16-Year-Old Cancer Patient Refuses Treatment | Chicago Med
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- Опубліковано 16 кві 2023
- Will and Charles work with a teenage brain cancer patient who’s refusing treatment.
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Halstead has never learned to stop projecting what happened to his mother on to other patients.
ah he has the best interest at heart.and sometimes its best not to go against dr halstead cuz 9 times out of 10 he's always right
@@AlexisStreams
9 out of 10? Not even close. The man acts so emotional and unprofessional, blaming other doctors for his own mistakes, performing medical interventions against a standing DNR order... I agree, he often has his patients best outcome in mind but acts equally reckless and dangerous. Often disregards his peers and feels waaay to entitled to his opinion.
@@gore0802 again....if you refuse treatment and you know you're going to die why bother going to the doctor? why bother wasting your time and the doctors time? Help me understand that part. i can only buy the oh its the persons body that's failing them excuse for so long
again answer this if you refuse treatment then why go to the hospital?
better question why start a school that teaches you to SAVE LIVES, if you're forced to watch people die,
i can understand the feeling of, If only i could have saved that persons life, if only they accepted treatment
Is Will Reckless? yes but he's a good human being,
@@AlexisStreams I agree with you on this topic. Why show up to any form of medical area if you are going to refuse treatment of any kind in order to get better. They are the professionals, we are not. They went to school and studied, we have not.
Also, anyone can be unprofessional at any point in time. We are human beings. We are not perfect.
Even tho this is just a show, people we still have to take into account that this kind of stuff still happens all over the world.
Plus to add, if doctors do their very best to help their patients at the best of their abilities. You still cant ridicule them if they lose their patients due to a cause they dont know. They too can go through a lot of stress and depression if they lose people.
I may be overstepping in my words but evem still
@@ryancamacho3129 exactly saving people makes the doctors feel good, losing patients will take a toll on them, some times through out the seasons you can see the desperation to save their lives sink in
Sometimes if the cancer is terminal and cannot be cured, if the patient wants a DNR and is refusing treatment, we need to respect their decision. Whether she's a teenager or my age (46), end of life directive means that.
Halstead and Choi only respect patients requests if it aligns with their opinion. The way they can't take no for an answer and the fact they don't seem to understand that quality of life can be more important than just being alive.
Oh they'd last a couple of months as real doctors lol
man, this show gets a lot of things right, but palliative care and the right for patient choice has consistently not been one of them. dr halstead is still no better than he was in season 1 resuscitating a DNR cancer patient against her wishes and forcing her into a clinical trial. palliative care (i.e. comfort treatment) is a valid therapeutic option that more people, especially healthcare professionals, need to be educated about. patients with incurable conditions 100% should and do have the right to refuse treatment ESPECIALLY in cancer, where so many treatments cause horrific side effects for only a small increase in life expectancy. a longer life means nothing if you have no quality of life or dignity left when you die. i’m glad the parents stuck to their original choice and respected their daughter’s wishes despite their own wishes and everything halstead tried to do.
one thing i've learned from watching this show is Dr Halstead has the right intentions, even if he can be a bit pushy at time,a lot pushy, but he wants the best for his patients, he took an oath to save lives not let them die. unless they have a DNR, anything that breaks his oath as a doctor or a nurse then it will set them off. its called the Hippocratic Oath
I'm not in the health field but I wonder if it has to do with the fact that they're ER docs, they're used to fixing the problem in front of them. I feel like it'd be great if they did an episode involving hospice/palliative doctors/nurses to see the other side of the coin.
@@y0utuberculosis exactly "hippocratic oath" states all doctors must treat all patients to the best of their abilities, DNRs or patients refusing treatment will make the doctors feel like they are not doing their jobs
@Herrscher Of The Bear - Alexi-Bearat's the problem, his patient DID have a DNR that he ignored!! It's irrelevant that he thinks something else is best, by becoming a doctor he agreed to listen to his patients wishes when they specify, which
@@AlexisStreams the problem. His patient DID have a DNR that he ignored!! It's irrelevant that he thinks something else is best. By becoming a doctor, he agreed to listen to his patients' wishes when they specify
I‘m so glad the family stood their ground. It’s so ridiculous manipulative how Dr Halstead is trying to convince the parents to force their 16 (!!) year old daughter to undergo a treatment that she doesn’t want because it’s gonna prolong her suffering. Palliative care is a great option for some, and she chose it. Also if I were her I‘d not wanna see that „boyfriend“ again. I get that it’s extremely hard for him, but that is such a violation of her choices and her trust that potentially could have killed her.
But it's working, it's shrinking. The oil was an illusion it was the chemo that her bro been feeding her that's causing the shrink
It would've been likely to work though, logically speaking, if the oral-based medicine has caused it to shrink, it's a sign its proving effective.
Cancer is a very difficult disease for us to manage and deal with since your body always technically has it, just your immune system handles it before it gets out of hand (usually.)
Chemotherapy is the logical choice and would've been the right decision here imo, yes it's good the family made their decision and were not pressured into it, but as a doctor he's explaining to them that there's still a chance it can work out, that continuing the treatment can be beneficial.
I saw my dad dying of cancer. All the time that treatment bought him was the time he spent in the hospital hooked up to IVs and in misery. I’d promised myself I’d never do treatment for a cancer (if I got it ) that would kill me anyway. It’s not worth it in my eyes.
My Dad's cancer was uncurable but chemo, radiation etc gave him 17 years. He saw my sister get married and have 4 kids, he saw me graduate and making my own life. He got to see the pyramids and lourve. Yes the last 5 years were the worst as his highs weren't gaining back the lows.
Just to balance out your experience with my own. Yes we will all die, it will be painful for some of us. But that doesn't mean we stop living the moment we get the diagnosis.
@@spaghetti1641I agree. My dad was stage 3 when he was first diagnosed and if he’d left things to their own devices, he would have died a month later.
He went through chemo, radiotherapy, experimental laser surgery, the whole lot. Many times he wanted to give up his treatment but his love for life and his family encouraged him to keep going. He saw me and my sister graduate from uni, get jobs and live our lives. If it weren’t for Covid and lockdowns, he would have travelled the world during his last months. His treatment helped him survive longer than anyone could have predicted.
These are the reasons why this needs to be an individual's choice. Both decisions have serious consequences and are very hard.
Hi I am so sorry, it's the worst thing seen a loved one. I agree with you on treatment.. chemo & radiation for many young or old side effects are so bad. Sometimes we want our loved ones, but it's hard, u feel guilty but is a quality life not better than quantity...at the same time young people early detection they want to live for their kids..& try, I respect and support them, most of app I wish God's love will heal them..I also find in certain countries it's a money making thing u sent from Dr to Dr, they work.together, before u go to an appointment they get approval from medical aid for chemo
They don't care & have empathy when telling patients, just break the news when someone is it hosiptal alone, not even call a loved one. Why is there no cure...so fast we had vaccines for covis., maybe there is no cure so they can make money
Did I miss something. The girl has said she doesn't want treatment and the parents decide to respect that. Where is the medical neglect?
Not an expert. But I think that since the girl is a minor the actual legal decision rests with the parents.
Most people would say that a teenager does not have the mental maturity to make a decision like this and that respecting their wishes is legally irresponsible. It is similar to a small child wanting to drink acid and the parents saying 'go ahead'.
I'm not a professional but speaking as a person who learned they had a serious medical condition during childhood and had to have a ton of treatments for it; teens don't have the best long-term decision making. Their wants should have a say in the decisions, but not be an ultimate veto to all things.
Parents have to make hard choices and force their kids through difficult treatments because as a teen, this may be the WORST thing that's ever happened to you and it doesn't seem manageable IN THE MOMENT. You don't yet have the skills, mental fortitude and experience to really understand that suffering now means benefits later without it being a tangible reward. I often just didn't stick to my treatment as strictly as needed because it made life much harder and it was painful. I couldn't wrap my head around the fact that this would only be for a few years and the alternative was much worse because in that moment, it didn't seem like it would be.
Which is the problem with giving your teen the right to deny lifesaving treatment- death might genuinely seem like a better option than something as silly as a urinary catheter being placed (yes it's embarrassing, but it's their job, they've seen it all, they genuinely don't care.). They usually lack the life experience and maturity to assess the value of their own lives and how they should feel about serious situations. Which isn't a diss on them; it's a product of their youth, and of the stage of learning they're at; teens who have that experience typically have a collection of other issues, so it's not exactly a good thing to be ahead of the pack, so to speak.
The part where medical neglect comes into play is that just accepting that your kid doesn't want any further treatment is easy. It's the same as bringing home some groceries and just leaving them for your kids but not ACTUALLY making them food. You're around. But you're not DOING anything. Which makes it neglect. (before anybody comes at me with their parents doing this stuff but still being good parents; neglect usually isn't intentional, and is often only in a couple aspects of a child's life- if your parents didn't always make you food when you were a kid, they were probably present in other areas of your life that made up for it- that's why your memories of them are good. the food part was one sugar cookie in a dozen cupcakes. It's only an issue when the person doesn't have cupcakes to balance cookies)
(tl;dr- it's medical neglect because most teens lack the life experience to actually make the decision to refuse life-saving treatment, and being unwilling to make that decision for them 'because you're respecting their wishes' sounds a lot like 'I don't want to deal with my teenager being angry at me' or 'I don't care enough to deal with this' and that's translates into neglect really rapidly)
@@dexterking2631In this specific situation, the patient has a prognosis of 12 months without treatment and maybe 24 months with treatment. She would be experiencing these same side effects for the rest of her life and there is no possibility of any cure. I think it is perfectly reasonable to take her wishes into account under these circumstances.
She is not giving up on herself in any way, she just happens to be dying and is well informed about what she wants that death to look like.
@@newyoutubeaccount2023Even if is a boy 10-11y refusing being operated for apendicetomy?
The mother had to trick him, she told him that only was in the hospital for blood work, and then, he was sedated and prepare him for surgery
@@dexterking2631 How about the fact she only has a year left? Why go through chemo and be sick the entire left of a year. Constantly feeling terrible. Sick. No hair.
Family friend decided the same thing and she was at least feeling like herself at the end and went out on her own decision.
I just lost my best friend of 25 years to cancer and I find myself watching these videos to try and cry myself out. It's not working, I miss you so much David ❤
I'm so sorry for your loss
I'm so sorry, I lost my beautiful teenage daughter to cancer, it'll be 2 years next month. My heart still aches so much. I'm very sorry about your best friend. My best friend since childhood has carried me through my daughters loss so much ❤️
@@sallyconnolly7874I'm so incredibly sorry 💜
awe I'm so sorry for your loss ❤
Lost my dad to cancer 2 weeks ago
One thing I've always hated about Halsted, is his refusal to consider the wishes of others.
When a patient is terminal, he would rather push them to suffer just so they can live just that little bit longer; rather than give them palliative care so they can at least be comfortable.
It just makes him a very hateable character.
this is such a good show
I am obsessed with this show
Same bro!!!
This patient despite her age if she didn’t want treatment she has every right to say so
What I’m really pleased is that the parents stood by her
If only these doctors knew the horrific side effects of the chemo and radiation then they would think twice about accusing them of neglect
Okay, stage 2 gliomas come with a relatively strong chance of long survival (like 10-20+ years). I have too many family members with this condition, so I know the odds of survival, the treatment guidelines and the adverse events. It's a chronic condition, and it does reoccur, but most people live good long lives.
the issue wasn’t the recovery rate, it was that the daughter was refusing any treatment because the effects of the drugs were so bad on her body, that it was making life unbearable
she was willing to allow the tumour to grow or remain untreated which would have reduced her life expectancy
@@mckenzie.latham91 I’ve done brain surgery and chemotherapy for a stage 2-3 glioma, in addition to anti seizure medication. I’m sorry, based on the placement of the tumour on the MRI and the young age of the patient, I don’t understand.
Halstead pisses me off man, like he's so self rightious and thinks he's right regardless of the patients wishes. Honestly if he was my doctor i'd want him off my case
I'd be so mad if a doctor insisted on a treatment that I didn't want. I always said that if I ever get cancer I wouldn't get treatment, side effects aren't worth it to me when I already have 2 autoimmune conditions and chronic pain, plus my grandma had to undergo cancer treatment and she said how soul crushing was to have a part of you removed and see everyone around you in the ward dying. So yeah, that doctor would be out of my service in a heartbeat
I get where Dr. Halstead is coming from in terms of wanting to make sure she gets help, but sometimes you just got stand back and let them do what they want, especially if they understand the risks of not doing anything. And sometimes doing nothing is the best option and sadly Will still doesn't see or get that
Amazing how a simple tissue can clean a large amount of blood from clothing in 5 seconds.
((7:23) his sleeve)
lol
It reminded me of that scene from The Adam's Family. Definitely a realistic amount of blood.
I know. It hurts like hell.
Jesus Christ will someone respect patient autonomy
See this all the time. Not sure what is the law in the USA. In Canada she would not be consider a minor in this case. Dr. Halstead would have lost his license a long time ago. Hate those doctors who does not respect the patient’s wishes.
I hate that MAID got delayed because people were whining about people her age being allowed the choice. It also delayed psychological reasons
@@downhomesunset welcome to medical world 😩
It might sound bad, but I'm actually really happy that the parents kept supporting the wish of their daughter 👍🏻
I know it's not quite the same (even though it's both an illness), but I've got a lot of friends that were/are suicidal and even though I dont necessarily agree with all of their arguments, I would accept it if they would stop fighting, because it's their decision about their body 🤔
Of course I would talk with them about it and hope that I could change their mind, but I wouldn't try to force them to do something they don't want. Sure, I would be happier if they would be alive/with me, but I respect their decision too much, and if that's what makes them "happy", I have to accept it 🤷🏼♂️
A lot of people don't understand my perspective on this topic, but that's ok, and I'm would never expect that. Maybe I'm just like that because I know what they're going thru 🤔
6:41 wow! 🤢🤮🤮🤮
That's gotta be the most blood barfed up on a medical show!
Brain cancer is in grades, not stages.
Chemo caused my dad osteoporosis of the spine, he literally shrunk and required daily morphine injections. He lost quality of life and died after a 3 year battle.
People usually can’t accept death. I vote with care that helps with pain but then I want to go when I’m supposed to.
When it comes to medical decisions there is no greater importance then consent and choice
and having either of those ripped from you, is a traumatic experience that images trust, self respect and agency
Being able to feel we are in control of our lives, of the decisions that affect us, is tantamount to our mental health, and the trust and power we place in hands of doctors, guardians, pubic servants and etc,
and just as importantly, quality of life matters
living for the sake of living is not life.
Maybe if these doctors had the side effects they'd understand
6:43 Ben's sleeve is covered in blood
7:14 The blood has mysteriously disappeared. There's no way a little blue cloth could've got rid of all that 😂😂
Pushing quality life is always going to be more important than quality.
6:41 Oh my god! 😨😰
doctor haulstin how are u today i think my temperature is verry high and my pulse and my oxegan leavers and my blood preser is verry low last night
anyone notice his shirt covered in blood then 2 seconds later it was clean XD
I know that the 16 year old girl had a focal seizure that's what I had I am on medication to stop the seizures
halstead sinead duffy here i think i have a fever
Chemo is not nearly as bad as it used to be. My mother has it for breast cancer and said it really wasn't as bad as she thought it would be.
It depends on the type of cancer, its stage, and the exact nature of the treatment given to the patient. My grandmother is being treated with chemo and it is absolutely horrifying. Experiences can differ greatly, although I'm glad your mother's experience was manageable.
BUT HER TUMOUR IS SHRINKING!!!!
Shrinking doesn't mean she'll be cured. Treatments like that can't cure the cancer, only slow it. Eventually the cancer would adapt and grow back and kill her, after she's had months of horrific chemo side effects when she can't enjoy any of the time she had left
@@unknownentity7964 Exactly, gliomas are especially aggressive - even if they're surgically removed they can and do still grow back
Alcohol applied to the tumor will shrink it temporarily. Means nothing. (And I mean first-aid-type alcohol, not whisky.)
she is sick
It would be more proffessional of Dr Halstead to mind his own business. However, it would be most ethical to intervene in child abuse and domestic violence scenarios. l loved the way those parents respected their daughters decision, what if they had not?
IS THAT MARY FROM SHILOH AND BROS
Nah, she should have done the chemo. If this was her second or third course then yeh respect her decision not to but giving up on the first try is just stupid
How come you don't respect her decision either way? Who are you to decide whether her decision or her choices or her personal values are stupid?
@@tractorfeed7602 okay. So by that logic, if someone wants to commit suicide, then you think they should be allowed to?
@@AmelityshTV well of course, you do what you can to talk them out of committing suicide but why do you presume to use the word "stupid" without knowing their history and their mindset and their circumstances that led them to that decision?
@@AmelityshTV Also, who are you to say that "giving up on the first try is just stupid"? What do you say to someone who says that "giving up on the second or third or fourth try is stupid"? What about "giving up is stupid"?
@@tractorfeed7602 If you're giving up without trying, then in this situation, you are stupid. Or at least your actions are stupid. If it's your second or third time then knowing the first times didn't work means you have tried, and have an idea that this just isn't going to help. Giving up without trying is a stupid thing to do. ESPECIALLY when a life hangs in the balance
(6:41) that makes want to throw up.
Doctors need to learn to put their egos aside and respect that quality of life is a key decisional factor for those who are ill! Forcing someone who is ill to endure the torture of serious illness against their will is a violation of human rights. Doctors ARE NOT GOD!
Halstead should mind his own damned business. Sometimes, it is best NOT to "care"!!!
If patients get worse but refuse thats not forcing doctors nurses surgeons do reallie help
Far out. I've always hated Halstead. The girl is dying anyway. If she wants to have the bogus tea then let her have the bogus tea!
Literally had a pt once say that she gave herself ringworm as a treatment. All we could do is "don't do it again" and she went "yea. No....that's the first thing I'm gonna do when I get out" she had her wits about her, we gave her the risks to what she was doing and we sent her on her way. No psych hold.b
Far out...Halstead needs a freaking psych hold and a loss of medical licence +_+
He is awful. He should not be practicing medicine.
6:41
This series started out great, but then it became all about the doctors and nurses personal life drama and all about pushing their own agenda onto patients. I grew to hate it and stopped watching.
I think I could never understand not wanting to be treated for cancer. Do all you can doctors
I've done chemo. I completely understand not being treated for cancer. That stuff is vile, and certainly not for everyone.
Do you realise how emotionally and physically draining it is. If you haven’t seen someone go through it or gone through it yourself, keep your opinion to yourself
It's painful and exhausting for them and their families to go through.
There's a difference between treatment and prolonging life. For example, do you take several weeks of terrible side effects for another two weeks, another month, another six months, another year? It depends on the life expectancy extension and the quality of life you'll have.
@@Matthew-eg9zs i have my grandmother died of a brain tumor on my 10th birthday
He's a hot ginger, that Dr. Halstead. Rawr.❤😊
i have a fever is she all right doctor haulstin is so hot and spicy
K
Typical leftist sadly
WHEN WILL PEOPLE LEARN. DRUGS MAKE YOU DIEEE😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I hate this stupid show and its stupid false drama so much. But somehow, you put Oliver Platt in a thumbnail, and I will watch it immediately, hahahaha
This not a stupid show ,and also this girl will a somewhat healthy life if she lets people help
@@andrewsmith1471 it is an incredibly stupid show, as part of a profoundly stupid series of shows, and this girl had incurable cancer. In case you don't understand the word "incurable," it means "not able to be healed with any medicine or surgery, no mater what."
You are silly if you believe that people get better if they let doctors who are currently projecting the trauma of losing their own mothers unto their patients, help them.
Oliver Platt is one of my favourite actors too. I loved him in The West Wing!
@@andrewsmith1471or she could die anyway
The hypocrisy of these parents. When they thought it was the tea helping shrink the tumour they were happy snd would have carried on giving it her.
When they realised it was chemo they halted it. Even though it was killing the tumour.
I personally tho never want chemo. I’ll take oxygen immersion and fasting.