Two Things: The Sasuke that fights fatigued Pain is Danzo fight Sasuke with the same intel Naruto has and for everyone saying Kurama would snap Naruto out of Genjutsu, he would not as they’re not cool at this point in time and Kurama has not done it even against Itachi’s 30% clone knowing the Akatsuki want to extract him from Naruto. Same thing with the Genjutsu in the Konoha Crush, so Naruto does not have Genjutsu resistance until he and Kurama are cool AKA Late War Arc, ALSO no Itachi vs Naruto since Itachi demolishes SM Naruto
@@dco7710 short answer is thats when they are best matched up narratively and also killer bee fight sasuke was still weakened because he lost Orochimaru, was still recovering from itachi, and couldnt use his Mangekyou good at all.
Finaly someon aknowadge that sasuke woud beat pain in the same place as naruto also i dont think that naruto will do as well in the 5 kage summit i see him loseing to the raikage
Right. They didn't even mention how he would deal with the Deva path other than quickly. This is at odds with the fact that nearly every fight, Sasuke has help pf some kind
@@spicydiarrhea5662 he kept using a kunai because kunais are objects and Susano’o is a high chakra expenditure to maintain the defence for an attack which clearly takes much less effort
People are coming at me for that, when the version of Sasuke that would be fighting Kiba would be exhausted in his base with no ability to use the Sharingan while Kiba can use a 2x Chakra Pill, people are talking crazy
@@ThunderGodTG the only one that is talking crazy is you. As much as I would love to say Sasuke takes an L vs Kiba it’s a huge joke. Yoroi is easily Chunin level in fighting capability yet Sasuke was able to beat him. Kiba on the other hand is not on the same level as Yoroi and even with the chakra pill the fight drags on with Naruto. Sasuke has superior taijutsu and is more agile than Naruto, Kiba loses easily.
Nah Sasuke isn't getting out of chibaku tensei and yall basically skipped over the hurdles that Sasuke can't deal with. He's just gonna sit back and shoot arrows? At Pain? Couldn't disagree more with this.
You ain’t listen to the video dog, he’s fighting fatigued pain minus the Deva path who was out for over 4 chapters. If I meant FP pain I would have said that which I did not. Naruto had so many factors aiding him against Pain. If pain was FP against Naruto he would have wiped as well but, that’s not the discussion
@@ThunderGodTG so why you nerf Naruto and buff his opponents while nerf nerf Sasuke opponents. Come on you have to make it realistic you can't take away shadow clone that's Naruto main jutsu that's like Taking away Sasuke fire ball jutsu. It's not fair and I can see the bias towards sasuke
@@aceturtle953 I think they did fine with the video. Narutos opponents for a while were genuinely nerfed. Kakuzu being fatigued fighting Shikamaru, Choji, Ino, and Kakashi before Naruto and Yamato showed up. Narutos only mission at that point was to land the finishing blow. Naruo vs pain you have Pain after fighting the village and using a huge Shinra Tensei to destroy the village which forced him to recharge for a long time. During this time Naruto is being given full information on all of pains abilities. I might have missed something but where did you feel Naruto was being nerfed and/or Sasuke being given an easier time than Naruto's actual fights?
They addressed it in the video. They said that with Sasuke spamming his kill moves at the beginning of the fight (which is in character for Sasuke at that point), the deva path wouldn't have had enough time to recharge (meaning chibaku tensei isnt ready to be use yet) because the other paths can't actually stall Sasuke that long. If they manage to do so then yes Pain wins but you'd have to make an argument as to how they stall him that long. The paths didn't show anything capable of stopping Amaterasu and Susanoo Arrows. Videos like these are tricky because as the fight progresses some conditions of the fight change simply by putting Sasuke or Naruto in the other persons position. This being because they will have different weaponry and different strategies. This could lead to fights lasting longer or ending quicker which in this situation actually has a huge affect on the outcome.
Kirin is the perfect jutsu for Sasuke to use on Kakuzu as earth style is weak to lightning style and his masks are made from earth style as well as his jutsu that hardens his skin which is his main source of RAW DURABILITY. This also means things like Sasuke's Chidori variants would also be useful considering how easily Kakashi's lighting blade pierced Kakuzu.
The masks aren’t a earth jutsu despite being called Earth Grudge Fear, it isn’t really a earth jutsu. He has an EARTH mask however and Kirin would destroy that, but the other masks has varied resistance to elemental chakra. So that’s a terrible thing to say Kirin is good against Kakuzu. But a chidori is effective to pierce the hearts.
How can you say Sasuke has an easy time with Pain, one path can literally drink up all of his attacks. Those arrows are chakra still, the animal path can attack and swarm him and the one that could absorb chakra could sneak up and just absorb the susano and it would be out of the fight from that like when he did that to naruto
Shouldn’t he be talking about taka sasukes vs pain because Naruto vs pain was close to sasukes vs itachi and sasukes didn’t have both ms yet, bc he just fought bee (got stomped)
This isn’t about sasuke vs pain it’s about sasuke being in Naruto’s place during the pain invasion he would have intel on all 6 of them. The deva path wouldn’t be able to do anything at the start of the fight cause his abilities don’t come back until the end so all sasuke has to do is turn his susanoo on and light 5/6 of them with Amaterasu and then 1v1 the path that absorbs. Sasuke got the ms right after his fight with itachi that was before pain battle he would no diff if he was in Naruto’s position
I can't believe that pain is being reduced to fodder for Sasuke in the pain arc. Naruto was only able to defeat the pains because he was able to isolate them. Sasuke would lose here because the animal summons can occupy Sasuke's Susanoo and then the other summons can absorb his Susanoo and Sasuke's soul would be pulled out of his body
What’s crazier is that sasuke shouldn’t even have susanoo in this fight😂 they gave him his kage summit version to go up against pain when it really should’ve been the one that fought bee since taka vs bee and naruto vs pain happened around the same time.
@@ThunderGodTG I don’t believe it’s “more entertaining” to be less accurate. In fact I think it’s just as entertaining to have as many facts as possible when talking about hypotheticals. Especially when most of the video you really tried to consider each scenario except when Sasuke fought the paths of pain.
@@ThunderGodTG Entertaining? Maybe. But it makes literally 0 sense, if Sasuke vs Itachi never happened he would've never been able to awaken his M.S during that time frame. 3 Tomoe Sharingan Sasuke would get trampled all over by the Summonings alone. Only reason Naruto was able to subdue them was because of his inhuman strength he gained from S.M and having the three toads by his side.
Yeah sorry but Sasuke with 6 kage summit susanoo isn’t beating Pain. Your forgetting when he first fought Danzo his Susanodidn’t have any arrows and only evolved part way through the battle after his hatred of Danzo and memories of his brother awakened it to that level. Against Pain that wouldn’t happen and even if it did it wouldn’t be at the start of the fight a huge limitation.His susanoo isn’t fast enough without the arrows as the only time it hit Danzo was when he didn’t know it existed and it grabbed him or when he was testing its defense and offense . We saw Danzo dodge Susanoo’s attacks when he felt like it pretty well. He was breathing heavily from using Susanoo and Amaterasu at the same time and was so exhausted he had to stop using Susanoo for part of the fight. All the paths can see though each others eyes and Pain is known to sacrifice less important Pains against other ones and they fight in Synch.Your also underestimating the Paths. The Asura path has a multitude or ranged missles and chakra blast and mechanical weapons . Also it’s physical strength is insane as it crushed Jiraiya’s throat and was able to throw the Animal path all the way into the village from the outskirts . I’d say that’s enough to get past the lowest susanoo rib cage. And his upgraded Susanoo isn’t as durable as you think . Danzo was able to break through with his multi vaccum blast.And using its arms Nagato was able to easily physically restrain killer Bee. The animal path has its summons from the invisible chameleon to the dog or the bird. I don’t see how Sasuke would sense the Chameleon and the best way for Sasuke to put down the dog is with his Atemarasu and at that point he doesn’t have enough control to use that much. The preta path can absorb chakra and besides Kiren I don’t see anything else in Sasukes arsenal to beat it as Naruto beat it by making it absorb too much of his sage mode chakra something Sasuke can’t do. And the Nakara path can revive the other pains easily.
Wouldn't Pain just absorb the majority of Sasuke's ninjutsu until the Deva path recovers? The only reason he couldn't keep doing that to Naruto was because of Sage chakra which Sasuke doesn't have.
Apparently those abilities can just be avoided by susanoo or don't exist in this comparison. They definitely downplayed Pain and pretended like Deva path didn't get stronger with each Path defeated. Sasuke definitely going blind this fight and dying or getting his chakra stolen and dying
@@YoMrRice not to mention they used the wrong sasuke. They should’ve used the sasuke that fought bee bc that was around the same time naruto fought pain. Instead they gave him his stronger version in the kage summit to give him the W
If waiting for Lee/Gaara is the win condition against Kimimaro for Sasuke I think Naruto lasting as long as Sasuke did against the Sound 4 should give him the W as well Other than that solid analysis
Didn't Sasuke loose to the sound 4? It's a different scenarios where lasting against kimimaro is a win because backups are coming unlike fighting the sound 4
@@Unknownuser2. Naruto has a key advantage. The sound 4 are in the Leaf, Naruto is generally a louder shinobi than Sasuke. The odds of no one in the leaf showing up to help Naruto is literal 0 if logic is applied.
I enjoyed the video thanks for posting guys. I don't really understand the pain vs sasuke point's, i think some things were unclear or problematic. - Does sasuke start the fight with 3 giant toads and also ma and pa? They get forgotten about but during the fight they were essential for naruto lasting as long as he did against the pains at the start, they gave him breathing room, mobility and extra attack power. -Is pain trying to kill or capture sasuke, dont think we have ever seen the paths of pain all attempt to kill someone at once like this. -Does pain lose the asura path at the start of the fight like he did against naruto when it tried to kill tsunade. -Why would all of the summons be a non issue for susano, danzos summon actually caused him trouble and it's only ability is a vacuum attack. Pain has immortal dogs, a flying summon, an invisible chameleon, rhino, panda, etc. How much chakra would sasuke waste dealing with them while also dealing with the pains and does it exploit his susanoo's mobility issues at this point in the story? - Pain fights in a formation to work out a fighters abilities and weaknesses, i would imagine a susanoo arrow could work to start with but would it work again with the preta path who is purposefully further back in formation so unlikely to be taken out first? - Comparing danzo to a single path is strange/misleading as they are not fighting sasuke individually here. - naruto had the advantage of using clones to gather nature energy to add to his chakra pool and keep himself in the fight several times, catching pain off guard a few of those times, sasuke wont be able to set up a prep like this before the battle. -What happens if deva path does recover in time against sasuke, does he win then? Keep up the content 👌
@JoeShadows1 He could i agree. But then how much chakra does he waste and how much damage to his eyesight does it cause? What are the other paths doing while he is fighting the summons and does it change the fight, in the video they are completely disregarded which is pretty silly when they are one of pains go to tactics to distract and attack opponents. If the summons are likely to give pain enough time to recharge the deva path then that's something to take into account.
@@JoeShadows1 I think sasuke at this point in the story is being overestimated with how much he can use Susano and amaterasu. If we look back at sasuke during the kage summit he changes drastically, if you take him from the start against the raikage then his susano is nowhere near as dangerous or protective and he gets destroyed very early into this scenario. If you use sasuke that's about to fight danzo then he doesn't have the upgraded susano with arrows yet and his eyes are already starting to have issues, if you take sasuke at the end of the fight with danzo then he is pretty much blind. I think the fairest would be sasuke at the point he was about to fight danzo as you cant just take a sasuke thats got his most powerful form unlocked during a fight when he didn't have it at the start, would be like goku having supersaiyan to start with against frieza, its a different scenario. Tobi comments early on into sasuke vs danzo that he is going to tire himself out after he has used both susano and amaterasu once, his eyes bleed badly and his susano dissipates making him have to dodge danzos follow up attack. This is all in chapter 477 if you wanna check it out. How does that scenario play out against pain compared to danzo? His susano does evolve during the fight ofcourse which I imagine would happen against pain but it's still not a complete form, its completely grounded and again this all adds up time leading to the deva path coming back into play. In terms of attack power its difficult to argue against you that pain could easily break susano without the deva. We dont see pain try and take down something like that under these conditions. If he has the asura path that definitely has effective attack power. Could the susano be absorbed by the preta path as its been stated to absorb any form of chakra, even if it could make an opening and forced susano into the issue it had against danzos summon. Also all the damage susano takes has a big toll on sasuke and his chakra, it isnt like a separate being that operates on its own. To be honest I think danzo gets downplayed quite a bit in the fight against sasuke, mostly as people think him spamming izanagimeant he was weak. He purposefully holds back out of concern that tobi will enter the fight, karin helps sasuke analyse izanagi, both sasuke and danzo go down from the sword stab but sasuke has karin for healing, when danzo could use shisui genjutsu on sasuke at the end he doesn't because of tobi and finally sasuke only just avoids danzos final suicidal attack when tobi gave him warning as he knew exactly what it was. Maybe danzo vs pain would be a better battle.
bruh i swear horizons and thundergod have the best ideas in the community instead of just carbon copy vs battles. easily deserve 10x the following than what they have now.
Nah my guys, Neji is confirmed to style on Lee, who saskue was nearly as fast as when he was out pacing gaara, small Kyuubi amp Naruto had Neji on the back foot. Kyuubi amp Naruto is more comparable to 4th gate Lee than he is to weightless lee except Kyuubi amp Naruto heals instead of tearing his own body apart, Neji was only able to clash with Naruto at the end because Rotation by it's very nature turns the attackers strength against them. Once Naruto dips into Kurama's power Gaara can't win, the Nine tales is just too powerful compared to the one tail (and Kurama is too proud to let shukaku beat him). Also unpopular opinion, Neji beats saskue in the chunin exams. Edit: Preta path solos saskue, he doesn't have any tools to deal with it.
Sasuke’s arrows would do the same thing jiraiya’s frogs did and would make that dog summon just split and multiple all over the place. Itachi block Kirin with his yata mirror and Sasuke doesn’t have that level of defense, so rhino summon, missiles and more all at once deva path waiting it’s still a lot
Sasuke had susanoo once he used both his ms abilities which was during the killer bee fight we just didn’t see him use his susanoo until the 5 kage summit. Since the pain fight happened after the killer bee fight that would mean sasuke has susanoo. It makes sense.
@@hollowpointz2590 sasuke vs bee and sasuke vs kage summit are 2 completely different sasukes. It should’ve been the one that fought bee that went up against pain in this video but they gave him his stronger version.
@@Rck-vert itachi wasnt acting with kirin, itachi actually had to protect himself with susanoo... while i dont believe he fully activated the susanoo because the armored susanoo definitely wouldnt have broke vs just kirin, sasuke at the very least destroyed either the ribcage or skeletal susanoo along with the entire uchiha hideout in one move.
@@OldFolkz that’s all facts but still itachi was literally blind atp in the fight and literal seconds away from death he was basically a walking corpse when the fight started but he was actually a walking corpse once kirin popped out. I definitely feel like itachi wouldn’t have even flinched at that move if he was a little more healthy or at least not basically dead already. He’s no madara but compared to 90% of the ninja world he was in madara & obitos tier of absolute Ls to everyone they fight. Leaving out the boruto generation and all the adult versions of the naruto cast you could count on one hand the list of characters without alien amps that could genuinely mop itachi
@@OldFolkz Itachi deactivated susanoo to trick Sasuke, he used yata mirror as he states which means the parts of kirin that would hit him was actually deflected
Just a quick thing to mention Naruto wouldn't be able to use Kyuubi chakra against Yoroi because Orochimaru put a 5 Prong seal on him during the forest of death which prevented him from using any of the kyuubi chakra until Jiraiya removed it during their training for the finals
@@marko1263 wrong, Naruto already had that power so he could have yes, sasuke only had 2 tomoe, he didn’t have that power awakened but Naruto already had Kurama chakra awakened, it was against sasuke that he used one tailed cloack just because of the script, but Naruto already had that power so we could count it there but sasuke no.
I don't think Amateratsu can combat a tailed beast in its full form. We've seen the Ten Tails remove the part that was on fire, the Nine Tails Chakra Mode can survive it evident from the Final Battle, and the Eight Tails survived it too. The only reason Killer Bee lost is because he allowed it and went on a secret vacation.
The Ten Tails is the actual only exception Bee only got away due to his tail being cut off, the 8 tails remarks how he took time to recover for the incident since his entire body was charred
obviously a joke, but think about when their roles would be actually reversed. Naruto being power hungry because of a desire to take revenge, leaving Konoha to be taught by evil version of jiraya. Jiraya placing a seal on him, granting Naruto access to a lesser version of sage mode (just like the curse seal on sasuke basically does) and Naruto not being opposed to the idea of letting Kurama take him over once in a while. Meanwhile Sasuke promised Sakura to get Naruto back because Sakura has a crush on Naruto, so he starts training under hermit orochimaru or maybe even hermit itachi xD Would be an interesting alternate version of the story lol
@@Yul_B_Awright it was pretty obvious (to me atleast) that naruto was keeping up while holding back, guy would have curb stomped sauske if he was out for blood
Naruto Vs Gaara - We can’t use his feat from the forest because it doesn’t make sense. Sasuke Vs Neji - Exclusively uses feats of Sasuke in the forest.
That's taking it out of contect, Naruto's forest feats are a result of him having a CRAZY Mental Amp to protect Squad 7, Sasuke has none of that so his feats stand as consistent and not an outlier
@@ThunderGodTG He literally uses the curse mark in the forest, something he wouldn’t have been able to in the chunin exams due to Anko, Kakashi, or the Third stepping in. It was a rule in the round before and to think that the rule wouldn’t still apply would be absurd from Sasuke’s POV even if it didn’t apply.
The Curse Mark was only active after the Final Chidori was launched, there would be no way for the group to stop it, with the curse mark not even being the primary argument
I rewatched the video and I still dont see the unfairness that people are mentioning. They did the same thing with Naruto in Sasukes fights that they did with Sasuke in Naruto's. Naruto wasn't made fatigue for Sasukes fight against Yoroi. Sasuke was stated to not have fully healed from itachis fight before fighting Killer B and he had just lost his curse mark but they put a fresh Naruto in these fights. I think the point of the video was if say Naruto or Sasuke just happened to fight each others villains at that point in the story, how would they fair. So while Sasuke may have been fatigued against Yoroi, they put fresh Naruto in there because they treated it like if the chunin exams chose differently. Thats why Sasuke was still fatigued when they put him up against Kiba. I honestly think the video was really well done! Keep up the amazing content!
Bro thank you, people aren’t understanding that at these points in the stories the villains aren’t necessarily at FP either it’s blowing my mind. I appreciate you catching that
Got 2 beefs with it lol wouldn’t the sasuke going against pain based on time line be the one who fought Itachi so he gets folded lol , and then my second thing was if your giving sasuke curse mark why doesn’t Naruto get V2 cloak against Explosion man because Deidera is not tanking the tail beast bomb that was fired at Orochimaru
It’s more so that at that point in the series Naruto was desperate to not rely on the Nine Tails so it didn’t seem right, but v1-3 still lose imo, also any other Sasuke gets realistically wiped by pain with the 5KS being the narrative counterpart to SM even though his boss fight happened earlier
@@ThunderGodTG fatigued Pain was still able to trap 6 tails Kurama and almost for a while 8 tails kurama, if it wasn't for the "emotional amp" and Kurama's power Naruto would be buried deeper than Queen Elizabeth
@@ThunderGodTG Sasuke isn't that much stronger than Naruto, most of their fights the other one wouldn't be able to win because of pure context, Naruto probably wouldn't be able to kill Danzo because his sage mode would expire and Sasuke wouldn't be able to win against Pain, Sasuke barely won against Danzo he needed help from Karin imagine what Pain would do to him
@@nananakeson that sasuke fought raikage, darui, cee, gaara, temari, kankuro, choji, mei, mifune and still killed danzo do you REALLY think sasuke is not that much stronger then SM naruto who was fighting 5 paths weakend keep in mind sasuke stomps he is way smarter more versityle and stronger at that time
@@nanyohristov4818 All of those fights he was saved by the plot like a hundred times, in the kage summit he was supposed to die like a 100 times if it wasn't for Tobi/Karin, the point is not that Sasuke isn't strong or stronger than Naruto the point is that he isn't as strong as Pain
I don’t see why Naruto wouldn’t win against Gaara in the Chunin Exams. Yeah Naruto was scared but because of his goal and rivalry with Sasuke I highly doubt he would forfeit and that would cause him to feel like it’s life or death. Also look at how Naruto fought Sasuke in the valley of the end. If his life is in danger I really don’t see why he wouldn’t go into One Tailed Stage. He just wouldn’t have the Rasengan. He had those amps because part of him felt like it was life or death in the forest against Gaara, I feel he would still get those plot amps
I was going to put that but, honestly it’s such a weird fight that’s hard to properly use. Sasuke either Amaterasu wins or just gets blatantly overwhelmed
@@ThunderGodTG tbh I feel like Sasuke folds Kurama with genjutsu alone. Obito had him under complete control at 14. not to mention a much weaker Sasuke suppressed Kurama inside Naruto’s conscious with basic Sharingan genjutsu
@@Musclingus yes and MS users are said to be able to control kurama... besides people seems to forget Naruto actually body was sitting still in that fight which was why he was able to constantly absorb sage chakra. It's was literally infinite sage mode Naruto vs kurama because I always see people giving those feats to regular sage Naruto
@@ThunderGodTG yes and MS users are said to be able to control kurama... besides people seems to forget Naruto actually body was sitting still in that fight which was why he was able to constantly absorb sage chakra. It's was literally infinite sage mode Naruto vs kurama because I always see people giving those feats to regular sage Naruto .
I’d say Sage Naruto vs Killer Bee is more debatable/contentious tbh don’t forget Sage Naruto overpowered Kurama with all the clones & Rasengan Variants the Rasen Shurikens & The Massive Rasengan Barrage so if the Eight Tails gets hit with all of that than arguably it’ll be out for the count maybe like I said more debatable/contentious
That’s an excellent point, the nine tails should still be able to come out if Naruto’s absolutely pressed he just can’t utilize it in his favor I don’t even think he tags Naruto regardless at all or grabs him so it shouldn’t even be a problem
@@ThunderGodTG I wanna say the same thing like if he was REALLY pressed, but Jiraiya did feel it necessary to undo the seal right before he threw Naruto down an abyss that would’ve killed him to make sure he could summon Gamabunta lol
I definitely agree I don’t think it makes or breaks the fight, especially if Naruto himself didn’t notice against Kiba it’s just a good thing you pointed out
I think a large reason why Sasuke could barely stand during the Yaroi fight was because he lost a large bit of chakra from the absorption technique. I don’t think he would be as fatigued against Kiba as you’re implying. I do however agree that Kiba would be a harder opponent than Yaroi but I think Sasuke would have at least stood a chance especially given that the Naruto’s barrage that took out kiba probably was probably about as strong as the lions barrage
If Sasuke saw Naruto “die” on Naruto Bridge and his sharingan matured to three tomoe, do you think the amp would’ve been enough for him to at least hit Haku considering the statements about Sasuke’s sharingan from the Sasuke Retrieval Arc onwards?
@@jaybronx98they mentioned it but i guess they skipped it bc they assume it would be the same as when sasuke really fought orochimaru I think the orochimaru that fought Naruto does better because Sasuke killed Orochimaru when he was at his absolute weakest & not in a straight up fight, but Sasuke still wins
@@tomato2517 no it definitely wouldn’t😂 in no way is sasuke stronger than 4tails naruto. Orochimaru was shocked when he couldn’t even pierce through narutos skin with the grass sword. And sasuke admitted that if orochimaru wasn’t on his deathbed he wouldn’t have won that fight. The oro that Naruto fought was in much better condition. So no sasuke doesn’t win
Small Correction. But Naruto couldn’t access Kyuubi during the first part of the Chunnin Exams. Orochimaru messed with the Seal. Not that it matters because he would still beat Yoroi. I also don’t know why you’re using 5 Kage Summit Sasuke to fight Pein. Naruto could only beat Pein with some help, The 9 Tails almost breaking free, etc. Sasuke in the same position wouldn’t escape the Chibaku Tensai. Even using his 5 Kage Summit version his Sussano would be too underdeveloped. That same Sussano was melting by Mei’s Boil Release Acid. Plus Chakra Absorbtion is both Amaterasu and Susanno’s Kryptonite.
I disagree Sasuke loses every match Sasuke can't beat Pain, Kakuzu, Obito, 6 Paths of Jinchiruki, or Kimimaru. Plus y'all gave Sasuke all the help but left Naruto to fend for himself. Like against Bee where was Hebi? Against Danzo where is Karin? Question how does Sasuke beat the Animals from the Animal Path or Preta Path? Deva Path abilities wash Sasuke and his rods leave him incapable of fighting. Who lasts longer Susanoo or Asura Path's Full Assault? We all know Sasuke has chakra issues so I doubt he's winning. Plus must I remind you that Sasuke hasn't beat one opponent but Zetsu. He won by default; Deidara killed himself, Orochimaru still got his body, Itachi sacrificed himself, Itachi beat Kabuto, Bee beat him half to death twice. So once again this is more Sasuke Fanboy type video. Y'all think he would lose to Deidara, but totally forgot about his V2 fight vs Orochimaru? Or even the fact that he throws his Clones, and his reach is longer and greater than Sasuke Chidori Spear.
@@joshuaguevara6775 Deidara blew himself up so Sasuke didn’t really beat him tbh. Orochimaru is just an easy kill, so I wouldn’t even count that as a win. Sasuke got like two people in his kill streak.
Neji would dominate Sasuke at the Chunin exams. He got tired just matching base lee’s speed. Neji’s able to react to and beat that on a daily basis. His taijutsu is superior and he would cut down sasukes chakra points cutting him off from that. Sasuke doesn’t have control of his curse mark and it wouldn’t just jump out like Naruto’s nine tails chakra. With the Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms, he could attack multiple targets at once, either several opponents' tenketsu to restrain them at once or deflect incoming volley of projectiles. Also Neji’s Eighht Trigrams Revolving Heaven is stated by Tenten to be superior to Garra’s sand shield so it’s not certain the Chidori would pierce it . Especially considering its uses emoting chakra from all of the bodies tenketsu and the greater the force of an attack, the greater the force with which it's repelled unlike the sand wall that’s just a physical wall. Sasuke would be sent flying if he tried to chidori that.Combined with Neji’s Byakugan there’s no way that version of Sasuke gets past that.
@@IIIISai But we can scale Sasuke to lee. Sasuke was beating Garra was with his Taijutsu and his chidori.His speed was difficult for garra but Neji has beaten lee at that speed mulltiple times. Also Lee has more stamina than Sasuke who was getting tired and some taijutsu techniques like the lotus sasuke cant use. Chidori seems like it would be great but the rotation isnt solid shield like garra's sand that can be broken by force .Neji emits a large ammount of chakra from his bodyhalting the attack and with the rotation he repells it back damaging his opponent with the same force.Its a concept very similar to the basics of the rasengan except the rasengan is more compressed .Also Sasuke can only use chidori twice a day and if he uses too much force back then he can injure himself
1 still don't see kage summit Sasuke beating pain even if he does get through the 6 paths which he won't he would have to deal with konan and nagato then there's the stuff video like this never mention like part 1 Sasuke only being able to run straight with his chidori and that he does have to set up kirin with the fireballs unless your changing all the Shippuden fights to where it's already storming two y'all don't bring up how Naruto almost anytime he's about to lose starts transforming
Also y'all just don't go into pains hacks like what would Sasuke do against the giant summons or the soul stealing and shit I could possibly see him lasting till deva is replinished but i don't see him stopping all the paths and summons and shit before deva is ready to go who would then come in and if worst comes to worst seal Sasuke in the planetary devastation
@@syn9669 That makes no sense. You don't just become a perfect Junchuriki(of the nine tails mind you) by being a prodigy. You need to be like Naruto, especially with his talk no Jutsu. Also, Kakashi isn't surviving having even half of Kurama sealed inside him.
Kakashi doesn't have the suitable chakra to be the 9 tails jinchuuriki. There's a reason that the only jinchuuriki of the 9 tails are all Uzumaki members.
Naruto can win to Deidara in that time in the series, with the 4 tails amp (the one he use vs Orochimaru), with that he gain long range attacks and destructive power enough to defeat Deidara before he activate the celular bombs
Naruto is very unlikely to use kurama's chakra at this point of the story (he was not willing to use it anymore). Moreover, he was in a specific emotional context against Orochimaru which would be unlikely to be replicated here
No, Naruto was on a path of making himself stronger. He wanted to use his own strength to catch up to Sasuke. He was avoiding getting consumed by 9 tails chakra unless he ran out of his own chakra
I don’t think sasuke can take pain even with the intel and pain being tired. He would have to deal with the summons and chakra absorption and he would have to deal with them potentially twice due to the one that revives them. They have a shared vision with each other as well as the summons. Once the main pain gets his powers back if he didn’t destroy the other ones before hand it’s GG. Sasuke only beat danzo with plot let’s be real danzo had his life the moment he got that seal tag on him when he grabbed him by the throat even Karin had to help him and pain is much more of a threat then danzo.
Um no there was no plot armor in his fight with Danzo. Neither Karin or obito helped Sasuke at all with Danzo. He can use Amaterasu and susanno to take out 3 or 4 of them. He can use Kirin that pain has no defense against. Susanno can defend against most of pain’s attacks not planetary devastation or universal pull or almighty push but most of their attacks Id say
@@jasonmoukala8909 Sasuke didn't even have MS at the point of the Pain fight. He wouldn't have Amaterasu or any Susanoo abilities. They literally gave Sasuke a buff. But even with Susanoo, the Preta path is absorbing all jutsu. The Asura path could attack him with missiles. The summonings could do major damage. The crab could obscure Sasuke's vision. The rhino could crash into Sasuke's Susanoo. The bird could pick Sasuke off the ground in his Susanoo and make him a target for the dogs or the chameleon's tongue. The human path could be waiting to take out Sasuke's soul. Working together, they could definitely kill Sasuke or give enough time for the Deva path to gain his strength back.
Pain actually was able to pin down naruto and win the fight until the nine tails came through, I dont think sasuke could win due to the drawbacks of the MS. Also let’s be honest danzo lost because he’s a dumbass.
@@Black_Guy the animal path would get destroyed by Amaterasu - the other paths won’t be able to dodge sussano arrows Sasuke could use his Hawk summoning to go up and launch Kirin after killing the animal path 😂 There’s a reason why Naruto admits inferiority to 5 kage summit Sasuke
The thing you guys are forgetting is Sasuke was heavily relying on his curse during/after the Chuunin Exam. That would mean Naruto would've had to be doing something akin to during/after the Chuunin Exams as well. I mean, yes, Naruto is a one-trick pony, but if your switching mentalities, you're doing a poor job. Naruto would've had to rely HEAVILY on Kurama. Changing the dynamics drastically. And, if Naruto knew of his clan at that time(You think Oroichimaru wouldn't have told him. Think: Kabuto.), then fuinjutsu would've been something deadly as well. But what do I know?
@@90sprinceofcrime67Naruto didn’t really lose though. If you look at it in terms of fighting, Pein dominated most of the rounds but Naruto got the KO. Like Adesanya vs Pereira or Edwards vs Usman. Pereira and Edwards still won the fight even tho they were losing the entire time.
As it relates to Naruto vs danzo Frog kumite on its own should nearly one tap danzo. I'm pretty sure he'd have to use his eyes to not just die outright from taijutsu alone. And Sasuke vs pain, could pain absorb the chakra from indra's arrow? I'd imagine that would give Sasuke a hard time since he doesn't have taijutsu the same way Naruto does
Yeah there's no reason pain wouldn't be able to absorb all of Sasuke best attacks and he doesn't have the taijutsu/summons to deal with everything like naruto did. They were REALLY lazy with this one just "spams arrows gg ez" wtf.
@@wtflawlbags yeah exactly, and calling kirin the same as rasenshuriken sounds wrong too. I'm pretty sure he needs time to prepare it, and it also doesn't attack on a microscopic level the same way either. A lot of points here def felt rushed and tossed together yeah
@@justinarzola4584 it was clearly shown it was still taka Sasuke during the time. Sasuke finds out Naruto had just defeated pain in the anime and is still wearing the Akatsuki cloak doesn't have ems and refers to everyone as taka. They say they just captured bee. Either they fought him first or they happened within the exact same couple of days somehow. Either way it was still taka Sasuke at the time.
Lol, Sasuke just swings his susano and wins? Nah, Danzo fight Sasuke is Sage mode Naruto level via the narrative. Pain is equal to sage mode Naruto in combat speed and he scales above Naruto in power/hax. *Pain throws up chibaku tensei and Sasuke will be swimming with the fishes
For Naruto vs Gaara I do believe he would summon Gamabunta, but he would probably be disqualified. For Sasuke vs Kakazu I think that Sasuke won't help much, at this time he is still a lesser version of Kakashi, the team will win but I don't think it's Sasuke who will make the difference. For Sasuke vs Pain I'm really confused because you used his version who fought against Danzo and bring up the Susanoo, which he shouldn't be able to use. It would be the same version that fought Bee, which means he would loose hard, considering Pain and Bee should be relative in power.
Damn you guys are sleeping on sage Naruto so bad, his physical stats are insane he could killed danzo with a punch, sage mode doesn't have a timer, it runs out when you uses too much of the nature energy he's gathered. Sage Naturo beats Danzo mid-low diff, saskue isn't on Naturos level after he gets sage mode and that doesn't change for the rest of the series.
Bro what? Naruto didn’t completely master sage mode till war arc. His sage mode has a limit of 5 minutes and no one punch isn’t beating Danzo. Not to mention Danzo has 10 minutes on invincibility with izanagi. Yeah ms Sasuke is definitely on sage mode naruto level. Naruto will win against Danzo but its definitely high diff
@@jasonmoukala8909 there is nothing to indicate Naruto's skill the sage mode increased at all, he was a perfect sage the moment he rolled up on Pain, any precieved increase to it was just Kurama not being petty and Naruto getting stronger in base and Wrong sage Naturo can kill Danzo with a single punch, he killed the Preta path with a punch that didn't even land directly. Once Naruto becomes a sage he's the stronger person in the leaf by a mile, full stop.
@@nicholascole9673 sage naruto isn’t stronger than gai at that time. Danzo has hashirama cells booting his physical energy so one punch isn’t beating him
@@jasonmoukala8909 Gai is weaker than sage Naruto unless he kills himself and he definitely isn't at that point in the series before everyone gets arbitrary war time buffs. Gai is definitely a more skilled hand to hand fighter but he doesn't demonstrate the kind of physical power sage Naruto does until he goes full 8 gates. Sage Naruto hurls a giant rhino into the air like it ain't shit.
Neji getting shit on once again. Sasuke is not just fighting a ninja who regularly beats unweighted Lee he’s fighting a master Byakugan user… not to mention since Sasuke is not a jinchuriki wtf would he do if his chakra points were hit? Naruto won because he was a jinchuriki or he would literally be dead.
Chunin exam Neji stomps Sasuke mid diff, wtf? lol At that point of the story, Neji was one ninja who was clearly far ahead of his peers. The only reason Naruto won was because of plot or else Naruto would’ve lost mid diff. Sasuke at that point would lose any engagement if they fought up close regardless of his new Taijutsu buff & Chidori.
and how come Sasuke gets Susano’o versus Pain when at that point Sasuke only had Amaterasu up until later? Either way, I feel like Pain is getting downplayed because the paths aren’t fodder and they all attack at once. I’m sure they can buy time until Deva is restored.
Sasuke is not beating pain. Sasuke doesn't really have any summons to help him and he just lose. His long range attacks will be absorbed and pain has multiple summons to deal with his defense.
Only one pain body can absorb so he can just use Amaterasu on the ones that can’t defend or doge it which like 3 or 4 of them. His susanno can definitely take out like one or 2 of them
@@jasonmoukala8909 yeah but Sasuke also on a time limit before he goes blind he don't have shadow clones to stall for him to regain his vision like Naruto did to get his sage mode back Sasuke just flat out lose.
Spreading Amaterasu around and susano arrows are options for summons. Gotta remember sasuke would have intel, so he might just decide to kill the animal path instead of even going after the summons
@@ThunderGodTG if you’re saying sasuke vs the jugan kakuzu his chakra is stated stronger meaning he’d be above his base state and I’m one of the ppl who think kakuzu scales to KCM1 Naruto in speed so I think he’d simply speed blitz and one shot due to his scaling to the 2 tails
I’ve never been one for the crazy Kakazu scaling so that’s just me personally, I don’t think the Yugito that fights Naruto is the same as the one that fought Kakazu, but that’s just me
@@sbthesage2100 lmaoo what ? Kakazu is a fast as kcm naruto who speed blitz the raikage ? Hell to the nah. Kakashi was able to get behind kakazu and raikai one of his hearts without him noticing. Hes foddler and is like the 7th or 6th strongest in the akatsuki out of 9 members
Part 1: Naruto vs. Yoroi - Naruto Sasuke vs. Kiba - Kiba (I agree) Naruto vs. Gaara (chunin exams final) - Gaara Sasuke vs. Neji (chunin exams final) - Sasuke Sasuke vs. Gaara (Konoha Crush) - Gaara considering he was gonna go use the Playing Possum Sasuke vs. Kabuto (Sannin showdown) - Kabuto would win Naruto vs. Sound Four - If it's start of the arc then the Sound 4 but if it's 1 tail Naruto then yeah he probably wipes the floor with them Sasuke vs. Kimimaro - wasn't Sasuke in a box? Kimimaro wins but Final Valley Sasuke probably pushes him to CM2 like Gaara could on his own Shippuden: Sasuke vs Kakazu - Sasuke wins probably in CM2 even without kirin Naruto vs Deidara - 4 tails Naruto would destroy Deidara, 3 tails probably could too. Rasenshuriken Naruto has the power but loses due to styles matchup Naruto vs. Bee - This Naruto doesn't know Sage Mode yet so he'd for sure lose. Even with Sage Mode would lose once Bee uses Gyuki (if you think Bee in war arc is same level in this arc. Even then, Bee should be stronger) even if Naruto goes 6 tails. V2 Bee may win also Sasuke vs Pain - Pain would win if he gains his power back. Sage Naruto > MS Sasuke that fought Killer Bee. Kage Summit performs better than Sage Naruto but still loses too Deva Path if Nagato hasn't regained his power Naruto vs. Danzo - Danzo loses in a more drawn out fight but other than his summon, nothing is close to damaging Naruto EMS Sasuke vs. Rinnegan Obito - Well if you think Sasuke gets stronger in the war over time then he probably loses but if you think Sasuke was just holding back until him & Naruto unleash their full power vs. Juubito (in this fight he's ~ Bijuu Sage Naruto) then I'll take Sasuke. Then again, Obito reviving the Juubi would be a win con and regardless the juubi would be revived. Given y'all win condition, EMS Sasuke can easily get rid of the jinchuriki if he's given knowledge that the rods are how they have their bijuu powers KCM1 Naruto vs. Sage Kabuto - Yeah this fight doesn't matter honestly cause the main outcome is Itachi wins against Sage Kabuto. If this was a 1v1, would be pretty intriguing at least until initial KCM2 comes out which is reaching Minato, Tobirama levels Post War & Boruto: Sasuke vs. Toneri - Stated Sasuke is the strongest member of team 7 during the Last so yeah Naruto vs. Kinshiki - Naruto wins but if Momoshiki helps out he'd be at a disadvantage like Sasuke stated Sasuke vs. Delta - Probably defeats her much easier than Naruto given his abilities & hax
I agree with most of your analysis except for Naruto against sound 4, as even with the one tail cloak, Naruto has no answer at all against tayuya's genjutsu and severly lacks analytical skills to find solutions against their respective abilities.
@@sundnido8517 I don’t think you need analytical skills to speed blitz them and overpower them especially since 1 tail cloak doesn’t move conventionally
I disagree with y’all take on FKS MS Sasuke vs Pain tbh y’all didn’t really mention anything from the Paths of Pain at all y’all forgetting abt the Summonings & how they can also stall for the Tendo’s Pain abilities to come back also the Path of Pain with the super durable mechanical body that can tank a lot of damage & the path of pain that can revive the others also the Path of Pain that can absorb chakra can pretty much absorb everything FKS MS Sasuke can do at this point his Chidori, his all his Fire, Lightning & Inferno Style Jutsu, his Susanoo Arrows hell even the Susanoo itself can prolly get absorbed since its a Chakra Avatar from the MS & if they do stall long enough for the Tendo Path of Pain to come back it’s a instant GG Almighty Push & Planetary Devastation is going to neg this version of Sasuke with Low Diff tbh
Definitely pain for one. Sasuke has no answer to chibaku tensei. And assuming he somehow does, he has no way to locate and defeat nagato which is absolutely a win condition. Also since you give Sasuke all of Naruto's allies during his fight then Naruto should get Taka during his fight with bee making that an easy W. Naruto's sage barrage and rasenshuriken were enough to put down kurama (with aid from Kushina) so it would work on the eight tails too. That alone makes the score 4/4 for both of them.
Also Naruto vs Gaara felt like a weird argument. If the win condition is the same as the original scenario then Naruto just has to make Gaara start to transform which he could easily do since he.... beat transformed Gaara...
That one I was really surprised people and issues with since Naruto’s only chance is with Kurama when he even talks about fearing Gaara with the idea he can use the Nine Tails chakra in mind, for the Sasuke one we kept defeating Pain as the win con not locating Nagato, for the Bee one that’s actually fair we actually put that one in last minute and didn’t think about that which is our bad but, I actually don’t think changes the matchup since Suigetsu and Jugo got slammed by Base Bee with Karin only really being able to locate bee, maybe useful for Naruto to have clones, but it doesn’t change the fact that SM Naruto and Taka can’t handle full 8 tails.
@@ThunderGodTG Yeah that's a fair argument. I guess it comes to personal opinion at that point because I do still think Naruto could access the nine tails and win but I can see your side. For Sasuke I still don't see him surviving Chibaku Tensei, but with Nagato out of the picture he does have a better chance. But for Bee I do still think that if Suigetsu can stall Eight Tails like he did for Sasuke, then naruto could slam him with a rasenshuriken. Which, at the very least, would be enough to force Bee to tentacle clone out of there.
Exactly. Sasuke got tired just matching base Lee speed that Neji beats daily. Chidori and fire ball jutsu are useless because of rotation which was confirmed to be superior to the sand wall. It not only defends but uses chakra to reflect
@@spit-fire it’s not just ten ten, it’s also stated in the first databook to be on par with the sand as a defense. Kishimoto was clearly using ten ten as a narrator at that point to explain something in-universe.
It is worth noting that Hebi Sasuke was ridiculously powerful during the Kakuzu fight. It's implied throughout this point in the series that Sasuke is above a good deal of the members. I think Sasuke would literally just take the Kakuzu fight solo.
Should've added a few fights: Sasuke vs inner kurama when Naruto unlocked kcm1 Sasuke and B vs edo nagato and itachi Naruto vs lee before the chunin exams Naruto vs Sakura when she tries to stop Sasuke from leaving (lmao, useless girl) And the one I'm really curious what y'all think: Sasuke and Sakura vs kakashi in the second bell test
Two Things: The Sasuke that fights fatigued Pain is Danzo fight Sasuke with the same intel Naruto has and for everyone saying Kurama would snap Naruto out of Genjutsu, he would not as they’re not cool at this point in time and Kurama has not done it even against Itachi’s 30% clone knowing the Akatsuki want to extract him from Naruto. Same thing with the Genjutsu in the Konoha Crush, so Naruto does not have Genjutsu resistance until he and Kurama are cool AKA Late War Arc, ALSO no Itachi vs Naruto since Itachi demolishes SM Naruto
Could you do a what if guy and Kakashi swapped fights? Great video by the way this was very interesting
Why not use the Sasuke that fights Killer Bee? That’s closer to the sage Naruto that fought Pain
@@dco7710 short answer is thats when they are best matched up narratively and also killer bee fight sasuke was still weakened because he lost Orochimaru, was still recovering from itachi, and couldnt use his Mangekyou good at all.
Sasuke would get fondled by the 7 Paths of Pain LMAO
Finaly someon aknowadge that sasuke woud beat pain in the same place as naruto also i dont think that naruto will do as well in the 5 kage summit i see him loseing to the raikage
Sasuke is not talking down pain.
Right. They didn't even mention how he would deal with the Deva path other than quickly.
This is at odds with the fact that nearly every fight, Sasuke has help pf some kind
Fr wtf, Chibaku and animal path steamroll
Its ez win for sasuke what do you mean
They're talking the version of Sasuke that fought Danzo. For some reason. Any earlier than that, then yeah 100% stomped.
@FriezaTheMonkey I think I ageee
I think a normal rasengan would be enough to kill Danzo a few times. Especially Sage mode enhanced rasengans.
A few shuriken were, a rasengan would be overkill
Ikr, and he should be able to use a lot of it in sage mode.
"I think a normal kunai would be enough to kill Sasuke. Especially Sasuke with susanoo armor."
- Danzo
@@spicydiarrhea5662 he kept using a kunai because kunais are objects and Susano’o is a high chakra expenditure to maintain the defence for an attack which clearly takes much less effort
@@Ryanator1107 I think he was using a kunai because he was a bit of an idiot
It was *very* brave of you to say to an audience that Sasuke loses to Kiba. You have my respect, soldier.
People are coming at me for that, when the version of Sasuke that would be fighting Kiba would be exhausted in his base with no ability to use the Sharingan while Kiba can use a 2x Chakra Pill, people are talking crazy
@@ThunderGodTG and even then, Naruto only turnt the tables and won because of a stinking (literally) fart.
@@pandaman9490 Kiba only had a chance because of the 5 prone seal
@@HC-gm4fo that’s true too
@@ThunderGodTG the only one that is talking crazy is you. As much as I would love to say Sasuke takes an L vs Kiba it’s a huge joke.
Yoroi is easily Chunin level in fighting capability yet Sasuke was able to beat him.
Kiba on the other hand is not on the same level as Yoroi and even with the chakra pill the fight drags on with Naruto. Sasuke has superior taijutsu and is more agile than Naruto, Kiba loses easily.
Nah Sasuke isn't getting out of chibaku tensei and yall basically skipped over the hurdles that Sasuke can't deal with. He's just gonna sit back and shoot arrows? At Pain?
Couldn't disagree more with this.
You ain’t listen to the video dog, he’s fighting fatigued pain minus the Deva path who was out for over 4 chapters. If I meant FP pain I would have said that which I did not. Naruto had so many factors aiding him against Pain. If pain was FP against Naruto he would have wiped as well but, that’s not the discussion
@@ThunderGodTG so why you nerf Naruto and buff his opponents while nerf nerf Sasuke opponents. Come on you have to make it realistic you can't take away shadow clone that's Naruto main jutsu that's like Taking away Sasuke fire ball jutsu. It's not fair and I can see the bias towards sasuke
@@aceturtle953 I think they did fine with the video. Narutos opponents for a while were genuinely nerfed. Kakuzu being fatigued fighting Shikamaru, Choji, Ino, and Kakashi before Naruto and Yamato showed up. Narutos only mission at that point was to land the finishing blow. Naruo vs pain you have Pain after fighting the village and using a huge Shinra Tensei to destroy the village which forced him to recharge for a long time. During this time Naruto is being given full information on all of pains abilities. I might have missed something but where did you feel Naruto was being nerfed and/or Sasuke being given an easier time than Naruto's actual fights?
They addressed it in the video. They said that with Sasuke spamming his kill moves at the beginning of the fight (which is in character for Sasuke at that point), the deva path wouldn't have had enough time to recharge (meaning chibaku tensei isnt ready to be use yet) because the other paths can't actually stall Sasuke that long. If they manage to do so then yes Pain wins but you'd have to make an argument as to how they stall him that long. The paths didn't show anything capable of stopping Amaterasu and Susanoo Arrows. Videos like these are tricky because as the fight progresses some conditions of the fight change simply by putting Sasuke or Naruto in the other persons position. This being because they will have different weaponry and different strategies. This could lead to fights lasting longer or ending quicker which in this situation actually has a huge affect on the outcome.
@@aceturtle953 There's no bias whatsoever, they literally had Kiba win over Sasuke, what more do you want?
Most underrated video idea of all time
Facts nobody has ever even done this and it’s perfect
this is a very creative idea for a video
And underrated comment 😂
Facts, I love seeing new ideas in the Naruto UA-cam fandom
No honestly yeah
Kirin is the perfect jutsu for Sasuke to use on Kakuzu as earth style is weak to lightning style and his masks are made from earth style as well as his jutsu that hardens his skin which is his main source of RAW DURABILITY. This also means things like Sasuke's Chidori variants would also be useful considering how easily Kakashi's lighting blade pierced Kakuzu.
RAW DURABILITY
Don't forgets Kakuzu's Masked Beasts having Wind and Lightning abilities. These attacks could cancel Sasuke's attacks
@@kingdommccoy Sasuke still winning. Kirin is basically a one shot
The masks aren’t a earth jutsu despite being called Earth Grudge Fear, it isn’t really a earth jutsu. He has an EARTH mask however and Kirin would destroy that, but the other masks has varied resistance to elemental chakra. So that’s a terrible thing to say Kirin is good against Kakuzu. But a chidori is effective to pierce the hearts.
@@NoobSebot Kirin would nuke him, if it can make ITACHI shit himself then yeah, Kakazu probably dying to it in one hit
How can you say Sasuke has an easy time with Pain, one path can literally drink up all of his attacks. Those arrows are chakra still, the animal path can attack and swarm him and the one that could absorb chakra could sneak up and just absorb the susano and it would be out of the fight from that like when he did that to naruto
Shouldn’t he be talking about taka sasukes vs pain because Naruto vs pain was close to sasukes vs itachi and sasukes didn’t have both ms yet, bc he just fought bee (got stomped)
@@King-dt2qwexactly! That’s the one part of the video where I felt like they gave Sasuke a win by using the wrong version
@@ajmcgee5768 even EMS sasuke can't beat pain . Pain is his perfect counter only Rinnegan Sauke can beat pain
This isn’t about sasuke vs pain it’s about sasuke being in Naruto’s place during the pain invasion he would have intel on all 6 of them. The deva path wouldn’t be able to do anything at the start of the fight cause his abilities don’t come back until the end so all sasuke has to do is turn his susanoo on and light 5/6 of them with Amaterasu and then 1v1 the path that absorbs. Sasuke got the ms right after his fight with itachi that was before pain battle he would no diff if he was in Naruto’s position
@@hollowpointz2590 so yuh the other paths would just let Sasuke fight 1v1 with Ashura path -_-
sasuke losing to kiba sounds so tough
I never thought about how lucky that match up was for sasuke
I can't believe that pain is being reduced to fodder for Sasuke in the pain arc. Naruto was only able to defeat the pains because he was able to isolate them. Sasuke would lose here because the animal summons can occupy Sasuke's Susanoo and then the other summons can absorb his Susanoo and Sasuke's soul would be pulled out of his body
What’s crazier is that sasuke shouldn’t even have susanoo in this fight😂 they gave him his kage summit version to go up against pain when it really should’ve been the one that fought bee since taka vs bee and naruto vs pain happened around the same time.
It's literally for the sake of making the video more entertaining and on the basis its my video
@@ThunderGodTG I don’t believe it’s “more entertaining” to be less accurate. In fact I think it’s just as entertaining to have as many facts as possible when talking about hypotheticals. Especially when most of the video you really tried to consider each scenario except when Sasuke fought the paths of pain.
@@ThunderGodTG massive cope
@@ThunderGodTG Entertaining? Maybe. But it makes literally 0 sense, if Sasuke vs Itachi never happened he would've never been able to awaken his M.S during that time frame. 3 Tomoe Sharingan Sasuke would get trampled all over by the Summonings alone. Only reason Naruto was able to subdue them was because of his inhuman strength he gained from S.M and having the three toads by his side.
Yeah sorry but Sasuke with 6 kage summit susanoo isn’t beating Pain. Your forgetting when he first fought Danzo his Susanodidn’t have any arrows and only evolved part way through the battle after his hatred of Danzo and memories of his brother awakened it to that level. Against Pain that wouldn’t happen and even if it did it wouldn’t be at the start of the fight a huge limitation.His susanoo isn’t fast enough without the arrows as the only time it hit Danzo was when he didn’t know it existed and it grabbed him or when he was testing its defense and offense . We saw Danzo dodge Susanoo’s attacks when he felt like it pretty well. He was breathing heavily from using Susanoo and Amaterasu at the same time and was so exhausted he had to stop using Susanoo for part of the fight. All the paths can see though each others eyes and Pain is known to sacrifice less important Pains against other ones and they fight in Synch.Your also underestimating the Paths. The Asura path has a multitude or ranged missles and chakra blast and mechanical weapons . Also it’s physical strength is insane as it crushed Jiraiya’s throat and was able to throw the Animal path all the way into the village from the outskirts . I’d say that’s enough to get past the lowest susanoo rib cage. And his upgraded Susanoo isn’t as durable as you think . Danzo was able to break through with his multi vaccum blast.And using its arms Nagato was able to easily physically restrain killer Bee. The animal path has its summons from the invisible chameleon to the dog or the bird. I don’t see how Sasuke would sense the Chameleon and the best way for Sasuke to put down the dog is with his Atemarasu and at that point he doesn’t have enough control to use that much. The preta path can absorb chakra and besides Kiren I don’t see anything else in Sasukes arsenal to beat it as Naruto beat it by making it absorb too much of his sage mode chakra something Sasuke can’t do. And the Nakara path can revive the other pains easily.
also took Naruto sage mode, 8 tails of the kyubi and Minato interfering to beat the deva path
Wouldn't Pain just absorb the majority of Sasuke's ninjutsu until the Deva path recovers? The only reason he couldn't keep doing that to Naruto was because of Sage chakra which Sasuke doesn't have.
Ik the comparison of pain was trash sasuke woulda been rolled and has no way out of planetary devastation imo
Apparently those abilities can just be avoided by susanoo or don't exist in this comparison.
They definitely downplayed Pain and pretended like Deva path didn't get stronger with each Path defeated.
Sasuke definitely going blind this fight and dying or getting his chakra stolen and dying
@@YoMrRice also why does everyone forgets susanoo is made of chakra pain could just absorb it
@@YoMrRice not to mention they used the wrong sasuke. They should’ve used the sasuke that fought bee bc that was around the same time naruto fought pain. Instead they gave him his stronger version in the kage summit to give him the W
true.. they shouldn't even have used that version of sasuke cuz that time.. he still dont know how to use susanoo
If waiting for Lee/Gaara is the win condition against Kimimaro for Sasuke I think Naruto lasting as long as Sasuke did against the Sound 4 should give him the W as well
Other than that solid analysis
Tayuya genjutsu gg Naruto.
Tayuya genjutsu gg Naruto.
Didn't Sasuke loose to the sound 4?
It's a different scenarios where lasting against kimimaro is a win because backups are coming unlike fighting the sound 4
@@Unknownuser2. Naruto has a key advantage. The sound 4 are in the Leaf, Naruto is generally a louder shinobi than Sasuke. The odds of no one in the leaf showing up to help Naruto is literal 0 if logic is applied.
I enjoyed the video thanks for posting guys.
I don't really understand the pain vs sasuke point's, i think some things were unclear or problematic.
- Does sasuke start the fight with 3 giant toads and also ma and pa? They get forgotten about but during the fight they were essential for naruto lasting as long as he did against the pains at the start, they gave him breathing room, mobility and extra attack power.
-Is pain trying to kill or capture sasuke, dont think we have ever seen the paths of pain all attempt to kill someone at once like this.
-Does pain lose the asura path at the start of the fight like he did against naruto when it tried to kill tsunade.
-Why would all of the summons be a non issue for susano, danzos summon actually caused him trouble and it's only ability is a vacuum attack. Pain has immortal dogs, a flying summon, an invisible chameleon, rhino, panda, etc. How much chakra would sasuke waste dealing with them while also dealing with the pains and does it exploit his susanoo's mobility issues at this point in the story?
- Pain fights in a formation to work out a fighters abilities and weaknesses, i would imagine a susanoo arrow could work to start with but would it work again with the preta path who is purposefully further back in formation so unlikely to be taken out first?
- Comparing danzo to a single path is strange/misleading as they are not fighting sasuke individually here.
- naruto had the advantage of using clones to gather nature energy to add to his chakra pool and keep himself in the fight several times, catching pain off guard a few of those times, sasuke wont be able to set up a prep like this before the battle.
-What happens if deva path does recover in time against sasuke, does he win then?
Keep up the content 👌
Yeah i thought it was especially disappointing that they didn’t take into account the summons. I think that changes the outcome of this battle a lot
He could just amatarasu the summons very easily.
@JoeShadows1 He could i agree. But then how much chakra does he waste and how much damage to his eyesight does it cause?
What are the other paths doing while he is fighting the summons and does it change the fight, in the video they are completely disregarded which is pretty silly when they are one of pains go to tactics to distract and attack opponents.
If the summons are likely to give pain enough time to recharge the deva path then that's something to take into account.
@@bigrob8517 which of the paths can deal with susanoo besides full power deva?
@@JoeShadows1 I think sasuke at this point in the story is being overestimated with how much he can use Susano and amaterasu. If we look back at sasuke during the kage summit he changes drastically, if you take him from the start against the raikage then his susano is nowhere near as dangerous or protective and he gets destroyed very early into this scenario. If you use sasuke that's about to fight danzo then he doesn't have the upgraded susano with arrows yet and his eyes are already starting to have issues, if you take sasuke at the end of the fight with danzo then he is pretty much blind.
I think the fairest would be sasuke at the point he was about to fight danzo as you cant just take a sasuke thats got his most powerful form unlocked during a fight when he didn't have it at the start, would be like goku having supersaiyan to start with against frieza, its a different scenario. Tobi comments early on into sasuke vs danzo that he is going to tire himself out after he has used both susano and amaterasu once, his eyes bleed badly and his susano dissipates making him have to dodge danzos follow up attack. This is all in chapter 477 if you wanna check it out. How does that scenario play out against pain compared to danzo?
His susano does evolve during the fight ofcourse which I imagine would happen against pain but it's still not a complete form, its completely grounded and again this all adds up time leading to the deva path coming back into play.
In terms of attack power its difficult to argue against you that pain could easily break susano without the deva. We dont see pain try and take down something like that under these conditions. If he has the asura path that definitely has effective attack power. Could the susano be absorbed by the preta path as its been stated to absorb any form of chakra, even if it could make an opening and forced susano into the issue it had against danzos summon.
Also all the damage susano takes has a big toll on sasuke and his chakra, it isnt like a separate being that operates on its own.
To be honest I think danzo gets downplayed quite a bit in the fight against sasuke, mostly as people think him spamming izanagimeant he was weak. He purposefully holds back out of concern that tobi will enter the fight, karin helps sasuke analyse izanagi, both sasuke and danzo go down from the sword stab but sasuke has karin for healing, when danzo could use shisui genjutsu on sasuke at the end he doesn't because of tobi and finally sasuke only just avoids danzos final suicidal attack when tobi gave him warning as he knew exactly what it was.
Maybe danzo vs pain would be a better battle.
No way Sasuke beats pain man, no way at all.
Depends
Sasuke, at the time when Naruto achieved Sage mode, ain’t beating Pain
You only speaking facts my boi
Sasuke beats pain and SM naruto 🤣 MS is wayyyyyyyyy stronger then SM ez
Do you have any real arguments? Pain was very weakened at the time and MS one-shot techs are perfect for taking them out, as they explain in the vid.
bruh i swear horizons and thundergod have the best ideas in the community instead of just carbon copy vs battles. easily deserve 10x the following than what they have now.
Thank you bruv
Nah my guys, Neji is confirmed to style on Lee, who saskue was nearly as fast as when he was out pacing gaara, small Kyuubi amp Naruto had Neji on the back foot.
Kyuubi amp Naruto is more comparable to 4th gate Lee than he is to weightless lee except Kyuubi amp Naruto heals instead of tearing his own body apart, Neji was only able to clash with Naruto at the end because Rotation by it's very nature turns the attackers strength against them.
Once Naruto dips into Kurama's power Gaara can't win, the Nine tales is just too powerful compared to the one tail (and Kurama is too proud to let shukaku beat him).
Also unpopular opinion, Neji beats saskue in the chunin exams.
Edit: Preta path solos saskue, he doesn't have any tools to deal with it.
preta path turns sasuke into sauce gay
Sage Mode Naruto takes pre-EMS Sasuke to TGI Friday’s so damn hard it’s not even funny
i mean we saw naruto vs gaara about 10 mins after narutos fight with neji... and he won
Early Weighted Base Lee was different from weightless CE Lee
Sasuke’s arrows would do the same thing jiraiya’s frogs did and would make that dog summon just split and multiple all over the place. Itachi block Kirin with his yata mirror and Sasuke doesn’t have that level of defense, so rhino summon, missiles and more all at once deva path waiting it’s still a lot
Sasuke didn’t have the Susa no at the time Naruto fight pain Sasuke got the Susa no at the five Kage summit therefore pain is stopping him out
They're talking the version of Sasuke that fought Danzo. For some reason. Any earlier than that, then yeah 100% stomped.
@@Dilmahkana That’s how they did with Sasuke Vs Kimimaru. He wouldn’t have stalled if he didn’t get the 2nd stage curse mark.
Because the one that fought Danzo is compared to SM Naruto (based on Naruto’s own words)
Sasuke had susanoo once he used both his ms abilities which was during the killer bee fight we just didn’t see him use his susanoo until the 5 kage summit. Since the pain fight happened after the killer bee fight that would mean sasuke has susanoo. It makes sense.
@@hollowpointz2590 sasuke vs bee and sasuke vs kage summit are 2 completely different sasukes. It should’ve been the one that fought bee that went up against pain in this video but they gave him his stronger version.
Also, Kirin absolutely obliterates Kakuzu and all his hearts, the thing flattened V2/3 Susano'o and left Itachi laying on the floor.
Itachi was acting and he was fatigued
@@Rck-vert itachi wasnt acting with kirin, itachi actually had to protect himself with susanoo... while i dont believe he fully activated the susanoo because the armored susanoo definitely wouldnt have broke vs just kirin, sasuke at the very least destroyed either the ribcage or skeletal susanoo along with the entire uchiha hideout in one move.
@@OldFolkz that’s all facts but still itachi was literally blind atp in the fight and literal seconds away from death he was basically a walking corpse when the fight started but he was actually a walking corpse once kirin popped out. I definitely feel like itachi wouldn’t have even flinched at that move if he was a little more healthy or at least not basically dead already. He’s no madara but compared to 90% of the ninja world he was in madara & obitos tier of absolute Ls to everyone they fight. Leaving out the boruto generation and all the adult versions of the naruto cast you could count on one hand the list of characters without alien amps that could genuinely mop itachi
@@Rck-vert That doesn't mean anything, Susano'o is Susano'o
@@OldFolkz Itachi deactivated susanoo to trick Sasuke, he used yata mirror as he states which means the parts of kirin that would hit him was actually deflected
Just a quick thing to mention Naruto wouldn't be able to use Kyuubi chakra against Yoroi because Orochimaru put a 5 Prong seal on him during the forest of death which prevented him from using any of the kyuubi chakra until Jiraiya removed it during their training for the finals
Not completely, it was just disturbing chakra control. Even his own.
Against kimimaro sasuke wouldn’t have 3 tomoe sharingan, he just awakened it in end valley fight
Neither would Naruto have 1 tailed cloak against Sound 4, so it evens out.
@@marko1263 They compared 3 tomoe Sasuke being able to track Kyuubi amp Naruto(he didn't have one tail yet).
@@marko1263 wrong, Naruto already had that power so he could have yes, sasuke only had 2 tomoe, he didn’t have that power awakened but Naruto already had Kurama chakra awakened, it was against sasuke that he used one tailed cloack just because of the script, but Naruto already had that power so we could count it there but sasuke no.
@@marko1263 They literally only go with versions of Sasuke who take place after certain fights and say Naruto’s feats are outliers.
Glad I found your channel. You were way too funny on the swag tier list
I loved the Black Air force + Alpha energy vídeo
I liked the drip tier list as well
I don't think Amateratsu can combat a tailed beast in its full form. We've seen the Ten Tails remove the part that was on fire, the Nine Tails Chakra Mode can survive it evident from the Final Battle, and the Eight Tails survived it too. The only reason Killer Bee lost is because he allowed it and went on a secret vacation.
The Ten Tails is the actual only exception Bee only got away due to his tail being cut off, the 8 tails remarks how he took time to recover for the incident since his entire body was charred
You have the biggest brain for this video idea bro, I was so hype when I saw the title
S class video. Even the thumbnail is fire.
Hey you forgot to cover the Sasuke v Naruto fight, now I'll never know how that would have played out.
😂 haha dumb ass lol ,it's definitely a secret
obviously a joke, but think about when their roles would be actually reversed. Naruto being power hungry because of a desire to take revenge, leaving Konoha to be taught by evil version of jiraya. Jiraya placing a seal on him, granting Naruto access to a lesser version of sage mode (just like the curse seal on sasuke basically does) and Naruto not being opposed to the idea of letting Kurama take him over once in a while. Meanwhile Sasuke promised Sakura to get Naruto back because Sakura has a crush on Naruto, so he starts training under hermit orochimaru or maybe even hermit itachi xD Would be an interesting alternate version of the story lol
@@Yul_B_Awright it was pretty obvious (to me atleast) that naruto was keeping up while holding back, guy would have curb stomped sauske if he was out for blood
Naruto Vs Gaara - We can’t use his feat from the forest because it doesn’t make sense.
Sasuke Vs Neji - Exclusively uses feats of Sasuke in the forest.
That's taking it out of contect, Naruto's forest feats are a result of him having a CRAZY Mental Amp to protect Squad 7, Sasuke has none of that so his feats stand as consistent and not an outlier
@@ThunderGodTG He literally uses the curse mark in the forest, something he wouldn’t have been able to in the chunin exams due to Anko, Kakashi, or the Third stepping in. It was a rule in the round before and to think that the rule wouldn’t still apply would be absurd from Sasuke’s POV even if it didn’t apply.
The Curse Mark was only active after the Final Chidori was launched, there would be no way for the group to stop it, with the curse mark not even being the primary argument
@@vibezonegaming why did you use susanoo sasuke against pain?
I rewatched the video and I still dont see the unfairness that people are mentioning. They did the same thing with Naruto in Sasukes fights that they did with Sasuke in Naruto's. Naruto wasn't made fatigue for Sasukes fight against Yoroi. Sasuke was stated to not have fully healed from itachis fight before fighting Killer B and he had just lost his curse mark but they put a fresh Naruto in these fights. I think the point of the video was if say Naruto or Sasuke just happened to fight each others villains at that point in the story, how would they fair. So while Sasuke may have been fatigued against Yoroi, they put fresh Naruto in there because they treated it like if the chunin exams chose differently. Thats why Sasuke was still fatigued when they put him up against Kiba. I honestly think the video was really well done! Keep up the amazing content!
Bro thank you, people aren’t understanding that at these points in the stories the villains aren’t necessarily at FP either it’s blowing my mind. I appreciate you catching that
@@ThunderGodTG No Problem, I swear you made it as clear as possible lol
Got 2 beefs with it lol wouldn’t the sasuke going against pain based on time line be the one who fought Itachi so he gets folded lol , and then my second thing was if your giving sasuke curse mark why doesn’t Naruto get V2 cloak against Explosion man because Deidera is not tanking the tail beast bomb that was fired at Orochimaru
It’s more so that at that point in the series Naruto was desperate to not rely on the Nine Tails so it didn’t seem right, but v1-3 still lose imo, also any other Sasuke gets realistically wiped by pain with the 5KS being the narrative counterpart to SM even though his boss fight happened earlier
sasuke before the truth, was super tactical, imagine if that Sasuke had ms
@@ThunderGodTG you skipped a few fights where sasuke would lose. 4tails vs orochimaru and sasuke (that fought bee) vs pain.
Taka sasuke vs pain does not win stamina and blindness are factors especially since he has no karin or jugo
I should have specified, Danzo fight Sasuke I’ll make a post
All good loved the vid now tht ik
Obito would just absorb the amaterasu on the tailed beasts with the rinnegan lol.
I had to subscribe for this, simply for the fact that inspired Seth‘s video. Keep up the great work!😀
Thank you bruv
So this is the video Seth ripped off 😅
Wtf this got recommend to me I always wanted to know too THANKS UA-cam
No, you can't be saying that Sasuke would have a shot at Pain in that time, there's no way
You don’t think it’s feasible for Danzo fight Sasuke to High Diff fatigued Pain with no Deva path and complete intel?
@@ThunderGodTG fatigued Pain was still able to trap 6 tails Kurama and almost for a while 8 tails kurama, if it wasn't for the "emotional amp" and Kurama's power Naruto would be buried deeper than Queen Elizabeth
@@ThunderGodTG Sasuke isn't that much stronger than Naruto, most of their fights the other one wouldn't be able to win because of pure context, Naruto probably wouldn't be able to kill Danzo because his sage mode would expire and Sasuke wouldn't be able to win against Pain, Sasuke barely won against Danzo he needed help from Karin imagine what Pain would do to him
@@nananakeson that sasuke fought raikage, darui, cee, gaara, temari, kankuro, choji, mei, mifune and still killed danzo do you REALLY think sasuke is not that much stronger then SM naruto who was fighting 5 paths weakend keep in mind sasuke stomps he is way smarter more versityle and stronger at that time
@@nanyohristov4818 All of those fights he was saved by the plot like a hundred times, in the kage summit he was supposed to die like a 100 times if it wasn't for Tobi/Karin, the point is not that Sasuke isn't strong or stronger than Naruto the point is that he isn't as strong as Pain
you mightve started a bunch of videos like this from other anime and i appluad it, cause this idea is so dope. good shit man!
I don’t see why Naruto wouldn’t win against Gaara in the Chunin Exams. Yeah Naruto was scared but because of his goal and rivalry with Sasuke I highly doubt he would forfeit and that would cause him to feel like it’s life or death. Also look at how Naruto fought Sasuke in the valley of the end. If his life is in danger I really don’t see why he wouldn’t go into One Tailed Stage. He just wouldn’t have the Rasengan. He had those amps because part of him felt like it was life or death in the forest against Gaara, I feel he would still get those plot amps
Lol Naruto literally beat Gaara immediately after the fight with Sasuke so of course he would've beat Gaara the same way.
Yo this is a great idea 4 video
Thank you bro ✊🏻
No Sasuke vs the Nine tails in the waterfall of truth!? I was looking forward to that one lol
I was going to put that but, honestly it’s such a weird fight that’s hard to properly use. Sasuke either Amaterasu wins or just gets blatantly overwhelmed
@@ThunderGodTG tbh I feel like Sasuke folds Kurama with genjutsu alone. Obito had him under complete control at 14. not to mention a much weaker Sasuke suppressed Kurama inside Naruto’s conscious with basic Sharingan genjutsu
@@Musclingus yes and MS users are said to be able to control kurama... besides people seems to forget Naruto actually body was sitting still in that fight which was why he was able to constantly absorb sage chakra. It's was literally infinite sage mode Naruto vs kurama because I always see people giving those feats to regular sage Naruto
@@ThunderGodTG yes and MS users are said to be able to control kurama... besides people seems to forget Naruto actually body was sitting still in that fight which was why he was able to constantly absorb sage chakra. It's was literally infinite sage mode Naruto vs kurama because I always see people giving those feats to regular sage Naruto .
Most creative yet simple video idea of all time. Brilliant 👏🏽👏🏽🔥
I’d say Sage Naruto vs Killer Bee is more debatable/contentious tbh don’t forget Sage Naruto overpowered Kurama with all the clones & Rasengan Variants the Rasen Shurikens & The Massive Rasengan Barrage so if the Eight Tails gets hit with all of that than arguably it’ll be out for the count maybe like I said more debatable/contentious
Sage Naruto can put up a fight against Bee better than Sasuke indeed.
Vs Yoroi: Naruto can’t use Kyuubi at this point in time cause of Orochimaru’s 5 pronged seal
That’s an excellent point, the nine tails should still be able to come out if Naruto’s absolutely pressed he just can’t utilize it in his favor I don’t even think he tags Naruto regardless at all or grabs him so it shouldn’t even be a problem
@@ThunderGodTG I wanna say the same thing like if he was REALLY pressed, but Jiraiya did feel it necessary to undo the seal right before he threw Naruto down an abyss that would’ve killed him to make sure he could summon Gamabunta lol
I definitely agree I don’t think it makes or breaks the fight, especially if Naruto himself didn’t notice against Kiba it’s just a good thing you pointed out
@@ThunderGodTGfacts I agree Naruto does clap Yoroi lol he got beat by one move from Sasuke
@@Musclingus Saskue would demolish Naruto in hand 2 hand zero difficulty
I think a large reason why Sasuke could barely stand during the Yaroi fight was because he lost a large bit of chakra from the absorption technique. I don’t think he would be as fatigued against Kiba as you’re implying. I do however agree that Kiba would be a harder opponent than Yaroi but I think Sasuke would have at least stood a chance especially given that the Naruto’s barrage that took out kiba probably was probably about as strong as the lions barrage
In the pain fight, naruto could only summon a few clones with sage energy.
In the daytime the sun can be seen.
@@kiddomadeit8634 no
If Sasuke saw Naruto “die” on Naruto Bridge and his sharingan matured to three tomoe, do you think the amp would’ve been enough for him to at least hit Haku considering the statements about Sasuke’s sharingan from the Sasuke Retrieval Arc onwards?
maybe with a projectile, sasukes movement is too slow for haku
Yes, Haku wasn’t bloodlusted
The video is if naruto and sasuke switched places. Not their enemies so Sasuke would have had time to recover before fighting Kiba.
Maybe I missed it, but why did we skip sasuke and bee vs Itachi and nagato?
They didn't say why for some reason
Also missed Sasuke vs raikage.
Also skipped 4tails naruto vs orochimaru
@@jaybronx98they mentioned it but i guess they skipped it bc they assume it would be the same as when sasuke really fought orochimaru
I think the orochimaru that fought Naruto does better because Sasuke killed Orochimaru when he was at his absolute weakest & not in a straight up fight, but Sasuke still wins
@@tomato2517 no it definitely wouldn’t😂 in no way is sasuke stronger than 4tails naruto. Orochimaru was shocked when he couldn’t even pierce through narutos skin with the grass sword. And sasuke admitted that if orochimaru wasn’t on his deathbed he wouldn’t have won that fight. The oro that Naruto fought was in much better condition. So no sasuke doesn’t win
Small Correction. But Naruto couldn’t access Kyuubi during the first part of the Chunnin Exams. Orochimaru messed with the Seal. Not that it matters because he would still beat Yoroi.
I also don’t know why you’re using 5 Kage Summit Sasuke to fight Pein. Naruto could only beat Pein with some help, The 9 Tails almost breaking free, etc. Sasuke in the same position wouldn’t escape the Chibaku Tensai. Even using his 5 Kage Summit version his Sussano would be too underdeveloped. That same Sussano was melting by Mei’s Boil Release Acid. Plus Chakra Absorbtion is both Amaterasu and Susanno’s Kryptonite.
I disagree
Sasuke loses every match
Sasuke can't beat Pain, Kakuzu, Obito, 6 Paths of Jinchiruki, or Kimimaru.
Plus y'all gave Sasuke all the help but left Naruto to fend for himself. Like against Bee where was Hebi? Against Danzo where is Karin?
Question how does Sasuke beat the Animals from the Animal Path or Preta Path? Deva Path abilities wash Sasuke and his rods leave him incapable of fighting. Who lasts longer Susanoo or Asura Path's Full Assault? We all know Sasuke has chakra issues so I doubt he's winning.
Plus must I remind you that Sasuke hasn't beat one opponent but Zetsu. He won by default; Deidara killed himself, Orochimaru still got his body, Itachi sacrificed himself, Itachi beat Kabuto, Bee beat him half to death twice. So once again this is more Sasuke Fanboy type video.
Y'all think he would lose to Deidara, but totally forgot about his V2 fight vs Orochimaru? Or even the fact that he throws his Clones, and his reach is longer and greater than Sasuke Chidori Spear.
Everything you said is wrong
@@jasonmoukala8909 he beat deidara and orochimaru outright. And itachi still used his most powerful teqniques
@@joshuaguevara6775 Deidara blew himself up so Sasuke didn’t really beat him tbh. Orochimaru is just an easy kill, so I wouldn’t even count that as a win. Sasuke got like two people in his kill streak.
facts
okay sasuke stomps kakazu wdym
Dope video concept
Neji would dominate Sasuke at the Chunin exams. He got tired just matching base lee’s speed. Neji’s able to react to and beat that on a daily basis. His taijutsu is superior and he would cut down sasukes chakra points cutting him off from that. Sasuke doesn’t have control of his curse mark and it wouldn’t just jump out like Naruto’s nine tails chakra. With the Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms, he could attack multiple targets at once, either several opponents' tenketsu to restrain them at once or deflect incoming volley of projectiles. Also Neji’s Eighht Trigrams Revolving Heaven is stated by Tenten to be superior to Garra’s sand shield so it’s not certain the Chidori would pierce it . Especially considering its uses emoting chakra from all of the bodies tenketsu and the greater the force of an attack, the greater the force with which it's repelled unlike the sand wall that’s just a physical wall. Sasuke would be sent flying if he tried to chidori that.Combined with Neji’s Byakugan there’s no way that version of Sasuke gets past that.
Nigga did not watch the video 😭
Neji fan boy here he loses to chunin exam sasuke.
Tbh it is contentious because there's no way to scale Neji against Sasuke. They didn't fight the same opponents in the same arc
ehhhh i dont know man
@@IIIISai But we can scale Sasuke to lee. Sasuke was beating Garra was with his Taijutsu and his chidori.His speed was difficult for garra but Neji has beaten lee at that speed mulltiple times. Also Lee has more stamina than Sasuke who was getting tired and some taijutsu techniques like the lotus sasuke cant use. Chidori seems like it would be great but the rotation isnt solid shield like garra's sand that can be broken by force .Neji emits a large ammount of chakra from his bodyhalting the attack and with the rotation he repells it back damaging his opponent with the same force.Its a concept very similar to the basics of the rasengan except the rasengan is more compressed .Also Sasuke can only use chidori twice a day and if he uses too much force back then he can injure himself
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1 still don't see kage summit Sasuke beating pain even if he does get through the 6 paths which he won't he would have to deal with konan and nagato then there's the stuff video like this never mention like part 1 Sasuke only being able to run straight with his chidori and that he does have to set up kirin with the fireballs unless your changing all the Shippuden fights to where it's already storming two y'all don't bring up how Naruto almost anytime he's about to lose starts transforming
And y'all treat the sussano like it's invincible when it's not it breaks and melts in the five kage summit
Also y'all just don't go into pains hacks like what would Sasuke do against the giant summons or the soul stealing and shit I could possibly see him lasting till deva is replinished but i don't see him stopping all the paths and summons and shit before deva is ready to go who would then come in and if worst comes to worst seal Sasuke in the planetary devastation
@@whoknows8587 he might not get all 6 but he can get at least 4 of them
Pretty epic voice crack to end the video 🤝🏾
What if Kakashi was sealed with the 9 tails instead of newborn Naruto
Story over from the beginning if he lives it. Dude would be a master of it by the time the og show starts.
Itachi or Minato more GG
@@syn9669 That makes no sense. You don't just become a perfect Junchuriki(of the nine tails mind you) by being a prodigy. You need to be like Naruto, especially with his talk no Jutsu.
Also, Kakashi isn't surviving having even half of Kurama sealed inside him.
Kakashi doesn't have the suitable chakra to be the 9 tails jinchuuriki. There's a reason that the only jinchuuriki of the 9 tails are all Uzumaki members.
Your guys ideas for videos are so good
So we just gonna ignore the fact he didn’t cover Naruto vs itachi
Itachi wipes SM Naruto so it’d be weird to throw any Naruto in before or at that point
They skipped 4tails naruto vs orochimaru too
Yknow what would’ve been so mean?
“Alright now we have Naruto vs Sasuke, Sakura, Yamato and Sai, at the end of the Tenchi Bridge arc”
Naruto can win to Deidara in that time in the series, with the 4 tails amp (the one he use vs Orochimaru), with that he gain long range attacks and destructive power enough to defeat Deidara before he activate the celular bombs
Ikr
Naruto is very unlikely to use kurama's chakra at this point of the story (he was not willing to use it anymore). Moreover, he was in a specific emotional context against Orochimaru which would be unlikely to be replicated here
No, Naruto was on a path of making himself stronger. He wanted to use his own strength to catch up to Sasuke. He was avoiding getting consumed by 9 tails chakra unless he ran out of his own chakra
You guys deserve more views
I don’t think sasuke can take pain even with the intel and pain being tired. He would have to deal with the summons and chakra absorption and he would have to deal with them potentially twice due to the one that revives them. They have a shared vision with each other as well as the summons. Once the main pain gets his powers back if he didn’t destroy the other ones before hand it’s GG. Sasuke only beat danzo with plot let’s be real danzo had his life the moment he got that seal tag on him when he grabbed him by the throat even Karin had to help him and pain is much more of a threat then danzo.
Great video by the way I just love to debate these things
Um no there was no plot armor in his fight with Danzo. Neither Karin or obito helped Sasuke at all with Danzo. He can use Amaterasu and susanno to take out 3 or 4 of them. He can use Kirin that pain has no defense against. Susanno can defend against most of pain’s attacks not planetary devastation or universal pull or almighty push but most of their attacks Id say
@@jasonmoukala8909
Sasuke didn't even have MS at the point of the Pain fight. He wouldn't have Amaterasu or any Susanoo abilities. They literally gave Sasuke a buff.
But even with Susanoo, the Preta path is absorbing all jutsu. The Asura path could attack him with missiles. The summonings could do major damage. The crab could obscure Sasuke's vision. The rhino could crash into Sasuke's Susanoo. The bird could pick Sasuke off the ground in his Susanoo and make him a target for the dogs or the chameleon's tongue. The human path could be waiting to take out Sasuke's soul.
Working together, they could definitely kill Sasuke or give enough time for the Deva path to gain his strength back.
Pain actually was able to pin down naruto and win the fight until the nine tails came through, I dont think sasuke could win due to the drawbacks of the MS. Also let’s be honest danzo lost because he’s a dumbass.
@@Black_Guy the animal path would get destroyed by Amaterasu
- the other paths won’t be able to dodge sussano arrows
Sasuke could use his Hawk summoning to go up and launch Kirin after killing the animal path 😂
There’s a reason why Naruto admits inferiority to 5 kage summit Sasuke
The thing you guys are forgetting is Sasuke was heavily relying on his curse during/after the Chuunin Exam. That would mean Naruto would've had to be doing something akin to during/after the Chuunin Exams as well. I mean, yes, Naruto is a one-trick pony, but if your switching mentalities, you're doing a poor job. Naruto would've had to rely HEAVILY on Kurama. Changing the dynamics drastically. And, if Naruto knew of his clan at that time(You think Oroichimaru wouldn't have told him. Think: Kabuto.), then fuinjutsu would've been something deadly as well. But what do I know?
I think sasuke loses against pain
He does lose to pain my brother
He does but so did Naruto. Not saying Sasuke would put up a better fight at the time but Naruto technically lost when pain pinned him to the ground
@@90sprinceofcrime67Naruto didn’t really lose though. If you look at it in terms of fighting, Pein dominated most of the rounds but Naruto got the KO. Like Adesanya vs Pereira or Edwards vs Usman. Pereira and Edwards still won the fight even tho they were losing the entire time.
@@lmpulse Naruto did technically lose, he wouldn't have been able to break out of the rods if it wasn't for Kurama taking over
@@90sprinceofcrime67 So in your opinion, Naruto lost to Neji too then?
Love the content but got to make the videos louder
As it relates to Naruto vs danzo
Frog kumite on its own should nearly one tap danzo. I'm pretty sure he'd have to use his eyes to not just die outright from taijutsu alone.
And Sasuke vs pain, could pain absorb the chakra from indra's arrow? I'd imagine that would give Sasuke a hard time since he doesn't have taijutsu the same way Naruto does
Yeah there's no reason pain wouldn't be able to absorb all of Sasuke best attacks and he doesn't have the taijutsu/summons to deal with everything like naruto did. They were REALLY lazy with this one just "spams arrows gg ez" wtf.
@@wtflawlbags yeah exactly, and calling kirin the same as rasenshuriken sounds wrong too. I'm pretty sure he needs time to prepare it, and it also doesn't attack on a microscopic level the same way either.
A lot of points here def felt rushed and tossed together yeah
How do you only have 6k??? You deserve way more
why did you use five kage sasuke when at the time it was taka sasuke? taka sasuke was the one that fought Bee which happened after the pain fight.
It a stomp, minor concessions for the video to be more interestinf
Killer bee vs Sasuke happened before Naruto vs pain.
@@justinarzola4584 it was clearly shown it was still taka Sasuke during the time. Sasuke finds out Naruto had just defeated pain in the anime and is still wearing the Akatsuki cloak doesn't have ems and refers to everyone as taka. They say they just captured bee. Either they fought him first or they happened within the exact same couple of days somehow. Either way it was still taka Sasuke at the time.
insane content keep going tg
Lol, Sasuke just swings his susano and wins?
Nah, Danzo fight Sasuke is Sage mode Naruto level via the narrative.
Pain is equal to sage mode Naruto in combat speed and he scales above Naruto in power/hax.
*Pain throws up chibaku tensei and Sasuke will be swimming with the fishes
It’s incredible how many people missed the fact this pain fatigued while the deva path recharges for over 4 chapters
Nah bruh, Pein has infinitely more stamina than Sasuke no matter what, he is an Uzumaki.
My favorite part was the part about the animal Thummons 😂
MY MOUTH GETS DRY BITCH LMAO
For Naruto vs Gaara I do believe he would summon Gamabunta, but he would probably be disqualified.
For Sasuke vs Kakazu I think that Sasuke won't help much, at this time he is still a lesser version of Kakashi, the team will win but I don't think it's Sasuke who will make the difference.
For Sasuke vs Pain I'm really confused because you used his version who fought against Danzo and bring up the Susanoo, which he shouldn't be able to use. It would be the same version that fought Bee, which means he would loose hard, considering Pain and Bee should be relative in power.
Um dude Sasuke been stronger than Kakashi since the beginning of the series so yeah he beats kakazu
Love it bro
I forgot Naruto fought all the failed beasts. This manga really was insane sometimes
Damn you guys are sleeping on sage Naruto so bad, his physical stats are insane he could killed danzo with a punch, sage mode doesn't have a timer, it runs out when you uses too much of the nature energy he's gathered.
Sage Naturo beats Danzo mid-low diff, saskue isn't on Naturos level after he gets sage mode and that doesn't change for the rest of the series.
Bro what? Naruto didn’t completely master sage mode till war arc. His sage mode has a limit of 5 minutes and no one punch isn’t beating Danzo. Not to mention Danzo has 10 minutes on invincibility with izanagi. Yeah ms Sasuke is definitely on sage mode naruto level. Naruto will win against Danzo but its definitely high diff
@@jasonmoukala8909 there is nothing to indicate Naruto's skill the sage mode increased at all, he was a perfect sage the moment he rolled up on Pain, any precieved increase to it was just Kurama not being petty and Naruto getting stronger in base and Wrong sage Naturo can kill Danzo with a single punch, he killed the Preta path with a punch that didn't even land directly.
Once Naruto becomes a sage he's the stronger person in the leaf by a mile, full stop.
@@nicholascole9673 sage naruto isn’t stronger than gai at that time. Danzo has hashirama cells booting his physical energy so one punch isn’t beating him
@@jasonmoukala8909 Gai is weaker than sage Naruto unless he kills himself and he definitely isn't at that point in the series before everyone gets arbitrary war time buffs.
Gai is definitely a more skilled hand to hand fighter but he doesn't demonstrate the kind of physical power sage Naruto does until he goes full 8 gates.
Sage Naruto hurls a giant rhino into the air like it ain't shit.
@@nicholascole9673 go watch the show again. 6 or 7 gates is more than enough to beat sage mode naruto during pain arc.
Neji getting shit on once again. Sasuke is not just fighting a ninja who regularly beats unweighted Lee he’s fighting a master Byakugan user… not to mention since Sasuke is not a jinchuriki wtf would he do if his chakra points were hit?
Naruto won because he was a jinchuriki or he would literally be dead.
Chunin exam Neji stomps Sasuke mid diff, wtf? lol
At that point of the story, Neji was one ninja who was clearly far ahead of his peers. The only reason Naruto won was because of plot or else Naruto would’ve lost mid diff. Sasuke at that point would lose any engagement if they fought up close regardless of his new Taijutsu buff & Chidori.
and how come Sasuke gets Susano’o versus Pain when at that point Sasuke only had Amaterasu up until later? Either way, I feel like Pain is getting downplayed because the paths aren’t fodder and they all attack at once. I’m sure they can buy time until Deva is restored.
@@africangiant8638 they was using danzo fight sasuke to make it fair im assuming
@@africangiant8638 my thoughts exactly
Interesting video ideas
Sasuke is not beating pain. Sasuke doesn't really have any summons to help him and he just lose. His long range attacks will be absorbed and pain has multiple summons to deal with his defense.
Only one pain body can absorb so he can just use Amaterasu on the ones that can’t defend or doge it which like 3 or 4 of them. His susanno can definitely take out like one or 2 of them
@@jasonmoukala8909 yeah but Sasuke also on a time limit before he goes blind he don't have shadow clones to stall for him to regain his vision like Naruto did to get his sage mode back Sasuke just flat out lose.
@@aceturtle953 his eyesight ain’t gonna run out that fast tho right?
Spreading Amaterasu around and susano arrows are options for summons. Gotta remember sasuke would have intel, so he might just decide to kill the animal path instead of even going after the summons
@@spit-fire Sasuke at that time couldn't just spam amaterasu or the arrows. It used a lot of chakra and stamina.
Had to watch once I seen the title
Sasuke gets dawged by kakuzu the rasen shuriken is duraneg the Kirin is not
Yeah the point was more so Sasuke only has to deal with 2 hearts with Kakashi + Yamato as support
@@ThunderGodTG if you’re saying sasuke vs the jugan kakuzu his chakra is stated stronger meaning he’d be above his base state and I’m one of the ppl who think kakuzu scales to KCM1 Naruto in speed so I think he’d simply speed blitz and one shot due to his scaling to the 2 tails
I’ve never been one for the crazy Kakazu scaling so that’s just me personally, I don’t think the Yugito that fights Naruto is the same as the one that fought Kakazu, but that’s just me
@@ThunderGodTG guess we gotta agree to disagree lol
@@sbthesage2100 lmaoo what ? Kakazu is a fast as kcm naruto who speed blitz the raikage ? Hell to the nah. Kakashi was able to get behind kakazu and raikai one of his hearts without him noticing. Hes foddler and is like the 7th or 6th strongest in the akatsuki out of 9 members
Shoutout for getting Seth to copy your idea haha
Part 1:
Naruto vs. Yoroi - Naruto
Sasuke vs. Kiba - Kiba (I agree)
Naruto vs. Gaara (chunin exams final) - Gaara
Sasuke vs. Neji (chunin exams final) - Sasuke
Sasuke vs. Gaara (Konoha Crush) - Gaara considering he was gonna go use the Playing Possum
Sasuke vs. Kabuto (Sannin showdown) - Kabuto would win
Naruto vs. Sound Four - If it's start of the arc then the Sound 4 but if it's 1 tail Naruto then yeah he probably wipes the floor with them
Sasuke vs. Kimimaro - wasn't Sasuke in a box? Kimimaro wins but Final Valley Sasuke probably pushes him to CM2 like Gaara could on his own
Shippuden:
Sasuke vs Kakazu - Sasuke wins probably in CM2 even without kirin
Naruto vs Deidara - 4 tails Naruto would destroy Deidara, 3 tails probably could too. Rasenshuriken Naruto has the power but loses due to styles matchup
Naruto vs. Bee - This Naruto doesn't know Sage Mode yet so he'd for sure lose. Even with Sage Mode would lose once Bee uses Gyuki (if you think Bee in war arc is same level in this arc. Even then, Bee should be stronger) even if Naruto goes 6 tails. V2 Bee may win also
Sasuke vs Pain - Pain would win if he gains his power back. Sage Naruto > MS Sasuke that fought Killer Bee. Kage Summit performs better than Sage Naruto but still loses too Deva Path if Nagato hasn't regained his power
Naruto vs. Danzo - Danzo loses in a more drawn out fight but other than his summon, nothing is close to damaging Naruto
EMS Sasuke vs. Rinnegan Obito - Well if you think Sasuke gets stronger in the war over time then he probably loses but if you think Sasuke was just holding back until him & Naruto unleash their full power vs. Juubito (in this fight he's ~ Bijuu Sage Naruto) then I'll take Sasuke. Then again, Obito reviving the Juubi would be a win con and regardless the juubi would be revived. Given y'all win condition, EMS Sasuke can easily get rid of the jinchuriki if he's given knowledge that the rods are how they have their bijuu powers
KCM1 Naruto vs. Sage Kabuto - Yeah this fight doesn't matter honestly cause the main outcome is Itachi wins against Sage Kabuto. If this was a 1v1, would be pretty intriguing at least until initial KCM2 comes out which is reaching Minato, Tobirama levels
Post War & Boruto:
Sasuke vs. Toneri - Stated Sasuke is the strongest member of team 7 during the Last so yeah
Naruto vs. Kinshiki - Naruto wins but if Momoshiki helps out he'd be at a disadvantage like Sasuke stated
Sasuke vs. Delta - Probably defeats her much easier than Naruto given his abilities & hax
I agree with most of your analysis except for Naruto against sound 4, as even with the one tail cloak, Naruto has no answer at all against tayuya's genjutsu and severly lacks analytical skills to find solutions against their respective abilities.
@@sundnido8517 I don’t think you need analytical skills to speed blitz them and overpower them especially since 1 tail cloak doesn’t move conventionally
I disagree with y’all take on FKS MS Sasuke vs Pain tbh y’all didn’t really mention anything from the Paths of Pain at all y’all forgetting abt the Summonings & how they can also stall for the Tendo’s Pain abilities to come back also the Path of Pain with the super durable mechanical body that can tank a lot of damage & the path of pain that can revive the others also the Path of Pain that can absorb chakra can pretty much absorb everything FKS MS Sasuke can do at this point his Chidori, his all his Fire, Lightning & Inferno Style Jutsu, his Susanoo Arrows hell even the Susanoo itself can prolly get absorbed since its a Chakra Avatar from the MS & if they do stall long enough for the Tendo Path of Pain to come back it’s a instant GG Almighty Push & Planetary Devastation is going to neg this version of Sasuke with Low Diff tbh
Very fun video idea but there was some gross Sasuke bias/Naruto downplay going on here
Examples? The only one I would say I wish I went into more depth on was Pain
Definitely pain for one. Sasuke has no answer to chibaku tensei. And assuming he somehow does, he has no way to locate and defeat nagato which is absolutely a win condition. Also since you give Sasuke all of Naruto's allies during his fight then Naruto should get Taka during his fight with bee making that an easy W. Naruto's sage barrage and rasenshuriken were enough to put down kurama (with aid from Kushina) so it would work on the eight tails too. That alone makes the score 4/4 for both of them.
Also Naruto vs Gaara felt like a weird argument. If the win condition is the same as the original scenario then Naruto just has to make Gaara start to transform which he could easily do since he.... beat transformed Gaara...
That one I was really surprised people and issues with since Naruto’s only chance is with Kurama when he even talks about fearing Gaara with the idea he can use the Nine Tails chakra in mind, for the Sasuke one we kept defeating Pain as the win con not locating Nagato, for the Bee one that’s actually fair we actually put that one in last minute and didn’t think about that which is our bad but, I actually don’t think changes the matchup since Suigetsu and Jugo got slammed by Base Bee with Karin only really being able to locate bee, maybe useful for Naruto to have clones, but it doesn’t change the fact that SM Naruto and Taka can’t handle full 8 tails.
@@ThunderGodTG Yeah that's a fair argument. I guess it comes to personal opinion at that point because I do still think Naruto could access the nine tails and win but I can see your side. For Sasuke I still don't see him surviving Chibaku Tensei, but with Nagato out of the picture he does have a better chance. But for Bee I do still think that if Suigetsu can stall Eight Tails like he did for Sasuke, then naruto could slam him with a rasenshuriken. Which, at the very least, would be enough to force Bee to tentacle clone out of there.
Y’all did a good job
Neji stomps Sasuke, don’t @ me
Exactly. Sasuke got tired just matching base Lee speed that Neji beats daily. Chidori and fire ball jutsu are useless because of rotation which was confirmed to be superior to the sand wall. It not only defends but uses chakra to reflect
Rotation was not confirmed to be superior to the sand defence. Character opinions are not facts.
@@spit-fire it’s not just ten ten, it’s also stated in the first databook to be on par with the sand as a defense. Kishimoto was clearly using ten ten as a narrator at that point to explain something in-universe.
It is worth noting that Hebi Sasuke was ridiculously powerful during the Kakuzu fight.
It's implied throughout this point in the series that Sasuke is above a good deal of the members.
I think Sasuke would literally just take the Kakuzu fight solo.
Styles make fights. This is why Naruto fights are better than anything the dragon ball put out.
Cool vid bro’s.😺
This is gonna be good 🍿
Amaterasu >>> Bijuu Bomb?
6 Tail Beast
Should've added a few fights:
Sasuke vs inner kurama when Naruto unlocked kcm1
Sasuke and B vs edo nagato and itachi
Naruto vs lee before the chunin exams
Naruto vs Sakura when she tries to stop Sasuke from leaving (lmao, useless girl)
And the one I'm really curious what y'all think:
Sasuke and Sakura vs kakashi in the second bell test
Banger idea!
X and Zero. Fire under water.
Ha, Who knew...
sauske is getting packed by planetary devastation
W video, I’ve never thought of this
Just some ideas
Hebi sasuke vs starting shippuden kakashi
Ain't no way you put some manga panel's slideshows from bottom to top.
For a video this size people honestly listen to it podcast style so it’d be a waste to go crazy with the editing
I think if Yoroi tried to absorb all of naruto's chakra he'd literally die 😂😂