The NFL’s greatest QB performances are actually better than they have us believe

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  • Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
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    The NFL says no quarterback is allowed to have a passer rating above 158.3, refusing to acknowledge a difference between two quarterbacks in which one clearly outperforms the other as to the metrics relevant to its formula. Well, that notion can go kick rocks. We’re rounding up the artificial constraints and the lies and sending them to the bottom of the ocean to right all the wrong numbers stemming from each of the 24,492 regular + postseason individual games of the Super Bowl era in which a quarterback threw at least 20 passes. With the truth revealed, some fascinating nuggets emerge.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 361

  • @SecretBaseSBN
    @SecretBaseSBN  23 години тому +58

    If you're a little lost, check out episode one of Scattered, which goes through this whole, bizarre, massive calculation Alex is running: ua-cam.com/video/5E7Z84WttIc/v-deo.htmlsi=aYMT83CSsrNsG4su

    • @deathlessgamer
      @deathlessgamer 21 годину тому +1

      Given that passer rating has these artificial limits that you have mentioned in the previous episode it doesn't surprise me that some people surpass what is "perfect". That said I was definitely surprised by some no name quarterbacks being towards the top.
      Given what you have said about passer rating, it reminds me a lot of the game score metric in baseball. It can give two very different pitching performances the exact same number. When in reality they should be separated by a lot. I actually made my own version of baseball's gamescore metric. But people on Reddit said it was too "complicated".

    • @SimuLord
      @SimuLord 20 годин тому

      @@deathlessgamer Wait, let me get this straight. You made a _baseball stat_ that people thought was too complicated?! I did not think it was possible for such a thing to theoretically exist.

    • @nickmcpimpson
      @nickmcpimpson 18 хвилин тому

      Okay but now where is Kyler Murray from W2 landing against the Rams... I need to look back at how rushing yards factor in

  • @scottb.3905
    @scottb.3905 21 годину тому +497

    Another problem I have with passer rating is that it can penalize a QB for achieving all yards available to him. The only reason Josh Allen didn't have a "perfect" passer rating in the Bills' perfect offensive game against the Patriots in the 2022 WC is because his last TD pass was short enough that it dropped his Y/A just under the threshold. He was actively punished by the passer rating system for throwing a touchdown. Very silly stuff.

    • @gmwdim
      @gmwdim 17 годин тому +55

      And since passer rating does not account for rushing at all, Josh Allen's passer rating would have been better if he got sacked on that play than if he threw the TD pass.

    • @kevinmoynihan5118
      @kevinmoynihan5118 16 годин тому +11

      Also it doesn't account for game situations. If QB A is 1/3 for 10 yards their passer rating is 43.75, if QB B is 3/3 for 9 yards it's 79.27. QB A picked up a first down QB B did not. Obviously that is a very small sample, that evens out for the most part over a larger sample but stuff like this not being account for does still add up and especially in today's increasingly pass happy NFL it can make some solid QBs appear to be elite difference makers when they in fact are not.

    • @user-to9ge8ii9n
      @user-to9ge8ii9n 16 годин тому +2

      Really highlights the shortcomings of this stat!

    • @_helium_
      @_helium_ 16 годин тому +10

      There’s a lot of shortcomings with passer rating, mainly it rewarding completed passes as effectively equal to yardage gained, which is braindead.
      A quarterback can throw a completed pass that gains negative yards and their passer rating would go up. Often times the correct thing to do is to throw it out of bounds, which universally lowers passer rating. Silly.
      Adjusted Net Yards Per Attempt remains king of traditional passing stats

    • @poindextertunes
      @poindextertunes 7 годин тому +1

      yeah and passer rating doesn’t count rings either so it double sucks

  • @Trenchgun1
    @Trenchgun1 21 годину тому +284

    Lamr Jackon

  • @holstorrsceadus1990
    @holstorrsceadus1990 21 годину тому +219

    NGL, the last vid was shorter than I expected and I didn't fully get my chart fix. Welcome back friendly neighborhood chart dealer. I'll take your entire stock of charts, please.

    • @RandyHawkeye
      @RandyHawkeye 17 годин тому +7

      My name is Randy, and I am also a chart junkie. 📊 📈 📊

    • @user-to9ge8ii9n
      @user-to9ge8ii9n 16 годин тому +4

      We're serious about success. 📈📊🤤

    • @BigBlack81
      @BigBlack81 15 годин тому

      @user-to9ge8ii9n ...and that's Pretty Good. 📈📊✊🏿💯🤣

  • @jahaj2890
    @jahaj2890 19 годин тому +76

    16:11 "Some teams just get all the quarterback luck" when referring to the Bears is hilarious.

    • @4QIcehole
      @4QIcehole 18 годин тому +2

      As a Bears fan of 30+ years, I sincerely want to give Alex a wedgie for that one lmao

    • @Scorpious187
      @Scorpious187 15 годин тому +4

      Ruthless mockery of the franchise. That one stung. lol.

    • @Hawkmanuno
      @Hawkmanuno 12 годин тому +3

      Hey, at least finally Justin Fields is giving the Bears the performance they've been wanting.
      *holds piece to ear*
      It has come to my attention that Justin Fields is giving his best and most stable performance for the Steelers, not the bears.
      But hey, at least you got an NFL-ready QB in No.1 draft pick Caleb Williams!
      *looks at some charts*
      Oh, guess he wasn't that NFL ready, and could have benefited from sitting behind a good vet...

    • @Scorpious187
      @Scorpious187 10 годин тому

      @@Hawkmanuno I was saying all along, they should have traded the first overall pick to AZ and picked up MHJ.
      But then again, the O-line is trash again so we'll never know what Williams could have been like when we're having to scrape him up off the turf every other play.

  • @ineedaface9250
    @ineedaface9250 20 годин тому +50

    I can't believe Nathan Peterman didn't have a game with a 195+ actual passer rating! Unfathomable!

    • @TheAndyk123
      @TheAndyk123 18 годин тому +2

      Yeah, that part blew my mind. I thought for sure Nathan GOATerman had at least a few of those.

  • @lwandilemsiza8027
    @lwandilemsiza8027 20 годин тому +161

    A lot of people don't understand how truly transcendent the 2019 MVP campaign authored by Lamar was.

    • @stdamonsbeard
      @stdamonsbeard 20 годин тому +7

      Too bad he can’t do it in the playoffs.

    • @CadChamberlain
      @CadChamberlain 20 годин тому +27

      Even just from a casual viewing perspective, it was really no question who the best player was. Similar to Cam Newton in 2015, Lamar took over the entire NFL world.
      And then he decided to do it again in 2023.

    • @mars7304
      @mars7304 19 годин тому +27

      ​@@stdamonsbeard He's had games with 400+ yards in the postseason just for his defense to sputter and his WRs to look like Walmart cashiers when it matters most. It's not him.

    • @gbrow1604
      @gbrow1604 19 годин тому +4

      @@mars7304Are you talking about the game vs the Titans? Because those yards were almost all garbage against prevent defense. Until the Titans softened up Lamar had no TDs and 3 turnovers.

    • @stdamonsbeard
      @stdamonsbeard 19 годин тому +1

      @@mars7304 He has 6 tds to 6 ints in the playoffs. And it’s not like he’s playing with bums. He has had more than enough support and has only won 2 playoff games.

  • @hanschristopherson8056
    @hanschristopherson8056 20 годин тому +45

    Funny how the guy who was told by scouts to switch to wide receiver has the highest single game passer rating

    • @mars7304
      @mars7304 19 годин тому +5

      Shows how much "scouts" know

    • @coryshannon3815
      @coryshannon3815 13 годин тому +5

      A bunch of people still want to critcize Jackson, as though he isn't the most talented QB the Ravens have had since moving from Cleveland.

    • @Zack_410
      @Zack_410 11 годин тому +3

      And people still wanna call him an RB and question his IQ

    • @Zack_410
      @Zack_410 11 годин тому +3

      ​@@coryshannon3815Yep. Just happy my team has him. I was dumbfounded he fell to 32 but I'm happy he did.

    • @poindextertunes
      @poindextertunes 7 годин тому

      @@Zack_410playoff wins? forcing him to throw the ball NEVER goes well. what are we even talking about? lmao

  • @Games-tx1zc
    @Games-tx1zc 20 годин тому +49

    That little Brock Purdy cluster is nuts. That team was cooking at that point.

    • @KMcNally117
      @KMcNally117 20 годин тому

      But one bad game against the Ravens gave away his MVP chances to Lamar Jackson.

    • @mars7304
      @mars7304 19 годин тому +4

      ​@@KMcNally117 to be fair, it was the worst game of his season against a Baltimore team that was a huge underdog playing IN SF.

    • @The_Red_Comet
      @The_Red_Comet 18 годин тому +2

      ​@@mars7304in what universe was that Ravens team a huge underdog? They were the number 1 seed in the AFC

    • @mars7304
      @mars7304 17 годин тому +3

      ​@@The_Red_Comet dude you can Google the Vegas odds at that time. Ravens were underdogs vs the 49ers who were the #1 seed in the NFC. Don't correct me when you're a Google search away from the answer.

    • @metal100k
      @metal100k 9 годин тому +2

      ​@@KMcNally117 to be fair that performance was far more than just a bad game. I think he threw 4 picks. He was gifting the Baltimore defense on christmas.

  • @CadChamberlain
    @CadChamberlain 20 годин тому +71

    Lamar Jackson is a good quarterback I think

    • @mrwenzie
      @mrwenzie 19 годин тому +1

      lamr jackson

    • @bigpoppa1234
      @bigpoppa1234 15 годин тому +2

      how many world series has he won tho

    • @briangruenewald7536
      @briangruenewald7536 14 годин тому +1

      “Not bad for a running back!” 💜🖤

    • @notmelenda
      @notmelenda 8 годин тому +2

      @@bigpoppa1234 i bet he's never even been to the world cup

    • @bigpoppa1234
      @bigpoppa1234 7 годин тому

      could probably go to the next one!

  • @panadatm
    @panadatm 20 годин тому +18

    Thanks for reminding me of the alternate universe where Teddy Bridgewater doesnt get a career changing injury.

  • @LALtd001
    @LALtd001 20 годин тому +26

    Lamr Jackon

  • @ExhaustedElox
    @ExhaustedElox 21 годину тому +55

    I never understood why there were guardrails on the Passer Rating stat. Don't you want a true metric?

    • @hitchikerspie
      @hitchikerspie 21 годину тому +35

      It was made in the 70s to award the NFL passing title, since previously it was just done on passing yards.
      The numbers are chosen because they’re easy to compute on a slide rule using log tables.
      Passer rating was never designed to be used on single game samples, but for season long totals, where it’s prohibitively hard to qualify (14 passes per team game) *and* have a value over 2.375 or below 0 on a season long basis

    • @saydaddy91
      @saydaddy91 18 годин тому +7

      @@hitchikerspiefollowing up on this when passer rating was was first introduced it was in an era where QBs regularly threw for more interceptions than touchdowns (Sammy Baugh, Bobby Layne, and Bob Waterfield all made the HOF despite the fact that they threw more interceptions than touchdowns) i can imagine that they didn’t think that players would reach these numbers today

    • @user-to9ge8ii9n
      @user-to9ge8ii9n 16 годин тому +3

      ​@@hitchikerspieWhile I think the incredulous tone is enjoyable, I appreciate knowing why the (presumably) smart people determined it how they do. Thanks!

    • @noahbaden90
      @noahbaden90 15 годин тому +1

      ​@@hitchikerspie okay, but that doesn't explain why there's an artificial ceiling/floor. Just because it's basically impossible for a baseball player to have a 1.000 average for more than a game doesn't mean that we limit average to 0.583

    • @hitchikerspie
      @hitchikerspie 15 годин тому

      @@noahbaden90 Yes it does! It was calculated on slide rules before calculators. If you've never used a slide rule and log tables that's fine, but they're not unlimited, and is a large part of why the numbers chosen got capped.
      Especially since this capping was never going to happen on a season long level, it's essentially just a way to bound the stat, otherwise a perfect score wouldn't exist.

  • @jamesgilboy9302
    @jamesgilboy9302 19 годин тому +14

    Can we get a round of fuckin applause for Alex putting together an epic series with himself at the top? Love your work with Jon, but I’m glad to see you get to shine on your own too ✨

  • @FrancisTha1st
    @FrancisTha1st 20 годин тому +40

    For those curious on the too-recent-to-be-included, Kyler Murray had a perfect game on September 15th, 2024. Disregarding the illusory and unnecessary barriers of the original formula, we find that Kyler Murray, helped mostly by his three touchdowns on just 21 attempts, had a real passer rating of 169.9.

  • @SimuLord
    @SimuLord 20 годин тому +13

    Lynn Dickey's 1983 season stands out like a neon sign in a cornfield if you look on Pro Football Reference. Compared to the rest of his career, it was absolutely bananas.

    • @fortynights1513
      @fortynights1513 6 годин тому +1

      The year after had almost the same passer rating on lower volume too.
      Interestingly Dickey played for 15 years and his third and second to last years are where he passed his most efficiently.

  • @gutsdw
    @gutsdw 20 годин тому +19

    Lamr Jackon

  • @quack9694
    @quack9694 21 годину тому +39

    Lamr Jackon

  • @CadChamberlain
    @CadChamberlain 20 годин тому +24

    Some crazy additional notes about Lamar's TWO perfect passer rating performances vs the Dolphins:
    That 2019 beatdown of the Dolphins was so brutal that multiple defensive players on Miami requested trades, which is why Minkah Fitzpatrick became a Steeler.
    Lamar was on his way to having 3 perfect passer rating games vs the Dolphins in 2022, where he had a statline of 21/29 for 318 yards and 3 TDs. He also ran for 119 yards and TD that game. Unsurprisingly, given the team he plays for, the Ravens lost that game despite starting the 4th quarter up 35-14.

    • @CadChamberlain
      @CadChamberlain 20 годин тому +1

      If there was a way to quantify the rushing game into this metric, a game in which the player's team blew 3 TD lead could perhaps be the greatest statistical game in NFL history.

    • @mars7304
      @mars7304 19 годин тому +5

      I remember watching that game. It wasn't because of the team he played for. Tyreek and Waddle torched our secondary, and we had injuries that led a 5th round rookie CB to be the only guy covering Tyreek on one of the most crucial TDs of the game.
      Honestly, Baltimore has given him one of the best opportunities to succeed. Only criticism you can make is not giving him an elite WR1, but that's essentially how Lamar sees Mark Andrews

    • @CadChamberlain
      @CadChamberlain 19 годин тому +4

      @@mars7304 Ravens defense gave up 4 straight touchdowns drives, and 5 in the last 6. I said it 'given the team he plays for' because this team has a very significant tendency to fall apart with big leads. This game is the best example of that.

    • @CadChamberlain
      @CadChamberlain 19 годин тому +2

      Some of those late game struggles can definitely be put on Lamar, like his lone loss to an NFC team in his career where he randomly threw a jump ball to former defensive lineman Pat Ricard with less than 3 minutes left and threw a pick to lose to the Giants.
      But the majority of the late game shenanigans are rooted in bad coaching, penalties, and conservative playcalling. If Lamar wasnt as great as he is, there would be plenty more choked leads on John Harbaugh's resume, as hes made countless game sealing plays to stop the opposing comebacks.

    • @CadChamberlain
      @CadChamberlain 19 годин тому +2

      @@mars7304 Its a pattern without Lamar too. Who can forget Tyler Huntley's emergency start vs the Bears in which the Ravens lost the lead in the final minute of the game because they ran an all-out blitz on 4th and long and let their injured practice squad corner get cooked by their fastest receiver? They magically survived that blunder to win after a miraculous drive from Huntley, so Harbaugh never had to face the fire for that one.

  • @beefkake5
    @beefkake5 20 годин тому +10

    Boy the early comment section of a Secret Base video is a hellscape. Great video!

  • @centofonti
    @centofonti 20 годин тому +28

    "Lamar can't pass though" thats my goat fuck what everyone else say

  • @Dryice36
    @Dryice36 21 годину тому +32

    Lamr Jackson

  • @crystalfelts2404
    @crystalfelts2404 20 годин тому +9

    Basketball has true shooting. We now have True Passer rating 😤

  • @christianrogers5836
    @christianrogers5836 20 годин тому +10

    Lmar Jackon

  • @ryanschumacher2043
    @ryanschumacher2043 17 годин тому +7

    that Lamar guy is sure on here a lot for a guy they say can't pass

  • @aryst0krat
    @aryst0krat 20 годин тому +33

    I'm not American so help me out, is Louisville really pronounced 'loolvle' like your mouth is full of bread?

    • @SecretBaseSBN
      @SecretBaseSBN  20 годин тому +34

      to say it proper, yeah

    • @SecretBaseSBN
      @SecretBaseSBN  20 годин тому +43

      we got confirmation from louisville native jon bois lol

    • @mars7304
      @mars7304 20 годин тому +14

      The s isn't pronounced, and over time the sound that the "oui" makes became dulled. Now its not "Lewieville" its "loolvle" as most words end up dropping syllables over time. It may even shorten more in the future.

    • @aryst0krat
      @aryst0krat 20 годин тому +7

      @@SecretBaseSBN That's fascinating, thank you! Wild comparing it to how it would be pronounced in French haha

    • @owentucker6215
      @owentucker6215 20 годин тому +2

      @@SimuLordDon’t forget Lima (pronounced “lime-a”) or Versailles (pronounced “Ver-sails”)

  • @chaosof99
    @chaosof99 20 годин тому +6

    For people who are unaware, a Googolplex is a10^10^100, which is a number so large that if you were to divide it by the number of particles in the observable universe (~10^90), you'd have equal segments that are still basically a googolplex in size each.

  • @blueredlover1060
    @blueredlover1060 15 годин тому +5

    And those games by Lamar doesn't account for his rushing stats. He's an absolute weapon of a QB.

  • @justaspidercrab
    @justaspidercrab 20 годин тому +5

    aw hell yeah i love lynn dickey. his show DAVE rocks

  • @Rylan_Korpi
    @Rylan_Korpi 17 годин тому +5

    11 of the 32 current teams in the NFL have a QB that has thrown for at least 2 _actual_ perfect passer rating games.
    The only one not starting is Russell Wilson (3).

    • @blueredlover1060
      @blueredlover1060 15 годин тому +1

      To be entirely fair to Russ, last I knew he was injured, which is why he's not starting.

  • @yurmumsgjey
    @yurmumsgjey 21 годину тому +17

    Lamr Jackon

  • @davidhonkstvorisit4811
    @davidhonkstvorisit4811 21 годину тому +17

    Lamr Jackson

  • @dfp_01
    @dfp_01 19 годин тому +3

    Hey Alex! Can you do another series like this on OPS? Maybe you don't think it sucks as much as I do, but it certainly doesn't make any kind of mathematical sense. Adding up two numbers whose denominators are entirely different stats? Weighing each total base from a hit close to twice each base taken via walk, HBP, etc.? Having no inclusion of RBI or SB/CS in _any_ capacity? Wild.
    And they made it worse when they introduced OPS+, because instead of making it 50 * (OBP/lgOBP + SLG/lgSLG), for some unknown reason they settled on 100 * (OBP/lgOBP + SLG/lgSLG) - 100, which makes -100 the lowest possible OPS+ instead of 0, for a stat that is _supposed_ to represent what percentage of average a hitter is. Now, I'm of the mind that every + stat should be weighed relative to defensive position rather than the whole league, but even if you don't think that, OPS+ is pretty ridiculous.

  • @joebuckfan
    @joebuckfan 19 годин тому +4

    Lynn Dickey deserves to be in the Hall of Fame!

    • @fortynights1513
      @fortynights1513 6 годин тому

      Solid career but I don’t think I’d go that far.

  • @MustangWarrior07
    @MustangWarrior07 18 годин тому +3

    I will be pushing my Lynn Dickey narrative using this video

  • @StartCodonUST
    @StartCodonUST 19 годин тому +4

    I knew this was coming. Mitch Trubisky's annihilation of Tampa Bay was such a high that the hangover afterwards may have caused permanent damage as the Bears tried and failed for the next few years to replicate a performance which surely must have been the work of the supernatural.

    • @fortynights1513
      @fortynights1513 6 годин тому +1

      How good was the Tampa Bay defense he did that against?

    • @beepboopboop
      @beepboopboop 4 години тому

      ​@@fortynights1513 I had to sit through every game and they were dog awful. The 2018 Bucs defense was 31st in points against, 27th in yards allowed, 28th in turnover%, dead last in redzone%, last in QB hurries, and so on.

  • @UniqueNameHere
    @UniqueNameHere 17 годин тому +3

    I've seen enough. Mitch Trubisky is the greatest qb of all time

  • @twalrus9833
    @twalrus9833 18 годин тому +4

    lamr jackon

  • @effyeadude
    @effyeadude 18 годин тому +2

    So what you're saying is Lamar Jackson actually CAN throw the football? Somebody better tell ESPN.

  • @Pizzawarrior96
    @Pizzawarrior96 20 годин тому +3

    What I take away from this is that Brock Purdy is truly an elite QB

    • @vsauce4678
      @vsauce4678 7 годин тому

      He's real good. But many real good QBs with 3 top 40 wrs and a top 5 te and a top 3 RB and a top 3 play caller and a top 3 defense can and would put up numbers.

  • @serisothikos
    @serisothikos 20 годин тому +2

    I love when people normalize stats by pretending outliers are identically irrelevant (here, by flattening the numbers directly) instead of creating exponentially steeper curves so the uniqueness of each outlying value can still be acknowledged. It's such sloppy napkin math.

  • @ryanward6866
    @ryanward6866 19 годин тому +2

    This kind of pedantry is the reason I love UA-cam. Nice video, guys.

  • @gasaidjohn3499
    @gasaidjohn3499 10 годин тому +2

    This is too good of a topic to not have been done earlier. Glad somebody at Secret Base got around to noticing

  • @SpencerWiles
    @SpencerWiles 16 годин тому +2

    “Not even Nate Peterman did so.” 😂
    I love this channel. ❤️

  • @LTfisch
    @LTfisch 10 годин тому +2

    15:27 I guessed correctly and he still said I was wrong 😭

  • @femursTibula
    @femursTibula 20 годин тому +3

    It could be argued that if one throws an INT, then the passer wasn't perfect as INTs are mistakes a QB makes

    • @lwandilemsiza8027
      @lwandilemsiza8027 20 годин тому +4

      Perfect is arbitrary when better passing performances are undervalued. That's the whole point. Don't get hung up on perfect.

    • @jdotoz
      @jdotoz 15 годин тому

      ​@@lwandilemsiza8027 The whole thing is arbitrary. Why value yards per attempt over total yards? Why value interception rate the same as completion rate?

    • @chrisconcannon6490
      @chrisconcannon6490 10 годин тому +2

      QBs might always get stuck with the blame for an INT on the stat sheet, but it isn't always their mistake that causes an INT to happen. Plenty of INTs are the fault of other players on the offense, or just the result of a spectacular play by a defender. For example, it's hard to blame a QB for an INT if the receiver he was passing to wasn't where the QB expected him to be because he fell down while the ball was in the air. Similarly, it's hard to blame the QB for an interception on a pass that was thrown where the receiver should have reasonably been expected to catch it, but instead had it bounce off his hands (or face, or chest) and into the hands of the nearest defender.

  • @anonymouse639
    @anonymouse639 21 годину тому +2

    Of course it was a Packers QB

  • @IHJello
    @IHJello 21 годину тому +9

    I saw Lamars outlier in the first video. As a Baltimore native Im excited to watch, but I already sense the negative comments being concocted. Hopefully Im wrong.

    • @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1
      @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 14 годин тому +1

      Honestly that 2019 regular season Lamar genuinely broke the game of football, it was a glitch in the matrix that’s the only way I can explain it

    • @ezekwu
      @ezekwu 11 годин тому

      @@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 it's the greatest qb season ever...

    • @fortynights1513
      @fortynights1513 6 годин тому

      @@ezekwuI’d say there are a few better ones, but for quarterback rushing, 2019 Lamar is the best there’s ever been.

    • @ezekwu
      @ezekwu 2 години тому

      @@fortynights1513 nope, it's by far the best season for a qb...

  • @carsonwilliams5334
    @carsonwilliams5334 21 годину тому +9

    Lamr Jackson

  • @inaijik
    @inaijik 20 годин тому +2

    as a Commanders fan, I must see Daniels’ MNF masterpiece’s REAL qb rating. Is there any way I can calculate it myself?

    • @SecretBaseSBN
      @SecretBaseSBN  20 годин тому +1

      tinyurl.com/mrx9k9cv
      153.2

    • @inaijik
      @inaijik 20 годин тому +1

      ⁠@@SecretBaseSBNIn his third start. thank y’all so much though

  • @4077Disc
    @4077Disc 14 годин тому +1

    16:08 That’s uncalled for. You should apologize.

  • @johngaltline9933
    @johngaltline9933 13 годин тому +1

    Wonder if we'd see more arm punts if people wern't so worried about these stats. Is an INT that puts the opposing offense on their 5 worse than an Incomplete on their 49? The stats tell you it is.

  • @rdaughty306
    @rdaughty306 10 годин тому +1

    As a Bears fan, that QB luck joke cut deep. Great video

  • @Firecracker1195
    @Firecracker1195 19 годин тому +2

    Lamr Jackon

  • @ikku_e
    @ikku_e 20 годин тому +2

    Lamr Jackon

  • @reardenbentley9622
    @reardenbentley9622 20 годин тому +2

    Lamr Jackon

  • @JesseLH88
    @JesseLH88 21 годину тому +2

    I am curious what the justification was for capping the passer rating metric. Was there a reason?
    I am guessing that maybe the idea is that any score above that is due to luck/circumstance that cannot be attributed to skill.
    But that's a guess and i would like to hear from the source.

    • @kevintrueblood1057
      @kevintrueblood1057 21 годину тому +6

      Passer rating was designed in the early 70s based around the statistics of what a "good passing game" looked like at the time. The guardrails are there to avoid the type of outliers that this series is highlighting. They didn't want a game with exceptional accuracy to offset other possible flaws in the performance. The whole point is to normalize and flatten qb stats into something that can be compared in a larger sample size.
      I don't love passer rating, and I think that it was designed around arbitrary numbers from fifty years ago means it's majorly flawed, but a lot of the wonkiness makes sense when you understand that it was made to be a way to boil down a complex set of statistics to be able to do comparisons across teams or years.

    • @fortynights1513
      @fortynights1513 6 годин тому

      @@kevintrueblood1057Also it was designed to be calculated on slide rules.

    • @fortynights1513
      @fortynights1513 6 годин тому

      It was designed to be calculated on a slide rule back then.

  • @Tianlu-j6p
    @Tianlu-j6p 20 годин тому +1

    The only time I’m proud to be from Louisville

  • @neal3489
    @neal3489 21 годину тому +1

    10 seconds in and the cowboys are catching strays, gobless

  • @the6ixman
    @the6ixman 14 годин тому +1

    Wonder where this video idea came from.....

  • @thegamerguys1367
    @thegamerguys1367 20 годин тому +1

    UofL is QBU, all time perfomances

  • @a-part
    @a-part 19 годин тому +1

    Love those graphs. Cheers from patagonia !

  • @liamgibson6949
    @liamgibson6949 20 годин тому +1

    Actually LOLed at the Nathan Peterman reveal

  • @apbrink2023
    @apbrink2023 12 годин тому +1

    GO CARDS BABY!! Don't think anyone could have predicted Lamar & Teddy to have such crazy performances in the NFL and who knows how much more teddy could have done if he never had that knee injury

    • @butterbeantx
      @butterbeantx 7 годин тому

      Man the 2010s NFL would be so different with a consistently healthy Teddy Bridgewater Andrew luck and RG3!

  • @alecjohnson55
    @alecjohnson55 19 годин тому +1

    all my homies hate passer rating

  • @mars7304
    @mars7304 21 годину тому +2

    Lamar has had a FEW games where he's made the QB position look like its the easiest on the field. Hate all you want, he's got time left to get a ring and if he does he is an immediate HOF lock

    • @lwandilemsiza8027
      @lwandilemsiza8027 20 годин тому +5

      Already getting fitted for a jacket

    • @mavhimself
      @mavhimself 20 годин тому +4

      As a Ravens fan, I’ve seen every game Lamar has played in the NFL & the one guarantee we have is that at least 2-3 times a season, Lamar will take over a game & make an NFL defense, some of the best athletes on the planet, look absolutely helpless. The playoff stuff is frustrating, yes, but it’s been a unique pleasure of my football watching life to see this guy play quarterback

    • @mars7304
      @mars7304 19 годин тому +4

      ​@@mavhimself You're right, it's annual tradition at this point for some primetime match up to be turned into a blowout just because Lamar woke up that day feeling different. He'll turn it around in the playoffs, it's not even his fault he hasn't won very much. He'll go for like 400+ yards on his own just for his OL to allow a strip sack or some backup WR to tip a ball in the air for the defense. It's truly just some horrible postseason luck so far.

    • @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1
      @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 14 годин тому +1

      I honestly believe when Lamar is on his game he’s probably the most devastating weapon at QB in NFL history
      It literally becomes glitch in the matrix type stuff

  • @stuffbenlikes
    @stuffbenlikes 20 годин тому +1

    I'm curious about Mike Vick's ridiculous game as the Eagles QB.

  • @protokazyii1743
    @protokazyii1743 20 годин тому +1

    Louisville is the real QBU

  • @vinspad3
    @vinspad3 18 годин тому +1

    Did we already find the best 'seasons' of QB Rating on the previous episode? I can't recall.

    • @fortynights1513
      @fortynights1513 6 годин тому

      That section of the graphic was referenced but not exactly broken down

  • @zym6687
    @zym6687 19 годин тому +2

    Lmr Jcksn

  • @98z76y
    @98z76y 17 годин тому +1

    I love that you're making these, but they should be so much better.
    What's the story that you're trying to tell? What are the ups and downs, the winners and losers, the heroes and villains?
    Jon's video on cowardly punts was truly art, it was compelling even for people who never watch football. He turned the numbers into stories and wrapped them together beautifully. It built towards a climax. There's no payoff here.
    Don't just start with the #1 performance, work up to that. Lamar shouldn't even be mentioned until the the final third of the video. This could have been a story about Johnny Unitas' 50 year run in the top spot and all its challengers. It could have been about the guys who were helped or hurt by the artificial caps most often. It could have been about so many things, and instead its just "the stat is lying to you" repeated 10 times plus a bunch of one-off observations.

    • @samanteater
      @samanteater 10 годин тому

      Not everyone has to be Jon Bois.

  • @Chiggalonkers
    @Chiggalonkers 20 годин тому +5

    Passer rating is one of the worst metrics in all of sports. Thank you for touching on this😂

  • @GoldudeMK
    @GoldudeMK 21 годину тому +18

    Lamr Jackon

  • @OH_MY_DOGGG
    @OH_MY_DOGGG 19 годин тому

    Bradys 2008 performance against Jacksonville was crazy

  • @Jay7682
    @Jay7682 8 годин тому

    It figures that game that Trubisky murdered my Tampa Bay Buccaneers would be mentioned on here... 😩

  • @leaguesmanoframsgate
    @leaguesmanoframsgate 3 години тому

    I mean surely the solution to all this is to refer to the original statistic as Adjusted Passer Rating

  • @Frutfive5
    @Frutfive5 20 годин тому +1

    Does this mean that Lamar Jackson has played the best QB games ever?

    • @mars7304
      @mars7304 19 годин тому +4

      If you look at the list in this video of QBs with the most games with a perfect passer rating, Lamar Jackson has 5. No other active QB has more, and he is still in his 20s. He may end his career with the most perfect passer rating games of all time.

    • @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1
      @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 14 годин тому +1

      Lamar 2019 regular season is the stuff of legends from a pure efficiency pov one of the greatest QB seasons you’ll ever see

    • @samanteater
      @samanteater 10 годин тому

      ​@@mars7304Wait, didn't he say Brock Purdy had six such games?

    • @fortynights1513
      @fortynights1513 6 годин тому

      Some of the best at least for his generation if not all time.

  • @logmouth
    @logmouth 13 годин тому

    Glad the Bears went with Trubisky instead of that overrated hack Mahomes

  • @astrodunkbg
    @astrodunkbg 4 години тому

    how does this effect Lebron's legacy though

  • @RandyHawkeye
    @RandyHawkeye 17 годин тому

    The CJ Stroud / Jordan Love singularity is probably my favorite part of this.

  • @JackGamesTooMuch
    @JackGamesTooMuch 18 годин тому

    This is the definition of PREMIUM Secret Base content. Well played, sir. 👏

  • @user-cw1ht6vc4k
    @user-cw1ht6vc4k 10 годин тому

    2024! “The year were all will be exposed!” Kat Williams ~Here for it 😂😂😂

  • @philipdawson7800
    @philipdawson7800 20 годин тому

    Congratulations to Kyler Murray, who joined these "beyond "perfection"" ranks with his Week 2 performance against the LA Rams, with an actual passer rating of 169,9!!

  • @GhostWriter520
    @GhostWriter520 6 годин тому

    "Some teams get all the quarterback luck"
    To be fair, at least currently, Chicago's problem is that their former lineman GM somehow thinks he doesn't need a competent o-line. Not even a great one, just competent

  • @furioussherman7265
    @furioussherman7265 14 годин тому

    Nah. The greatest QB performances of all time were Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes in 13 Seconds. That game was the NFL equivalent of the Duel of the Fates from Star Wars.

  • @vsauce4678
    @vsauce4678 7 годин тому

    Lamar Jackson consistently out plays on a per game basis every team in the NFL.

  • @onebigadvocado6376
    @onebigadvocado6376 7 годин тому

    7:00 Only a footballer would perform surgery in a lab coat 🤦

  • @eddyg3
    @eddyg3 7 годин тому

    As a Lamar fan and stat nerd, this series is absolutely amazing.
    Can y'all please publish 'accurate' passer ratings on a weekly + yearly basis?
    I would much rather see these true/proper uncapped numbers as opposed to crap like ESPN's subjective/garbage/complex QBR, which doesn't even have Lamar's top game against the Phins in their top 50.

  • @jordanrobinson690
    @jordanrobinson690 11 годин тому

    Does anyone know that the Drew Brees game was that was #1 its year? I'm not sure, but I'm guessing it was around 2009-2011, but i have no clue which game it would've been

  • @TheSoulDivided
    @TheSoulDivided 10 годин тому

    Have us Dolphins fans not suffered enough lol? Why must I relive this

  • @psymar
    @psymar 18 годин тому

    7:30 okay, but you have to deduct 10 points from stroud because he has the unfair advantage of playing the Browns

  • @russellst.martin4255
    @russellst.martin4255 9 годин тому

    As long as you're on the subject of Lamar Jackson and numbers not telling the whole story, just keep in mind the he and Andy Reid are listed at approx the same height and weight.

  • @ATEC101
    @ATEC101 17 годин тому

    How about something that actually means something and not just rehashing the same formula. Quality over quantity. How effective was the QB on scoring drives? How many Dak yards did they get when they don't score?

  • @markjackson6431
    @markjackson6431 17 годин тому

    Rewinder: 2006 Orange Bowl 3OTs
    Beef History: Lindros vs Flyers Organization
    Overlap: Greatest College Football Coach (Saban) and the Greatest NFL Coach (Belichick) coaching in the same division
    Beef History: Michael Jordan and Isiah Thomas
    Beef History: Phil Jackson and Pat Riley
    Untitled: Reggie Miller
    Untitled: Barry Sanders
    Untitled: Carl Yastrzemski
    Untitled: Ted Williams
    Untitled: Jim Kelly
    Collapse: Early 90s Bills
    Collapse: 1987-2000 Seminoles
    Rewinder: 2012 Olympic 100m Men’s Final
    Rewinder: The Catch By Willie
    Rewinder: Wide Right I, Wide Right II
    Rewinder: Hank Aaron and Barry Bonds breaking the respective HR record(s)
    Untitled: Don Nelson

  • @bryanjones4444
    @bryanjones4444 14 годин тому

    I have done a 2,000 plus hour study on all the Hal of Famers and Hall of Famers to be that started their careers after 1947 and my first thought when I saw what he was exploring is that Drew Brees would be the most screwed quarterback by the NFL's so called perfection. Great job on this.

  • @hamiltonblake1129
    @hamiltonblake1129 12 годин тому

    I can kiiiiinda understand that the artificial interception threshold is there, how can the passer have a “perfect game” if they threw a pick? BUT overall stupid system, their real scores should be calculated, and if they threw a pick then it wouldn’t be perfect🤷‍♂️

  • @thepokemaster6474
    @thepokemaster6474 4 години тому

    Btw people want you to believe that Lamar can’t pass and is a RB

  • @seriomarkj
    @seriomarkj 14 годин тому

    The ending was more painful than it needed to be!!!! As a bears fan we are in hell!!! Please be good caleb!!

  • @anth9845
    @anth9845 12 годин тому

    This is such a random fight to pick I love you Secret Base.

  • @AceTrainerBGC
    @AceTrainerBGC 4 години тому

    So are we gonna get to see you dissect that 1/15 Allen game or are you just gonna tease us with it in the top right hand corner all highlighted?