MSU Deer Lab) and Karl Miller talk about deer all day. Love when you have these guys on to share their wealth of knowledge. Thank you guys!
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That was awesome. Great guests and topic. Fred Bear’s 4th commandment says, “The best camouflage pattern is sit down and be quiet!”
Amen brother
He hunted with red plaid as i seen on some vids. Not 300$ sitka bs
First deer I ever killed, I was wearing jeans, a plaid flannel shirt, a camo hat and an orange vest.....AND, I was standing on the ground next to a pine tree, in a planted pine thicket.
@@archieroberson1761Same....kind of 😊
Goodness, I'm not a hunter but live in an area with a plethora of deer and I found this discussion absolutely fascinating!
Thank you!
Best podcast on deer I have ever seen. Will change the way I hunt 100%
Thanks Man!
As a Human Anatomy & Physiology teacher I ate this episode up! So much covered is what I teach my students about our vision. Great episode guys. Love it!
That's awesome to hear!
WOW!! Guys I really don't have the patience to listen to podcasts, but oh boy, I was "GLUED" to this podcast, absolutely fantastic, I learnt so much, it was just so educational. About 3/4 way through it my eyes were burning 🔥. I realised I was so focused on the TV I was staring & not blinking.😅 I live in N.Ireland so greetings.
That metal ladder stand that "pops" halfway up your ascent is definitely something that will alert a deer.
The safety on my rifle 🥲
Over 60 years of deer hunting, I enjoy learning. Wonderful podcast, thanks for the new found knowledge.
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I love this podcast most of the hunting podcasts bc yall give the info/details of what exists, which then allows us hunters to use the info to form our strategies. Not all places hunt the same and not all strategies will apply everywhere.
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First time hearing you guy’s. I think this was the best podcast on deer hunting that I’ve heard. Thank you.
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Same here! Super informative.
I am not a hunter, but I do sometimes get around horses, and I found this information very helpful with regards to horses.
I use a Blacklight to check my camo and use UV blocker spray accordingly... Works great, especially on blaze orange which usually flows brightly when new ..
What UV Blocker spray do you use. Thanks
@@DROPTINE UV killer spray (Atsko brand)
@@dominantbuck I found the Atsko brand Thanks!
Suggestion on camo brands and patterns following this video would be a great help to most of us all. Just a idea.
Sitka optifade
Carhart works for me
They answered that solid black
@@michaelmcwilliams5403not everyone can afford a $700 pair of pants
Solid tan or shade of tan….look up ASAT this was one of the original camo that was designed to breaking up you pattern. Also realtree escape is a good camo. Digital camo was found to not work so well and hence why the army stopped using it
Talking about breaking up the outline of the predator. I remember when the Marine Corps first introduced its current camo pattern. People made fun of it because it’s pixelated, but it’s way more effective than the previous pattern. I had an instructor that had someone sit on a hill in the digi cammies, and someone in the old. Just sparse grass and small shrubs no bigger than a foot or two. Everyone immediately spotted the old cammies, and we all had to search for the digi.
Absolutely 100% the best podcast I’ve ever heard ! Y’all knocked the ball out of the park with the bases loaded ! GRAND SLAM !!! Thanks a blue zillion for all this fantastic information !!! 🦌
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GREAT discussion, fellas! Always love your conversation style and the questions y'all ask. You guys are at the top of the deer hunting podcast game in my eyes.
One other thing, an old hunter long ago told me don't ever use soap or detergent when washing your hunting clothes. He said just use plain hot water, and same for showering the night before you hunt or when on hunting trip. No soap or shampoo just a good hot water shower and wash rag. Then baking soda deodorant and baking soda inside of boots.
Being downwind is the best thing. No cover scent will hide your human scent.
@@meghan7547 Your correct but taking a few simple steps can greatly reduce your scent signature for lack of a better term. Everything you can do to help minimize your scent signature helps, IMO.
Add baking soda to the clothes wash. Been doing it for years and have deer inside 20 yards routinely. Warm water and baking soda. Store clothes and boots in plastic bags and only wear them in the woods.
My boots are a problem.
@@devonseyfert6295 Keep one pair of boots just for hunting, have another pair for going to the woods for everything else. I've found it helps.
Wow! What a great topic. I wish I had seen this 3 weeks ago before elk hunting. I knew about elk seeing blue colors but I had no idea about fabric brighteners. I knew about blaze orange but I didn't think about reflectivity of fabrics. I try to be quiet while walking through the junipers but I didn't think about cadence. I hunt cow elk. They are even harder to find and shoot than bulls. I try to mask my sounds with cow or calf calls much as you use turkey calls hoping that any sounds I make are ignored as "normal". I also knew about movement detection but not to the degree that was discussed. Also, my knowledge about the blob effect was insufficient. I was unsuccessful this year but am at the 50% success rate. However, now I see that most of my success was due to luck. I was at the right place at the right time. I grew up hunting white tail in Missouri. Hunting elk is completely different. Thank you for giving me more skills that I can use for either white tail or elk. I am going to send a link to your channel for this video to my hunting buddies.
Many thanks for a tremendous discussion. While a lot of this is geared to bow hunters in trees, I appreciated the part on ground hunting. As a gun hunter here in the Northeast (Maine) for 65 years, the information you've given us here is invaluable.
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@PJRII same here. In Aroostook Co.
And sagadahoc here.
57:00 I'm so glad he actually explained this cuz I was thinking the whole time of that scenario when the deer's head is down then it changes their field of sensitivity from horizontal to vertical, but now I know it does not
Just found the site and subscribed, ( even though I've never hunted the South.
Really good stuff; clearly cutting-edge research well-presented by a couple true experts on how deer see, hear and smell their surroundings.
The hosts are great at asking appropriate questions at the right times, and then sitting back and giving the scientists a chance to answer them in depth.
Keep it up, Guys!
Thanks man! We are glad you enjoyed the episode and subscribed! We have 3-4 other episodes with biologists on here you'll probably enjoy. What state/Country are you from?
@@thesouthernoutdoorsmen Sauk County, Wisconsin.
Outstanding podcast and I’m not even done. It’s my first year deer hunting in North Carolina & recently drew a permit for a wildlife refuge that’s supposed to be packed with deer. My plan is to hunt from the ground so this information today has absolutely changed the game for me & I’m super excited to test this knowledge in the field. 54:05
Man i decided to check this out.. it all makes sense behind sitkas patterns and science.
My son and I are hunting one of the NC refuge permit hunts too. Best of luck to you.
I hunt from the ground exclusively. I just happened upon this video and half of what I'm doing now they talked about. Breaking up your outline in front and back of you. I sit at the base of a 100 year old oak. I piled up a few logs on each side of where I sit and plop down in between them. I've got my 3d cut camouflage netting and where a 3d leafy cut pattern camo outfit. Those deer Don even know I'm there. Conquest EverCalm is my masking scent and I've had deer in every direction and I don't even exist to them.
I WEAR CLASSIC ASAT CAMO AND USE A UV KILLER , WITH SHAG CARPET ON THE BOTTOM OF MY BOOTS WITH FOX OR DOE IN HEAT SCENT AND AS A COVER SCENT I USE SMOKE , THE ONE SMELL ALL DEER KNOW .
Fabulous presentation.
A great deal of our brain activity is taken up with vision, even to the extent of "tuning out" other sensory inputs to focus on what we are seeing. I'm curious if deer brains have the same issues, or even what areas of a deer's brain are taken up by its senses, such as smell, hearing, and vision.
I've heard it said that humans and dogs sense the same thing in different ways. Such as, if a human looks at a bowl of stew, he will SEE meat, gravy, potatoes, carrots, onions, and green beans. If a dog looks at a bowl of stew, he will SMELL meat, gravy, potatoes, carrots, onions, and green beans.
I didn't knowwhat to expect and i thought the length would be to long to actually pick up some info quick. But this podcast was so captivating and informative !! thanks again !
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I live in Florida and am trying to figure out hunting on public land here. It’s tough, but this podcast gave me sooooo much information and things to think about. I subscribed when you guys had the other guy talking about deer movement.
Just found your channel and I’m glad I did. Really valuable content! I’ve been hunting for forty years and and amazed at how much more there is to learn. After I watch videos like this one it’s surprising we still have success, the whitetail is a formidable creature for sure.
Well hope you got time there’s enough information if they don’t publish another one it would take you years to get through their content I’ve been following for almost 2 years and UA-cam has changed my hunting knowledge over the past 5 years and I’ve been hunting by myself for about 20 years now and if I knew a quarter of what I know now when I was younger when I could hunt deer 30 days out of the season. Got 14 days scheduled to hunt this year.
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Great video. I pack my gear in a closed bag with branches, leaves, and especially pine branches. I try to be quiet and use my ears first, unless the deer enters my vision otherwise I have to move. I sit still, and only move like a sloth. Last year I had a doe and fawn under my stand with the doe looking right in my direction. She never saw me while the fawn jumped, played with a mock scrape, and the second doe walked right past me. Then they came around and only when a doe (no fawn so probably different) was 10 yards away, staring right at me in my open shooting lane did she stop, stomp, head bob, and go back to grazing after about two minutes of me holding my breath. She came back after being zeroed and I filled my freezer.
I imagine TSA opening your bag and seeing a bunch of leaves and pinecones. Lol
Very informative! I am able to hunt a 20 acre part of area that is surrounded by a lake, hunting lease, and farm crop. It is a small area however it is a choke point for deer to move from bedding area to food area to water area. It has been a honey hole for many years. The one thing I have certainly notice...is the 48+hours of rest that I give the area after the weekend. The hunting lease guys disturb the area tremendously. I slip in w/my bow on Tues or Wed morning. I It has been a long while that i have not filled all of my tags for whitetail.
At 19:25, where he uses the phrase that the deer's vision is "designed..." Love that. It IS!
Over the course of evolution, to evade predators. The ones who didn't, didn't reproduce.
Suspect you're inferring "intelligent design."...uhh, NO.
Ahhh....yes the Designer❤
one of the best interviews I have seen. Great job guys!!
Okay hold up pausing at the 13:50 mark. As I'm listening here taking all this in, I just can't help but marvel at the beauty of creation!
I hang a lot of flagging tape maintaining property boundary lines. Used to wonder why moose would always nibble and pull down the blue flagging and never touched the yellow or orange, this explains it
Should have put in my own Grant request and published the results. Appreciate the great content, keep it coming
Thank you for this topic. I was in the old camp of sense of smell is the primary, but after watching this, I have changed my mind. I have already incorporated better housekeeping and planning regarding vision. I also think back to how many times I got busted drawing and (probably wrongly so) blamed noise of the arrow on the shelf or a wind shift. I was elk hunting in CO a few years ago and my hunting partner told me he could see my bow reflections way before he saw me. I tried to 'de-reflection' my bow with tape, but too heavy, then sprayed with flat paint, with little effect. Obviously blinds are good for this, but not practical for every treestand setup. My question is-have studies been done with reflections? If not, are any planned? Thanks for a great channel. It is actually the only podcast I listen to.
In my late 30's.. I started hunting later in my life. I feel like I have a one up on my buddys now cuz of this podcast..🤙🏼
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Just a slight critique. Most bows are rated at 330 FPS or slower, and that's the absolute upper limit. Realistically, an arrow might go 280-300 FPS. The speed of sound is 1125 FPS at 20 Celsius. The sound is getting to the deer at least 3 times faster than the arrow.
Love the video! Great tips, tricks and advice!!
As a 30 year stairbuilder....that baluster out of pattern at the top of the stair is KILLING me!😂
Talking about deer and lights, Saturday 10/5 two of my kids and I were spotlighting deer (legal in Indiana) and came upon two cows that had got out of a farmers fence. I got out of the truck with my spotlight and tried to get the cows back in the pasture. I ran back and forth a few times before giving up and getting back in truck. My kids were amazed, while I'm running cows, two doe were 30 yards from me and didn't seem to care and never ran and even grazed the grass. We were on a remote road close to State forestry.
Deer are curious creatures by nature
All one has to do is distract them from their instincts.
Now I find myself wanting to hear this same information relating to turkey vision…. Awesome episode 👊🏻
If you are hunting in brush or a tree your background has patches of light. To match the background you need patches of white in your pattern.
I've bow hunted deer with a cigarette hanging out of my mouth several times and fully believe it's all about not being seen moving. As long as the deer isn't looking at you, it's possible to still hunt/stalk a deer and walk right up to him.... I'm not expert, this is just my two cents on my own 40 years of being in the woods ..
From what I gathered, mossy oak bottom land is a good MUCH cheaper choice than Sitka optifade? 😂 Seriously, good job guys. I learned quite a bit!
Great information and makes sense from what I have seen in the woods. The bit about the blue spectrum and the hearing were fascinating
Nate
So much awesome information! Great video! :)
Great ‘cast boys! I gotta say that an arrow is usually only traveling at a quarter of the speed sound. While that’s still pretty quick, it NOT “just a little slower”
Also, almost all of that Sitka stuff is made of plastic. $180 for a nylon shirt.
After deer hunting for about 60 years or so, and spending countless hours actually reading, studying, discussing, and listening to literally many dozens of top quality experts, I am going to offer a couple more point that need to be said. Nothing said in this video mentioned these but truthfully, they are critical to recognize.
Point 1: Every deer is different, just as all people are unique in their own way. Some deer are easy going, relaxed by nature, and not necessarily always on high alert. I've had deer walk right by me sitting or standing on the ground where I was fully visible to the deer without necessarily even being aware I was there unless and until I moved. Even then, some of them didn't panic but just continued on their way. I have concluded that a deer trusts their senses to alert them to danger. So if a human has been sitting or standing still for a while, the scent is dispersed or minimalized, and the human isn't moving or making noise, if a deer walking through the woods taking a leisurely stroll walks close to that human it truly may not detect that a human is there until it is within mere feet of the human. Essentially, none of its natural alarms triggered any panic response. I've had deer walk by me within 10 feet or less. But because a deer's systems didn't trigger any alarm, even if I moved a little to see the deer better, the deer will not always flee because nothing has yet told the deer that I am any sort of threat. My point here is movement alone, until a deer sees a human as a threat, may not spook the deer into flight.
Point 2: Deer are more intelligent than we may think. One summer I had to manually haul tools and materials to repair a deer stand by walking them in down a trail. On my very first trip in, a doe bedded down in cover at the edge of the edge of the food plot area where I was going stood up as I came down the trail. She was no more than 20 yards off the trail. But she didn't panic or leave. She just stood there watching me walk on by. Many deer have seen humans and are not necessarily always spooked by them. As I walked past her, she bedded back down and watched me drop off my materials at the deer stand on the other side of the food plot. She watched as I walked back by and never even stood back up. I made 4 trips back and forth down that trail and she just stayed there patiently watching my every move each time I went by. The point here is that if a deer sees you and doesn't consider you to be a threat, they may just stay where they are and watch you. As with Point 1, every deer is different. On my final fourth trip back to the stand, I decided to test the doe. When I got even with her, I turned off the trail and took two steps toward her. She instantly bolted and left the area, not to return. As long as a stayed on the trail and passed peacefully, she was content to stay bedded and just watch me work. I'm convinced had I not tested her, she probably would have laid there and watched me repair the deer stand! Obviously, she didn't have anything better for entertainment that day.
Point 3: During my teen years, and while hunting with my recurve bow where I needed a close, clear shot, I had a doe come over a ridge top where I was set up just below the opposite ridge line. She was originally about 15 yards away. As I tried to draw for a shot, she spotted my movement but did not panic nor flee. I'm convinced she saw me as a human and maybe even as a hunter. All she did was trot back over the ridge top and move about 5 yards further away. I was only a few feet from the ridge top and so I eased back over the ridge. She was just staring at me from a slightly safer position. Again I tried to get off a shot but she once more played a cat and mouse game of trotting back over the ridge top. Again, she moved further away. We did this back and forth chase game several times until she had moved too far into the cover for me to get a shot at all. As with many other deer, being spotted and even probably being identified as a human hunter does not necessarily cause EVERY deer to flee. Many are just not all that concerned even when in close contact with a human. In this third case, I was standing up and even continually moving toward the doe trying to close the shooting range. Yet that never bothered this particular doe.
Each of these deer all appeared to feel strongly in control of the situation because they were in their home territory and there was no immediate violent action on my part when we had these close encounters. I believe animals can sense panic and high emotions in humans so they will react quickly to any human who moves fast or displays aggressive motion that triggers a deer's natural alarm systems. But if a human remains mostly still and calm, moving slowly and without panic or excitement, often a deer will not alarm on the mere presence of a human and may not even flee. As I say, every deer is different so other deer may run for their lives not stopping until they clear the next county line!
Fascinating, informative and all about the king and queens of the woods! Keep up the good work gentlemen!! Thank you for your time docs and your lifelong passion to these amazing creature God made for us to enjoy.
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Great video! Always learning something new! Thats why its important to listen to people who are the best in their field!
Fantastic information. I have been telling my wife that new pattern looked awesome. Time to switch to that for next season.
Thank you!! This is the best explanation I've seen. Most scientifically based.
This is why I feel camo patterns with whites and lights to mimic sky tones are critical when in treestands. My next question would be if beards help mask the circular human white face, meaning bearded men can get away more from having to wear masks or face paint
What if your skin is natural camo? 😅
Really good info! I make my own wood arrows and I put a lot of thought into feather colors but I'm still torn on my opinion. I love the look of blue feathers but I avoid them for hunting. Yellow, orange and red is far better. I often use two white feathers for blood color tracking purposes. I know white is highly visible so I have mixed feelings about them. Others have claimed white feathers on their arrows are not a detriment unless you are waving them around. Birch trees have white bark and deer are not running away from everything white they see. Having bright arrows will improve your shooting because you can see the arrow in flight as well as where it impacts. I think the advantages of bright colored arrow feathers and especially nocks outweigh any disadvantages. Wood arrows are quieter and more natural sounding if you accidentally clang them. As for camouflage well it certainly works for humans, not sure about deer. I glassed my two hunting buddies 500 yds away. I could easily see one wearing solid colors but the one in camo I didn't even realize he was standing next to him until he moved. Camo does nothing for motion however. We have all been busted by deer walking in camo.
I talked to a guy who did hurricane relief from a helicopter. He said anyone in a uniform was easy to spot but rescuers in different coloured vest/jacket/pants were hard to pick out. Bright debris was everywhere so the safety colours didn't stand out but the complete human shape just jumps out to the eye.
This was excellent what an eye opener. No more wearing jeans on the hunt.
Its a product called no glow, made by atskens, or something like that, i use it and its a big differenc, first time i used it on my Cabela's burber, had a doe walk 3 ft from me while I was leaning on a cedar tree, game changer after that as long as your clothes treated good, and super scent tight, and little luck. It was drizzling rain, and i was slow walking the woods
Its atsko sport wash and uv killer spray, only stuff i use, no artificial scent cover, i leave hunting clothes outside at least a month before season, plus some other stuff, but its a ritual, and works great if wind changes, only took 20 years to figure out my combo.
This is also why elmer fud "checkered" wool jackets work wonders for deer hunting.
I added a horn and headlights to my deer blind. We had to buy 7 more freezers!
Bookmarked to review before next season!
27:38 Do I have to say it? Fred Bear advised that the best camouflage is standing still. I've been using dark gray bib overalls and shirt or jacket for deer hunting. It matches tree bark or looks like a rock or stump out in an open field. BTW, we use detergent with no enhancement s. As regards to sound, deer will get used to loud noises and machinery like tractors. Great vid.
Karl's key word was designed! I like it when science acknowledges intelligent design.
Dude come on...
Great video!!! such great knowledge for hunters who are constantly seeking to increase their skill level. 😎
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I wash my camo in water only and hang dry for this reason. I read an article in whitetail magazine when I was about 13 back in the early 90's that said the same thing.
A lot of good advice here, some of which I had already learned from my own experience.
The information about the deer's visual acuity was particularly interesting. Thanks for a very instructive video
Outstanding info! BUT, please call them and ask: does a UV flashlight/blacklight help see what clothes might pop out more? I have blaze orange hats never washed in UV brighteners, and while some don't glow, others do. Can't tell by eye in sunlight (at all) which will. I check all my camo/outter wool with UV light now. Valid?
Yeah i believe all blaze orange lights up to black light just turn off your lights and run the uv light and it will glow. I want to know this too. I was actually talking to someone else on youtube about this. He said he avoids blaze orange because of the uv
uv lights can be bought cheap. Think of a blacklight shining on the vest. Esp. now wity Haloween coming, blacklights are everyehere
This is exactly what I'm trying to figure out. My Gamehide Sneaker vest has camo patterning that shows up as purple under UV light. The orange material is muted/dull under UV, but is pretty shiny when hit by LED from a flashlight. My Realtree Edge pants, jacket, etc. do not glow at all under UV.
@ i think a pair of sneakers wont be enough to alert the deer. I went into the sitka store and asked “what about blaze orange” because of this conversation and they answered “interesting you know about this topic, we minimize by using certain materials that glow under uv but it still glows then he said even in the woods there are certain things that do glow under uv light.” After a bunch of research im more tuned in to their sense of smell than their sight. Hunt with the wind in your face and dont move.
I trust cheap fluorescent not LED
Im interested in how the reflection of snow camo compares to the reflection of snow in a deers eye. If the fabric material matches the reflection of the snow can you still be spotted easily; since you are wearing a more solid color with nothing to break up the shape of your body
That's a great questions and unfortunately we don't have an answer
I love how all the examples they give are bow hunting
Such fantastic information!! Thank you guys!!
I found the deer whistle conversation interesting. A few years back I had a 6.0 powerstroke and had found deer to not come out in the road as often as vehicles that did not have a turbo. It’s not even scientific but I had just assumed the frequency of the turbo noise was deterring them from crossing the road
I've done the stick trick while walking through dry leaves on a calm day to mimic a deers cadence and it does seem to work.
Thank you for sharing,I've told Hunter about blue for yrs.
A good cheap ghillie suit works amazingly.
Can we test our camo with a blacklight and see if us brightners were used?
Yes sir
That and they are not "ducking" your arrow. Their legs are recoilling to bound out of the situation. The loud sudden noise makes them instinctively react to the noise. Super high twitch muscle fibers abound. Its just a natural reaction to the sudden noise. Most times they never know where the sound actually came from so they will react and bound off and if not struck actually stop and then try to find out where the sound actually came from.
What do you think about aiming low and forward to accommodate for the deer
recoiling? Heard it helps to get heart instead of high lung shots, reducing run distance
Thank you for The WEALTH of information. As i listened along, i was hoping that you guys would cover a view / opinion on home-made spray paint camo . This is the first time I've listened to your channel, and i subscribed straight away. So Cheers, from Australia, I'm looking forward to following your channel and learning so much more from you.
Fascinating episode. I wish there was a nice guide or spreadsheet of brands, camo patterns, detergent brands/types, etc... I literally ran to my washer and pulled my KUIU stuff out to just soak in baking soda instead of run with the laundry X-D
I wash my hunting clothes in a unused 5 gallon bucket. My regular washer i think would have residual fragrance from my normal detergent. Hang them outdoors to dry. I live rural and hunt my own small 40acre plot
@@Hammerback0 thx for the tip - I was thinking I might try the bathtub til I can grab a bucket. Coming back from West Texas I did a good bit of sweating in my camo :P
What do you use for detergent?
Just use a detergent without whiteners or scent freshener, they are common.
You don’t have to go through all the hoops people create to hide scent because most of it is superstition. If you are down wind they will pick you up no matter what you do to mask.
There are different reasons a deer won’t blow if they wind you, so the anecdotal stories of shooting a Boone and Crockett down wind after spraying with Dead Down Wind are typically not reliable
One other point, stick and leaf patterns are gray blobs to deer and they lose their break up capacity very quickly making movement easier to pick up.
Block patterns or irregular patterns are much better at hiding outlines.
What y'all think about leaf suits?
Best podcast there is! Let’s go!! You guys are awesome!
Seriously, thank you for this information.
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I made a red plaid wool cloak. I feel silly wearing it, but i have been nearly run over by many different animals including coyotes while wearing it.
Interesting idea. I use a heater body suit when it’s cold enough and I am certain that it helps contain my scent. Had deer walk all under my tree stand too many times.
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I didn't listen to the whole thing.. ADD... But I think different fabrics have inherent differing amounts of UV brightness. So not using a cleaner with UV brighteners is important.. but what the clothing is made of can make a difference as well. What I do, and I have no proof it helps, is put my hunting clothes out against some brush at night and view them with night vision (no illuminator). Pick the darker ones that blend into the vegetation.
Great info! To tag on to this, have there been studies to show how far a deer can see in the dark vs the light? Will that deer 100-200 yards away see me accessing my stand in the dark like it would in the light?
I've been very interested in how a deer hears so it was nice to see this touched on. However, the assumption that a deer hears just like us by analyzing their response with the sound source right at the ear is highly flawed. The shape and size of the ear will significantly alter which frequencies are being being projected into the ear and which frequencies are effectively amplified. Think of it as a reverse amphitheater. In fact you can test this on yourself by simply cupping your hand behind your ear while listening to music or partially folding your ear over. This will 100% change which frequencies your ear will be most sensitive to. I would love to see more discussion sound.
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So a question I had was whether or not giving your camo a good all-over “dirt rub” would help dull or hide any of potential UV in case it contained any of that spectrum?
That's a great question but unfortunately we don't know the answer
When driving cars the more speed, like above 40mph, studies indicate that field of vision-view narrows. So, when in a 25mph zone, most likely something will come out on the road in the peripheral, off to your side view and you'll have "enough time" to react. Texting, you should be "pin eye focus" and then look up from that pin focus to the road. So, thats why its not good to text and drive, your eyes adjust. Interesting. 65mph highway and above you'll notice its just a tunnel vision straight down the highway-road and swear the dear jumped out from nowhere.
Fascinating how deer view the woods, at night. Up a tree with a bow and the deer walk right under you. If you panic, the deer vision view tills its head in order to see upward into the tree stand. Thats pretty cool.
Id love to hear more on the materials that are best for camo.
The patterns make sense. Whats the goal? Disrupt your figure