That first tip is exactly what I needed to hear. I kept wondering why it wouldn't stay flush, and here you are telling me I've been doing it right the whole time.
Thanks for saying the truth, if you want a dive bombin shred machine, get one. But this one stays in tune very well if you have the guitar set up right. And Ed, imo the American Professional Strat trem is the best functioning of the ones that come stock I have used in 20 years (omg I am getting old). It was smart to say this one works fine for most things, as many people hate on it and think it’s the first thing to change when you buy a new strat. It worked fine for Gilmour and Hendrix, so shake the thing!
Very Good. Im using the Nut Sauce and it does help. A Professional Set-Up and proper Intonation helps tremendously. I do all my own maintenance after watching the Frudua Videos. He is a Master.
You are amazing! and this video is the explanation of why even using locking tuners your guitar can go out of tune if there is no lubrication in every nut slot.
My strat came with the trem decked and I didn’t even know you could set it to float. After I figured that out, I realized I liked the increased sustain and tuning stability of having it decked. I’ve actually considered putting in a block because I never use the tremolo.
Interestingly enough contrary to common experience with floating tremolos, when I unlocked the trem and set it to float it gave the guitar considerably better sustain.
Interestingly enough contrary to common experience with floating tremolos, when I unlocked the trem and set it to float it gave the guitar considerably better sustain.
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Another tip is to pull up on the tremolo bar before tuning each string. Then, if you DO happen to fall out of tune, you can pull up on the bar to go back into tune.
@@quentin536 yes, after a dive, a quick yank all the way up, strings muted if necessary. Back in perfect tune in a split second. And mine is a cheap squire with a 6 screw type trem.
Yeah same ! That quick gentle pull on the bar has become second nature . It's funny , when I was young , I couldn't stand Strats , they never seemed to stay in tune compared to the Epiphone EA250's vibrato that I owned then and I thought they sounded thin . I used to love records with Hendrix, Clapton, Hank Marvin , Buddy Holly , Richie Blackmore, and many other Strat players but when I picked one up ,I sounded shit lol. Although I bought a used '96 Squier from a friend about 19 years ago (I still have it) , I really got into Strats & the bar about 5 years ago. My go to guitars right now 😉👌
You can also buy finely powdered teflon. Process: 1. Restring 2. Use a 'Strecha' to stretch the strings. 3. With the strings detuned low, smooth a tiny bit teflon powder over the top of the strings (in their slots) then pull up each string (allowing the powder to drop in and around the slot) and finally snap the string back into the slot. This coats both the string and slot with teflon. 4. Retune the strings. Viola! Perfectly smooth string slots;)
Steve, I liked your work in AirHeads, Reservoir Dogs and Fargo. And I agree with your views on tipping. You look like you haven't aged a day! Thanks for the tips! (Hey, you tipped?)
This works great if all you do is vibrato chords, but if you stretch a string during a solo, then go back to chords, your axe will likely be out of tune. The secret here is to simply push your trem arm down just once, not too hard, not too soft and DO NOT pull back on it (up-pitch). Doing this is an art (like playing) and should bring the strings all back to equilibrium (if they were properly equalized and tuned prior to the stretch). Practice it.
Yeah, but then you have to dive the bar after every bend. Especially g string bends, so yes that method works great, but it is not practical. Pulling up on the bar to reset works way better, of course then you got to do it after every downward movement of the bar. Strat trem sucks, it just does. Watch steve lukather play his musicman, and he can bend, go up, go down, in any combination and that guitar stays in tune. I dont know why musicman stays in tune so much better. The trem looks basically like a fender trem, operates on same principal, but that system is 100 times more stable than any fender.
My question is this, if I hit an open string and then bend another string, the open string drops in Pitch. I hate this. Is there any way to stop this with Floating Bridge on a fender? Same problem with unison bends. Like Tool Sober for example. When I bend one string and not the other, the non-bent string drops in tune. This is a problem I'm struggling with.
Without FR, 2 point bridge, locking tuners and lsr roller nut are the only one I ever played that stayed in tune whatever I did. It was a Am Dlx HSH. Could dive bomb until the stings did hang in å bow and let the arm loose again and it was in perfect tuning pitch again. I have never touched a Fender that you could do that before or after that guitar.
Check the string holes on your bridge plate the next time you have the strings off.. Remove the saddles and inspect them for groves and burrs caused by the string movement with the tremolo. Wound strings pinch here the most. Deburr and lightly camper these holes or replace the bridge plate with a higher quality of steel.
There's one other thing you can do. I learned a technique from Carl Verheyen on adjusting the spring tensions on youtube. Jeff Beck also uses it. It worked really well on a strat I have that was giving me tuning problems.
thanks man, really trying to do those hendrix and eddie van halen divebombs. sometimes i just literally play lenny (which doesn’t use the whammy bar in a really hard way) but it still goes out of tune. helped a lot
I set mine up to where I can do anything from Hendrix, VH, to Jeff Beck. I get the results I did with the ball & chain Floyd! The Floyd reminds me of a set of training weels for a bocycle.😀 Don’t need any nut sauce! We use try things like chap stick, 3&1 oil & would also shave a pencil & put the graphite in the nut. That worked the best. Don't need any of that today. Works flawlessly if you know the main secret.There are a few tricks & physics involved. I been doing it since the early 70’s around 1972-73 I was playing & listening to Jimi Hendrix at the time. Plus I use a different nut & Sperzel tuners. Works fine & I don’t have to stretch the strings either. I was buying Fender necks from Manys Music at 48th st. NYC. The original Sam Ash was accross the street. No one I can think of was routing out a strat in 1972-73. I was putting humbuckers in a couple of custom explorer body's with the original fender bridges not Gibson. Anyone wants the details just ask. It's not a magical black art thing. There is just two main things to make it work😊
I also lubricate the saddles on the bridge. Remember every place the string makes contact. Also if your springs are old you're going to have problems keeping in tune.
Thank you for this video. I was wondering if you could do a review of a Tagima TG-530 Strat Style Guitar and your opinion of the whammy bar set up on that guitar in comparison to a Fender Strat?
I'm just plugged into Channel 1 of that Mesa JP-2C with reverb from the amp! That ringing, glassy tone is characteristic of a Stratocaster. New strings always help but that's it! All Strat!
That’s the sound of those criminally underrated Mexican Standard ceramic pickups, I love them. They are one of the main reasons I chose the MIM over the American Standard.
I'm going to buy a electric guitar soon and start out playing but I have a question, because the strat I'm getting has a tremolo bridge, and I'm wondering if I were to remove the whammy bar and not use it at all, will my strings go out of tune as often w the whammy bar?
Wind the strings the least amount possible on the tuning pegs, stretch the strings, make sure the nut is smooth and lubed, if u use the bar for just a little vibrato it’s pretty good at staying in tune but if ur doing dive bombs all the time just get a Floyd if u wanna stay in tune.
I am planning to buy a strat, but I sometimes change to drop tunings. I've heard that its a pain to change the tuning in a trem system. Can you please help me on this.
Thank you for this information but, most of us are familiar with the different types of lube for keeping your Strat in tune when using a gentle touch on the tremolo bar. So.....how does Jeff Beck keep his guitar in tune? Aside from the Fender Wilkinson Roller Nut, which he has on everyone one of his Strats and can't be bought anywhere unless you snatch up one of the few remaining 80's Strat Plus' that actually came with the Wilkinson Nut, (which I have done), how does he keep his guitar in tune. He works that bar as hard as anyone I've ever seen and rarely do you see him tune up live, even after torturing that tremolo on the previous tune. Sometimes he just swaps out guitars, but for me the real question is, how it it that Jeff's guitar rarely go out of tune? Any suggestions?
Most any trem can be set up for floating. It all has to do with the spacing ( trem saddles ) from the body = Approx 1/8 inch ( as shown here ). Adjusting the inner cavity's trem block and spring tension to allow it to float - so you can Pitch Up or Down.
hello i have a problem. Once the guitar is in tune when using the tremolo, the tone of the first string is raised and after the band returns to the tone. The guitar is a Malmstein fender. Can anyone help?
Quick answer: Use the arm gently and sparingly. If you want to do stuff like Eddie Van Halen or Jeff Beck, you'll need upgrades like a Floyd Rose and / or locking nut
I have an American Dlx with the LSR roller nut. I don't use the trem so I decked it using 5 springs and tightening the claw screws but it still won't stay in tune. Strings immediately go flat on bends (well stretched strings). I think the strings are binding in the roller nut but that's the problem that roller nuts are supposed to eliminate and I don't know what to do about it. Any ideas?
Try using 3 springs in a V configuration ... the center straight up/down and the other two right next to the center on both sides and both going to the corner hook to make the V pattern. Works for me Neal
also need to lube the underside of the string tree and saddles. I can dive bomb and go pretty crazy on it and it holds it's tune very well. and do yourself a favor and get locking tuners. they should come standard on my Pro II but they don't. greedy fender.
Whenever I do double stop bends on my MiM strat, the E string's pitch goes slightly lower because the bridge is pulled up a bit due to the bending of the B string. So my B string's bend has to match the E string note that I'm fretting, but at a slightly lower pitch, making the note be out of tune. Does anyone else have this problem?
thats just how a floating trem works. You need to tighten the springs on the back to make it flush with the body so that when you bend a string the bridge doesnt pull forwards because the springs would have more tension than the strings
Kiko lourerio from megadeth suggests to hold the bridge down with your hand while doing bends so other strings dont go out of tune when the bending pulls the bridge up
Whenever I use the tremelo bar my guitar will go super sharp or flat like the bridge is getting stuck in a new position. Trying to figure out how to fix this problem.
@Europa some bridges are easier to work w/ than others. don't give up... assuming the bridge mechanism is not defective, lubricate the contact points where the bridge touches the 6 screws. the 6 screws should allow full motion for the tremolo bridge (up and down), the screw heads don't need/shouldn't touch the bridge. (use a screw driver, a wire, etc.. dip it in lubricant and then touch the back of the screws that hold the bridge. a small amount will wick down the screw) if the strings are new, make sure they are stretched.. also press down on them at the point where they come off the saddles and behind the nut. also, proper spring tension helps... this is how you adjust the springs and bridge height: 1. with the guitar in tune and the bridge floating, tighten the back tremolo screws so that the tremolo touches or is parallel w/ the body. (sometimes there is a gap, it depends how the front of the bridge is positioned relative to the body) 2. retune the G string to G. 3. use sticky notes under the bridge to float it, enough of them to make the G string become an E. (this will be the balanced position for your floating bridge) 4. with the sticky notes holding the bridge, retune all strings. 5. remove the sticky notes from under the bridge. (the tuning will go high, as the bridge pulls on the strings) 6. using the back tremolo screws, loosen them gradually until the guitar is back in tune. this is the final position for the bridge. using a different gauge of strings requires a re-balance of the spring tension. hope this helps, good luck. *if done correctly, the E string should go a half step sharp (F) when the tremolo is pulled all the way up. ** the heavier strings (E, A) may remain sharp (no more than 10 cents) after the tremolo is pulled all the way up. to reset them, slightly press down the tremolo... this is most likely due to friction between the many contact points (the 6 screws, the strings touching the bridge and the saddles, the nut and lastly, the give in the tuners)
Pretty sure it's because the tremelo system and how when you mess with one string, it causes the tremelo system to raise up, making the other strings go out too
The best way to maintain tuning stability is making sure the strings are totally stretched out and use a nut lube like Big Bends Nut Sauce or GHS Grphital. These products keep the strings from binding in the individual nut slots. Bottom line though, dive bombs on a non-locking trem is pushing the design of the thing to the limit so you have to manage expectations!
@@MooreMusicGuitars that is your answer? You don't know how to set up a Strat. I've had at least a dozen Strats over the last 15 years and have never had a problem keeping them in tune and I've never used any lubricant. No need. No need for a Floyd. I have a brain and I use it well.
@@acegibson9533 lol chill the fuck down dude. He's just trying to help. You act like he's purposefully misleading people, he's just saying what he knows and does to his instruments. No one is stopping you from doing the same. Not everyone is as "professional" as you and that's perfectly fine.
I think it's www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/big-bends-nut-sauce-tuning-lubricant - but I also think it's just expensive Vaseline petroleum jelly (some people also use chap stick).
2 reasons 1. when u use the tremolo and when u are done the tremolo doesn't get back in place(u need to loosen the bolts on term and lubricate them) 2. the string gets caught in the nut of the guitar(smooth sandpaper and gently sand the string slot, and ofc locking tuners would help)
I love my Strat and it is set up nicely but I threw away the tremolo a long time ago because it DOES twang it all out of tune no matter what. Frustrating really.
Sensible comments from a knowledgeable person. While it's true that Fender tremolo is not a good design, Ed explains how to compensate and get the best tune stability possible.
Daniel Ibanez - Not a good design? It works fine as a tremolo but we're asking it to be something it's not. Even Eddie runs his Floyd flush against the body and has to be depressed before he can raise a note, plus with a locking nut. And we all hate a locking nut. I've been playing an SL57 and the angled headstock seems to help. Maybe a roller nut with a zero fret? IDK?
What about the string bends that always sets that string out of tune. And u need to use the tremolo to bring it back to tune! This really stress me out
You didn't cover the most important things. You need to make sure the screws on the trem are set properly on the front of the bridge. If they touch the plate in a certain way it'll go out of tune. You then have to balance the tension with the springs. Unfortunately the better made guitar the better the term will be.My custom shops Never go out even with dive bombing and I don't use lubes. An mim stratocaster will have issues due to building quality. Either will never more work to function well.
@@virnalinebrida-sunga7748 i learn from carl verheyen and it work,,but it just running a little bit..but its ok .. i think VEGA TREM or SUPER VEE BLADE RUNNER is the best tremolo for strat
Its a chame for Fender. 2700 swiss Franks for a Malmsteen, and i canot tudch de fucking tremolo. They say its Like wintach and charge iven more. I hat the shit gutare. Money throd out of the window. Finale jet they are not able too resolf tiuningproblems. The UA-cam is full with people wo are sad about that. Shame Fender, livin in the fucking Old Days. For 2500 Dollars and no tune. You talking trash
I could knock this guitar out of tune in under 30 seconds,outdated garbage system from the 50s.I guess Fender just hasnt made enough money to design a system that actually works.I wouldnt touch that tremolo bar on a stage on a dare.
Really Greg? Probably because you have shit for brains. I've been using the stock tremelo on a Fender Start for over 15 years now and I've NEVER had any tuning problems. There is a CORRECT way of setting it up. I won't tell you because you don't deserve to know.
But Van Halen dive bombs are what tremolos are for.
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Exactly
Eddie did the first Van Halen album with a ‘58 Strat bridge. No locking nut.
exactly i have a 15 years old crafter 150 euro cost and i can dive bomb like Van Halen and more without loosing tune
That first tip is exactly what I needed to hear. I kept wondering why it wouldn't stay flush, and here you are telling me I've been doing it right the whole time.
0:43 Damn, I thought he was gonna play Lenny.
I am mad on how he plays iconic SRV chords and yet not continue
Rip EVH 🥺
Thanks for saying the truth, if you want a dive bombin shred machine, get one. But this one stays in tune very well if you have the guitar set up right. And Ed, imo the American Professional Strat trem is the best functioning of the ones that come stock I have used in 20 years (omg I am getting old). It was smart to say this one works fine for most things, as many people hate on it and think it’s the first thing to change when you buy a new strat. It worked fine for Gilmour and Hendrix, so shake the thing!
the only thing I really hate with the vintage style trems are the saddle screws. they are annoyance and dig into my palm because I rest my palm there.
I keep my Strat lubed with Deoxit 5, and I’ve put on staggered locking tuners, and a SuperVee Maglok. Tuning stability is great with this setup.
Very Good. Im using the Nut Sauce and it does help. A Professional Set-Up and proper Intonation helps tremendously. I do all my own maintenance after watching the Frudua Videos. He is a Master.
this^^^
nut sauce hehe
You are amazing! and this video is the explanation of why even using locking tuners your guitar can go out of tune if there is no lubrication in every nut slot.
My strat came with the trem decked and I didn’t even know you could set it to float. After I figured that out, I realized I liked the increased sustain and tuning stability of having it decked. I’ve actually considered putting in a block because I never use the tremolo.
Old strats had fixed bridges, Robert Cray used to play one of those.
@@DJBuglip Strats witha fixed bridge (or "hard tail") were only ever an option from the factory. a Standard model always had a trem.
Interestingly enough contrary to common experience with floating tremolos, when I unlocked the trem and set it to float it gave the guitar considerably better sustain.
Interestingly enough contrary to common experience with floating tremolos, when I unlocked the trem and set it to float it gave the guitar considerably better sustain.
I spent the best part of 2 days trying to get my strat into tune ... and keeping it there ... might just stick with my tele😂
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Thank you!!
Sorry. I can't help it. "Lubricant" and "nut slot" in one sentence made me crack 😂😂😂😂
Think your mom was on crack when she named you !
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You naughty boy... always thinking dirt...;-)
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Thanks for this lesson. I found it really useful.
Another tip is to pull up on the tremolo bar before tuning each string. Then, if you DO happen to fall out of tune, you can pull up on the bar to go back into tune.
@@iPhone4Gaddict no it doesn't, it works perfectly, even on a cheap squire.
Yup when I attempt divebombs I pull back up on the bar to get that sweet spot where it's in tune
@@quentin536 yes, after a dive, a quick yank all the way up, strings muted if necessary. Back in perfect tune in a split second. And mine is a cheap squire with a 6 screw type trem.
Yeah same ! That quick gentle pull on the bar has become second nature . It's funny , when I was young , I couldn't stand Strats , they never seemed to stay in tune compared to the Epiphone EA250's vibrato that I owned then and I thought they sounded thin . I used to love records with Hendrix, Clapton, Hank Marvin , Buddy Holly , Richie Blackmore, and many other Strat players but when I picked one up ,I sounded shit lol. Although I bought a used '96 Squier from a friend about 19 years ago (I still have it) , I really got into Strats & the bar about 5 years ago. My go to guitars right now 😉👌
Just like airplanes, after a dive, pull up, lol
Good Job Ed !!
You can also buy finely powdered teflon. Process: 1. Restring 2. Use a 'Strecha' to stretch the strings. 3. With the strings detuned low, smooth a tiny bit teflon powder over the top of the strings (in their slots) then pull up each string (allowing the powder to drop in and around the slot) and finally snap the string back into the slot. This coats both the string and slot with teflon. 4. Retune the strings. Viola! Perfectly smooth string slots;)
Steve, I liked your work in AirHeads, Reservoir Dogs and Fargo. And I agree with your views on tipping.
You look like you haven't aged a day! Thanks for the tips! (Hey, you tipped?)
One thing missing here critical is the right string size for the NUT. Correct gauges slide easier so bigger gauges require a Nut with deeper slots.
This works great if all you do is vibrato chords, but if you stretch a string during a solo, then go back to chords, your axe will likely be out of tune. The secret here is to simply push your trem arm down just once, not too hard, not too soft and DO NOT pull back on it (up-pitch). Doing this is an art (like playing) and should bring the strings all back to equilibrium (if they were properly equalized and tuned prior to the stretch). Practice it.
Yeah, but then you have to dive the bar after every bend. Especially g string bends, so yes that method works great, but it is not practical.
Pulling up on the bar to reset works way better, of course then you got to do it after every downward movement of the bar.
Strat trem sucks, it just does. Watch steve lukather play his musicman, and he can bend, go up, go down, in any combination and that guitar stays in tune.
I dont know why musicman stays in tune so much better. The trem looks basically like a fender trem, operates on same principal, but that system is 100 times more stable than any fender.
My question is this, if I hit an open string and then bend another string, the open string drops in Pitch. I hate this. Is there any way to stop this with Floating Bridge on a fender? Same problem with unison bends. Like Tool Sober for example. When I bend one string and not the other, the non-bent string drops in tune. This is a problem I'm struggling with.
Without FR, 2 point bridge, locking tuners and lsr roller nut are the only one I ever played that stayed in tune whatever I did. It was a Am Dlx HSH. Could dive bomb until the stings did hang in å bow and let the arm loose again and it was in perfect tuning pitch again. I have never touched a Fender that you could do that before or after that guitar.
Great Tips Brother. Your Tone is Phenomenal. Thanks.
Michael Caz I agree
@@hunterxbox11 For me . . . there is nothing more Expressive then a Strat-style guitar - with a Floating Tremolo.
Check the string holes on your bridge plate the next time you have the strings off.. Remove the saddles and inspect them for groves and burrs caused by the string movement with the tremolo. Wound strings pinch here the most. Deburr and lightly camper these holes or replace the bridge plate with a higher quality of steel.
"Chamfer".
There's one other thing you can do. I learned a technique from Carl Verheyen on adjusting the spring tensions on youtube. Jeff Beck also uses it. It worked really well on a strat I have that was giving me tuning problems.
thanks man, really trying to do those hendrix and eddie van halen divebombs. sometimes i just literally play lenny (which doesn’t use the whammy bar in a really hard way) but it still goes out of tune. helped a lot
I set mine up to where I can do anything from Hendrix, VH, to Jeff Beck. I get the results I did with the ball & chain Floyd! The Floyd reminds me of a set of training weels for a bocycle.😀 Don’t need any nut sauce! We use try things like chap stick, 3&1 oil & would also shave a pencil & put the graphite in the nut. That worked the best. Don't need any of that today. Works flawlessly if you know the main secret.There are a few tricks & physics involved. I been doing it since the early 70’s around 1972-73 I was playing & listening to Jimi Hendrix at the time. Plus I use a different nut & Sperzel tuners. Works fine & I don’t have to stretch the strings either. I was buying Fender necks from Manys Music at 48th st. NYC. The original Sam Ash was accross the street. No one I can think of was routing out a strat in 1972-73. I was putting humbuckers in a couple of custom explorer body's with the original fender bridges not Gibson. Anyone wants the details just ask. It's not a magical black art thing. There is just two main things to make it work😊
Lol. 1,500 words and didn’t put the “secret”. Of course it’s the same “secret” in 29 other comments.
hey man can I ask for the details?
I also lubricate the saddles on the bridge. Remember every place the string makes contact. Also if your springs are old you're going to have problems keeping in tune.
String trees too
Thank you for this video. I was wondering if you could do a review of a Tagima TG-530 Strat Style Guitar and your opinion of the whammy bar set up on that guitar in comparison to a Fender Strat?
great advice!
Thank you very much! Working!
Thank you good sir
Jeff Beck used to (maybe still does) use graphite powder in the nut grooves.
I Love the ringing sound of that Guitar. Any tips on that please ? Great Video. Thanks
I'm just plugged into Channel 1 of that Mesa JP-2C with reverb from the amp! That ringing, glassy tone is characteristic of a Stratocaster. New strings always help but that's it! All Strat!
Thank You :)
You're Welcome!
That’s the sound of those criminally underrated Mexican Standard ceramic pickups, I love them. They are one of the main reasons I chose the MIM over the American Standard.
According to Eddie Van Halen's tech, you just RUINED that whole set of strings by stretching them that way. 😂
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Eddies tech should try getting physical with him. See how that goes.
well how are you supposed to do it?
@@bassfishingwiththeantichri2921 bend it like really big bends
(bB string at 2:23) "that's pretty good!"
lol, you noticed too eh?
Heard that too! Lol
I was thinking the same thing :P
I don't get it. What was it?
@@Texturas75 it's gone flat. It's no longer in tune. If you play for years hearing a slightly out of tune note or chord is SO PAINFUL.
also check Carl Verheyens strat setup. He is an expert in keeping strats in tune.
Used WD40 + pencil graphite as lube for my hood rigged strat. Trem never goes out of tune now thanks for advice!
I'm going to buy a electric guitar soon and start out playing but I have a question, because the strat I'm getting has a tremolo bridge, and I'm wondering if I were to remove the whammy bar and not use it at all, will my strings go out of tune as often w the whammy bar?
What pups are in that strat? Sounds nice.
Wind the strings the least amount possible on the tuning pegs, stretch the strings, make sure the nut is smooth and lubed, if u use the bar for just a little vibrato it’s pretty good at staying in tune but if ur doing dive bombs all the time just get a Floyd if u wanna stay in tune.
Black with maple board
So nice
I am planning to buy a strat, but I sometimes change to drop tunings. I've heard that its a pain to change the tuning in a trem system. Can you please help me on this.
Suhail Gulati It's for floyd rose guitars
Thank you for this information but, most of us are familiar with the different types of lube for keeping your Strat in tune when using a gentle touch on the tremolo bar. So.....how does Jeff Beck keep his guitar in tune? Aside from the Fender Wilkinson Roller Nut, which he has on everyone one of his Strats and can't be bought anywhere unless you snatch up one of the few remaining 80's Strat Plus' that actually came with the Wilkinson Nut, (which I have done), how does he keep his guitar in tune. He works that bar as hard as anyone I've ever seen and rarely do you see him tune up live, even after torturing that tremolo on the previous tune. Sometimes he just swaps out guitars, but for me the real question is, how it it that Jeff's guitar rarely go out of tune? Any suggestions?
does it stay in tune for mick mars solos and riffs?
So, A New Mexican Fender Standard Stratocaster has the floating trem already?
Most any trem can be set up for floating. It all has to do with the spacing ( trem saddles ) from the body = Approx 1/8 inch ( as shown here ). Adjusting the inner cavity's trem block and spring tension to allow it to float - so you can Pitch Up or Down.
hello i have a problem. Once the guitar is in tune when using the tremolo, the tone of the first string is raised and after the band returns to the tone. The guitar is a Malmstein fender. Can anyone help?
Quick answer: Use the arm gently and sparingly. If you want to do stuff like Eddie Van Halen or Jeff Beck, you'll need upgrades like a Floyd Rose and / or locking nut
Put some Callaham springs in it (cold rolled steel), and keep that nut well lubed! A sticking nut is where most problems occur!
So I can just easly change tuning to for example drop D and it will be in tune?
It is a floating bridge so, if you drop to D, you'll probably have to fine tune a few of the other strings but once that's done, it should be stable.
I have an American Dlx with the LSR roller nut. I don't use the trem so I decked it using 5 springs and tightening the claw screws but it still won't stay in tune. Strings immediately go flat on bends (well stretched strings). I think the strings are binding in the roller nut but that's the problem that roller nuts are supposed to eliminate and I don't know what to do about it. Any ideas?
Only thing I can think of is the slipping is occurring in the capstand of your old tuners. There may be some wear there that's causing the slippage.
Try using 3 springs in a V configuration ... the center straight up/down and the other two right next to the center on both sides and both going to the corner hook to make the V pattern. Works for me Neal
That's providing you don't want the trem ... :-)
Neal B See Carl Verheyen whammy bar tricks.. UA-cam. You’ll be amazed.
I replaced the roller nut with a new one and that cured the tuning problem. I don't use the trem and plan on leaving it decked.
Subbed!
What sort of lubricant?
also need to lube the underside of the string tree and saddles. I can dive bomb and go pretty crazy on it and it holds it's tune very well. and do yourself a favor and get locking tuners. they should come standard on my Pro II but they don't. greedy fender.
heavier strings help tremendously (11 gauge)
How come?
So how did Hendrix and Gary Moore their extreme diving and pulling and stay in tune?
Hendrix NEVER stayed in tune
Whenever I do double stop bends on my MiM strat, the E string's pitch goes slightly lower because the bridge is pulled up a bit due to the bending of the B string.
So my B string's bend has to match the E string note that I'm fretting, but at a slightly lower pitch, making the note be out of tune.
Does anyone else have this problem?
thats just how a floating trem works. You need to tighten the springs on the back to make it flush with the body so that when you bend a string the bridge doesnt pull forwards because the springs would have more tension than the strings
Kiko lourerio from megadeth suggests to hold the bridge down with your hand while doing bends so other strings dont go out of tune when the bending pulls the bridge up
I've got a roller nut and lock-in machine heads and still out of tune
Using lubricant for the nutslot is an universal rule
Whenever I use the tremelo bar my guitar will go super sharp or flat like the bridge is getting stuck in a new position. Trying to figure out how to fix this problem.
My Mexican fender strat also. Seems like like the problem is with the bridge, I don't know. But the nut is lubrificated
@Europa
some bridges are easier to work w/ than others. don't give up...
assuming the bridge mechanism is not defective, lubricate the contact points where the bridge touches the 6 screws. the 6 screws should allow full motion for the tremolo bridge (up and down), the screw heads don't need/shouldn't touch the bridge. (use a screw driver, a wire, etc.. dip it in lubricant and then touch the back of the screws that hold the bridge. a small amount will wick down the screw)
if the strings are new, make sure they are stretched.. also press down on them at the point where they come off the saddles and behind the nut.
also, proper spring tension helps... this is how you adjust the springs and bridge height:
1. with the guitar in tune and the bridge floating, tighten the back tremolo screws so that the tremolo touches or is parallel w/ the body. (sometimes there is a gap, it depends how the front of the bridge is positioned relative to the body)
2. retune the G string to G.
3. use sticky notes under the bridge to float it, enough of them to make the G string become an E. (this will be the balanced position for your floating bridge)
4. with the sticky notes holding the bridge, retune all strings.
5. remove the sticky notes from under the bridge. (the tuning will go high, as the bridge pulls on the strings)
6. using the back tremolo screws, loosen them gradually until the guitar is back in tune.
this is the final position for the bridge. using a different gauge of strings requires a re-balance of the spring tension.
hope this helps, good luck.
*if done correctly, the E string should go a half step sharp (F) when the tremolo is pulled all the way up.
** the heavier strings (E, A) may remain sharp (no more than 10 cents) after the tremolo is pulled all the way up. to reset them, slightly press down the tremolo...
this is most likely due to friction between the many contact points (the 6 screws, the strings touching the bridge and the saddles, the nut and lastly, the give in the tuners)
@@jorgetome7089 read my reply to @europa, hope it helps, good luck
@@duroxkilo thanks. I my case I solved the problem by raising up the 2 screws of the bridge and lowering the sadles. Now it's perfect
@@jorgetome7089 excellent!!
Why when I drop tune I always have to do it like 5 times to get it to actually stay?
Pretty sure it's because the tremelo system and how when you mess with one string, it causes the tremelo system to raise up, making the other strings go out too
Don't have this problem with any fixed bridge guitar, only strat
What about dive bombs though? Cause mine goes out of tune if I do it. Is there no way around that?
The best way to maintain tuning stability is making sure the strings are totally stretched out and use a nut lube like Big Bends Nut Sauce or GHS Grphital. These products keep the strings from binding in the individual nut slots. Bottom line though, dive bombs on a non-locking trem is pushing the design of the thing to the limit so you have to manage expectations!
@@MooreMusicGuitars that is your answer? You don't know how to set up a Strat. I've had at least a dozen Strats over the last 15 years and have never had a problem keeping them in tune and I've never used any lubricant. No need. No need for a Floyd. I have a brain and I use it well.
@@acegibson9533 lol chill the fuck down dude. He's just trying to help. You act like he's purposefully misleading people, he's just saying what he knows and does to his instruments. No one is stopping you from doing the same. Not everyone is as "professional" as you and that's perfectly fine.
So what type of lubricant are you using?
Big Bends Nut Sauce. It is the only way to lube your nut!
I just can't go any further with this thread. Lol.
What is the name of the lube?? What about installing one of those roller ball nuts?
I think it's www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/big-bends-nut-sauce-tuning-lubricant - but I also think it's just expensive Vaseline petroleum jelly (some people also use chap stick).
Use a graph tech nut instead.
When I bend, the floating tremolo causes the string to become out of tune. Wiggling it a bit makes it go back in tune. Pretty annoying
2 reasons
1. when u use the tremolo and when u are done the tremolo doesn't get back in place(u need to loosen the bolts on term and lubricate them)
2. the string gets caught in the nut of the guitar(smooth sandpaper and gently sand the string slot, and ofc locking tuners would help)
String tension must also equal spring tension.
Anytime it's floating that case is always true 100% of the time. Think about it.
But i want to do evh dive bombs so do i need floy rose locking guitar?
A Floyd Rose is best if Dive Bombs are your Main Objective when using a Tremolo.
@@MooreMusicGuitars thanks
I love my Strat and it is set up nicely but I threw away the tremolo a long time ago because it DOES twang it all out of tune no matter what. Frustrating really.
I came here to learn how to keep it in tune to play van halen
Any cheap lubricant you can recomment I try the WD40 well is ok but sometimes not any tips?
Walnut is not a problem here
Twin Peaks black lodge vibes
Problem is when I bend one string. The tremolo changes tunes of other strings.
Yes, that is the nature of the floating tremolo. Bending one string makes the entire bridge move, the other strings' pitch will be affected.
One thing you can do is if you're going for a bend, put just enough pressure on the bridge w/your hand to compensate for it 👍🏻
Trem stabilizer and you're done.
That is the weirdest intro music I've ever heard.
My prs se tremolo stays in tune better than my American Strat
What kind of lubricant
Big Bends nut sauce
Astroglide Diamond
Pencil
Mine stay in tune even with dive bombs.
How? I just want to play Panama lol
yes how? Please let us know :)
@@rylanfreidhof7410 I think he dive bombed so hard the strings popped off and cut his throat cause he not responding
Eddie started out using a normal fender trek. No locking at all.
Outside of Van Halen style dive bombs your guitar will stay in tune
Yhgwie Malmsteen Alcatraz Evil Eye brought me here.
Whammy bar lol
why the hell is it called tremolo, i mean its not tremolo yet everyone says its a tremolo arm
why divebomb? The tremolo was made to do melodious sounds....as Leo intended....Not to be abused like these headbangers.....
0:19 mkay?
string gauge?🤔
We were using stock Fender .009-.042
@@MooreMusicGuitars nice.. thanks bro! 👌😉
@@herywonderboy8941 You're welcome
But I wanna play van halen :(
Then you want to upgrade to a locking nut. You can go nuts with that tremelo after that.
Kirk Cornell:-7
Easiest way?
Replace it with a Vega Trem.
Want some Van Halen divebombs?,Lube it with WD40 it works great
Sensible comments from a knowledgeable person. While it's true that Fender tremolo is not a good design, Ed explains how to compensate and get the best tune stability possible.
Daniel Ibanez - Not a good design? It works fine as a tremolo but we're asking it to be something it's not.
Even Eddie runs his Floyd flush against the body and has to be depressed before he can raise a note, plus with a locking nut. And we all hate a locking nut.
I've been playing an SL57 and the angled headstock seems to help. Maybe a roller nut with a zero fret? IDK?
What about the string bends that always sets that string out of tune. And u need to use the tremolo to bring it back to tune! This really stress me out
Avoids calling the nut sauce nut sauce..
Wth is kirk hammet here jk bro keep play in
Looks nothing like Kirk.
1201zj Yeah he looks more like Petrucci
You didn't cover the most important things.
You need to make sure the screws on the trem are set properly on the front of the bridge. If they touch the plate in a certain way it'll go out of tune. You then have to balance the tension with the springs.
Unfortunately the better made guitar the better the term will be.My custom shops Never go out even with dive bombing and I don't use lubes.
An mim stratocaster will have issues due to building quality. Either will never more work to function well.
OK so nut lube.
2:23 no not pretty good. Pretty bad through the rest of the video.
No! No way it does not it doesn't matter what you do it wont stay in tune nothing....nothing works nope.
I bet you out of tune after bend the string
i kno that problem, how do you fix it though?
@@virnalinebrida-sunga7748 i learn from carl verheyen and it work,,but it just running a little bit..but its ok .. i think VEGA TREM or SUPER VEE BLADE RUNNER is the best tremolo for strat
Its a chame for Fender. 2700 swiss Franks for a Malmsteen, and i canot tudch de fucking tremolo. They say its Like wintach and charge iven more. I hat the shit gutare. Money throd out of the window. Finale jet they are not able too resolf tiuningproblems. The UA-cam is full with people wo are sad about that. Shame Fender, livin in the fucking Old Days. For 2500 Dollars and no tune. You talking trash
time wasted
I could knock this guitar out of tune in under 30 seconds,outdated garbage system from the 50s.I guess Fender just hasnt made enough money to design a system that actually works.I wouldnt touch that tremolo bar on a stage on a dare.
I do just fine. If you can knock it out of tune so fast, perhaps youre the problem.
How can you say it's garbage when it's been proven that well setup trem will handle wide whammy abuse...Just look at Ritchie Blackmore in the 70s.
Frudua is a Master. Improved my Vintage Strat tremendously. However - I do Like Pete Thorn's New Wilkinson Locking Bridge.
Really Greg? Probably because you have shit for brains. I've been using the stock tremelo on a Fender Start for over 15 years now and I've NEVER had any tuning problems. There is a CORRECT way of setting it up. I won't tell you because you don't deserve to know.
Greg Johnson they DID design a system that works flawlessly, in 1958. here’s a clue... it starts with J
Trump supporters would expect Mexico to pay for the guitar